Sorry, but not sorry, you see, clearly saying sorry did not work. When it does not work, the pain then arrives. Do not push us past the sorry stage. lol
On the grapeshot cannons: No, the rune of burning is not why they are overpowered. They are overpowered because they are REALLY overpowered. That Ammo train mission was hard carried for me with just the cannons. Single target the big stuff, and then when they tried to cross the bridge I switched to grapeshot and took out the entire army in about 2 or maybe 3 salvo's with 4 cannons.
Cannon adventure was the first adventure I took because it made the most sense objective-wise. I quit the campaign at turn 15. I was playing as aggressive as possible and was under no threat ever, it was the least challenging campaign I've ever tried. In most of the battles 90% of the enemies were dead from cannons by the time Spirit of Grugni was summonable. At least with Ikit or Elspeth I felt like those upgrades got stronger over time so i got something to look forward to. With Malakai's cannons I didn't feel like playing anymore when at turn 7 I'm getting a doomstack. Maybe if I went Gyros i would've had more fun
I love how derpy autoresolve is, it looks at an army of mostly orc laborers against the fucking royal air force and is like best I can do is a valiant defeat.
@@roslolian11 Its actually remarkably fair on any difficulty in WH3, if anything it favors the players some. Its hard for them to judge some though because all gun armies in the AI hands are very very bad, they get rushed down quickly. Traditionally gunlines get shut down by a single unit breaking through, and require a lot of careful planning on laying them out. So if it runs a quick battle sim without seeing any frontline units it just assumes they'll get rolled over and cant fire. Malekai is barely a campaign anymore though he's so overpowered.
How so? A gun is anything man portable that ejects a projectile unless it engages a self contained propellant system, then its a launcher. Doesnt explicitly require explosive propellant because railguns, BB guns and bowguns (crossbows without the cross part just a compacting spring and rail) are still guns. They arent a rifle or a firearm, but they are a gun and an arm that fires fire.
@@deathninja16 they are literally drakeGUNS tbh they are a sort of napalm or phosphorous like projectile. yes they are alchemical based, but blackpoweder is that too.
One thing I learned, I believe it was from LegendOfTotalWar, is that spells like regen spells/abilities that are on a timer still trigger on the 0th second. So in actuality, you gyrocopters should be getting 30% extra hp since it heals 30% total from that adventure bonus.
Malakai: *kills every surrounding neighbour, both friend and foe, Kislevite and Chaos, using just his brains, brawn and technological innovation* Khorne: *begrudging nod of respect and approval*
Malakai was never a coward. He just thought the Slayer Oath was a relic of a different time and a symptom of the decline of the Dawi. He took the Oath because he was forced to, but he never intended to follow through because he thought it was wrong for ANY Dawi to seek death. There's few enough of them already and he wanted them to grow with the times. Hence why he and Franz got along so well
"I feel like our people are a dying breed because of relics like the Slayer Oath." "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION OUR TRADITIONS? THAT'S GOING IN THE BOOK!" "The book is also an outdated relic that holds us back by not allowing us to move on from the past." "THAT'S GOING IN THE BOOK _DOUBLE!"_
Having played this campaign myself a few times, the cannon doomstack is STUPIDLY OP. However, it's outpaced by the Thunderbarge doomstack. You literally cannot lose. Four full stacks of dragons? Ignored. Four full stacks of max level doomstacks of anything? It will win, handily.
Facts. I once sent around 6 of those things into a settlement and within moments of reaching firing range three enemy units were routing, another was half-dead, and the wall had been knocked down by complete accident. I didn’t even know their main guns could damage walls until then. Honestly, they could use a nerf, but you won’t see me complaining to CA about it. The only weaknesses I can see from them are their cost, their autoresolve performance, and the fact they can’t land, which isn’t really that bad compared to their damage output. Honestly, all you really need are 3 or 4 before your army becomes nigh unstoppable.
Ikkit on a nearby mountain with a stack of scribes: 'write-scribe that down, we take-steal and make even better yes-yes' In other news people are finding empty shipwrecks on land now.
4:04 the only downside for the airship encamp is that it doesn't provide ambush protection; however, an airship doomstack doesn't care late game about ambushes
Props for using the Fodlan Winds theme towards the end. Really tied the whole ‘demolishing enemy armies with almost zero effort while listening to epic music’ thing together.
So just to clarify; Flame throwers do count as guns. Sure they may spray a type of flammable liquid at the target, but that is still in the classification of a gun. Though in the case of Flame Cannons, it's a much easier sell. Cause it has the word "Cannon" in there. That is just a big and angry gun. In short, even if it belches flame it's a gun all the same!
I found your channel back when you did your empire guns only campaign. Wow you've grown a lot since! Happy to see you doing well and to watch another based gunpowder campaign haha
Airship encampment: Although the airship may stay in the air perpetually, I reason that they still need to drop boots on the ground to gather local supplies, food, and fuel.
“That might be part of why they’re overpowered.” No, that’s just kinda how the Grapeshot Cannons work. It’s balanced out by their value also usually coming from turning your own frontline into paste as well.
True, your front line is either hero's (which will get hit) or none at all..... cause if you had one, the cannons just fire "To who'm this may concern" volley's be it your front line, the enemy, and they have grudges against air in general too.
I'm always shocked how similar the music choices you have in these videos is to my typical vibe. More than once I had to check if I had my music playing in the background lol.
I'm gonna wait for the Skulls for the Skull Throne event to see if I can grab it on a sale but I can't wait to try this campaign. Malakai, Gotrek, Felix and Ulrika are gonna save the world baby. Shame that Max and Snorri aren't around to help but, oh well, I'm sure they will make an appearance when Thanquol rears his ugly head from... wherever he is hiding it.
“It’s not exactly the most ethical way to do warfare… but, there isn’t one, so it’s good enough for me.” I feel like a lot of world leaders have said that over history
Going to be frank. As a veteran from the first one, never underestimate dwarven guns. While they might have gotten power crept a bit, the humble thunderer pretty easily could rip apart almost anything thrown against them early game, and were decent enough in melee that anything that survived long enough to reach them, probably wouldn't survive the fight.
As far as I remember you don't get all the remaining bonuses if you pre-emptively do the final battle of one adventure. You need to do all the small missions first. 🤔
I have said it before and I will say it again. There is nothing in TWW that is as satisfying as watching any gun, cannon, artillery unit just mowe down enemies before they even get a hit off. There just nothing that can compare to watching a line of guns turn your enemies into mist.
The fact that you went through the entire challenge basking in the glory of how overpowered Malakai is, and only at the very end use *the* single most overpowered unit of the bunch and just lose it is amazing.
People acting like just because dwarves are now competitive they are broken.... I can tell you right here and now there's a whole lot more factions still a whole lot better than them.
@@brentonherbert7775 I meant specifically Malakai and the way he can buff units in his campaign. Grapeshot for Cannons is something only he can do, and yes, it is *VERY* broken.
People acting like just because dwarves are now competitive they are broken.... I can tell you right here and now there's a whole lot more factions still a whole lot better than them.
Lorewise it kinda makes sense that malakai, and by extension the other ranged slayers, use powerful guns, as the skayer oath states that you must die fighting a worthy foe, but you must do so by giving it your all and fighting your best, so if say a thunderer or artillery team had to take the oaths, their all would be turning the enemies into swiss cheese while hoping one is strong enough to endure and kill them Actually kinda sad when you rhink about it
the whole slayer oath itself is kinda sad. like becoming a dragonslayer, or a demonslayer, may come with a level of prestige and awe for any other race, but its a massive mark of disgrace for a Dawi, cuz it means even a damn dragon or demon wasn't enough to let you fulfill your oath.
By the way for anyone curious the reason Malakai took the slayer oath is because he built a ship called the Unsinkable which sank on its first trip and a Thunderbarge called the Undestructible which exploded and a lot of lives were lost because of this. Also Gotrek doesn't like him much because despite his slayer oath he became a teacher in the main Nuln Gunnery School instead of charging head first into a trolls open mouth.
Love seeing this guy's content! Always a great day when I wake up and see what new silly shit he's been working on ❤ Can't wait to see what new Warhammer 3 shenanigans you come up with next!
finally a video showcasing what ive been saying since tod dropped. everyone was complaining about the thunderbarge, but the campaign is over long before you get to recruit them, gyros just destroy early to mid game.
18:25 this army was spawned by the khorne adventure, where you can either kill the champion of khorne or the other 3 champs, but yeah if you don't complete it or clear them they just vibe, probably the nicest chaos fellas out there
Malakai is no coward, he just had a broader perspective. Give him a personal reason and he will go in. Dragon hurts his Spirit of Grungni, time to personally slay a dragon.
Malakai is the only Dwarf to ever look at the slayer oath and go "doesn't say I can't just shoot everything before they get close enough no does it."
if it cant tank a bullet it wouldn't be strong enough to end him anyways...
@@sunshinekreu7684fill something with enough metal and sooner or later it’ll stop moving
He takes his slayer oath as more of a suggestion
Mostly how the slayer oath works for him is he makes really dangerous weapons that he used to kill monsters
"A death from a mechanical mishap is a worthy doom! And if it isn't my doom, at least I get to slay the enemies of the Karaz Ankor."
“Gotrek and Felix may not have guns”
That’s a grudge. You seen Gotrek’s arms? Nothing but guns
Wp
Have another like
That’s it, he’s going in the book.
gotreck aint got gun, that drwaf got cannons for bizpes and not any old normal ones no them arms are called big bess.
", carpet bombed by the entire Canadian Airforce,"
We just stopped sayin' sorry, budd.
The Geneva checklist is ready.
😆
That moment when someone insulted ice hockey?
Sorry, but not sorry, you see, clearly saying sorry did not work. When it does not work, the pain then arrives. Do not push us past the sorry stage.
lol
We have two settings: "Sorry" and "Warcrimes".
Every single instance of mispronunciation of Malakai Makaisson or Spirit of Grungni is going straight into the book.
Better get a new book, the old one is getting full.
@@melle4390 TIME FOR A RECKONING!
@@melle4390 There's no such thing. They'll keep adding pages.
We need a bigger book!😂
Malakai literally says his name lol.
"they've just been vibing for 10 turns"
My brother in Grungni, that's a Slaanesh army, you know what they've been doing for 10 turns.
Malakai isn’t OP he’s just smart enough to use a gun, and if that doesn’t work… he uses more gun!
For the rare cases where that doesn't work either, he uses a big friggin gun. With axeblades.
Practical solution to practical problems.
the chaos dwarves are just red team
Fun fact! Emergency repairs is actually 30% health restored! It tics at second 0 as well as 1 and 2
"Everybody shoot the K'daai Destroyer because it will fucking K'daai destroy you."
guns hurt who wouldve thunk it
you thinked it? i thunk you thoughted it.
As America, anything is possible. Just be careful of talking trees.
Drycha: HAH
trees talk? napalm. no geneva convention in warhammer
@@russmanYTIt didnt exactly matter back then either
@@vikingsundlof9040 it’s not war crimes if it’s being committed against people that are a different color than you
@@vikingsundlof9040 doesn't really matter now, either. no one has the authority to enforce them.
On the grapeshot cannons: No, the rune of burning is not why they are overpowered. They are overpowered because they are REALLY overpowered. That Ammo train mission was hard carried for me with just the cannons. Single target the big stuff, and then when they tried to cross the bridge I switched to grapeshot and took out the entire army in about 2 or maybe 3 salvo's with 4 cannons.
Cannon adventure was the first adventure I took because it made the most sense objective-wise. I quit the campaign at turn 15. I was playing as aggressive as possible and was under no threat ever, it was the least challenging campaign I've ever tried. In most of the battles 90% of the enemies were dead from cannons by the time Spirit of Grugni was summonable.
At least with Ikit or Elspeth I felt like those upgrades got stronger over time so i got something to look forward to. With Malakai's cannons I didn't feel like playing anymore when at turn 7 I'm getting a doomstack. Maybe if I went Gyros i would've had more fun
The grape shot cannons were bugged with projectiles having 3 size instead of .3 like the empire does, in the latest hot fix they fix the cannons.
@@robertcerniglia2616 They're still super strong
They still ruin anything they target
To be fair that's very faithful to the tabletop game. Cannons were always sort of bullshit.
I love how derpy autoresolve is, it looks at an army of mostly orc laborers against the fucking royal air force and is like best I can do is a valiant defeat.
It's because he is playing on hard difficulty.
@@roslolian11 Its actually remarkably fair on any difficulty in WH3, if anything it favors the players some.
Its hard for them to judge some though because all gun armies in the AI hands are very very bad, they get rushed down quickly. Traditionally gunlines get shut down by a single unit breaking through, and require a lot of careful planning on laying them out. So if it runs a quick battle sim without seeing any frontline units it just assumes they'll get rolled over and cant fire. Malekai is barely a campaign anymore though he's so overpowered.
The grapeshot on the cannons is one of the funniest things i've used in the game
Oh yeah and it's not just the rune of burning. They can do that kind of damage from turn 5 when you unlock the adventure and then never fall off.
BrilliantStupidity: *Says "Grugni." 724 times.*
Thorgrim: "That's going in the book!"
"unfortunately no guns"
IRONDRAKES ARE RIGHT THERE
he said he wasnt using flamethrower units later in the video
@@Mugetsu542 He should have said it sooner then.... Or just stopped being a female canine and used em.
Flamethrowers aren't guns technically.
How so? A gun is anything man portable that ejects a projectile unless it engages a self contained propellant system, then its a launcher. Doesnt explicitly require explosive propellant because railguns, BB guns and bowguns (crossbows without the cross part just a compacting spring and rail) are still guns.
They arent a rifle or a firearm, but they are a gun and an arm that fires fire.
@@deathninja16 they are literally drakeGUNS tbh they are a sort of napalm or phosphorous like projectile. yes they are alchemical based, but blackpoweder is that too.
One thing I learned, I believe it was from LegendOfTotalWar, is that spells like regen spells/abilities that are on a timer still trigger on the 0th second. So in actuality, you gyrocopters should be getting 30% extra hp since it heals 30% total from that adventure bonus.
25:33 Giving respects to the gunner unit that had been there since the beginning, dying to give the short campaign victory.
FOR ROCK ANS STONE
Rock.And.StooOOne!
Did I heard a Rock and stone?
FOR KARL
STRICK THE EARTH
from another good dwarf game
Rock and Stone Brother!
Malakai: *kills every surrounding neighbour, both friend and foe, Kislevite and Chaos, using just his brains, brawn and technological innovation*
Khorne: *begrudging nod of respect and approval*
Second before Khorne gets 60 grapeshot cannisters to the face
Malakai was never a coward. He just thought the Slayer Oath was a relic of a different time and a symptom of the decline of the Dawi.
He took the Oath because he was forced to, but he never intended to follow through because he thought it was wrong for ANY Dawi to seek death. There's few enough of them already and he wanted them to grow with the times. Hence why he and Franz got along so well
"I feel like our people are a dying breed because of relics like the Slayer Oath."
"HOW DARE YOU QUESTION OUR TRADITIONS? THAT'S GOING IN THE BOOK!"
"The book is also an outdated relic that holds us back by not allowing us to move on from the past."
"THAT'S GOING IN THE BOOK _DOUBLE!"_
"Campaign's haunted."
"What?"
Grabs shotgun.
"Campaign's haunted.'
7:55 Welcome to Estalia gentlemen!
24:25 - I think this was everyone's reaction to pre-nerf Dwarf grapeshot. Simply glorious.
0:17 Hail Omnisiah!
Gotrek and Felix plot armor so thick you can't even tell them to fuck off from your army.
Felix' plot armor eventually wares off though.
The Dawi cannons in the final battle against Khorne be like: "Yes, please, hold up your shields. That just gives us a nice target to aim at."
"its just a gun, that has a propeller on it"
So it is a dwarven A-10.
"I am a dwarf weapons are part of my religion" -
Malakai Makaison
That moment you ACCIDENTALLY make a doomstack! 😂😂😂
The darven gods woke me up to watch this video
What did you mean when you said "SHORT" victory?
"One wrong put right... but the Great Book of Grudges remains full."
settlin grudges ye say? THATS A GRUDGIN!! GET THE BOOK!
Having played this campaign myself a few times, the cannon doomstack is STUPIDLY OP. However, it's outpaced by the Thunderbarge doomstack. You literally cannot lose. Four full stacks of dragons? Ignored. Four full stacks of max level doomstacks of anything? It will win, handily.
Facts. I once sent around 6 of those things into a settlement and within moments of reaching firing range three enemy units were routing, another was half-dead, and the wall had been knocked down by complete accident. I didn’t even know their main guns could damage walls until then. Honestly, they could use a nerf, but you won’t see me complaining to CA about it.
The only weaknesses I can see from them are their cost, their autoresolve performance, and the fact they can’t land, which isn’t really that bad compared to their damage output. Honestly, all you really need are 3 or 4 before your army becomes nigh unstoppable.
Both Gotrek and Felix uses guns throughout their books so it still counts.
ROCK AND STONE FOREVER
The tears of Joy of a psycho 24:26
"Respectable". Resplattable. Glorious moment.
Ikkit on a nearby mountain with a stack of scribes: 'write-scribe that down, we take-steal and make even better yes-yes' In other news people are finding empty shipwrecks on land now.
the dwarf bringing fighter jet warfare to fantasy I see
DWARVEN ENGINEERING! RAH!
4:04 the only downside for the airship encamp is that it doesn't provide ambush protection; however, an airship doomstack doesn't care late game about ambushes
Props for using the Fodlan Winds theme towards the end. Really tied the whole ‘demolishing enemy armies with almost zero effort while listening to epic music’ thing together.
So just to clarify; Flame throwers do count as guns. Sure they may spray a type of flammable liquid at the target, but that is still in the classification of a gun. Though in the case of Flame Cannons, it's a much easier sell. Cause it has the word "Cannon" in there. That is just a big and angry gun. In short, even if it belches flame it's a gun all the same!
The real joke is he considers the steam shooting gyrocopters a gun but not the fire options
I found your channel back when you did your empire guns only campaign. Wow you've grown a lot since! Happy to see you doing well and to watch another based gunpowder campaign haha
Dies of old age because Time is the only opponent worthy of him
"I have no idea how to classify guns" the most ATF statement I've ever heard lol.
Your content is entertaining man, you've got a new subscriber!
0:31 Malakai Macasson truly peak
Airship encampment: Although the airship may stay in the air perpetually, I reason that they still need to drop boots on the ground to gather local supplies, food, and fuel.
Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again - Great book of Grudges
“That might be part of why they’re overpowered.”
No, that’s just kinda how the Grapeshot Cannons work. It’s balanced out by their value also usually coming from turning your own frontline into paste as well.
True, your front line is either hero's (which will get hit) or none at all..... cause if you had one, the cannons just fire "To who'm this may concern" volley's be it your front line, the enemy, and they have grudges against air in general too.
I'm always shocked how similar the music choices you have in these videos is to my typical vibe. More than once I had to check if I had my music playing in the background lol.
I was waitin' for this.
I'm gonna wait for the Skulls for the Skull Throne event to see if I can grab it on a sale but I can't wait to try this campaign.
Malakai, Gotrek, Felix and Ulrika are gonna save the world baby. Shame that Max and Snorri aren't around to help but, oh well, I'm sure they will make an appearance when Thanquol rears his ugly head from... wherever he is hiding it.
“It’s not exactly the most ethical way to do warfare… but, there isn’t one, so it’s good enough for me.”
I feel like a lot of world leaders have said that over history
"So is this dwarf...... one of my people?"
- Balthasar "Kilgore" Gelt
*blasts "Fortunate Son" in the background*
Brilliant, your continued pronunciation of Makaisson's name is earning you a spot in The Book.
Wanna say man you're one of my favourite TW Warhammer youtubers. Missed your uploads, would love to see more frequent videos!
“With the difficulty set to…. YES”! 1:00 that was wayy funny than it had ever right to be… 😂😂😂
That laugh at 24:30.
No one should ever give this man power.
Yoooo earliest I've been!
It cannot be a true gyrocopter experience without the supreme patriarch himself welcoming you to estalia
Going to be frank. As a veteran from the first one, never underestimate dwarven guns. While they might have gotten power crept a bit, the humble thunderer pretty easily could rip apart almost anything thrown against them early game, and were decent enough in melee that anything that survived long enough to reach them, probably wouldn't survive the fight.
As far as I remember you don't get all the remaining bonuses if you pre-emptively do the final battle of one adventure. You need to do all the small missions first. 🤔
That is indeed the case.
Note that those small missions don't go away, you can still complete them for the bonuses after doing the final battle.
1:31 "These guys don't appear to be experienced hikers" 😂😂😂
Black powder to liberate the holds!
Also, gnoblar only challenge when? = )
I have said it before and I will say it again. There is nothing in TWW that is as satisfying as watching any gun, cannon, artillery unit just mowe down enemies before they even get a hit off. There just nothing that can compare to watching a line of guns turn your enemies into mist.
Fortunate Son is screaming at me in the first 10 minutes.
The fact that you went through the entire challenge basking in the glory of how overpowered Malakai is, and only at the very end use *the* single most overpowered unit of the bunch and just lose it is amazing.
People acting like just because dwarves are now competitive they are broken....
I can tell you right here and now there's a whole lot more factions still a whole lot better than them.
@@brentonherbert7775 I meant specifically Malakai and the way he can buff units in his campaign. Grapeshot for Cannons is something only he can do, and yes, it is *VERY* broken.
proof that malakai is just a little bit broken... but only a little tiny bit ;)
People acting like just because dwarves are now competitive they are broken....
I can tell you right here and now there's a whole lot more factions still a whole lot better than them.
A rare video where you do not suffer 70-80% of the video. A fresh sensation. Let's not abuse it.
By the ancestors. It's Malakai with the peoples shotgun!!
Another amazing high quality video, keep up the work brother you’re smashing it!
The...'short' victory?
That ones going in the fucking BOOK.
Lorewise it kinda makes sense that malakai, and by extension the other ranged slayers, use powerful guns, as the skayer oath states that you must die fighting a worthy foe, but you must do so by giving it your all and fighting your best, so if say a thunderer or artillery team had to take the oaths, their all would be turning the enemies into swiss cheese while hoping one is strong enough to endure and kill them
Actually kinda sad when you rhink about it
the whole slayer oath itself is kinda sad. like becoming a dragonslayer, or a demonslayer, may come with a level of prestige and awe for any other race, but its a massive mark of disgrace for a Dawi, cuz it means even a damn dragon or demon wasn't enough to let you fulfill your oath.
today i learned that even khornes units can feel fear as seen on the bridge
LETS GO DWAAAAAAARFS
Looking like a command and conquer hero with all the whirly birds
Loved your reaction to the grapeshot cannon doing so much work at the end. I think you'd enjoy LegendofTotalWar's Grapeshot Cannon doomstack video
By the way for anyone curious the reason Malakai took the slayer oath is because he built a ship called the Unsinkable which sank on its first trip and a Thunderbarge called the Undestructible which exploded and a lot of lives were lost because of this. Also Gotrek doesn't like him much because despite his slayer oath he became a teacher in the main Nuln Gunnery School instead of charging head first into a trolls open mouth.
Babe wake up BrilliantStupidity uploaded
Love seeing this guy's content! Always a great day when I wake up and see what new silly shit he's been working on ❤
Can't wait to see what new Warhammer 3 shenanigans you come up with next!
finally a video showcasing what ive been saying since tod dropped. everyone was complaining about the thunderbarge, but the campaign is over long before you get to recruit them, gyros just destroy early to mid game.
18:25 this army was spawned by the khorne adventure, where you can either kill the champion of khorne or the other 3 champs, but yeah if you don't complete it or clear them they just vibe, probably the nicest chaos fellas out there
You should have done the new empire legendary lord that has access to the amethyst armory
as a wise man ones said
use more guns
duuuuude, I've just finished Daemonslayer, didn't know they made Madlad Makaisson into an actual character. Peak dwarven engineering, this is
those cannons on that bridge was beautiful such a satisfying sight to see
ROCK AND STONE BROTHERS
minute 24: 25 ¨ laugh in warcrimes ¨
The khorne battle makes me wonder how the old world fell and created age of sigmar....
Malakai is no coward, he just had a broader perspective. Give him a personal reason and he will go in. Dragon hurts his Spirit of Grungni, time to personally slay a dragon.
Good job on releasing this video literally hours before they made big changes to the dwarfs
9:00 No, this is actually perfectly ethical. No war crime in dropping a bomb on a soldier.
Great application of the second rule of knife fights.
Rule 1: Bring a gun!
Rule 2: Bring friends with guns!
TBF other than plague toads, I feel like most of us are someone prone to getting shot in the face by a canon
When is only Cathay guns or only scaven guns
"war crimes! War crimes! War crimes!"
There battle anthem of the dwarves
"I have the F***ing Air Force, brother" God bless
"I have no idea how to classify guns"
The ATF would like to hire you then
You know brimstone guns are still guns yet you decided to disband them they could’ve been useful