He started to become independent at the age of 14.
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- Troy, an African American in the United States, was once a promising baseball star, but he was imprisoned because of an accidental robbery and murder. At that time, the racial segregation policy of the American Major League Baseball had not been completely abolished, and blacks had few opportunities to appear on the field. In addition, Troy was old when he was released from prison, so his baseball career ended and he became a sanitation worker in Pittsburgh. The film also tells the complicated relationship between Troy and his wife, son and friends.#movie #shorts
In a way he just admitted that he is just like his father. The only difference is they're 'just a few years apart'.
That not what he said.. he doesn't know how to be a father cause he didn't have one.. even his mother abandoned him. And you can how is his oldest son almost understand him compared to the other one because know about grandpa
@@Ruben-u6j He wasn't. You missed parts of
Kind of depressing
@@ActionNoJacksonhe was an awful husband and father stop making excuses lol
@@thegreathuttawful is over statement
Man said he wondered why the devil ain’t come get him, found out he owed him money 😂😂😂
That’s why it’s important as black men, men, or human beings in general to get help to work on the childhood traumas caused by our parents. If you don’t it can cause you to become the thing that you hate the most.
He probably did a little better than what his father did to him.
I'm a better man because of my fathers poor example. I continued to reconcile with him over the years. Never letting his poor upbringing destroy our relationship. People couldn't stand him. He was no good. But he was my father and I loved him anyway. Isn't that what God does? None are righteous, no, not one. Gives me peace. Before he got sick, he came to my home in New Orleans and cried over my success in life. Asked me how I managed to do it. Told him it was simple. I looked at him and did the exact opposite! He later repented, and I had the privilege of baptizing him into Christ. I've kept doing what God requires of me as a man, father, and provider. Retiring this year! Nothing stops me but me!
So true
@@solomonecclesia5253that's rare. Good on you man.
Why did you feel the need to add extras on it? If you really just meant blk men, then just say blk men. We all know that others do not go through what blk men do because our history ain't the same, and neither is our standing in society. It's ok to just be about your own. It's only treated like a problem when we do it because other people fear the idea of us loving and relating to each other, they fear us being one because of what that means for them. Their trauma don't compare to our trauma because their trauma is base level and doesn't run as deep. They've never had anything near what happened to us happen to them, especially not historically. We honestly shouldn't care whether or not they like us, and we shouldn't care about how they feel concerning our community, and the way we express ourselves, as well as when we tell the truth. Being proud to be blk means that you don't care about how anyone who don't look like you feels about that. You are unapologetically Ebony.
I’m glad this gives some insight on why Troy is the way he is.
Highly likely Troy father's father (grandfather) was this way......Also, Troy's mother may have experienced her father mistreat her mother
It’s good story telling.
He never knew love or likely kindness growing up. His dad's generation wasn't big on love. But they believed in duty. Doing right by people. Some mean men. But each generation got better at loving our kids. Might be a consequence of being allowed to be a full human.
Why didn’t he put in effort to break the generational chain? I don’t understand
@@Blacksword404wow u just made me understand my dad & grandpa… they weren’t mean or abusive tho… just distant , u could be in the same room & feel a million miles apart but he was a good provider , maybe it was my mom & grandmas .. they were the kindest ppl u could ever meet & my dad loved my mom so much she got her way lol I miss them all dearly everyday
Hurt people hurt people
True for some but not all
Facts
Nah, *weak* people hurt people.
@@ShadowDancer_ Everyone makes mistakes, even kind people.
@@earlonaweary9155 I'm confused by your comment lol
I don't know about the movie, but in the play his father was a monster. He left because his father beat him and r-ped his girlfriend. She was only 13. He tried to stop him but he was only 14. He had ptsd and never knew it. Very intense play.
That's so messed up
The movie had me like😳😳😳 That's heavy!!!
August Wilson was a master playwright ❤
Thanks.
He mentions that in the movie.
THESE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS WE NEED.
Very very much
Movie may as well be called "this is what generational trauma looks like" lol
That's why it's called fences. He kept up a wall of de-fences all his life.
Huh
I know its not funny but the way you summized this made me chuckle lol😂😂😂 foolishness man
More like general curses
Due to slavery
I didn't think of that but you're spot on with that!
The hate Troy has for his father turned him into him🤷🏾♂️. He didn't learn the lesson from all the pain inflicted on him. He just passed it on.
That's that generational trauma we see way too often. Troy ended up becoming what he hated most in a person before he realized it
Yep unfortunately that’s how it goes for alot people , Troy tired his all life to avoid becoming like his father but he became just like him .
He did a little better. What I've noticed about this movie but also life is that the previous generations seem to influence the current and future generations to varying degrees. Some are exactly like their parents, some more understanding/lenient, and some are the complete opposite. In my opinion, a slight improvement is enough of a job well done. Sometimes, it's all one is capable of.
Such a great actor❤❤
Except he didn't turn into him. If u read what he said he said his dad owed someone money and didn't care about him. Troy gives his sons advice and puts a roof over they head.
This was a small father and son moment notice how troy let his son hit the bottle. Crazy alcohol was the only thing that gave them a true convo in the movie w/o troy insulting him.
Cycles unfolding in a monologue. Excellent writing. Shows the humanity of who most believe to be the “villain”. He is a product of his own traumatic childhood.
Every story has a beginning, no matter how horrible or traumatic
Respect
True, however he physically did not leave his family.
@@troydavis318thank u
@@troydavis318 Absolutely, we need to give credit for them being spiritual as family and friends. I must say folkz like us finds the good in everything, smile
@troydavis318 true but there is a saying...and it goes a father can be in the house and not in the house at the same time. So he did leave the house...mentally
A bully is made it's not born .
I tell my kids this all the time ,when faced with one .
never learning the right thing gets filled with a lot of the wrong things unfortunately most of the time .
Thank you for that insight
He speaks about his dad the way his sons speak about him...and Viola was right when she told the youngest that you are starting to act and sound just like him...
The way to break a generational curse is to KNOW HOW YOUR PARENTS BEHAVED WHEN MAKING WRONG CHOICES AND DO THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE...
Good isn't the opposite of evil, some guy said something similar.
Troy had no model of good parenting and he kept to his responsibility as a father, just as his father did for him...
When Troy sacrificed his dream and life for his family, everyone around him still found fault
I always tell my kids to take me for the good and the bad because I am human. If they find that they are just like me, accept the good parts fully and make them their own. The bad parts, try to do away with them quickly.
So many great lines and scenes in this film. Father's and sons must watch this and see how it reflects in their lives, I definitely see my issues in these characters. Humanity is very complex but choices are so important.
True
I agree with you completely EdRushing-te3sc. To my experience, rarely ever does a film achieve such a great balance of fine entertainment value and evoke profound thoughtfulness in such sensitive areas of life...such as less than ideal father and son rapport.
There were so many similarities in this movie between me and my father. I didn't understand that man completely until right after he passed away. I saw this movie about month after he passed and I wept. Seeing situations that were so similar to your own life kind of gave an outside perspective into why things happened and were the way they were at the time and why you do the thing you do, and became who you are. So many things became clear. This is the most introspective movie about the dynamics of black mens relationships as working men, husbands and fathers. It's how the effects of the trauma of slavery and racism echoed through the generations. God bless my father, I miss him, and I thank him.
He raised those kids the best way he knew how. Gave them the best parts of himself, kept them alive and showed them the point to progress from. Being a product that can be become better isn’t always a problem. It’s a means to an out for your seed. Y’all are some bops who only look at the east way out.
U can't kill ur child emotionally and expect them to love you it won't happen when they get older. I know I live in every day.
@@valeriemoody7879funny how he's "emotionally dead" but can still muster the emotion of hate.
It also falls to the child to grow and understand the parent too. If he had any respect for his father he'd have done his duty as a son, Troy did teach Corry that much, but what he prided over his duty was his emotion. He'd respect his provision and sacrifice and lessons, appreciate them and do his duty to do right by his father like his father did by him. But he can feel all this spite so much for emotionally killed right?
Some ppl can't see beyond themselves.
When you head a family its not possible to make sure everyone is "OK" with your decisions. You do what you think is best. Someone without the insight or the pressure of carrying the load will always second guess and claim how they were "traumatized" by the actions of the person truly under pressure and making the decisions.
@@Dweeble233 exactly
This world will make you bitter.
He told his son be like me but better... You take the good parts of your parents and build on it .. Wallowing in it and complaining and definitely using it as an excuse helps no one .
He described himself because he was just like his Father only difference is his Kids Mother didn't run from him and hung strong.......
Significant improvement if you ask me
Definitely wasn’t like his Father. Big improvement. May not have provided emotional stability, but he provided food and shelter for his family. Wife never left him and damn sure didn’t rape his son’s girlfriend.
The Symbol For HURT PEOPLE...Hurt People!!!!🙏🏾❤️🙏🏾🙏🏾❤️❤️🙏🏾❤️
I'm enjoying Fences for the first time through SHORTS imagine lol
You have to watch the film to really get the full context
Hurt people hurt people.
The sad thing is his son ended up feeling the same way about him 😢😢😢
It was traumatic growing up now I think about it. My father from Alabama had 6 siblings Momma died when he was 14. He used to tell me all of the time "boy, ain't nobody thinking about you!" That took most of my life to process what he meant. Some of the realist words he's ever spoken. Tough love is honest and will hurt ya feelings if mentally unstable
Yes. but we broke the mold. There are people who care about us. First is US. Then God. He tells the fatherless "even if your parents abandon you, I will take u in." Proverbs. and uts true! no imperfect parent can't. but God can. He saved my life. I owe Him everything I have.
Great actors grateful movie
Some these comments demonized this character and to a degree deservingly so BUT at the same time all he knew is what was taught to him. Generational trauma
People were right to demonize the character Troy from the play and movie Fences. He was a nasty character.
Experiencing trauma, particularly childhood trauma is more common than it should be. We all have a choice in who we decide to be in this world, despite the trauma. The character Troy and real life people know how awful it feels like to be on the receiving end of physical and emotional trauma. Knowing this, they still decide to knowlingly inflict trauma on others. Zero introspection or empathy, though they KNOW how it feels. Troy went around dishing hot hurt to the people that loved him, and he was supposed to love. That was an evil character. I have got elders and other family members that spent their lives behaving like Troy.
@@sonnygolden7673this is the human condition in a nutshell bro, I know pain but can't stop myself from hurting others, hurt ppl hurt ppl, we bond to negative exp more than positive ones. Sadly
It's because the character is being played as a black man that is demonized.
@grindhard4312 You know this play was written by a black man, right? The movie adaptation was directed by Denzel Washington himself, a black man that has always advocated for black people. The playwright was born in the 1940's. He saw similar characters in HIS experience, and wrote stories and plays reflecting some of what he saw and experienced.
Troy is a little less of an a-hole than my grandfathers born in 1900 and 1920. This is based on what my mother, father and relatives recounted of their fathers'. Neither of my parents decided to live their lives on demon time, despite their lived experience. The black man, that wrote the play, and the many who have directed it, were not "demonizing" the black man. There were many representations of black men in the play. The Troy character was just one.
@@sonnygolden7673Not if you don't know you 'have a choice,' and most Black men in this era of Jim Crow, didn't have many choices. I can't stand you 'you have a choice' people.
This is the scene where I understood and related to him the most. I get dealing with hurt anger and trauma i still do daily but i also try to find peace and not let that darkness control me and turn me into someone i don't want to be. It's HARD because people life and the world are gonna keep bringing the problems. Peace is the most important thing more than money most would wish for money but some of us want that peace.
My dad was a ruff dude , but he taught me hard work and respect for others , R.I.H DADDY 😢
This guy literally told his wife that their 18-year marriage was just his backup plan until something better came along. He's no different from his father. If anything, he's worse than his father. He's sick.
Its kinda sad. He became a mirror of his father's abuse. And he KNOWS it. But the way he talks, its like he bitterly accepted it
It’s the realization, that he knows he has been just like his father. And like habits, it’s in everything he does
It’s hard to unlearn all that
And than the cycle continues, the sons and mothers speech at the end where he doesn’t want to go to his fathers funeral…. This was so well written
The way Bono look, listening to him 😅 . With the suspenders.
It’s sad he never knew what it meant to be loved, loved by his dad so he grew up repeating what he learned! I have not watched Fences yet but I plan on renting it this weekend. I want to see if it shows Cory brake the damaged generational plan that he was given and create a better life for his son or daughter! I hope he did. The way my mom was raised by her mother, I’m so very grateful my mother worked hard to not become the hateful monster my grandmother was. I was always told my great grandmother was even worse and that’s why my grandma was the way she was. These poor children brought up in so much hatred and trauma, become parents and pass what they know to them and the cycle continues until one fights to make a change.
You can’t give what you don’t have. He had no idea of what good parenting looks like…😢
Powerful. This probably went over most viewers heads
Slavery really did a number on us! so many lost souls, so much trauma and no time to recover.
Today, many bodies are free, but the mind is in chains (⛓️)
@Passionatelyfruits we are all slaves
Slavery!?!? Who shot MLK in the face, and worked with Malcom’s enemies to kill him!? We got to wake up eventually.
Generational curses and trauma in one monologue
That shit is fiction
August Wilson was a master of dialogs 😮
Be careful you don't turn into the thing you hate!!!
I know a bunch of folks like that don’t give af bout they kids and keep having them it’s a crime shame
Brag about how many children they have, but not raising or supporting any of them
I'm convinced that I'm gonna see this whole movie through SHORTS lol
Mother couldn't stand him..... but she had 11 kids?
I feel like this is how Cory will speak of Troy years down the line
Heart felt💯💯💯 i felt every word... I feel the same way... I went through this😭😭😭
Oh my forgiveness and commiting to actively live it is so important, resentment and unforgiveness turns us into the people we so dislike
The Acting in this Film and revelations,ruminating = WoW!
“I hated my father for being such a mean spirited man so in turn I do the same things to my sons” 😂😂😂
He hated his father for being evil but he's not evil he was just hardened and harsh.
He became like his father because he didn't get help for his trauma, and he didn't have any other model of how to be a father. That doesn't excuse HIS behavior, but that's what happens. Imagine having to leave home at 14 to escape an abusive father!! Much of how Black folks raise their kids is a hold over from slavery. Much of how we do ANYTHING is a hold over from slavery. We're traumatized and don't even know it!!
That’s a cold feeling. Running from the chance of becoming your parent only to feel it settling in your blood years later 😮💨
Drunk man spits truth
Beautiful acting& real life❤❤❤❤
One of the most sad, disgusting, and infuriating thing is that a lot of victims of child abuse become abusers themselves.
Generational trauma channeling through this masterclass of actors
Troy never learned how to love and be loved
Not totally true....His wife loved him
@@Passionatelyfruits He didn’t know how to receive it.
@@roushi1361yep which is why he lashed out and he was such a womanizer, he knew that woman loved him but he couldn't accept that love
Denzel Washington ? What an actor ❤❤❤!!! Speaking the truth.
“The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth”- An African Proverb
Generational Trauma will slowly make you become the very thing you hated if you allow it to.
You the Black GOAT of actors and more. You are a credit to our race? Thank you Mr. Washington
Bono looks like he just trying to have a drink without all the complaints
Denzel just takes passion in his rolls.
A MOVIE WITH LIFE LESSONS 🎬
Dang thats deep..
You become like whatever you hate.
Thats why you are called to love your enemy….because if you hate your enemy….guess what you will become?
?
You lost me bruh
@@wearedestinyyth do you love your enemy?
wise words most will never understand it
@@MrBOASTMAN32 yes but I doubt that's why Jesus told us to do it.
Love or hate Troy, he was a provider and embraced his responsibility to his family. Just like HIS father. It struck me how quickly the son was saying how he would have simply left and abandoned the family. Too many readily do this. And not just men.
Let's not get crazy....Troy did not totally embraced his responsibility to his family
He had a responsibility to his wife (to be loyal, trustworthy) and he failed
Troy's father cared nothing about kids...A kid to him wasn't nothing (said by Troy)
That's deep. Like father like son.
Ooooooo weeeee he talking that shit!! This part hit too close to home
Sounds like a case of: like father, like son!
History does repeat itself man, but YOU have the power to break the cycle!🤷🏽♂️
It's ironic: I grew up not really liking my father-though "hate" feels too strong. One positive aspect is that he made me tough. Now that I'm at the same age he was during my childhood, I find myself becoming more like him and understanding him better. That said, he’s still an asshole.
This right here man. Watching my life story right before my very eyes.
Troy provided for his family in his mind he did right by them....
Like Elton John said, " a sad sad situation getting more and more absurd"😢
This scene proves that all the ppl who "hate" this character, have a low level of understanding and probably deal with unforgiveness of their own parents.
This movie is 2 hrs of pain
A man can not truly see his father until he starts to make his own way🎯🎯🎯
Then the world gets big, and your father teachings become a quiet voice to guide you until you cut life down to a size you can handle
I felt the same way about my father at the age of 12 😔 39 years later. My dad and I relationship hasn't changed one bit! For what it's worth. We shouldn't L🧐🧐K back❗What do I know 🤔 God bless everyone in Jesus name, Amen 🙌🏾🙏🏾🙌🏾
Denzel so talented.
And this is why I think his son broke the cycle.
Which one? The one who played football? Did he have a son that he put a roof over and gave sound advice to?
@@geraldking9385
The son is nothing like the father, and hated his ways.
Nah his son did the same thing
@@wearedestinyythif I remember correctly the oldest is the one who finally breaks the cycle, after he begins to truly understand the man before he dies
Every villian has an orgin story.
It’s amazing how we become to things that we despise
Children who have to make their own way make their life hard as they had no parental guidance. It hurts to try to find your way and even learn from consequences.
The way he treated his wife and son is a shame. And inflicted more pain when he had an outside woman and even had the nerve to ask his wife to help raise his daughter when the woman died.
Takes a strong, courageous woman to do that. But for me, I would have left when he said he had a side piece and refused to give her up. Same story I had. Awful. But I raised my son. Thats all u can do.
Bottom line ? He was human and so was his father . Damaged ? Absolutely . Survivors ? Yep
Owing the devil money is crazy work 😂
Denzel, Denzel, Denzel.
You are the man's man, and I've always respected what you stood for. Movies and real life.
Thanks for voting real.
Latinas for Trump 45 and POTUS 47.
Denzel Washington is so blessed.
I hope everyone who saw this film took special attention to this scene in which Troy defines the roots of his pain and I'll treatment of others. This is where the people impacted by the pain at the hands of others must say to themselves as Jesus did on the cross - it is Finished! No more will I allow my body to be a vessel of that pain to inflict upon others, and then those I hurt pass that hurt on to one generation after the next. Troy had the power he chose not to exercise. Now, it's in the hands of Lyons and Corey to exercise those generational demons.
Sometimes it’s hard to shake your environment. You become a product or rise above it.
This movie was definition of a generational curse
As much as I hate Troy, I'm beginning to understand why he's the way he is. But at the same time, he's no better than his father.
August Wilson is the author of this play/movie Fences
Those generational curses
Why do people always have to blame their parents for their problems when at the end of the day you need to own up your actions.
Generational trauma is very real
Man this movie was 🐐
This is why men have forgotten about the role of a father. Troy have never been properly guided and he also does the same thing to his sons which in turn his sons to their children. So and so forth. How far have they fallen away from God. Children are God's gift. Being a father is more than just provide food and shelter. Its an honor. Its a privilege.
“I could feel him kicking in my blood.”
I been avoiding this film… imma give it some spin though
Me too 😢
People seem to miss the point when it comes to Troy.
Sum I like about this movie is that there isn’t really a bad guy. everyone is going through sum and acts based on it. And even when Troy does sum terrible you can always see where he’s coming from. when you understand his backstory and mindset it really starts to make sense
Sheesh😅 I feel like I’ve watched this whole movie through shorts and it is MAD DEPRESSING. Denzel’s role is a piece
of shit 😂
Note he mentioned leaving home at 14. A kid today wouldn't have a clue. Indeed I left home at 18. My kids could never do that. They were raised too sheltered and with everything they needed. In hindsight a mistake.
No it wasn't!! I don't know you or your kids, but I believe they will be fine. Better than they would be had you not "sheltered" them. Think about your trauma, and the demons you had to fight.
All they would need is......their cell..ear pods and iPad/computer
Some learn from the mistakes of others. Some don't.
He didn't try to kick the blood outta his son though...... he was a good man with bad habits...
Classic Movie.