Remember Barnes rates their BC's at 300 yards not 200 or 100 like other manufacturers so don't get too caught up in the BC advertising , I get 3300 out of my 325 WSM with 160 TTSX and reloader 17 that weight is light for caliber also but I don't care
@@carlpreston1680 yeah, i just read barnes has a indoor 300 yrd range where they take measurements of velocity and time of flight, and also uses Doppler radar to verify the drag models. I understand what you were referring to now.
As I was watching your video the UPS delivered the same bullet that you were testing. Now that’s funny 😆 Great job on the video,keep up the good job 👍😎
May I ask what brand of brass use where using? I tried new Starline and well used Winchester brass with Varget and Win.748 I ran out room. Even the lowest loading was a compressed load. Going to try to find some TAC powder, probably not 😆 By the way they didn’t shoot at all.
TAC has been phenomenal for me. Just tested some handloads yesterday. It's also good for 150gr ttsx (2890s out of my 18") and north fork 165gr ss. While i got over 3100 with my 130gr M80A1 projectiles, the accuracy wasn't there. I was still 0.7grs away from Max.
My semi custom 308 dotes on the 130ttsx and Tac. I replace it with the 125 Speer TNT for cheap and accurate practice. Used the 130TTSX in Namibia back in may. Took a gemsbok at 200yards and got a complete pass through plus a bang flop. Same with a springbok. Velocity is 3190.
In my 20"barrel mod70, i got higher velocities with 49.5 gr of tac than using 50.5grs,groups opened up also. Best 3shot group so far is with 49.0 gr. 2shot same hole 3rd shot opened up the group to .80. Dangit! Was probably me ! ES of 20fps & SD of 8fps. I've just loaded some @ 49.3grs to try soon. So far have used varget, BLC2&H335 , TAC is THE POWDER for the Barnes 130gr ttsx in my 308win mod70 really enjoyed your testing thanks
50 thousandths off lands is actually really seating it out there for Barnes, lot of times people seat the Barnes 75-150+. The factory COL 130s and on there data is around 2.730 which is about 200 thousandths off most 308s. You probably have yours seated out 100-150 more than most of us, and I bet that's how your not showing pressure with those spicy loads! My TAC 130 are 2.750 and 50.5 grains is about all I can do. You've inspired me to reach further!!! With extreme caution of course, LOL. PS you'll love not dealing with blood shot, lead shrapnel filled meat at harvest time!!!
Wow that's a heck of a load for the 308! As a general rule I'm not a fan of light weight bullets in any caliber but with it being Barnes TTSX bullets the penetration would be very good and the fact you got that kind of accuracy with them and at max velocity is awesome. Very good show.
I have read that you’re supposed to clean your barrel before shooting copper I would love to see someone tested that shoot a bunch of regular cup and core and then do a deep cleaning of the barrel and see the group.
@@hopefulballistics that would be a fun video for you to do. Never seen anyone test it. Shoot 20 rds of cup and core. Then shoot your accurate group in the Barnes ttsx. Clean the barrel with something good like bore tech eliminator and retest.
A guy gave me some 125 sierra pro hunter bullets, I loaded them with 48 grains of tac, and got around 3100 fps from my 18.5 inch barrel. Never got one exit wound on a hog, but they all hit the ground where they were shot. Cfe223 gives good velocity with 308 also. Thanks for the video.
I used the 130g ttsx in my vanguard 308 with (I think I settled on) 46.6 gr Varget . Last fall and I took two Taney Co. Missouri whitetails. Both ran approximately 30 yards and expired. Both broadside shots thouhh one was heart and the other ended up a touch higher than I liked and double lunged. Internal damage wound cavity looked to perform well and the exit wound I thought would have been better than it was. However- blood trail was nice and started within 10 yards or so. P.s. both deer where approximately 225yrd. I also took the same setup to south west Texas for a hog hunt and used it to harvest one of the hogs at approx 100 yards. It worked flawlessly again. Though based on shot location being direct behind the ear the hog was all but expired when she hit fell over where she stood. I'm looking forward to playing with and testing these 130s in my 300 weatherby here this fall. Great Channel man-.im glad I cam across it!
Great video! Congrats on finding that load. Using the same components, I’m at 0.2 below max in the Barnes manual, 22” barrel and getting 3150. Might try to goose it up a little as long as I’m not having excessive pressure signs.
I'm going to try that in my AR10and see how well my R25 does with that combo. Now we need to do the same test with a 260Remington and a 110gr or 120gr TTSX and see what we get.
Still tinkering with TAC and 147 grain FMJ bullets for my AR10s. Trying to develop a 3000 fps load for hogs. So far, I'm getting definite over pressure indicators at 2900+. Maybe too fast a powder for the heavier bullet. 😕
That was an awesome group and wow was it smoking fast.That came together great for you. I have alot of Tac I bought for 223 that I never bothered with. So I just loaded some 308 and 06 with 150 gr pills. I hope I get decent results we will see. Nicely done that was cool.
Just got a box of those bullets and am going to try them in my new Browning x bolt. Hopefully they shoot good. Plus I have a pound of tac that will work good by the looks.
Awesome final group with TAC! Cheers to finding your perfect 130gr recipe. Question, did you have a piece of chrono shatter at the final shot of your second to last string?
I understand that everything I'm about to list has a better BC. The question I have is would you consider this an elk cartridge? Think about the 6.5 127gr Barnes Vortex LR. This beats the velocity of the PRC loaded with that bullet. While the BC for the 308 is lower, it's still a few grains heavier. To push bullets in this weight class to these velocities my mind immediately goes to 6.5-300 WBY. Now on to 270. Standard loading for 130gr has it moving at about 3100FPS. People take lots of elk with all those mentioned above. So......is this an adequate elk load?
A 130 grain 308 bullet flying at 3300 feet a second that sucker is screaming. The loads we run with a hornady sst we are getting around 2900 fps and that’s a 165 grain bullet
Nice group on your last 3 shot group. my 308 has a 24 in barrel you think 50.5 grains will work or should I go down a grain with that longer barrel what’s your thoughts
@@hopefulballistics I am curious about that 270WSM in the 130 gr CX also. I've been using Federal 130 gr Trophy Copper but can't find them any more. I have a Sako 75 Finnlight, it is my favorite hunting rifle for deer and black bear.
I'm not sure if it applies to Barnes bullets but a striking velocity of 2900 or over will destroy a lot of meat with traditional bullets. Your load would be great for over 125 yards but closer could be a problem. Great load!
No I don't. When meat is hit with a velocity higher than 2900 fps it tends to break down and turn to jelly. Local tree stand hunters stay away from 270 Win and 7mm Rem Mag because of this. When they do use them they use the heaviest bullet they can find to reduce the velocity. Of course their shots are rarely over 75 yards.@@hopefulballistics
The grouping changes look just like the changes that you see when adjusting a barrel tuner, which, I suppose, makes sense, as the barrel/system react to the different shock loading, and different "angle" at the muzzle with different velocities... Have you tried a tuner/brake? Just a thought...
308, 130 TTSX, TAC powder. Hmmm, where have I seen this before? Oh yea, my loads! Filled quite a few tags the past 2 seasons with it. Just think for a moment, really wrap your head around it....tell me what a 130 TTSX from a 308 at those speeds CAN"T kill inside 450 yards?
@@hopefulballistics I do comment on a lot of your videos. I don't recall if I mentioned this exact combo or not but I am pretty sure I did and/or on Alaskan Ballistics channel
Thats awesome. My tikka t3 so far didn't like these bullets with varget and imr 3031, will have to try TAC. What COAL were you using? I realize that is a different rifle. Great content as usual!
I run these in my Tikka T3 308 over 49g of Varget. I haven't gotten velocity numbers yet, but it shoots sub 1/2" moa. I do also have some TAC. One thing that I noticed is that your seated out so that 2 rings are showing. My seating depth is just to the top of that second ring or 2.825" COAL. If you don't mind me asking, what is your COAL of this load with TAC? Thanks.
Im not a huge fan of Barnes bullets. My hunting is 99% inside 200yards and altho it included Blk Bears and Hogs. Nothing really dangerous. Cup n Core and of coarse my own cast have been all I need. Early on I picked up a few boxes of these when I first got my 300 aac cause I couldn't get the 110 and assumed they was same. Of coarse we all know its not at all even close. These 130's sat and sat. I made a rim cut on a H&R/NEF308 so I could shoot 307 Winchesters and loaded these 130's WOW WOW WOW!!! H 335 and these bullets where LIGHTNING BOLTS and laser beam accurate! I was shooting only shooting about 2950 fps and at 1" largest. Anyone having a H&R knows consistent good accuracy is rare. Sometimes they shoot most of the time they are just passable hunting accuracy. Occasionally ya get a shooter. I mostly use TAC in 358 but am trying in my lil 6arc now. Good video man! 👍🏼💪🏼💥💥
CW Longshot spends a lot of time at the loading bench and the shooting bench. He's one of the gun tubers that I will listen to. I started reloading around 1981 and was very well entrenched in my old standard powders, but after the powder shortages of recent years and now the soaring prices, I am looking at alternatives. Thanks for sharing! Rat @hopefulballistics
@@hopefulballistics without looking in my notes I want to say right around 54gr got me around 3250 and a very tight groups,,but as you know every rifle is different and what works in one may not be worth a hill of beans in another,,both my 308 are Browning x bolt one a white gold medallion, and the other a LR heavy barrel
🕵️♂️ As You Can See, With Using "Modern" Bullets and Powders, Their is Absolutely "No Need" For the PRC Cartridges! 😜 I Hope You Also Got To See What Austin "Short Video" on The 7mm-08 vs. The 7mm prc Today? 🤣 The "Old Fudd Cartridges" Still "Got Game"! 🦌
BTW, are you not a believer in 5 shot groups, as a better group test? Again, just like when adjusting a barrel tuner, you get "peaks and valleys" in groups as the velocity and, maybe, shock/impact to the barrel, changes.
@@hopefulballistics just because elevation and temperature change does effect pressure quite a lot. I like to ride the 97 98 percent range rather then max . Just peace of mind
Everybody gets way too worked up over "max loads". The manual is going to give you a max load that should be safe in all rifles. Each rifle chamber is unique. What is max in my rifle isn't what is max in the next guy's. As long as you work up slowly and understand what your brass is telling you, you might be OK to shoot well over published max charges.
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That's nearly 400+ fps more than the 120gr ttsx in the 6.5 Creed, and why the 308 isn't dead and can't be killed. It does everything well.
Well said
That bullet is Ryan over at Vortexx favorite bullet.
It’s moving up the list for me too
He’s why I got it for mine. I put 49.2 grains of varget behind mine and I’m getting 2970fps out of my 16” sig cross
That 130gr ttsx going 3300 will be great or to 500 or so. Low b.c. but no amount of b.c. makes up for that velocity!
That’s true
Remember Barnes rates their BC's at 300 yards not 200 or 100 like other manufacturers so don't get too caught up in the BC advertising , I get 3300 out of my 325 WSM with 160 TTSX and reloader 17 that weight is light for caliber also but I don't care
@@carlpreston1680bc has nothing to do with range, if g1 drag models, it is speed sensitive and based on velocity.
What I said came from Barnes, besides manufacturers are using g1 bc for g7 bullets
@@carlpreston1680 yeah, i just read barnes has a indoor 300 yrd range where they take measurements of velocity and time of flight, and also uses Doppler radar to verify the drag models. I understand what you were referring to now.
Shootin a 130gr faster than most factory 270 win loads
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Id run that second load n not look back. Thats unreal vel in 308
Thanks
As I was watching your video the UPS delivered the same bullet that you were testing. Now that’s funny 😆 Great job on the video,keep up the good job 👍😎
I appreciate it, have fun with those bullets.
May I ask what brand of brass use where using? I tried new Starline and well used Winchester brass with Varget and Win.748 I ran out room. Even the lowest loading was a compressed load. Going to try to find some TAC powder, probably not 😆 By the way they didn’t shoot at all.
@@patrickfoley9256 I did the same thing with Starline and W748. These were Federal.
TAC has been phenomenal for me. Just tested some handloads yesterday.
It's also good for 150gr ttsx (2890s out of my 18") and north fork 165gr ss.
While i got over 3100 with my 130gr M80A1 projectiles, the accuracy wasn't there.
I was still 0.7grs away from Max.
Very nice!
My relative is running the Barnes 110 over tac in the 308 and likes them for whitetail. He likes speed and has had good results on deer.
Do you know what velocity he’s getting?
@@hopefulballistics I honestly don’t remember 🤷🏽♂️
I've seen several big Maine whitetails taken with that combo. Lights out baby and always 2 holes that leak a lot
Awesome, thanks
My semi custom 308 dotes on the 130ttsx and Tac. I replace it with the 125 Speer TNT for cheap and accurate practice.
Used the 130TTSX in Namibia back in may. Took a gemsbok at 200yards and got a complete pass through plus a bang flop. Same with a springbok.
Velocity is 3190.
Right on!
All around you can't beat the Barnes bullets. Find the right powder combination and go for it. They are number one on my loading bench.....
Right on!
Thank you for sharing your your experience and success🎉 Patience and perseverance pays off 👍
I appreciate that!
Just came back from ALhog hunt using 130ttsx and benchmark in 16” ar308 dropped them in their tracks at 180 yards
Right on!
Excellent video....amazing how versatile a 308Win is.
@@billflythe4092 thank you! It really is!
hip hip hurray!! It is a winner!! great comments
Thanks!
In my 20"barrel mod70, i got higher velocities with 49.5 gr of tac than using 50.5grs,groups opened up also. Best 3shot group so far is with 49.0 gr. 2shot same hole 3rd shot opened up the group to .80. Dangit! Was probably me ! ES of 20fps & SD of 8fps. I've just loaded some @ 49.3grs to try soon. So far have used varget, BLC2&H335 , TAC is THE POWDER for the Barnes 130gr ttsx in my 308win mod70 really enjoyed your testing thanks
Awesome, thanks
50 thousandths off lands is actually really seating it out there for Barnes, lot of times people seat the Barnes 75-150+. The factory COL 130s and on there data is around 2.730 which is about 200 thousandths off most 308s. You probably have yours seated out 100-150 more than most of us, and I bet that's how your not showing pressure with those spicy loads! My TAC 130 are 2.750 and 50.5 grains is about all I can do. You've inspired me to reach further!!! With extreme caution of course, LOL. PS you'll love not dealing with blood shot, lead shrapnel filled meat at harvest time!!!
Great perspective! Thanks for the comment.
Wow that's a heck of a load for the 308! As a general rule I'm not a fan of light weight bullets in any caliber but with it being Barnes TTSX bullets the penetration would be very good and the fact you got that kind of accuracy with them and at max velocity is awesome. Very good show.
I appreciate it, thanks!
I have read that you’re supposed to clean your barrel before shooting copper I would love to see someone tested that shoot a bunch of regular cup and core and then do a deep cleaning of the barrel and see the group.
Yeah
@@hopefulballistics that would be a fun video for you to do. Never seen anyone test it. Shoot 20 rds of cup and core. Then shoot your accurate group in the Barnes ttsx. Clean the barrel with something good like bore tech eliminator and retest.
A guy gave me some 125 sierra pro hunter bullets, I loaded them with 48 grains of tac, and got around 3100 fps from my 18.5 inch barrel. Never got one exit wound on a hog, but they all hit the ground where they were shot. Cfe223 gives good velocity with 308 also. Thanks for the video.
Right on, thanks
Pretty awesome load you have there! Ryan Muckenhirn would be proud!
Thanks 👍
I used the 130g ttsx in my vanguard 308 with (I think I settled on) 46.6 gr Varget . Last fall and I took two Taney Co. Missouri whitetails. Both ran approximately 30 yards and expired. Both broadside shots thouhh one was heart and the other ended up a touch higher than I liked and double lunged. Internal damage wound cavity looked to perform well and the exit wound I thought would have been better than it was. However- blood trail was nice and started within 10 yards or so. P.s. both deer where approximately 225yrd. I also took the same setup to south west Texas for a hog hunt and used it to harvest one of the hogs at approx 100 yards. It worked flawlessly again. Though based on shot location being direct behind the ear the hog was all but expired when she hit fell over where she stood. I'm looking forward to playing with and testing these 130s in my 300 weatherby here this fall. Great Channel man-.im glad I cam across it!
Great comment, thanks for watching!
definitely some wicked whitetail deer medicine, to say the least!! Another great video!!
Yes! Thank you!
Appreciated!! This 130 from the 308 WIN makes me think of the 260 REM and our pre 6.5 Creedmoor timeline
Thanks!
I use Tac in a lot of 308 loads with 150gr and smaller projectiles. CFE223 I use with the 165 to 178gr projectiles with great success
Sweet. My results are similar to yours in both powders.
I loaded mine up. Shot a 0.6 three shot group at 3100 fps. 18 inch ultra light rifle 8x scope
Extreme spread of 3 Standard Deviation of ONE!!!
@@toddyoung5943 that’s awesome!
Great video! Congrats on finding that load. Using the same components, I’m at 0.2 below max in the Barnes manual, 22” barrel and getting 3150. Might try to goose it up a little as long as I’m not having excessive pressure signs.
Thanks!
I started using Tac when other powders were unobtainable. 24g of Tac with a 55g sp is my AR plinking load (no FMJ at my range)
Nice!
I was going to work up some loads with my sons 308 with AR comp but might have to give tac a try
I’d say it’s worth a try.
Bad lil 308!!!
Indeed, lol
I'm going to try that in my AR10and see how well my R25 does with that combo. Now we need to do the same test with a 260Remington and a 110gr or 120gr TTSX and see what we get.
Good luck. 👍🏻
Still tinkering with TAC and 147 grain FMJ bullets for my AR10s. Trying to develop a 3000 fps load for hogs. So far, I'm getting definite over pressure indicators at 2900+. Maybe too fast a powder for the heavier bullet. 😕
@@bustabass9025 maybe
Awesome!
@@rexking3698 thanks!
Love it.
Thanks!
I get outstanding accuracy with 130 TTSX from my .270 win. .5 to .75 moa all day. Velocity is 3150 from 22" barrel. Using imr 4831 and cci 200 primers
Right on!
Excellent. Good results for sure.
Thanks
That was an awesome group and wow was it smoking fast.That came together great for you. I have alot of Tac I bought for 223 that I never bothered with. So I just loaded some 308 and 06 with 150 gr pills. I hope I get decent results we will see. Nicely done that was cool.
Thanks, I appreciate it
Just got a box of those bullets and am going to try them in my new Browning x bolt. Hopefully they shoot good. Plus I have a pound of tac that will work good by the looks.
@@shanerhodes925 awesome, good luck!
Awesome 👏🏻
Thanks!
Awesome final group with TAC! Cheers to finding your perfect 130gr recipe. Question, did you have a piece of chrono shatter at the final shot of your second to last string?
If I remember the force of the bullet wave got close and knocked it apart. But it was fine. I put it back together.
I like varget power and nosler ballastic tip 165grain for my 308. Just loves it
Nice
Impressive velocities!
Yes sir!
Great job 👍
Thank you!
I understand that everything I'm about to list has a better BC. The question I have is would you consider this an elk cartridge?
Think about the 6.5 127gr Barnes Vortex LR. This beats the velocity of the PRC loaded with that bullet. While the BC for the 308 is lower, it's still a few grains heavier. To push bullets in this weight class to these velocities my mind immediately goes to 6.5-300 WBY. Now on to 270. Standard loading for 130gr has it moving at about 3100FPS. People take lots of elk with all those mentioned above. So......is this an adequate elk load?
I would say it’s adequate
A 130 grain 308 bullet flying at 3300 feet a second that sucker is screaming. The loads we run with a hornady sst we are getting around 2900 fps and that’s a 165 grain bullet
I was happy with it
Using factory in this load / AR10 10.5". Phenomenal accuracy, 2780 fps, longest whitetail at 406 so far.
Nice!
Nice group on your last 3 shot group. my 308 has a 24 in barrel you think 50.5 grains will work or should I go down a grain with that longer barrel what’s your thoughts
I have found Barnes X -bullets to be the MOST accurate out of my hunting rifles!
Sweet
I would like to see you try that powder, and your 130 CXs in the 270WSM!
110 gr Ttsx in the 270wsm is the way to go
Hmmmm, interesting
@@hopefulballistics I am curious about that 270WSM in the 130 gr CX also. I've been using Federal 130 gr Trophy Copper but can't find them any more. I have a Sako 75 Finnlight, it is my favorite hunting rifle for deer and black bear.
me too
I'm not sure if it applies to Barnes bullets but a striking velocity of 2900 or over will destroy a lot of meat with traditional bullets. Your load would be great for over 125 yards but closer could be a problem. Great load!
You think it would break apart?
No I don't. When meat is hit with a velocity higher than 2900 fps it tends to break down and turn to jelly. Local tree stand hunters stay away from 270 Win and 7mm Rem Mag because of this. When they do use them they use the heaviest bullet they can find to reduce the velocity. Of course their shots are rarely over 75 yards.@@hopefulballistics
I just picked up a box of 130s and plan to make it my deer load for next season. A great recommendation from Ryan Muckenhirn from Vortex!
Absolutely
The grouping changes look just like the changes that you see when adjusting a barrel tuner, which, I suppose, makes sense, as the barrel/system react to the different shock loading, and different "angle" at the muzzle with different velocities... Have you tried a tuner/brake?
Just a thought...
I haven’t tried a tuner yet.
Tac and 8mm mauser. Had a very respectable group at 100 yds with 175gr prohunters, yugo 24/47 mauser open sights. Didn't chrono it tho
Awesome!
That crazy...I got 3400 in my 30-06 with imr 4064.....that's really close.... maybe I could have gone higher.
I need to get some IMR 4064
308, 130 TTSX, TAC powder. Hmmm, where have I seen this before? Oh yea, my loads! Filled quite a few tags the past 2 seasons with it.
Just think for a moment, really wrap your head around it....tell me what a 130 TTSX from a 308 at those speeds CAN"T kill inside 450 yards?
Nice!
I've got 400 loaded for this exact reason.
Sweet. You might have been one of the ones that mentioned this powder, if so thanks. I’m pretty impressed with this load.
@@hopefulballistics I do comment on a lot of your videos. I don't recall if I mentioned this exact combo or not but I am pretty sure I did and/or on Alaskan Ballistics channel
@@hopefulballistics Yep, just looked back at your video posted 7 months ago re: 308 and 130 TTSX. That is where I told you my load
Thats awesome. My tikka t3 so far didn't like these bullets with varget and imr 3031, will have to try TAC. What COAL were you using? I realize that is a different rifle. Great content as usual!
50 thou off lands. I don’t have the coal written down. To the ogive is 2.235.
W748 shoots decent in my 308 with this bullet. Under 1 moa at least
Perhaps try that lad a few times to verify that accuracy. The speed should be remain around the 3300fps just need to confirm accuracy
Agreed
Wonder if the barrel twist rate impacts accuracy of lite lower weight bullets?
I wouldn’t think so
I run these in my Tikka T3 308 over 49g of Varget. I haven't gotten velocity numbers yet, but it shoots sub 1/2" moa. I do also have some TAC. One thing that I noticed is that your seated out so that 2 rings are showing. My seating depth is just to the top of that second ring or 2.825" COAL. If you don't mind me asking, what is your COAL of this load with TAC? Thanks.
50 thou off the lands. My measurement to the ogive is 2.235. I don’t have the coal written down. A guess would be between 2.87 and 2.90.
@@hopefulballistics very nice. My Tikka is 2.940 COAL to lands and 2.305" CBTO. I'm .115" off lands but it shoots about .311" moa
Im not a huge fan of Barnes bullets.
My hunting is 99% inside 200yards and altho it included Blk Bears and Hogs. Nothing really dangerous.
Cup n Core and of coarse my own cast have been all I need.
Early on I picked up a few boxes of these when I first got my 300 aac cause I couldn't get the 110 and assumed they was same. Of coarse we all know its not at all even close. These 130's sat and sat. I made a rim cut on a H&R/NEF308 so I could shoot 307 Winchesters and loaded these 130's WOW WOW WOW!!! H 335 and these bullets where LIGHTNING BOLTS and laser beam accurate! I was shooting only shooting about 2950 fps and at 1" largest. Anyone having a H&R knows consistent good accuracy is rare. Sometimes they shoot most of the time they are just passable hunting accuracy. Occasionally ya get a shooter.
I mostly use TAC in 358 but am trying in my lil 6arc now.
Good video man! 👍🏼💪🏼💥💥
Thanks for watching!
CW Longshot spends a lot of time at the loading bench and the shooting bench. He's one of the gun tubers that I will listen to. I started reloading around 1981 and was very well entrenched in my old standard powders, but after the powder shortages of recent years and now the soaring prices, I am looking at alternatives.
Thanks for sharing!
Rat
@hopefulballistics
I am using TAC for 168gr with 16" barrel 308 and getting 2600fps
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Try cfe 223
On 130 gr?
Should be a problem as always check the specs@@hopefulballistics
You must be well over pressure!
I said in the video I went 1/2 grain over book max. No signs of pressure and the velocity never jumped that much, just slow went up. Don’t be a hater.
Have you tried bl-c2
I haven’t
@@hopefulballistics without looking in my notes I want to say right around 54gr got me around 3250 and a very tight groups,,but as you know every rifle is different and what works in one may not be worth a hill of beans in another,,both my 308 are Browning x bolt one a white gold medallion, and the other a LR heavy barrel
@@keithbelz2952 awesome, thanks
What twist in your barrel
@@mattsflytying2816 1 in 10
@@hopefulballisticsthank you. Mine has a 1:12 howa 1500 20” bull barrel still having issues with the monolithic bullets
🕵️♂️ As You Can See, With Using "Modern" Bullets and Powders, Their is Absolutely "No Need" For the PRC Cartridges! 😜 I Hope You Also Got To See What Austin "Short Video" on The 7mm-08 vs. The 7mm prc Today? 🤣 The "Old Fudd Cartridges" Still "Got Game"! 🦌
I’ll check it out
Both Yours and His Were Good Videos! 👍😁@@hopefulballistics
@@ronlowney4700 thanks!
BTW, are you not a believer in 5 shot groups, as a better group test?
Again, just like when adjusting a barrel tuner, you get "peaks and valleys" in groups as the velocity and, maybe, shock/impact to the barrel, changes.
I filmed 7 videos on this day, and shot over a hundred rounds. I’m not against 5 shot groups at all, but is it necessary? Maybe, depends.
Id feel iffy being over max. But that 3/4 group i think second one was the one id run. I dont like being at or over max
I understand, I never saw pressure, but I understand
@@hopefulballistics just because elevation and temperature change does effect pressure quite a lot. I like to ride the 97 98 percent range rather then max . Just peace of mind
@@hopefulballistics always a good accuracy node in the 97 98 percent range
Everybody gets way too worked up over "max loads". The manual is going to give you a max load that should be safe in all rifles. Each rifle chamber is unique. What is max in my rifle isn't what is max in the next guy's. As long as you work up slowly and understand what your brass is telling you, you might be OK to shoot well over published max charges.