Michael's voice is a welcome relief from the endless sirens of optimism who pervade the media, left and right, and even the community of environmentalists. I see it as one of the five stages of grief as described by Elizabeth Kubler-Ross. These are denial, anger, depression, bargaining and acceptance. In the context of overshoot techno optimism is a type of bargaining, or techno bargaining.
Micheal, I found your work on UA-cam a few weeks ago. I had seen an interview with Dahr Jamail by Chris Hedges back in 2019 on Dahr's book, The End Of Ice. Yours and Guy McPherson's work have helped me of late, greatly, to understand our predicament and align my thinking and understanding accordingly. Thank you for your work and for all your efforts to help as many as possible during this most difficult time of transition. As much as I love Richard Wolff, Paul Jay and Noam Chomsky, they all continue to say we have this short term window to turn this behemoth 'ship' around etc... When you look at the aggregate of our predicament it is so clear that we need you, Guy McPherson and others in your post doom talks etc... to help guide and support as many as possible with climate collapse. Thank you! Please keep going!
How wonderful to hear Michael Dowd again, it's been awhile...he has the best collapse commentaries on the internet and his observations and explanations on the impending ecological and economic collapse we are facing. I would pay good money to talk with Mr Dowd over dinner someday, we can call it My Dinner with Dowd!
@@thegreatstory ok we spend time in Saugatuck Michigan every summer, how far is it to Ypsilanti Michigan? We live in Indy and I would gladly drive to Michigan just to have lunch or dinner sometime... I'm about to go crazy here because no one I know - even my long time environmental activist friends - believes that collapse is imminent. I've been following Guy McPherson since 2012 and just discovered your UA-cam channel in the past two years or so. I'm a 63-year-old nurse working at a large urban hospital and looking to escape the US ASAP, especially after the Trump/ pandemic years!
Thanks for your comment! I try (not always successfully, of course :-) to live my life according to this mantra: "May I live this day with the end in mind, with loving-kindness and gratitude in my heart, and with the truth on my lips. So help me G🌎D." ua-cam.com/video/DEDvM8Agmw4/v-deo.html
Excellent! You always make things so clear -- pulling so many different threads together into a cogent argument. Some of this is familiar from other videos you gave, but this one is both comprehensive and easy to get. And love your recent AI content. Thank you.
As grim as the scene already is, with polycrisis dynamics already beyond remedy, I despair even more in anticipation of the myriad ways that social media and GPT/AI will fragment even further the human ability to take any kind of collectively intelligent action.
Don't despair. Accept it all as inevitable. Enjoy what time you have left and be the biggest blessing to others (including other species) that you can, for as long as you can.
Gosh, this presentation is good. Brutally and awesomely honest. I especially love the way how Michael pinpoints anthrophocentrism as the root cause of the predicament. And how he points out this inflationary use of a fictional global group that is called "we". I almost never use this word, and most of the time it is used by others it seems to refer to a group I don't see myself part of. The presentation makes me again think of my own path.. been a renewable energies scientist for 17+ years, and I truly feel that this way is no longer the right one. It gets harder and harder to still do the job, year by year. I can no longer motivate designing a technical system that is only to extend a business-as-usual that cannot be sustained. I feel more and more like an alien to this world. Only point where I differ from Michael is the weighting and selection of post-doom action. I'm not the "love and care" guy all too much, not this way. I just try to make a graceful retreat, try to minimize additional damage, try to preserve life when possible. I try to not blame others for doing what they deem right, and I'm very positive towards my body's mortality. I feel love for and confidence in life and nature, and the firm confidence that - as bad as things might get - life will rise from the ashes like a phoenix. Like it has many times before.
Fantastic work, Michael. I might gather our "Pro-future Faith" group (from a few years ago) for a reunion and viewing of this together. Our best to you and Connie!
Would like to read Stewart Udall's foreword to 'Overshoot'. Couldn't afford Audible and couldn't find the whole book for free on any other sites. Does anyone know where I could find the foreword?
Great presentation. As always. Ever consider referencing the work of Buckminster Fuller? He wasn't like the techno-optimists of today. Wanted to focus human ingenuity and labor toward a truly sustainable and stable society/civilization. He was a little "too ahead of him time".
I've not looked at your productions before but you evidently have a long background. I'm skeptical that spiritualistically edifying physical realism can even have equal pedagogical outcomes with secular approaches to reality, let alone better. It may well mitigate depression but my gut feeling is that most adherents of this approach would just be more confident as apolitical consumers in the end, feeling newly justified in their preexisting political near-apathy.
I broadly agree, but in defence of the "politically apathetic" -- whom I almost envy -- our behaviour is just as constrained by our time and place as our beliefs. The fact that Dowd's approach to _thought_ about climate change has no effect on behaviour is quite besides the point, isn't it? Genuine political apathy/denialism is no more a choice than acceptance; for those too intelligent or knowledgeable for the former, there is a need for some novel coping mechanisms.
Hi, Michael. Thanks for your presentations. What do you mean when you mention considering one’s personal “legacy”? Surely the concept of a legacy as we have come to think of it-as the material, ethical and epistemic inheritance we pass on to future generations-is incoherent in light of your analysis of our current trajectory. Are you referring to the kind of “deep” legacy implied in your recommendations around assisted migration and reducing long-term toxicity (etc.)? Or something else? Thanks.
I think this civilization is different because it's globe spanning for the 1st time. We have made advances exponentially greater than any in the chart.
I agree with those before me (Paul Kingsnorth and David Abram, as I recall) who have said, "English is the language of ecocide." The reason *I* presented this in English, of course, is because (I say this to my own embarrassment) it is the only language I know and my audience, CACOR, is largely an English speaking one (many speak French, too, but I don't.) Finally I'm not sure I understand how to interpret "intended solely for Western Civilization" as I'd be curious to hear which aspects of this program, if any, you think would NOT be appreciated or understood (or just obvious) to a non Western one. Yes, anthropocentric "Western Civilization" (Homo colossus) is surely the prime driver of collapse, ecocide, and likely NTHE. Do you mean something other than that?
RIP Michael Dowd. He was such a genuine voice.
I miss Michael terribly. 💔
Michael's voice is a welcome relief from the endless sirens of optimism who pervade the media, left and right, and even the community of environmentalists. I see it as one of the five stages of grief as described by Elizabeth Kubler-Ross. These are denial, anger, depression, bargaining and acceptance. In the context of overshoot techno optimism is a type of bargaining, or techno bargaining.
Thanks!
Glad to see Reverend Reality back on the UA-cam!
Amen, brother! 🙂
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Micheal, I found your work on UA-cam a few weeks ago. I had seen an interview with Dahr Jamail by Chris Hedges back in 2019 on Dahr's book, The End Of Ice. Yours and Guy McPherson's work have helped me of late, greatly, to understand our predicament and align my thinking and understanding accordingly.
Thank you for your work and for all your efforts to help as many as possible during this most difficult time of transition. As much as I love Richard Wolff, Paul Jay and Noam Chomsky, they all continue to say we have this short term window to turn this behemoth 'ship' around etc... When you look at the aggregate of our predicament it is so clear that we need you, Guy McPherson and others in your post doom talks etc... to help guide and support as many as possible with climate collapse. Thank you! Please keep going!
Thank YOU, brother Tom!
Thank you Michael.
I hate the fact that in the middle pf a train wreck I still have to get up and go to work and make monthly payments
Yupperdoodle.
Thanks for the shout out Michael … and for another potent presentation. 🙏🏼
You're most welcome, Michael!
Michael Dowd R.I.P. ❤
Loved your presentation MIchael. Many thanks to you and Connie for your work.
Thanks, dear one!
How wonderful to hear Michael Dowd again, it's been awhile...he has the best collapse commentaries on the internet and his observations and explanations on the impending ecological and economic collapse we are facing. I would pay good money to talk with Mr Dowd over dinner someday, we can call it My Dinner with Dowd!
Sounds like fun! If you're anywhere near Ypsilanti, Michigan let me know! 🙂
@@thegreatstory ok we spend time in Saugatuck Michigan every summer, how far is it to Ypsilanti Michigan? We live in Indy and I would gladly drive to Michigan just to have lunch or dinner sometime... I'm about to go crazy here because no one I know - even my long time environmental activist friends - believes that collapse is imminent. I've been following Guy McPherson since 2012 and just discovered your UA-cam channel in the past two years or so. I'm a 63-year-old nurse working at a large urban hospital and looking to escape the US ASAP, especially after the Trump/ pandemic years!
Big fan of yours . Thank you and God Bless 🙏🏽
Thanks so much!
You are *_my_* kind of preacher!
Thanks!
thanks for telling the truth
Thanks for your comment! I try (not always successfully, of course :-) to live my life according to this mantra: "May I live this day with the end in mind, with loving-kindness and gratitude in my heart, and with the truth on my lips. So help me G🌎D." ua-cam.com/video/DEDvM8Agmw4/v-deo.html
@@thegreatstory I think it is not bad. He is very much up to date to the science data
Excellent! You always make things so clear -- pulling so many different threads together into a cogent argument. Some of this is familiar from other videos you gave, but this one is both comprehensive and easy to get. And love your recent AI content. Thank you.
Delighted you took time to watch it, Eliot...thanks!
Thankyou for your courage and integrity to tell it straight.
Thanks for this. At least we still have dignity and knowing the world is dead is not my fault. Enjoy the life while you can.
Yup. Still much loving we can do!
I love how comprehensive these videos are.
Wow, I really needed to hear that.
RIP Michael😪
As grim as the scene already is, with polycrisis dynamics already beyond remedy, I despair even more in anticipation of the myriad ways that social media and GPT/AI will fragment even further the human ability to take any kind of collectively intelligent action.
Don't despair. Accept it all as inevitable. Enjoy what time you have left and be the biggest blessing to others (including other species) that you can, for as long as you can.
Everything you need to know in one hour.
Thanks for this generous comment, brother!
Gosh, this presentation is good. Brutally and awesomely honest. I especially love the way how Michael pinpoints anthrophocentrism as the root cause of the predicament. And how he points out this inflationary use of a fictional global group that is called "we". I almost never use this word, and most of the time it is used by others it seems to refer to a group I don't see myself part of.
The presentation makes me again think of my own path.. been a renewable energies scientist for 17+ years, and I truly feel that this way is no longer the right one. It gets harder and harder to still do the job, year by year. I can no longer motivate designing a technical system that is only to extend a business-as-usual that cannot be sustained. I feel more and more like an alien to this world.
Only point where I differ from Michael is the weighting and selection of post-doom action. I'm not the "love and care" guy all too much, not this way. I just try to make a graceful retreat, try to minimize additional damage, try to preserve life when possible. I try to not blame others for doing what they deem right, and I'm very positive towards my body's mortality. I feel love for and confidence in life and nature, and the firm confidence that - as bad as things might get - life will rise from the ashes like a phoenix. Like it has many times before.
I agree , your best video yet
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Thanks!
Peace.
Thanks!
Fantastic work, Michael. I might gather our "Pro-future Faith" group (from a few years ago) for a reunion and viewing of this together. Our best to you and Connie!
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💚💛💚!
AMEN
Would like to read Stewart Udall's foreword to 'Overshoot'. Couldn't afford Audible and couldn't find the whole book for free on any other sites. Does anyone know where I could find the foreword?
Great presentation. As always. Ever consider referencing the work of Buckminster Fuller? He wasn't like the techno-optimists of today. Wanted to focus human ingenuity and labor toward a truly sustainable and stable society/civilization. He was a little "too ahead of him time".
Be of service to the Living Planet. Look for opportunities to be helpful. Use your given skills for the common good.
I've not looked at your productions before but you evidently have a long background. I'm skeptical that spiritualistically edifying physical realism can even have equal pedagogical outcomes with secular approaches to reality, let alone better. It may well mitigate depression but my gut feeling is that most adherents of this approach would just be more confident as apolitical consumers in the end, feeling newly justified in their preexisting political near-apathy.
I broadly agree, but in defence of the "politically apathetic" -- whom I almost envy -- our behaviour is just as constrained by our time and place as our beliefs. The fact that Dowd's approach to _thought_ about climate change has no effect on behaviour is quite besides the point, isn't it? Genuine political apathy/denialism is no more a choice than acceptance; for those too intelligent or knowledgeable for the former, there is a need for some novel coping mechanisms.
If you're interested, my best "eco-theo" (G🌎D-centered) videos can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/cZohskqziE8/v-deo.html
Hi, Michael. Thanks for your presentations. What do you mean when you mention considering one’s personal “legacy”? Surely the concept of a legacy as we have come to think of it-as the material, ethical and epistemic inheritance we pass on to future generations-is incoherent in light of your analysis of our current trajectory. Are you referring to the kind of “deep” legacy implied in your recommendations around assisted migration and reducing long-term toxicity (etc.)? Or something else? Thanks.
I think this civilization is different because it's globe spanning for the 1st time. We have made advances exponentially greater than any in the chart.
Is super AI another symptom of overshoot such as climate change?
Wow, what a fascinating thought, Michael. Yes, I would say so. (Not the whole picture, for sure, but super insightful. Thanks!)
There's a reason this presentation is in English and is intended solely for Western Civilization...
I agree with those before me (Paul Kingsnorth and David Abram, as I recall) who have said, "English is the language of ecocide." The reason *I* presented this in English, of course, is because (I say this to my own embarrassment) it is the only language I know and my audience, CACOR, is largely an English speaking one (many speak French, too, but I don't.) Finally I'm not sure I understand how to interpret "intended solely for Western Civilization" as I'd be curious to hear which aspects of this program, if any, you think would NOT be appreciated or understood (or just obvious) to a non Western one. Yes, anthropocentric "Western Civilization" (Homo colossus) is surely the prime driver of collapse, ecocide, and likely NTHE. Do you mean something other than that?
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Maybe future species if they arise will wonder why we were warned about overshoot and did nothing to save ourselves 😂
Cyclical universe baby - 'we' may have to come back n try again.. in 40 biilions years or so..
Indeed... Life continues, thank G🌎D ... just not our particular kind of G🌎Dling.
Planet hospice promoted by Guy McPherson.
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