@@jacobrayner3378 Well it is a console. So of course your controls are garbage. What do you console-peasants expect? Accurate control with a Controller? Ha! Also what is complicated with research? You literally just have to click on the tank you want to research next. Well maybe for console peasants with 70 IQ it is complicated...
They executed it perfectly. Nearly nonexistent effort put in and still get a decent chunk of whales pumping their life blood into Gaijin's bank account every day
hedgehog3180 Americans: Everything the Germans have is OP. Plz nerf. Germans: yo these hardcore game mechanics are bullsh!t. I need more ammo. And shoes.
Schuyler Kandarian The ammo is actually true. They got 30mm. Low ammo count. The Americans on the other hand are performing no where near the real things.
Maps are literally ice rinks now, even for my spaded CR2. Guess fixing their shit map design was too difficult. They could have just put out of bounds zones in the camping spots.....
Mark Lund Gaijin: Ok since everyone hates getting killed we’re gonna remove cannons, machine guns, ATGM’s, missiles, bombs, rockets and other weapons This is probably how it would be handled
Honestly I think the main frustrating mechanic they should nerf is repair cost, it's not fun whatsoever to be forced to pay money to so much as play the game in the first place, I get they need money, but holy shit the extreme repair costs have made so many people straight up quit war thunder.
@@mekhane.broken9678 Still bullshit because the game's supposed to be fair. And if the enemy player gets a shot on me - it's my fault and he better gets that kill!
@Reverend Krieger Durden Tyler sr Ah yes protecting what is theirs because they had it in their domain for 50 years so it clearly belongs to them. Forget the 1200 years of Croatian, Bosnian, and the other states existence. While we are at it lets also forget that in the first 3 to 4 years Serbia had the support of the entire world behind them and they still managed to screw it up, the 4th largest land army in Europe (at that time), lost a war against guys and girls with sandals, sticks and a couple of smuggled AKs.
@Reverend Krieger Durden Tyler sr Bosniaks murdered their neighbors? How about Vukovar and other major Croatian cities when literal Serbian neighbors started killing their Croatian neighbors. You are focusing way too much on the Bosnian part of my comment forgetting about Croatia and the other states that suffered through the war. And I'm not simping for NATO, I'm not that stupid. And about the illicit things through Europe, Bosnia and Serbia are the two major countries when it comes to smuggling drugs or people to Europe they are equally guilty of creating a route for smuggling. Croatia isn't exempt from smuggling for example Split is known to be one of the major cities in which drug trade is prevalent.
@@neoncro7457 Macedonia, MNE and half of Bosnian territory were Serbian lands long before Yugoslavia existed mate.. Hence many of the places there still carry Serbian names, of course that changed by the decade when Turks occupied the Balkans, gotta point that out. Yugoslavia was profitable only to those who later on separated (which is in their right, fully, nobody should dispute that). Serbia lost everything with the formation and breakup of fucking YU. The biggest loss? We lost our identity which was systematically destroyed over time in favor of "Yugoslavs", whatever the fuck that meant. We literally gained *nothing* at all. Others gained countries, lol. Tensions were very high before the formation of Yugoslavia and Serbia was the only country that was independent at the time of its formation and the one with the most established identity, yet we were the ones who were pushing for it the most. CIA even stated that (not paraphrasing, its verbatim) in their (now declassified, I read that in their online archives) reports that they were dumbfounded as to why we were so keen on destroying our own heritage for the sake of some fabricated unity with others. Titoism and its idiotic politics were cancerous to the Balkans. At least that's what I think. We're still carrying the consequences of it on our backs. We all made some terrible crimes during the war(s) and it's in my honest opinion that anyone who targets a civilian deserves swift justice. Nobody should deny their crimes nor celebrate them. That goes for all factions here. Let's not forget any crimes or turn a blind eye to them (and there are plenty, you, in example, conveniently excluded Croatian mass murders and their huge concentration camps during WW2 as well), let's hope that people admit them and ask for forgiveness. Don't pick a fucking side, there can be no sides to massacring civilians, there's only good and bad. You may call me slightly biased as I am a Serb indeed but I'd happily strangle some so-called Serbs which committed war crimes in Bosnia. I'm just asking that you do the same. And let's not forget the Brits involvement here during the 40s, Yugoslavia was their fucking idea and served their interest at the time. Btw, the breakup was predetermined long ago, that same CIA report I mentioned laid out the details as to how it'd play out when the USSR collapses, and that report was from late 60s if I remember :)
@@neoncro7457 Laying bastard you neglect to say who started the war - unilaterally proclaiming independence and crying out loud for anyone (yes, the NATO) to come and fight for him? Please tell me who was on the side of Serbs and how? Serbs didn't seek anyone's help, on the contrary - everyone mind their own business!
It's also cause developers don't know the problems of their own game. I've worked on mmos and triple a games, I can tell you I didn't finish working my 60 hours+ a week working on a game to go home and play that shit in my off time.
True the devs at gaijin should play in lower tier matches and see what is happening because the Unbalanced nature of the game where pros can go back to lower tier, beat the s**t out of noobs. This make noobs quit playing the game. I believe gaijin just need to make it easier and less of a grind to get to top tier vehicles.
@@TAWMUD How to fix that. Ticket count, not vehicle count. Arcade should have a ticket bleed based on number of flags captured etc etc with unlimited spawns. Three deaths and done is ludicrous because it will undoubtedly piss the player off. Spawns are also an issue. I've actually got a spawn in domination that is a bottleneck leading into a fucking bowl. We couldn't leave our spawn because it was designed that way, like, wtf were they thinking?
They could still hire a handful of people just to report the problems they face on a particular vehicle/br/in general. Ofc relying on say 100 people's opinion won't always do good but it would solve many balance issues that remain for years because of blindly following the statistic.
@@TAWMUD Yeah, I go back to low tier to absolutely decimate noobs all the time, not because I would rather be a god among rats instead of challenge myself, but because I literally can't afford my rebuy cost without premium.
Charles Courtwright no i get that, i can do that too, i am not bad or salty at the game. I just simply dont enjoy it anymore. i bought the preorder pack on xbox, yet i dont rven get 4 decals as standard. US gets 0 captured tanks, everyone else shares tanks like they are free. Japan gets way cooler trucks and even an artillery tank before the us. I just get frustrated and don’t really have fun grinding out another tree when there sre less frustrating and more fun games to play.
Gainin always have been a shady company. They just did a better job of hiding just how bad they were in the past and atleast somewhat attempted to pretend they cared about anything other than milking people for every penny they could. Now it seems they've just completely stopped caring what players think of them.
Their just choking their own throat it'll only be matter of time that one wrong move from gaijin like adding another tier or making the game worse kill their own game and so I want that to happen just so they learn their lesson about listening to the community sometime
i love how this game just turned from a cool f2p game to a torture machine, i get so frustrated when trying to play that sometimes i just open the game look at the tech tree and immediately quit, its just better to use my time for anything else than to play this game, and the best thing about the toxic community that gayjin created its that it not only affects the game experience but also the players mental health as well as the contents creators one like orange who just quitted because of that. and probably the devs as well since they have to endure all the rage and anger from those frustrated players. ( if they give a fuck about us).
I doubt they give a shit, they just want our money. I've spend 40 bucks on 1 year of premium so far. Honestly, unless they change (which they never have) after the premium wears out I'll probably lose interest in the game because of the grind (which is already to much with premium, how do non premium peasants even enjoy it lmao). It would be so easy for them to make a good game and improve it, their playerbase literally tells them and shows them by UA-cam videos how they can make the game better. But they don't care. If anyone has hope in them changing they are stupid. They don't want you to have fun, they want you to give them money. Tough for me the most frustration comes from getting a shit team and not because of the difficulties the mechanics present themselves... I don't mind losing but being top 3 while the team is dead after 10 minutes and the enemy has all players still in is just sad. Most don't use chat or map callous. Everyone plays for themselves. No teamwork. These are the only reasons I see that one can lose really hard in the game.
@@chas1878 most reason for they to not play as a team is because the game dont give you anything for helping your team, in the end everyone knows that if you dont kill at least 5 enemys the matchs gonna be useless so everyone rushes and dies in a infinity cycle, and yeah when your premium account end just don't even bother to login into the game, i just stopped for a whole year basically after mine ended.
1400 hours and barely making it to 8.7. Complete waste of time except the event and squad vehicles lol. I basically just came back this time around for the tiger
the baron damage as in if your in spawn you shoot someone still in the 11 seconds spawn protection that damage you would of done gets done to your vehicle..maps are pretty small to begin with not to mention they removed the timed destruction feature while in enemy spawn. it doesn’t solve the problem being pinged in the map as nobody cares anyway.
Das Sandwitch ya you spawn in a open field facing the opposite direction. You might see him on the map but making out his location in his cover all the while he has seen you already positioned himself for maximum survival 11 seconds is all you got lol
Yeah thats right fuck it, I got the Canadian horrible leo 1 and the fucking unplayable F11 that certainly will cost 30k SL per match.... It worth all my mental health and my time
Late respawn but, a couple of my friends run 1 tank no respawns now because it's more enjoyable for them. (Or sometimes 1 tank and then a bomber or some other planes) If they get into a rough uptier, or a match where the enemy team is significantly better than them they're out of the match sooner rather than being stuck in it. Queue times are so low that it barely matters.
Man PVE modes are ridiculous. When then first began, they seemed like a decent way to get out of the stock hell, such is what I did with the F-100 and M1IP iirc. However its really just a gamemode slapped together by the developers and died quickly. All the enemies have aimbot, such that when in an aircraft, your engine will just die to a single round, or you will be pilot sniped, making it a regular thing to spawn in a new aircraft after shooting down 1 or 2 enemies. As for the artillery which spawns in with air PVE, its ridiculous, it drains health extremely fast, people have to fly miles to get to it, people have to drop altitude to get to them, and also people wont have the loadout for it. Onto ground PVE, its even worse. Aimbot comes in the form of taking out your barrel every damn second, or ofc and insta kill to the ammo rack. Also having enemies come from all different directions really prevents anyone from finding cover so its just spawn, probably get a shot off, and die. Rinse and repeat. Another major issue is that it doesnt scale well at all. Im sure Gaijin intended for there to be 15 people in a match, so they put around 45 or so tanks per wave. Thats great and all, until you get into a match with 6 other people, of which 2 of them are using SPAA, then you have 5 people defending 4 sides from endless waves of aimbot enemies. Also the rewards are awful, only when you win will you get decent RP and SL gains, who gives a fuck about the booster. If you lose however, you get basically nothing.
Yeop. Two opposing ideologies. On one hand, the majority saying "Fix your damn game already. It's been too many years". And on the other hand the minority saying "Give us more so we can have our favorite planes/tanks". Given who the general wallet warriors are, it's clear to see who Gaijin listens to
@@Registered_Simp they're only opposed through the way Gaijin's shitty pay-to-actually-have-fun model twists things. You can have more content that won't take years to access, other games do, but Gaijin sucks money from the latter stipulation. The grind issue is honestly worse here than I've seen in any game, and I've played Warframe. Making it so progressing through a tree isn't agony is *not* diametrically opposed to expanding the tree.
I wouldn't mind having 2-4 fresh unique vehicle per update with major game mechanic changes. [Tbh I wouldn't mind getting a great war era vehicles, it should be more fun] Instead they gave us "ctrl + c & ctrl + v" vehicle especially with the tonghao vehicles. It would be nice if they would changes how the match making work so that WW2 era vehicle wouldn't fight a Cold war era vehicle, and make the match making more realistic [I've had several games where the match making is actually good and realistic and tbh it is much more fun that way]. Also my problems with the tonghao are that their vehicles makes people go blind in sim battle, and wouldn't you hate it when you have to fight the same plane as yours in an air RB? It is not a "realistic" battle if you have 2-4 same plane as your team with an increased stats so people would play them [Im serious, check the vehicles stats on the tonghao's tech tree and you'll notice that they're slightly increased than their original counterpart. Huge example is the KI-61] This isn't me trying to tell gaijin to fix their game, it is more like me letting my frustration out here, sorry.
partial correction. Community: The grind is long and hard. Community: Make the grind less frustrating, while adding new content and actually balance the game. Gaijin: Releases premium pack of wanted vehicles, fucking balance and making free variants inferior by significant amount by comparison, and blame community for not knowing what they want.
A couple months ago I made a montage where I killed countless tigers and tiger 2s in the Easy Eight, but now I can't even get any kills with it because there aren't any tigers to be found, just bush covered spawn camping RU 251s and cheesy premium German aircraft also camping spawn. It's "Cheese or be Cheesed" and it's so annoying. I want to fight bigger scarier historical tanks in a tank I love to play in long range engagements or brawls in destroyed cities, where it is a battle of wits and skills, not ridiculous pixel hunting a ridge line outside of spawn to see if you can catch a glimpse of the 6 RU 251s or 5 M18s that aren't even letting you play the game. I really love warthunder, but I can't keep playing it. It always had horrendous issues, but Gaijin and the community have gone too far to the point where I can't even have fun anymore.
As a Tiger 1 and Panther main I also hate M18s But yeah, I think it'd be alot funner if we faced the vehicles we realistically would of instead of "hurr durr get cold war tank to the face" As someone on the opposite side, I hope to see you in the fields and cities, and may we have a fair fight when that happens.
i love it when people quote Phly, despite the fact that he constantly panders to the community, pretending to be on their side with core game issues, when in reality he's a shill who doesn't want to risk anything by actually encouraging his viewerbase to stop giving gaijin money/boycotting the game
@@commondognut this. Like when i play a sluggish and slow tank like the T29 on fields of poland, i drive 5 minutes only to get killed out of nowhere. No compensation for my time loss or effort to hold W for 5 minutes.
And the new gen maps don't do anything to help solve that problem,you can literally cap a point and take potshot into the other team spawn and prevent them from retaking the point
Random rant about tank videogames: I never played this game, but I literally only wanted this game in singleplayer, since there's no other singleplayer that lets you drive a lot of tanks in battles. I don't want to deal with microtransactions, excessive grinding, shitty internet disconnecting me, people too good at the game beating my noob ass, people shit talking me, or any of the other bullshit online multiplayers have. Why no company around has the decency of making Battlefield 1 and 3's tank missions into a full-fledge game I have no idea.
ARMA 3 should be on your radar then. To make the experience worthwhile joining a clan isn't necessary but it is a lot better to have a tank crew that actually thinks instead of having to be spoonfed. Some clans offer simple PvE scenarios, others a mix, so you should try it out. The downside is that ARMA 3 is a bit expensive (with all the DLC like tanks and marksman, etc , etc).
I remember times before we got the Chinese tree. "OMG Gaijin, just release it already for the rest of the world!" And when they did release it the community started crying even louder because "OMG! COPYPASTE TREE!!!" You people literally asked for it knowing well what's inside! The hell did you expect?!
The one thing I was always advocating for when I played War Thunder was infinite spawns. I honestly believe that would've helped alleviate a lot of problems. Being able to play all the way to the end of a match would mean more RP/SL, helping with the grind. It's also less time spent in loading screens, and more time playing. Constant flow of reinforcements means an ongoing battle that will require playing the objectives to win. This also helps with spawn camping to a degree. As it gives the defending team a chance to rid themselves of the camper(s). The 2017 April Fool's event was proof of concept for this. We had infinite spawns and everyone had fun. Granted, it was the first introduction of modern tanks/helicopters. Which was the driving force behind everyones enjoyment. But being able to just keep playing, I think, was huge. I never saw any complaints during that event, and people were even begging for Gaijin to keep it.
That would give an ufair advantage based on topbr of the game to certain nations, for example I play Russia and germany, If I got into a 5.3 topbr match I would have 8 tanks to use at least while my italian and german enemies would have 3 good ones max and then would have to use lower br vehicles if they even had them in their lineup.
I still stand by my belief that balance beyond early cold war is impossible, now even more so with your comment about player nationalism with high tier MBTs. No matter what happens, no matter how it's balanced, one part of the community is going to get mad, get very loud about it, get it changed in their favor, and then get some other part of the community mad only for the cycle to continue in perpetuum. low to mid tier will always be the best.
GOD!!!! I been seeing a spat of those asshats the last two weeks, you got a good spot of cover and are taking out a few opponents... your scope view shakes around, you pan out to see what the eff is going on, and here is some dinky light tank trying to squeeze his way in... it's the only time I wish there was a teamkill option you can use and get away with.
@@dimwittedfool Yes that is what we need, 1 free team kill an hour to vent the frustration at those idiots. I'm tired of ranting in chat those assholes need to uninstall and go play Mario Cart or GTA5 with the 10 year olds and this not bumper cars with tanks even in AB. So many times i got taken out because some dickhead blocks my view, pushes me from behind cover.
@@gilibran im just saying, this might cause even worse problems than good, could you imagine the chaos that could happen just because you are allowed to do a singular team kill?
I had one match it was conquest American desert cap over at the train station, gas station spawn for our team. I spawn in the Russian moon rover and some dumb-ass leopard 1 decided to stop right in front of me so obviously I ended up running straight into him which pissed him off enough to constantly ram me for the entirety of the match. (Which lasted about three and we lost super hard)
There's two types, world of tanks if you wanna enjoy gameplay, there's steel beasts if you wanna go around to all world of tanks videos on UA-cam telling people how world of tanks is unrealistic
I refused to continue playing after my 3rd match in this year's summer event. As much as i want the new vehicles, i won't allow myself to go through that level of stress. College already gives my daily dosage of it. Also, making a game frustrating in it's nature isn't a shot into the devs own foot? By making players mad about numerous things, won't make them think rationally. Things will end badly, no doubt about it.
Same here, while I do have to agree that Gaijin messes a lot of things up (and i think thats still an understatement). The Game is still fun and if you just try and learn about tanks and your opponents then you can just avoid balancing issues and other stuff. I got good at the game even without paying even a single bit into the game and got to around rank 4-5 in 4 different nations until i then got myself premium to speed things up and support gaijin. Honestly yes they are doing mistakes but I feel like thats just a common theme these days. Battlefield 5, CoD and basically any other game company has balancing issues, way too many glitches and they are all way too greedy for money. Considering that war thunder is f2p its a quite good game and I'm having a blast playing it. (Also still better than WoT I have lost all hope in that game)
I can raise my hand on few of the things - I quit the game due to grind problems and that I wouldn't spend a single coin on this game. It made me quite mad during grinding XP - not even counting events, when you were unable to play on certain rank (T-34-85(D-5T) ahem.). Also would myself toxic sometimes, thats also why I pretty much rage quitted and uninstalled this game - and I'm up to date only with devblogs and few youtubers.
I might quit too because I want the mig-9 and doing the maths alone just to get it and not the whole grind just to get to tier v. Average of 500 points a match and a match takes around 7 minutes and 96000 total points to get so . ..1334 minutes (22 hours)like come on. Who's got time for that sh*t. That doesn't count for the time to grind out tier 1 to 4 and buying those planes because game mechanics (you know if you play.) That price is also way to expensive (300,000 just to get it and another 90,000 to train the pilots)and make me bankrupt before I get it. Getting to attomic age of flying is impossible (jet powered airplanes usually at tier v or tier lV) unless 💵💵💵(1920 golden eagles )
What I did was just unlock what I liked and played that. I have almost all of some of the tech trees unlocked but I wont buy more. Once you past tier 3 imo the game just becomes dumb across the board
When everyone starts to attack me for bringing out the idea of "When up tiered but I have the vehicles of that tier let me use them." On war thunder form, I stopped posting my views on there and starting to play less and less of WT.
And people think that only fix half the problem "what happens to those new players then?", but hear this, they just need to que up the lower tier, granted it will be slower to grind playing as lower tier but its safe, or if you want to be chanlenged you just que up with what you have.
Vinn Kia,...I see merit to your idea. However, I live in Fantasy Land and like my solution better: "the highest BR in the player's lineup is the BR they are queued for. The BR is the BR, no uptier, no downtier and you'll just have to deal with the extra 1 to 5 minutes of time it takes for the matchmaker to find enough players of that BR for a battle."
In the last couple of weeks I have made it a point to start each match with 'Good luck and have fun everyone =)' in all chat (or something similar). That is to try and remind everyone, including myself, that we are playing a game with each other, and even though it is a war game, we are not actually enemies. It helps stabilize a good mood in myself, and in most cases other players will chime in, giving the matches a more amicable atmosphere. I would encourage everyone to try something like this =)
that's actually a good advice. Giving a simple "GLHF" can shield you from frustation in game and even when someone answer back nicely, it can even improve your whole day
yeah 10 sec later you kill a spawnkampfwagen and 10 more seconds later he comes back i na G91 and you barely left fucking spawn brilliant FUN AND ENGAGING EXPERIENCE
I say good luck to all my teammates whenever I start a match of World of Warships. I find great joy in being replied to by GLHF and an array of ship horns/celebratory gunfire. It raises team morale!
Funnily enough, I made the argument that Gaijin intentionally makes the game frustrating to boost sales during a stream of another WT youtuber whom I shall not name, and they said that I must just suck at the game because "It's so easy to earn xp and SL in this game".
In my total of 8 years playing War Thunder, i have seen some good and bad changes. Although i do not agree with the HEAT-FS change for all top tier tank, i can see it from gaijin's perspective. They make a free game for all to enjoy, but they've got to make money somehow, if it were too easy, why would you purchase GE and or premium/premium vehicles. Anyways, my point is; This HEAT-FS change has been made to annoy players to an extent to kind of force players into buying GE. Which is a short term solution. And this has become a trend with gaijin. They only change things to make money in the short term, but definitely not in the long term. And i definitely agree with the points you brought up spookston. The community is sour. But so are gaijin's ways of implementing these frustrating changes. And in my personal opinion, the best way to deal with this is just to either accept it, or to get in contact with gaijin and make some points about the entire ordeal, but do keep it friendly. Otherwise gaijin will most likely not do anything with it. So please to anyone reading this ginormous comment, be nice to gaijin, and maybe they'll be nice to us as a playerbase. And i can almost assure all of you, that if we are more positive and more constructive in our critisizms, it'll help us in the long run. Thank you for reading! Hope you have a nice day.
That's not the way the snail's mind works. If the community steps down asking for friendly requests the snail will crap on them and feel arrogant and be even worse than it is now.
well regardless of how frustrating the game can get , i'm not paying anymore until i see everything fixed and i mean EVERYTHING revengekilling, stock APFSDS, no more night maps, ghost shells , retarded hitboxed and so on
Gaijin has only ever reacted positively when there was a huge backlash, i.e. FPE & Parts. Protests are the only viable way of communicating with the top brass of this company.
i wish war thunder focused more on Low tier tanks, mainly in the WW2 era. All of their advertizements show T-80s, Abrams, Leopards etc. When a player sees those ads and starts playing the game, he just gets a LVT, Panzer 38t, T-26, and it makes them less motivated to play
I heard that a game called "Enlisted" is being developed for a while thats just basically war thunder with infantry.. Just hope that one doesn't become hell.
Another problem is probably the language and nation barrier. War Thunder is a Russian made game. However, many of the most popular War Thunder channels and a LOT of criticism, constructive or not, is in English. I can't imagine everyone in the WT dev team or office speaks, reads, or can write English - and who can expect them to? Problems have to cross the language barrier to get fixed, and some might get lost in translation entirely.
The first step of being a game dev is to know how to speak english. You cannot do codes or progress in the job without english which is fundamental. It's a basic requirement for game devs to have some english basis. In France it's pretty much the case to access those types of schools...
I'm not sure how true it is for WT, but I know for Wargaming games, the Russian playerbase is just as equally annoyed as the English-speaking sphere when it comes to absolutely mindless things the developers do. There might be a language barrier, who knows, but there's an audience that doesn't have that problem, and they're ordinary players just like us.
Great summary of the issue! These videos you do really sum up the reasons I hardly ever play WT, even Armoured Warfare (the half-dead WoT knockoff) is more fun IMO. WT has so much potential, but I just can't enjoy a game so frustrating to play.
"It's the players fault for taking the bait..." Well, it's not the players who are in charge of the game. "If you plant a seed in poisonous soil, don't be surprised that everything dies..." There is always a reason why the community behaves the way it does: It's because they're not listened to and every further negative change will just enrage them even more because there's already a slew of issues that have not been addressed for so damn long, can you really blame the community? (I'm not talking about deliberate trolls) Gaijin created the frustration and the environment, they ARE responsible for what goes on in the community. They are in charge of their game. It's common sense. And what do we, as a community have to combat it? Well, we either bitterly accept it or stop playing. Negative with negative. In the end, everyone loses.. You say: "Don't take the bait" What bait? We don't have a say in the matter, all that is thrust upon us, it's not optional... Create a positive change, do something good for the players for once and not the statistics or the wallet, and then people will slowly warm up to you Gaijin. You planet those seeds in a poisonous soil, now don't cry about it and call everyone toxic because YOU planted those friggin seeds. Not us!
Wargaming actually fixes bugs, i have not had a ghost shell in that game in 4 years, unlike in WT as i had just today 2 ghost shells. Thats where it ends for wargaming tho
Naurava_Pottu Peruna i’ve been having connectivity issues with world of tanks recently, i’m getting a smooth 20 mb/s speed and WoT just starts getting laggy. Doesn’t happen for me in War thunder though
@@AveragePootis That argument makes no sense. War Thunder is a drastically more complex game, also the game engines are different and since for the most part we're not programmers we have no clue how easy or hard it is to change things. Wargaming maybe fixes bugs but they just cannot balance the game. World of Tanks suffers from ridiculous powercreep. WT powercreep is nonexistent compared to WoT. Who gives a shit about some silly little bug when the whole game is unplayable.
What makes me angry is, they announced the stock heat fs and then 1 week later they post devblog of t72 with full K-5 armor, its pure BS for milking money
04:11 For me events like Operation Suffer are like hearing the Purge siren, all rules of engagement are turned off for the period of the event. So i pick the most cancerous combo of Radkampfwagen 90 and G91 R/3 (and im a good player) and annoy the hell of the enemy team. like on the map Tunisia spawn on the Southeast side spawn set your gun on 1100 meters and drive just a couple of meters on the beach and voila you can shoot at all enemy that spawn in the north east immediatly. so i make 5 spawnkills at the beginning of the match usually then someone reacts finally and kills me and i cna spawn in my G91 so in less then a minute match time i have 5 kills and im allready in a awesome CAS jet and probably 3 out 5 killed guys did go back to hangar so the enemy has already less players then my team. With the G91i usually with 4 missiles i make 4 kills (when papa stalin doesn't makes magic protection for Russian tanks again) and so normally a match for me ends with 15 - 20 kills and a random number of assists.
that's so cancer the air spawn on some maps is right above the battlefield and jets can be in effective range in seconds some other cretin i killed in his spawnkampfwagen tried to kill me with a G91 missile ~12 seconds after he died good thing i noticed that and Jed out right before impact this sort of thing needs to be removed or a separate tank only gamemode should be added in to prevent triggered cretins for pretty much wasting other people's (already pretty wasted playing warhtunder) time
Every battle I say "gl gf everyone" so many times have I received "f*ck you" and worse, just for wishing everyone good luck. To me the largest part of what makes the game sometimes unenjoyable is the community.
@@sampanyofella5832i didnt experience that sort of thing before, but i believe you.. many times i got friendlies that are behind me not wanting to help me and letting the enemy kill me and then they steal kill it.. Community is toxic af i rarely encounter a friendly player.
Zaidan Mujahid dont blame gaijin on everything ffs. If you are narrow minded to a point where you think everything is gaijin’s fault, you may as well be one of those people saying fuck to a nice message.
Good feedback can also be destructive to the game. There could be glaring issues and good feedback will basically hide those issues that need to be addressed.
The whole HEATpocalypse thing came from a good feedback ironically, the community want Gaijin to at least give inferior kinetic shells for tanks that has HEAT at stock and no other rounds (granted on tanks that has and used them once, like Leo 2A4, 2A5) until they reach their high tier kinetic which varies usually at Rank IV and V modules (which mind you, will cost around 100k RP to get there), this isn't hard to implement nor breaks the game as much as it already is (since there are already a bunch of vehicles that got it on stock) and it turns out to be making everybody uses HEAT as stock. Rubbing the salt to the wound by adding the late T-72B series which has pretty much great Chemical munition protection. I'm not saying the community isn't at fault, but Gaijin took a metal bat and slammed it on our balls on this move, I would be ok if matchmaking of top tier tanks are mixed like planes, but they usually favor EU vs US/UK/JP or Axis vs Allies which pretty much make the game can be pretty one sided with how Gaijin decides to balance thing using Rock, Paper, Scissor logic
Oh please stop with your idiotic rambling. Surely the community was like this from the day 1, right? Didnt think so. Number and number of bad, half-assed money grabbing decisions have led to this very "toxic" community to be what it is today. I just dont understand people who defend gaijin. What i do know is, those gaijin supporters are the ones to spend money on the game. Because money solves everything bad this game has. And there is a lot of bad in this game. Thus, they do not care for what gaijin does. Good or bad? What does it matter, Dont be mad. Pay the coin to make it all better.
WoT community just makes fin of all the problems and in that sense, WG Is More friendly and can make fun of his mistakes too, Also they are trying to solve the problems. WT community Is on fire 24/7 and blame you if you like any other tanks game (specially WoT) instead of the "superior" game.
That's why I take 2-5 month breaks from the game at a time. Ill get into it, grind whatever event is up at that time, or grind whatever tank/nation I'm playing as, finish, and be burnt out until another 2-5 months later. The only caveat is Summer and Winter events, which I will grind almost every time.
Everyone has a love-hate relationship with War Thunder. Some people like me really enjoy it sometimes but other times I just find it stupid and annoying. Usually I just play a few games and the second something happens to me that is downright stupid I exit the game.
I had a gander on the WT forum, and I wanted to see if people would like to see the FV215 project implemented into the game since its a relitavely iconic tank from the 50s and a fascinating project. Someone turned around and slandered me for even raising this question. He then told me I should just go play World of Tanks instead. Never been on any of Gajins forums again after that.
@Reverend Krieger Durden Tyler sr Look, I've stopped playing for plenty of reason and so called Revenge Kills or CAS are not the issue. There are way more important issue at stake: -Paying a HUGE amount of SL in repair when you are killed, -the grind to get from pre WW2 era of tank or plane to post era of tank or Planes. -Balance issues in vehicles and maps, -not rewarding helpfull player (repairing an allied tank or spotting with a light tank) -Points being divided unequally when you capture a point. -Helicopters being unplayable except if you take the premium ones. -KillCam And I might be forgetting more reasons. And I think it will tie with what you said. What is enfuriating about CAS is paying SL because someone took a plane and killed you just because you got him in his tank. No loose of SL and you wouldn't be that salty about it. Also the whole concept of killcam is dumb. You shouldn't have a killcam. You want to see who got you: look at the replay. CAS wouldn't be half as enfuriating to play against if people would not have kill cam.
Anyone else miss the old days during the beta when the grind was more or less nation level up for unlocking the next tier of aircraft and tanks. Also back when the player base was semi competent on what they ware doing and they did not ignore a map pings of potential enemies and not drive straight line it to a point and get shot from their flanks.
The ads are also misleading I thought I'd be able to get straight to using modern tanks for free and shit but gayjin said "nah fuck you and go through an extremely painful grind unless you give us money"
I wake up at an absurdly early hour in the morning,working incredibly long day at work, and when I come home I can't be bothered to deal with the frustrations of the game. So, Gaijin makes money off my premium time and purchasing of premium tanks, and the occasional gold purchase for a unique camo, or decorative item, and I just enjoy the game for what it is: Tank yeets big stabby boi at 2.7km and makes enemy tank kaboom. Even with all of my premium benefits, the game is still incredibly infuriating at times.
@@SuperMistral99 I'll have to calculate the monetary input for my X years of premium, all the premium vehicles I've purchased, and the hours of gameplay (at my state's minimum wage, plus income tax) and I'll get back to you on that. :)
Toxic, not caring for people below their skill level, "Skill issue, get better", telling everyone to be a master or stop playing... My experience with 90% of WT Players
Hit the nail squarely on the head, I was going to leave a long comment here but realized 3/4ths of the way through it that I was just reiterating your points.
When a youtube video about a free-to-play game causes me to reflect on my own behavior, you know something has to be wrong with either the game or the person. In this case it's a heaping pile of both.
When I started playing war thunder, I grinded as far down as the mighty BT-7 and i was getting into games with 76 and 105mm gun shermans, what the hell am I supposed to do? And how am I supposed to enjoy it? Wt, after 3 years of waiting for it to come to Xbox, was a massive disappointment
To be honest, they should not be surprised that the community dislike them: they base the core of their game on frustration. And on top of that, the "it s realistic" argument isn t really there anymore with the amount of errors they let in. So, we got a game that is neither fun neither realistic.... Where they expecting praise from such a product?
Can i just say as an Australian player who finds it difficult to get a server with less than 260 ping... (and by difficult i mean 95 times out of 100, it's 260ms ping or higher. The lowest we see here in Australia is 150-160ms) A lot of the frustration can definitely come down to the servers being absolute crap. They claim that most of the checks are client side but if that were the case, you would shoot and even if the other person shot at the same time, your round would still register on the server, and i think we all know from experience that just isn't true. #GhostShellsNeverDie Playing at 260ms ping is by far the worst handicap i've had in any game and it's so frustrating. Not only do some shells just never register, but when you aim at a weak point and shoot, the server doesn't register it (because client side checks don't actually exist) and your shell has now hit a completely different spot on the tank you were aiming at. A lot of American and European players may not have, or may never experience this sort of thing due to the local servers, but trust me, it's there. Pile on top of that, teammates who are also frustrated or just straight up don't care about playing for the team or winning because they just want to grind for themselves... The entire experience of what the game COULD be, goes right out the window and you are just sitting in your own salt. Coming from World of Tanks, i was genuinely excited about War Thunder for it's realism and physics/hit systems. However even on World of Tanks they have servers that work. Client side checks that actually register shots fired as you die. Anyone who says it's not possible or it's too difficult is just lying to themselves. TL;DR - If Gaijin actually cared about their game and their community, there would be a lot of small fixes made that would make a HUGE difference for the games entertainment level.
@@siftervinnie2inNFS Completely agree. They either need to make PvE Viable for grinding, or fix the servers for those of us that have no choice but to play at over 200ms ping.
It was Always problem And always will be. If you say that type 90 is underperforming and Gaijin buffs it then other nation players Will be angry that they buffed it and on.
WT players: "Gaijin please decompress the BRs" Also WT players: "Gaijin put the Panther D at 5.3! My 5.3 lineup is incomplete without it!" I did not make that up btw, I have seen a ton of people complaining that the Panther D is not 5.3 with their only argument being that they want it for their 5.3 lineup. Thx wehraboos for killing this already broken game. I love constantly getting into germany vs germany battles because nobody wants to play the other nations which at this point all suffer.
I mean this is kinda two sided convo man ... They had to give a meaning to panther D because it had no positive side at 5.7. Uptier suffering problems never gonna be solved in this game
@@TheBoneKing that way of thinking is exactly the problem. The M4A1, M26, M4A3E2, M4A3E2 (76), M47, M42 M1, IPM1 and many more tanks are all useless because ether they just suck at their BR or there is something even better at that BR. But do you see U.S. players complain about it? I personaly have not (except for maybe the M4A3E2). If those tanks get a lower BR they will ruin the game for everyone, meanwhile if they stay at their BR they will just not get played. Stop being idiots and start actualy trying to push for balance. Yes the Panther D is worse then the Panther A BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT SHOULD BE AT THE SAME BR AS THE M4A2 (76) OR THE COMET!!! This is exactly why wehraboos are hated in WT right now. They just seem to not know what balance is or how to achive it.
@@conordevery2306 When was the last time a U.S. tank got a lower BR? When was the last time a british tank got a lower BR? Meanwhile look at the list of german tanks which got lowerd in BR in the last months, many of them for no reason what so ever other then because germany players wanted them to be lowerd in BR.
What is un sportsman like in WT? I mean its war, you either die or you don't. It's obvious people will try to kill the enemy the easiest way possible. Maybe someone can explain? Cuz the only thing I can think of is the low tier truck rush to cap a point and then spawn a plane. Like that is the only un sportsman thing I can think of in this game.
I always burned down inside my Soviet bomber Pe-8 40-60 seconds after i respawn, by a goddamn spawnkiller BF-109 K-4, in a frikkin 4.0 battle rating. Really a war thunder experience
Sir Spookston, Do you know of a clip of A13s driving through brick buildings? I've been trying to find this clip and I believe i might have been in one of your wonderful videos. Could you help me find it?
Living in a cave doesn't solve the issue. Besides, to find good feedback they have to shift through seemingly endless hordes of shit, it's 2020 after all... The best solution is to block out as much community as possible and instead seek out people who love the game and want to help improving it for advice etc
I honestly forgot this game existed til about a week ago when UA-cam decided to recommend me a war thunder vidoe out of the blue. I'm somewhat amazed, impressed and yet disappointed to find out this game is still alive. It was bad enough for being a grindy, frustrating mess back in years gone by, but now with all that stuff added and seemingly nothing done to help the player along... Damn you guys are masochists at this point lads.
“I noticed this looking at 343i” Of course, what better company to look to for poor community feedback than a company that has done not one good thing and a host of negative things over a decade
4:30-4:37 OOH this looks really fammiliar to me... From 40% to 60% of problems thruought history happend on this kinda way, and one of best examples is WWII and Yugoslav Civil War. Just study the core of them and you will realise it is this problem of "making the atmosphere hostile and other tooking the bait". Is really mankind doomed to not learn from mistakes?
Hey Spookston Can you do a vid on why do people like you keep coming back to WarThunder Ash did a vid but he didn't really get to the point Anyway keep up the good work
AManNamed2 nah, if you remotely like tanks or military aircraft there isn’t another combined arms game like this one. It’s frustrating, it’s toxic, but the vehicles are cool and grinding your favourite tank or jet out is incredibly appealing, as miserable as the journey may be. This is coming from someone who has German ground, and air maxed out, along with soviet ground as well. I’ll play the game and get the vehicles I’m interested in, then stop playing until some more get added. As an example, I haven’t played since getting the Mig-21MF and T-72B, but I plan on coming back to grind the new T-72B3 coming in the next update, then I’ll stop playing again. Until another game very similar in concept comes, with modern jets and tanks with semi realism, warthunder will retain a player base.
True there's just like only few good ww2 military vehicles game in the market that are in right balance of simulator and arcade, the other spectrum are just way to arcade and the other half just way too simulator and complicated and hard to get into. Also WT haben both air, naval and ground vehicles in one game. Tldr: love hate relationship with war vehicles
I had someone hate private message me because I was afk for a little bit. This guy was mad very upset. I've noticed the community is becoming very toxic.
i've been saying this for years now... top tier is toxic. sure, it's fun when you're doing well... but at the expense of other players fun. PhlyDaily addressed this some years ago with the (rough) quote: "someone else has to- to not have fun, for me to have fun." now, that's not the player's fault. add the stresses of the game economy, well... you get the picture. the common response to this is, and has been, "git gud". well, that by definition, is toxic. it will endlessly frustrate the player, and it has done so since the dawn of PvP gameplay.
"The only wining move is not to play" - every WarThunder veteran at some point
Took me only 348h to realize that. Now I'm free.
@@kajetanmyszkiewicz8178 Just hit over 1000 hours and still playing. Help
rookie numbers!
@@willitgoalltheway if on Steam just click properties and uninstall. Simple as that.
Them good ol' days. I miss the 2017 armor meta. Baron, slick and phly putting on the House camo for their Maus. Maus House
There are two kinds of War Thunder players :
- Those who like it
- Those who play it
Underrated comment
This game is like hardcore CBT
@@El_Presidente_5337
But with extra kicks on the nuts
I would play it on console but the research is too complicated and the controls are garbage
@@jacobrayner3378 Well it is a console. So of course your controls are garbage. What do you console-peasants expect? Accurate control with a Controller? Ha!
Also what is complicated with research? You literally just have to click on the tank you want to research next.
Well maybe for console peasants with 70 IQ it is complicated...
Age old thing with Warthunder, amazing potential. Terrible execution
Bo said it best "gaijin did all the hard things right" *i think it was bo
Yes! I think much of the reason why players are mad is because they see this amazing game, but it's not
If it wasn't a hard enough grind to get the maus back in the day MBT's are almost impossible.
@@americantacos7618 both of you summed it up. I have a lot of love for the game still.
They executed it perfectly. Nearly nonexistent effort put in and still get a decent chunk of whales pumping their life blood into Gaijin's bank account every day
I can swear that I saw the title and read "If the war thunder's community was historically accurate"
For fucks sake mate i cant fucking stop gigeling about you comment because its frucking hillarious and somewhat funny
Imagine WWII soldiers talking about the war like it was a game.
hedgehog3180
Americans: Everything the Germans have is OP. Plz nerf.
Germans: yo these hardcore game mechanics are bullsh!t. I need more ammo. And shoes.
Schuyler Kandarian The ammo is actually true. They got 30mm. Low ammo count. The Americans on the other hand are performing no where near the real things.
Lol
The "reducing traction" solution was typical idiotic gaijin work, i literally drifted my SU-85 in RB up the hills
That thing is so weird on slopes now. I mean, everything is bad, but the Su-85 seems to want to slide up hills when you try to traverse the hull
Ew you use the Su-85
I kid, kinda, it’s not your fault it’s so good
@@looinrims hm? You trying to say its op? Well its not and im using it to get SU 152, as i have nothing better to grind as my friend is still at 5.7
Man, now that explains how I Deja Vu'd on a slope with my BMP. It was kinda funny tho'.
Maps are literally ice rinks now, even for my spaded CR2. Guess fixing their shit map design was too difficult. They could have just put out of bounds zones in the camping spots.....
The only solution to this state of affairs is a reduction in frustrating mechanics, no other fix will address the core issue.
Mark Lund
Gaijin: Ok since everyone hates getting killed we’re gonna remove cannons, machine guns, ATGM’s, missiles, bombs, rockets and other weapons
This is probably how it would be handled
The community is so frustrated from gaijins apathy and bullshit they’ve become this terrible toxic mess
Honestly I think the main frustrating mechanic they should nerf is repair cost, it's not fun whatsoever to be forced to pay money to so much as play the game in the first place, I get they need money, but holy shit the extreme repair costs have made so many people straight up quit war thunder.
Problem: frustrating mechanics IS the core of WT's business model. And I highly doubt that will change.
@@smithofr3054 *Ramming kills it is then*
I'm still getting ghost shells every 5th match or so..
Cyan just get better internet
I mean.. when is a good time, really?
@@PorWik Pretty sure my internet is not the problem with a ping of 30 and below.
@@mekhane.broken9678 Still bullshit because the game's supposed to be fair. And if the enemy player gets a shot on me - it's my fault and he better gets that kill!
Me too. And bouncing derpgunshots all of my beloved derps
The WarThunder community is like Yugoslavia just after Tito
More like the Russian Revolution/Civil war
@Reverend Krieger Durden Tyler sr Ah yes protecting what is theirs because they had it in their domain for 50 years so it clearly belongs to them. Forget the 1200 years of Croatian, Bosnian, and the other states existence. While we are at it lets also forget that in the first 3 to 4 years Serbia had the support of the entire world behind them and they still managed to screw it up, the 4th largest land army in Europe (at that time), lost a war against guys and girls with sandals, sticks and a couple of smuggled AKs.
@Reverend Krieger Durden Tyler sr Bosniaks murdered their neighbors? How about Vukovar and other major Croatian cities when literal Serbian neighbors started killing their Croatian neighbors. You are focusing way too much on the Bosnian part of my comment forgetting about Croatia and the other states that suffered through the war. And I'm not simping for NATO, I'm not that stupid. And about the illicit things through Europe, Bosnia and Serbia are the two major countries when it comes to smuggling drugs or people to Europe they are equally guilty of creating a route for smuggling. Croatia isn't exempt from smuggling for example Split is known to be one of the major cities in which drug trade is prevalent.
@@neoncro7457 Macedonia, MNE and half of Bosnian territory were Serbian lands long before Yugoslavia existed mate.. Hence many of the places there still carry Serbian names, of course that changed by the decade when Turks occupied the Balkans, gotta point that out. Yugoslavia was profitable only to those who later on separated (which is in their right, fully, nobody should dispute that). Serbia lost everything with the formation and breakup of fucking YU. The biggest loss? We lost our identity which was systematically destroyed over time in favor of "Yugoslavs", whatever the fuck that meant. We literally gained *nothing* at all. Others gained countries, lol. Tensions were very high before the formation of Yugoslavia and Serbia was the only country that was independent at the time of its formation and the one with the most established identity, yet we were the ones who were pushing for it the most. CIA even stated that (not paraphrasing, its verbatim) in their (now declassified, I read that in their online archives) reports that they were dumbfounded as to why we were so keen on destroying our own heritage for the sake of some fabricated unity with others. Titoism and its idiotic politics were cancerous to the Balkans. At least that's what I think. We're still carrying the consequences of it on our backs. We all made some terrible crimes during the war(s) and it's in my honest opinion that anyone who targets a civilian deserves swift justice. Nobody should deny their crimes nor celebrate them. That goes for all factions here. Let's not forget any crimes or turn a blind eye to them (and there are plenty, you, in example, conveniently excluded Croatian mass murders and their huge concentration camps during WW2 as well), let's hope that people admit them and ask for forgiveness. Don't pick a fucking side, there can be no sides to massacring civilians, there's only good and bad. You may call me slightly biased as I am a Serb indeed but I'd happily strangle some so-called Serbs which committed war crimes in Bosnia. I'm just asking that you do the same. And let's not forget the Brits involvement here during the 40s, Yugoslavia was their fucking idea and served their interest at the time. Btw, the breakup was predetermined long ago, that same CIA report I mentioned laid out the details as to how it'd play out when the USSR collapses, and that report was from late 60s if I remember :)
@@neoncro7457
Laying bastard you neglect to say who started the war - unilaterally proclaiming independence and crying out loud for anyone (yes, the NATO) to come and fight for him?
Please tell me who was on the side of Serbs and how? Serbs didn't seek anyone's help, on the contrary - everyone mind their own business!
Gaijin: Build every game mechanic aroud frustration
Community:insults devs and complains all the time
Gaijin: *suprised pickachu face*
but it is free to play, so be happy
@@thesheepcreepproduction4964 and so is fortnite, should I think fortnite is good because its free? because thats what you're implying.
@@thesheepcreepproduction4964 Then why not play WoT?
@@shadosnake Gunner, HEAT, PC! is coming.
@@shadosnake same
The worst is getting rammed by a teammate when you have a shot lined up reloading in a casemate
I literally was playing a match of WT while watching this video, and got rammed 3 times INTO combat, killing me. Very frustrating
just finished a game and saw a spg rammed into sideways, I almost didn't pulled the trigger to kill him...so sorry for him
@@alanyang18 You're a good man.
My main 2 mistakes back then:
1. I helped the enemy
2. I tried to make friends with the enemy
I know that is not right but I tried to make it right.
Or when they go right in front right before you shoot and they kill the target instantly
It's also cause developers don't know the problems of their own game. I've worked on mmos and triple a games, I can tell you I didn't finish working my 60 hours+ a week working on a game to go home and play that shit in my off time.
True the devs at gaijin should play in lower tier matches and see what is happening because the Unbalanced nature of the game where pros can go back to lower tier, beat the s**t out of noobs. This make noobs quit playing the game. I believe gaijin just need to make it easier and less of a grind to get to top tier vehicles.
@@TAWMUD
How to fix that.
Ticket count, not vehicle count.
Arcade should have a ticket bleed based on number of flags captured etc etc with unlimited spawns.
Three deaths and done is ludicrous because it will undoubtedly piss the player off.
Spawns are also an issue.
I've actually got a spawn in domination that is a bottleneck leading into a fucking bowl.
We couldn't leave our spawn because it was designed that way, like, wtf were they thinking?
They could still hire a handful of people just to report the problems they face on a particular vehicle/br/in general. Ofc relying on say 100 people's opinion won't always do good but it would solve many balance issues that remain for years because of blindly following the statistic.
@@TAWMUD Yeah, I go back to low tier to absolutely decimate noobs all the time, not because I would rather be a god among rats instead of challenge myself, but because I literally can't afford my rebuy cost without premium.
Aidan Dixon that fine no issue with that
The WT devs need to start new accounts and try to grind their way to the top again
Lmao, they'll give up after 2 months once they hit 5.0
The grind is hella long (even before the MBT's even existed)
I heard that they only load APCR, is that true? Well if they are good luck.
@@thatsidewaysdud7623 dev power
@@thatsidewaysdud7623 they'll add APHECR rounds only for devs because 'sekrit dokumnts'
gaijin always fixes everything in a satisfying way
but they make it satisfying the *gaijin* way
War Thunder ? TOXIC GAME and TOXIC community-STAY AWAY protect your mental health .
Honestly i think it is both tragic and pathetic that they resort to a frustration model for the game, its actually the reason i stopped playing.
I just play sim, with above average awareness i can get 3 kills and 2-3k rp and 20k+ sl easily, no premium vehicle or time
Charles Courtwright no i get that, i can do that too, i am not bad or salty at the game.
I just simply dont enjoy it anymore.
i bought the preorder pack on xbox, yet i dont rven get 4 decals as standard. US gets 0 captured tanks, everyone else shares tanks like they are free. Japan gets way cooler trucks and even an artillery tank before the us.
I just get frustrated and don’t really have fun grinding out another tree when there sre less frustrating and more fun games to play.
Gainin always have been a shady company. They just did a better job of hiding just how bad they were in the past and atleast somewhat attempted to pretend they cared about anything other than milking people for every penny they could. Now it seems they've just completely stopped caring what players think of them.
Their just choking their own throat it'll only be matter of time that one wrong move from gaijin like adding another tier or making the game worse kill their own game and so I want that to happen just so they learn their lesson about listening to the community sometime
i love how this game just turned from a cool f2p game to a torture machine, i get so frustrated when trying to play that sometimes i just open the game look at the tech tree and immediately quit, its just better to use my time for anything else than to play this game, and the best thing about the toxic community that gayjin created its that it not only affects the game experience but also the players mental health as well as the contents creators one like orange who just quitted because of that. and probably the devs as well since they have to endure all the rage and anger from those frustrated players. ( if they give a fuck about us).
Mixed signals.
One dev quit cause of the death threats.
I doubt they give a shit, they just want our money. I've spend 40 bucks on 1 year of premium so far. Honestly, unless they change (which they never have) after the premium wears out I'll probably lose interest in the game because of the grind (which is already to much with premium, how do non premium peasants even enjoy it lmao).
It would be so easy for them to make a good game and improve it, their playerbase literally tells them and shows them by UA-cam videos how they can make the game better. But they don't care. If anyone has hope in them changing they are stupid. They don't want you to have fun, they want you to give them money.
Tough for me the most frustration comes from getting a shit team and not because of the difficulties the mechanics present themselves... I don't mind losing but being top 3 while the team is dead after 10 minutes and the enemy has all players still in is just sad. Most don't use chat or map callous. Everyone plays for themselves. No teamwork.
These are the only reasons I see that one can lose really hard in the game.
@@chas1878 most reason for they to not play as a team is because the game dont give you anything for helping your team, in the end everyone knows that if you dont kill at least 5 enemys the matchs gonna be useless so everyone rushes and dies in a infinity cycle, and yeah when your premium account end just don't even bother to login into the game, i just stopped for a whole year basically after mine ended.
@@teddly2277 Never heard of this incident, can you elaborate?
@Deo Lakshmana I don't know why warthunder youtuber like phydaily have fun, with so many kills and have fun with the game
Me who is still in the lower tiers (3.7-4.7 br) after 2 years: I don’t see the problem here.
Oh you will when you get to 5.3+
Believe me
@@hklassehutten1476 *Cries in just wanting to Sherman Sherman Sherman Sherman Sherman at 5.0 to 5.7*
Nearly have 1000 hour my highest tier is 7.7 and im at 5.3 at air man this is taking so much time
I cant personally contribute to this. But considering i just got the wirbel at 3.7 im not looking forward to 6.0 and up
1400 hours and barely making it to 8.7. Complete waste of time except the event and squad vehicles lol. I basically just came back this time around for the tiger
All I've ever wanted from gaijin was maps that don't have wide open spawns where you can get killed before even having time to react
Be nice if they added damage to someone if they shoot you still under spawn protection.
the baron damage as in if your in spawn you shoot someone still in the 11 seconds spawn protection that damage you would of done gets done to your vehicle..maps are pretty small to begin with not to mention they removed the timed destruction feature while in enemy spawn. it doesn’t solve the problem being pinged in the map as nobody cares anyway.
My favourite maps are those which have houses on hills behind your spawn area which only serve for spawn campers as cover.
Das Sandwitch ya you spawn in a open field facing the opposite direction. You might see him on the map but making out his location in his cover all the while he has seen you already positioned himself for maximum survival 11 seconds is all you got lol
Realistically in most irl engagements the first guy to go never saw it coming either
Operation summer be like: half my team has 1 tank no respawns
@Jaden Yuen Ho Tao wargaming games have much different grinding system. In war thunder it would be impossible to grind that way.
I think WOT frontline respawn system maybe could work get respawns by waiting and shorten waiting by spotting , kills and assists
Having 1 tank and no respawns is really annoying
Yeah thats right fuck it, I got the Canadian horrible leo 1 and the fucking unplayable F11 that certainly will cost 30k SL per match.... It worth all my mental health and my time
Late respawn but,
a couple of my friends run 1 tank no respawns now because it's more enjoyable for them. (Or sometimes 1 tank and then a bomber or some other planes)
If they get into a rough uptier, or a match where the enemy team is significantly better than them they're out of the match sooner rather than being stuck in it. Queue times are so low that it barely matters.
Gaijin：Free Heat-fs for everyone
players： Fine, let's play PVE to grind modifications
Gaijin: Cool! We changed PVE maps and made it harder to play
Yes komrade
Did they really do that?
PVE is nigh impossible, bots shoot with laser precision, you have almost no cover, and enemies spawn EVERYWHERE
@@nahuelleandroarroyo you forgot the atrocious AI Plane Strikes that is soo accurate with rockets even from very far ranges...
Man PVE modes are ridiculous. When then first began, they seemed like a decent way to get out of the stock hell, such is what I did with the F-100 and M1IP iirc. However its really just a gamemode slapped together by the developers and died quickly. All the enemies have aimbot, such that when in an aircraft, your engine will just die to a single round, or you will be pilot sniped, making it a regular thing to spawn in a new aircraft after shooting down 1 or 2 enemies. As for the artillery which spawns in with air PVE, its ridiculous, it drains health extremely fast, people have to fly miles to get to it, people have to drop altitude to get to them, and also people wont have the loadout for it. Onto ground PVE, its even worse. Aimbot comes in the form of taking out your barrel every damn second, or ofc and insta kill to the ammo rack. Also having enemies come from all different directions really prevents anyone from finding cover so its just spawn, probably get a shot off, and die. Rinse and repeat. Another major issue is that it doesnt scale well at all. Im sure Gaijin intended for there to be 15 people in a match, so they put around 45 or so tanks per wave. Thats great and all, until you get into a match with 6 other people, of which 2 of them are using SPAA, then you have 5 people defending 4 sides from endless waves of aimbot enemies.
Also the rewards are awful, only when you win will you get decent RP and SL gains, who gives a fuck about the booster. If you lose however, you get basically nothing.
Community : The grind is long and hard
Community : Add the F-14 damn it
Yeop. Two opposing ideologies. On one hand, the majority saying "Fix your damn game already. It's been too many years". And on the other hand the minority saying "Give us more so we can have our favorite planes/tanks". Given who the general wallet warriors are, it's clear to see who Gaijin listens to
@@Registered_Simp they're only opposed through the way Gaijin's shitty pay-to-actually-have-fun model twists things. You can have more content that won't take years to access, other games do, but Gaijin sucks money from the latter stipulation. The grind issue is honestly worse here than I've seen in any game, and I've played Warframe. Making it so progressing through a tree isn't agony is *not* diametrically opposed to expanding the tree.
I wouldn't mind having 2-4 fresh unique vehicle per update with major game mechanic changes. [Tbh I wouldn't mind getting a great war era vehicles, it should be more fun]
Instead they gave us
"ctrl + c & ctrl + v" vehicle especially with the tonghao vehicles. It would be nice if they would changes how the match making work so that WW2 era vehicle wouldn't fight a Cold war era vehicle, and make the match making more realistic [I've had several games where the match making is actually good and realistic and tbh it is much more fun that way].
Also my problems with the tonghao are that their vehicles makes people go blind in sim battle, and wouldn't you hate it when you have to fight the same plane as yours in an air RB? It is not a "realistic" battle if you have 2-4 same plane as your team with an increased stats so people would play them [Im serious, check the vehicles stats on the tonghao's tech tree and you'll notice that they're slightly increased than their original counterpart. Huge example is the KI-61]
This isn't me trying to tell gaijin to fix their game, it is more like me letting my frustration out here, sorry.
partial correction.
Community: The grind is long and hard.
Community: Make the grind less frustrating, while adding new content and actually balance the game.
Gaijin: Releases premium pack of wanted vehicles, fucking balance and making free variants inferior by significant amount by comparison, and blame community for not knowing what they want.
Yup
A couple months ago I made a montage where I killed countless tigers and tiger 2s in the Easy Eight, but now I can't even get any kills with it because there aren't any tigers to be found, just bush covered spawn camping RU 251s and cheesy premium German aircraft also camping spawn. It's "Cheese or be Cheesed" and it's so annoying. I want to fight bigger scarier historical tanks in a tank I love to play in long range engagements or brawls in destroyed cities, where it is a battle of wits and skills, not ridiculous pixel hunting a ridge line outside of spawn to see if you can catch a glimpse of the 6 RU 251s or 5 M18s that aren't even letting you play the game. I really love warthunder, but I can't keep playing it. It always had horrendous issues, but Gaijin and the community have gone too far to the point where I can't even have fun anymore.
As a Tiger 1 and Panther main I also hate M18s
But yeah, I think it'd be alot funner if we faced the vehicles we realistically would of instead of "hurr durr get cold war tank to the face"
As someone on the opposite side, I hope to see you in the fields and cities, and may we have a fair fight when that happens.
War thunder "Its almost fun"
i love it when people quote Phly, despite the fact that he constantly panders to the community, pretending to be on their side with core game issues, when in reality he's a shill who doesn't want to risk anything by actually encouraging his viewerbase to stop giving gaijin money/boycotting the game
@@davidboy45 what do you expect? He gets sponsored by them and everytime someone spends money on the game he gets a portion of the money
davidboy45 you say this like he’s politician or something
@@davidboy45 bruh he build his channel with his wt video
@@Ake-TL I say it like he's talked about getting shit done with war thunder before, only for him to shill more and more.
The community literally complained that they cannot spawncamp.
Honestly not surprising. The game promotes a pissed off, self centered play style.
Oddly enough,I think large maps would mitigate spawn camping because you'll have more room to maneuver to counteract the spawn campers
VK 72.01 K then you run into driving for 5 minutes just to get 1shot from out of nowhere
@@commondognut this. Like when i play a sluggish and slow tank like the T29 on fields of poland, i drive 5 minutes only to get killed out of nowhere. No compensation for my time loss or effort to hold W for 5 minutes.
And the new gen maps don't do anything to help solve that problem,you can literally cap a point and take potshot into the other team spawn and prevent them from retaking the point
"We fixed invisible balloons."
ahahahah
didn't even notice that happened but they were invisible yesterday XD
I never seen them invisible because everyone just shoots em at the start of a game.
Random rant about tank videogames:
I never played this game, but I literally only wanted this game in singleplayer, since there's no other singleplayer that lets you drive a lot of tanks in battles.
I don't want to deal with microtransactions, excessive grinding, shitty internet disconnecting me, people too good at the game beating my noob ass, people shit talking me, or any of the other bullshit online multiplayers have. Why no company around has the decency of making Battlefield 1 and 3's tank missions into a full-fledge game I have no idea.
The Entire Halo saga has plenty of tank missions and lots of vehicle sections, granted, it's Sci-Fi and not real vehicles, but it's something
Try Project Reality, you might like it.
@Schrodinger_1488 Too bad you can't play 90% of them without having said vehicles, and that 60% of them are glitchy messes
ARMA 3 should be on your radar then. To make the experience worthwhile joining a clan isn't necessary but it is a lot better to have a tank crew that actually thinks instead of having to be spoonfed. Some clans offer simple PvE scenarios, others a mix, so you should try it out. The downside is that ARMA 3 is a bit expensive (with all the DLC like tanks and marksman, etc , etc).
Good news of war thunder you don’t have to worry about shit talking as there’s no voice chat and the text chat is usually never used
I remember times before we got the Chinese tree.
"OMG Gaijin, just release it already for the rest of the world!"
And when they did release it the community started crying even louder because
"OMG! COPYPASTE TREE!!!"
You people literally asked for it knowing well what's inside! The hell did you expect?!
how does that make sense to you? its not the same people thats what he was saying in the video, you are just adding to it at this point.
The one thing I was always advocating for when I played War Thunder was infinite spawns. I honestly believe that would've helped alleviate a lot of problems.
Being able to play all the way to the end of a match would mean more RP/SL, helping with the grind. It's also less time spent in loading screens, and more time playing.
Constant flow of reinforcements means an ongoing battle that will require playing the objectives to win. This also helps with spawn camping to a degree. As it gives the defending team a chance to rid themselves of the camper(s).
The 2017 April Fool's event was proof of concept for this. We had infinite spawns and everyone had fun. Granted, it was the first introduction of modern tanks/helicopters. Which was the driving force behind everyones enjoyment. But being able to just keep playing, I think, was huge. I never saw any complaints during that event, and people were even begging for Gaijin to keep it.
That would give an ufair advantage based on topbr of the game to certain nations, for example I play Russia and germany, If I got into a 5.3 topbr match I would have 8 tanks to use at least while my italian and german enemies would have 3 good ones max and then would have to use lower br vehicles if they even had them in their lineup.
@@George_Rakkas backups exist
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I still stand by my belief that balance beyond early cold war is impossible, now even more so with your comment about player nationalism with high tier MBTs. No matter what happens, no matter how it's balanced, one part of the community is going to get mad, get very loud about it, get it changed in their favor, and then get some other part of the community mad only for the cycle to continue in perpetuum.
low to mid tier will always be the best.
My only complaint is that they got rid of our 188 ton boy
It's back temporarily
The ramming and blocking each others tanks community?
GOD!!!! I been seeing a spat of those asshats the last two weeks, you got a good spot of cover and are taking out a few opponents... your scope view shakes around, you pan out to see what the eff is going on, and here is some dinky light tank trying to squeeze his way in... it's the only time I wish there was a teamkill option you can use and get away with.
@@dimwittedfool Yes that is what we need, 1 free team kill an hour to vent the frustration at those idiots. I'm tired of ranting in chat those assholes need to uninstall and go play Mario Cart or GTA5 with the 10 year olds and this not bumper cars with tanks even in AB. So many times i got taken out because some dickhead blocks my view, pushes me from behind cover.
@@gilibran im just saying, this might cause even worse problems than good, could you imagine the chaos that could happen just because you are allowed to do a singular team kill?
@@sword6381 🤣 i know but damn would it feel good at times 👍🤣
I had one match it was conquest American desert cap over at the train station, gas station spawn for our team. I spawn in the Russian moon rover and some dumb-ass leopard 1 decided to stop right in front of me so obviously I ended up running straight into him which pissed him off enough to constantly ram me for the entirety of the match. (Which lasted about three and we lost super hard)
i love it how everybody has this beat up wife relationship to WT.
Someone pls make a competitor so we can all abandon WT
Gunner Heat PC: You called?
There's two types, world of tanks if you wanna enjoy gameplay, there's steel beasts if you wanna go around to all world of tanks videos on UA-cam telling people how world of tanks is unrealistic
@@saabaton169 IL-2 and DCS if you want to see REAL planes
@removethatpfp usubhhumanssackoffshiitbbittcchh what?
@removethatpfp usubhhumanssackoffshiitbbittcchh nah
I refused to continue playing after my 3rd match in this year's summer event. As much as i want the new vehicles, i won't allow myself to go through that level of stress. College already gives my daily dosage of it.
Also, making a game frustrating in it's nature isn't a shot into the devs own foot? By making players mad about numerous things, won't make them think rationally. Things will end badly, no doubt about it.
Can’t have problems with the community if you destroy it ʕ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°ʔ
War Thunder ? TOXIC GAME and TOXIC community-STAY AWAY protect your mental health .
Almost 2000 hours, still playing, in moderation. Even having fun (don't tell Gaijin)
WHAT, YOU'RE HAVING FUN?! YOU WILL SUFFER THE REST OF YOUR DAYS IN GULAG!!
he is a national treasure.
Same here, while I do have to agree that Gaijin messes a lot of things up (and i think thats still an understatement). The Game is still fun and if you just try and learn about tanks and your opponents then you can just avoid balancing issues and other stuff. I got good at the game even without paying even a single bit into the game and got to around rank 4-5 in 4 different nations until i then got myself premium to speed things up and support gaijin. Honestly yes they are doing mistakes but I feel like thats just a common theme these days. Battlefield 5, CoD and basically any other game company has balancing issues, way too many glitches and they are all way too greedy for money. Considering that war thunder is f2p its a quite good game and I'm having a blast playing it. (Also still better than WoT I have lost all hope in that game)
I can raise my hand on few of the things - I quit the game due to grind problems and that I wouldn't spend a single coin on this game. It made me quite mad during grinding XP - not even counting events, when you were unable to play on certain rank (T-34-85(D-5T) ahem.). Also would myself toxic sometimes, thats also why I pretty much rage quitted and uninstalled this game - and I'm up to date only with devblogs and few youtubers.
I might quit too because I want the mig-9 and doing the maths alone just to get it and not the whole grind just to get to tier v. Average of 500 points a match and a match takes around 7 minutes and 96000 total points to get so .
..1334 minutes (22 hours)like come on. Who's got time for that sh*t. That doesn't count for the time to grind out tier 1 to 4 and buying those planes because game mechanics (you know if you play.) That price is also way to expensive (300,000 just to get it and another 90,000 to train the pilots)and make me bankrupt before I get it. Getting to attomic age of flying is impossible (jet powered airplanes usually at tier v or tier lV) unless 💵💵💵(1920 golden eagles )
yea me to tho the main reason on my end was endless frustration at repair costs, because once you start playing realism arcade just isnt fun anymore
I straight up quit for a whole year because of the IS-2~IS-3 grind due to the constant uptier where you can't do anything
What I did was just unlock what I liked and played that. I have almost all of some of the tech trees unlocked but I wont buy more. Once you past tier 3 imo the game just becomes dumb across the board
everything above rank 4/5 is a lie. Don't grind for anything above that point and you can have fun.
imagine paying a shitload for a shell for it to only ghost through a tank
When everyone starts to attack me for bringing out the idea of "When up tiered but I have the vehicles of that tier let me use them." On war thunder form, I stopped posting my views on there and starting to play less and less of WT.
Holy shit thats actually a pretty decent idea if you ask me! ... too bad that will probably never happen
Some players probably like "curbstomping" or whatever to potentially newer players that get uptiered.
And people think that only fix half the problem "what happens to those new players then?", but hear this, they just need to que up the lower tier, granted it will be slower to grind playing as lower tier but its safe, or if you want to be chanlenged you just que up with what you have.
IF PEOPLE GET TO BRING DECENT VEHICLES I CANNOT STOMP THEM! BAD IDEA REEEE
Vinn Kia,...I see merit to your idea. However, I live in Fantasy Land and like my solution better: "the highest BR in the player's lineup is the BR they are queued for. The BR is the BR, no uptier, no downtier and you'll just have to deal with the extra 1 to 5 minutes of time it takes for the matchmaker to find enough players of that BR for a battle."
In the last couple of weeks I have made it a point to start each match with 'Good luck and have fun everyone =)' in all chat (or something similar). That is to try and remind everyone, including myself, that we are playing a game with each other, and even though it is a war game, we are not actually enemies.
It helps stabilize a good mood in myself, and in most cases other players will chime in, giving the matches a more amicable atmosphere. I would encourage everyone to try something like this =)
that's actually a good advice. Giving a simple "GLHF" can shield you from frustation in game and even when someone answer back nicely, it can even improve your whole day
@@Fae-Fey online gaming is so toxic that your day improves if you get a nice answer 😆😆😆
yeah 10 sec later you kill a spawnkampfwagen and 10 more seconds later he comes back i na G91 and you barely left fucking spawn
brilliant
FUN AND ENGAGING EXPERIENCE
@@dave_sic1365 yeah i noticed nowadays
I say good luck to all my teammates whenever I start a match of World of Warships. I find great joy in being replied to by GLHF and an array of ship horns/celebratory gunfire. It raises team morale!
"Ghost shells have been fixed"
Press X to doubt
Funnily enough, I made the argument that Gaijin intentionally makes the game frustrating to boost sales during a stream of another WT youtuber whom I shall not name, and they said that I must just suck at the game because "It's so easy to earn xp and SL in this game".
you are right, the game is engineered to frustrate players into spending money.
In my total of 8 years playing War Thunder, i have seen some good and bad changes.
Although i do not agree with the HEAT-FS change for all top tier tank, i can see it from gaijin's perspective. They make a free game for all to enjoy, but they've got to make money somehow, if it were too easy, why would you purchase GE and or premium/premium vehicles.
Anyways, my point is; This HEAT-FS change has been made to annoy players to an extent to kind of force players into buying GE. Which is a short term solution. And this has become a trend with gaijin. They only change things to make money in the short term, but definitely not in the long term. And i definitely agree with the points you brought up spookston. The community is sour. But so are gaijin's ways of implementing these frustrating changes. And in my personal opinion, the best way to deal with this is just to either accept it, or to get in contact with gaijin and make some points about the entire ordeal, but do keep it friendly. Otherwise gaijin will most likely not do anything with it.
So please to anyone reading this ginormous comment, be nice to gaijin, and maybe they'll be nice to us as a playerbase. And i can almost assure all of you, that if we are more positive and more constructive in our critisizms, it'll help us in the long run.
Thank you for reading! Hope you have a nice day.
You shouldn't thank us. We should thank you for your long comment.
People *can't* keep it friendly, not when their only choice is to give up on all the money and time they sunk into a game they no longer like.
That's not the way the snail's mind works. If the community steps down asking for friendly requests the snail will crap on them and feel arrogant and be even worse than it is now.
well regardless of how frustrating the game can get , i'm not paying anymore until i see everything fixed
and i mean EVERYTHING
revengekilling, stock APFSDS, no more night maps, ghost shells , retarded hitboxed and so on
Gaijin has only ever reacted positively when there was a huge backlash, i.e. FPE & Parts. Protests are the only viable way of communicating with the top brass of this company.
Ghost shells are fixed? I literally had a ghost shell a week ago.
It's still here
i wish war thunder focused more on Low tier tanks, mainly in the WW2 era. All of their advertizements show T-80s, Abrams, Leopards etc. When a player sees those ads and starts playing the game, he just gets a LVT, Panzer 38t, T-26, and it makes them less motivated to play
I heard that a game called "Enlisted" is being developed for a while thats just basically war thunder with infantry..
Just hope that one doesn't become hell.
Isn't Enlisted made by gaijin tho?
@@dillonmilless9401 yes thats why i said i hope they don't make it become hell
haha cant wait to grind for 100 hours just for a stupid ass gun then
Oh enlisted is just as broken as war thunder Gaijin is the problem
Another problem is probably the language and nation barrier. War Thunder is a Russian made game. However, many of the most popular War Thunder channels and a LOT of criticism, constructive or not, is in English.
I can't imagine everyone in the WT dev team or office speaks, reads, or can write English - and who can expect them to? Problems have to cross the language barrier to get fixed, and some might get lost in translation entirely.
The first step of being a game dev is to know how to speak english. You cannot do codes or progress in the job without english which is fundamental. It's a basic requirement for game devs to have some english basis. In France it's pretty much the case to access those types of schools...
The Gaijin dev team had 8 years to learn english.They don't cross the language barrier because they don't want to.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 yes but also 8years of developing a game and crunching to release updates on time
You think they don’t have the money to pay for translators or devs who know English?
I'm not sure how true it is for WT, but I know for Wargaming games, the Russian playerbase is just as equally annoyed as the English-speaking sphere when it comes to absolutely mindless things the developers do.
There might be a language barrier, who knows, but there's an audience that doesn't have that problem, and they're ordinary players just like us.
Great summary of the issue!
These videos you do really sum up the reasons I hardly ever play WT, even Armoured Warfare (the half-dead WoT knockoff) is more fun IMO. WT has so much potential, but I just can't enjoy a game so frustrating to play.
"It's the players fault for taking the bait..."
Well, it's not the players who are in charge of the game.
"If you plant a seed in poisonous soil, don't be surprised that everything dies..."
There is always a reason why the community behaves the way it does: It's because they're not listened to and every further negative change will just enrage them even more because there's already a slew of issues that have not been addressed for so damn long, can you really blame the community? (I'm not talking about deliberate trolls)
Gaijin created the frustration and the environment, they ARE responsible for what goes on in the community. They are in charge of their game. It's common sense. And what do we, as a community have to combat it? Well, we either bitterly accept it or stop playing. Negative with negative. In the end, everyone loses.. You say: "Don't take the bait" What bait? We don't have a say in the matter, all that is thrust upon us, it's not optional...
Create a positive change, do something good for the players for once and not the statistics or the wallet, and then people will slowly warm up to you Gaijin. You planet those seeds in a poisonous soil, now don't cry about it and call everyone toxic because YOU planted those friggin seeds. Not us!
War Thunder ? TOXIC GAME and TOXIC community-STAY AWAY protect your mental health .
Average Spookston video intro: Killing an enemy in the cool way, audio then stops and you hear his emotionless deep voice XD
4:10 yes, through and through. Players spawn camping air spawn points comes immediately to mind
WT players: "listen to us gaijin"
World of tanks players: "First time"
Yes Ivan, there was over 100 triple barreled IS-3 tanks produced.
Wargaming actually fixes bugs, i have not had a ghost shell in that game in 4 years, unlike in WT as i had just today 2 ghost shells. Thats where it ends for wargaming tho
Naurava_Pottu Peruna i’ve been having connectivity issues with world of tanks recently, i’m getting a smooth 20 mb/s speed and WoT just starts getting laggy. Doesn’t happen for me in War thunder though
@@AveragePootis That argument makes no sense. War Thunder is a drastically more complex game, also the game engines are different and since for the most part we're not programmers we have no clue how easy or hard it is to change things. Wargaming maybe fixes bugs but they just cannot balance the game. World of Tanks suffers from ridiculous powercreep. WT powercreep is nonexistent compared to WoT. Who gives a shit about some silly little bug when the whole game is unplayable.
Thats why world of tanks EU lost 75% of player base over years tbh war thunder has same fate if this goes on
What makes me angry is, they announced the stock heat fs and then 1 week later they post devblog of t72 with full K-5 armor, its pure BS for milking money
04:11 For me events like Operation Suffer are like hearing the Purge siren, all rules of engagement are turned off for the period of the event. So i pick the most cancerous combo of Radkampfwagen 90 and G91 R/3 (and im a good player) and annoy the hell of the enemy team. like on the map Tunisia spawn on the Southeast side spawn set your gun on 1100 meters and drive just a couple of meters on the beach and voila you can shoot at all enemy that spawn in the north east immediatly. so i make 5 spawnkills at the beginning of the match usually then someone reacts finally and kills me and i cna spawn in my G91 so in less then a minute match time i have 5 kills and im allready in a awesome CAS jet and probably 3 out 5 killed guys did go back to hangar so the enemy has already less players then my team. With the G91i usually with 4 missiles i make 4 kills (when papa stalin doesn't makes magic protection for Russian tanks again) and so normally a match for me ends with 15 - 20 kills and a random number of assists.
that's so cancer
the air spawn on some maps is right above the battlefield and jets can be in effective range in seconds
some other cretin i killed in his spawnkampfwagen tried to kill me with a G91 missile ~12 seconds after he died
good thing i noticed that and Jed out right before impact
this sort of thing needs to be removed or a separate tank only gamemode should be added in to prevent triggered cretins for pretty much wasting other people's (already pretty wasted playing warhtunder) time
@@Zombine45 That happened when i did buy a XM1 and Apache pack for the money i got from the OBJ 279
Every battle I say "gl gf everyone" so many times have I received "f*ck you" and worse, just for wishing everyone good luck. To me the largest part of what makes the game sometimes unenjoyable is the community.
Sry dude, people can be dicks sometimes :I
@@armoredlumberjack1999 thanks bro, it makes me happy to see nice players helping each other, you have no idea how much means. :D
they may be the victims of Gaijin's "Purge" as well
@@sampanyofella5832i didnt experience that sort of thing before, but i believe you.. many times i got friendlies that are behind me not wanting to help me and letting the enemy kill me and then they steal kill it.. Community is toxic af i rarely encounter a friendly player.
Zaidan Mujahid dont blame gaijin on everything ffs. If you are narrow minded to a point where you think everything is gaijin’s fault, you may as well be one of those people saying fuck to a nice message.
Gaijin logic: Fix the cause? Nah we'll just fix the syndrom. Best example is the Maus remove for newer players
And this is why I usually only give good feedback, with perhaps suggestions. Slight nudges in the direction I think it should go.
Good feedback can also be destructive to the game.
There could be glaring issues and good feedback will basically hide those issues that need to be addressed.
The whole HEATpocalypse thing came from a good feedback ironically, the community want Gaijin to at least give inferior kinetic shells for tanks that has HEAT at stock and no other rounds (granted on tanks that has and used them once, like Leo 2A4, 2A5) until they reach their high tier kinetic which varies usually at Rank IV and V modules (which mind you, will cost around 100k RP to get there), this isn't hard to implement nor breaks the game as much as it already is (since there are already a bunch of vehicles that got it on stock) and it turns out to be making everybody uses HEAT as stock.
Rubbing the salt to the wound by adding the late T-72B series which has pretty much great Chemical munition protection.
I'm not saying the community isn't at fault, but Gaijin took a metal bat and slammed it on our balls on this move, I would be ok if matchmaking of top tier tanks are mixed like planes, but they usually favor EU vs US/UK/JP or Axis vs Allies which pretty much make the game can be pretty one sided with how Gaijin decides to balance thing using Rock, Paper, Scissor logic
And that’s why no one listens to your feedback
War Thunder's community problem summed up in 2 words:
The community
and gaijin
yes and no
Gaijin has the community it deserves.
@@IsoDidact agree on this one
Oh please stop with your idiotic rambling. Surely the community was like this from the day 1, right?
Didnt think so.
Number and number of bad, half-assed money grabbing decisions have led to this very "toxic" community to be what it is today.
I just dont understand people who defend gaijin. What i do know is, those gaijin supporters are the ones to spend money on the game.
Because money solves everything bad this game has.
And there is a lot of bad in this game.
Thus, they do not care for what gaijin does.
Good or bad?
What does it matter,
Dont be mad.
Pay the coin to make it all better.
*Frustration is fundamentally*
World of Tanks: *First Time?*
WoT community just makes fin of all the problems and in that sense, WG Is More friendly and can make fun of his mistakes too, Also they are trying to solve the problems.
WT community Is on fire 24/7 and blame you if you like any other tanks game (specially WoT) instead of the "superior" game.
That first kill is why the added overpressure
That's why I take 2-5 month breaks from the game at a time. Ill get into it, grind whatever event is up at that time, or grind whatever tank/nation I'm playing as, finish, and be burnt out until another 2-5 months later. The only caveat is Summer and Winter events, which I will grind almost every time.
Well, maybe i'd play another nation if it wasn't such a chore and if "Free" Exp was ACTUALLY free.
Worst thing about grinding up to a higher rank is starting every tank without an Extinguisher or parts.
@@a.b.3455 Even worse, guns being nowhere near accurate, forcing combat ranges that are way too close for certain vehicles
Also the shit ammo you start off with usually
@@theBrid-gv8je At least we don't pay a premium for ammo
@@FMHikari A technically true thing, we do pay for it but with lions instead. It can get really bad for high tier tanks to shoot unlocked ammo.
I’m glad I quit, game isn’t as fun as it used to be. :(
Everyone has a love-hate relationship with War Thunder. Some people like me really enjoy it sometimes but other times I just find it stupid and annoying. Usually I just play a few games and the second something happens to me that is downright stupid I exit the game.
I had a gander on the WT forum, and I wanted to see if people would like to see the FV215 project implemented into the game since its a relitavely iconic tank from the 50s and a fascinating project. Someone turned around and slandered me for even raising this question. He then told me I should just go play World of Tanks instead. Never been on any of Gajins forums again after that.
I got a week ban for saying they should add the scimitar to the British tree at 7.7 along with pictures and armor thickness.
@@zathnygothu95 rookie shit lmfao i posted classified documents and it got to court
i have been playing for 7 years of war thunder i was already aware they both parties are in the fault for how the state of the game is currently is.
I always think the same. War Thunder its a cool game, but allmost everything inside it makes me not want to play it.......
Warthunder community is really drunk sometimes:
Community: pls buff Airfield bcs Its too weak
Also community: pls nerf Airfield Its too strong
@Reverend Krieger Durden Tyler sr Look, I've stopped playing for plenty of reason and so called Revenge Kills or CAS are not the issue. There are way more important issue at stake:
-Paying a HUGE amount of SL in repair when you are killed,
-the grind to get from pre WW2 era of tank or plane to post era of tank or Planes.
-Balance issues in vehicles and maps,
-not rewarding helpfull player (repairing an allied tank or spotting with a light tank)
-Points being divided unequally when you capture a point.
-Helicopters being unplayable except if you take the premium ones.
-KillCam
And I might be forgetting more reasons.
And I think it will tie with what you said. What is enfuriating about CAS is paying SL because someone took a plane and killed you just because you got him in his tank. No loose of SL and you wouldn't be that salty about it. Also the whole concept of killcam is dumb. You shouldn't have a killcam. You want to see who got you: look at the replay. CAS wouldn't be half as enfuriating to play against if people would not have kill cam.
@Matthew Kim true xD
Anyone else miss the old days during the beta when the grind was more or less nation level up for unlocking the next tier of aircraft and tanks.
Also back when the player base was semi competent on what they ware doing and they did not ignore a map pings of potential enemies and not drive straight line it to a point and get shot from their flanks.
The ads are also misleading I thought I'd be able to get straight to using modern tanks for free and shit but gayjin said "nah fuck you and go through an extremely painful grind unless you give us money"
Why does some of this sound like how the English Dubbing industry and anime fans interact?
I got chat banned for life for spilling my guts about gajin
I wake up at an absurdly early hour in the morning,working incredibly long day at work, and when I come home I can't be bothered to deal with the frustrations of the game.
So, Gaijin makes money off my premium time and purchasing of premium tanks, and the occasional gold purchase for a unique camo, or decorative item, and I just enjoy the game for what it is:
Tank yeets big stabby boi at 2.7km and makes enemy tank kaboom.
Even with all of my premium benefits, the game is still incredibly infuriating at times.
Good work, you got scammed.
Sell your account, boycott the snail
@@SuperMistral99 lol, if only. But the memes are too worth it.
@@CypherusMcClain just sell me your account man please im desperate
@@SuperMistral99 I'll have to calculate the monetary input for my X years of premium, all the premium vehicles I've purchased, and the hours of gameplay (at my state's minimum wage, plus income tax) and I'll get back to you on that. :)
Toxic, not caring for people below their skill level, "Skill issue, get better", telling everyone to be a master or stop playing... My experience with 90% of WT Players
Hit the nail squarely on the head, I was going to leave a long comment here but realized 3/4ths of the way through it that I was just reiterating your points.
When a youtube video about a free-to-play game causes me to reflect on my own behavior, you know something has to be wrong with either the game or the person. In this case it's a heaping pile of both.
German tank player: cry
Gaijin: fine （ lowers br instead fixing)
Me in my Kv-1 see panther D: great
German players don't cry. Only idiotic basement dweller antifa turds who play allied nations.
@@rudolphantler6309 German tech tree is fucked to the bone seriously. How can someone even get to top tier on german
When I started playing war thunder, I grinded as far down as the mighty BT-7 and i was getting into games with 76 and 105mm gun shermans, what the hell am I supposed to do? And how am I supposed to enjoy it? Wt, after 3 years of waiting for it to come to Xbox, was a massive disappointment
To be honest, they should not be surprised that the community dislike them: they base the core of their game on frustration. And on top of that, the "it s realistic" argument isn t really there anymore with the amount of errors they let in.
So, we got a game that is neither fun neither realistic....
Where they expecting praise from such a product?
Great work i have never heard somebody list the community Problems so quick and with such precision
Yeah how a t72 can smoke an Abrams and Leopard but it itself is invincible at point blank! ?????
Can i just say as an Australian player who finds it difficult to get a server with less than 260 ping... (and by difficult i mean 95 times out of 100, it's 260ms ping or higher. The lowest we see here in Australia is 150-160ms)
A lot of the frustration can definitely come down to the servers being absolute crap. They claim that most of the checks are client side but if that were the case, you would shoot and even if the other person shot at the same time, your round would still register on the server, and i think we all know from experience that just isn't true. #GhostShellsNeverDie
Playing at 260ms ping is by far the worst handicap i've had in any game and it's so frustrating. Not only do some shells just never register, but when you aim at a weak point and shoot, the server doesn't register it (because client side checks don't actually exist) and your shell has now hit a completely different spot on the tank you were aiming at.
A lot of American and European players may not have, or may never experience this sort of thing due to the local servers, but trust me, it's there. Pile on top of that, teammates who are also frustrated or just straight up don't care about playing for the team or winning because they just want to grind for themselves... The entire experience of what the game COULD be, goes right out the window and you are just sitting in your own salt.
Coming from World of Tanks, i was genuinely excited about War Thunder for it's realism and physics/hit systems. However even on World of Tanks they have servers that work. Client side checks that actually register shots fired as you die. Anyone who says it's not possible or it's too difficult is just lying to themselves.
TL;DR - If Gaijin actually cared about their game and their community, there would be a lot of small fixes made that would make a HUGE difference for the games entertainment level.
@@siftervinnie2inNFS Completely agree. They either need to make PvE Viable for grinding, or fix the servers for those of us that have no choice but to play at over 200ms ping.
Top Tier is always the problem.
It was Always problem And always will be.
If you say that type 90 is underperforming and Gaijin buffs it then other nation players Will be angry that they buffed it and on.
Imo anything later than 1946 shouldn't have ever been added in to the game, and they should've gone the other way (add older vehicles) instead.
@@b-chroniumproductions3177 bruh There would be less players
If playing top tier is a problem then well grinding for it is as well
Mainly them newer players in the Leo L44's
@@Onyxar we don't know that
WT players: "Gaijin please decompress the BRs"
Also WT players: "Gaijin put the Panther D at 5.3! My 5.3 lineup is incomplete without it!"
I did not make that up btw, I have seen a ton of people complaining that the Panther D is not 5.3 with their only argument being that they want it for their 5.3 lineup. Thx wehraboos for killing this already broken game. I love constantly getting into germany vs germany battles because nobody wants to play the other nations which at this point all suffer.
The panther is a easy target if you are smart.
I mean this is kinda two sided convo man ...
They had to give a meaning to panther D because it had no positive side at 5.7. Uptier suffering problems never gonna be solved in this game
It is hardly just German players that can be blamed for that
@@TheBoneKing that way of thinking is exactly the problem. The M4A1, M26, M4A3E2, M4A3E2 (76), M47, M42 M1, IPM1 and many more tanks are all useless because ether they just suck at their BR or there is something even better at that BR.
But do you see U.S. players complain about it? I personaly have not (except for maybe the M4A3E2). If those tanks get a lower BR they will ruin the game for everyone, meanwhile if they stay at their BR they will just not get played.
Stop being idiots and start actualy trying to push for balance. Yes the Panther D is worse then the Panther A BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT SHOULD BE AT THE SAME BR AS THE M4A2 (76) OR THE COMET!!!
This is exactly why wehraboos are hated in WT right now. They just seem to not know what balance is or how to achive it.
@@conordevery2306 When was the last time a U.S. tank got a lower BR?
When was the last time a british tank got a lower BR?
Meanwhile look at the list of german tanks which got lowerd in BR in the last months, many of them for no reason what so ever other then because germany players wanted them to be lowerd in BR.
What is un sportsman like in WT? I mean its war, you either die or you don't. It's obvious people will try to kill the enemy the easiest way possible. Maybe someone can explain? Cuz the only thing I can think of is the low tier truck rush to cap a point and then spawn a plane. Like that is the only un sportsman thing I can think of in this game.
I always burned down inside my Soviet bomber Pe-8 40-60 seconds
after i respawn, by a goddamn spawnkiller BF-109 K-4, in a frikkin 4.0 battle rating. Really a war thunder experience
Sir Spookston,
Do you know of a clip of A13s driving through brick buildings? I've been trying to find this clip and I believe i might have been in one of your wonderful videos. Could you help me find it?
Just remove the 4 ATGMS on the G.91 A-4B etc
or just move this thing to 9.0 so they have a bad time against the higher br AA, and the spam getting less
EnormoTheClown
Just make it like 800sp with the AGM
@@TheCarDemotic
nah there are more then enough players that donr case about the cost
EnormoTheClown
It would prevent mass amounts of them
2:50 - well if the devs are not happy with feedback perhaps they should go live in a cave. It's 2020 there will be toxicity
Living in a cave doesn't solve the issue. Besides, to find good feedback they have to shift through seemingly endless hordes of shit, it's 2020 after all... The best solution is to block out as much community as possible and instead seek out people who love the game and want to help improving it for advice etc
I honestly forgot this game existed til about a week ago when UA-cam decided to recommend me a war thunder vidoe out of the blue.
I'm somewhat amazed, impressed and yet disappointed to find out this game is still alive. It was bad enough for being a grindy, frustrating mess back in years gone by, but now with all that stuff added and seemingly nothing done to help the player along... Damn you guys are masochists at this point lads.
Yeah my phantom with no mods has 0 change against a phantom with full sidewinders
“I noticed this looking at 343i”
Of course, what better company to look to for poor community feedback than a company that has done not one good thing and a host of negative things over a decade
Terran Siege Tank (Starcraft) vs Grizzly Tank (Halo Wars 2).
4:30-4:37 OOH this looks really fammiliar to me...
From 40% to 60% of problems thruought history happend on this kinda way, and one of best examples is WWII and Yugoslav Civil War. Just study the core of them and you will realise it is this problem of "making the atmosphere hostile and other tooking the bait". Is really mankind doomed to not learn from mistakes?
War Thunder ? TOXIC GAME and TOXIC community-STAY AWAY protect your mental health .
the ammount of people that say spawnkilling is a valid tactic is insane
its hard not to see everything about this game as rotten to the core
I saw that most people that complain are pay to win crybabies. "Why is my XM-1 not invincible boooo"
Hey Spookston
Can you do a vid on why do people like you keep coming back to WarThunder
Ash did a vid but he didn't really get to the point
Anyway keep up the good work
Bcs warthunder gives you expierience like no other game can So Its simply enjoyable.
@@Onyxar yeah like randomly banning players for no reason
AManNamed2 nah, if you remotely like tanks or military aircraft there isn’t another combined arms game like this one. It’s frustrating, it’s toxic, but the vehicles are cool and grinding your favourite tank or jet out is incredibly appealing, as miserable as the journey may be. This is coming from someone who has German ground, and air maxed out, along with soviet ground as well. I’ll play the game and get the vehicles I’m interested in, then stop playing until some more get added. As an example, I haven’t played since getting the Mig-21MF and T-72B, but I plan on coming back to grind the new T-72B3 coming in the next update, then I’ll stop playing again. Until another game very similar in concept comes, with modern jets and tanks with semi realism, warthunder will retain a player base.
@@hklassehutten1476 bruh Gaijin doesn't ban people.
True there's just like only few good ww2 military vehicles game in the market that are in right balance of simulator and arcade, the other spectrum are just way to arcade and the other half just way too simulator and complicated and hard to get into. Also WT haben both air, naval and ground vehicles in one game.
Tldr: love hate relationship with war vehicles
I had someone hate private message me because I was afk for a little bit. This guy was mad very upset. I've noticed the community is becoming very toxic.
A happy player will spend more. Not according to war thunder. They make you miserable to make you spend.
i've been saying this for years now... top tier is toxic. sure, it's fun when you're doing well... but at the expense of other players fun. PhlyDaily addressed this some years ago with the (rough) quote: "someone else has to- to not have fun, for me to have fun." now, that's not the player's fault. add the stresses of the game economy, well... you get the picture. the common response to this is, and has been, "git gud". well, that by definition, is toxic. it will endlessly frustrate the player, and it has done so since the dawn of PvP gameplay.