71+ year old FUD here. Another educational and entertaining video! I don’t need a 7mm-08 because I already have a 7x57 Mauser built on a mid length Kar ‘98 Mauser action that hand loaded I can make do anything a 7mm-08 will do because of the larger case capacity of the 7x57 and the ability to take full advantage of that case capacity by seating the bullet farther out in that longer action. With that said I still have a 7mm-08 on my wish list. In particular a Weatherby Vanguard Sporter with the nice walnut stock. I already have two 308 Winchesters. Custom ‘98 Mauser and Savage Model 99F. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
My factory Barnes 120 gr. Vor-Tx ammo is going 2980 out of my 22” x-bolt. I just can’t say enough about that round. It’s incredible for what it is and nothing ever walks including my moose this year. I agree with you about Barnes. Awesome stuff.
Harvested my elk this year with the 7mm-08 and 150 ballistic tips, took 2 steps and tipped over , double lung shot. Ive Harvested dall sheep, yukon moose , barren ground caribou and deer with this cartridge and it works amazing. I may not continue using the nosler ballistic tip for elk and the bigger game but it did work great i just like a bullet to stay together somewhat haha , the bullet that downed my elk was an empty mangked jacket stuck on the far side hide but holy smokes were the lungs mangled so cant complain
@@Justwannabefree Salute! Congratulations brother. That is outstanding. My son used 165/168 Nosler Ballistic Tip on a nice 3.5 year old buck a couple years ago on a high shoulder shot inside of 100 yards. It destroyed everything and didn't exit either. When we were processing the meat we were finding lead & jacket frags in a lot of good meat. So we have decided not to use them hunting any longer. Great accuracy but tough on meat.
Hey thank you for the video!!! I enjoyed your perspective…facts. I’ve been working with 120TTSX in 708 and 130TTSX IN .308. These fierce little bullets go fast and have been quite accurate. I appreciate your guidance on this. Wanted to mention…for those who may follow suit. For me… in a 20” barrel model 700, 7mm08 the “Barnes” max load of cfe223 was a bit over pressure. So I had to back down to 45gr of cfe223. However…..still running 2973fps. Very pleased with this out of my light, handy rifle.
Fantastic video. This is the type of stuff that actually helps folks make decisions. I especially liked how you showed cartridge size differences. The edge, to me, goes to the 7mm-08. Simply because it gets the same job done with Less Recoil. Thats a big deal.
My favorite cartridge is the 7mm-08 Remington.. however.. the cartridge necked up to 358 Winchester serves me well! The 358 Winchester is a reloaders cartridge of course.. I actually started reloading due to loving this cartridge! I also have a 308 Winchester! The entire family is awesome!!! I need to add a 243 Winchester.. I had one and traded it off 😮
It's interesting you like Barnes load data...So I for the first time bought some Barnes, in 6.5 PRC 127 LRX. I ran it through both my PRCs one with a 24 inch barrel and one with a 26 inch. The published velocity is 3010. Both rifles shot them in the 2800s. This was on a perfect 60 degree day at around 700 feet elevation. I bought the ammo from a guy who sold his PRC and the ammo was back online and I sold it all recently.
100% agree with you. I absolutely love the 708. Also do a coffee talk on the 338 federal. Everything you said about the 308 over the 708 is the same with the 338 Fed over the 308.
The 308win Ive mostly used is an old 16" Ruger scout rifle. Its a tough little guy and great with a supressor and lethal inside 100yd with the Hornady 190gr sub-sonic load and sounds like an airsoft rifle. I watched 30-06 John's UA-cam channel and his same rifle Hornady 220RN. Im working on this load now for distances inside 200yds and its pretty impressive. The final taskbis going to find a good cast powder coated bullet load for small game so I can have an grouse to grizzly solution.
Great video as always. I enjoy these alot, you always have good information. I would love to see a comparison(breakdown) of the 243win and the 6mm Remington. im betting most will be very very surprised at the numbers.
@@piratetrooper87 7mm-08 has a slight bit more capacity and because of the bigger caliber advantage would shoot the bullet faster. 140 in 6.5 will have a little better bc than 149 in 7mm.
I have been using a 12.5" shorty 308 in an AR10 platform, my past experience with 7mm-08 has me considering a custom upper build if I can find everything I need for a 7mm-08 chambered AR10, just beccause I want it.😁
…, same pressure. Within 400 there is no debate for hunting imho. But probably great to get into the 7s and way better for beginners and smaller framed shooters. So is the 7mm-08 the better 6.5 Creedmoor? 😁
Looking at ballistic data, the 7mm-08 outperforms 6.5 Creedmoor by every measure out to 400 yards or more. But so does .270 Winchester if you ignore recoil.
@ exactly. Let’s take an 140 Accubond as an example. The 7mm-08 has 100 fps on the Creedmoor plus the larger diameter. And the BC advantage of the 6.5 is basically nothing, 0.485 vs .509 And that’s not covering the advantage of the 7mm-08 being able to shoot way heavier projectiles
Mainly big game hunt with a 7mm wsm but looking to rebarrell a rem 700 243 into a 7mm08 or 308 for doe patrol on my farm. Leaning towards 7mm 08 just for the fact I already have 7mm bullets to reload but then again I already have a short action 7mm I can’t decide 🤷♂️
I have to argue with paul..1631. There is always a reason to purchase another caliber... addiction.. jk.. I have an addiction for buying, mostly rifles in different, I think, practical calibers. The only caliber that I have three different rifles is the 7mm-08. All the remaining rifles I have, I haven't even doubled up on... YET.!! Yep, I'm addicted 😊 BTW.. Thanks for the info.. you're always informative.
I have found the same thing that you have with Barnes data. They are on the high end but still safe. I also believe that Hodgdon is the same, safe but on the warm side. Some of my best loads have come from these two sources.
Yes they both recoil the same with the same weight bullet, but for bullets with the same BC or sectional density, the 7mm-08 will recoil less. Not a lot less but will be noticeable. Compare a 160 grain to a 180 grain and you'll notice the difference. This is especially important if you're using a lighter weight hunting rifle.
They are both great cartridges, my favorite hunting cartridge is 7mm-08 mainly because the rifle I have it in is fantastic. I always thought it would be cool if somebody necked down a 308 case and fit a 270 projectile in it....well the 7mm-08 is almost exactly that.
I've noticed that Lyman reloading manual has lower powder charges / velocities across the board in a lot of calibers. I've also noticed that cartridges like the Nosler cartridges and the 280 AI have really good velocities/higher powder charges in the Nosler reloading manual but lower in the Hornady manual. Also, the Hornady flagship cartridges like the PRC's and creedmoor's have elevated velocities, more so than those cartridges in the Nosler book. Part of it is promoting, I think, their own cartridges. I don't think marketing should take any part at all in reloading manual data. I think it should be unbiased across the board.
They are very close but for me... the 7mm-08 is better. I always say unless we are un a post- apocalyptic scenario, ill take the 7mm-08 every time. I have three 7mm-08s and one 308 that I haven't shot in years.
You said it yourself. At shorter hunting ranges they both will do the job. At longer ranges the 7mm-08 can pull ahead slightly and that's where you'll want the most performance. But there isn't much between them.
Would like a comparison between the oh-so popular 6.5 Creedmoor and the 7mm-08. I've seen a lot of 7mm-08 vs. .308. When a 6mm Creedmoor takes an elk at 862 yards, the right kind of projectile, put in the CNA and dumping it on the spot, one wonders why there's certain performance factors toppling one caliber over another. .243, .264, .284, .308....... The limitation isn't the projectile and cartridge, it's often the hunter and their platform. If 250 yards is the most people will ever deal with, what makes a 7mm-08 or 308 or 300 Win mag for that matter.... more versatile than a .30-30? It's interesting how much discussion and/or debate these matters create.
The 7mm-08 is a match to the 30/06 using comparable sectional density measurements. A 160 grain 7mm bullet has the same sectional density as a 180 grain 30 caliber bullet. The 7mm-08 pushes a 160 grain bullet from a 22 inch barrel the same velocity as a 180 grain bullet 30/06 from a 22 inch long barrel. Same velocity same sectional density means better performance from the 7mm-08 and less recoil.
When you post velocity numbers.... please use a micrometer and state your case-head expansion after each firing. Just ahead of the extractor groove. In other words, how many loadings are you getting(out of a specific brand of brass) before the primer pocket wont hold a primer. Means alot to people who handload...... might want to add your environmental conditions as well. I like 7mm-08 and love your channel btw
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The difference is so small it’s almost impossible to say one is better than the other. It would come down to more of what rifle it is I’m interested in. If I found one I liked in either caliber that’s the one I’m going with
The biggest difference. In the topic of variety, if you plan to hand load. It is mute and a tie. Do agree with a lot of what you say, the analysis is solid. Hand loading, id personally give the edge across the board to 7mm vs 30 cal. But that is me. Factory ammo, 308 wins 7mm08
I remember when the 7mm 08 came out, I think it was in the Remington model 7 carbine ?. I really couldn't see the advantage of it in the area I hunt which consists mostly of bush and a long shot is 150 yards in most cases. The local gun shop has stacks of 308 and if you're lucky some surplus 7.62 x 51 as well, whereas he might have 2 boxes of 7mm 08 on the shelf. As far as reloading there are twice as many bullets available in .30 caliber at my supplier and I can buy 147 grain fmj .308 bullets from Campro really cheap for plinking
I agree with everything you said but I still lean towards the 708 I have a very awesome Weatherby vanguard. As far as the big caliber Advantage I have a 338 Federal that shoots a 160 grain ttsx at 3100 ft per second
Excellent video, especially noting that it will not be exact comparison because of the different grain weights. Sometimes that is just unavoidable. I have heard 7-08 called .308 Lite. Being that it was a target round and might have been nominally used in heavier rifles, the advantage is that, with less muzzle flip, it is easier to stay on target and see bullet trace and misses and be able to make corrections. The advantage of .308 is the ubiquitousness of the cartridge. Any store is going to carry .308 in a few different loadings, mostly for hunters. The fastest .308 I have is a 1:10 twist in a medium bull barrel. Another one is 1:12 but just as accurate with 165 gr. Most times, it is cheaper to get the .308 primarily as a hunting rifle. Modern rifles, including budget rifles, have and prove 1 MOA accuracy on the first three shots, which is all you will need for hunting. If the third shot did not bring down the game, something is drastically wrong and the person needs to stop shooting and fix that. The 1:10 and 1:12 twist rates for .308 and the amount of free bore help the barrel to last for 1000s of rounds. Up to 5000 rds. Let's say a hunter has a few range trips a year. Let's call it 8 times a year. He shoots 30 rounds each time. 240 rounds per year. 5000 / 240 = 20 ish years. And actually, most hunting practice can and should be dry fire. Most times, I might shoot 20 rounds at a range visit with my 7 PRC. But I also have .308s. I have heard it said that you can shoot game with target ammo. I also tend to agree with Hornady in that a hunting round has a specific job. Even though a hunting round can fly 1000 yards, it's job is to bring down deer at the average hunting distances of 300 yards and closer, maybe 600 yards on elk on an open plain.
As a 'target' round, the 7-08 was developed for silhouette shooting to match the 7x57, while using.308 brass, because the .308 wouldn't reliably knock over the 500 metre ram target like the 7x57 would, and competitors found the extra weight and recoil of the 30-06 too tiring to shoot accurately towards the end of a long match.
Uh-oh, don't tell Ron Spomer you're hating on the 7mm-08😂 But in all seriousness, as a hunter, you are not going to know the difference. I hunt with a 7mm-08, and my buddy with .308. We have a hard time noticing a difference in recoil, comparatively, but I do think the 7mm-08 has the slight edge there. All I know is it has never let me down, and I am very comfortable with taking most any shot nature declares viable with my setup. 7mm-08 for me, but admittedly it's just my bias over the cartridge/rifle combo.
@@kristophersanchez3280 it’s not objectively more accurate. Neither one is. On penetration it would depend on which bullets you’re comparing. If the bullet is the same construction with the same sectional density, than it’s the same. I like both cartridges.
I prefer the 7mm-08 in a lighter weight hunting rifle due to recoil. For my hunting rifle in 308 I have a T/C Encore Pro Hunter with a 26 inch heavy barrel. The recoil feels the same to me. That’s with 140s in the 7mm and 150s in the 308 so it’s not exactly apples to apples. At 65 firearm weight starts to matter to us old funds 🥹.
Both are great. I made it easy on myself and bought one of each
@@W.Edwardovich good choice!
@@hopefulballistics Im new to this how many different powders are they?thanks
@ probably over 100 powders. However, only certain burn rates will apply to a specific cartridge/bore.
@@hopefulballistics Ok thank you👍
Me too
I own and really like BOTH! For deer hunting out to 300 yards, flip a coin. Like you, they are two of my favorite cartridges. Well done video sir!
@@Joe-lk6oc thank you!
Thanks. That Barnes load data is online and you are not kidding. That is some impressive velocities they are publishing.
@@hoffpbass yes indeed
Agreed. Well done. Both are excellent options.
@@guardianminifarm8005 true, thanks!
71+ year old FUD here. Another educational and entertaining video! I don’t need a 7mm-08 because I already have a 7x57 Mauser built on a mid length Kar ‘98 Mauser action that hand loaded I can make do anything a 7mm-08 will do because of the larger case capacity of the 7x57 and the ability to take full advantage of that case capacity by seating the bullet farther out in that longer action. With that said I still have a 7mm-08 on my wish list. In particular a Weatherby Vanguard Sporter with the nice walnut stock. I already have two 308 Winchesters. Custom ‘98 Mauser and Savage Model 99F. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
@@davewinter2688 awesome, thanks!
@@davewinter2688 Good stuff. Agree with assessment. Yes Sir on the Walnut Vanguard.
I have a Tikka T3x stainless as well in 7mm-08 and I love the results from Barnes Vor-tx 120 grain.
@@adamelam6385 right on!
7mm is the long range hunting king. I could get good distance hunting out here in Idaho w the 7mm08
And I reload so I could make the 7-08 sing
My factory Barnes 120 gr. Vor-Tx ammo is going 2980 out of my 22” x-bolt. I just can’t say enough about that round. It’s incredible for what it is and nothing ever walks including my moose this year. I agree with you about Barnes. Awesome stuff.
@@wasachevyguy thanks!
@ no problem! I love sitting on a Saturday morning with a good cup of coffee watching your videos. Awesome way to start a weekend.
@@wasachevyguy I appreciate that
I'm getting almost 3100fps out of my x bolt 7mm08 with the factory 120gr ttsx
I shoot the same load from my A'bolt! Kills like lightning!
Harvested my elk this year with the 7mm-08 and 150 ballistic tips, took 2 steps and tipped over , double lung shot. Ive Harvested dall sheep, yukon moose , barren ground caribou and deer with this cartridge and it works amazing. I may not continue using the nosler ballistic tip for elk and the bigger game but it did work great i just like a bullet to stay together somewhat haha , the bullet that downed my elk was an empty mangked jacket stuck on the far side hide but holy smokes were the lungs mangled so cant complain
@@Justwannabefree that’s great, thanks for sharing!
Between my wife and I we also own 5 rifles in 308 haha so 308 is very high on our list of favorites @hopefulballistics
@@Justwannabefree Salute! Congratulations brother. That is outstanding. My son used 165/168 Nosler Ballistic Tip on a nice 3.5 year old buck a couple years ago on a high shoulder shot inside of 100 yards. It destroyed everything and didn't exit either. When we were processing the meat we were finding lead & jacket frags in a lot of good meat. So we have decided not to use them hunting any longer. Great accuracy but tough on meat.
7mm-08 my pick
Hey thank you for the video!!! I enjoyed your perspective…facts.
I’ve been working with 120TTSX in 708 and 130TTSX IN .308.
These fierce little bullets go fast and have been quite accurate. I appreciate your guidance on this.
Wanted to mention…for those who may follow suit. For me… in a 20” barrel model 700, 7mm08 the “Barnes” max load of cfe223 was a bit over pressure. So I had to back down to 45gr of cfe223. However…..still running 2973fps. Very pleased with this out of my light, handy rifle.
@@milo555100 awesome, thanks
Fantastic video. This is the type of stuff that actually helps folks make decisions. I especially liked how you showed cartridge size differences.
The edge, to me, goes to the 7mm-08. Simply because it gets the same job done with Less Recoil. Thats a big deal.
@@PG_Living awesome, thanks!
My favorite cartridge is the 7mm-08 Remington.. however.. the cartridge necked up to 358 Winchester serves me well!
The 358 Winchester is a reloaders cartridge of course.. I actually started reloading due to loving this cartridge!
I also have a 308 Winchester!
The entire family is awesome!!!
I need to add a 243 Winchester.. I had one and traded it off 😮
@@blackie1of4 you are correct! Great family of cartridges.
@hopefulballistics I forgot to subscribe.. thanks for responding.. that reminded me to subscribe 😀
About 20 years ago, I had a 7mm-08 for about a minute....I couldn't get ammo for it. This was before online ammo sales were a thing....
@@tacticalmattfoley because of online, it’s much easier now.
I bought a model 70 featherweight in 7mm08,, and was given a BLR in .308
@@davepowell3293 2 nice rifles!
It's interesting you like Barnes load data...So I for the first time bought some Barnes, in 6.5 PRC 127 LRX. I ran it through both my PRCs one with a 24 inch barrel and one with a 26 inch. The published velocity is 3010. Both rifles shot them in the 2800s. This was on a perfect 60 degree day at around 700 feet elevation. I bought the ammo from a guy who sold his PRC and the ammo was back online and I sold it all recently.
So close in performance in real world shooting situations, you'd never know the difference.
Now let's compare them to the 260 Remington!!
Nothing wrong with the .260 but it appears to have been killed off by the 6.5 CM
@RobBremner yes and no. I think the fall of the 260 rem had more to do with the awesome advertising( sarcasm) and promoting that remington does.
100% agree with you. I absolutely love the 708. Also do a coffee talk on the 338 federal. Everything you said about the 308 over the 708 is the same with the 338 Fed over the 308.
@@Godfryness I need to do that
@@hopefulballistics yes this will be appreciate
@@hopefulballistics I'd love to see that, I'm seriously considering an ar10 in .338 federal.
Love the 338 fed!
The 338 federal is awesome!
It lays down the hammer.
The 308win Ive mostly used is an old 16" Ruger scout rifle. Its a tough little guy and great with a supressor and lethal inside 100yd with the Hornady 190gr sub-sonic load and sounds like an airsoft rifle. I watched 30-06 John's UA-cam channel and his same rifle Hornady 220RN. Im working on this load now for distances inside 200yds and its pretty impressive. The final taskbis going to find a good cast powder coated bullet load for small game so I can have an grouse to grizzly solution.
That’s cool
Another good video thank you.
@@sugargoldy I appreciate it!
Great video as always. I enjoy these alot, you always have good information. I would love to see a comparison(breakdown) of the 243win and the 6mm Remington. im betting most will be very very surprised at the numbers.
I appreciate it.
7mm-08 my favorite cartridge
@@joshuavillnave3804 👍🏻👍🏻
What about 7mm08 vs 6.5 creedmooe hunting and target
@@neewb2723 I need to do that
What if you did 7mm-08 vs 6.5 Creed? Might be a lil different? Especially with 140gr bullets
@@piratetrooper87 7mm-08 has a slight bit more capacity and because of the bigger caliber advantage would shoot the bullet faster. 140 in 6.5 will have a little better bc than 149 in 7mm.
Great information. Good job!
@@montanamusings thank you!
I wonder how the talk would go if the 7mm-08 was the military's cartridge instead of 308.
It would probably be more common and available.
Maybe Olin's should've reduced the calibre to .284 when they shortened the 30-06 to develop the .308.
Great topic and can’t wait to hear your views.
Awesome!
Thank you 😊
@@robertjackson1407 thanks for watching
Spot on
@@billhamilton6985 thanks!
I have been using a 12.5" shorty 308 in an AR10 platform, my past experience with 7mm-08 has me considering a custom upper build if I can find everything I need for a 7mm-08 chambered AR10, just beccause I want it.😁
@@Disastrous.Affect I understand that
…, same pressure.
Within 400 there is no debate for hunting imho. But probably great to get into the 7s and way better for beginners and smaller framed shooters. So is the 7mm-08 the better 6.5 Creedmoor? 😁
Looking at ballistic data, the 7mm-08 outperforms 6.5 Creedmoor by every measure out to 400 yards or more. But so does .270 Winchester if you ignore recoil.
@ exactly. Let’s take an 140 Accubond as an example. The 7mm-08 has 100 fps on the Creedmoor plus the larger diameter. And the BC advantage of the 6.5 is basically nothing, 0.485 vs .509
And that’s not covering the advantage of the 7mm-08 being able to shoot way heavier projectiles
Mainly big game hunt with a 7mm wsm but looking to rebarrell a rem 700 243 into a 7mm08 or 308 for doe patrol on my farm. Leaning towards 7mm 08 just for the fact I already have 7mm bullets to reload but then again I already have a short action 7mm I can’t decide 🤷♂️
Makes sense
I have to argue with paul..1631. There is always a reason to purchase another caliber... addiction.. jk.. I have an addiction for buying, mostly rifles in different, I think, practical calibers. The only caliber that I have three different rifles is the 7mm-08. All the remaining rifles I have, I haven't even doubled up on... YET.!! Yep, I'm addicted 😊
BTW.. Thanks for the info.. you're always informative.
@@ralphyoung9296 I totally understand, thanks!
I have 2 308s I might need to get a 7mm08 also.
More the merrier right? lol
I have found the same thing that you have with Barnes data. They are on the high end but still safe. I also believe that Hodgdon is the same, safe but on the warm side. Some of my best loads have come from these two sources.
@@jessdurfee3817 right on, thanks!
Yes they both recoil the same with the same weight bullet, but for bullets with the same BC or sectional density, the 7mm-08 will recoil less. Not a lot less but will be noticeable. Compare a 160 grain to a 180 grain and you'll notice the difference. This is especially important if you're using a lighter weight hunting rifle.
@@denisleblanc4506 true
Shot placement is the key✝️🦌
They are both great cartridges, my favorite hunting cartridge is 7mm-08 mainly because the rifle I have it in is fantastic. I always thought it would be cool if somebody necked down a 308 case and fit a 270 projectile in it....well the 7mm-08 is almost exactly that.
@@mdp4656 a wildcat called 270 Redding is that. Also the 277 Sig Fury, not the 80,000 psi version is that.
@@hopefulballistics ah cool. I did not know about those. I'll probably just stick with the 7mm-08 but Thanks!
Oh golly, you have me on the edge of my seat! What a tough call indeed. I wonder if deer can tell the difference. This is getting hard to watch.
Simple solution
I've noticed that Lyman reloading manual has lower powder charges / velocities across the board in a lot of calibers. I've also noticed that cartridges like the Nosler cartridges and the 280 AI have really good velocities/higher powder charges in the Nosler reloading manual but lower in the Hornady manual. Also, the Hornady flagship cartridges like the PRC's and creedmoor's have elevated velocities, more so than those cartridges in the Nosler book. Part of it is promoting, I think, their own cartridges. I don't think marketing should take any part at all in reloading manual data. I think it should be unbiased across the board.
100%
Own both.
@@REIronminer absolutely
They are very close but for me... the 7mm-08 is better. I always say unless we are un a post- apocalyptic scenario, ill take the 7mm-08 every time. I have three 7mm-08s and one 308 that I haven't shot in years.
Just get both
@@dyouden good idea
You said it yourself. At shorter hunting ranges they both will do the job. At longer ranges the 7mm-08 can pull ahead slightly and that's where you'll want the most performance. But there isn't much between them.
@@denisleblanc4506 I appreciate the comment
Would like a comparison between the oh-so popular 6.5 Creedmoor and the 7mm-08. I've seen a lot of 7mm-08 vs. .308.
When a 6mm Creedmoor takes an elk at 862 yards, the right kind of projectile, put in the CNA and dumping it on the spot, one wonders why there's certain performance factors toppling one caliber over another. .243, .264, .284, .308....... The limitation isn't the projectile and cartridge, it's often the hunter and their platform.
If 250 yards is the most people will ever deal with, what makes a 7mm-08 or 308 or 300 Win mag for that matter.... more versatile than a .30-30?
It's interesting how much discussion and/or debate these matters create.
@@exothermal.sprocket thanks for the comment
@@hopefulballistics Not a problem!
Got a 7mm-08 22” custom prefit for a aero solus action coming for that 500 ish yard an in rifle
@@jaycupples4362 awesome!
I got both, they just different. 😊
The 7mm-08 is a match to the 30/06 using comparable sectional density measurements. A 160 grain 7mm bullet has the same sectional density as a 180 grain 30 caliber bullet. The 7mm-08 pushes a 160 grain bullet from a 22 inch barrel the same velocity as a 180 grain bullet 30/06 from a 22 inch long barrel. Same velocity same sectional density means better performance from the 7mm-08 and less recoil.
@@jeffreylocke8808 I appreciate it, but why would that equal better performance as you said in your last line?
The new Tikka 708 has. 1/9 and the Ruger American has 1/8.5
@@mr.mr.3301 yep
When you post velocity numbers.... please use a micrometer and state your case-head expansion after each firing. Just ahead of the extractor groove. In other words, how many loadings are you getting(out of a specific brand of brass) before the primer pocket wont hold a primer. Means alot to people who handload...... might want to add your environmental conditions as well. I like 7mm-08 and love your channel btw
@@hughwalker1335 thanks for watching
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@@RON-m8c pretty good list
The difference is so small it’s almost impossible to say one is better than the other. It would come down to more of what rifle it is I’m interested in. If I found one I liked in either caliber that’s the one I’m going with
@@Westerner_ I can’t disagree with that
Cfe 223 with 120 ttsx 26 inch barrel I'm getting close to 3250 hits like lightning
@@hellyeah6987 right in line with me. 3200 22”.
The biggest difference. In the topic of variety, if you plan to hand load. It is mute and a tie.
Do agree with a lot of what you say, the analysis is solid. Hand loading, id personally give the edge across the board to 7mm vs 30 cal. But that is me.
Factory ammo, 308 wins 7mm08
@@vervlogan I appreciate the comment.
My area its under 30 yrds
308 has more energy, 708 is a little better in accuracy, out at a bit greater distance..
Actually the 284 is supior to the 7mm08 and 308 the 284 has the same ballistics as the 3006 pretty much.
…..ok…
😂@@hopefulballistics
I remember when the 7mm 08 came out, I think it was in the Remington model 7 carbine ?. I really couldn't see the advantage of it in the area I hunt which consists mostly of bush and a long shot is 150 yards in most cases. The local gun shop has stacks of 308 and if you're lucky some surplus 7.62 x 51 as well, whereas he might have 2 boxes of 7mm 08 on the shelf. As far as reloading there are twice as many bullets available in .30 caliber at my supplier and I can buy 147 grain fmj .308 bullets from Campro really cheap for plinking
@@paullavallee1631 308 is definitely more available
I agree with everything you said but I still lean towards the 708 I have a very awesome Weatherby vanguard. As far as the big caliber Advantage I have a 338 Federal that shoots a 160 grain ttsx at 3100 ft per second
Sweet!
Excellent video, especially noting that it will not be exact comparison because of the different grain weights. Sometimes that is just unavoidable.
I have heard 7-08 called .308 Lite. Being that it was a target round and might have been nominally used in heavier rifles, the advantage is that, with less muzzle flip, it is easier to stay on target and see bullet trace and misses and be able to make corrections.
The advantage of .308 is the ubiquitousness of the cartridge. Any store is going to carry .308 in a few different loadings, mostly for hunters.
The fastest .308 I have is a 1:10 twist in a medium bull barrel. Another one is 1:12 but just as accurate with 165 gr. Most times, it is cheaper to get the .308 primarily as a hunting rifle. Modern rifles, including budget rifles, have and prove 1 MOA accuracy on the first three shots, which is all you will need for hunting. If the third shot did not bring down the game, something is drastically wrong and the person needs to stop shooting and fix that.
The 1:10 and 1:12 twist rates for .308 and the amount of free bore help the barrel to last for 1000s of rounds. Up to 5000 rds. Let's say a hunter has a few range trips a year. Let's call it 8 times a year. He shoots 30 rounds each time. 240 rounds per year. 5000 / 240 = 20 ish years. And actually, most hunting practice can and should be dry fire.
Most times, I might shoot 20 rounds at a range visit with my 7 PRC. But I also have .308s.
I have heard it said that you can shoot game with target ammo. I also tend to agree with Hornady in that a hunting round has a specific job. Even though a hunting round can fly 1000 yards, it's job is to bring down deer at the average hunting distances of 300 yards and closer, maybe 600 yards on elk on an open plain.
@@ronws2007 great comment, I appreciate it.
As a 'target' round, the 7-08 was developed for silhouette shooting to match the 7x57, while using.308 brass, because the .308 wouldn't reliably knock over the 500 metre ram target like the 7x57 would, and competitors found the extra weight and recoil of the 30-06 too tiring to shoot accurately towards the end of a long match.
Uh-oh, don't tell Ron Spomer you're hating on the 7mm-08😂
But in all seriousness, as a hunter, you are not going to know the difference. I hunt with a 7mm-08, and my buddy with .308. We have a hard time noticing a difference in recoil, comparatively, but I do think the 7mm-08 has the slight edge there. All I know is it has never let me down, and I am very comfortable with taking most any shot nature declares viable with my setup. 7mm-08 for me, but admittedly it's just my bias over the cartridge/rifle combo.
@@hammerheadms no hate here, lol. I love both cartridges.
6mm-08 😉
That's a 243 Win.
7mm-08 hands down, its more accurate, penetrats deeper, i can tell ur a .308 fan trying to put down that wildcat round
@@kristophersanchez3280 it’s not objectively more accurate. Neither one is. On penetration it would depend on which bullets you’re comparing. If the bullet is the same construction with the same sectional density, than it’s the same. I like both cartridges.
I own both, 300 and under the 308 wins. Over 300 the 7/08 wins 🏆
@@joelclark2130 thanks
Well your video was good luck. Shot a buck while listening.
@@DrewEdwardBacklas lol, that’s great!
@ with a 7-08 of all things.
The 7mm-08 is a great cartridge for ignorant people who have never heard about the 7x57 Mauser
@@leoncolwin8645 they’re nearly the same ballistically. Whether you’ve heard of the 7 Mauser, or not, 7mm-08 is a great cartridge.
Here in America... no one cares about the 7mm Mauser.
That's...a theory.
@ReloadingWeatherby Like I said for ignorant people such as yourself, there's the 7mm-08
@@leoncolwin8645 who TF are you to think you can take liberties calling anyone ignorant. Apparently "Keyboard Rangers" don't have an age limit.
I prefer the 7mm-08 in a lighter weight hunting rifle due to recoil. For my hunting rifle in 308 I have a T/C Encore Pro Hunter with a 26 inch heavy barrel. The recoil feels the same to me. That’s with 140s in the 7mm and 150s in the 308 so it’s not exactly apples to apples. At 65 firearm weight starts to matter to us old funds 🥹.
Awesome, thanks!