Boogie Cousins talks Top 5 Point Guards of All-Time
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2022
- DeMarcus Cousins Joins Josiah Johnson, LaJethro Jenkins, and Zach Schwartz expresses why he feels that Chris Paul shouldn’t be in the Top 5 Point Guard of All-Time Conversation. #chrispaul #nba #demarcuscousins
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I love Boogie showcasing his knowledge of the game. Wish he had more health and success during his career. Dude was a beast!
F'd he still isn't playing. Refs throwing him out of games for throwing up his hands in frustration WHILE WALKING AWAY!
Childish on the court, and to no surprise, doesn't have knowledge to showcase off the court.
John Stockton is easily top 5. He was a ten-time All Star, led the league in assists a record nine consecutive seasons, and holds the single-season record for assists with 1,164. At the time of his retirement, Stockton held the NBA career record for assists and steals with 15,806 and 3,265 respectively. Stockton never missed the playoffs in his nearly two decades playing for the Jazz. He had a 51.5 career shooting percentage and with a reliable three-point shot (38.4% lifetime average). As of today, he is 55th on the all-time NBA scoring list with 19,711 career points. So he would be about 55/5000 of the total NBA players to ever play. He was one of the chosen few to be selected to play on the dream team. So hes 55th of 5000 NBA players in scoring all time, most assists ever, most steals ever, two finals appearances vs Jordans Bulls, dream team, 10 time all star.
That's the problem tho, head to head stats they are almost the same so if Stockton is there, so should CP3.
Stockton is #1 and it is not close.
that’s crazy cause he did all that to still have done less than magic steph zeke rondo tony and chauncey 😂 played 82 games like 18 times ofc he gonna have the most stats
@@llkla4507 He averaged more assists than all of those players in his career except Magic.
@@negativezero3107 stockton couldnt do it in the playoffs, #4 at best
Tony Parker was a “Buckeeeeeet” lol they emphasis had me rolling.
dude was the best paint scorer in the NBA for a couple seasons at 6ft2 ( i’m being generous he’s more like 6ft)
Stockton is a real life superhero; dad/insurance salesman by day and NBA PG by night! All time assist leader no less.
And steals leader no one will ever break those records either
He's more like a super villain being the steals leader too. Also for the "dirty" plays. Haha 90's ball baby.
@@dh3824 Think he don't mind that too, being branded as villain
He also had Malone to bail him out, but we’ll leave that alone.
@@dh3824 Pretty much mix of hero and villain, with his incredible athletic feats and records, with his toughness, with their old empire-like Jazz, with the fans hero, his no-drama, his humility and his family personal traits.
You love to see Demarcus mention greats like Nash and JKidd
in term of pure pg, i take nash or kidd over curry everyday
@@ziziizi2784 pure pg is a made up word… thats just hypothetical & determines nothing
@@austintripp9297 all words are made up.
@@austintripp9297 not made up just a position that doesn’t exist anymore. Game has moved pass them being needed.
First thing I thought. Chris Paul isn’t on Nash’s level
Demarcus has ultimate respect for all spurs legends we love to see it
Hell yeah
CP3 would not have cooked Stockton. John was one of the mentally toughest players, consistently among the league leaders in steals and by all accounts very strong, scrappy, hyper competitive despite his quiet demeanor and maybe the best fundamentals of any player ever. True story, our best player in 8th grade went to Stockton camp. Stockton guarded our friend because he was one of the better kids in that camp, he told us Stockton didn’t let him score once. Stockton was so competitive he made you earn every bucket even if you were in middle school
John was one of the best defensive og ever!
and he used only his right hand on hos entire career. Imagine if he used his left too.
John wouldn’t have gotten injured.
Bro, I think Stockton is the Mr. Fundamentals in PG position
@@august6281 that's false. He used his left. Just not a lot, but he did.
Rajon Rondo is one of the most underrated PG’s ever. People don’t realize how much impact he had on those celtics teams he was the toughest player on the floor in the finals next to kobe
He is not Underrated
I think Chauncey Billups was underrated.
He won Lebum his LAST chip too, don't forget
@@Txjumpman Chauncey had a short stint where he was the man but during that time he definitely was that guy
Rondo is overrated if anything if he’s even brought up in this conversation. I mean is he even greater than Tony Parker?
I didn’t see him play but from what they say about him.. Oscar Robinson has to be in top 5
I'm so glad someone finally said this about Chris Paul. Thank you Boogie.
Lmao it ain’t true
Me too and people act like looking back at their primes it wasent a toss up at one point rondo was as every big as good as Paul. Also it’s a reason why they say playoff rondo. I have yet to hear anyone say playoff Chris Paul
@@t-god2439re you out your mind man rest in peace kobe was guard that man at the free throw line because he couldn’t shoot, till this day nobody guarding CP like that & he was playing on Hall of fame teams and was not they go to scorer at all 🤣
@@t-god2439 false. Paul was by far the better and more efficient scorer, and it’s never been close. They both are all time great passers and defenders at their position
@@t-god2439 ohh 😮 🧐 so you never saw Chris Paul cook Jason Kidd in the playoffs when he played for the hornets?!? Cp3 was next level
in CP3 defense hes a defensive dawg 9x all defense, 6x steal leader too but this is actually a refreshing conversation never heard a perspective like Boogies cus most people naming Chris in that top 5 but this is dope
Bro stop it bro Chris Paul is garbage he shouldn't even be in the top 75 nothing but pure top 75 of trash 😆😆😆😆
@@djdoc06 no he does not stop bro rajon rondo is a better rebounder than he is each time he in the playoffs he chokes every single time he got cooked by Dallas last year no this guy needs no more praise
@@isiahspencer3028 Steph is a better rebounder than cp...
@@djdoc06 lol what an casual take
Lol he purposely tried to ignore those accolades
D-marc actually speaking facts. Smart guy
He didn't even mention Oscar
He's never seen him play
What did you just call him? Lol he got so much nicknames and you choose to make another one up🤣🤣
@@sdski223 you can't tell me it doesn't slap
Boogie pushing some good points despite how erratic I think he can be (on court). His basketball opinion and iq is super solid. And I wouldn’t have expected it, but I’m glad I didn’t or else I wouldn’t have been impressed.
You wouldn’t expect a nba player to have a good Opinion on the NBA??id expect someone like you to have a bad basketball IQ because you’ve never played
Everyone sleeps on Stockton. Especially the younger generation. He was a quiet assassin. Brought every night. Efficient as fuck.
cp3 was more effiecient tho on higher volume and he was a significantly better defender and ik stockton could defend but cp3 you can hardly dribble the ball infront of him or its cookies stockton has gotten cooked plenty on defense
Other players literally called him a cone from a defensive prospective. People now days don’t know what good defense is. Yes cp3 had quick hands so he could get a number of steals. Jason Kidd was the same. But nobody cooked Stockton. You have no reference to this. No one has claimed to cook him or reference him as being a weak point defensively.
Other players literally called him a cone from a defensive prospective. People now days don’t know what good defense is. Yes cp3 had quick hands so he could get a number of steals. Jason Kidd was the same. But nobody cooked Stockton. You have no reference to this. No one has claimed to cook him or reference him as being a weak point defensively.
Brought it every night is so underrated. Nowadays people think a guy playing 70 games is a full season. Stockton brought it every single night. He missed 4 games in his last 13 seasons, and like 50 games in 18 years.
I thought this was going to be a hardcore discussion and then he put up MVP😮💨
Hey does anybody know the brand/model of his sunglasses or the affordable version?
Thanks
The quarterback of the court....Magic, Zeke, J.Kidd, Penny, Glove, Nash, Stockton, big O, Tiny Archibald, Rondo. From Cousy to Johnson the position evolved so much.
You forgot Pistol Pete.
Thank you for showing Rondo some love. Dude is underrated as an all time pg.
And Mark Jackson and Mark Price and Kevin Johnson and……
Awww man. I forgot about Penny. Injuries derailed his career, but in his prime Penny was one of the best players ever.
Waly Clyde Frasier too!
CP have a lot more all-nba teams than those he mentioned though.
and he should’ve got the MVP in 2008 by how MVP’s are voted consistently
@@MOCdude over Kobe but they have to save kobe's legacy which kinda sucked
CP got more all-nba chokes than those he mentioned too
Magic, Steph, Zeke, Stockton, and Kidd.
That's a good list.
I think what people have to realise is that there are more than 5 positions on teams that get mixed up. If anything James is a Point forward which is a completely different approach than PG… see Draymond or Anthony Mason.
there are only 5 players on the court, but you can pick from PG, SG, SF,PF,C,PF,CG,S5
Besides size whats the difference between a point guard & a point forward?
What about GP, defensive player of the year 96'. Champion, led another team to the finals and elite 2 way player... does defense matter? If it does, the list has to include Magic, Isaiah, Steph, Stockton and then the last slot would be between Kidd and Payton for me. Last 3 might be the best for an all time team starting line up too, cause you wouldn't necessarily need their scoring on that type of squad. Something to think about...
Honorable mentions to CP3, Steve Nash, Tony P.arker, Westbrook and Cousy. (Leaving off AI, Oscar and Jerry West because they were more hybrid 2's.)
Who did I miss?
u asked if defense matters? and then proceed to put magic isiah and steph ahead cp3 who is arguably the best defender in history at his position
@@malikanderson9999anybody who is making that argument has no business discussing basketball. 😂
@@easygreensniper magic n isiah played no defense
@@malikanderson9999 Zeke was a great defender actually, much better than CP for sure. GP Is pretty much the undisputed best defender at the PG position. Stockton was also a better defender than CP.
@@easygreensniper nah u wrong bro cp3 Is a miles better defender then Isaiah
Damn! Boogie was right Ai was a 3 in that offense with the 76's
AI was 5 players at once, at least on offense. He was that team.
good on bro at the end for both acknowledging that he disagrees but concedes that he doesn't have the standing to tell someone like boogie that he's wrong. Good way to have conversations and debates in good faith
I see what boogie is saying. And i kinda agree. But i still think cp3 has to be at least 5. But i can't really argue much bcuz he was kinda spittin facts. I just think cp3 brings a lot to his teams in the best way possible for a what a true point guard is supposed to do. 2-way player, makes everyone around him better, great passer, master of the 2-man pick and roll game with consistent lob threats, smart decision-maker generally, efficient from the floor. He's disappointed in a lot of big moments, but 99% of the time he's on the floor, he's the perfect point guard.
I was upset Parker wasn't mentioned but yall got me
Glad to see him give props to tony parker. Underrated af.
He's not on the top-75, and doesn't belong on it. TP getting a mention in a top-5 PG conversation proves he's overrated.
D cuZz thank you for asking these real questions. And I think Demarcus is looking at it from the standpoint if I’m a big man who do i think is the best at getting me the ball. And him saying rondo honestly if you look at their whole career rondo is better at getting you the ball and controlling the game than a lot of those guys. And I’ll say this it’s a reason why rondo had two rings and paul doesn’t have one
Rondo played with KG, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen and Chris Paul didn't. I'm not saying they carried Rondo but don't act like he's the reason they won. He was a role player. Chris Paul was always the best all around player on any team he played on and he had to compete against dynasties. He played in the West in the era of the Lakers, the Spurs and the Warriors. Rondo is not and never was better than Chris Paul.
@@ContextReallyMatters they won that chip in 08 and it was a clear big 3 but by 2010 it was a clear big 4 by 2011-12 rondo is the best player on that team also add in the fact that Boston before they got kg and Allen got rid of everybody except rondo and pierce so let’s not act like rondo just got drafted by the team and stayed on there by accident they wanted him on that team then years later rondo is the 3rd best player on the lakers when they win their “bubble” chip
Legends talk different about Stockton. He brought it every night. And pulled up to the game in a minivan 💪
cp3 was in 11 time all nba team,5 times assist champ, 6 times steal leader, and especially 7 times first team all defense.... people really forgot how great cp3 was as a defender in his position
Steph is a point guard. He is legit the best at getting open looks for his team which is a point guard's job
You are absolutely wrong and don't know it.
Draymond brings the ball up
Bro Steph ain't responsible for running the offense when Draymond is on the floor that should tell you something
Glad you mentioned Tony Parker.
Was waiting on him to talk about TD
cant forget big O
I’d say Magic, Curry, Zeke, Stock, Glove. All kinds of respect for CP3, Kidd, Nash, and under appreciated PGs like Fish, KJ, and DJ. Luka and Ja are going to rewrite my list someday if they stay healthy.
Oscar Robertson
PG that where very good and under appreciated are David Bing Mark Price Derek Harper Terry Porter Kevin Johnson Andre Miller Terrell Brandon
And there were good point guards who played before the 80s.
@@jasonlevesque6340 Oscar
LOL yall are tripppin if you think Glove / Stockton over CP3
Magic, Steph, Zeke, Stockton, JKidd and GP are all ahead of cp3
Thank you Boogie for bringing up J Kidd as an all time great point guard
Man my Boi Tony Parker was the truth, couldn't be stopped
Tony Parker!! Had the best FG% in the paint.. As a point guard!!
true, always overlooked also
Which means nothing to a true fan of basketball. Casuals look at that as something special. Tim Duncan being in the paint makes it easier for other players to score around the rim. If Tony Parker wasn't the starter, then whoever was starting would be leading in field goal percentage. This is common since to ballers and day 1 fans, but casuals have to be told things like this to humble their know it all point of view.
Prior to TP the Point Guard was Avery Johnson, who I loved, but I’ll tell ya.. Avery Johnson was no where near the scorer that Parker was. Also.. George Hill was also the point for a while and he didn’t have the finishing skills Parker had. Deron Williams was rated above Parker and no where near the finisher Parker was. TP’s floaters and spin move finishes were unmatched! Not even Steve Nash nor CP3 had those moves. Duncan or any other big set high screens for the on ball defenders but Parker still had to finish over the rotating big(usually scoring on a double team)where his floater was a killer or he scored driving and shielding the ball with his body. Even without the screener Parker mostly attacked and penetrated from Iso plays. His finishes on fast breaks were all him attacking with contact or completely freezing the defender(s) with his over the top crossover or that spin move!
Humble that!
@@venusspacey9685 you’re just a fan. Those who know Tony Parker’s skill set are actual players. Even recreational players can recognize how talented he was. And that just someone else couldn’t do what he did.
@@nayeemazam2874 I'm a legit hooper actually. Tony was good. That's it. He was molding into a solid floor general for the spurs. Like kwahi leanard was molded into a great player. Bron came in a beast. Jordan, Kyrie, ai, magic, Chris Paul, KD, etc.. these guys came in ready for pro basketball in several aspects. I watched the spurs. Was my dad favorite team. I hooped my whole life. Tony Parker eventually was good enough to be a point guard for any team.
Cp3 is arguably as good as anyone other than Magic, Steph, Zeke. He played similar to Stockton BUT Stockton has UNBELIEVABLE records that won't be broken. I think in a match-up CP3 can cook him but idk. GP the glove needs a mention too
Great analysis!
Oscar Robertsen should be mentioned above CP3 too.
Cp3 a better point guard than steph. To name steph with zeke and magic just show you know very little about what you're talking about. You're a fan if curry first, then basketball, so your opinion will biased and diluted.
Steph is better than cp3.
Steph to me is a 2 guard his assist is very low as a point guard we talking pure pg
Finallysomeone says it. Btw is maravich a sg or pg
He played the 2
Debating the greatest of all time in a team sport is always a moving target. MJ couldn't get to the finals without all NBA caliber help but once he got to the finals with the right help, all-time great help, then he was a beast. Beast. LeBron got to the finals with a team that MJ could never have taken to the finals. But once in the finals LeBron couldn't handle it the way MJ handled it.
It's a team sport and debating individual greatness will always be subjective
!!!!!!!
Mike led the league in scoring for basically a decade. He carried a team just as well as LeBron. The worst player in the league is just way closer to LeBron in 2010 than the worst player in the league was to Mike in 90. The floor was raised over time. Shit, for a lot of those years in the 90's Mutumbo was a top 15-25 player and he's basically just a better Mitchell Robinson.
Look at the Heat in 2011. 3 top 15 players and lost in the finals. Ask yourself if there was a world in which a team with Mike, Stockton, and Hakeem EVER comes close to losing a series in the 90's. Role players (like the ones that were on Dallas) are infinitely better now than they were in the 80's-90's and it makes it far easier for a single star to carry a team to good results.
If this wasn't true, LeBron's finals record would be far better. His biggest issue in the finals is just being able to carry teams that shouldn't be there to the finals where he inevitably runs into a better team. In 87-88' Mike wins a playoff series with Rookie Pippen off the bench, a VERY old Artis Gilmore (who ends up being traded and then retiring after playing a year in Italy), and Horace Grant (rookie season and off the bench as well) as the other best players on the team.
His second leading scorer over the season is Sam Vincent, who averaged 7.8 ppg career lmao. Still took a game off Pistons in the second round too. The gap between role players and stars was just way bigger. Now you have 4th options capable of going off for 30 on every other team. That shit was unheard of when Mike played.
Who did Lebron beat to get to the Finals? Scrubs.
Jordan played 5 HOFs vs Boston
and Pistons twice champs.
He stayed in Chicago to exorcise the demons, he didn’t bail with top 5 players in his draft class. (Barkley/Olajuwon = Wade/Bosh)
He was the best player in the NBA from 88-98 maybe even before 88.
He’s got a point no one wants to talk about a lot of point guards especially Westbrook he has the most triple doubles made it to the finals has an mvp average 20 plus triple double season multiple times in okc and with the wizards and is doing great as a bench player now
It doesn’t matter what Russ did individually. He doesn’t and never has impacted winning nearly to the level of cp3. When Russ got traded out of okc everyone thought they’d be in the gutter but cp3 literally carried them to a better record than they had with Russ and pg13. Even take his mvp season. What’s 30+ ppg when you’re shooting 42% from the field? What’s 10+ assists when you’re averaging 6 turnovers? What’s 10+ rebounds when you’re literally stealing them from your teammates and not getting back on defense or running in transition to get an easy bucket. What’s all of that when every point you get for your team on offense you give right back up on defense? I’ve never seen anybody get beat on back door cuts to the basket as much as Russ does. His eyes are constantly on the ball he refuses to watch his man. Btw he did all of that having the highest usage percentage in nba history.
To his rondo point. Rondo was every bit as good as Russ at getting triple doubles. The only difference is rondo was so much smart as a player
@@t-god2439 no the difference is the era. Start rondo in westbrooks era and you’ll see him get much more triple doubles.
@@MyDixieNormis yeah you right I meant to say rondo is the smarter player it’s so obvious
Westbrook's body of work is great but all of what you said does not amount to a top 5 PG career IMHO.
Stockton, Nash, Kidd, Zeke, Magic, Steph and CP all sit above him. Maybe Big O and GP too
3:05 I hate it when people keep saying that one of nash's mvps belongs to kobe. No it does not. Just cause kobe only has one and he's one of the goats. Kobe was 4th in MVP votes in 2006, where the race was between lebron and steve nash. and in 2005, the race for mvp was between shaq and steve nash, and kobe didn't even get a single vote.
I don’t think anybody thinks Kobe should have the 05 MVP
One belong to Shaq and the other one to Kobe
@@flash_icon5267 casual
Stockton is most likely like an assassin, before u realized u dead. He was like a sniper who shot only when completely wide open or on bail outs. He focused on orchestrating the offense for others. A master
By the same token you gotta extend the debate to Jokic -
He runs the offense too
The Suns were 34-39 the year before Chris Paul came. 51-21 the year after and they should have won the NBA finals. The Clippers were 32-50 the year before Chris Paul came. They were 40-26 the year after. In his only season with OKC where they traded away everyone trying to tank, they were 44-28. CP3 is one of those players like Steve Nash that just makes everyone better. Some of these teams have 3-4 superstars and still can't be successful. CP3 can play with anyone and make them good.
Good but not great
The problem is, he doesn’t have the “it” factor when it matters most.
@@antoniochavez5232that’s cap. He’s been clutch plenty of times. Problem was in his prime he got hurt at inopportune times frequently and now he’s at an advanced age and tires out as the season goes on. He definitely has had a clutch factor when healthy
but if winning (& rings) is what separates legendary players from great players, a 17 year vet with one appearance in the conference finals cant be among the greatest of all time. CP3 is really talented, a huge prick and cheap shot artist, crazy bball IQ, and came up short in the biggest moments of his career constantly...... All of these things can be true at once.
nahhhhhhh bs he’s had plenty of star studded teams multiple allstars in a team or multiple all nba players but only played 1x in the WCF? lmfao wtf is that seems like a good player to me not great not top 5 too
I'd add Gary Payton into the convo with Kidd, Nash & Stockton. Payton has the record of 9 straight all NBA defensive first teams and a dpoy. Kevin Johnson was great too. Tim Hardaway. Rod Strickland. Jason Williams. There is a plethora of great PG's outside the 3 automatic selections of Curry, Magic and Thomas. CP3 isn't in the top 5 for me, he's somewhere in the next 5-10.
Someone said it!
Payton?? Lmaoo. Westbrook, Kyrie and Lillard over him any day
@@holdmyweight3597prime GP is locking your best guard and putting up 22pts 8ast 5rb on good efficiency lol. In his prime he is better than Kyrie and Lillard
@@siddhshahi8649 A better defender I’ll give you that but as an overall player. Lillard and Kyrie’s talent level and skill set are better
Wow boogie is right bra I never thought about it this way.
When we’re discussing “greatness,” you have to consider this - Jesse Owens was categorically slower than Lashawn Merritt, but Merritt is nowhere near as “great” as Owens was.
Sure, CP3 would kill Cousy or Robertson one versus one, but he’s not as great as them either. Then you have Walt Frazier, who won two finals in New York and was one of the greatest big game performers in basketball history.
John Stockton made the NBA all defense team 3 years. The disrespect has got to stop.
He was an overrated system player who was available majority of the time.... Stockton did not put fear in teams gameplan
@@Tuuufff first of all, the best ability is availability. Second, if he was such a system player how is it that no one else has ever duplicated his numbers? You are just talking. Another young disrespectful internet person.
@@Tuuufff 🧢
@jaharris40 you just displayed that you know nothing about basketball and the NBA
Hell I might put tony Parker ahead of cp3 if we talking accolades.
Tony Parker never gets brought up. I hated Tony Parker but he was undeniable.
Hell yeah. 100%. Please everyone stops this CP thing
I’m an avid Chris Paul hater so this discussion is right up my alley lol. More slander please 👏🏽
Blue hat dude laughed every 36 seconds
Top 5 is solidified with IT, Curry, Big O, Magic, and West. Then you have guys like Frazier, Stockton, WB, Kidd, Nash, Tony Parker. You can't tell me CP3 is clear cut better than those guys. Frazier has 2 titles. Kidd has a championship. Nash has 2 MVPs. Stockton has 2 near untouchable records. Parker has 4 championships with a finals MVP. WB has an MVP and great numbers with the triple double record.
Shit the way it's looking CP is lucky if he's top 10.
Stockton was a great defensive player one of the best if u ain’t watch him don’t judge
not better defensively then cp3
@@malikanderson9999 I don’t know man Mike and payton said the same thing
@@malikanderson9999 John Stockton would lock him down
@@itsdsworld209 John Stockton ain't locking up nothing def not the caliber of defender cp3 has been
@@malikanderson9999 Did you see Stockton play, his stamina was another level and could run around for days without a sweat. He was also incredibly strong boxing out real PF all the size of Lebron. Different era's so can't go like for like but the eye test looking at both, Stockton was better
What about the big o and jerry west?
Given there beef I was expecting slander, but this dude came prepared with an argument.
CP is top 5 on Kim’s list.. 😭
Top 5 of 2022?
@@EJ-gx9hl top 5 in the month of July
Bruh Gary Payton is top 5 💯🔥
Too filled with greatness to put GP in the 5.
He's still a legend though
Stop it
Demarcus sitting with these dudes shows the difference in someone who has played the game, then someone who is just fan/ was just on teams. Moreover can we PLEASE get some Josiah Johnson highlights?! Dude just be talking!
My Top 5 PG’s Update: I’m Moving Magic Too #1
2. Steph | 4 rings 1 finals MVP 2 Regular season MVP nine-time All-Star, 4x All NBA first team, 1x steal Title
1. Magic | 5 rings 3 Regular/finals MVP’s 12 All-Star games, and 9 All-NBA First Team selections & 3rd in All time tripple doubles, 7th All time Assist Leader , four Assist Titles, 2x steal Title
3. Isaiah Thomas | 2 rings 1 finals mvP 12× NBA All-Star (1982-1993) 3× All-NBA First Team (1984-1986) 2× All-NBA Second Team (1983, 1987) NBA All-Rookie First Team (1982) NBA assists leader (1985) , 9th In All time Assist Leader,
4. Big O | 1 ring 1 MVP , 12x All star 2nd in All time Tripple doubles, 8th on All time Assist Leader
5. Jason Kidd | 1 ring , 4th in All Time Tripple doubles , 10× NBA All-Star, 5x All NBA first team, All-NBA Second Team (2003) 6x All NBA All-Defensive Team, 2nd All Time Assist Leader, 5x Ast title
THANK YOU BOOG!!! RONDO IS A TOP 5 PG ALL TIME!
A hill I’ll die on anyday
RONDO TOP 5 SQUAD. HE GETS RINGS.
F Child P 3.
LMAOO🤡
9/7/4 career averages. Fewer than 1000 games played. No individual accolades to really speak of. I won't bash anyone's top 5. But I just don't see how he fits. If he's a top 5 PG cause he wins, then Robert Horry must be a GOAT status PF.
no the hell he is not
A dude who can’t shoot or hit free throws is not a top 5 pg
What about Gary Payton
Say it again for the people in the back that's hard of hearing. Thank you.
I'm taking him over Kidd, Nash, Westbrook. Pretty much taking Glove over anybody who didn't win a ring in their prime
Love this. CP3 would have cooked Stockton? How long was Stocktons career? Who cooked him? Never really gets his props, but interesting to hear people like Charles Barkley and Jason Kidd and Gary Payton talk about him. Should GP be in? Absolutely love this conversations! Could have hours of fun. Thanks all.
Who was in the league to cook him? We gotta stop acting like ppl even knew what a crossover was for most of Stocktons career
@@marquesekj You gotta stop acting we don't know who Tim Hardaway was. Why would you say we, if you don't have a clue what you talk of.
I don’t know about this too 5 either. I like Point guards that can play defense…
For example. Game 7 on the line, Rondo or Chris Paul? Thank you
End of CP career you can't deny him Top 5
magic, steph, zeke, nash/stockton, kidd/tony parker. paul is not even top 10
Westbrook above CP in an all time point guard list is CRAZY AF😂.. Stop it Boogie!!
Checks the resume
It's harsh but it's true... What did he win (individually or collectively) ?
I dunno about a top PG list because the game is position-less. You can LBJ a point guard because thats what he plays essentially. So its hard to make this kind of list.
Personally, I consider AI a pg so he’s up there. I have Stockton based on consistency. So Magic, Steph, Zeke, Stockton and AI is a respectable top 5 to me.
I also have Russ over CP. Call him a stat padder or whatever, his accolades are better and they made the same amount of finals 😂. League MVP for a reason.
Gotta disagree. CP3 is better than Stockton, Isiah, Nash and Kidd in terms of pure ability. Accolades wise, it's arguable but Stockton had Malone his whole career yet he has the same amount of rings as CP. Nash never reached a Finals. Kidd was solid but his scoring set him back. Isiah is arguable but his individual accolades is lacking. It's all very close but imo CP3 is top 5
Even if you take out Isaiah, Nash, Kidd, and Stockton, he still has no argument over Oscar, Magic, Jerry West, Curry, Westbrook. These are all guys with great numbers and even better accolades. Every single player I just named has at MINIMUM great numbers with an MVP or a title. You can even make cases for guys like Walt Frazier or Tony Parker over him. Both of them have career averages just as good with more titles, and this is with Chris Paul being on great teams talent wise, so it isn't as if he's never had help.
Stockton made Malone not the other way around
CP3 vs most point guards on the defensive end is a very one sided conversation. I need to think about where he falls on my list, but top 5 isn’t crazy.
He can’t mess with GP on defense
Let’s start doing these debates off players we’ve witnessed and let’s see how ppl answers change lol
Lol "just cuz he looks like a state farm insurance salesman", he fucked me up on that.
If you wanna be real steph 2015 down was a true point gaurd. Had the ball almost every possession and averaged over 7 assists
Right, even this season Steph is averaging 7 assists and he only has one season averaging below 6 I think.
Curry can really average 8+ assists if he wants but he doesn’t want to dominate the ball which is just him being unselfish. But you’re right, that szn he averaged almost 8 assists I believe and then now he’s averaging 7 assists this szn and he’s averaging almost 7 assists in his career. He’s honestly a great playmaker but he just doesn’t dominate the ball like how a pure PG would. That’s why he’s a such a special player bc he can create off the ball and on the ball. Every other PG is just on ball
That's not his strengths though. If you ask me, Mark Jackson was using him wrong.
They all disagree with cousins but they too scared to speak up 😂😂
They don't really know what they're talking about
Steph not being a pure guard is stupid. If Steph wanted to avg 10 ast he can. He’s just the #1 scoring option.
"If Steph wanted to avg 10 ast he can."
But he doesn't. So, he's not a pure point guard.
"He’s just the #1 scoring option."
And, isn't the playmaker.
Everyone always forgets Oscar in the top 5 pg debates
I'm pretty sure all of these men were born in the 1980s, of course they forgot Oscar.
Cp3 also changed clippers franchise and suns lol so idk
Steve Nash also changed the league as well, him and CP3 are top 5
@@MOCdude it’s just the fact cp3 don’t have a ring
@@lanroom2896 so do a lot of 5 players at their positions, barkley/malone, russ/Stockton/cp3/nash, allen iverson/james harden
The young generation writes off Stockton just because of how he looks. Then the old head haters just say all of his stats came from playing with Malone. Both are wrong.
Well put. Stockon was elite. All around complete game. Miss pg like him
Bruh really just making up what people say so he could think he's smart whatever lil bro. It's mostly casuals that write off Stockton.
Lmao old school people say he was DOG
@@longbeacheli Not true, GP gave Stockton his flowers. GP said for him personally, Stockton was the hardest person he ever had to guard.
The PG position is so stacked that it’s hard to create a list like this 😭
Oscar Robertson, Nate Archibald, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, John Stockton
The steal and assist record should make Stockton #1. He should be number 1 on all list.
There were no slouches on defense when Stockton was in the league either.
Naw def should be considered top 5 but all time could also mean that you just played longer than everyone else. Magic has multiple finals appearances averaging the most assists per game. Lead his team to 5 championships with 3 MVPs. Technically played 12 seasons and was in 9 championships. Highest Assist per game average and top 10 in all time assists with the least amount of seasons besides maybe Isaiah Thomas.
Facts, talk that ish
He would be if he had beat MJ and got Finals MVP or Hakeem.
They only made it twice to the Finals.
Magic 9.
Regular season stats are crooked since you play many mediocre teams. Ask Wilt.
Do it when it matters then you’re a 1-2. Like Magic Curry.
Cousins just saying anybody name, CP3 is easily a top 5 PG in NBA history.💯 Curry, Magic, CP3, Kidd, and Stockton.
Isaiah Thomas over cp3 20 out of 10 times
@@M3_86 Isaiah wouldn't even get in my top 10 PG list.💯
@@cashisclay8474 he has rings and cp3 doesn’t. Debate over 😂
@@selfishstockton6123 this isn't about rings, Stockton doesn't have a ring either should he be below Isaiah. CP3 is a way better PG than Isaiah and that's fact, now the debate is over.💯😎👍
Isaiah has back to back rings, Nash back to back MVPs. They both in ahead of CP3. Stockton ludicrous amount of steals and assists and back to back Finals vs MJ and the Bulls, so he's just unlucky he came up against the goat.
Finally... An honest list
No mention of GP?
Buddy tweaking saying CP3 would cook Stockton.
Everybody sleeps on Stockton.
Stockton was a big boy, legit 6’3”, 200-plus pounds and could move his feet…
@@kisswriters and strong some people just say anything
Tony Parker needs way more love
Oscar Robinson, Magic, Isaiah Thomas, Stockton, Kidd
I preferr boogie on a podcast vs a player. Liking the wisdom and growth in his character. Why couldnt we get this wiser boogie in the nba????
Man tf is this dude on?? I love Bron but this dude keep bringing Bron up. Boogie already said PGs only. Like tf??? U d riding so bad
He’s a lebron dickrider especially on twitter
Do you not watch or listen on a regular basis? You sound dumb.
word lmao
Because he was talking about people who initiate the offense and bring the ball up. Lebron does play a point guard role for all his teams he’s definitely up there in all time passers
@@tristinredman1993 so Jokic a PG
If your all-time PGs list has Stockton any lower than 4, you’re no longer allowed to have takes.
Birkenstocks and all
Stockton is not top 4, CP3 is better than him in every aspect of the game other than passing assists
stupid take… his numbers are inflated, couldn’t pressure defenses and actually PLAYMAKE, wasn’t enough of a scoring threat to warrant the respect offensively like guys like nash, big O, cp3, etc
@@sbnpouipnbt2614 dont get me wrong, i sort of agree with your take, but he did still put pressure on the defense with his ball security efficient shot selections on his pick n rolls, he just was soooo conservative when they needed an iso plays from him
stockton would not even be considered in this convo if he didnt have karl malone beside him
im surprised nobody has mentioned RONDO
CP needed that MVP or Ring. Some of his notable achievements were, All-Star MVP, Olympic Gold and couple of All-NBA's and All Defense.
“A couple” dude was perennial all defense and all-nba, throw in multiple assist and steals titles
@@XChronicHash CP3 led the league in assist for 5 seasons, and in steals for 6 seasons. Magic Johnson led the league in assists for 4 seasons, and in steals for 2 seasons.
@@penkima4923 that’s what i said you dingus
Dude said Cp3 would have cooked Stockton , bruh please 😅
I’ve been telling all my friends that Rajon Rondo is a top 5 best PG of all time, and everyone laughs at me. I’m happy you agree, and if they don’t feel that way it’s because they don’t know the game well enough. He is my favorite PG of all time.
And you ain't never lied because I've been saying that too and I've been saying for years that rajon rondo is better than Chris Paul I mean Rajon rondo already got two championships and Chris Paul doesn't have s***rajon rondo all day everyday for me
LeBron
Magic
Harden
Isiah
Nash
Who does rondo knock off that list?
@@12savage68 rondo' just as good as any of those guards you just named not only that he's pretty much beating LeBron James and the big moment and harden and I think he was a better point guard than Steve Nash and not only that he got two championships when have Steve Nash ever made a finals 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@@12savage68 stop it bro
@@isiahspencer3028 this must be rondo's burner account...😂
Why is no one mentioning Jason Kidd though?
No knock on CP3 but you brought up the topic and named him first 😂
I personally putting him over Stockton.
Mine is Magic, Steph, Zeke, Kidd, CP3/Westbrook/Stockton/Nash.
Chris Paul improves every team he goes on.
They forgot one important name out of greatest PGs. The big O, Oscar Robertson. Dude was a triple double machine. Only dude until Russ to average a triple double for a season. One time MVP and NBA champion.
Tim hardaway, rod Strickland, Sam Cassell, penny hardaway. I can definitely see boogies point of view
None of those guys were better than Chris Paul but they were all dogs. Rod Strickland used to take it to dudes.
Magic, Isaiah, Curry, Jerry West, Bob Cousy, Steve Nash, Stockton, Kidd, CP3