Here's why I bought the trail: It's perfect for my light off roading to go camping, hunting and fishing. And I'll be using it to tow a small trailer with a 500lb motorcycle. It will do all of those duties with ease and without need for the pro suspension. Plus, it looks fantastic!
This is by far THE BEST video I've found about the Trail edition. Very well put together. You went over key differences of what sets it apart from the TRD Off-road and Pro.
Which is exactly why Toyota has dragged their feet replacing the Taco and the 4Runner. They’re literally free money machines, but it’s time to take the next step (even if I still really want a damn 4Runner 🤣). Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
The competition is advancing in advanced features and turbo charged engines! All “advancements” that are not proven reliable and may break at 100k miles while the Taco is proven!
I ordered a TRD off-road and because of the low inventory I got a 2022 Trail Edition instead. What sold me on the trim was the rear diff lock. Has a stronger and bigger rear end. And from my experience with off-road and vehicles through the years I am really happy I ended up with the Trail Edition. It has all the features I need and none of the stuff I don’t. I got it regeared and front diff lock. Crawl Control never gets used in real wheeling anyways sure it can help but I always relied on fully locked diffs. Having an actual key rather than push button start makes it more reliable and also having a remote start that doesn’t shut off when you open the door. None of the blind spot sensors and 360 cam that’s just useless in the trail. Also makes parts expensive if destroyed in the trail. Less features have more options for aftermarket parts. If you’re the type of person that wants a simple vehicle like 20 years ago, its the perfect trim.
That's why I got the trail, tell everybody how do you like my new old truck! I love that it is plain and not much high tech stuff on it! Like he said in the video it looks great!
Great video. I just bought a Trail Edition because the dealer didnt have an Off Road. What drew me to it was the magnetic grey I like but also the bronze wheels and heritage grill. When I saw it had a rear locking differential I was sold. I really like it so far. The only thing I wish it had was a sunroof but the Trail does not have that option. It is what it is.. A special edition model. Still the Trail looks allot better than an Off Road in my opinion.
Tacoma’s 3.5L V6 engine and transmission are bulletproof on the 3rd gen. Toyota engineers programmed the ECU to meet stricter emissions standards. This unfortunately gives it the impression that its unreliable or faulty with the gear hunting. I’m thoroughly enjoying my 2020 DCLB TRD Sport 4X4. Not one issue after 2 years of ownership. Thanks for the review on the trail. Love the looks but with a family I had to have the 6’ bed. The more cooler Tacomas are short bed’s IMHO.
I have the privilege of having a 05 and 16 Tacoma TRD Sport 4X4 DB in my driveway…Toyota may be lacking the latest technology and bells and whistles…but when my 236,xxx miles 05 drives similar to my 46,xxx miles 16 in terms of steering…ride quality and overall tightness…says a lot of Toyota’s commitments to longevity and quality….the only other maintenance done to the 05 was wheels bearings at 153,xxx miles…wonder how many Chevy and Nissan truck from 05 are still on the road…
I’ve owned both the Tacoma and the Frontier pro4x and I like them both for different reasons. The frontier’s v6 actually has some torque and wants to go compared to the Tacoma’s while that may be gearing it’s definitely welcomed. The Tacoma I have is a real 2 door and can turn on a dime which makes going through trails and off raiding quite easy. The frontier’s rear locker is also nice and really comes in handy.
I bought a 2022 Tacoma SR5 almost a year ago, and I have thoroughly enjoyed owning it so far! I opted for the SR5 because my dealer had an allocation for one in black (my kid insisted I needed a black truck), and I don’t care for the bells and whistles and off road options. As long as it has 4x4 for the snowy winters here it good. I dislike the transmission very much, that gear hunting at highway speeds, especially on the slightest incline is a tad annoying, however I can live with it. It’s been fun with the aftermarket support to customize it to be MINE and not to see another one just like mine anywhere. Kudos to Toyota and I hope they don’t spoil this truck with the 4th gen
I think the next Taco is going to be a HUGE leap forward, more so than the Tundra was relative to the competition. Enjoy your Taco and thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Get it tuned! Tuning it kills the constant gear hunting, and gave me 2 mpg meaning it makes the engine more efficient. It DOES NOT void the warranty either, people that say that don't know what they are talking about just repeating something they heard. I have had warranty work done since having it tuned, they didn't even mention it.
My first new vehicle purchase was a 1984 Toyota Longbed Deluxe, 22RE and 5MT, a great runner between Montana and the Alaska Marine Highway terminal in British Columbia at both ends of my two months off from SE Alaska during the winter. Plenty of torque for pulling the boat uphill and up launch ramps. I've been adding some things to the 2009 Access Cab LB SR5, 2.7 litre I4 with 5-speed manual and, while riding with Dad on our last fishing trip together, he tried out the dash switching 4wd, and was pleasantly surprised. He spec'd this last truck he was ever going to buy the way I would have, and asked me if I'd be interested in buying it. "When you're ready to sell it, I'll be ready to replace my red truck (a 2007 Malibu that's done well as a daily driver and 3-week vacation trips from southcentral Alaska to the lower 48). I checked Toyota's website and it is definitely getting more difficult to find a manual transmission offering. We like those in the western mountains for the engine braking. "Ever drive Whitebird Hill?" (Idaho) Start for zero at the top, and idling all the way down, you'd be running well over the speed limit and comfort level. 'Course that was in the late '70s and '80s, and since then 95 was realigned so it's only a two hour drive between I-90 and US12, less than half the time of our voyages across Idaho... The length of the long bed hasn't changed... just the size of Toyota's trucks. All-Pro Off Road (bed stiffeners, aluminum front IFS skid plate, HDPE tailgate insert) and LC Engineering parts (exhaust header) have been the largest additions... and a takeoff set of 3rd Gen Off Road wheels, AJT Design climate control knobs and fob cases... and the cheap AC drain extension mod... 🤠
Something to keep in mind with the next gen mid-sized pickup trucks is that they're all going I4 Turbos. All of GMs 2023s are exclusively I4 turbos and the rumor is that the next-gen Tacoma is going to closely follow. The V6s will be reserved exclusively for the low end of their full-sized lineup. Truck sales are dropping as people gravitate towards higher fuel economy and manufacturers are following that trend.
This is true, but it was inevitable. Another thing to consider is the vast (VAST) amount of trucks sold that don't perform any kinds of strenuous truck duties. In a way, it's just manufacturers responding to market demands. I do think some of the downsizing talk always gets a bit overblown. People lost their minds when Ford went to the Powerboost V6, but that decision (and GM offering the Ecoboost turbo 4) did almost nothing to slow truck sales. The majority of people who buy pickups want a truck far more than they actually NEED a truck. Thanks for watching!
@@jax1079 Sure. Until the day it actually HAS to perform strenuous truck duties which would have been within its capabilities before and on paper should still be able to but isn't for long periods of time. You're going to have little asterisk symbol next to its maximum tow value saying to not tow this weight beyond an hour or risk overheating for example. There have actually been a lot of issues with those turbo 4s on Camaros and the like in that they're a lot less robust and more prone to failure when pushed for long periods at full load. The current Tacoma V6 can run at full tilt for its full lifetime. An I4 turbo at full tilt which puts it at full boost is going to be much more suspect in how long it'll last. Thanks again for the video, I look forward to see if you get a 2023 Colorado and a 2024 Tacoma (if they do the refresh to the smaller turbos) to see how they work out.
@@Talishar I’ll be curious to see how they stack up as well, especially with a new Tacoma on the horizon. Light duty trucks will be very interesting over the next few years….
@@jax1079 yeah actually you can go wrong. .... have you never had anything else? ... for one -if you're tall, two -if you have a family, three - if you dont want an annoying uncomfortable truck ...etc etc .... get real ..... my 4 cylinder S-10 beater was better in literally every single way
@@comment_belowyou just hate them. I’m 6’2 and fit, brother is 6’4 and likes it. It’s proven to be capable for over 20 years. The s-10 was discontinued and doesn’t have nearly the same aftermarket as a Tacoma. Obviously it isn’t a family car idk why bring that up.
@@bruhroyale12123 yeah i do hate them after owning one bc its not a well designed truck in anyway shape or form. You should do your research and find out why they discontinued before trynna BS me like u know anything.... and literally no-one fits -ive never heard people i personally know or the internet complain more about poor cramped sitting positions.... i know a cultist when I see and hear one ... so whatever you say dude
@@comment_below why are you so hostile. If it’s so bad why do they sell like hot cakes. They are extremely capable and for seating, I fit so who cares really. You are on the opposite end of the spectrum, you hate them and can’t give any props to it’s capability or it’s functionality. You are just as bad as a cultist, just opposite side but whatever dude.
I LOVE this truck. I have a bluecrush 2022 with 10,000 miles or so on it, TRD sport 4x4. It does everything I want it to do. It is slow but so what. I'll die with this vehicle.
Nice! Just got back from Destination Outdoor, sponsored by Toyota, so expect a LOT more Toyota truck and off-road content coming on here and on Instagram and TikTok 😜 Thanks for watching! 🙏🏻
I have a 22 Trail Edition in Army Green, just took it for a 9 day road trip from Texas to Yellowstone. Did a hard-core offroad primitive trail and thousands of miles in comfort. it just does everything so well. it's the perfect package.
Just traded a 2020 Ranger STX Supercab for a 2023 Tacoma Trail Edition. I needed a truck with a double cab and really didn't like the service department at the Ford dealer. With Tacoma's on allocation, I lucked out getting my truck. It was cancelled by another buyer because it was a couple weeks overdue, showed up unexpectedly at the dealer and my salesman texted me to see if I was still looking for a Tacoma. The Toyota configurator is misleading because you can't order a truck to your specs at a dealer. I think the Trail Edition is aimed for the SR5 buyer who plans on doing some mods, not necessarily the hardcore off-roader and doesn't care about the upgrades offered on the TRD Off Road or Pro. One thing you didn't mention was the black interior with the gray headline that is another unique feature. The biggest advantage of the Tacoma over any other mid size truck is reliability and resale.
I chose differently and went with the last model year of a PROVEN truck with tons of spare parts around than an experimental new model that may be hard to get parts for and has not proven itself.
@@jax1079 You said you'd wait for new edition of Tacoma in 2024, I chose a 2023 model for proven reliability and availability of parts. I also chose the Off Road edition. That's all. To each his own.
@@rkba4923 we've also learned from the 22 Tundra, that when Toyota releases a new design it increases in price dramatically! People whine about pricing, but $42k +/- for a new truck in 2022 is fantastic, especially at this equipment level. I may trade my Tundra for one of these before the next redesign.
@@scotw67 With competition getting stiffer in the segment, it’ll need at least some of those features to compete. What used to be smallish light duty trucks have now become the workhorses, really, since full sized trucks have become glitzy status symbols. Or cost a mortgage.
@@jax1079 I wouldn’t put. Lot of stock in the starting price. As far as features and the price you will see at the dealer it sits between the SR5 and the OR. Mine was $42,303. Allocated OR’s won’t show up at the dealer that low. It’s not a TRD, it’s a dolled up SR5, and that’s where it sits in the lineup.
@@evmiller219 You’re not wrong. I think it would make more sense for Toyota to clarify that on the website since it misrepresents the Trail as having similar hardware to the TRD models (which it doesn’t), but since it LOOKS like one some buyers might be confused.
@Sea Dweller Agree. Even with the TRD Pro styling, I think it would have been better to position at least adjacent to the OR rather than slightly higher than its base, more as an alternative to increased capability with increased style. Thanks for watching.
Not sure if the price is regional or if it’s the fact that your video was 10 months ago, but I just paid 48 for a Trd off-road. This was from a dealer who was a personal friend that didn’t mark the MSRP up 5 to 7 grand like the other salesmen were doing.
Sadly, I think the market really is the crazy. I honestly wonder how to even contextualize prices of vehicles I review at this point because the pricing info we're sent or given doesn't match the reality of what dealers are charging. It's a real problem.
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 Great review. I am getting my 2023 TRD Off Road any day now. I understand your opinion about waiting for the 2024, but I want the 23 because I do want an old school truck. I just got rid of a 2023 Kia Sportage SX Prestige because I didn't like all the technology for an everyday "manly" driver. I have a 23 Telluride SX for that when needed. I want the Taco just the way it is and I'm worried a 24 would be a huge change. If I get sucked into all that...then Ill probably consider one several years down the road. This truck will still be a winner.
I bought my 2017 TRD OR 4x4, with add-ons, in Houston brand new for $34,000. The truck is now paid off and resales at $38,000. I only have 51k miles... 😆 🤣 😂 Also swap the gears for 4.88 if you're upgrading your tires and thrown overland weight on her.
Two things: first, any new model is going to have some issues, especially a new platform and powertrain; second, many of the reliability "problems" people cite come from just one or two very public examples of a mechanical issue (such as the TFL video). This is hardly representative when you consider the thousands and thousands of trucks going out to customers.
You can't touch one of those for under 50,000 in my market with the crazy dealer markups. You also need to catch up on the Canyon. The 2023 is way nicer looking and way more powerful. (and I drive a Toyota as I have for the past 34 years)
Yeah, the markups are out of control. I really like the looks of the new Colorado and Canyon, so I’m looking forward to getting behind the wheel. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Power numbers aren't everything. The new GMC Canyon and it's Chevy clone, the Colorado are going to be 2.7L Turbos. You're going to have a very stressed-out turbo I4 trying to do truck duty and I have a feeling that we're going to see a higher incidence of engine failures/issues. These newer engines are being pushed much more with the forced induction which means lower lifespans and a lot more wear and maintenance. They're going with the I4 turbos to chase fuel economy, not necessarily performance.
My dealership has these for 43k. Really tempted at that price. The TRD OR are 48, I’m wondering if they are trying to move these out for the 24 trailhunter incoming
I've got an order placed for one of these, but still curious about the 2024 Tacoma. I think it will be a few more years before we have a more affordable gen 4 taco hybrid.
There have not been many leaks on the 2024 Taco or 4Runner. I think hybrid power is a safe bet, but it’s going to need to be relatively powerful considering GM just dropped some compelling new small trucks. We should know more soon…
So I am 6'4 and just test drove a 2021 TRD OR, and it felt like the steering wheel was in my lap while my legs hit it on the way in. It looks like you fit great in here so how did you adjust it to be that way or is that the new 2023 front seats?
If you are holding out for the 2024 Tacoma, I would argue that it isn't just holding out for a few months but rather a few years. The current generation Tacoma didn't get past its newborn growing pain issues until 2019 so a 2024 probably won't be good until 2027. And 4 cylinder turbo........... Ughhhh... Manufacturers are having alot of problems with those especially in longevity. Personally I think they should have boosted the power on the V6 a little and updated the transmission.
There will be a delay before the highest output versions of the Tacoma powertrain are available, and I always recommend waiting a model year or two before buying. Definitely a good way to avoid growing pains 😉👍🏻
Why hold out ? The new 4cylinder turbo engine on the 2024 tacoma is going to lag on city streets it’s going to be underpowered for that size of a vehicle I’m talking about the non iforce trd pro and trail hunter that’s why they put that ev power assist because 4 banger is weak
Everything you just said is objectively untrue. If you look at the power numbers, the new turbo engine should feel more responsive when paired with a far more modern 8 speed
Holding out for a new car that’s totally unproven from a reliability standpoint? For years to come the 2023 is probably the ultimate refinement of the taco in terms of having the bugs worked out. The 2024 looks great but is festooned with shit to break from the looks of it.
There’s logic to this take for sure. The current Taco is about as dialed in as a truck can get and was already famously reliable. I’m sure the sales of the 2023 Tacos and 2024 4Runners will remain healthy for that reason. Time will tell about the new one, but if I had to bet my hard earned money on someone it would certainly be Toyota.
@@jax1079 just wrapped up buying a 23, it’s just a known quantity. A bit dated for sure but its ins and outs and known and I surely don’t want an over-complex drive train in an off-road or over land vehicle.
Aside from its looks, this truck makes no sense, its just a money grab from Toyota. For the same price or less, you can get a trd off-road with all the off road bells and whistles. This one has the standard suspension, no crawl control, no multi terrain, no fog lights and it’s almost the same price as a Trd pro 🤯
I think you’d be hard pressed to find a TRD Pro at this price point. You’re not wrong, though, and I think some of the appeal of this truck is cosmetic because you get some TRD style on a regular truck
im tempted to sell my taco just so I dont associate myself with this wack cult .... if the truck isn't trash then 1. why is the internet complaining about it ... 2. why so many new ones in the used lot ...... taco is the worst vehicle ive ever owned or experienced -and ive had 2 VWs and a ford etc... -so that says a lot
Ive got a 21 off-road .... the tacoma is over priced poser trash -literally nothing good about it except the looks and the new Colorado has that beat now...its not made to off-road, rear speakers dont play sound, paint comes off, leaky rear diff, dumb trans, sloppy/dangerous handling, gas millage is way worse than estimated, seating position is a joke, plastic bed, where the interior space? -the truck is huge, 3 + unstuck options that all o the same thing( and the LSD is in the back with the locker LOL), etc etc .... literally the worste B-team designed vehicle of all time ill be going back to GM
This is pretty tough criticism. While I’m sure the Taco has flaws, it seems a bit disingenuous to compare an ancient outgoing model to a brand new (unproven) model. There’s a reason Tacos have built the reputation they have. Sorry to hear that you seem to have purchased a disappointing copy, but I suppose they exist out there, too… Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
@@jax1079 the only thing disingenuous is you and your comments. I only compared the Colorado looks -but if you knew anything about anything then you would know the motor is coming out of a silverado. ...and not to mention 3rd gen tacos are unproven. .... yes the reason is tacos used to be good -they are not anymore -period.... no, do your research -its not my model -its everyones model -and to boot -most of what I said is DESIGN flaws -meaning it was designed that way .... not to mention the internet backs me up on this ....how about check the list of problems per hundred cars -its not the same toyota -they aren't even made in Japan anymore
@@jax1079 you know -frankly you dont know what you are talking about and you do your audience a disservice by spreading misinformation and getting people to waste money on junk.... hope you think hard about that ......
Based on your name, I’m assuming you’re the type of person who actually uses a pickup truck as a pickup truck, so yes, in your case I imagine a 6 foot bed is useful. However, I think most people are much less bad ass and can do with 5. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Here's why I bought the trail: It's perfect for my light off roading to go camping, hunting and fishing. And I'll be using it to tow a small trailer with a 500lb motorcycle. It will do all of those duties with ease and without need for the pro suspension. Plus, it looks fantastic!
All excellent reasons… especially the looks 😉👍🏻
This is by far THE BEST video I've found about the Trail edition. Very well put together. You went over key differences of what sets it apart from the TRD Off-road and Pro.
Thank you for the kind words! And thanks for watching 🙏🏻
On my 3rd tacoma... I can't imagine going back to the "big 3". Best reliability, best resale, best looking... probably best aftermarket too!
People love their tacos! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Poser here. Bought a Trail edition a few weeks ago. Sold my 14 yr old trd off-road that never went off-road.
Hahaha! The first step is admitting you have a problem. 😉👍🏻 Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
In Canada we don't get the box coolers. Instead we get bed lighting, roof rack, predator side steps, and push button start standard.
Not a bad option combo!
The competition is advancing, yet buyers are still lining up to buy Tacos like its a Tuesday special every single day.
Which is exactly why Toyota has dragged their feet replacing the Taco and the 4Runner. They’re literally free money machines, but it’s time to take the next step (even if I still really want a damn 4Runner 🤣). Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
The competition is advancing in advanced features and turbo charged engines! All “advancements” that are not proven reliable and may break at 100k miles while the Taco is proven!
Advancing in gadgets, transmissions and engines that don’t last- no thanks genius
I ordered a TRD off-road and because of the low inventory I got a 2022 Trail Edition instead. What sold me on the trim was the rear diff lock. Has a stronger and bigger rear end. And from my experience with off-road and vehicles through the years I am really happy I ended up with the Trail Edition. It has all the features I need and none of the stuff I don’t. I got it regeared and front diff lock. Crawl Control never gets used in real wheeling anyways sure it can help but I always relied on fully locked diffs. Having an actual key rather than push button start makes it more reliable and also having a remote start that doesn’t shut off when you open the door. None of the blind spot sensors and 360 cam that’s just useless in the trail. Also makes parts expensive if destroyed in the trail. Less features have more options for aftermarket parts. If you’re the type of person that wants a simple vehicle like 20 years ago, its the perfect trim.
Nice! Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Same thing here, went shopping for a TRD offroad and bought a trail instead.
That's why I got the trail, tell everybody how do you like my new old truck! I love that it is plain and not much high tech stuff on it! Like he said in the video it looks great!
Toyota will tell you 10k oil changes are ok and its what they do but always get your oil changes at least at 5k. Love my trail edition! Great video.
Thanks! And yeah if you keep up with regular oil changes you’ll get a million miles out of a Tacoma… literally.
Change engine oil every 5K miles, don't listen to the dealership, its your truck, keep the maintenance up to date.
Yeah, why listen to the factory who designed and built it? Pfft! What do they know?
5k oil changed all day
Great video. I just bought a Trail Edition because the dealer didnt have an Off Road. What drew me to it was the magnetic grey I like but also the bronze wheels and heritage grill. When I saw it had a rear locking differential I was sold. I really like it so far. The only thing I wish it had was a sunroof but the Trail does not have that option. It is what it is.. A special edition model.
Still the Trail looks allot better than an Off Road in my opinion.
I agree! I think that’s part of the appeal for sure: it’s a really good looking truck.
@jax1079 I just installed a Truxedo Pro X15 bed cover on it and it looks amazing. Remote start is next. Then fog lights.
Tacoma’s 3.5L V6 engine and transmission are bulletproof on the 3rd gen. Toyota engineers programmed the ECU to meet stricter emissions standards. This unfortunately gives it the impression that its unreliable or faulty with the gear hunting. I’m thoroughly enjoying my 2020 DCLB TRD Sport 4X4. Not one issue after 2 years of ownership. Thanks for the review on the trail. Love the looks but with a family I had to have the 6’ bed. The more cooler Tacomas are short bed’s IMHO.
This is true. The Tacoma is about as indestructible as they come. Thanks for watching!
OTT TUNE!!!
@@jax1079 gonna suck with a turbo 4cyl next year
Second gen 4L is no slouch, and bulletproof.
How can you fix the transmission from searching for other gears on a highway? Does anybody have an answer?
I have the privilege of having a 05 and 16 Tacoma TRD Sport 4X4 DB in my driveway…Toyota may be lacking the latest technology and bells and whistles…but when my 236,xxx miles 05 drives similar to my 46,xxx miles 16 in terms of steering…ride quality and overall tightness…says a lot of Toyota’s commitments to longevity and quality….the only other maintenance done to the 05 was wheels bearings at 153,xxx miles…wonder how many Chevy and Nissan truck from 05 are still on the road…
This is true, and it’s the same story over and over again. Thanks for sharing your perspective, and thanks for watching 🙏🏻
I’ve owned both the Tacoma and the Frontier pro4x and I like them both for different reasons. The frontier’s v6 actually has some torque and wants to go compared to the Tacoma’s while that may be gearing it’s definitely welcomed. The Tacoma I have is a real 2 door and can turn on a dime which makes going through trails and off raiding quite easy. The frontier’s rear locker is also nice and really comes in handy.
Nice comparison! Thanks for watching 👍🏻
I bought a 2022 Tacoma SR5 almost a year ago, and I have thoroughly enjoyed owning it so far! I opted for the SR5 because my dealer had an allocation for one in black (my kid insisted I needed a black truck), and I don’t care for the bells and whistles and off road options. As long as it has 4x4 for the snowy winters here it good. I dislike the transmission very much, that gear hunting at highway speeds, especially on the slightest incline is a tad annoying, however I can live with it. It’s been fun with the aftermarket support to customize it to be MINE and not to see another one just like mine anywhere. Kudos to Toyota and I hope they don’t spoil this truck with the 4th gen
I think the next Taco is going to be a HUGE leap forward, more so than the Tundra was relative to the competition. Enjoy your Taco and thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Get it tuned! Tuning it kills the constant gear hunting, and gave me 2 mpg meaning it makes the engine more efficient. It DOES NOT void the warranty either, people that say that don't know what they are talking about just repeating something they heard. I have had warranty work done since having it tuned, they didn't even mention it.
My first new vehicle purchase was a 1984 Toyota Longbed Deluxe, 22RE and 5MT, a great runner between Montana and the Alaska Marine Highway terminal in British Columbia at both ends of my two months off from SE Alaska during the winter. Plenty of torque for pulling the boat uphill and up launch ramps.
I've been adding some things to the 2009 Access Cab LB SR5, 2.7 litre I4 with 5-speed manual and, while riding with Dad on our last fishing trip together, he tried out the dash switching 4wd, and was pleasantly surprised. He spec'd this last truck he was ever going to buy the way I would have, and asked me if I'd be interested in buying it. "When you're ready to sell it, I'll be ready to replace my red truck (a 2007 Malibu that's done well as a daily driver and 3-week vacation trips from southcentral Alaska to the lower 48). I checked Toyota's website and it is definitely getting more difficult to find a manual transmission offering. We like those in the western mountains for the engine braking. "Ever drive Whitebird Hill?" (Idaho) Start for zero at the top, and idling all the way down, you'd be running well over the speed limit and comfort level. 'Course that was in the late '70s and '80s, and since then 95 was realigned so it's only a two hour drive between I-90 and US12, less than half the time of our voyages across Idaho... The length of the long bed hasn't changed... just the size of Toyota's trucks. All-Pro Off Road (bed stiffeners, aluminum front IFS skid plate, HDPE tailgate insert) and LC Engineering parts (exhaust header) have been the largest additions... and a takeoff set of 3rd Gen Off Road wheels, AJT Design climate control knobs and fob cases... and the cheap AC drain extension mod... 🤠
Something to keep in mind with the next gen mid-sized pickup trucks is that they're all going I4 Turbos. All of GMs 2023s are exclusively I4 turbos and the rumor is that the next-gen Tacoma is going to closely follow. The V6s will be reserved exclusively for the low end of their full-sized lineup. Truck sales are dropping as people gravitate towards higher fuel economy and manufacturers are following that trend.
This is true, but it was inevitable. Another thing to consider is the vast (VAST) amount of trucks sold that don't perform any kinds of strenuous truck duties. In a way, it's just manufacturers responding to market demands. I do think some of the downsizing talk always gets a bit overblown. People lost their minds when Ford went to the Powerboost V6, but that decision (and GM offering the Ecoboost turbo 4) did almost nothing to slow truck sales. The majority of people who buy pickups want a truck far more than they actually NEED a truck. Thanks for watching!
@@jax1079 Sure. Until the day it actually HAS to perform strenuous truck duties which would have been within its capabilities before and on paper should still be able to but isn't for long periods of time. You're going to have little asterisk symbol next to its maximum tow value saying to not tow this weight beyond an hour or risk overheating for example. There have actually been a lot of issues with those turbo 4s on Camaros and the like in that they're a lot less robust and more prone to failure when pushed for long periods at full load. The current Tacoma V6 can run at full tilt for its full lifetime. An I4 turbo at full tilt which puts it at full boost is going to be much more suspect in how long it'll last.
Thanks again for the video, I look forward to see if you get a 2023 Colorado and a 2024 Tacoma (if they do the refresh to the smaller turbos) to see how they work out.
@@Talishar I’ll be curious to see how they stack up as well, especially with a new Tacoma on the horizon. Light duty trucks will be very interesting over the next few years….
All the Tacos are nice. Not really a fan of those cubbies in the rear, but I get it. It’s definitely there for people who hike, fish, hunt, etc…
True. Can’t really go wrong with a Taco. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
@@jax1079 yeah actually you can go wrong. .... have you never had anything else? ... for one -if you're tall, two -if you have a family, three - if you dont want an annoying uncomfortable truck ...etc etc .... get real ..... my 4 cylinder S-10 beater was better in literally every single way
@@comment_belowyou just hate them. I’m 6’2 and fit, brother is 6’4 and likes it. It’s proven to be capable for over 20 years. The s-10 was discontinued and doesn’t have nearly the same aftermarket as a Tacoma. Obviously it isn’t a family car idk why bring that up.
@@bruhroyale12123 yeah i do hate them after owning one bc its not a well designed truck in anyway shape or form. You should do your research and find out why they discontinued before trynna BS me like u know anything.... and literally no-one fits -ive never heard people i personally know or the internet complain more about poor cramped sitting positions.... i know a cultist when I see and hear one ... so whatever you say dude
@@comment_below why are you so hostile. If it’s so bad why do they sell like hot cakes. They are extremely capable and for seating, I fit so who cares really. You are on the opposite end of the spectrum, you hate them and can’t give any props to it’s capability or it’s functionality. You are just as bad as a cultist, just opposite side but whatever dude.
'04 3.4 5 speed @180k, still runs like new, cold air, "it's a truck" 🔥
These are the facts. Thanks for watching! 🙏🏻
That opening haha! Great video! Really enjoyed your take here.
Thank you! Glad you liked it. I’m just trying to be honest… even when I might be biased 😂
I have this truck and my first light pick up truck. Its absolutely great truck. Im not doing off roading yet, but soon 🙂 Love from canada! 🍁🇨🇦
Good to hear! And thanks for watching!
You earned a subscriber right when anakin lost his legs. Lol.
Thanks! I’m a big movie nerd, so I like to incorporate that when I can. Welcome to the channel 🙏🏻
I LOVE this truck. I have a bluecrush 2022 with 10,000 miles or so on it, TRD sport 4x4. It does everything I want it to do. It is slow but so what. I'll die with this vehicle.
Nice! Just got back from Destination Outdoor, sponsored by Toyota, so expect a LOT more Toyota truck and off-road content coming on here and on Instagram and TikTok 😜 Thanks for watching! 🙏🏻
I bought a 22 Frontier. I like how the Tacoma looks, it was the car like seating position that killed it for me.
@@MrOri Interesting because I think the Frontier has the more comfortable car-like seating position. Guess to each his own. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
I have a 22 Trail Edition in Army Green, just took it for a 9 day road trip from Texas to Yellowstone. Did a hard-core offroad primitive trail and thousands of miles in comfort. it just does everything so well. it's the perfect package.
@@lordhelmut5474 That’s awesome! The army green and bronze combo is pretty great. Thanks for watching! 🙏🏻
Just traded a 2020 Ranger STX Supercab for a 2023 Tacoma Trail Edition. I needed a truck with a double cab and really didn't like the service department at the Ford dealer. With Tacoma's on allocation, I lucked out getting my truck. It was cancelled by another buyer because it was a couple weeks overdue, showed up unexpectedly at the dealer and my salesman texted me to see if I was still looking for a Tacoma. The Toyota configurator is misleading because you can't order a truck to your specs at a dealer. I think the Trail Edition is aimed for the SR5 buyer who plans on doing some mods, not necessarily the hardcore off-roader and doesn't care about the upgrades offered on the TRD Off Road or Pro. One thing you didn't mention was the black interior with the gray headline that is another unique feature. The biggest advantage of the Tacoma over any other mid size truck is reliability and resale.
This is true. Trading up from a Ranger is a good move. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
I Love my 23 TRD Off Road, double cab, 6’ bed with the premium and technology pkgs.
I chose differently and went with the last model year of a PROVEN truck with tons of spare parts around than an experimental new model that may be hard to get parts for and has not proven itself.
I’m not sure I follow… more proven than a Tacoma?
@@jax1079 You said you'd wait for new edition of Tacoma in 2024, I chose a 2023 model for proven reliability and availability of parts. I also chose the Off Road edition. That's all. To each his own.
@@rkba4923 I gotcha. Makes sense. You get a lot of value from the TRD Off Road trim, especially if you want the modes.
@@rkba4923 we've also learned from the 22 Tundra, that when Toyota releases a new design it increases in price dramatically! People whine about pricing, but $42k +/- for a new truck in 2022 is fantastic, especially at this equipment level. I may trade my Tundra for one of these before the next redesign.
I love the front locker, rear locker that can be locked in 2HI & 4HI, fully boxed frame, 4 wheel disc brakes, and 1300#+ payload of the TRD Pro.
I mean, who doesn’t love a TRD Pro…? Can’t wait to see the next one revealed soon. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
@@jax1079 lol!!! The TRD Pro has NONE of those features!! 😂😂😂😂
@@scotw67 With competition getting stiffer in the segment, it’ll need at least some of those features to compete. What used to be smallish light duty trucks have now become the workhorses, really, since full sized trucks have become glitzy status symbols. Or cost a mortgage.
I want that green truck!
It's definitely a good looking truck
Toyota should pay you for this Tacoma Ad.
Haha! I wish! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
I’d Love to have the grill and wheels from the Trail for my White TRD Off Road.
I'ts actually positioned in between the SR5 and the Off-Road in price and capabilities.
The starting prices on Toyota’s website say different. Sure, most TRD Off Road models are optioned up more, but they start at different prices.
@@jax1079 I wouldn’t put. Lot of stock in the starting price. As far as features and the price you will see at the dealer it sits between the SR5 and the OR. Mine was $42,303. Allocated OR’s won’t show up at the dealer that low. It’s not a TRD, it’s a dolled up SR5, and that’s where it sits in the lineup.
@@evmiller219 You’re not wrong. I think it would make more sense for Toyota to clarify that on the website since it misrepresents the Trail as having similar hardware to the TRD models (which it doesn’t), but since it LOOKS like one some buyers might be confused.
@Sea Dweller Agree. Even with the TRD Pro styling, I think it would have been better to position at least adjacent to the OR rather than slightly higher than its base, more as an alternative to increased capability with increased style. Thanks for watching.
Not sure if the price is regional or if it’s the fact that your video was 10 months ago, but I just paid 48 for a Trd off-road. This was from a dealer who was a personal friend that didn’t mark the MSRP up 5 to 7 grand like the other salesmen were doing.
Sadly, I think the market really is the crazy. I honestly wonder how to even contextualize prices of vehicles I review at this point because the pricing info we're sent or given doesn't match the reality of what dealers are charging. It's a real problem.
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 Great review. I am getting my 2023 TRD Off Road any day now. I understand your opinion about waiting for the 2024, but I want the 23 because I do want an old school truck. I just got rid of a 2023 Kia Sportage SX Prestige because I didn't like all the technology for an everyday "manly" driver. I have a 23 Telluride SX for that when needed. I want the Taco just the way it is and I'm worried a 24 would be a huge change. If I get sucked into all that...then Ill probably consider one several years down the road. This truck will still be a winner.
I think you're not alone. There's a sizable market out there for the 2023 models. Thanks for watching!
Nice ad, dude 👍 Pretty cool Taco as well.
Well Toyota pays me trillions of dollars so I gotta keep them happy.
Excuse me, but isn’t there such a thing as a shift retune or an aftermarket option which will make this whining point go away?
I believe so. I think people often do that with Tacomas. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
I bought my 2017 TRD OR 4x4, with add-ons, in Houston brand new for $34,000. The truck is now paid off and resales at $38,000. I only have 51k miles...
😆 🤣 😂
Also swap the gears for 4.88 if you're upgrading your tires and thrown overland weight on her.
Nice! Sounds like you’re living the best of both worlds. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
In June I got a 22 Black Pro 6 speed manual ! ❤
Nice! Congrats!
And which one is better with Reliable and Durability?
The 24’s are having a lot of issues
Two things: first, any new model is going to have some issues, especially a new platform and powertrain; second, many of the reliability "problems" people cite come from just one or two very public examples of a mechanical issue (such as the TFL video). This is hardly representative when you consider the thousands and thousands of trucks going out to customers.
You can't touch one of those for under 50,000 in my market with the crazy dealer markups. You also need to catch up on the Canyon. The 2023 is way nicer looking and way more powerful. (and I drive a Toyota as I have for the past 34 years)
Yeah, the markups are out of control. I really like the looks of the new Colorado and Canyon, so I’m looking forward to getting behind the wheel. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Power numbers aren't everything. The new GMC Canyon and it's Chevy clone, the Colorado are going to be 2.7L Turbos. You're going to have a very stressed-out turbo I4 trying to do truck duty and I have a feeling that we're going to see a higher incidence of engine failures/issues. These newer engines are being pushed much more with the forced induction which means lower lifespans and a lot more wear and maintenance. They're going with the I4 turbos to chase fuel economy, not necessarily performance.
My dealership has these for 43k. Really tempted at that price. The TRD OR are 48, I’m wondering if they are trying to move these out for the 24 trailhunter incoming
Probably. I think $43k is NOT bad for the Trail. Nice to see a reasonable price on these.
Also, access cab would make for a shorter wb.
The trail definitely isn’t above the TRD OFF-ROAD
It’s priced that way.
@@jax1079 yeah for you you get it’s over priced. The grill is bad ass though.
@@marimashburn7796 Sure is. Looks damn good
Its miles ahead
I've got an order placed for one of these, but still curious about the 2024 Tacoma. I think it will be a few more years before we have a more affordable gen 4 taco hybrid.
There have not been many leaks on the 2024 Taco or 4Runner. I think hybrid power is a safe bet, but it’s going to need to be relatively powerful considering GM just dropped some compelling new small trucks. We should know more soon…
Got the regular sr5 and added a rear locker. Now I can use the locker in more than just four low, and saved thousands.
Good plan! Well done 👍🏻
Needs recovery points in the front and where are the foglights?
Recovery hooks would be nice on most Toyotas
This perfect for me i just want the looks and some of the utility
I imagine that’s going to be a lot of people’s reasons for wanting this truck. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
So I am 6'4 and just test drove a 2021 TRD OR, and it felt like the steering wheel was in my lap while my legs hit it on the way in. It looks like you fit great in here so how did you adjust it to be that way or is that the new 2023 front seats?
Hmmm, not sure. I always lower the seat as much as possible and put it all the way back to start. Hope that helps! And thanks for watching 🙏🏻
If you are holding out for the 2024 Tacoma, I would argue that it isn't just holding out for a few months but rather a few years. The current generation Tacoma didn't get past its newborn growing pain issues until 2019 so a 2024 probably won't be good until 2027. And 4 cylinder turbo........... Ughhhh... Manufacturers are having alot of problems with those especially in longevity. Personally I think they should have boosted the power on the V6 a little and updated the transmission.
There will be a delay before the highest output versions of the Tacoma powertrain are available, and I always recommend waiting a model year or two before buying. Definitely a good way to avoid growing pains 😉👍🏻
The problem I have with the trail is I can’t order one with a manual tranny. So no go for me.
This is true. Sadly, that will probably cease to be an option on the next gen of most light pickups. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Another poser here. Bought one yesterday out-of-state, and now it has new a home in Central Texas
Haha! No judgment on my end! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
enjoyed new sub 👍🏾
Thanks so much! Welcome to the channel, and thanks for watching 🙏🏻
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Lots of reasons to! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Why hold out ? The new 4cylinder turbo engine on the 2024 tacoma is going to lag on city streets it’s going to be underpowered for that size of a vehicle I’m talking about the non iforce trd pro and trail hunter that’s why they put that ev power assist because 4 banger is weak
Everything you just said is objectively untrue. If you look at the power numbers, the new turbo engine should feel more responsive when paired with a far more modern 8 speed
Wait, where did you get that hat????
Toyota. Why? You want it? 😉👍🏻
@@jax1079 it’s dope! Love the snap back
@@buttershop5697 I’ll send it to you if you want it. I never wear hats.
@@jax1079 dude that would be incredible
@@buttershop5697 DM me on Instagram and I’ll drop it in the mail this week.
Left toyota for a new frontier pro4x. I'll never look back at toyota. No flaws to be found on the new frontier.
No flaws...? But I get it. The Frontier is underrated
Note: The storage unit and cooler in the back of the bed are both removable. I just bought a new 2023 Trail. So far I absolutely love it.
As long as they don’t but that auto start shit on it I will be happy!
Don’t mind as long as it can be turned off 😉
Holding out for a new car that’s totally unproven from a reliability standpoint? For years to come the 2023 is probably the ultimate refinement of the taco in terms of having the bugs worked out. The 2024 looks great but is festooned with shit to break from the looks of it.
There’s logic to this take for sure. The current Taco is about as dialed in as a truck can get and was already famously reliable. I’m sure the sales of the 2023 Tacos and 2024 4Runners will remain healthy for that reason. Time will tell about the new one, but if I had to bet my hard earned money on someone it would certainly be Toyota.
@@jax1079 just wrapped up buying a 23, it’s just a known quantity. A bit dated for sure but its ins and outs and known and I surely don’t want an over-complex drive train in an off-road or over land vehicle.
The truck already has a small bed then you put in the boxes and make it basically worthless.
Unless you put stuff in the boxes… 🤔 Far fewer people fill their truck beds on a regular basis than people think.
Jax Florida??
Haha! Nope, just my name.
the tacoma is a good truck but more like asian or smaller person they need to make more space in back seats.
Next one will have more space
Aside from its looks, this truck makes no sense, its just a money grab from Toyota. For the same price or less, you can get a trd off-road with all the off road bells and whistles. This one has the standard suspension, no crawl control, no multi terrain, no fog lights and it’s almost the same price as a Trd pro 🤯
I think you’d be hard pressed to find a TRD Pro at this price point. You’re not wrong, though, and I think some of the appeal of this truck is cosmetic because you get some TRD style on a regular truck
Hello nice to meet you my name is psycho😁🙏
That tracks
im tempted to sell my taco just so I dont associate myself with this wack cult .... if the truck isn't trash then 1. why is the internet complaining about it ... 2. why so many new ones in the used lot ...... taco is the worst vehicle ive ever owned or experienced -and ive had 2 VWs and a ford etc... -so that says a lot
Ive got a 21 off-road .... the tacoma is over priced poser trash -literally nothing good about it except the looks and the new Colorado has that beat now...its not made to off-road, rear speakers dont play sound, paint comes off, leaky rear diff, dumb trans, sloppy/dangerous handling, gas millage is way worse than estimated, seating position is a joke, plastic bed, where the interior space? -the truck is huge, 3 + unstuck options that all o the same thing( and the LSD is in the back with the locker LOL), etc etc .... literally the worste B-team designed vehicle of all time ill be going back to GM
This is pretty tough criticism. While I’m sure the Taco has flaws, it seems a bit disingenuous to compare an ancient outgoing model to a brand new (unproven) model. There’s a reason Tacos have built the reputation they have. Sorry to hear that you seem to have purchased a disappointing copy, but I suppose they exist out there, too… Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
@@jax1079 the only thing disingenuous is you and your comments. I only compared the Colorado looks -but if you knew anything about anything then you would know the motor is coming out of a silverado. ...and not to mention 3rd gen tacos are unproven. .... yes the reason is tacos used to be good -they are not anymore -period.... no, do your research -its not my model -its everyones model -and to boot -most of what I said is DESIGN flaws -meaning it was designed that way .... not to mention the internet backs me up on this ....how about check the list of problems per hundred cars -its not the same toyota -they aren't even made in Japan anymore
@@jax1079 you know -frankly you dont know what you are talking about and you do your audience a disservice by spreading misinformation and getting people to waste money on junk.... hope you think hard about that ......
@@comment_below It'll be hard, but I'll try my best to sleep at night.
@@jax1079 solid cringe .... try harder than your research and education
NOT impressed with this guy!
All caps AND an exclamation point?! Were you emphatically pointing while you typed this…?
Yea the gmc has the old headlights but so does that sr5 and it doesn’t have larger off-road tires like you said
Huh? Then what does it have…?
Access cab is better. Trucks NEED st least a 6ft bed
Based on your name, I’m assuming you’re the type of person who actually uses a pickup truck as a pickup truck, so yes, in your case I imagine a 6 foot bed is useful. However, I think most people are much less bad ass and can do with 5. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻