Best episode in a while boys. Can’t put my finger on why? Variety of topics? A little less gear-geeking? A little more bunch chat? Love the product boys… sensitive to upticks in quality / engagement. Today was one of those. 👌 keep going!!
DIY aero testing for helmet aerodynamics: grow a mullet and let it hang out the back of the helmet. Mullet flaps around in the wind = separated, turbulent flow=drag. Mullet stay attached to upper neck or even shoulders (mullet size dependent), flow is not separated and you are aero. Guaranteed to "see aero" using this technique
I’ve use weight loss drug started at 118kg too heavy to ride, 5 months later lost 30kg and back on the bike, no side affects, was doing indoor training on the turbo all at low intensity. It’s given back my life and set me free from food.
Hey there. I'm a little late to the party but I figured I'd jump in and give some info about my article on Velo. Some of this is in the article, a few things aren't. First lets talk position. You are right about zone 2 and an aero position. I can hold a pretty good aero position and it's something I practice often. I didn't expect to have issues with flat forearms on the hoods but I wasn't able to keep it as static as I wanted. I rode about 85k the day of the test and it all had to be static. If I was pushing hard in a TT or something I'd have found the position that worked for me on the bike I was using and held it for a relatively short amount of time. Small movements wouldn't be something I'd worry too much about. The reality of the test meant that didn't work. Still, I took a position closer to Van Der Poel than Tom. For one thing you can see a massive stack of spacers on his bike. I don't run spacers so already I'm much lower. I also had my arms in a deeper bend than Tom. I wasn't on the drops though as I didn't think I could keep it consistent enough. It still wasn't as aero as I'd have liked but it is what it is. Also my goal was to find out, in the real world the way people actually ride, what were the differences in terms of helmets. To that end the original design of the "experiment" (I do cover this in the article) was to use the POC Procen Air and the Lazer Z1 as control helmets. The Procen Air should have been faster and I wanted to know how much. The Z1 should have been slower and I wanted to know how much. Instead what I found was that there wasn't much difference between most of the helmets, including the Z1. To me that leaves this conclusion: If you want a fast aero helmet in the scope of a "regular" helmet then get the Specialized Evade III. It's free watts and I have no idea what you guys are talking about when saying it's somehow different than other road helmets. It looks like an aero road helmet and it's faster. On the other hand, for most people walking into a shop to buy an all-around helmet I'd say what I found is that you either pick the Evade of it doesn't matter. Choose vented, choose aero, choose what looks pretty… whatever. You are asking a reasonable question about what the results would have looked like in an aero position though. Maybe the Ballista does a little better when tucked? Or maybe it doesn't and most people buying it aren't going to use it while staying deeply tucked all the time anyway. Generally I start to wonder what the point is. The Procen Air is a "road helmet" that's faster than any other so if you really want speed, that's it. I've worn it for 160k without an issue. Just stay moving. If we pretend that the Specialized doesn't exist, in what situation do you need a regular road aero helmet where you will also be super disciplined about position. Now why wouldn't you wear the POC in that situation? Or you could just buy a Specialized Evade since that one is faster even in a less aero position. I think the real question ends up being is there a helmet that's faster than the Evade when in an aero position but is otherwise slower? I don't know the answer to that but it's intriguing. My guess is none of the helmets I tested is going to make up a massive gulf from up a bit upright to deeply tucked. That's a guess though.
I'm for the helmet swap at the feed zone, if you're stuck solo, use the aero advantage. if you're in a pack, aero is barely going to matter and go with comfy/cooling factor, it will matter more to keep you regulated vs pack riding airflow. I have no idea how this channel doesn't have 100k subs easily, I seriously love the long show format (2 hour watcher here baby, keep them coming!) vs the shorts, my attention span doesn't even mind it. You've replaced my music listening during mobility work time.
Thanks for the comment man. I think I will run the normal helmet, it’s looking like most of the race will be in a group. As for the subs … we are working on it, I think it’s just a matter of sticking with it.
56:14: The Dare VA-AFO was mainly designed by Uno-X's performance engineer Casper von Folsach with help from Swiss Side, it's not unthinkable that he's also had input on the design for the new Ridley, thus explaining why there are a number of similarities in the designs.
Chris! Will in Fresno here. I'm in week five of Ozempic. Had gastric sleeve in 2019 lost 100 pounds, started gaining it back and even eating 1300 calories a day and riding 10-12 hours a week I couldn't lose any weight. They tried me on a bunch of other drugs before we got here. We did so because I was 5'6" 200 pounds when I should have been 150. Plus my blood pressure has been high. Did a CX race three days after my first injection. After a single lap I had zero strength. I had nothing to fuel me. My power dropped by more than half. Finished and chundered all over. My issue is that because of my tiny stomach I was only eating 1300 calories and now my brain is telling me I'm full and I'm eating less. I'm eating more times in order to get the calories without being blocked by my Ozempic brain. So far I've solved the problem by eating a Beta Fuel every 20 mins. Next CX race is in a week and a half, so we shall see.
I'm a type 2 diabetic. The symptoms Daniel is describing is exactly why i was told ozempic wasn't for me. Metformin and insulin injections works great. I control intake of carbs when not cycling and eat more on the bike. Actually im off all medication because my HbA1c was 30. Cycling is great for managing type 2 diabetes.
" . . . Actually I'm off all medication because my HbA1c was 30. Cycling is great for managing type 2 diabetes." --->> I looked the entire Internet hoping to see a comment like THIS! Thanks! I can imagine what triathlons can do for type II people!
This is very good chat about Ozempic. I am sure many cyclists are considering these drugs and they clearly are not good for hardcore endurance athletes.
T2 cyclist as well. My blood sugar drops always when I ride. I have to carefully intake carbs prior to and during the ride, but not carry too many carbs into post ride so that I don’t have an excess. Timing meds is helpful to not peak or bonk from high or low sugar levels. Definitely a strategic process, but not complicated. Just have to be mindful. I am currently waiting for approval of qualification for a glucose monitor for full-time monitoring. It should be a good experiment to help me stay conscious of my sugar levels/intake/rate of consumption.
Really liked the low cadence training chat on this episode, planning to watch it again and make some more notes. Always interested to hear Jessie's insights into training 👍 The last 12 weeks or so I've done my first ever attempt at training around zones, doing plenty of zone 2 and trying to incorporate VO2max and threshold 1-3 times per week. I have included a few low cadence/SFR sessions but I did go too high on the cadence and power the first couple of times ~60rpm @ ~115% of FTP. Last week I tried 4 × 8 minutes, ~55rpm @ 95% - 100% of FTP and had the DOMS next day as if I'd done a weights training session. I reckon I need to get weight training again (easier said than done with back and chronic pain) and do more threshold, VO2max when I can. After 12 weeks my FTP has declined slightly rather than improved, but I can do slightly higher zone 2 for _much_ longer now.
Trek Balista gen 2 is the quietest helmet I've ever worn. The air makes no noise going around it and theu the vents. Gen 3 is supposedly more aero, still quieter than the Evade.
Not amongst the tested, but I'm pleased with the Ekoi ar14. solid price point, light, surprisingly cool, fun magnetic clasp, and mesh straps. I think four teams are currently using it, so probably sees a decent amount of wind tunnel time.
The fact that you don't talk about the leaked Wahoo Element Ace photos tells me, that there might be a unit with Chris and some sort of NDA. So can we except a review right after the release on Dec. 3rd? I'm really interested
This guy's experience is interesting. I started tirzepatide (similar glp-1 drug to ozempic / semaglutide) about a week ago and haven't had the same experience on the bike. Granted, I'm not trying to do high intensity workouts while in a caloric deficit. But fueled zone 2 riding feels totally fine to me so far. Yeah, Jesse is totally right, the dude was just in a HUGE calorie hole and the drug kinda prevents feeling that. Also -- this is my off-season; probably a better time for it for competitive athletes than in-season. Also, if it matters -- my FTP isn't as high as the guest's (320ish) but maybe peaked around 295 this season. Not untrained. My guess is he was just on a higher dose than necessary -- he could run a lower dose, feel more comfortable fueling on the bike, and lose weight more slowly.
Had a patient female coming in the ER with panic attack and stomach aches after taking ozempic injection once over the counter without a doctor. Looked really bad. Definitely should only be giving with doctor’s approval and a doctor looking over it.
@@katiepaulgregory8597 Very difficult if you are a regular Joey, but fitness crowd use it like candy. They just use private consultants to obtain a prescription.
Started taking Semaglutide (Rybelsus) in June and then moved to tirzepatide (mounjaro) after 2 months. Started at 17st 8lb and now 14st 1lb total drop at moment 23kg I do quite a bit of road and gravel riding throughout the summer and had a particularly bad experience out on my own on a country ride. As this medication dehydrates you and also suppresses appetite and the amount you can eat it’s really dangerous combination. I suffered horrendous cramps and passed out a couple of times luckily I was able to get myself to a main road and get picked up by my wife. I now have to stop taking them week before a big ride, but although had a great weight loss there is a clear loss of muscle. None of this info is shared with you when getting the medication. I’m sure it’s ok for people just going to gym and doing short sessions but if you plan on endurance riding or anything longer than 30/40 miles then it’s probably a no go. Everything he mentions in his account on the video is true. It’s the weirdest experience and does work for quick weight loss and it does change your eating habits. The affect it has on your sugar levels is strange as well because as it tries to combat your insulin levels in my experience I then craved sugar. This is a problem if you then crave chocolate and sweets and then are full on that! Then try and work out on a belly full of sugar. It’s not ideal. You need to force yourself to eat the right things still when you are on them. Only my experience anyway, other people may be different. Great video topic BTW and about time someone raised this topic before someone gets hurt 👍
I’m on Tirzepatide I don’t feel bad on the bike but I’m not building. I am supplementing high grade protein shakes with lower carbs. I’m similar body size as your guest. I’m loosing similar weight. Question is what’s in our modern food or water that suppresses the release of these “ I’m full hormones”?
I personally use the smith ignite. Super super comfortable. Middle of the road aero but overall comfort is best I have ever had in a helmet. And it has MIPS :)
In NSW it's now legal to import, sell and wear helmets that meet a number of standards other than the Australian standard. The federal government changed the rules for the supply of helmets in March, and the state government changed the road rules in July. No idea about other states.
AusCycling tech regs have changed without notifying the members - while this worthy a social media post in my view... helmets with various safety certificates are now okay. US, CAN, EU, and AU/NZ from memory.
@ChrisMillerCycling I'd double check with AusCycling before mentioning on air, but this is the 2024 General Tech Reg I think applies as i can't find anything in the Road Regs that states otherwise: 1.03.05 All riders are required to wear a helmet meeting AS2063/NZ 2063 or equivalent. Helmets must have a manufacturers mark stating its compliance with the Standard. Helmets may be inspected at any time by a Commissaire.The following are also accepted as an international equivalent to the Australian/New Zealand Standard 2063:● NSI Z90.4● Snell "B" or "N" series● ASTM F1447● Canadian CAN/CSAD113.2M● U.S. CPSC standard for bicycle helmets● European CEN standard for bicycle helmets (EN1078)Other international standards may be added from time to time however if not explicitly listed above or in any supplementary regulations the helmet is not permitted for use.
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@AlexDowsettOfficial has the most interesting wind tunnel testing of helmets, and his insights pretty much confirm that all these aero tests all very low value information. The testing is only of value to the individual on the bike in their position for the test. Alex talks about shrugging and not shrugging in the videos as well, again it's specific to the individual whether it's worth doing. I think track cycling confirms it as well, national teams at the Olympics were fielding riders with helmets from multiple different brands. Free from the shackles of sponsorship, each rider wears the helmet best suited to them. You'd probably have to test each helmet with hundreds of combinations of riders and positions before you establish a pattern of which are fastest or slowest in general, but even then the information would still be of limited usefulness to buyers because you'd still need your own wind tunnel time and optimisation testing to find the right helmet and position.
I have seen people do this, but personally think it is ineffective (and frustrates cagers as you are going 12mph) as the moment you switch to the big gear and push proper torque you default to self-selecting in the end anyway. In my case it was just riding a lot always easing off the gear a notch to allow faster cadence, but took me years to internalise it to a point am just going for 90-100 rpm instinctively.
I am unable to find any studies of continuous glucose monitoring during exercise while taking glp-1 receptor drugs. I think that would be an interesting study for an exercise physiologist. If continuous ketone monitoring were available, that would add to the data. I am not sure that a sensor for the latter is yet commercially available.
I’ve tried to train through ozempic and had a similar experience. I just don’t seem to be able to utilize carbs the same way. FTP down 20 watts (330-310)
@@DMurdock It takes at least several hours to fill up the muscles with glycogen. Just eating some carbs right before or during the workout won't help if your energy stores are already low from a huge deficit.
I feel the line “it changed my relationship to food” is more of a mental thing attached to the weight loss rather than the drug itself. Probably from a massive calorie deficit, simply due to not eating much. Was there any tracking of intake during this period? IMO, the mental state would come from having seen the gains you made weight loss wise. As a person who was miles overweight as a late teenager (like 125kg), and now a cyclist in my mid to late 40’s at 77kg, it takes a massive mental attitude shift toward food. Yes, you don’t need those biscuits.
It's different to that. Like I tried to explain in the video. I have had weight loss like this before. And even before going on the drug I had lost a decent amount of weight. The difference is the hunger all the time and the food cravings. They change so drastically with ozempic. Weight loss itself didn't change that.
@@Dvlnerocoach I hear you Dan. Weight loss is a difficult one. Even for me, mid to high 70s is not natural for me, and I have to work really hard to maintain that. Whilst I can’t vouch for the drug assisted weight loss, I just know that with my experience of weight loss over the years, it takes a total change of many things in your life. Exercise, sleep patterns, food intake (what and when). And trying to avoid those stupid calories that are unnecessary is very helpful. That’s where I’m coming from, when I say it’s a mental choice. Even though they are tasty. It’s not easy. I’ve found that I take enjoyment in other types of food now. It’s good that you’ve been able to keep the weight off though. Keep it up mate.
Using mounjaro at the moment, it’s genuinely remarkable how the “food noise” is removed. It’s something I’ve always had, the compulsion to eat, the ability to eat enormous amounts, no off switch. I’ve been fit, fat, thin, muscular, and it’s always been there. With this drug it’s just… gone. Only a couple weeks in on the lowest dose so will see how things go, but it’s not “a mental thing attached to the weight loss”. It’s different, genuinely, and I felt it right away from the day after first injection.
There have been studies showing Ozempic can lower testosterone levels which could potentially account for the level of sluggishness and difficulty riding, particularly coupled with the other physiological factors you guys covered.
@ChrisMillerCycling what do you think about the Basso Astra? I think its a beautiful bike. Would be interesting to see you talk about bikes that you generally regarding as nice geometries/ tube shapes in contrast to aero specs etc. and/or can you find a middleground between looks and aero?
I own the prevail 2, prevail 3 and evade 3. I bought the prevail 3 first and then fomo kicked in and got the evade 3. In terms of air cooling the prevail 3 is godlike. The evade is pretty close to cooling when compared to prevail 2 however if you turn your head sideways it definitely doesn't let the same amount of crosswind. IMO You can use the evade for all seasons. I haven't tested them aero wise, I mostly use evade unless I don't want to look like a total try hard on a more casual ride.
I'm a type 1 diabetic and went out on a 100km ride yesterday afternoon. I took a correction dose as my bsl was up around 12mmol/L I had 240g of carbs roughly over a mostly zone 2 ride taking in around 14g or carbs every 15-20mins. My BSL for the entire ride barely crept over 4mmol/L and for the most part I felt fine. I will say that I tend to run Low a lot of the time and my body has adapted to being able to function with low blood sugar. I don't get the typical Hypoglycaemic feeling anymore. Even with 500ml of cola roughly half way in to the ride I never got a sugar spike. I'd be very interested to learn more about BSL and exactly how it affects performance.
I agree on the low cadence training. It's probably helped me to increase my threshold by a further 5-10% simply because the muscular fatigue doesn't creep in as fast (anecdotally). My sprint is still shit, but I just don't feel like I burn out as fast.
Chris, good luck back in Victoria! I want to know what you think of the Aspero (-5?) when your widest wheels are wearing the widest road tyres you have; it will clear a 40mm tyre/rim width.
@@ChrisMillerCycling Let's hope that CM can arrange that on CM Cycling. 🙃 Jesse's thoughts on many tech topics adds a nicely alternate view, though, too! Could 38mm wide GP6000s on 40mm wide (105 rule) rims make an Aspero a road rocket, or is there a tyre too wide?
I was just prescribed Zepbound by my endocrinologist after spending the last ~3 years trying and failing to lose weight I put on after getting hit head on by a car and having to deal with breaking most my right side, and the PTSD that came with getting back on the bike. Along the way we discovered I have Hashimotos disease (a condition where your immune system decides it wants to kill your thyroid, which modulates metabolism) and despite being on the bike consistently 3-5 times a week for the last six months, and consistently improving fitness, weight just isn’t moving how we would expect it to, likely because of the situation with my thyroid. (I’m happy to outline my diet on/off the bike if someone is really that convinced I’m just a gluttonous piece of shit) All that said, I’m nervous to take it because although my weight is higher than I would like, I’m not obese, and I genuinely love riding as it’s where most of my social life takes place. If taking it solves for weight, but destroys my fitness and I can’t enjoyably ride with friends, it’s not a solution for me. If it allows me to drop to a weight I’m comfortable and healthy in my own skin at again, and I’m just a bit sluggish while on it, that’s acceptable as I’m not planning to be on it for my whole life. Happy to field anyone’s outrage and thoughts.
I’m curious, have you been prescribed thyroxine for your Hashimotos? Did your weight stabilise after getting your thyroid level under control? My history is the opposite, with Graves’ disease which became v difficult to control after a bout of covid. I ended up getting a thyroidectomy and taking replacement thyroxine. It’s meant I’m now at a healthy weight with lean muscle mass, whereas before my body was eating itself due to rampant metabolism.
@@sharonmoller7414Sorry, I just realized that I forgot to reply to you. I haven’t been prescribed thyroxine yet because my TSH is within range. However based on my blood work for the last two years, it’s falling, while my ANTI-TPO antibodies are steadily increasing. I’m not at a point where I really have any big issues, and my thyroid ultrasound came back “irregular” so we’re trying to take things slow as to not possibly upset things and accelerate an unbalancing. I have however in the last week learned that thyroxine may be the way to go, as apparently relatively small changes in TSH values can have large impact on some individuals, while others may never notice a difference. I feel like I’m stuck in this strange limbo where I genuinely don’t feel right, but I’m not fat or sick enough for anyone to take me seriously. However when I look at my eating, exercise and sleep habits vs many others in my life, I should look like I just got out of an internment camp, or they should be as big as a house.
Road fondos with timed segments extract everything from a competitive rider and I much prefer those over fondos without them because segments define the race whereas other fondos end up being a flag-to-flag race but not really a race. Better a fondo with some timed climbs and such than otherwise, at the end you know where you stand when you see your segment results and cumulative total and class placement.
So on the Manjaro I started out at 275. I am now down to 213. I didn't seem to have the side effects. Maybe that he had. I don't feel bad on it. I feel great because I'm off of all that insulin. I think that's the big thing. So my insulin resistance has went down and like I said I was taking over 200 units of insulin a day. They said I'd be on insulin the rest of my life Aunt. I'm now off of all my insulin other than the Manjaro. I'm eating healthy and I'm cycling three to four times a week I've done this in 8 month.
I'm taking Manjaro I'm taking for diabetes. It wasn't my intent to lose weight but I've lost over 60 lb with the cycling and the Manjaro and I plan on keeping it off with the cycling. I'm still taking it. I'm off of all my insulin though. I was taking over 200 units of insulin when I first started. I could barely ride 2 mi. I'm now up to 20 miles at a time and I plan on getting to 50
That’s another one of these crazy popular local events that no one outside the area has ever heard of. Be great if they tried to get some “easterners” over for it.
@ChrisMillerCycling I hear ya. I think we may have been the only team from the east. Over 800 participants! As a Fondo rider I think you'd love it and it could be great to assemble a Nero team to ride it for old times' sake? No AusCycling team rego fees just the event rego to register and ride as a team.
In my experience, forcing myself to cycle in a harder gear (which is generally lower cadence) did give me strength gains on the thr bike. I felt this is because your legs get used to the torque and power needed to push that gear. Have no data on it but that was my impression
Really informative but did Daniel mention the dose he was on? Was it the standard first month amount of 0.25 mg injected once weekly or a higher dose like 1-2mg?
Giro eclipse is a super comfy and low profile helmet. (My head is at the end of the medium size range). My one slightly annoyed complaint is that the sweat absorption is pretty bad. There are not nearly enough sweat pads in there. I am a heavy sweater but my slop smith helmet keeps the sweat out of my eyes better.
Actually did my first low cadence drill today, 4x10 minutes up a climb at between 40-60rpm. Reason, it’s on the peaks training program. Gotta say, I’m trashed now! Wonder if it would be better just to do hill repeats at a higher intensity/power, and not worry about cadence work?
I think the difference between him and I is that I'm taking it for diabetes. The plus is I lost weight but I felt better riding on it than I did before I took it. But the difference is probably also that I dropped all the insulin and so this was a major plus for me
I can completely relate to this. I am currently on Wegovy (Ozempic but for weight loss) . This drug makes you feel full. No more second helpings of food for me (which is good). Prior tp Wegovy, I would constantly be hungry even within 2 hours of breakfast or lunch. Regarding riding, let me tell you. Even endurance rides feel hard. Sweet spot workouts feel doubly hard. Forget doing Threshold or VO2 Max workouts. Because of the low calories, I feel listless. This medicine robs you of motivation. I have skipped so many workouts. Perhaps due to the low calories. No motivation to ride. Post workout recovery is shit. I have nothing to back this up but I think, some metabolic pathway pertaining carbohydrate metamolism is being hindered. Haven't lost a lot of weight. I am losing weight slowly but not quickly. I am thinking of quitting. I think this is a perfect druf for people who don't do endurance activity like biking and running. But then also thinking to tough it out now that it is off season and I can afford to do mostly zone 2 rides.
As someone with an egg shaped head, Id say the most important part of a helmet is, does it fit (the inside)? If it hurts your melon, who cares about the aero gains? Also, i completely agree with Chris, black helmets make people disappear. Not safe. I've experienced this first hand as a motorist. It's strange.
37:40 Van Rysel FCR, no question. Quarter of the price of S-Works Evade, while performance the same. There are really better places to spend your money on than helmet (as long as it protects your head ofc)
Ozempic mimics a molecule called GLP-1 whose main physiological action is to create satiety at the brain level so if you take it, you'll be less hungry and be in a caloric deficit. That's what happened for Dylan when he says he was less hungry and felt terrible on the bike as his glycogen stores may be depleted or rather reduced because of a reduced caloric intake, even with fueling during session.
Yes to this and it is essentially fasted training. Without the glycogen storage your body grabs from your fat stores which is arguably way less efficient to turn into energy for most people. He’s basically riding in keto which is a horrible feeling and that’s coming from someone who’s trained on keto. It’s fine for Z1 riding and fat loss but not for gains as it’s pretty hard to push power even in zone 2
Not sure if it made the cut but I mentioned I have lost weight at this speed before and did not feel like this. This was very different to that. While I can't say the calorie deficit wasn't a factor (as it would be part of it) there is definitely more happening.
@@Dvlnerocoach My point was that the semaglutide inhibited your satiety so strongly that your carbohydrate intake may be insufficient to replenish your glycogen stores and be used as a fuel by your other organs at the same time. Maybe it increased your caloric deficit but to me you were just depleted and not able to recover because the carbohydrates you ate was either used during exercise or for basal energy expenditure. From a muscle point of view, glycolysis may be reduced which triggers specific feedbacks typical to muscle fatigue when you try to increase exercice intensity. And as you are probably not adapted to ketosis (like the majority of people), fatty acid and ketones oxidation were not enough to meet the ATP demands of the muscle. Regarding the hypothesis with glucagon, I do not agree with it because: - muscle do not have glucagon receptor and the gycogen breakdown effect is epinephrin dependant for the skeletal muscle. And Epinephrin release from the surrenal gland can happen without glucagon release. - muscle has only GLUT-4 as glucose transporter which only make glucose enter the muscle. He can't release glucose in the bloodstream (only the liver can do that) and its main action to glucose homeostasis is to remove glucose from the bloodstream under insulin action (that's why aerobic exercise is prescribed to T2D patients).
Ozempic is for people with diabetes only as it has a blood sugar regulation effect, a normal healthy person risks getting low blood suger levels by taking Ozempic. If you want to misuse medication to achieve an unnecessary weight loss, you should use the Wegovy variant, not Ozempic. I think this video raises a few serious questions: How can a doctor even consider prescribing diabetes medication to a healthy person, or has he consulted a doctor at all, or just bought it on the black market online? How can misuse of this type of medication to achieve a performance-enhancing effect not be considered doping? (Jan Ullrich would definitely have used it if he had the opportunity.)"
Ozempic and Wegovy are the same compound, the difference is the max dosage available but dosage is chosen based on individual tolerability. The hypoglycaemic episodes are not common
You have no idea if Dan’s doctor rationalised the use of Ozempic based on whether he was insulin resistant with a raised HBA1C…. Don’t be so quick to highlight the ethical considerations when the story was about how he felt training and the effect on training…
My feeling is that my performance drops significantly while on the drug. I have wondered if it was purely lack of glyc or there was something else. Got a bit smarter around carbing the night before and during (switched from zero cal electrolyte to staminade, more gels etc). Got heaps better, but I'm convinced there is something else in it.
The giro eclipse has a terrible sweat catcher. Too thick, once it reaches saturation it drips directly onto your glasses. Great in winter though. Ventilation effect is similar to the Aries even in summer. I use the sweat catcher from the Aries on the Eclipse in summer. The Eclipse is minimum 5km/h faster going downhill than the Aries. Can’t see aero, but I can hear it in a helmet, and the difference in how quiet the eclipse is compared to the Aries is incredible. Overall, fantastic helmet, let down only by the sweat catcher.
re: gravel being a bit of a manufactured fad -- theres definitely an argument for that, I think it depends on what you've got to ride. In and around sydney its a bit of a pisstake, i use my gravel bike for commuting mostly just because its more comfortable. Down in vic they've got a few more options, up in QLD got the BVRT which is a bit more compelling if you're local.
To avoid negative performance side affects from Ozempic. Elite level cyclists looking to shed 1-3 kg can simply micro dose for 4-5 days once a month on their recovery week. Requires some planning and periodisation in your training but it then allows the quality to keep on trucking 🤘🏻Let it be known that it does remove muscle, strength, bone density etc so it must be used very sparingly and in conjunction with gym
I've fallen into a naturally uncomfortably high cadence, recently had a heart bypass so aerobic capacity is rubbish. I find myself sitting at 95 rpm and getting puffed long before I get tired legs or heart rate zones catch up. I have to think about sitting in that 80ish zone to get a decent ride in,
Expensive helmets aren't rated highly for safety by a recent study; the best were actually two Specialized budget (MIPS) helmets.......Aero is fine on a closed road setting - otherwise I'd always go for safer option.
Yeah, you can’t take Ozempic and exercise at the same time. Been there done that. Also if you take it for a long time it can make you feel not only energyless but also distressed. You also need to ramp up the doses. If you go hard from the get go you’ll be in bed being totally exhausted, with no appetite and unable to eat. Getting out of bed will feel like climbing a mountain. If you’re going to use ozempic to loose weight then seperate the exercise from the ozempic usage and don’t do it at the same time
I was curious about the Ozempic thing since I have more than a few Kgs to loose. Sounds to me like it isn't a quick fix that would be advisable for a competitive cyclist to pursue. Unfortunately, I probably need to have a more disciplined relationship with my food intake. No shortcuts!
Not talking about helmet price ? Id much rather lose 3 watts and saved almost 200$ in some instances.. Evade III is 300$ (on sale 200$ maybe?) POC procen is 400$ giro eclipse > 180$ Van Rysel FCR retails for less 150$ and imo looks by far the best
Which watts are real with equipment in each of our individual cycling worlds? Josh P from Silca introduced a lot of us to the Robert Chung method of determining our own real-world performance measurements, and therefore be able to check our own results for any adjustments. I've not found a suitable course myself, so have not tried it.
OMG. So much stuff here in USA is "segment racing" and IMO it sucks. I hate it. Not a real race IMO. I always just try to get it done. Overall time is my personal goal.
Weight loss and cycling is so toxic. To feel awful, look awful and generally force your body to cronically underperform in all elements except for when cycling on a bike, on an incline. I honestly dont get it.
He using GLP1 to essentially chock-diet. Loosing a kilo a week means being on a 1000-1500 kcal-deficit a day depending on BMR. That means loosing not only fat but also likely muscle mass. No available glycogen - must likely why felt horrible on the bike. For a sustainable healthy weight loss one should be around 200-300 kcal/day. This has been done completely wrong imo.
Depends on your body and overall size to begin with, but there’s no reason to assume you’re losing muscle if you’re fuelling around workouts within that deficit, and eating enough protein.
Your body is always gonna catabolize muscle along with fat. Muscle takes a lot longer to convert to energy, so if the body burns through all the fat first, and is stuck with a bunch of muscle and no fat or carbs it will just crap out ie you die. The body's goal is to keep you alive, not to satisfy your vanity or make you 2% faster at a mile effort.
Now on my diet I eat a lot of protein. I'm not eating as much. I'm probably eating half of what I used to eat which is great on my rides. I take a mixture of nuts and I also take like fruit bars for fast carby energy. So far this seems to work for me. I ain't got this figured out. It's learn as I go
semaglutide is inferior by faaaar in comparison to tirzepatide or retatrutide a s long as we are talking aerobic performance. Any endurance athlete using any of these three must include some sort of a mitochondrial support stack to the mix since the mitohondria will get overwhelmed by all the ffa that will be released as a consequence. Next thing is taking care of the increased production of free radicals from the oxidative stress. Been there done that...ozempic is garbage in comparison to mounjaro. Injectable L carnitine and injectable gluthatione are both a must while using GLP-1
Best episode in a while boys. Can’t put my finger on why? Variety of topics? A little less gear-geeking? A little more bunch chat?
Love the product boys… sensitive to upticks in quality / engagement. Today was one of those. 👌 keep going!!
It's great but they really need to improve the background
It's better because they did not spend 3 hours on the bloody Enve Melee
Thanks for that 👌🏼
DIY aero testing for helmet aerodynamics: grow a mullet and let it hang out the back of the helmet. Mullet flaps around in the wind = separated, turbulent flow=drag. Mullet stay attached to upper neck or even shoulders (mullet size dependent), flow is not separated and you are aero. Guaranteed to "see aero" using this technique
If you can't grow hair maybe a selection of mullet wigs
I’ve use weight loss drug started at 118kg too heavy to ride, 5 months later lost 30kg and back on the bike, no side affects, was doing indoor training on the turbo all at low intensity. It’s given back my life and set me free from food.
Wow, well done!
Interesting that you took at easy on the turbo.
Played the long game - smart move.
Well done 👏
Ozempic is terrible for hard riding. Tried it. Maybe will work if you do it off season and only do Z1. Forget Z2 even.
118kg isn't too heavy to ride..
Yeah but did you try to train hard while ON the drug? You did it after the weight loss.
Thanks for covering Ozempic. As an overweight cyclist, I’ve been both tempted and nervous by it.
Nobody gonna talk about that Chris is sitting there with a hydration pack? 😂
Getting used to it I guess ? But yeah that's weird
Yeah wtf was that?? Not even saying why?
25 minutes in Chris says he’s excited about gravel that’s why he’s wearing the hydro pack….
You got to stay hydrated. 🫢
Its more aero than having a water bottle on the table
Loved the guests on today. TOS The 4th Grand Tour😊
Glad you enjoyed it
Hey there. I'm a little late to the party but I figured I'd jump in and give some info about my article on Velo. Some of this is in the article, a few things aren't. First lets talk position. You are right about zone 2 and an aero position. I can hold a pretty good aero position and it's something I practice often. I didn't expect to have issues with flat forearms on the hoods but I wasn't able to keep it as static as I wanted. I rode about 85k the day of the test and it all had to be static. If I was pushing hard in a TT or something I'd have found the position that worked for me on the bike I was using and held it for a relatively short amount of time. Small movements wouldn't be something I'd worry too much about.
The reality of the test meant that didn't work. Still, I took a position closer to Van Der Poel than Tom. For one thing you can see a massive stack of spacers on his bike. I don't run spacers so already I'm much lower. I also had my arms in a deeper bend than Tom. I wasn't on the drops though as I didn't think I could keep it consistent enough. It still wasn't as aero as I'd have liked but it is what it is. Also my goal was to find out, in the real world the way people actually ride, what were the differences in terms of helmets.
To that end the original design of the "experiment" (I do cover this in the article) was to use the POC Procen Air and the Lazer Z1 as control helmets. The Procen Air should have been faster and I wanted to know how much. The Z1 should have been slower and I wanted to know how much. Instead what I found was that there wasn't much difference between most of the helmets, including the Z1.
To me that leaves this conclusion: If you want a fast aero helmet in the scope of a "regular" helmet then get the Specialized Evade III. It's free watts and I have no idea what you guys are talking about when saying it's somehow different than other road helmets. It looks like an aero road helmet and it's faster. On the other hand, for most people walking into a shop to buy an all-around helmet I'd say what I found is that you either pick the Evade of it doesn't matter. Choose vented, choose aero, choose what looks pretty… whatever.
You are asking a reasonable question about what the results would have looked like in an aero position though. Maybe the Ballista does a little better when tucked? Or maybe it doesn't and most people buying it aren't going to use it while staying deeply tucked all the time anyway. Generally I start to wonder what the point is.
The Procen Air is a "road helmet" that's faster than any other so if you really want speed, that's it. I've worn it for 160k without an issue. Just stay moving. If we pretend that the Specialized doesn't exist, in what situation do you need a regular road aero helmet where you will also be super disciplined about position. Now why wouldn't you wear the POC in that situation? Or you could just buy a Specialized Evade since that one is faster even in a less aero position.
I think the real question ends up being is there a helmet that's faster than the Evade when in an aero position but is otherwise slower? I don't know the answer to that but it's intriguing. My guess is none of the helmets I tested is going to make up a massive gulf from up a bit upright to deeply tucked. That's a guess though.
I'm for the helmet swap at the feed zone, if you're stuck solo, use the aero advantage. if you're in a pack, aero is barely going to matter and go with comfy/cooling factor, it will matter more to keep you regulated vs pack riding airflow.
I have no idea how this channel doesn't have 100k subs easily, I seriously love the long show format (2 hour watcher here baby, keep them coming!) vs the shorts, my attention span doesn't even mind it. You've replaced my music listening during mobility work time.
Thanks for the comment man. I think I will run the normal helmet, it’s looking like most of the race will be in a group. As for the subs … we are working on it, I think it’s just a matter of sticking with it.
56:14: The Dare VA-AFO was mainly designed by Uno-X's performance engineer Casper von Folsach with help from Swiss Side, it's not unthinkable that he's also had input on the design for the new Ridley, thus explaining why there are a number of similarities in the designs.
Chris! Will in Fresno here. I'm in week five of Ozempic. Had gastric sleeve in 2019 lost 100 pounds, started gaining it back and even eating 1300 calories a day and riding 10-12 hours a week I couldn't lose any weight. They tried me on a bunch of other drugs before we got here. We did so because I was 5'6" 200 pounds when I should have been 150. Plus my blood pressure has been high. Did a CX race three days after my first injection. After a single lap I had zero strength. I had nothing to fuel me. My power dropped by more than half. Finished and chundered all over. My issue is that because of my tiny stomach I was only eating 1300 calories and now my brain is telling me I'm full and I'm eating less. I'm eating more times in order to get the calories without being blocked by my Ozempic brain. So far I've solved the problem by eating a Beta Fuel every 20 mins. Next CX race is in a week and a half, so we shall see.
Cheers for that insight Will!
I'm a type 2 diabetic. The symptoms Daniel is describing is exactly why i was told ozempic wasn't for me. Metformin and insulin injections works great. I control intake of carbs when not cycling and eat more on the bike. Actually im off all medication because my HbA1c was 30. Cycling is great for managing type 2 diabetes.
Also a T2 and just got off a two-week rest with no bike and little cardio. Such a wild experience than the past year - sugars were higher for longer.
Well done, that’s great
" . . . Actually I'm off all medication because my HbA1c was 30. Cycling is great for managing type 2 diabetes." --->> I looked the entire Internet hoping to see a comment like THIS! Thanks!
I can imagine what triathlons can do for type II people!
This is very good chat about Ozempic. I am sure many cyclists are considering these drugs and they clearly are not good for hardcore endurance athletes.
I wonder, would you feel equally shit on the bike if you were doing any other diet that maintained a 1000+ calorie deficit every day?
T2 cyclist as well. My blood sugar drops always when I ride. I have to carefully intake carbs prior to and during the ride, but not carry too many carbs into post ride so that I don’t have an excess. Timing meds is helpful to not peak or bonk from high or low sugar levels. Definitely a strategic process, but not complicated. Just have to be mindful. I am currently waiting for approval of qualification for a glucose monitor for full-time monitoring. It should be a good experiment to help me stay conscious of my sugar levels/intake/rate of consumption.
Really liked the low cadence training chat on this episode, planning to watch it again and make some more notes. Always interested to hear Jessie's insights into training 👍
The last 12 weeks or so I've done my first ever attempt at training around zones, doing plenty of zone 2 and trying to incorporate VO2max and threshold 1-3 times per week. I have included a few low cadence/SFR sessions but I did go too high on the cadence and power the first couple of times ~60rpm @ ~115% of FTP.
Last week I tried 4 × 8 minutes, ~55rpm @ 95% - 100% of FTP and had the DOMS next day as if I'd done a weights training session.
I reckon I need to get weight training again (easier said than done with back and chronic pain) and do more threshold, VO2max when I can. After 12 weeks my FTP has declined slightly rather than improved, but I can do slightly higher zone 2 for _much_ longer now.
Trek Balista gen 2 is the quietest helmet I've ever worn. The air makes no noise going around it and theu the vents. Gen 3 is supposedly more aero, still quieter than the Evade.
Not amongst the tested, but I'm pleased with the Ekoi ar14. solid price point, light, surprisingly cool, fun magnetic clasp, and mesh straps. I think four teams are currently using it, so probably sees a decent amount of wind tunnel time.
No Chris. You can not feel aero. No 21 flaping in the wind all race long😁
The fact that you don't talk about the leaked Wahoo Element Ace photos tells me, that there might be a unit with Chris and some sort of NDA. So can we except a review right after the release on Dec. 3rd? I'm really interested
Pretty sure the new coros watch was on display as well
This guy's experience is interesting. I started tirzepatide (similar glp-1 drug to ozempic / semaglutide) about a week ago and haven't had the same experience on the bike. Granted, I'm not trying to do high intensity workouts while in a caloric deficit. But fueled zone 2 riding feels totally fine to me so far. Yeah, Jesse is totally right, the dude was just in a HUGE calorie hole and the drug kinda prevents feeling that. Also -- this is my off-season; probably a better time for it for competitive athletes than in-season. Also, if it matters -- my FTP isn't as high as the guest's (320ish) but maybe peaked around 295 this season. Not untrained. My guess is he was just on a higher dose than necessary -- he could run a lower dose, feel more comfortable fueling on the bike, and lose weight more slowly.
Had a patient female coming in the ER with panic attack and stomach aches after taking ozempic injection once over the counter without a doctor.
Looked really bad. Definitely should only be giving with doctor’s approval and a doctor looking over it.
Ozempic in Australia is prescriber only - and very difficult to get hold of.
@@katiepaulgregory8597 Very difficult if you are a regular Joey, but fitness crowd use it like candy. They just use private consultants to obtain a prescription.
Started taking Semaglutide (Rybelsus) in June and then moved to tirzepatide (mounjaro) after 2 months. Started at 17st 8lb and now 14st 1lb total drop at moment 23kg
I do quite a bit of road and gravel riding throughout the summer and had a particularly bad experience out on my own on a country ride. As this medication dehydrates you and also suppresses appetite and the amount you can eat it’s really dangerous combination. I suffered horrendous cramps and passed out a couple of times luckily I was able to get myself to a main road and get picked up by my wife.
I now have to stop taking them week before a big ride, but although had a great weight loss there is a clear loss of muscle. None of this info is shared with you when getting the medication. I’m sure it’s ok for people just going to gym and doing short sessions but if you plan on endurance riding or anything longer than 30/40 miles then it’s probably a no go.
Everything he mentions in his account on the video is true. It’s the weirdest experience and does work for quick weight loss and it does change your eating habits. The affect it has on your sugar levels is strange as well because as it tries to combat your insulin levels in my experience I then craved sugar. This is a problem if you then crave chocolate and sweets and then are full on that! Then try and work out on a belly full of sugar. It’s not ideal. You need to force yourself to eat the right things still when you are on them.
Only my experience anyway, other people may be different.
Great video topic BTW and about time someone raised this topic before someone gets hurt 👍
I have never seen someone use stone as a weight unit in real life. Kudos!
@ I identify as Neanderthal.
I’m on Tirzepatide I don’t feel bad on the bike but I’m not building. I am supplementing high grade protein shakes with lower carbs. I’m similar body size as your guest. I’m loosing similar weight. Question is what’s in our modern food or water that suppresses the release of these “ I’m full hormones”?
I personally use the smith ignite. Super super comfortable. Middle of the road aero but overall comfort is best I have ever had in a helmet. And it has MIPS :)
haven't seen that one
In NSW it's now legal to import, sell and wear helmets that meet a number of standards other than the Australian standard. The federal government changed the rules for the supply of helmets in March, and the state government changed the road rules in July. No idea about other states.
AusCycling tech regs have changed without notifying the members - while this worthy a social media post in my view... helmets with various safety certificates are now okay. US, CAN, EU, and AU/NZ from memory.
@@Gabrielle4870I had no idea this was the case. Thanks for that.
@ChrisMillerCycling I'd double check with AusCycling before mentioning on air, but this is the 2024 General Tech Reg I think applies as i can't find anything in the Road Regs that states otherwise:
1.03.05 All riders are required to wear a helmet meeting AS2063/NZ 2063 or equivalent. Helmets must have a manufacturers mark stating its compliance with the Standard. Helmets may be inspected at any time by a Commissaire.The following are also accepted as an international equivalent to the Australian/New Zealand Standard 2063:● NSI Z90.4● Snell "B" or "N" series● ASTM F1447● Canadian CAN/CSAD113.2M● U.S. CPSC standard for bicycle helmets● European CEN standard for bicycle helmets (EN1078)Other international standards may be added from time to time however if not explicitly listed above or in any supplementary regulations the helmet is not permitted for use.
The NERO Show!! THE only cycling podcast to treat diabetes but also not claim to treat diabetes. Everyone lather on your most AERO chamois cream, it’s time for the show!!🎉
@AlexDowsettOfficial has the most interesting wind tunnel testing of helmets, and his insights pretty much confirm that all these aero tests all very low value information. The testing is only of value to the individual on the bike in their position for the test.
Alex talks about shrugging and not shrugging in the videos as well, again it's specific to the individual whether it's worth doing.
I think track cycling confirms it as well, national teams at the Olympics were fielding riders with helmets from multiple different brands. Free from the shackles of sponsorship, each rider wears the helmet best suited to them.
You'd probably have to test each helmet with hundreds of combinations of riders and positions before you establish a pattern of which are fastest or slowest in general, but even then the information would still be of limited usefulness to buyers because you'd still need your own wind tunnel time and optimisation testing to find the right helmet and position.
on the low cadence section. Most crank arms are too long for most riders, especially women. This makes having that higher cadence harder.
wham bam thank ya ma’am, it’s dan van der laan. Best Name Ever
Regarding faster cadence, do some rides with a rule being you can only use the small front chain ring. We used to do team rides with that rule.
I have seen people do this, but personally think it is ineffective (and frustrates cagers as you are going 12mph) as the moment you switch to the big gear and push proper torque you default to self-selecting in the end anyway. In my case it was just riding a lot always easing off the gear a notch to allow faster cadence, but took me years to internalise it to a point am just going for 90-100 rpm instinctively.
Once upon a time I raced in a 60 odd rider field in a regional race. I rolled in at the back of the break in fifth and hadn't used the big chainring.
Very interesting discussion on Ozempic. Useful for us heavy riders.
Glad it was helpful!
I am unable to find any studies of continuous glucose monitoring during exercise while taking glp-1 receptor drugs. I think that would be an interesting study for an exercise physiologist. If continuous ketone monitoring were available, that would add to the data. I am not sure that a sensor for the latter is yet commercially available.
Guy is losing 1 kilo a week and feels terrible on the bike? Wow how shocking
I did it when I was dropping from 240 pounds to 140. I felt fine until I just got too low on the weight for my height
If he feels terrible even after downing some carbs, then it's definitely more than a simple deficit issue.
I’ve tried to train through ozempic and had a similar experience. I just don’t seem to be able to utilize carbs the same way. FTP down 20 watts (330-310)
@@DMurdock It takes at least several hours to fill up the muscles with glycogen. Just eating some carbs right before or during the workout won't help if your energy stores are already low from a huge deficit.
@tristanm8250 he did mention loading up on carbs the night before though
But hey I must give props to Chris and Jessie for a great topic for an interview.
I feel the line “it changed my relationship to food” is more of a mental thing attached to the weight loss rather than the drug itself. Probably from a massive calorie deficit, simply due to not eating much. Was there any tracking of intake during this period? IMO, the mental state would come from having seen the gains you made weight loss wise.
As a person who was miles overweight as a late teenager (like 125kg), and now a cyclist in my mid to late 40’s at 77kg, it takes a massive mental attitude shift toward food. Yes, you don’t need those biscuits.
It's different to that. Like I tried to explain in the video. I have had weight loss like this before. And even before going on the drug I had lost a decent amount of weight. The difference is the hunger all the time and the food cravings. They change so drastically with ozempic. Weight loss itself didn't change that.
Texas here. Biscuits and gravy! Mmmmmm!!!
@@Dvlnerocoach I hear you Dan. Weight loss is a difficult one. Even for me, mid to high 70s is not natural for me, and I have to work really hard to maintain that. Whilst I can’t vouch for the drug assisted weight loss, I just know that with my experience of weight loss over the years, it takes a total change of many things in your life. Exercise, sleep patterns, food intake (what and when). And trying to avoid those stupid calories that are unnecessary is very helpful. That’s where I’m coming from, when I say it’s a mental choice. Even though they are tasty. It’s not easy. I’ve found that I take enjoyment in other types of food now.
It’s good that you’ve been able to keep the weight off though. Keep it up mate.
Using mounjaro at the moment, it’s genuinely remarkable how the “food noise” is removed.
It’s something I’ve always had, the compulsion to eat, the ability to eat enormous amounts, no off switch. I’ve been fit, fat, thin, muscular, and it’s always been there.
With this drug it’s just… gone. Only a couple weeks in on the lowest dose so will see how things go, but it’s not “a mental thing attached to the weight loss”. It’s different, genuinely, and I felt it right away from the day after first injection.
This family of drugs has been shown to have positive effects for other addictions including alcohol and opioids. It's a developing field of research.
Personally I would rather go with the Virginia Tech helmet safety ratings to choose the best helmet, but with an eye on looks and aero
There have been studies showing Ozempic can lower testosterone levels which could potentially account for the level of sluggishness and difficulty riding, particularly coupled with the other physiological factors you guys covered.
It's a GLP-1 inhibitor which means you'll almost certainly regain the weight if you go off and metabolic adaptation starts.
How long after do you think this will happen?
Thanks, I did wonder.
@ChrisMillerCycling what do you think about the Basso Astra? I think its a beautiful bike. Would be interesting to see you talk about bikes that you generally regarding as nice geometries/ tube shapes in contrast to aero specs etc. and/or can you find a middleground between looks and aero?
We did discuss it a bit a few weeks ago, but happy to have another look
The timed segment format is taken from enduro mountain biking, often explicitly so (e.g., events with names like “gravelduro”).
1:00:42 the Ridley Kanzo gravel bike was an open mould frame rebadged. Carbonda something from memory.
Meanwhile Pogi crushes as his hair sticks out the helmet vents
I own the prevail 2, prevail 3 and evade 3. I bought the prevail 3 first and then fomo kicked in and got the evade 3. In terms of air cooling the prevail 3 is godlike. The evade is pretty close to cooling when compared to prevail 2 however if you turn your head sideways it definitely doesn't let the same amount of crosswind. IMO You can use the evade for all seasons. I haven't tested them aero wise, I mostly use evade unless I don't want to look like a total try hard on a more casual ride.
I'm a type 1 diabetic and went out on a 100km ride yesterday afternoon. I took a correction dose as my bsl was up around 12mmol/L I had 240g of carbs roughly over a mostly zone 2 ride taking in around 14g or carbs every 15-20mins. My BSL for the entire ride barely crept over 4mmol/L and for the most part I felt fine. I will say that I tend to run Low a lot of the time and my body has adapted to being able to function with low blood sugar. I don't get the typical Hypoglycaemic feeling anymore. Even with 500ml of cola roughly half way in to the ride I never got a sugar spike. I'd be very interested to learn more about BSL and exactly how it affects performance.
I agree on the low cadence training. It's probably helped me to increase my threshold by a further 5-10% simply because the muscular fatigue doesn't creep in as fast (anecdotally). My sprint is still shit, but I just don't feel like I burn out as fast.
Chris, good luck back in Victoria!
I want to know what you think of the Aspero (-5?) when your widest wheels are wearing the widest road tyres you have; it will clear a 40mm tyre/rim width.
Will do a full chat next week on the setup, if Jesse lets me.
@@ChrisMillerCycling Let's hope that CM can arrange that on CM Cycling. 🙃
Jesse's thoughts on many tech topics adds a nicely alternate view, though, too!
Could 38mm wide GP6000s on 40mm wide (105 rule) rims make an Aspero a road rocket, or is there a tyre too wide?
I just got a Decathlon FCR, I look forward to trying it.
Best Nero episode OAT
I was just prescribed Zepbound by my endocrinologist after spending the last ~3 years trying and failing to lose weight I put on after getting hit head on by a car and having to deal with breaking most my right side, and the PTSD that came with getting back on the bike. Along the way we discovered I have Hashimotos disease (a condition where your immune system decides it wants to kill your thyroid, which modulates metabolism) and despite being on the bike consistently 3-5 times a week for the last six months, and consistently improving fitness, weight just isn’t moving how we would expect it to, likely because of the situation with my thyroid. (I’m happy to outline my diet on/off the bike if someone is really that convinced I’m just a gluttonous piece of shit) All that said, I’m nervous to take it because although my weight is higher than I would like, I’m not obese, and I genuinely love riding as it’s where most of my social life takes place. If taking it solves for weight, but destroys my fitness and I can’t enjoyably ride with friends, it’s not a solution for me. If it allows me to drop to a weight I’m comfortable and healthy in my own skin at again, and I’m just a bit sluggish while on it, that’s acceptable as I’m not planning to be on it for my whole life.
Happy to field anyone’s outrage and thoughts.
I’m curious, have you been prescribed thyroxine for your Hashimotos? Did your weight stabilise after getting your thyroid level under control? My history is the opposite, with Graves’ disease which became v difficult to control after a bout of covid. I ended up getting a thyroidectomy and taking replacement thyroxine. It’s meant I’m now at a healthy weight with lean muscle mass, whereas before my body was eating itself due to rampant metabolism.
@@sharonmoller7414Sorry, I just realized that I forgot to reply to you. I haven’t been prescribed thyroxine yet because my TSH is within range. However based on my blood work for the last two years, it’s falling, while my ANTI-TPO antibodies are steadily increasing. I’m not at a point where I really have any big issues, and my thyroid ultrasound came back “irregular” so we’re trying to take things slow as to not possibly upset things and accelerate an unbalancing. I have however in the last week learned that thyroxine may be the way to go, as apparently relatively small changes in TSH values can have large impact on some individuals, while others may never notice a difference.
I feel like I’m stuck in this strange limbo where I genuinely don’t feel right, but I’m not fat or sick enough for anyone to take me seriously. However when I look at my eating, exercise and sleep habits vs many others in my life, I should look like I just got out of an internment camp, or they should be as big as a house.
Road fondos with timed segments extract everything from a competitive rider and I much prefer those over fondos without them because segments define the race whereas other fondos end up being a flag-to-flag race but not really a race. Better a fondo with some timed climbs and such than otherwise, at the end you know where you stand when you see your segment results and cumulative total and class placement.
Guess what advert popped up in the middle of the Ozempic chat? Lindt Chocolate!
HAHAHAHA
So on the Manjaro I started out at 275. I am now down to 213. I didn't seem to have the side effects. Maybe that he had. I don't feel bad on it. I feel great because I'm off of all that insulin. I think that's the big thing. So my insulin resistance has went down and like I said I was taking over 200 units of insulin a day. They said I'd be on insulin the rest of my life Aunt. I'm now off of all my insulin other than the Manjaro. I'm eating healthy and I'm cycling three to four times a week I've done this in 8 month.
I'm taking Manjaro I'm taking for diabetes. It wasn't my intent to lose weight but I've lost over 60 lb with the cycling and the Manjaro and I plan on keeping it off with the cycling. I'm still taking it. I'm off of all my insulin though. I was taking over 200 units of insulin when I first started. I could barely ride 2 mi. I'm now up to 20 miles at a time and I plan on getting to 50
Specialized Evade 3 I find super ventilated. Perfect in summer. But in winter in the UK front of my head gets very cold!
Thanks for sharing!
Tour of Margaret River, over 800 riders, timed segments.. and as Jessie mentions a team effort. Get on it!
That’s another one of these crazy popular local events that no one outside the area has ever heard of. Be great if they tried to get some “easterners” over for it.
@ChrisMillerCycling I hear ya. I think we may have been the only team from the east. Over 800 participants! As a Fondo rider I think you'd love it and it could be great to assemble a Nero team to ride it for old times' sake? No AusCycling team rego fees just the event rego to register and ride as a team.
In my experience, forcing myself to cycle in a harder gear (which is generally lower cadence) did give me strength gains on the thr bike. I felt this is because your legs get used to the torque and power needed to push that gear. Have no data on it but that was my impression
25:16 Jesse Coyle “can I have a suck” 😂😂😂😂😂
Probably should have listened to this podcast before I started ozempic
Training peaks says 3x20 SST today ...
Hope it went better than mine did.
Let us know how you get on
Really informative but did Daniel mention the dose he was on? Was it the standard first month amount of 0.25 mg injected once weekly or a higher dose like 1-2mg?
0.25mg is what I did.
Giro eclipse is a super comfy and low profile helmet. (My head is at the end of the medium size range). My one slightly annoyed complaint is that the sweat absorption is pretty bad. There are not nearly enough sweat pads in there. I am a heavy sweater but my slop smith helmet keeps the sweat out of my eyes better.
Well I’m actually considering this jab
Myself that amount of weight loss in 3 weeks is crazy!
Nice one lads!
Appreciate it!
Actually did my first low cadence drill today, 4x10 minutes up a climb at between 40-60rpm. Reason, it’s on the peaks training program. Gotta say, I’m trashed now! Wonder if it would be better just to do hill repeats at a higher intensity/power, and not worry about cadence work?
I think the difference between him and I is that I'm taking it for diabetes. The plus is I lost weight but I felt better riding on it than I did before I took it. But the difference is probably also that I dropped all the insulin and so this was a major plus for me
I can completely relate to this. I am currently on Wegovy (Ozempic but for weight loss) . This drug makes you feel full. No more second helpings of food for me (which is good). Prior tp Wegovy, I would constantly be hungry even within 2 hours of breakfast or lunch. Regarding riding, let me tell you. Even endurance rides feel hard. Sweet spot workouts feel doubly hard. Forget doing Threshold or VO2 Max workouts. Because of the low calories, I feel listless. This medicine robs you of motivation. I have skipped so many workouts. Perhaps due to the low calories. No motivation to ride. Post workout recovery is shit. I have nothing to back this up but I think, some metabolic pathway pertaining carbohydrate metamolism is being hindered. Haven't lost a lot of weight. I am losing weight slowly but not quickly. I am thinking of quitting. I think this is a perfect druf for people who don't do endurance activity like biking and running. But then also thinking to tough it out now that it is off season and I can afford to do mostly zone 2 rides.
As someone with an egg shaped head, Id say the most important part of a helmet is, does it fit (the inside)? If it hurts your melon, who cares about the aero gains? Also, i completely agree with Chris, black helmets make people disappear. Not safe. I've experienced this first hand as a motorist. It's strange.
37:40 Van Rysel FCR, no question. Quarter of the price of S-Works Evade, while performance the same. There are really better places to spend your money on than helmet (as long as it protects your head ofc)
Fun fact: Some top trail runners (and coaches) believe in low cadence bike cross training to help with running climbing performance.
Ozempic mimics a molecule called GLP-1 whose main physiological action is to create satiety at the brain level so if you take it, you'll be less hungry and be in a caloric deficit. That's what happened for Dylan when he says he was less hungry and felt terrible on the bike as his glycogen stores may be depleted or rather reduced because of a reduced caloric intake, even with fueling during session.
Yes to this and it is essentially fasted training. Without the glycogen storage your body grabs from your fat stores which is arguably way less efficient to turn into energy for most people. He’s basically riding in keto which is a horrible feeling and that’s coming from someone who’s trained on keto. It’s fine for Z1 riding and fat loss but not for gains as it’s pretty hard to push power even in zone 2
Not sure if it made the cut but I mentioned I have lost weight at this speed before and did not feel like this. This was very different to that. While I can't say the calorie deficit wasn't a factor (as it would be part of it) there is definitely more happening.
@@Dvlnerocoach My point was that the semaglutide inhibited your satiety so strongly that your carbohydrate intake may be insufficient to replenish your glycogen stores and be used as a fuel by your other organs at the same time. Maybe it increased your caloric deficit but to me you were just depleted and not able to recover because the carbohydrates you ate was either used during exercise or for basal energy expenditure.
From a muscle point of view, glycolysis may be reduced which triggers specific feedbacks typical to muscle fatigue when you try to increase exercice intensity. And as you are probably not adapted to ketosis (like the majority of people), fatty acid and ketones oxidation were not enough to meet the ATP demands of the muscle.
Regarding the hypothesis with glucagon, I do not agree with it because:
- muscle do not have glucagon receptor and the gycogen breakdown effect is epinephrin dependant for the skeletal muscle. And Epinephrin release from the surrenal gland can happen without glucagon release.
- muscle has only GLUT-4 as glucose transporter which only make glucose enter the muscle. He can't release glucose in the bloodstream (only the liver can do that) and its main action to glucose homeostasis is to remove glucose from the bloodstream under insulin action (that's why aerobic exercise is prescribed to T2D patients).
Ozempic is for people with diabetes only as it has a blood sugar regulation effect, a normal healthy person risks getting low blood suger levels by taking Ozempic. If you want to misuse medication to achieve an unnecessary weight loss, you should use the Wegovy variant, not Ozempic. I think this video raises a few serious questions:
How can a doctor even consider prescribing diabetes medication to a healthy person, or has he consulted a doctor at all, or just bought it on the black market online?
How can misuse of this type of medication to achieve a performance-enhancing effect not be considered doping?
(Jan Ullrich would definitely have used it if he had the opportunity.)"
It’s easy to get online now via the hundred different compounding pharmacies.
Ozempic and Wegovy are the same compound, the difference is the max dosage available but dosage is chosen based on individual tolerability. The hypoglycaemic episodes are not common
You have no idea if Dan’s doctor rationalised the use of Ozempic based on whether he was insulin resistant with a raised HBA1C…. Don’t be so quick to highlight the ethical considerations when the story was about how he felt training and the effect on training…
Ozempic in Australia is a controlled drug - it’s prescriber only and even through a weight loss company like Juniper a GP is prescribing it….
My feeling is that my performance drops significantly while on the drug. I have wondered if it was purely lack of glyc or there was something else. Got a bit smarter around carbing the night before and during (switched from zero cal electrolyte to staminade, more gels etc). Got heaps better, but I'm convinced there is something else in it.
ANYTHING but eat healthy!!! 😂😂😂❤
Ozempic etc = metabolic rebound HARD in the post.
If bro did my protocols he would sit 60-65kg and MOTOR!
Can you use the wind noise you hear on bike while going fast - as a measure - how arrow your head-position is?
The giro eclipse has a terrible sweat catcher. Too thick, once it reaches saturation it drips directly onto your glasses. Great in winter though. Ventilation effect is similar to the Aries even in summer. I use the sweat catcher from the Aries on the Eclipse in summer. The Eclipse is minimum 5km/h faster going downhill than the Aries. Can’t see aero, but I can hear it in a helmet, and the difference in how quiet the eclipse is compared to the Aries is incredible. Overall, fantastic helmet, let down only by the sweat catcher.
re: gravel being a bit of a manufactured fad -- theres definitely an argument for that, I think it depends on what you've got to ride.
In and around sydney its a bit of a pisstake, i use my gravel bike for commuting mostly just because its more comfortable.
Down in vic they've got a few more options, up in QLD got the BVRT which is a bit more compelling if you're local.
To avoid negative performance side affects from Ozempic. Elite level cyclists looking to shed 1-3 kg can simply micro dose for 4-5 days once a month on their recovery week. Requires some planning and periodisation in your training but it then allows the quality to keep on trucking 🤘🏻Let it be known that it does remove muscle, strength, bone density etc so it must be used very sparingly and in conjunction with gym
It causes fat gain later in the year via adaptive thermogenesis. I see it in people already. They get fat AF!
@ interesting… nothing is free in life 😉
I've fallen into a naturally uncomfortably high cadence, recently had a heart bypass so aerobic capacity is rubbish. I find myself sitting at 95 rpm and getting puffed long before I get tired legs or heart rate zones catch up. I have to think about sitting in that 80ish zone to get a decent ride in,
Is that a camera / setting / post production or just summer in Australia, because the boys are looking tan!!!
No doctor would recommend someone at 80kg to take ozempic 😅
2025 year of the aero bike!
Expensive helmets aren't rated highly for safety by a recent study; the best were actually two Specialized budget (MIPS) helmets.......Aero is fine on a closed road setting - otherwise I'd always go for safer option.
Yeah, you can’t take Ozempic and exercise at the same time. Been there done that. Also if you take it for a long time it can make you feel not only energyless but also distressed.
You also need to ramp up the doses. If you go hard from the get go you’ll be in bed being totally exhausted, with no appetite and unable to eat. Getting out of bed will feel like climbing a mountain.
If you’re going to use ozempic to loose weight then seperate the exercise from the ozempic usage and don’t do it at the same time
Chris, congrats on 8th @ Dirty Warrny; 4 mins ahead of the next bunch & just 16 sec behind your 'junior', Will Clarke. 👍
43:58 the test was about "don't bother yourself with an aero helmet because if you don't adopt a proper position they all are the same" 😂
I was curious about the Ozempic thing since I have more than a few Kgs to loose. Sounds to me like it isn't a quick fix that would be advisable for a competitive cyclist to pursue. Unfortunately, I probably need to have a more disciplined relationship with my food intake. No shortcuts!
Not talking about helmet price ? Id much rather lose 3 watts and saved almost 200$ in some instances..
Evade III is 300$ (on sale 200$ maybe?)
POC procen is 400$
giro eclipse > 180$
Van Rysel FCR retails for less 150$ and imo looks by far the best
The specialized Evade 3 seems to be on sale everywhere. Maybe a new one coming out?
I think you might be right.
What’s the bike stand behind you? Is it any good? Any worries about stability (with kids or pets bumping into it)?
Which watts are real with equipment in each of our individual cycling worlds?
Josh P from Silca introduced a lot of us to the Robert Chung method of determining our own real-world performance measurements, and therefore be able to check our own results for any adjustments. I've not found a suitable course myself, so have not tried it.
Would love to talk to you guys about those NO.6 wheels in the background.
I don't know... the Utopia seems to have a tail to me too.
OMG. So much stuff here in USA is "segment racing" and IMO it sucks. I hate it. Not a real race IMO. I always just try to get it done. Overall time is my personal goal.
Weight loss and cycling is so toxic. To feel awful, look awful and generally force your body to cronically underperform in all elements except for when cycling on a bike, on an incline. I honestly dont get it.
I’m curious to know if Dan tracked RHR or HRV? When I was on Saxenda my RHR was around 75 when my avg RHR is 44.
No I didn't track it but I have used a whoop before and my resting hr was consistently very low when training so not much room for it to drop.
The orange helmet on the first guy is not the same helmet that MvP is wearing.
He using GLP1 to essentially chock-diet. Loosing a kilo a week means being on a 1000-1500 kcal-deficit a day depending on BMR. That means loosing not only fat but also likely muscle mass. No available glycogen - must likely why felt horrible on the bike. For a sustainable healthy weight loss one should be around 200-300 kcal/day. This has been done completely wrong imo.
Depends on your body and overall size to begin with, but there’s no reason to assume you’re losing muscle if you’re fuelling around workouts within that deficit, and eating enough protein.
Fast weight loss means muscle and fat, no matter how much protein.
Your body is always gonna catabolize muscle along with fat. Muscle takes a lot longer to convert to energy, so if the body burns through all the fat first, and is stuck with a bunch of muscle and no fat or carbs it will just crap out ie you die. The body's goal is to keep you alive, not to satisfy your vanity or make you 2% faster at a mile effort.
Now on my diet I eat a lot of protein. I'm not eating as much. I'm probably eating half of what I used to eat which is great on my rides. I take a mixture of nuts and I also take like fruit bars for fast carby energy. So far this seems to work for me. I ain't got this figured out. It's learn as I go
What's your deadlift PB Chris Miller? And congrats 👏
semaglutide is inferior by faaaar in comparison to tirzepatide or retatrutide a s long as we are talking aerobic performance. Any endurance athlete using any of these three must include some sort of a mitochondrial support stack to the mix since the mitohondria will get overwhelmed by all the ffa that will be released as a consequence. Next thing is taking care of the increased production of free radicals from the oxidative stress.
Been there done that...ozempic is garbage in comparison to mounjaro. Injectable L carnitine and injectable gluthatione are both a must while using GLP-1
I've just lost a friend to that jab.
?!? Side effects??? Sorry for your lost
What do you mean exactly? Death isn't one of the side effects.
Please explain
Ballista all day not as hot as you would think w the big vent and airflow