As someone that works for a fence company, I can say spit fences are pretty common. My favorite was an old man that was first to buy in a new subdivion, through a loophole he never joined the HOA or signed any of their contracts. He had a fence that went against what the HOA allowed and they bothered him for years to remove it/ change it, but again he wasn't part of the HOA so they could make him. In 2018 he got tired of the harassment and hired us to take down his fence and install a new one. He took down his wooden picket fence and installed a white Vinyl privacy fence. Now this may not seem too bad, but the HOA hated vinyl fences and white fences. And for those that don't know white vinyl can be VERY bright (almost blindingly so) when the sun hits it right. So now the HOA members have this large obnoxious fence in their sea of small black fences. The best part is that he moved out of that house a few months later, never sold the house and it just sits empty as a middle finger to the HOA.
I bought my first house about a year and a half ago. A few weeks after moving in, my neighbor to the back knocked on my door and asked if he could use my driveway, hill, and gate at the back of my property to unload some grazing cattle for a couple months. I had wondered why there was a gate installed between two properties, now I had my answer. He and the previous owners of my house had an arrangement for access; a verbal easement, I guess? Either way, I happily told him "sure!" It was the easiest access to the land he needed the cattle on, so why not? Fast forward to him picking up said cattle while I was at work, to return them to whereever they came from. I come home to find a note on my door from him, apologizing for rutting my grass on the way out. I looked out the back, and there was fresh-laid sod neatly flushed in where he had rutted the grass. I bought him a case of beer as a thank-you for his honesty and integrity. My neightbors are pretty awesome.
I remember reading a story about a man who wanted to build a ten-foot fence on his property, but he was only legally allowed to have a five-foot fence, so he built a five-foot concrete wall and built his five-foot fence on top of it. The town council tried to sue him for having a ten-foot fence, but the court found him innocent, since the fence itself was only five feet tall.
That doesn't look like a true story. A fence is a fence, no matter if it is a concrete wall or a wooden barrier. I think a court would more likely be like "that's a 10 foot fence, don't be a smartass".
Reminds me of the story from here in the UK where city council members wouldn't approve planning permission for a house to be built on a plot of waste ground in the city, conveniently directly opposite the city council building. Finally the guy gave up and instead applied for and got permission to install a water tank on the land, or at least they assumed it was a water tank, the documents only specified "tank" not what kind, so they were surprised when one day they found an old decommissioned soviet era tank sat on the land, gun pointed directly at the office of the people responsible for planning permission. Cue "you cant have that there!", followed by "yes I can, here's the paperwork you signed to say so" and since its become a point of interest and been repainted to be a work of art.
Here's another stupid Planning Department decision. A friend who's a builder brought an old house with a lot of land on the edge of a village. He applied for permission to build 4 houses on part of the land and was turned down, so 6 months later he re-applied for 2 houses and was again turned down. A year later he applied for permission to build a brick barn and had it approved. 3 months later he applied to have the barn (that he hadn't built yet) converted into apartments and the plan was granted.
I moved into a new house about a decade ago and my new neighbor greeted me and seemed quite friendly. He was doing some landscaping work and asked me for a small favor and we had a nice chat. He said his old neighbor was a complete A-hole and the two fought constantly like cats and dogs and he was really glad to have someone like me. Well after he had completed his landscaping I saw he had not only redone his yard but a small part of mine as well. He even literately planted a flagpole in my yard. I debated how to handle this. On one hand he really seemed nice and the property he claimed really could have been a honest mistake, on the other hand I worried that this was a sign of things to come and I should put my foot down now. However overall I valued my relationship with my neighbor far more than a little bit of land so I just ignored it. I mean he did genuinely seem nice. Turns out I had the right instinct in this case. He and his family turned out to absolute angels. No one would believe me if I mentioned even a few things they have done for me but lets just say he makes Ned Flanders seem like a bad neighbor. And a bout a year latter he must have realized his earlier mistake because I came home to see that he had moved his flagpole and paid a landscaper to fix the part of my lawn that he had relandscaped to match my lawn.
fyi, if he had just left his encroachment, and you did not object, there is usually a sort of 'statute of limitations' where the one occupying and maintaining the land without objection then has legal roght to it.
@@nonyabizness.original that concept is kind of crazy to me, that if you claim something as yours for long enough that it can eventually become yours. I guess it's a little more acceptable if it's regarding a small patch of land that is next to the main parcel of land but I keep seeing these news stories about guests who overstay their welcome or squatters who take over an empty home that's for sale. That should be outright illegal. I don't know how or why some states have laws protecting their behavior - the only thing that logically makes sense is if those laws were made to protect tenants from being wrongfully evicted but if that's the case then those laws should be specific to people who have rental contracts. Not squatters who show up and say "I live here now".
My family sort of has a spite fence on our property. Basically, the previous resident didn't like the HOA's decision to ban fences in our neighborhood. He called his extended family to erect a fence around the entire property before the HOA could properly submit this new rule on the following Monday. As a result, my family now has the only fenced in backyard on our street and we're perfectly within our rights to maintain that fence. Haha!
On spite fences, here in Sydney some years ago there was a famous case of someone who bought a home with harbourside views - except for a set of 100year old trees on local council land blocking that view. The trees mysteriously all suddenly died - noone could prove it was the buyer so the county lost the court case. But the council decided that the replacement seedlings needed an extremely ugly permanent 7 metre high razor wire protective fence to prevent a recurrence ....
One of my favorite spite structure stories is actually that of a giant table and chairs in a livestock pasture. The owner just wanted a lean-to for his stock to get in out of the rain, but the plans were denied multiple times. So he built a massive kitchen table with two chairs instead. Big enough the stock could stand under them and be dry. Totally legal. 😂
@@thetomlette7720 No worrys, in Austria there is also a set of a table with four chairs sheltering hourses for that exact reason. They tried to don't give him permission so he just put a table there.
I read about one very lovely spite construction recently. Due to a dispute with a Home Owners Association, a resident built a small structure in his backyard. A bat colony. Where several thousand bats immediately moved in. And because bats are a protected species, the HOA could do nothing about removing the offending structure.
@@grmpEqweer My neighbor has several beehives and it's not too big of a deal. I hardly notice the bees most of the time, except occasionally when my dogs try to eat them.
@@xitaris5981 Bees just aren't that aggressive, especially if they're captive-bred bees. The wild ones around here may be a bit Africanized, so a rescued swarm might be a bit rambunctious.
I used to work in animal care, rescuing illegally captured birds, reptiles, and mammals from the exotic pet trade. I've had the pleasure of working in aviaries full of Macaws and other parrots. I can think of no greater hell than having any number of Macaws in my home.
Our family had a salmon-crested cockatoo when I was younger. Thank God we didn't keep him indoors. You could hear that damn bird miles away. They're one of the loudest birds on the planet with calls up to 129db. Your ears would be ringing if he was excited or pissed off.
Rawwr Rob I know someone that has a huge Moluccan cockatoo and he’s a lot of fun, but when he’s bored or angry (which is often) the sounds he makes are deafening. Then their little Galah cockatoo starts screaming at the Moluccan to “shut up! Shut up! You’re too loud! Shut up! Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup SHUT UUUUUUUPPPPP!” I don’t understand how they live with it. I start getting a migraine and have to step outside or leave. They fully admit that they live on several acres so that they don’t have neighbors complaining about how loud their birds are.
😂 for 20+ years I am owned by a very loving Blue & Gold Macaw. I am blessed that She is mostly happy & quiet. Although, She doubles as an intruder/visitor alarm & gets entirely jealous if I attempt to talk on the phone. For those who may not be aware: Birds make noise as the Sun sets to locate everyone before dark of night & again at Sun rise Birds call out to one another to check on each Other's welfare. Again, I am very blessed that My Macaw sleeps in until She hears Me up around.... And since I have a habit of speaking to Her via breakfast & water change, She doesn't alarm in the morning. 🦜❤️ FYI, Macaws are said to have the mentality of a 3 year old toddler. An African Grey are said to have the mentality of a NINE YEAR OLD CHILD. 😳
I knew of a woman in Salem, Mass that owned a home. The HOA got upset because she painted the ceiling of her front porch blue. The HOA said the color was incorrect for the year the house was built and she had to repaint it. Now, to seethe color you had to be standing ON the porch (it couldn't be seen from the street at all.) So, in the best act of retaliation I have ever heard of, she repainted not only the porch ceiling but the entire house, trim, window panes, front door, and steps in a paint that was practically pumpkin orange. It was historically accurate as it was based on an iron oxide paint that was used at the time.
My neighbor is the mayor's son. He bought an beautiful old Victorian house for close to 3 Mil. and tore it to the ground. He is also trying to make the other neighbors move out so he can buy their house, tear it down and build a helicopter pad. Yes, in the middle of a neighborhood. My favorite part if this story is how he was married for 15ish years with 4 kids, cheated the entire time and you know how he was caught? Having s*x in the movie theater with his ENTIRE family 2 rows behind them while he had claimed to be at work. The day the divorce was finalized he proposed to his girlfriend on the COURT HOUSE STEPS!!! safe to say EVERYONE hates him
As a Bay Area resident, it makes me worryingly happy to hear that the Young family finally cashed in on their land the year before the Crocker Mansion burned down.
When I moved into my new house, on a new subdivision, there were very few fences in the neighborhood. My wife is a very private person, so we hired a company to put one up. They had just begun when they got a phone call from an unidentified neighbor, saying the fence they were erecting was a style that went against the "legal covenant" attached to the property, specifying what sort of fences are allowed, and they should halt. The contractor told me about the phone call and asked what he ought to do. I told him I had no idea what the neighbor was talking about, so just finish the job. He did, and its a beautiful fence. In the meantime, I pulled out the mortgage and title to the property, documents we'd signed just a few months before. There was nothing in them about construction covenants, or any stipulations at all. And since then we've never been contacted by any neighbors about it. In fact, the only thing we've heard from the neighbors nearby is that they like the type of fence we chose.
@@MISTAKEWASMADE4live No. But I found a Facebook group for our neighborhood. Full of people fighting over whether we have covenants, what that means if we do, and who is enforcing them or not enforcing them. I have decided to ignore them.
My family built a spite fence, you could call it, let me know what you think. We had obnoxious rich neighbors who would always bitch when our front lawn got a little long. (My mother was a single mom raising two young boys who was working full time and in graduate school full time when I was young, and the grass was often not her top priority.) So there was a history and tension, mainly on their side with them hating us. They would also drag their lawn debris, garbage, and recycling out to the front of OUR HOUSE next door instead of their own so they could keep their front yard looking pretty and make sure they had an extra parking space. Anyhow, years ago they built this humongous third story addition which at the time towered over anything else on the street and was gaudy and obnoxious (& unnecessary for the 2 people living there at the time.) Next, they added in an outdoor shower in a small corridor along the side of their house. The way they built it though, the door was a couple inches over the property line into our yard. They would open the door up and when opened the door would extend FIVE FEET into our yard, and they would use this thing frequently as we lived near the beach. It really did bother us greatly. My mom called after less then a week had passed and had a company come and put a fence up along the property line. It was a six foot solid wooden fence that completely, 100% blocked the door of the outdoor shower from entrance or exit. To this day I find it hilarious that my mom did that. She was not in the wrong or being malicious, she was merely preventing herself from getting taken advantage of by our upper class, retired pompous ass neighbors who thought she deserved less respect and consideration than anyone else due to her being a divorced single mom with, in their opinion, neglected property to begin with. It isn't like my mom owns a trailer, it is a half a million dollar home, the lawn just gets tall. Anyhow, if anyone reads this tome I just typed let me know if you think she was in the right or wrong.
I don't know the specifics, but seems like your neighbors could have easily built their shower in a way that the door didn't open onto your property. So I think your mom was justified. I just hope no one was in the shower when they put up the fence!
What a great conversation it must have been with the contractor. "Yeah I'm booked till next month." "You don't understand, they just installed this shower and it would block their door completely. [Insert their nasty previous actions]" "Wow, what bastards. And this thing swing 5ft into your yard?" "Yup." "I think I can get a couple of the boys for some OT and knock a fence out this week." "Fantastic. I'll grab some beers for your hard work!"
One day right after I bought my home, and before moving in, my dad, sister and I went to the house. As we arrived my sister noticed the neighbor had a flower garden that obviously extended into my yard. My sister and I started to discuss what I should do about informing my neighbor that was now my property. My dad said to us, “I think you two should shut up, it’s the best looking part of the yard.” We all laughed. I never did say a word to the nice lady next door about her flower garden crossing onto my property. We lived for many years without any conflict. She was a truly nice lady that sometimes baked brownies and brought them over to share. I’m glad I never mentioned anything about her flower garden.
Easements are always fun, my grandpa was a lineman for Northern States Power and they always had trouble doing maintenance work in one of the wealthier cities nearby. The homeowners never wanted to let them have access to their back yards or trim up any trees that were growing in to their power lines. That is until a storm comes through an knocks out everyone's power.
Nobody wants to see infrastructure until they need more infrastructure. They do not want service and equipment boxes visible but they want the latest fiber optic internet. They want the fastest and greatest G number on their cell phone but will be the first at the town hall meeting to say no to cell towers. They want stable electricity but will always come against tree trimming or new power lines. We have one of those green power company boxes on our land, And in winter if the snow gets deep try to clear around it a bit just in case the utility needed to get in there.
Used to do door-to-door sales for a big cable company, which works easements for direct selling into all of its terms. Legally protected annoying you in your home, they're some fun stuff
When I was a kid our neighbors tried to sue my family under an obscure law that stated it was illegal to keep a animal for slaughter in a basement with the intent to eat it. They just didn't like that we had a pet pig that we let sleep in the living room.
We had to take our neighbours to court - twice! Once for the ruling and the second time to ENFORCE the ruling because they hadn't complied within the mandated timeframe. All because the huge branches their trees were dropping on our house and yard were damaging our roof and endangering our safety, and they refused to do anything about it.
My neighbor told me about the danger of a tree in my yard because it was dropping limbs. I agreed and started getting bids immediately. The day before removal a storm came through dropping a large branch in their yard barely missing the house and shed. He thanked me for getting rid of it.
Up where I live the tree that enters your property is yours to do with as you please. So I can cut my neighbour's tree limbs that encroach over my yard.
My family recently had to replace a broken section of fence we share with our neighbors, we simply informed them we wanted to do so, and they gave their consent while agreeing to pay about 35% of the costs. No fuss, just quick and easy
Several years ago I just start my police training (day 2 or 3) when I woman came to the our station to complain about trespassers. Knowing I maybe out of my element I called over a senior officer on desk duty for surgery for help. Turns out utility workers were coming to her back yard to read her meter. Even that early in my career I understood utility company would need to send people into backyards to read meters. We try to explain this to the woman would went on a long rant about property lines. And on that day I realize this would be the bulk of my police career so far.
I worked for my local GIS department for a few years. The biggest issue we saw with land borders is that we can rarely be certain exactly where they are. Surveys drawn in the 1800s, natural landmarks changing, and better technology to survey with actually change the lines slightly. I was tasked with re-drawing the lines for the whole county. I usually wouldn’t change the lines much if it was too much trouble, for this exact reason. At a certain point, it matters more how people are actually using the land today, not the best math of a man in 1929 with a compass and a can-do attitude. Edit: this is why the maps you find online for your property are not legally binding.
My sister had to deal with property disputes when she wanted to install a fence around her yard that required the removal of a boulder half on her neighbors yard. However, it hilariously backfired when it was determined that her property extended ~6 feet into "their" yard.
We're in a similar situation. We're renting to own a house from relatives and they noticed after they had moved out, and prior to us moving in, the neighbors installed a fence between are properties. Since they DIYd it they weren't very accurate. We found the original land survey and between our two garages we both have a shared gravel parking. It fits three comfortably (squeezes 4). It's currently split evenly, but in the official survey, the fence sits at two thirds. So they're supposed to have one parking space, while we have two. If we sell in the future we'll muscle out our 2 spots as parking is worth its weight in gold around here, but for now we only use the one anyways so we let em have it.
I have worked directly with a Land Surveyor for almost 20 years. The most common job we get is neighbors fighting over property lines. Though I am surprised you didn’t mention adverse possession which says an object or line has been there for so long it might as well now be the line.
Adverse possession is for large plots of agricultural land it is not for platted residential land in most areas. The fences in my neighborhood had been on the wrong place for 50 years and my lawyer said adverse possession does not apply sections of platted land.
@@macmcleod1188 It could be your county or state because we've had them. One I remember really well is a place a guy had an old shed and fence line that was way off. The subdivision was designed in the early 1910s so the property lines are difficult to survey. They moved the line after a long court fight because they said the shed and fence had been there for a long time.
does that mean if my neighbor has a woodpile at the edge of his property, and both parties have been using it as a guide for the edge of the property basically since it was erected, a court, depending on other circumstances like our jurisdiction's statutes and case law, might rule we have more land than we would if we went strictly by the "official" property line? This isn't an entirely hypothetical question. On the other hand, nothing said in response to it will be taken as legal advice....
Adverse possession is how this The United States was built! Other than a few plots of land that were cheaply bought from "owners" without solid provenance and no clear title (think Manhattan), much of this country was taken by violence, disease, and forced displacement of the previous tenants.
My neighbors (likely) burned down their barn to commit insurance fraud. They replaced it with a better one, built it against code (i know this for a fact), and caused water to flood our property. They made our leech field flood and ruin some of our crops. Since a leech field is human waste, we could get in trouble with the EPA. They also burn trash in their outdoor furnace which causes burning trash smoke to flood the neighborhood. It makes our house smell like burning trash. My parents have not only spent time and money excavating our property to combat the flooding, but they’ve helped these neighbors over the years with excavating and putting in that furnace. Their tools are literally in their house holding up the support beams, keeping the neighbor’s house up. My parents don’t want to take legal action because they can’t afford a lawyer, and they want to be “good neighbors”. They did get an inspector to come and look and he thinks we would have a valid case. Neighbors can suck.
Never knew what a leech field was…I’m in the burbs. Sorry for your troubles. Your family seem like good people but sometimes you need to put your foot down. Good luck
Once had a local municipality attempt to fine me for storing cars in my driveway under a "junk vehicle ordinance." Rather than use the State code definition of a junk vehicle or a very similar method used by insurance companies to determine a totaled vehicle, they depended upon use of registration and inspection. Which might have worked, if they had in fact used either factor in the ordinance itself. Neither word was even mentioned in the ordinance, a fact that I pointed out to the local Magistrate each time the municipality attempted to fine me. After accumulating five not guilty verdicts and a sixth citation, I met with the chief of police, and asked him how the borough wanted to proceed. I told him that if I won again, the next paperwork we'd exchange would be from my lawyer in the form of a suit at $50,000 for each not guilty verdict, and it would be delivered by the Sheriff's office. He said he would confer with his bosses, and I never heard another thing about it.
I love the skinny house type spite houses. Firstly, I love tall narrow houses in any context, and secondly, the local history of a spite house is hilarious. I mean, if it isn't properly habitable that's one thing, but just being shoved into weird small property boundaries is amazing.
Favorite find as I searched online filings was a case in West Des Moines, IA. It was a neighbor dispute over kids trespassing on someone’s property. Both sides were super petty. They went through several lawyers and even went to trial with lawyers. There were over 100 exhibits and it went on for several days. The plaintiffs won and the judge awarded $1 in damages, and each side had to pay their own attorney’s fees.
@@MISTAKEWASMADE4live Everyone knows each other and they’re super welcoming to strangers. 90% of the land is corn so you’re going to be eating a lot of sweet corn simply because it’s the cheapest thing available
An old neighbour poisoned a 100+-year-old tree in my family's backyard because he didn't like the roots growing onto his property. We told him he could just cut the roots because they were small enough and far enough away from the tree for the tree to be fine. He instead opted to poison our tree (we had other trees, but you know like trees are kinda big and dangerous when they die). Conversely, our neighbours on the other side had a spaghetti squash plant that grew through the fence, and we asked them if they wanted the squash, and they just let us have it every year. Our garden beds were on opposite sides of the fence so we just basically decided that if the plant grew through the fence, the side the produce was on meant it was yours.
Speaking of spite, HelloFresh are aggressively trying to prevent their workers from unionising, and are the subject of several unfair labour practice charges.
"I don't need a lawyer, i can defend myself in court" is a bit like jumping out of a plane without a parachute because you are sure you can learn to fly on your way down.
The only time self representation is even an option is when the total charges cost less than a lawyer. Traffic court is really about it, and that's assuming you have a genuine argument. I was able to get running a stop sign (fine + points on my license) down to a moving violation (fine + no points) on my own. Spent a whopping total of $185 in fines. The traffic lawyers I contacted wanted $150+ in legal fees and even admitted I would most likely pay some part of the fine. **Wanted to add, I had no previous traffic violations, so the points weren't significant to me other than my pride. Had the verdict determined if I kept my license or not, then I would have lawyer-ed up in a heart beat.
To be fair, sometimes you have to defend yourself because you're a competent defense attorney and the accuser, Redd White of Bluecorp, has blackmail on most of the local justice system officials. But that's one of a few scenarios
Ever had a free solicitor in Australia? If you can't defend better than them... I.e. understand the hungry caterpillar, you most definitely deserve what you're in court for. A full paid lawyer though, no doubt
My father had bought a lake in Colorado years ago . The only access was through a farmers dirt road . The same farmer was also the seller. After selling the lake to my dad the farmer chose to dig up the road making access impossible. When he asked the farmer about it the farmer basically said " too bad " but I'll buy it back from you for xxxx which was about 30 percentless than he had paid. He obviously hadn't heard of my father and how vindictive he can be. Not only did he sue , he also found out that the farmer had been pulling this on people for years. In the end my dad not only got the access to his lake but also all attorneys fees and court costs. He put more salt in the wound by sharing the information with the past victims of the deplorable scam.
I live in a block of flats in the UK and my neighbour complained that "my laugh was too loud" and broke Local Noise Laws... Tried opening criminal proceedings after the police refused to do anything... Apparently, as he soon discovered, "a laugh is a reasonable reaction that does not reasonably breach noise law of ******!"
did yours find that before or after getting to court? Mine did similar over a range of noises she claims to hear from me (none of which anyone else has ever heard) but I had to actually go into the court before it could be dismissed. Like in your case, the police, council etc all refused to do anything, cause there was no noise, but she believed she was hearing noises & so took private action for "offensive noise". Fortunately the judge had a brain & gave her a good talking to about the need for evidence lol (she thought her diary of claimed noise would win her the case & get her the noise order that she wanted to get, so as to use to try to get me evicted), she's a real piece of work my one!
My husband apparently had never heard my "real laugh" until after we were married and living together. The first time he heard it, he ran downstairs and was like, "Are you ok?" "What do you mean?" "I heard you scream." 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
SPEAKING OF SPITE STRUCTURES, there's a rumor going around that ham radio towers can be threatened to be built in negotiations with home owner associations regarding home owner association violations, due to home owner associations having less legal authority than the FCC, and the FCC giving legal support to anyone seeking to build a ham radio tower on their own property. How true is this?
HOAs cannot stop them from being built, but can require that you obtain a permit before hand. Which could be hard if yo are only building it out of spite
I've heard of this, but I can't remember the state. The HOA tried to evict him after many notices, in court the case was thrown out because he had a Ham radio Operators license, which makes his radio communication more important than made up HOA rules.
I told the campus police to wait outside until my radio show was over before I'd speak to them, citing FCC authority as an Emergency Broadcast System operator. And they had to sit out there and wait for my show to be over at 1am lol
The FCC does also point out in the regulations that the tower is proportional to the land it is on. However, if you want to fight an HOA, this is something you can do, and FCC regulations do override HOA rules. Also reminds me of that one commercial where the HOA "Karen" cuts down a mailbox because it was 1in too high. Tampering with a mailbox is a felony.
Although obviously not applicable but maybe still somewhat interesting, in Canada this is true. No one can prevent a ham from erecting a tower up to 15m (50') high. Municipalities try to pass bylaws preventing it all the time, but Industry Canada (our FCC, if you will) always trumps them when they go after a ham for it. Above 15m though, you're at the mercy of your local bylaws and your neighbours' goodwill.
I happened to have a class fairly recently on Medieval cities, and one of the documents I had to read happened to include a law against Spite erection, specifically stating that landowners had the right to build structures that block the view of their own property from their neighbors (unless said neighbor happened to have, in writing, a right to that view)
My rural community is currently undergoing intense gentrification. And as a property owner, I've been toeing the exact edge of every current bylaw on the books. my next door neighbours are totally on board. the folks who just built a multi-million dollar summer home across the way? not so much.
Another interesting example of spite sculptures: After the German far-right politician Björn Höcke complained about the holocaust memorial in Berlin, a group of artists erected a replica thereof on a plot of land they rented next to his house.
Or the guy who bought a house across the street from Westboro Baptist Church and painted it in the colors of one of the inclusionary flags (I forget which one).
I work at a dog treat manufacturer. We had to move our business because of zoning laws, so we did. We moved into an Industrial 1 factory complex and were... I wanna say the second people to move into the complex. This complex was designed to be used for heavy industry... things like glass making and stuff like that. So it was very annoying when we had a yoga studio open up literally next door to us. An entire factory complex... an Industrial 1 factory complex... and they move next door to us. And then start complaining about the smell, because the owners and most of their clientele are vegan. They called us like, once a week about it. Complained frequently to the factory owner about it. At one point they even called the cops to say we were using a dead body for the treats and then called the EPA on us accusing us of dumping toxic material. I do not miss her.
I assume it was low-rent real-estate, due to the proximity to your factory being next-door. Which might be why they did it. Which just goes to show the importance of picking a good location for your business...and that your former neighbor lacked the common sense to check the place out ahead of time.
Robert Frost was being ironic when he wrote "Good fences make good neighbors." The fence in the poem is clearly described as pointless and waste of time for both neighbors. He was poking fun at the neighbor who insisted they repair an old stone wall every year in the woods, even though they had no animals and the wall served absolutely no purpose. A fitting poem to reference given the video's subject.
I wouldn't necessarily say it was irony, but "Mending Wall" is pretty clear on where Frost stands on the issue which is why he has his neighbor say it... twice.
The maxim ‘Good fences make good neighbors’ existed before Frost's poem _Mending Wall,_ and it means what everybody thinks it means. But of course Frost disagreed with it in that poem (which is why it's so ironic that the poem spread it further!).
@@tobybartels8426 it's not ironic that the poem gained popularity. it's a good poem and the saying is dumb so he was right to question it. stop being a bunch of Alanises. I could say, "elves."
Anyone who has worked with, or owned, macaws would see that Tarantino has a hell of a point. They reach 110 decibels without breaking a sweat and go a tit for hours.
you lot are wooses! I mean seriously? 110 decibels? whoopy do! No wonder you lot tend to think Aussies are tough if that's your boundary line! That volume starts at 4am here every morning for 6 months of the year, as the koels & channel bill cuckoos move in, then at dawn 12 months of the year is the flock of brush turkeys fighting on the roof & sounding like a herd of elephants, then we move onto the main event as the cockies & lorikeets do their morning rounds looking for food, followed by a day of intermittent screeching & shredding of our homes. Cockies are 135 decibels btw & it's normal to get 50-100 of them screeching together in flocks & if you leave a door or window open, they invite themselves in & then screech at you if they can't find you, in order to demand food. Likewise they'll figure out which is the bedroom window & sit right outside it & screech at it for hours if the occupant doesn't come out to feed them. Ok, so easy, don't feed them right? Poor person near me's just moved into a unit where the previous owner did feed them, so now they can either feed them or have their fly screens & tv cables & any plants they try to put outside shredded until they comply with their cocky overlord's demands. Meanwhile they're also visiting all other units repeating the same behaviour in order to find a replacement feeder, so it's 2-3 hours a day of non-stop screeching as they go home to home shredding it & screeching for attention. Kinda funny actually, hearing them screeching in one location for half an hour to an hour, then they move 5-10 metres to the next home & repeat, then another 5-10 metres & repeat & so on, so it continues all day everyday, just moving in a big circle. Couple of hours break at times when they clearly have other homes on their feeding schedule, but otherwise right now it's just all day everyday screeching. It's called life, we just deal with it, better than living in a silent concrete jungle!
@@alicianieto2822 google tells me the MAX volume for a Macaw is actually 105 decibels, not the 110 you stated & any site that rates bird noise has them way below cockies & again, we're talking 50-100 at a time here with the wild ones, so rather louder than a single pet parrot wouldn't you say? You also might want to look up the screech of a channel bill cuckoo if you think I'm exaggerating. Notice how I mentioned the lorikeets are around but didn't focus on them? That's cause even though they're as loud as a Macaw, they've got a generally pretty call, not an absolute screech like the cockies, cuckoos & noisy miners have (exception being the thousands to tens of thousands of them together in breeding season's screaming till 1am every night, making it impossible to have a conversation within 50-100 metres of the lines of trees they're in, but those trees are usually around shopping centres, not homes, so again I left that out as it's not really an issue people have to deal with daily). Same with the magpies, they start their calling at 3am in breeding season, loud enough to wake people (and babies) but again, not a horrid sound, so I didn't focus on it. I'm actually being far less dramatic than you are, just the noise here is way beyond anything you can grasp, but again, it's just life here, I'm not complaining about it, but I find a macaw to be an absolute nothingburger & you're extremely lucky if that's the loudest bird you need to deal with in life & kinda sad if you think that's something worthy of a court case! You're also obviously exaggerating badly if you are going to claim that a single macaw will screech for hours, they just don't do that!
When my wife was in college her neighbor (who lived in the apartment 3doors down the hall) complained about "a suspicios looking man entering and exiting" which was me, and actually attempted to have her and her two roomates evicted over it
I guess that's on you for looking sus... ...Lol, just joking. I have no room to talk. I've been mistaken for a homeless guy before...in the neighborhood I grew up in, no less. Got into Pokémon Go, and would wander around a set of stops not far off from my house, headphones on, in a khaki birder's vest (lots of pockets). I have a massive beard (I have never shaved and only had it trimmed once), and rarely left the house for years, so I can understand the confusion, though I prefer to think I look more like an explorer who just wandered out of the jungle. Still, it was pretty funny to see the light go on when I introduced myself to one of my former elementary school teachers, when we crossed paths.
I once worked for a builder. One time we built a spite shed on an acreage for a guy who was in a spat with his neighbour. The story was that when the neighbour found out the shed was going to block his view of the surrounding hills, he went straight to court for an injunction instead of actually walking over and asking about it. The guy we were working for said he would have gladly put it somewhere else so as to not block the neighbour's view had the neighbour asked, but decided "f him" once he saw the summons.
Hearing stories like this makes me so glad I'm lucky to have the neighbors I have. No one really cares what everyone else is doing unless it wind up being dangerous. Which, honestly, that's only happened once. One guy on my street got in trouble for having one of those tent like garage things you seen advertised sometimes. It wasn't the tent thing that we had a problem with, it was that it wasn't anchored to the ground! So if we had a big wind there's a good chance the thing would blow down and smash up a person. We were even concerned it would get blown over with him inside and he'd get hurt or killed! He anchored it and nothing has happened since. There's a sort of unspoken rule that all the kids can play on all the lawns on the street and no one says anything, except that one guy but the kids know to stay away from his house. It's nice when everyone leaves everyone else alone.
In regards to spite fences, a related story I've heard before was about a man who got around the height limit restriction on a fence he wantend built between him and a neighbor by paying to have a 4ft high embankment built on that side of his property first. This allowed him to reach an effective height of 14ft while still technically staying within the 10ft limit on the fence itself.
Haha! That's great. My town had an ordinance that didn't allow a fence over 3' in your front yard. I wanted a privacy fence so our kids could play in the yard. We brought in dirt, raised the yard about 3' above street level with a retaining wall, built a 3' fence on the top, then put a decorative lattice 18" tall on top of said fence. All said and done it was a good 6' above street level all the way around.
May not fly in all cases, because many building codes specify height in terms of “above grade,” and an artificial embankment is considered to be above grade.
Serious question, which I was reminded of during the second case that ended with a judge's comment of "The heart of this case is who's richer than who, I guess..." - have you ever been afraid that proper legal representation - or even legal representation at all - has become gentrified?
Became gentrified? Pretty sure it was baked into the laws and the structure itself as land owning white males were the only people law had to take into account. We've made big strides since then but the requirement of being privileged for access to 'justice" is still in the DNA and can be seen by anyone perusing criminal justice statistics.
Legal representation has 1000% always been like this. Justice has always been easier for the wealthy to get, as well as using the justice system to their advantage. We've made a few strides, with laws/settlement terms that require defendant's legal fees to be paid if they prevail against lawsuits put against them, being entitled to free representation in criminal cases, etc. But all branches of our legal system are still heavily impacted by the quality of your representation, which is determined almost exclusively by how much you can afford to pay for it. Lawyers get the brunt of the hate for this, but it's the shape of our whole legal system that's to blame.
The entire justice system is a class system. The rich/powerful don't get punished or get walk-in the park fines/house arrest in their mansions. Then comes mostly white people, who can afford good lawyers, then comes the middle-class, or can afford okay lawyers, or they have friends, but they often settle if the other person has more money. Then comes the people forced to use an overworked underpaid PD, who may very well be doing the best they can with what they have, but that often isn't much.
Claim: Hostile Architecture used against the homeless counts as Malicious Erections, and needs to be taken down as they are also nuisances to the public
I'm pretty sure you'd have to establish that the public or these homeless individuals have a specific property interest in the "hostile architecture" -- unless they could make some sort of adverse possession claim in the state it seems darn near impossible. Or we could just end homelessness so, ya know, it wasn't so much of a problem.
@@x--. In all fairness, hostile architecture drags away money that could be spent on actual trying to reduce homelessness, and uses it to drive homeless people out of sight more than anything else. Even ignoring that, some hostile architecture actually causes problems for people who aren't homeless; see standing benches, which do not provide adequate support or rest if you have back problems, for example.
@@xxxdumbwordstupidnumberxxx4844 agree with everything you say, was just commenting on the legal reality. Maybe there is some loophole? I hate it every time I see it or worse, have to use it.
@@t_c5266 seems wasteful. Better to use them as feed stock for other animals. Do you think we could give the rich enough entertainment value while also insisting they not damage the feedstock too much leaving it unusable? And could we get them to also handle evictions, so eviction just becomes a synonym for execution? With your winning solutions, you must be leading a Fortune 500 company. Sheesh.
As an ex-pub landlord, I can attest to the “coming to the nuisance” defence in the uk. It’s not uncommon for someone to move in near a pub, knowing it’s a public entertainment venue, and complain to get the business shut down for their peace and quite. Us landlords (most of us, not the minority of idiots) work with the local community (many of whom are our customers) to make sure we respect and don’t undermine the atmosphere and relative tranquility the community around us deserves. That being said, I have myself had someone move in nearby to one of my pubs who claimed he was “noise sensitive”. He wanted the local pubs (he moved in to a property in between my pub and another just 100 yards away) to have their licenses curtailed. He even met with a local councillor. His request was rejected because he knew exactly where he was moving to, and what activity went on there, and before he moved in there were no complaints. Some people are just *&@%s, I guess. But yay for the “coming to the nuisance” defence. He basically wanted the whole community he’d just moved to to change according to his whims, and didn’t care about how the community felt - which was something they made very clear to him (in non-threatening ways, don’t worry. But a lot of F-bombs from members of the community did get served).
The one I like best is the people who move next to a church and then complain about the church bells. (Which, in the UK, could well have been ringing every Sunday for a thousand years.)
A bar and concert venue in Washington DC called "Madam's Organ" has a sign on the front of the building that says, "Sorry, We're Open" because they get frequent complaints from neighbors about the noise from the concerts. Their point is that they have been around since 1993 and anyone moving into the neighborhood has to know that they are there.
Not just UK pubs get complained about, UK Schools and Scout Huts - you know they have young people attending who aren't always quiet - who would have thought?
My previous upstairs neighbors tied their vents to mine during a remodel to save money without my knowledge. My friend is a cancer survivor, moved in with me, and opted for medical marijuana versus pain killers. The neighbors complained about the smell. It's their fault... luckily they are gone!
One of the coolest spite structures that I've heard about was a Rancher who wanted to create a structure for his horses to keep them out of the Sun on one of his pastures. The local government did not allow it. So instead he made a gigantic dinner table and chairs complete with giant size plates and silverware on the top of the table and called it a sculpture which was more than high enough for his horses to shelter under.
I work in a corporate IT department and run a lot of the new hire orientation talks with regards to computer usage policies. My briefings always end with, "Do bad thing and bad things will happen. Do illegal things and legal things will happen. Please, don''t make us give money to lawyers, no one wants that. Any questions?"
@Michael Hegedus I can't speak for all IT departments, and I have certainly worked in places where the IT department carved out inappropriate exceptions for themselves. FWIW - I have had to pull back my information security guys due to a misunderstandings, or an assumption of guilt based on the findings of some automated security tool, on more than one occasion. Most of the time I have managers coming to us asking to get usage information they can review to ensure a problematic employee is doing things like actually working and not committing time card fraud. In almost every case the HR department has prevented us from releasing our findings. We also have to make sure our systems are secure and compliant to certain regulated standards, but the higher ups routine tell certain teams they can have exemptions, often without informing the IT department. I know my experience is not that of every such department. We're not all the same. That said, I'm actively looking to get out of IT in the next few years, because of the BS and double standards involved. I honestly hope you have a good day and that whatever jaded you, and I do not deny that it may very well have been bad enough to warrant your espoused frustrations, never happens to you or around you again. Everyone deserves better than that.
"The most avian legal review on the internets" is a fantastic little gem hiding in the description... And the bit between 10:50-11:55 was wonderfully hilarious!
Did you know that there is a game called Aviary Attorney, inspired by the Ace Attorney series, about bird lawyers practicing in France during the final days of the July Monarchy (1848)?
I refuse to do anything against my neighbors just trying to enjoy their lives, because I've been on the other end of an HOA witch-hunt but if they decided to stop working on motorcycles and picked up a quieter hobby boy howdy my career as a voice over artist and broadcaster would be so much better and less stressful
Are you really a voice actor I'm asking because I'm curious and would like to think of myself as an aspiring one in my own right not that I've done anything yet but one day maybe
A friend's mom got in trouble with her HOA for a very 'Martha Stewart' paint pallete without approval. They demanded she repaint. She painted the whole-ass house black, top to bottom.
I’ve heard a story about someone in my town painting brightly colored polka dots on one side of their house and not putting up any fences or trees to cover it so that the neighbor on that side of their house saw obnoxiously color dots every time they looked out the window, I’ve also heard of neighbors who get into arguments about their holiday decorations because one house will be covered with blinking lights and Santa’s and snowmen that all light up super bright and blink enough to need a seizure warning and all the surrounding houses will have a snowman or reindeer in the yards or just a couple strings of twinkle lights that aren’t too bright and don’t blink, so they get into arguments over what decorations are festive and what ones are unsafe.
Here's a little property dispute from my own life: in my childhood home, our back door neighbor was quite handy and offered to install our shared fence himself. Great, right? Well he moved the property markers several feet, making his own yard larger and ours smaller. We had just hand sprinklers installed, then low and behold once the fence was up he had some sprinklers watering his yard on our timer. It was an awkward and embarrassing situation, I believe the only resolution we got was that he paid to have the sprinkler line adjusted so it was on our side of the fence.
So Minnie locked off and blocked off the driveway with an electronic gate only her family had access to, but the old man was found in contempt for narrowing the driveway?!
I"ve always heard it phrased "Anybody who represents themself has a fool for a client." I think it's a little bit punchier that way, because sometimes it takes people a second.
@Michael Hegedus abuse an elderly deficient man that is also a army veteran and a heart transplant survivor things like that make me angry, the man pass true hell most of his life and then get S*** on by some rich woman that prob never had to deal with am actual life difficult the entire life
@@MarsRedPlanet1914 I agree she shouldn't have done that, but cancer is a really traumatic experience. It's not something you choose, there's no purpose to it, and it can seriously change your life even if you survive. My grandma had lung cancer. My grandpa was a doctor and was able to catch it early, but she still spent the rest of her life held back by an oxygen tank, and she died young due to subsequent complications. For those less lucky, it is a slow and painful death that takes parts of you away peice by peace. It can chemically change your mind to the point where family members don't even recognize you. She wasn't good to him, but there's some lines you just don't cross.
My grandad built a spite statue. His neighbors built an atrocious steel fence to block out deer. He offered to pay for a more elegant fence, but they declined. So he bought a 17 foot tall goose statue, put it on an industrial turntable, and draped it in Christmas lights. For the next five years, every morning he would go outside and "flip the bird" to his neighbors until they moved.
I had wonderfull neighbors on three of four orthogonal sides of my childhood house (Left, Right, and Front) and the neighbors behind us where an absolute nightmare. They where horrible. Every weekend they would place large speakers on their porch and play this ear splitting traditional Mexican music (think Mexican hat dance) that would reverberate throughout the neighborhood. But neither my family, nor any other neighbors lodged any complaints… Now, First a little backstory: growing up Me and my grandfather would engineer and build various projects, of all sizes, variants and complexity. One of which was a fort. It was a pine construction of std lumber, about 18’ off the ground with four standoff’s with an access ladder on one side, which was retractable. One week we received two letters, one from an attorneys office giving notice of the neighbors filing for an injunction with the town to have the fort removed because it was to close to their property line, the other was from the town itself essentially scheduling a visit from an inspector contracted by the town. The problem they had was that we built it to to both building and property codes, so to make a long story short the fort stayed. But they where out for blood now. We received numerous additional complaints against our deck, our sheds, the pool, etc. one of which was that our sheds where ALSO to close to their property line. The current statute stated all structures of this type where supposed to be 4’ minimum off the property line… when the sheds where built (back in the 70’s) my grandparents had different neighbors in the back, with whom they where very close with and that neighbor actually assisted my grandfather in building the sheds. In short they where about 3’ off the property line, so we had to jack the sheds up and place them on steel rollers to roll them forward to comply with the 48” to the fence line… Here’s where it becomes brilliant though, during all of this apparently every official just assumed the fence line was the defined property line and a surveyor was never tasked with explicitly verifying/defining this… when my grandfather moved the sheds, finally a surveyor WAS contracted and it turned out the fence line encroached onto OUR property by about 1.5’, since originally the previous neighbors which I spoke about had another fence surrounding their yard, which the new residents removed, and it was discovered the deck they erected for their pool was actually to close to OUR property line… something which was much more difficult to move than a couple of sheds… So they made a compromise. My grandparents said they won’t push for any action with any set time period so long as you guys stop with the music blaring all the time and refrain from anymore spiteful claims… they agreed and I don’t recall us having any more issues. The guy did eventually have to modify/move his pool deck but I recall him doing it at a much later date.
"You wouldn't think a driveway could be a source of conflict" It's never *not* been a source of conflict for me after i started living in town. For half the year, we have alternate side parking so if possible, you want a driveway. The first place i stayed, there was an argument about who could use the driveway for the length of time i wouldn't be in the state. I could either take my car and the other person i was going with would be fined for their car not moving for a few days, or i could get use of the driveway and my roommate would have to alternate park for those few days. I won that one. I had a landlord that had a massive 2 car garage with room to spare that we weren't supposed to use (it was storage for large things they sold at estate sales). Which meant they had to be able to access it at any time without giving us enough notice to get home and move our cars when we were on campus. Same landlord, different house, except it was boats instead of estate items. When i stopped renting and bought a house, there was really only one house in my price range that had a garage/driveway. But it's a shared garage (property line directly down the middle) and the other property is rented (they've been there for years, much longer than i). But the neighbors/their guests constantly blocked the driveway or parked on my side so i could not get in or out. After about a year of my reminding them that i needed to be able to *go* places, they stopped doing so for the most part. For the most part. Sometimes they park their vehicles so close to the actual entrance that i would be scraping paint trying to get out. Only once did i end up calling the cops because i had no way to get them to move the vehicle in the way (they didn't answer the door for me or the cop, but answered their phone when a reverse search was done on the plate) and i was not going to get the vehicle towed without doing my due diligence first.
I had a guy down the street who would get people parking in front of his garage all the time. He'd hook them up to his truck, drag them into the middle of the street, and call the cops. People would only make the mistake ONCE. I'm not sure it was legal but the cops thought it was funny and he kept doing it.
Talking about driveways I'm remembering that in the Spanish laws it's stated that a driveway must be "wide enought to fit two horses". It was redacted in the middle ages and hasn't been changed since.
@@podemosurss8316 Oh my god, that could leave a *lot* of wiggle room for laywers to fight over. Does that law mean "Falabella" or "Clydesdale"? Or do we have to see the law in its historical context and look and what horsebreeds the people who wrote the law owned? Do we need to comission a historical and biological study to find the exact size of the animal and study that probably extinct breeds exact space requirements? Is there a national or EU standard for this? If so, which one takes precedent? What is legally a horse, do ponies and and mules count? What about wild horses? How do we interpret "fit two horses"? Does that mean "can walk next to each other quite closely" or does that mean "wide enough for them to drink, eat and rest while they are not used by their owner"? Is the requirement to be wide enough for two horses meant to include "when hauling a wagon", because then they walk further apart? What about when the ground is not level or uneven? Does that affect the stance of a horse and therefore alter the requirements? Do different wall/fence types and heights next to the driveway make the horses act differently? Basing a standard on a living organism is probably the worst thing you can do. Unless you are a lawyer given the chance to do so. Because lawyers many generations down the line will still be praising your name for the job security you provided them - and yes, there will be scholarships and yearly awards named after you.
Objection! "Mending Wall," the Robert Frost poem containing the good fences line mentioned, is actually specifically about how walls create negative boundaries between people, rather than building trust or good relationships (even if the act of construction can theoretically be a bonding moment).
I live in a small town in Australia, working in real estate law for a little bit. Our lecturer told us the story of a set of houses in the rich part of town that have roofs that are permanently encroaching upon each other as the houses were stepped down a hill. From what I've heard, they still haven't resolved or resurveyed the property lines, the new owners just deal with it. Which is kind of refreshing.
The _second_ most famous spite fence might be the one at old Shibe Park in Philadelphia, former home of the Athletics baseball team. When the stadium was built in 1909 it sat across North 20th Street from a row of houses, who's owners could watch games for free from beyond the short right field fence, a situation similar to Wrigley Field in Chicago. For the first couple of decades the A's had no issues with this arrangement, as the top team in the American League (the Yankees before the Yankees, so to speak) they never had trouble drawing crowds. (At their very first game at Shibe they had to _turn away_ thousands of would-be-paying fans!) But as their star players retired, the Great Depression hit and attendance fell, suddenly things changed and the A's saw the people watching from across 20th Street as a threat to their bottom line. So in 1935, the team built an ugly, corrugated, 34-foot metal wall all the way across right field, permanently blocking the view of the field from the homes. It wound up backfiring in a big way: as it turned out "Connie Mack's spite fence", named for the long-time A's manager (though it was actually owner Ben Shibe's idea), would permanently damage the team's relationship with the neighborhood; and after 20 more seasons of mediocre-at-best baseball in front of dismal crowds, the A's finally packed up and moved to Kansas City in 1954, then again to Oakland in 1968, where they remain to this day (for now at least). The stadium itself lived on, being used by the National League's Phillies until 1970, finally being torn down in 1976 and eventually being replaced with a church. In my opinion the ultimate irony is that those very same houses who's view was blocked by the spite fence are still standing today, now having outlived Shibe Park and the Philadelphia Athletics by over a half-century.
I used to have a blue throated macaw, and that one that you showed there was actually *VERY* quiet. They can let out an ear piercing scream. Mine also called people assholes all the time.
When I lived in New Orleans it seemed that every year a new resident of The Cabildo would complain to the local media or in court about the street performers causing a public nuisance. There was a years long waiting list to get a condo in The Cabildo…
I have been exceedingly lucky with neighbors in my current residence. I've lived here for just short of 11 years (Feb. would make 11, and my roommate has been here for I think 37) we've had 3 sets of neighbors since I've been here and all of them have been really neat in their own ways. And I can't recall any stories from Anne (my roommate) about bad or even not helpful and friendly neighbors. Now that being said we both have to move by Jan. 1st and I have a sneaking suspicion that we (or I, as she's moving to her parents to help with her mother) will be hit with some cold hard reality. And so nervously I cross my fingers in hopes my streak continues.
My aunt and uncle with their 14 children had a grumpy old man living next door that was an absolute a-hole to everyone in the neighborhood, even to the point of calling the cops on kids and spreading rumors (not the everyday kind that probably aren't illegal, serious claims like someone was molesting a kid or something). They had a tree growing in their front yard in the corner near this neighbor's plot, one year it died (or got struck by lightning or something) but for some reason instead of taking down the entire thing they just took all the branches off and left the trunk in place. For years he'd complained about it, so one Halloween their eldest son (#3 in our small nation of cousins) decorated the tree as an effigy of that grumpy old man. He was pissed off enough about it that he came out and wrecked it, and summarily got cited for tresspass and vandalism because another neighbor saw him doing it and thought it'd be poetic justice.
@@josephpostma1787 NOISE !!! And trespass, and accidental damage, and fourteen seperate groups of friends hanging out, and - when the kids get older - cars (don't tell me their drive can accommodate 14+ vehicles). A family that large, unless living on a plot _at least_ an acre in size, is an imposition upon their neighbours.
As I watched the beginning of this video, I couldn't help but think of a house I drive by on my way to work every day. Imagine my surprise when, at the end of the video, I saw that same house (and middle finger) showcased. It's a small and spiteful world we live in, a good sense of humor goes a long way! Shout out to VT viewers out there.
Even when you like your neighbors, there are times when getting a variance from the city can be a real chore. Both my neighbors and I wanted an 8 foot fence for a section between our houses where the windows kind of looked from one house into the other. The city ordnance generally limiting us to a 6 foot high fence was insufficient because the houses are both raised up about 2 feet from ground level, creating only an effective 4 foot fence of visual separation. In order to get the variance, we had to pay a few hundred dollars to apply for the variance, a couple hundred more to have the city send a letter to both us and the neighbors asking if we approved, a little bit more for a notary public who needed to witness our responses, then a "processing fee" that somehow was not the same as the application fee. We're happy with the end result, but the process of getting a very short section of 8 ft. high fence took 5 months, and cost just under a thousand bucks.
I wonder if the city would have done anything if you'd just built the fence without them knowing. Not that that's the right way to go about it, but sounds like the official process could be greatly simplified. Or at the least, not so incredibly expensive.
Definitely a case where you could have just built the fence and not bothered with permission. Since you and the neighbour were the only ones legally able to make a complaint.
My parents had something like this happen. The small house next door got bought up and a massive mcmansion put in its place. Of course the mcmansion doesn’t really fit, is raised well off its foundations so the lights & windows stare down directly into my parent’s house, and worst of all they kept putting boards on our fence so it would look like “nicer” (this was worst because it would have inevitably resulted in internal rot of the fence, a fence we’d just replaced a year prior). I really wish I’d known more about these city ordinances at the time, because otherwise we’d probably have filed some official complaints.
someone where I lived moved in near a shooting range out in the country that had been there for over 50 years, and then started bringing complaints that they could hear gunfire during the day. the local township basically just told them that they had to deal with it, since the shooting range had been there for much longer and there's no way they wouldn't have known about it before moving in.
My neighbors tried to say my driveway wasn’t a driveway so they built a fence right on the property line to try to get us to not park there. Jokes on them, my car still fits just fine
I learned about property lines when mom scolded me for picking lemons off our neighbor's side of the tree. It's a big tree that's right on the fence so half of it is on our property and half is on hers, so we should only pick from our side. The little old lady next door was very nice and probably wouldn't have minded, but it was good manners nonetheless.
I have a macaw. It sounds louder than that :) Seriously though, if the guy's bird(s) is/are screaming 7 hours a day, there's a bigger issue happening that goes beyond annoying the neighbours. Animal control should pay a visit.
but you know what people are like if they don't like a noise I'm sure, if it squawks once every hour or so over that 7 hours, they'll claim it's 7 hours straight of squawking. My lorikeets "scream" for about 7 hours a day - each time wild ones fly over or sit in the trees making social calls, they give a reply call. It's part of life & normal for birds, they're no more noisy than any of the local wild birds that they consider as part of their flock
I’m not perfect. I try to be a good neighbor. Some folks I like more than others but I always tried to never have conflicts or disputes. If someone irks me I try to stay away from them. I also try to look the other way. My neighbor who just passed away was a wonderful woman. However, she had hired some guy who cleaned out the leaves in her gutter by putting them in my gutter. I knew this and never said a word to her. I told a guy who helped clean my gutter to just get all the leaves out and lets move on. When she recently passed away I was really proud of taking the high road and just being nice to her.
OBJECTION "Yes you actually get 14 free meals" No you don't. You get discounts on each meal over a period of time that adds up to free meals. It's not getting a free meal.
Another objection: I still have to put up with annoying neighbors without food since Hello Fresh does not deliver to this area. We can't even get the post office to leave our packages at the front gate. We have to go to town to pick them up every time.
At once the discount expires, the meals become VERY expensive, and frankly not worth it. I cancelled a couple of weeks after the discount ended, once I did the math.
Always love me some puns, Devin. Also in case anybody out there needs to be told, the "Never represent yourself in court" thing still applies, even if you are a lawyer in the field of law you specialize in.
I honestly can’t imagine fighting with my neighbours like that, we literally share food and stuff so often that we have “mystery” dishes where we don’t know which house they came from originally.
I lived on a farm during a drought, and my neighbours' neighbour had a big concrete water tank, less than 10% of which encroached onto his other neighbours property. Couldn't have been more than two square meters out of several hundred acres. The bastard came and punctured a hole in the tank in his 10%
Oh boy. This brings back memories. I worked in land surveying for about six years and property line disputes, encroachment, etc. were a frequent source of work for us. Some of them got... heated.
We had neighbors who were running a crack house. It was an unforgettable night when an ATF team arrived in full tactical gear and kicked their door down. They were led out in handcuffs. Their house was in such deplorable condition (they were renting but the landlord lived in another state and didn’t care) that it was torn down and a new house built in its place. Peace and quiet was restored to the neighborhood once again. ❤️
There's one crazy stories out of Canada on this topic, including a multi-year dispute that involved dogs getting "de-barked" (surgical vocal cord removal), another with painted obscenities directed at one another and most recently, 2 ladies in BC who I think we're neighbours but I'm not even sure if there was any property dispute or if they just didn't like one another, but one of them ended up stabbing the other one IN THE COURTHOUSE when they arrived for a hearing.
A Matt Risinger (Buildshow) plug! Nice! As a licensed California Land Surveyor, great job discussing the boundary and easement issues and the significant costs associated with them. Spot on!
My husband assisted undoing and redoing an unpermited attic living space because the client’s neighbor used his telescoping lens to see into the house and sued my husbands client instead of just turning him into the village building department. This was in one of the richest suburbs around Chicago…
As someone that works for a fence company, I can say spit fences are pretty common. My favorite was an old man that was first to buy in a new subdivion, through a loophole he never joined the HOA or signed any of their contracts. He had a fence that went against what the HOA allowed and they bothered him for years to remove it/ change it, but again he wasn't part of the HOA so they could make him. In 2018 he got tired of the harassment and hired us to take down his fence and install a new one. He took down his wooden picket fence and installed a white Vinyl privacy fence. Now this may not seem too bad, but the HOA hated vinyl fences and white fences. And for those that don't know white vinyl can be VERY bright (almost blindingly so) when the sun hits it right. So now the HOA members have this large obnoxious fence in their sea of small black fences. The best part is that he moved out of that house a few months later, never sold the house and it just sits empty as a middle finger to the HOA.
Hahaha! Awesome. Thanks for the chuckle.
KARMA is so entertaining. 😁👍
My parents installed white vinyl fences and its so bright it gives me bad headaches.
I salute this man!! HOA's are fascists and any revenge against one is always appreciated.
I’ve never heard a story where an HOA isn’t the very worst
I bought my first house about a year and a half ago. A few weeks after moving in, my neighbor to the back knocked on my door and asked if he could use my driveway, hill, and gate at the back of my property to unload some grazing cattle for a couple months. I had wondered why there was a gate installed between two properties, now I had my answer. He and the previous owners of my house had an arrangement for access; a verbal easement, I guess? Either way, I happily told him "sure!" It was the easiest access to the land he needed the cattle on, so why not?
Fast forward to him picking up said cattle while I was at work, to return them to whereever they came from. I come home to find a note on my door from him, apologizing for rutting my grass on the way out. I looked out the back, and there was fresh-laid sod neatly flushed in where he had rutted the grass.
I bought him a case of beer as a thank-you for his honesty and integrity.
My neightbors are pretty awesome.
You and your neighbor are the good in the world ❤
I read this thing expecting there to be a catch. Wholesome.
Your lucky
I wish I could come in from the back door and graze on your lands! 😫
Well that was wholesome.
I remember reading a story about a man who wanted to build a ten-foot fence on his property, but he was only legally allowed to have a five-foot fence, so he built a five-foot concrete wall and built his five-foot fence on top of it. The town council tried to sue him for having a ten-foot fence, but the court found him innocent, since the fence itself was only five feet tall.
Big-brain move.
galaxy brain
Technically legal… the best kind of legal
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That doesn't look like a true story. A fence is a fence, no matter if it is a concrete wall or a wooden barrier. I think a court would more likely be like "that's a 10 foot fence, don't be a smartass".
Reminds me of the story from here in the UK where city council members wouldn't approve planning permission for a house to be built on a plot of waste ground in the city, conveniently directly opposite the city council building.
Finally the guy gave up and instead applied for and got permission to install a water tank on the land, or at least they assumed it was a water tank, the documents only specified "tank" not what kind, so they were surprised when one day they found an old decommissioned soviet era tank sat on the land, gun pointed directly at the office of the people responsible for planning permission.
Cue "you cant have that there!", followed by "yes I can, here's the paperwork you signed to say so" and since its become a point of interest and been repainted to be a work of art.
Legend!
Tank you!
Here's another stupid Planning Department decision. A friend who's a builder brought an old house with a lot of land on the edge of a village. He applied for permission to build 4 houses on part of the land and was turned down, so 6 months later he re-applied for 2 houses and was again turned down. A year later he applied for permission to build a brick barn and had it approved. 3 months later he applied to have the barn (that he hadn't built yet) converted into apartments and the plan was granted.
@@MKAdamski Bureaucracy in it's final form.
@@Vohlfied You think that? Ever been to Germany?
I moved into a new house about a decade ago and my new neighbor greeted me and seemed quite friendly. He was doing some landscaping work and asked me for a small favor and we had a nice chat. He said his old neighbor was a complete A-hole and the two fought constantly like cats and dogs and he was really glad to have someone like me. Well after he had completed his landscaping I saw he had not only redone his yard but a small part of mine as well. He even literately planted a flagpole in my yard. I debated how to handle this. On one hand he really seemed nice and the property he claimed really could have been a honest mistake, on the other hand I worried that this was a sign of things to come and I should put my foot down now. However overall I valued my relationship with my neighbor far more than a little bit of land so I just ignored it. I mean he did genuinely seem nice. Turns out I had the right instinct in this case. He and his family turned out to absolute angels. No one would believe me if I mentioned even a few things they have done for me but lets just say he makes Ned Flanders seem like a bad neighbor. And a bout a year latter he must have realized his earlier mistake because I came home to see that he had moved his flagpole and paid a landscaper to fix the part of my lawn that he had relandscaped to match my lawn.
Well that was quite neighborly of him.
seems like a good dude
That story turned out better than I thought it was going to! I'm glad.
fyi, if he had just left his encroachment, and you did not object, there is usually a sort of 'statute of limitations' where the one occupying and maintaining the land without objection then has legal roght to it.
@@nonyabizness.original that concept is kind of crazy to me, that if you claim something as yours for long enough that it can eventually become yours. I guess it's a little more acceptable if it's regarding a small patch of land that is next to the main parcel of land but I keep seeing these news stories about guests who overstay their welcome or squatters who take over an empty home that's for sale. That should be outright illegal. I don't know how or why some states have laws protecting their behavior - the only thing that logically makes sense is if those laws were made to protect tenants from being wrongfully evicted but if that's the case then those laws should be specific to people who have rental contracts. Not squatters who show up and say "I live here now".
My family sort of has a spite fence on our property. Basically, the previous resident didn't like the HOA's decision to ban fences in our neighborhood. He called his extended family to erect a fence around the entire property before the HOA could properly submit this new rule on the following Monday.
As a result, my family now has the only fenced in backyard on our street and we're perfectly within our rights to maintain that fence. Haha!
"Come for the legal analysis, stay for the terrible puns." You did it, Devin. You summarized your entire channel and fanbase in one sentence!
This is the type of content I sub for.
11:24 "There's actually all sorts of things that you can build out of spite," is my favorite bit of wordplay on this one.
No coverage of Rittenhouse case? In a parallel universe this guy would have been "prosecutor" Binger.
I love how he didn’t even let the pun sink in before celebrating, he was just so excited
Sounds a lot like the tagline for Medlife Crisis
On spite fences, here in Sydney some years ago there was a famous case of someone who bought a home with harbourside views - except for a set of 100year old trees on local council land blocking that view. The trees mysteriously all suddenly died - noone could prove it was the buyer so the county lost the court case. But the council decided that the replacement seedlings needed an extremely ugly permanent 7 metre high razor wire protective fence to prevent a recurrence ....
One of my favorite spite structure stories is actually that of a giant table and chairs in a livestock pasture. The owner just wanted a lean-to for his stock to get in out of the rain, but the plans were denied multiple times. So he built a massive kitchen table with two chairs instead. Big enough the stock could stand under them and be dry. Totally legal. 😂
Were the chairs huge too?
@@yourinnerlawyer4035 Massive. The animals stood under them happily
U can google the picture. Funny af
@@mahuk. Aww, man. I mean... It's still cool, but you also just broke my heart lol
@@thetomlette7720 No worrys, in Austria there is also a set of a table with four chairs sheltering hourses for that exact reason. They tried to don't give him permission so he just put a table there.
I read about one very lovely spite construction recently. Due to a dispute with a Home Owners Association, a resident built a small structure in his backyard. A bat colony. Where several thousand bats immediately moved in. And because bats are a protected species, the HOA could do nothing about removing the offending structure.
That must have drove the HOA batty. Did you become known as the Bat Man?
Gee, I'd do that anyway. Bats are cool. Keep it adjacent to the beehive. 😁
@@grmpEqweer My neighbor has several beehives and it's not too big of a deal. I hardly notice the bees most of the time, except occasionally when my dogs try to eat them.
@@xitaris5981
Bees just aren't that aggressive, especially if they're captive-bred bees. The wild ones around here may be a bit Africanized, so a rescued swarm might be a bit rambunctious.
And BONUS no insects
I used to work in animal care, rescuing illegally captured birds, reptiles, and mammals from the exotic pet trade. I've had the pleasure of working in aviaries full of Macaws and other parrots. I can think of no greater hell than having any number of Macaws in my home.
Our family had a salmon-crested cockatoo when I was younger. Thank God we didn't keep him indoors. You could hear that damn bird miles away. They're one of the loudest birds on the planet with calls up to 129db. Your ears would be ringing if he was excited or pissed off.
@@debshaw680 I love them in the wild.
I'd call Colonel Sanders...
Rawwr Rob I know someone that has a huge Moluccan cockatoo and he’s a lot of fun, but when he’s bored or angry (which is often) the sounds he makes are deafening.
Then their little Galah cockatoo starts screaming at the Moluccan to “shut up! Shut up! You’re too loud! Shut up! Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup SHUT UUUUUUUPPPPP!”
I don’t understand how they live with it. I start getting a migraine and have to step outside or leave.
They fully admit that they live on several acres so that they don’t have neighbors complaining about how loud their birds are.
😂 for 20+ years I am owned by a very loving Blue & Gold Macaw. I am blessed that She is mostly happy & quiet. Although, She doubles as an intruder/visitor alarm & gets entirely jealous if I attempt to talk on the phone.
For those who may not be aware: Birds make noise as the Sun sets to locate everyone before dark of night & again at Sun rise Birds call out to one another to check on each Other's welfare.
Again, I am very blessed that My Macaw sleeps in until She hears Me up around.... And since I have a habit of speaking to Her via breakfast & water change, She doesn't alarm in the morning. 🦜❤️
FYI, Macaws are said to have the mentality of a 3 year old toddler. An African Grey are said to have the mentality of a NINE YEAR OLD CHILD. 😳
I knew of a woman in Salem, Mass that owned a home. The HOA got upset because she painted the ceiling of her front porch blue. The HOA said the color was incorrect for the year the house was built and she had to repaint it. Now, to seethe color you had to be standing ON the porch (it couldn't be seen from the street at all.)
So, in the best act of retaliation I have ever heard of, she repainted not only the porch ceiling but the entire house, trim, window panes, front door, and steps in a paint that was practically pumpkin orange. It was historically accurate as it was based on an iron oxide paint that was used at the time.
My neighbor is the mayor's son. He bought an beautiful old Victorian house for close to 3 Mil. and tore it to the ground. He is also trying to make the other neighbors move out so he can buy their house, tear it down and build a helicopter pad. Yes, in the middle of a neighborhood. My favorite part if this story is how he was married for 15ish years with 4 kids, cheated the entire time and you know how he was caught? Having s*x in the movie theater with his ENTIRE family 2 rows behind them while he had claimed to be at work. The day the divorce was finalized he proposed to his girlfriend on the COURT HOUSE STEPS!!! safe to say EVERYONE hates him
Is the mayor good or is the entire family hated
Did she accept the proposal tho?
@@littleloner1159 I would expect so! Imagine how rich she will be when she divorces him in a year or so!
We only have one approved certified electrician. An ex- disgraced politician's son. 🙄
@@Yesyas7283
It's hard to imagine how the son would've learned such behavior anywhere else than home.
As a Bay Area resident, it makes me worryingly happy to hear that the Young family finally cashed in on their land the year before the Crocker Mansion burned down.
i'd call that good timing
They got good money and screwed them over at the same time.
i actually "LOL"d over that!!!
Bruh, no neighbours are worse then mine
I wonder how the fire started...
When I moved into my new house, on a new subdivision, there were very few fences in the neighborhood. My wife is a very private person, so we hired a company to put one up. They had just begun when they got a phone call from an unidentified neighbor, saying the fence they were erecting was a style that went against the "legal covenant" attached to the property, specifying what sort of fences are allowed, and they should halt. The contractor told me about the phone call and asked what he ought to do. I told him I had no idea what the neighbor was talking about, so just finish the job. He did, and its a beautiful fence.
In the meantime, I pulled out the mortgage and title to the property, documents we'd signed just a few months before. There was nothing in them about construction covenants, or any stipulations at all. And since then we've never been contacted by any neighbors about it. In fact, the only thing we've heard from the neighbors nearby is that they like the type of fence we chose.
They didn't do anything after you built it? No follow up?
@@yourinnerlawyer4035 Nope. Never even identified themselves. Just a weird anecdote now.
Did you get the phone number? You can follow up on it and find out who called. Doesn't sound like a big deal thought
@@MISTAKEWASMADE4live No. But I found a Facebook group for our neighborhood. Full of people fighting over whether we have covenants, what that means if we do, and who is enforcing them or not enforcing them. I have decided to ignore them.
If you don’t mind me asking, what type of fencing did you get?
My family built a spite fence, you could call it, let me know what you think. We had obnoxious rich neighbors who would always bitch when our front lawn got a little long. (My mother was a single mom raising two young boys who was working full time and in graduate school full time when I was young, and the grass was often not her top priority.) So there was a history and tension, mainly on their side with them hating us. They would also drag their lawn debris, garbage, and recycling out to the front of OUR HOUSE next door instead of their own so they could keep their front yard looking pretty and make sure they had an extra parking space.
Anyhow, years ago they built this humongous third story addition which at the time towered over anything else on the street and was gaudy and obnoxious (& unnecessary for the 2 people living there at the time.) Next, they added in an outdoor shower in a small corridor along the side of their house. The way they built it though, the door was a couple inches over the property line into our yard. They would open the door up and when opened the door would extend FIVE FEET into our yard, and they would use this thing frequently as we lived near the beach. It really did bother us greatly. My mom called after less then a week had passed and had a company come and put a fence up along the property line. It was a six foot solid wooden fence that completely, 100% blocked the door of the outdoor shower from entrance or exit. To this day I find it hilarious that my mom did that. She was not in the wrong or being malicious, she was merely preventing herself from getting taken advantage of by our upper class, retired pompous ass neighbors who thought she deserved less respect and consideration than anyone else due to her being a divorced single mom with, in their opinion, neglected property to begin with. It isn't like my mom owns a trailer, it is a half a million dollar home, the lawn just gets tall. Anyhow, if anyone reads this tome I just typed let me know if you think she was in the right or wrong.
I think your mom can handle herself.
I think your mom showed amazing restraint in building a fence rather than committing (richly-deserved) arson
I don't know the specifics, but seems like your neighbors could have easily built their shower in a way that the door didn't open onto your property. So I think your mom was justified. I just hope no one was in the shower when they put up the fence!
Definetly the right
What a great conversation it must have been with the contractor.
"Yeah I'm booked till next month."
"You don't understand, they just installed this shower and it would block their door completely. [Insert their nasty previous actions]"
"Wow, what bastards. And this thing swing 5ft into your yard?"
"Yup."
"I think I can get a couple of the boys for some OT and knock a fence out this week."
"Fantastic. I'll grab some beers for your hard work!"
One day right after I bought my home, and before moving in, my dad, sister and I went to the house. As we arrived my sister noticed the neighbor had a flower garden that obviously extended into my yard. My sister and I started to discuss what I should do about informing my neighbor that was now my property. My dad said to us, “I think you two should shut up, it’s the best looking part of the yard.” We all laughed. I never did say a word to the nice lady next door about her flower garden crossing onto my property. We lived for many years without any conflict. She was a truly nice lady that sometimes baked brownies and brought them over to share. I’m glad I never mentioned anything about her flower garden.
"Being annoying is not a crime...even though, it definitely should be." 😂 This gets me every time when an attorney says it.
If you think the wheels of justice grind slowly now, try criminalizing being annoying and see what happens.
@@elizabethsohler6516 No, thank you.
@@booneguy Precisely!
I felt this comment when he mispronounced “Bangor” 😂
@@elizabethsohler6516I mean, they already criminalized being loud.
Easements are always fun, my grandpa was a lineman for Northern States Power and they always had trouble doing maintenance work in one of the wealthier cities nearby. The homeowners never wanted to let them have access to their back yards or trim up any trees that were growing in to their power lines. That is until a storm comes through an knocks out everyone's power.
Nobody wants to see infrastructure until they need more infrastructure. They do not want service and equipment boxes visible but they want the latest fiber optic internet. They want the fastest and greatest G number on their cell phone but will be the first at the town hall meeting to say no to cell towers. They want stable electricity but will always come against tree trimming or new power lines.
We have one of those green power company boxes on our land, And in winter if the snow gets deep try to clear around it a bit just in case the utility needed to get in there.
Used to do door-to-door sales for a big cable company, which works easements for direct selling into all of its terms. Legally protected annoying you in your home, they're some fun stuff
Exactly what a friend of mine tells me every time. And I live in Germany. 😂
When I was a kid our neighbors tried to sue my family under an obscure law that stated it was illegal to keep a animal for slaughter in a basement with the intent to eat it. They just didn't like that we had a pet pig that we let sleep in the living room.
I love pigs (not to eat) they're clean, what do they care. If it was a pet you didn't intend to eat it
Do your neighbors live in your living room? What goes on in your house is your business. I love pigs.
You should've raised the same complaint against their dog(s) and/or cat(s).
@@jfbeam Or kids
@@catsplat1272 depending on where you live, you may not keep livestock in a residential area.
We had to take our neighbours to court - twice! Once for the ruling and the second time to ENFORCE the ruling because they hadn't complied within the mandated timeframe.
All because the huge branches their trees were dropping on our house and yard were damaging our roof and endangering our safety, and they refused to do anything about it.
But if you touch the tree, they sue you... I know it. 😕
My neighbor told me about the danger of a tree in my yard because it was dropping limbs. I agreed and started getting bids immediately. The day before removal a storm came through dropping a large branch in their yard barely missing the house and shed. He thanked me for getting rid of it.
Up where I live the tree that enters your property is yours to do with as you please. So I can cut my neighbour's tree limbs that encroach over my yard.
Sheesh...glad I have sane neighbors. The family next to us happily split the bill on repairing the fence between our properties after a storm blew in.
Most townships allow you to cut from heavens to hell on your property. Must be a bizarre town.
My family recently had to replace a broken section of fence we share with our neighbors, we simply informed them we wanted to do so, and they gave their consent while agreeing to pay about 35% of the costs. No fuss, just quick and easy
Several years ago I just start my police training (day 2 or 3) when I woman came to the our station to complain about trespassers. Knowing I maybe out of my element I called over a senior officer on desk duty for surgery for help. Turns out utility workers were coming to her back yard to read her meter. Even that early in my career I understood utility company would need to send people into backyards to read meters. We try to explain this to the woman would went on a long rant about property lines. And on that day I realize this would be the bulk of my police career so far.
I worked for my local GIS department for a few years. The biggest issue we saw with land borders is that we can rarely be certain exactly where they are. Surveys drawn in the 1800s, natural landmarks changing, and better technology to survey with actually change the lines slightly. I was tasked with re-drawing the lines for the whole county. I usually wouldn’t change the lines much if it was too much trouble, for this exact reason. At a certain point, it matters more how people are actually using the land today, not the best math of a man in 1929 with a compass and a can-do attitude.
Edit: this is why the maps you find online for your property are not legally binding.
My sister had to deal with property disputes when she wanted to install a fence around her yard that required the removal of a boulder half on her neighbors yard. However, it hilariously backfired when it was determined that her property extended ~6 feet into "their" yard.
Free decorative boulder!
@@DragynGirl that's a nice boulder.
We're in a similar situation. We're renting to own a house from relatives and they noticed after they had moved out, and prior to us moving in, the neighbors installed a fence between are properties. Since they DIYd it they weren't very accurate. We found the original land survey and between our two garages we both have a shared gravel parking. It fits three comfortably (squeezes 4). It's currently split evenly, but in the official survey, the fence sits at two thirds. So they're supposed to have one parking space, while we have two. If we sell in the future we'll muscle out our 2 spots as parking is worth its weight in gold around here, but for now we only use the one anyways so we let em have it.
@@clueless_cutie Just beware of adverse possession
@@nyssiaeiko3476 I was going to comment this as well. If you "let it lie" it may become de-facto theirs.
I have worked directly with a Land Surveyor for almost 20 years. The most common job we get is neighbors fighting over property lines. Though I am surprised you didn’t mention adverse possession which says an object or line has been there for so long it might as well now be the line.
adverse possession in many ways reminds me of statue of limitations,
Adverse possession is for large plots of agricultural land it is not for platted residential land in most areas. The fences in my neighborhood had been on the wrong place for 50 years and my lawyer said adverse possession does not apply sections of platted land.
@@macmcleod1188 It could be your county or state because we've had them. One I remember really well is a place a guy had an old shed and fence line that was way off. The subdivision was designed in the early 1910s so the property lines are difficult to survey. They moved the line after a long court fight because they said the shed and fence had been there for a long time.
does that mean if my neighbor has a woodpile at the edge of his property, and both parties have been using it as a guide for the edge of the property basically since it was erected, a court, depending on other circumstances like our jurisdiction's statutes and case law, might rule we have more land than we would if we went strictly by the "official" property line?
This isn't an entirely hypothetical question. On the other hand, nothing said in response to it will be taken as legal advice....
Adverse possession is how this The United States was built!
Other than a few plots of land that were cheaply bought from "owners" without solid provenance and no clear title (think Manhattan), much of this country was taken by violence, disease, and forced displacement of the previous tenants.
My neighbors (likely) burned down their barn to commit insurance fraud. They replaced it with a better one, built it against code (i know this for a fact), and caused water to flood our property. They made our leech field flood and ruin some of our crops. Since a leech field is human waste, we could get in trouble with the EPA.
They also burn trash in their outdoor furnace which causes burning trash smoke to flood the neighborhood. It makes our house smell like burning trash.
My parents have not only spent time and money excavating our property to combat the flooding, but they’ve helped these neighbors over the years with excavating and putting in that furnace. Their tools are literally in their house holding up the support beams, keeping the neighbor’s house up.
My parents don’t want to take legal action because they can’t afford a lawyer, and they want to be “good neighbors”. They did get an inspector to come and look and he thinks we would have a valid case.
Neighbors can suck.
Take em to task over the burning at least. Burning trash is illegal in most states.
@@sorrenblitz805 good to know, thanks
Never knew what a leech field was…I’m in the burbs.
Sorry for your troubles. Your family seem like good people but sometimes you need to put your foot down. Good luck
Once had a local municipality attempt to fine me for storing cars in my driveway under a "junk vehicle ordinance." Rather than use the State code definition of a junk vehicle or a very similar method used by insurance companies to determine a totaled vehicle, they depended upon use of registration and inspection. Which might have worked, if they had in fact used either factor in the ordinance itself. Neither word was even mentioned in the ordinance, a fact that I pointed out to the local Magistrate each time the municipality attempted to fine me. After accumulating five not guilty verdicts and a sixth citation, I met with the chief of police, and asked him how the borough wanted to proceed. I told him that if I won again, the next paperwork we'd exchange would be from my lawyer in the form of a suit at $50,000 for each not guilty verdict, and it would be delivered by the Sheriff's office. He said he would confer with his bosses, and I never heard another thing about it.
Literally just got done with a neighbor dispute when this was posted. Wish I had known a giant middle finger was an option
I love the skinny house type spite houses. Firstly, I love tall narrow houses in any context, and secondly, the local history of a spite house is hilarious. I mean, if it isn't properly habitable that's one thing, but just being shoved into weird small property boundaries is amazing.
Favorite find as I searched online filings was a case in West Des Moines, IA. It was a neighbor dispute over kids trespassing on someone’s property. Both sides were super petty. They went through several lawyers and even went to trial with lawyers. There were over 100 exhibits and it went on for several days. The plaintiffs won and the judge awarded $1 in damages, and each side had to pay their own attorney’s fees.
I've talked to something like 65% of the people that live in West Des Moines, and that absolutely tracks.
That is hilarious
😬 are people in Iowa just super petty? I was thinking of moving there
@@MISTAKEWASMADE4live Everyone knows each other and they’re super welcoming to strangers. 90% of the land is corn so you’re going to be eating a lot of sweet corn simply because it’s the cheapest thing available
1:05 - Chapter 1 - Property lines & boundary disputes
4:40 - Chapter 2 - Easements
8:35 - Chapter 3 - Nuisance law
11:05 - Chapter 4 - Spite (fences, houses and more !)
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Much obliged. Shy of ads eagle ought to have this in the description 😂
An old neighbour poisoned a 100+-year-old tree in my family's backyard because he didn't like the roots growing onto his property. We told him he could just cut the roots because they were small enough and far enough away from the tree for the tree to be fine. He instead opted to poison our tree (we had other trees, but you know like trees are kinda big and dangerous when they die).
Conversely, our neighbours on the other side had a spaghetti squash plant that grew through the fence, and we asked them if they wanted the squash, and they just let us have it every year. Our garden beds were on opposite sides of the fence so we just basically decided that if the plant grew through the fence, the side the produce was on meant it was yours.
Speaking of spite, HelloFresh are aggressively trying to prevent their workers from unionising, and are the subject of several unfair labour practice charges.
O dear this is why UA-cam needs to get its act together so content creators don’t need to except shady sponsors
really?
& they suck
@@theinkstainedtalonx3949 For future reference "accept"
thank you! glad to see a video they sponsor i don’t have to be the one to post this
"I don't need a lawyer, i can defend myself in court" is a bit like jumping out of a plane without a parachute because you are sure you can learn to fly on your way down.
The only time self representation is even an option is when the total charges cost less than a lawyer. Traffic court is really about it, and that's assuming you have a genuine argument. I was able to get running a stop sign (fine + points on my license) down to a moving violation (fine + no points) on my own. Spent a whopping total of $185 in fines. The traffic lawyers I contacted wanted $150+ in legal fees and even admitted I would most likely pay some part of the fine.
**Wanted to add, I had no previous traffic violations, so the points weren't significant to me other than my pride. Had the verdict determined if I kept my license or not, then I would have lawyer-ed up in a heart beat.
To be fair, sometimes you have to defend yourself because you're a competent defense attorney and the accuser, Redd White of Bluecorp, has blackmail on most of the local justice system officials. But that's one of a few scenarios
Reminds me of the kick ass movie where at the start that guy dies after jumping off a building with a superhero suit with wings lol
"I can wing it"
Ever had a free solicitor in Australia? If you can't defend better than them... I.e. understand the hungry caterpillar, you most definitely deserve what you're in court for.
A full paid lawyer though, no doubt
My father had bought a lake in Colorado years ago . The only access was through a farmers dirt road . The same farmer was also the seller. After selling the lake to my dad the farmer chose to dig up the road making access impossible. When he asked the farmer about it the farmer basically said " too bad " but I'll buy it back from you for xxxx which was about 30 percentless than he had paid. He obviously hadn't heard of my father and how vindictive he can be. Not only did he sue , he also found out that the farmer had been pulling this on people for years. In the end my dad not only got the access to his lake but also all attorneys fees and court costs. He put more salt in the wound by sharing the information with the past victims of the deplorable scam.
I live in a block of flats in the UK and my neighbour complained that "my laugh was too loud" and broke Local Noise Laws... Tried opening criminal proceedings after the police refused to do anything...
Apparently, as he soon discovered, "a laugh is a reasonable reaction that does not reasonably breach noise law of ******!"
did yours find that before or after getting to court? Mine did similar over a range of noises she claims to hear from me (none of which anyone else has ever heard) but I had to actually go into the court before it could be dismissed. Like in your case, the police, council etc all refused to do anything, cause there was no noise, but she believed she was hearing noises & so took private action for "offensive noise". Fortunately the judge had a brain & gave her a good talking to about the need for evidence lol (she thought her diary of claimed noise would win her the case & get her the noise order that she wanted to get, so as to use to try to get me evicted), she's a real piece of work my one!
My husband apparently had never heard my "real laugh" until after we were married and living together. The first time he heard it, he ran downstairs and was like, "Are you ok?"
"What do you mean?"
"I heard you scream."
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
SPEAKING OF SPITE STRUCTURES, there's a rumor going around that ham radio towers can be threatened to be built in negotiations with home owner associations regarding home owner association violations, due to home owner associations having less legal authority than the FCC, and the FCC giving legal support to anyone seeking to build a ham radio tower on their own property. How true is this?
HOAs cannot stop them from being built, but can require that you obtain a permit before hand. Which could be hard if yo are only building it out of spite
I've heard of this, but I can't remember the state. The HOA tried to evict him after many notices, in court the case was thrown out because he had a Ham radio Operators license, which makes his radio communication more important than made up HOA rules.
I told the campus police to wait outside until my radio show was over before I'd speak to them, citing FCC authority as an Emergency Broadcast System operator. And they had to sit out there and wait for my show to be over at 1am lol
The FCC does also point out in the regulations that the tower is proportional to the land it is on. However, if you want to fight an HOA, this is something you can do, and FCC regulations do override HOA rules. Also reminds me of that one commercial where the HOA "Karen" cuts down a mailbox because it was 1in too high. Tampering with a mailbox is a felony.
Although obviously not applicable but maybe still somewhat interesting, in Canada this is true. No one can prevent a ham from erecting a tower up to 15m (50') high. Municipalities try to pass bylaws preventing it all the time, but Industry Canada (our FCC, if you will) always trumps them when they go after a ham for it. Above 15m though, you're at the mercy of your local bylaws and your neighbours' goodwill.
I happened to have a class fairly recently on Medieval cities, and one of the documents I had to read happened to include a law against Spite erection, specifically stating that landowners had the right to build structures that block the view of their own property from their neighbors (unless said neighbor happened to have, in writing, a right to that view)
My rural community is currently undergoing intense gentrification. And as a property owner, I've been toeing the exact edge of every current bylaw on the books. my next door neighbours are totally on board. the folks who just built a multi-million dollar summer home across the way? not so much.
Another interesting example of spite sculptures: After the German far-right politician Björn Höcke complained about the holocaust memorial in Berlin, a group of artists erected a replica thereof on a plot of land they rented next to his house.
Hahahah making those neo-nazis swallow their hate every single day, I love it.
When can we put a statue of George Floyd next to Trump tower? We should ask the city.
*Bernd Höcke
@@lynnpayne9519 and make the Former President pay for it*
Or the guy who bought a house across the street from Westboro Baptist Church and painted it in the colors of one of the inclusionary flags (I forget which one).
I work at a dog treat manufacturer. We had to move our business because of zoning laws, so we did.
We moved into an Industrial 1 factory complex and were... I wanna say the second people to move into the complex. This complex was designed to be used for heavy industry... things like glass making and stuff like that.
So it was very annoying when we had a yoga studio open up literally next door to us. An entire factory complex... an Industrial 1 factory complex... and they move next door to us. And then start complaining about the smell, because the owners and most of their clientele are vegan.
They called us like, once a week about it. Complained frequently to the factory owner about it. At one point they even called the cops to say we were using a dead body for the treats and then called the EPA on us accusing us of dumping toxic material.
I do not miss her.
Was she atleast hot? Alot of those eco vegan terrorists are.
I assume it was low-rent real-estate, due to the proximity to your factory being next-door. Which might be why they did it. Which just goes to show the importance of picking a good location for your business...and that your former neighbor lacked the common sense to check the place out ahead of time.
Robert Frost was being ironic when he wrote "Good fences make good neighbors." The fence in the poem is clearly described as pointless and waste of time for both neighbors. He was poking fun at the neighbor who insisted they repair an old stone wall every year in the woods, even though they had no animals and the wall served absolutely no purpose. A fitting poem to reference given the video's subject.
Oh, I thought that it meant that having a fence kept the neighbors away which is why they are good.
I wouldn't necessarily say it was irony, but "Mending Wall" is pretty clear on where Frost stands on the issue which is why he has his neighbor say it... twice.
@@greywolf7577 the poem is "Mending Wall". go read it and then tell me what you think it means.
The maxim ‘Good fences make good neighbors’ existed before Frost's poem _Mending Wall,_ and it means what everybody thinks it means. But of course Frost disagreed with it in that poem (which is why it's so ironic that the poem spread it further!).
@@tobybartels8426 it's not ironic that the poem gained popularity. it's a good poem and the saying is dumb so he was right to question it. stop being a bunch of Alanises. I could say, "elves."
Anyone who has worked with, or owned, macaws would see that Tarantino has a hell of a point. They reach 110 decibels without breaking a sweat and go a tit for hours.
I like your typo.
@@julietardos5044 This is macaws though, not great tits.
Which is a bird. Not flipping.
English is weird.
you lot are wooses! I mean seriously? 110 decibels? whoopy do! No wonder you lot tend to think Aussies are tough if that's your boundary line! That volume starts at 4am here every morning for 6 months of the year, as the koels & channel bill cuckoos move in, then at dawn 12 months of the year is the flock of brush turkeys fighting on the roof & sounding like a herd of elephants, then we move onto the main event as the cockies & lorikeets do their morning rounds looking for food, followed by a day of intermittent screeching & shredding of our homes.
Cockies are 135 decibels btw & it's normal to get 50-100 of them screeching together in flocks & if you leave a door or window open, they invite themselves in & then screech at you if they can't find you, in order to demand food. Likewise they'll figure out which is the bedroom window & sit right outside it & screech at it for hours if the occupant doesn't come out to feed them. Ok, so easy, don't feed them right? Poor person near me's just moved into a unit where the previous owner did feed them, so now they can either feed them or have their fly screens & tv cables & any plants they try to put outside shredded until they comply with their cocky overlord's demands. Meanwhile they're also visiting all other units repeating the same behaviour in order to find a replacement feeder, so it's 2-3 hours a day of non-stop screeching as they go home to home shredding it & screeching for attention. Kinda funny actually, hearing them screeching in one location for half an hour to an hour, then they move 5-10 metres to the next home & repeat, then another 5-10 metres & repeat & so on, so it continues all day everyday, just moving in a big circle. Couple of hours break at times when they clearly have other homes on their feeding schedule, but otherwise right now it's just all day everyday screeching. It's called life, we just deal with it, better than living in a silent concrete jungle!
@@mehere8038 I went with their average vocalization volume, not with their maximum. You know, to not be over dramatic... Clearly not your style though
@@alicianieto2822 google tells me the MAX volume for a Macaw is actually 105 decibels, not the 110 you stated & any site that rates bird noise has them way below cockies & again, we're talking 50-100 at a time here with the wild ones, so rather louder than a single pet parrot wouldn't you say?
You also might want to look up the screech of a channel bill cuckoo if you think I'm exaggerating. Notice how I mentioned the lorikeets are around but didn't focus on them? That's cause even though they're as loud as a Macaw, they've got a generally pretty call, not an absolute screech like the cockies, cuckoos & noisy miners have (exception being the thousands to tens of thousands of them together in breeding season's screaming till 1am every night, making it impossible to have a conversation within 50-100 metres of the lines of trees they're in, but those trees are usually around shopping centres, not homes, so again I left that out as it's not really an issue people have to deal with daily). Same with the magpies, they start their calling at 3am in breeding season, loud enough to wake people (and babies) but again, not a horrid sound, so I didn't focus on it.
I'm actually being far less dramatic than you are, just the noise here is way beyond anything you can grasp, but again, it's just life here, I'm not complaining about it, but I find a macaw to be an absolute nothingburger & you're extremely lucky if that's the loudest bird you need to deal with in life & kinda sad if you think that's something worthy of a court case! You're also obviously exaggerating badly if you are going to claim that a single macaw will screech for hours, they just don't do that!
When my wife was in college her neighbor (who lived in the apartment 3doors down the hall) complained about "a suspicios looking man entering and exiting" which was me, and actually attempted to have her and her two roomates evicted over it
I guess that's on you for looking sus...
...Lol, just joking. I have no room to talk. I've been mistaken for a homeless guy before...in the neighborhood I grew up in, no less. Got into Pokémon Go, and would wander around a set of stops not far off from my house, headphones on, in a khaki birder's vest (lots of pockets). I have a massive beard (I have never shaved and only had it trimmed once), and rarely left the house for years, so I can understand the confusion, though I prefer to think I look more like an explorer who just wandered out of the jungle. Still, it was pretty funny to see the light go on when I introduced myself to one of my former elementary school teachers, when we crossed paths.
I once worked for a builder. One time we built a spite shed on an acreage for a guy who was in a spat with his neighbour. The story was that when the neighbour found out the shed was going to block his view of the surrounding hills, he went straight to court for an injunction instead of actually walking over and asking about it. The guy we were working for said he would have gladly put it somewhere else so as to not block the neighbour's view had the neighbour asked, but decided "f him" once he saw the summons.
Paying inordinate amounts of money to lawyers > Occasionally compromising and getting along with your neighbors
Why reach a middle ground if you can pay enough to be 100% right, I guess?
Or better, spend inordinate amounts of money to ruin your own property and spite your neighbors
Unfortunately sometimes people just get unlucky and have a neighbor who doesn't know the meaning of the word compromise.
until your neighbor wants a piece of your land (adverse possession), then its war!
Hearing stories like this makes me so glad I'm lucky to have the neighbors I have. No one really cares what everyone else is doing unless it wind up being dangerous. Which, honestly, that's only happened once. One guy on my street got in trouble for having one of those tent like garage things you seen advertised sometimes. It wasn't the tent thing that we had a problem with, it was that it wasn't anchored to the ground! So if we had a big wind there's a good chance the thing would blow down and smash up a person. We were even concerned it would get blown over with him inside and he'd get hurt or killed! He anchored it and nothing has happened since. There's a sort of unspoken rule that all the kids can play on all the lawns on the street and no one says anything, except that one guy but the kids know to stay away from his house. It's nice when everyone leaves everyone else alone.
In regards to spite fences, a related story I've heard before was about a man who got around the height limit restriction on a fence he wantend built between him and a neighbor by paying to have a 4ft high embankment built on that side of his property first. This allowed him to reach an effective height of 14ft while still technically staying within the 10ft limit on the fence itself.
Haha! That's great. My town had an ordinance that didn't allow a fence over 3' in your front yard. I wanted a privacy fence so our kids could play in the yard. We brought in dirt, raised the yard about 3' above street level with a retaining wall, built a 3' fence on the top, then put a decorative lattice 18" tall on top of said fence. All said and done it was a good 6' above street level all the way around.
May not fly in all cases, because many building codes specify height in terms of “above grade,” and an artificial embankment is considered to be above grade.
Serious question, which I was reminded of during the second case that ended with a judge's comment of "The heart of this case is who's richer than who, I guess..." - have you ever been afraid that proper legal representation - or even legal representation at all - has become gentrified?
Hasn't it always been?
Became gentrified? Pretty sure it was baked into the laws and the structure itself as land owning white males were the only people law had to take into account. We've made big strides since then but the requirement of being privileged for access to 'justice" is still in the DNA and can be seen by anyone perusing criminal justice statistics.
Legal representation has 1000% always been like this. Justice has always been easier for the wealthy to get, as well as using the justice system to their advantage. We've made a few strides, with laws/settlement terms that require defendant's legal fees to be paid if they prevail against lawsuits put against them, being entitled to free representation in criminal cases, etc. But all branches of our legal system are still heavily impacted by the quality of your representation, which is determined almost exclusively by how much you can afford to pay for it. Lawyers get the brunt of the hate for this, but it's the shape of our whole legal system that's to blame.
That's what our laws are, justice is false within the world, capitalism reign's and our institution's are corrupt and monsterous.
The entire justice system is a class system. The rich/powerful don't get punished or get walk-in the park fines/house arrest in their mansions. Then comes mostly white people, who can afford good lawyers, then comes the middle-class, or can afford okay lawyers, or they have friends, but they often settle if the other person has more money. Then comes the people forced to use an overworked underpaid PD, who may very well be doing the best they can with what they have, but that often isn't much.
Claim: Hostile Architecture used against the homeless counts as Malicious Erections, and needs to be taken down as they are also nuisances to the public
I'm pretty sure you'd have to establish that the public or these homeless individuals have a specific property interest in the "hostile architecture" -- unless they could make some sort of adverse possession claim in the state it seems darn near impossible.
Or we could just end homelessness so, ya know, it wasn't so much of a problem.
@@x--. In all fairness, hostile architecture drags away money that could be spent on actual trying to reduce homelessness, and uses it to drive homeless people out of sight more than anything else. Even ignoring that, some hostile architecture actually causes problems for people who aren't homeless; see standing benches, which do not provide adequate support or rest if you have back problems, for example.
@@xxxdumbwordstupidnumberxxx4844 agree with everything you say, was just commenting on the legal reality. Maybe there is some loophole?
I hate it every time I see it or worse, have to use it.
Solution: purge the homeless
@@t_c5266 seems wasteful. Better to use them as feed stock for other animals. Do you think we could give the rich enough entertainment value while also insisting they not damage the feedstock too much leaving it unusable? And could we get them to also handle evictions, so eviction just becomes a synonym for execution? With your winning solutions, you must be leading a Fortune 500 company.
Sheesh.
As an ex-pub landlord, I can attest to the “coming to the nuisance” defence in the uk.
It’s not uncommon for someone to move in near a pub, knowing it’s a public entertainment venue, and complain to get the business shut down for their peace and quite.
Us landlords (most of us, not the minority of idiots) work with the local community (many of whom are our customers) to make sure we respect and don’t undermine the atmosphere and relative tranquility the community around us deserves.
That being said, I have myself had someone move in nearby to one of my pubs who claimed he was “noise sensitive”.
He wanted the local pubs (he moved in to a property in between my pub and another just 100 yards away) to have their licenses curtailed. He even met with a local councillor.
His request was rejected because he knew exactly where he was moving to, and what activity went on there, and before he moved in there were no complaints.
Some people are just *&@%s, I guess.
But yay for the “coming to the nuisance” defence.
He basically wanted the whole community he’d just moved to to change according to his whims, and didn’t care about how the community felt - which was something they made very clear to him (in non-threatening ways, don’t worry. But a lot of F-bombs from members of the community did get served).
To quote Devin, “you can’t fix stupid.”
I mean, the counter-argument to "you chose to live next to a pub" is "you chose to come to a pub that's in a residential area."
The one I like best is the people who move next to a church and then complain about the church bells. (Which, in the UK, could well have been ringing every Sunday for a thousand years.)
A bar and concert venue in Washington DC called "Madam's Organ" has a sign on the front of the building that says, "Sorry, We're Open" because they get frequent complaints from neighbors about the noise from the concerts. Their point is that they have been around since 1993 and anyone moving into the neighborhood has to know that they are there.
Not just UK pubs get complained about, UK Schools and Scout Huts - you know they have young people attending who aren't always quiet - who would have thought?
My previous upstairs neighbors tied their vents to mine during a remodel to save money without my knowledge. My friend is a cancer survivor, moved in with me, and opted for medical marijuana versus pain killers. The neighbors complained about the smell. It's their fault... luckily they are gone!
One of the coolest spite structures that I've heard about was a Rancher who wanted to create a structure for his horses to keep them out of the Sun on one of his pastures. The local government did not allow it. So instead he made a gigantic dinner table and chairs complete with giant size plates and silverware on the top of the table and called it a sculpture which was more than high enough for his horses to shelter under.
I work in a corporate IT department and run a lot of the new hire orientation talks with regards to computer usage policies. My briefings always end with, "Do bad thing and bad things will happen. Do illegal things and legal things will happen. Please, don''t make us give money to lawyers, no one wants that. Any questions?"
...That escalated quickly.
@Michael Hegedus I can't speak for all IT departments, and I have certainly worked in places where the IT department carved out inappropriate exceptions for themselves. FWIW - I have had to pull back my information security guys due to a misunderstandings, or an assumption of guilt based on the findings of some automated security tool, on more than one occasion. Most of the time I have managers coming to us asking to get usage information they can review to ensure a problematic employee is doing things like actually working and not committing time card fraud. In almost every case the HR department has prevented us from releasing our findings. We also have to make sure our systems are secure and compliant to certain regulated standards, but the higher ups routine tell certain teams they can have exemptions, often without informing the IT department. I know my experience is not that of every such department. We're not all the same.
That said, I'm actively looking to get out of IT in the next few years, because of the BS and double standards involved.
I honestly hope you have a good day and that whatever jaded you, and I do not deny that it may very well have been bad enough to warrant your espoused frustrations, never happens to you or around you again. Everyone deserves better than that.
"The most avian legal review on the internets" is a fantastic little gem hiding in the description... And the bit between 10:50-11:55 was wonderfully hilarious!
Did you know that there is a game called Aviary Attorney, inspired by the Ace Attorney series, about bird lawyers practicing in France during the final days of the July Monarchy (1848)?
I'm going to need you to be very mature about this ... STOP GIGGLING!
tifforo1 That’s on my Steam wishlist! Have you played it?
I love how he says he's going to need the watchers to be mature and then immediately follows it up with a Viagra joke. 10/10
""Stay for the terrible puns." What terrible puns? That pun was perfection.
Puns, by their very nature are terrible, wonderfully terrible.
I refuse to do anything against my neighbors just trying to enjoy their lives, because I've been on the other end of an HOA witch-hunt but if they decided to stop working on motorcycles and picked up a quieter hobby boy howdy my career as a voice over artist and broadcaster would be so much better and less stressful
That almost sounds like a "hey can you not do this thing during XYZ hours" type of situation
That's very sweet of you. Can't you talk to them about maybe doing it just certain days/hours?
Are you really a voice actor I'm asking because I'm curious and would like to think of myself as an aspiring one in my own right not that I've done anything yet but one day maybe
A friend's mom got in trouble with her HOA for a very 'Martha Stewart' paint pallete without approval. They demanded she repaint. She painted the whole-ass house black, top to bottom.
HoA's are insecure people without power who want to do whatever they can to Lord over others, screw them.
Never join a HOA
Man, HOAs suck
I love her style. 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 awesome!
I’ve heard a story about someone in my town painting brightly colored polka dots on one side of their house and not putting up any fences or trees to cover it so that the neighbor on that side of their house saw obnoxiously color dots every time they looked out the window, I’ve also heard of neighbors who get into arguments about their holiday decorations because one house will be covered with blinking lights and Santa’s and snowmen that all light up super bright and blink enough to need a seizure warning and all the surrounding houses will have a snowman or reindeer in the yards or just a couple strings of twinkle lights that aren’t too bright and don’t blink, so they get into arguments over what decorations are festive and what ones are unsafe.
Seizures induced by hardcore blinking lights are no joke. Seems like a non-issue, until you learn how many people are affected by it.
Here's a little property dispute from my own life: in my childhood home, our back door neighbor was quite handy and offered to install our shared fence himself. Great, right? Well he moved the property markers several feet, making his own yard larger and ours smaller. We had just hand sprinklers installed, then low and behold once the fence was up he had some sprinklers watering his yard on our timer.
It was an awkward and embarrassing situation, I believe the only resolution we got was that he paid to have the sprinkler line adjusted so it was on our side of the fence.
So Minnie locked off and blocked off the driveway with an electronic gate only her family had access to, but the old man was found in contempt for narrowing the driveway?!
As a surveyor, in fact a County Surveyor, I loved this and appreciated your educating people on this.
I had to pause on the half-garage pic and just laugh.
Bro when new sony Vegas 10 hours tutorial plz
@@SultanOfAwesome bro don't drive people crazy in random places off the internet
@@pizzaivlife bold of you to assume he won't know what a joke is.
@@SultanOfAwesome I don't know what a joke is.
@@TaranVH bold of me to assume it was bold of him to assume you would know what a joke is
I"ve always heard it phrased "Anybody who represents themself has a fool for a client." I think it's a little bit punchier that way, because sometimes it takes people a second.
“She won and I hope she spends every dollar on chemotherapy” damn that is savage
@Michael Hegedus abuse an elderly deficient man that is also a army veteran and a heart transplant survivor
things like that make me angry, the man pass true hell most of his life and then get S*** on by some rich woman that prob never had to deal with am actual life difficult the entire life
@@MarsRedPlanet1914 I agree she shouldn't have done that, but cancer is a really traumatic experience. It's not something you choose, there's no purpose to it, and it can seriously change your life even if you survive. My grandma had lung cancer. My grandpa was a doctor and was able to catch it early, but she still spent the rest of her life held back by an oxygen tank, and she died young due to subsequent complications. For those less lucky, it is a slow and painful death that takes parts of you away peice by peace. It can chemically change your mind to the point where family members don't even recognize you. She wasn't good to him, but there's some lines you just don't cross.
@@idrabohm3678 cancer is indiscriminate. Sometimes great people get it and thats sad and all but by the same token some people get whats coming
@@idrabohm3678 Yeah, that is exactly why we think that woman should get it
I have truly never heard a sicker burn 😨
My grandad built a spite statue. His neighbors built an atrocious steel fence to block out deer. He offered to pay for a more elegant fence, but they declined. So he bought a 17 foot tall goose statue, put it on an industrial turntable, and draped it in Christmas lights. For the next five years, every morning he would go outside and "flip the bird" to his neighbors until they moved.
That is hilarious! I'd pay just to see the goose, it actually sounds pretty cool.
Legend!
@@DragynGirl The goose is actually for sale! His old neighbors moved away, and he likes the new ones. She's getting a little ratty though😕
@@llamawalrushybrid : New Yorkers call them pigeons.
I had wonderfull neighbors on three of four orthogonal sides of my childhood house (Left, Right, and Front) and the neighbors behind us where an absolute nightmare. They where horrible. Every weekend they would place large speakers on their porch and play this ear splitting traditional Mexican music (think Mexican hat dance) that would reverberate throughout the neighborhood. But neither my family, nor any other neighbors lodged any complaints…
Now, First a little backstory: growing up Me and my grandfather would engineer and build various projects, of all sizes, variants and complexity. One of which was a fort. It was a pine construction of std lumber, about 18’ off the ground with four standoff’s with an access ladder on one side, which was retractable. One week we received two letters, one from an attorneys office giving notice of the neighbors filing for an injunction with the town to have the fort removed because it was to close to their property line, the other was from the town itself essentially scheduling a visit from an inspector contracted by the town. The problem they had was that we built it to to both building and property codes, so to make a long story short the fort stayed. But they where out for blood now. We received numerous additional complaints against our deck, our sheds, the pool, etc. one of which was that our sheds where ALSO to close to their property line. The current statute stated all structures of this type where supposed to be 4’ minimum off the property line… when the sheds where built (back in the 70’s) my grandparents had different neighbors in the back, with whom they where very close with and that neighbor actually assisted my grandfather in building the sheds. In short they where about 3’ off the property line, so we had to jack the sheds up and place them on steel rollers to roll them forward to comply with the 48” to the fence line…
Here’s where it becomes brilliant though, during all of this apparently every official just assumed the fence line was the defined property line and a surveyor was never tasked with explicitly verifying/defining this… when my grandfather moved the sheds, finally a surveyor WAS contracted and it turned out the fence line encroached onto OUR property by about 1.5’, since originally the previous neighbors which I spoke about had another fence surrounding their yard, which the new residents removed, and it was discovered the deck they erected for their pool was actually to close to OUR property line… something which was much more difficult to move than a couple of sheds…
So they made a compromise. My grandparents said they won’t push for any action with any set time period so long as you guys stop with the music blaring all the time and refrain from anymore spiteful claims… they agreed and I don’t recall us having any more issues. The guy did eventually have to modify/move his pool deck but I recall him doing it at a much later date.
"You wouldn't think a driveway could be a source of conflict"
It's never *not* been a source of conflict for me after i started living in town.
For half the year, we have alternate side parking so if possible, you want a driveway. The first place i stayed, there was an argument about who could use the driveway for the length of time i wouldn't be in the state. I could either take my car and the other person i was going with would be fined for their car not moving for a few days, or i could get use of the driveway and my roommate would have to alternate park for those few days. I won that one.
I had a landlord that had a massive 2 car garage with room to spare that we weren't supposed to use (it was storage for large things they sold at estate sales). Which meant they had to be able to access it at any time without giving us enough notice to get home and move our cars when we were on campus.
Same landlord, different house, except it was boats instead of estate items.
When i stopped renting and bought a house, there was really only one house in my price range that had a garage/driveway. But it's a shared garage (property line directly down the middle) and the other property is rented (they've been there for years, much longer than i). But the neighbors/their guests constantly blocked the driveway or parked on my side so i could not get in or out. After about a year of my reminding them that i needed to be able to *go* places, they stopped doing so for the most part.
For the most part. Sometimes they park their vehicles so close to the actual entrance that i would be scraping paint trying to get out. Only once did i end up calling the cops because i had no way to get them to move the vehicle in the way (they didn't answer the door for me or the cop, but answered their phone when a reverse search was done on the plate) and i was not going to get the vehicle towed without doing my due diligence first.
Sounds like you've been a pretty patient neighbor.
I had a guy down the street who would get people parking in front of his garage all the time. He'd hook them up to his truck, drag them into the middle of the street, and call the cops.
People would only make the mistake ONCE. I'm not sure it was legal but the cops thought it was funny and he kept doing it.
Talking about driveways I'm remembering that in the Spanish laws it's stated that a driveway must be "wide enought to fit two horses". It was redacted in the middle ages and hasn't been changed since.
@@podemosurss8316 Oh my god, that could leave a *lot* of wiggle room for laywers to fight over.
Does that law mean "Falabella" or "Clydesdale"? Or do we have to see the law in its historical context and look and what horsebreeds the people who wrote the law owned? Do we need to comission a historical and biological study to find the exact size of the animal and study that probably extinct breeds exact space requirements?
Is there a national or EU standard for this? If so, which one takes precedent?
What is legally a horse, do ponies and and mules count? What about wild horses?
How do we interpret "fit two horses"? Does that mean "can walk next to each other quite closely" or does that mean "wide enough for them to drink, eat and rest while they are not used by their owner"? Is the requirement to be wide enough for two horses meant to include "when hauling a wagon", because then they walk further apart?
What about when the ground is not level or uneven? Does that affect the stance of a horse and therefore alter the requirements? Do different wall/fence types and heights next to the driveway make the horses act differently?
Basing a standard on a living organism is probably the worst thing you can do. Unless you are a lawyer given the chance to do so. Because lawyers many generations down the line will still be praising your name for the job security you provided them - and yes, there will be scholarships and yearly awards named after you.
@@podemosurss8316 that's the standard for roman roads... 2 horses and cart. Which became a proportional standard in most of the western world :o
Objection! "Mending Wall," the Robert Frost poem containing the good fences line mentioned, is actually specifically about how walls create negative boundaries between people, rather than building trust or good relationships (even if the act of construction can theoretically be a bonding moment).
I live in a small town in Australia, working in real estate law for a little bit. Our lecturer told us the story of a set of houses in the rich part of town that have roofs that are permanently encroaching upon each other as the houses were stepped down a hill.
From what I've heard, they still haven't resolved or resurveyed the property lines, the new owners just deal with it. Which is kind of refreshing.
The _second_ most famous spite fence might be the one at old Shibe Park in Philadelphia, former home of the Athletics baseball team. When the stadium was built in 1909 it sat across North 20th Street from a row of houses, who's owners could watch games for free from beyond the short right field fence, a situation similar to Wrigley Field in Chicago. For the first couple of decades the A's had no issues with this arrangement, as the top team in the American League (the Yankees before the Yankees, so to speak) they never had trouble drawing crowds. (At their very first game at Shibe they had to _turn away_ thousands of would-be-paying fans!) But as their star players retired, the Great Depression hit and attendance fell, suddenly things changed and the A's saw the people watching from across 20th Street as a threat to their bottom line.
So in 1935, the team built an ugly, corrugated, 34-foot metal wall all the way across right field, permanently blocking the view of the field from the homes. It wound up backfiring in a big way: as it turned out "Connie Mack's spite fence", named for the long-time A's manager (though it was actually owner Ben Shibe's idea), would permanently damage the team's relationship with the neighborhood; and after 20 more seasons of mediocre-at-best baseball in front of dismal crowds, the A's finally packed up and moved to Kansas City in 1954, then again to Oakland in 1968, where they remain to this day (for now at least). The stadium itself lived on, being used by the National League's Phillies until 1970, finally being torn down in 1976 and eventually being replaced with a church.
In my opinion the ultimate irony is that those very same houses who's view was blocked by the spite fence are still standing today, now having outlived Shibe Park and the Philadelphia Athletics by over a half-century.
I used to have a blue throated macaw, and that one that you showed there was actually *VERY* quiet. They can let out an ear piercing scream. Mine also called people assholes all the time.
I think my mom's parrot, Edgar, thought his name was "Gawddammit, Edgar!"
He was so squawky!
When I lived in New Orleans it seemed that every year a new resident of The Cabildo would complain to the local media or in court about the street performers causing a public nuisance.
There was a years long waiting list to get a condo in The Cabildo…
I’m so glad my neighbours rarely talk to me and I rarely talk to them
Big Ron Swanson energy right here.
Same!
I feel this way as well but I can't help feeling like it's deeply unhealthy on a societal level.
Dude go away
I have been exceedingly lucky with neighbors in my current residence. I've lived here for just short of 11 years (Feb. would make 11, and my roommate has been here for I think 37) we've had 3 sets of neighbors since I've been here and all of them have been really neat in their own ways. And I can't recall any stories from Anne (my roommate) about bad or even not helpful and friendly neighbors. Now that being said we both have to move by Jan. 1st and I have a sneaking suspicion that we (or I, as she's moving to her parents to help with her mother) will be hit with some cold hard reality. And so nervously I cross my fingers in hopes my streak continues.
My aunt and uncle with their 14 children had a grumpy old man living next door that was an absolute a-hole to everyone in the neighborhood, even to the point of calling the cops on kids and spreading rumors (not the everyday kind that probably aren't illegal, serious claims like someone was molesting a kid or something). They had a tree growing in their front yard in the corner near this neighbor's plot, one year it died (or got struck by lightning or something) but for some reason instead of taking down the entire thing they just took all the branches off and left the trunk in place. For years he'd complained about it, so one Halloween their eldest son (#3 in our small nation of cousins) decorated the tree as an effigy of that grumpy old man.
He was pissed off enough about it that he came out and wrecked it, and summarily got cited for tresspass and vandalism because another neighbor saw him doing it and thought it'd be poetic justice.
Let’s hear his side because 14 kids can’t be a quiet neighborhood
I'd be pretty grumpy if I lived next to a family with 14 kids. My sympathies are entirely with the old man.
He did nothing wrong living next to 14 kids sounds like actual hell
@@annalieff-saxby568 What would be bad about living next to a large family?
@@josephpostma1787 NOISE !!! And trespass, and accidental damage, and fourteen seperate groups of friends hanging out, and - when the kids get older - cars (don't tell me their drive can accommodate 14+ vehicles). A family that large, unless living on a plot _at least_ an acre in size, is an imposition upon their neighbours.
As I watched the beginning of this video, I couldn't help but think of a house I drive by on my way to work every day. Imagine my surprise when, at the end of the video, I saw that same house (and middle finger) showcased. It's a small and spiteful world we live in, a good sense of humor goes a long way! Shout out to VT viewers out there.
Even when you like your neighbors, there are times when getting a variance from the city can be a real chore. Both my neighbors and I wanted an 8 foot fence for a section between our houses where the windows kind of looked from one house into the other. The city ordnance generally limiting us to a 6 foot high fence was insufficient because the houses are both raised up about 2 feet from ground level, creating only an effective 4 foot fence of visual separation. In order to get the variance, we had to pay a few hundred dollars to apply for the variance, a couple hundred more to have the city send a letter to both us and the neighbors asking if we approved, a little bit more for a notary public who needed to witness our responses, then a "processing fee" that somehow was not the same as the application fee. We're happy with the end result, but the process of getting a very short section of 8 ft. high fence took 5 months, and cost just under a thousand bucks.
You couldn't just get curtains?
There are plenty of tall narrow shrubs you could have planted on the fenceline. Admittedly they would probably take a bit more work to maintain.
I wonder if the city would have done anything if you'd just built the fence without them knowing. Not that that's the right way to go about it, but sounds like the official process could be greatly simplified. Or at the least, not so incredibly expensive.
@@fionaanderson5796 Tall shrubs may have counted as a "fence-like" structure, and therefore also not allowed.
Definitely a case where you could have just built the fence and not bothered with permission. Since you and the neighbour were the only ones legally able to make a complaint.
Love the Crocker spite fence story. I had a client who sold his San Francisco house right before the '89 quake!
My parents had something like this happen. The small house next door got bought up and a massive mcmansion put in its place. Of course the mcmansion doesn’t really fit, is raised well off its foundations so the lights & windows stare down directly into my parent’s house, and worst of all they kept putting boards on our fence so it would look like “nicer” (this was worst because it would have inevitably resulted in internal rot of the fence, a fence we’d just replaced a year prior). I really wish I’d known more about these city ordinances at the time, because otherwise we’d probably have filed some official complaints.
I love how they blurred the bird’s beak as if we can read beaks 😂
Grateful for good neighbors. None of them have snitched on me to the HOA about the catio I built 🤣
I love the fact that the last guy didn’t have to remove his giant middle finger sculpture!! The system does work! (Sometimes)
someone where I lived moved in near a shooting range out in the country that had been there for over 50 years, and then started bringing complaints that they could hear gunfire during the day. the local township basically just told them that they had to deal with it, since the shooting range had been there for much longer and there's no way they wouldn't have known about it before moving in.
4:23 I've always liked this version better: "He who represents himself has a fool for a client!"
My neighbors tried to say my driveway wasn’t a driveway so they built a fence right on the property line to try to get us to not park there. Jokes on them, my car still fits just fine
I learned about property lines when mom scolded me for picking lemons off our neighbor's side of the tree. It's a big tree that's right on the fence so half of it is on our property and half is on hers, so we should only pick from our side.
The little old lady next door was very nice and probably wouldn't have minded, but it was good manners nonetheless.
I have a macaw. It sounds louder than that :) Seriously though, if the guy's bird(s) is/are screaming 7 hours a day, there's a bigger issue happening that goes beyond annoying the neighbours. Animal control should pay a visit.
That was my thought I was like...is that a bird being left alone by itself all day?
but you know what people are like if they don't like a noise I'm sure, if it squawks once every hour or so over that 7 hours, they'll claim it's 7 hours straight of squawking. My lorikeets "scream" for about 7 hours a day - each time wild ones fly over or sit in the trees making social calls, they give a reply call. It's part of life & normal for birds, they're no more noisy than any of the local wild birds that they consider as part of their flock
I’m not perfect. I try to be a good neighbor. Some folks I like more than others but I always tried to never have conflicts or disputes. If someone irks me I try to stay away from them. I also try to look the other way. My neighbor who just passed away was a wonderful woman. However, she had hired some guy who cleaned out the leaves in her gutter by putting them in my gutter. I knew this and never said a word to her. I told a guy who helped clean my gutter to just get all the leaves out and lets move on. When she recently passed away I was really proud of taking the high road and just being nice to her.
OBJECTION
"Yes you actually get 14 free meals"
No you don't. You get discounts on each meal over a period of time that adds up to free meals. It's not getting a free meal.
Accurate
Another objection: I still have to put up with annoying neighbors without food since Hello Fresh does not deliver to this area. We can't even get the post office to leave our packages at the front gate. We have to go to town to pick them up every time.
At once the discount expires, the meals become VERY expensive, and frankly not worth it. I cancelled a couple of weeks after the discount ended, once I did the math.
Always love me some puns, Devin.
Also in case anybody out there needs to be told, the "Never represent yourself in court" thing still applies, even if you are a lawyer in the field of law you specialize in.
IF only it was a choice for the poor.
I honestly can’t imagine fighting with my neighbours like that, we literally share food and stuff so often that we have “mystery” dishes where we don’t know which house they came from originally.
I lived on a farm during a drought, and my neighbours' neighbour had a big concrete water tank, less than 10% of which encroached onto his other neighbours property. Couldn't have been more than two square meters out of several hundred acres. The bastard came and punctured a hole in the tank in his 10%
“ ‘…I hope she spends every dollar on chemotherapy’, Jesus!” You know the insult’s bad when the lawyer is shocked
Oh boy. This brings back memories. I worked in land surveying for about six years and property line disputes, encroachment, etc. were a frequent source of work for us. Some of them got... heated.
We had neighbors who were running a crack house. It was an unforgettable night when an ATF team arrived in full tactical gear and kicked their door down. They were led out in handcuffs. Their house was in such deplorable condition (they were renting but the landlord lived in another state and didn’t care) that it was torn down and a new house built in its place. Peace and quiet was restored to the neighborhood once again. ❤️
There's one crazy stories out of Canada on this topic, including a multi-year dispute that involved dogs getting "de-barked" (surgical vocal cord removal), another with painted obscenities directed at one another and most recently, 2 ladies in BC who I think we're neighbours but I'm not even sure if there was any property dispute or if they just didn't like one another, but one of them ended up stabbing the other one IN THE COURTHOUSE when they arrived for a hearing.
A Matt Risinger (Buildshow) plug! Nice! As a licensed California Land Surveyor, great job discussing the boundary and easement issues and the significant costs associated with them. Spot on!
My husband assisted undoing and redoing an unpermited attic living space because the client’s neighbor used his telescoping lens to see into the house and sued my husbands client instead of just turning him into the village building department. This was in one of the richest suburbs around Chicago…