Focusrite RedNOTNet vs Trinnov LaRemote | What WERE They Thinking?!
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- Since moving to an all-digital signal workflow, we've discovered just how DIFFICULT it is to turn the damn signal down! Could this be the answer?
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I use the R1 and a Red16Line at one of the studios I work at, and along with x2 A16R's, only having 12 controllable channels is a joke and so insanely frustrating that I resonate so much with this video :D
Glad it’s not just us!😂
I must confess that I am a Focusrite fanboy and have relied on several of their interfaces. As someone who recently invested in a Red 16 Line and R1 controller for my overdub and now Atmos studio, I absolutely love it. The big caveat that I am avoiding however, is that my setup only 7.1.4. It seems that many interfaces out there are being designed for nothing greater than 7.1.4 such at the Red16Line and the Apogee Symphony I/O, which I believe also only supports up to 12 controllable outputs (could be wrong tho) . Hopefully manufacturers including Focusrite wake up and give us the projects that we are asking for, and make systems over 12 channels easier to set up.
We’ve loved Focusrite for the longest time as well, but this really doesn’t make sense. Call it the RED R1 for starters, and with almost every converter chip available offering a channel count in a multiple of 8, 12 channels of control is just plain stupid. It doesn’t matter if the end user only wants 7.1.4, if you’re selling a 16 channel interface then sell a 16 channel controller to back it up!
I really wish MOTU would come out with a solution for their AVB line. Or at least give the ability to control all analog outputs from the 1 monitor dial on the 828es
That talk-back mic is such a nice touch
That focusrite line up ... ??!! If anyone at focusrite sees this comment, I have a GCSE in maths if you're hiring! Glad you guys have found a monitoring solution though, just need to save up my pennies now
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Very informative video, thank you so much for this!
Gotts love Trinnov's cca 2002 Sony-Ericsson blueish monochrome display and resolution (with the added bonus of the 2019 China Bluetooth device font). Ergonomics, mhm.
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I was looking at this earlier and I felt severely mislead by the surround sound room photo showing more than 12 speakers.
I am in a small room so RedNet with only 12 speakers so it's still a consideration for me.
Interesting review. Just wondering if you have heard of graphics tablets being used on Pro tools? I use one for video editing and would also like to use it in my audio daw.
The trinnov units are amazing. My st2 changed my professional life. The La Remote is insanely overpriced. An elgato stream deck is a more complex device with more buttons, a bigger display and ultimately just a usb interface for application specific macros. The la remote volume knob is an excellent piece of ergonomic design but it's still about 3x what it should cost if it shouldn't have been bundled with their products anyway.
Also, the display looks cheap....
I wish I had seen this video earlier. I just bought an RedNet A16R Dante to finally find out it is not controllable by a RedNet R1 Dante :-) So I then bought a Red 16Line to finally find out that it is not controllable either by the RedNet R1 Dante, except if you connect it through Thunderbolt :-( Then I learned taht most of the PC motherboards are not compatible with Thunderbolt. Conclusion: The R1 Dante only device, doesn't control any RedNet Dante only devices, it controls only a few thunderbolt devices. And me too I would love to sit one day at a Focusrite design team meeting. Anyway the 12 channels are enough for my 7.1.4 but why waste the other 4? And like someone else said it here, I am pretty sure the Allen & Heath SQ5 can do it all or even better.
My solution was to use an Allen and Heath SQ 5 mixing desk as a switching/control matrix with an iPad as remote control, made presets for all variations and switched between, basically a 64 in 32 out pristine 96k digital routing with all the extra input/output options you have as a mixing desk and all the onboard options to, and all for about €5000 at the time……Dante card is also an option as well as most other options
Or you can switch to cubase/Nuendo and not use a monitor controller and use all the built in monitor controls which rival the best mixing boards in the world (while using the Focusrite interface). with inserts on all monitor paths through the Daw(even hardware) and all controllable with any midi controller. I use a native instruments x1 which allows me to control everything in my monitor section. (used about $100) couple this with the metric a/b vst plugin ($29 on sale) and cubase's huge meter solutions you could save tens of thousands of dollars and never leave the digital domain.
Maybe it is time to revisit my first DAW. It has been 20 years though....
Can you control everything in cubase's control room feature from your ipad with the cubase remote?
@@WarrenPostma I don't have the cubase ic pro app but I am very familiar with it. And yes some of the features could be assigned that are toggled based features buttons. And it does allow you to set cue levels for headphone mixes. But some of the more advanced features found in the control room would really be better suited for a midi controller to be assigned to. With that said there are some great midi controller apps for tablets. I use one called touch daw. Now with that one you can build your own interface... but I will warn ya, its a lot of work. Honestly if you have the room find a good midi controller that's hardware. You can find some small ones cheap, and those are easy to assign everything in the monitor section. I used the Native Instruments x1 mk2 (its a dj controller) its built like a tank and comes with software to edit parameters.
I'm not using a totally digital workflow, but I really love using my Apollo Twin Mk II as a monitor controller (I'm using an Apollo x8p as my main interface and the twin as satellite).
Since my monitors are purely analog ATC SCM25 MkIIs, I don't see the need for a Larry. But I do want to replace SoundID Reference with a Trinnov Nova at some point soon.
Please answer this: How does attenuating audio levels digitally not affect the audio resolution? Sorry if it's a dumb question, but I just don't see how you could not loose the least significant bits when lowering the bit depth, unless the entire chain is 64 bits, but it's 24 or 32 bits max in Dante for example, so HOW does a digital fader in a digital 24 bit chain doesn't make your music 8 bittish when you turn Larry down????????????
Very useful and super funny 😂
going back to your realphones video, what headphone and software do you use presently?
James here - I don’t use headphones full stop!
Mark maybe uses them for referencing masters occasionally but no software. Just straight from the interface
If all you require is to collect all the outputs together and lower their volumes simultaneously... my local Cantonese take-away does a ‘DIM SUM’ with free soy sauce, if you order for two before 5pm weekdays.
When they suggested you have Floppy painted... did they mean have a portrait done for over the fireplace..?
This is a 10/10 comment 😂😂😂
This is slightly unrelated but I'm considering a Trinnov unit (Nova) but don't want to spend £900~ on the remote. I have been using SoundID Reference so far and love being able to control the volume via my keyboard volume keys. Is there a way that I would be able to do this once I have the Trinnov?
In a word, no! Although you can use the free Trinnov Remote app on a phone, tablet or computer, so if you can patch in a bit of software to control the +/- mouse clicks then it should be doable. You might even be able to set up a Loupedeck or something similar to do that.
worst thing about RedNet R1 is you actually can't even control Line16 with it (directly), because it cannot operate without RedNetControl software running on the Mac (because Windows isn't supported either with their Line16 interface)
They seemed to have truly dropped the ball with the R1!
@@PresentDayProduction it's really pity though, because R1 itself is very nice unit, well built - and I don't think any company makes Dante monitor controller to begin with...
The Focusrite bit was flabbergasting. Not that I have any grutch with that company and I hope that the developers are facepalming themselves right now.
Did they use a trinnov when they mixed Aja ? I thought not
The main question is how on earth did you get the red16line?!? I work at a uni and we’ve had one on order for over 2 years! Supply issues are mental for the red devices.
We didn’t!
I was going to get La Remote, but I think I’ll stick with my RME ARC-USB that came with my interface fo free
their newer interfaces have been kinda crappy, but otherwise, I'd agree with Focusrite as a choice; I have recently regretted that mindset, and a replacement DAC had _less_ channels, at the same price, and same name as the older device I was replacing. I wanted USB-C out of it as was advertised, but .. their answer to being USB-C was they gave me a USB-A-to-C cable... much disappointment.
You are not a technophobe, you are someone who depends on their system to make a living! Keeping it simple is the only way you can make sure that it works most of the time and the few it doesn't it's an easy fix. Trinnov, as always, comes to the rescue!
Just got the st2 pro with the remote and i can say that i agree with everything said here. It is a very expensive volume knob. The screen is absolute shit and the fact that i cannot customize the remote “because i have a low end trinnov(7000euro)” is absolute bullshit. That said i cannot part with it because of the fantastic feeling knob. But thanks guys for confirming my frustration 😂
A cheap audio routing option everyone seems to ignore is having active monitors with Dante input on the back plate amp , and then just using Dante virtual soundcard software ($50) and routing everything over ethernet with a cheap switch and just setting up the audio channels directly in DAW and applying any system eq on the master channel using your favourite vst. No sound card, no controller, no processor/dsp needed and skips all of the unnecessary audio conversion steps in-between too.
It doesn’t work directly from DVS to Trinnov - we have asked as this was an idea we also had :(
Couldn't you have used the volume control on the front of the 16Line? That's what I do...
Not when it’s metres away in a rack - which is where the R1 comes in. If only it would control all the channels 🤷🏻♂️
How about reviewing Merging Technologies solutions
We chat regularly with Paul, the distributor for Trinnov and Merging, and may cover Merging kit in the future!
The Trinnov input and output meters seem almost pointless without having some sort of scale. Seems like it could be an easy update (unless there is another mode that adds a scale to them?)
There’s a display with scale on the actual Trinnov monitor screen output / remote software
This is my warm-up comment.
Video 10/10
Cheers dude!
simple cheap professional solution: RME HDSPe AES with ARC USB Remote (and/or controlled with free TotalMix Remote app on iPad) :)
The (La) Remote... I wish it was able to change the phase or reverse the polarity.
Yes, I’d love that. And a mono button!
@@PresentDayProduction Have you asked the manufacturer if the screen really is this shit? Sometimes they install the polarizers on these LCD screens wrong or insert them rotated 90 degrees and it can lead to really dim and unreadable mono LCD displays.
just plug the Larry into a usb hub with power switches so you can turn it off. Its what I do with my Vmix midi controllers.
You guys need to make a video about how to Iron Mark's shirt 😂
I haven’t ironed a shirt since 1998. Usually the fat takes care of removing the creases, but not today 😉
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Focusrite hit you guys with the ole not enough hotdog buns LMAO
Am I the only one who doesn't understand why when you have two digital boxes talking to each other instead of just one that you connect to your monitoring speakers, why this is better than just having all your monitors fed direct by the audio interface? Is it about the length of the speaker cables? Is the reason because Trinnov takes over the duties of powering your unpowered high end studio monitors and having a lot of delay compensation features in a central box?
No, it’s because it’s a ridiculous unnecessary expense, thanks to the Trinnov being unable to interface directly with a DAW! Hopefully the new Nova will address that as it talks to a Mac using Dante Virtual Soundcard.
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I recently got a knob myself…
Package of 8 hot dogs and a package of 12 hotdog buns?
Why 12..... Just WHY! 😆
Focusrite must be joking... 😂
LaRemote seems to be the obvious solution for anyone using a Trinnov system, but that screen really is hideous considering that small OLED modules can be had for less than 5€...
Goodness that Mac Laptop was old 😳
Am I going deaf or their voices are plenty muffled? NR (too) much? :)
It sounded clear enough here - definitely zero noise reduction being used! But thanks for the comment :)
@@PresentDayProduction Must be me then. :)
Why does it seem like such simple solutions escapes our industry so often. This is such a nessasarry thing that every interface should come with. A simple usb volume controller that allows mute of individual outputs.
You’re right, it DOES need to exist with every interface! When we build our own…
All because of bloody Atmos!
The R1 is just a remote controller, you can still use all 16 channels of the Red 16Line and routing with the RedNet Control software for Atmos. You also imply that Focsusrite customer support is not as good, but in reality every question I've thrown at them has been replied to quickly. Also, GroundControl Sphere is ONLY for Mac. And how many studios are using Red 16Line for Dolby Atmos? Oh, yeah a lot. Is the R1 a required remote controller? No. All I see here is a highly biased and misinformative review.
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YOUR AUDIO IS TOO LOUD!!!!
Use your damn mouse AND the DAW. People love to over complicate things and in a studio environment you have enough time for the millisecond it will take you to click the volume faders. I don’t get this channel anymore.
There are times in which you need a volume control when there aren’t any faders, and it’s much easier to have a physical knob than to mess around with whatever’s on screen. If something comes out dangerously loud, what’s quicker? Going to whichever program is faster and sodding around trying to find the master fader… or just turn the single physical volume knob
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Real engineers hate mice 🐭.
They’re imprecise, and inefficient for quick or precise level control. A circular dial is much more intuitive, than clicking and dragging around a screen to quickly change the volume.
I think it depends on your background. Younger people tend to work faster with a mouse. James here - I hate using control surfaces. I work much faster with a mouse as I grew up gaming on my PC, so my reflexes are faster and more precise with a mouse. I own hardware but NEVER EVER use it. It’s just slower for me.
James dials in his compressor whilst shouting call outs in his headset like it's Tarkov