I feel like they were hard done by the fact is was a great year for weird entries. There were stronger acts in that lane which (I suspect) scooped up votes that would have gone to them in less spectacularly strange years. Their final score did feel really at odds with how great and fun it was.
My hot take? We need the juries to prevent block voting, but there should be a fair process to decide who IS the jury. They might even consider having a vote among Eurovision fans to decide who is in the jury for their country. Abolishing the jury won't necessarily be good for the contest outcomes, even though I desperately wanted Finland to win this year. Additionally, the juries should show some kind of form explaining how they gave points to each song. Give some kind of argumentation why they awarded points. Also, I need to mention, these are such fun categories for the overthinkies!
After seeing how the juries influenced the winners in the past years, I'd rather have no juries than these juries - yes, they saved some great songs from bottom places, but that pales in comparison to choosing a worse winner than the one chosen by the public alone. But yes, having a much better jury selection would be ideal. They should be from different generations and from a varied number of music backgrounds for sure, I'm tired of certain genres getting the upper hand even with mediocre songs while exceptional songs in other genres get nothing. Additionally over 75% of the juries giving 10/12 points to the same song should be an oddity, not a common occurrence. No matter how good a song is, I find it weird that juries from different countries with different cultures would appreciate the exact same song out of 26... it's almost as if it happens just to make the public vote almost useless (not saying that is the actual explanation, just how it feels like to me).
Done!! Funny poll... But I was expecting the Konstraka award too 😅 you know the most overthinked song of the season... I would say this year we had very good competition between Austria, Croatia, Serbia and a couple more haha But well, just saying...
Gutted for Germany totally didnt deserve that result. They can hold their head up high they didnt compromise and were so kind and generous to everyone in Liverpool. Germany should be proud of how the represented them
I don't care what anyone says. Sweden did not deserve to win. The people voted for Cha Cha Cha. Also, Loreen has already won Eurovision before. It's a shitty thing to do and go again with basically the same song. Compare both Euphoria and Tattoo, there isn't really much difference, they sound the same. This is also exactly what happend with Spirit in the sky who also won the people. The jury sucks.
So many deserved better scores from the juries. Spain was pure art both musically and visually. Who the hell are the juries...and what are their criteria?
Aw man! Not only did ESC's refusal to accept my credit card rob me of my first chance to vote in Eurovision, my own delay in watching this video has robbed me of the chance to vote in the real contest! Seriously, though, I look forward to seeing the results.
Was disappointed that Austria, Estonia, and Czechia didn't do better. All amazing. Italy and Belgium shouldn't have been near the top, and Israel and Sweden were higher than deserved as well, though they were good. Would have liked to see France and Croatia do better too, but I'm not surprised about those really.
Just a general observation 48 hours out of the final: I'm not seeing a lot of discussions about the winner/final on my UA-cam feed, or even when I dig a bit deeper. Are people avoiding talking about this result?
all of these nominations are very funny, hope you post some optional nomination answers in the next video, i want to read what other people have written
My personal top 10: Finland Czechia Estonia Norway Sweden Austria (though their performance wasn't great, so maybe lower really) Cyprus France Israel Croatia Honorable mentions to Lithuania, Poland, and Serbia. There were very few outright bad songs though. I still liked Germany a lot and they came last.
Nah am so disappointed about the results, France Serbia Portugal were underrated in both votes and concerning Norway at least justice been made for them. You're telling me Spain shall have a lower score than Croatia? Nah be for real. Countries like Armenia and Austria have been robbed so hard and that's such a shame basically Croatia got more than both of them combined in terms of televotes. Concerning Slovenia i think am gonna break my laptop in rage about those results. BUT THE MOST ABSURDE RESULT IS AUSTRALIA BEING 9th?????? TF IS THIS EUROVISION EDITION? Sweden performance was in my opinion the worst performance she ever delivered but because jury votes 1 day earlier it was rigged in advance. A lot of things to change and am not even talking about iru not getting to grand final
@@zesky6654 they just came and trolled i mean they deserved their points but it's not as good as other countries that are behind them for example spain austria or even armenia
I think juries are cool and necessary, but they need power taken away to like 25% of the voting. The favoritism was not surprising, but a bit disappointing
Personally, I would relish the excesses of weirdness and gimmicks that would be likely to happen if they totally got rid of the jury. Changing it to a 75%/25% split is definitely a compromise I'd be happy with, though. They'd have to come up with a different order/approach to announcing the results, though. Maybe announce all jury votes in one big bunch like the do with the televote now, but do it first. It would be wrenching to watch victory snatched away from a fun entry at the last moment, but it would probably make for good television waiting to see whether the televote could pull a good act out of the hole dug by the jury.
Totally. The semifinal results were almost perfect without the jury and this was an amazing final thanks to it. Comparing Tattoo with most of the other acts makes it obvious that the juries chose Loreen as the winner without even listening to the other songs.
@@vuivraalbastra Sweden's live performance was bad, and it's almost like they're intentionally having Sweden host for the 50th anniversary of ABBA winning.
Unpopular opinion: Germany is overrated by fans. Did it deserve 0 points? Probably not. Was it a good song? Not in my opinion. As a rock fan, I expect it to be interesting, for there to be meaning. Aside from incorporating some ballad elements, it didn't do anything for me. It felt bland and performative. At least I expect my pop to be generic, which is why a pop song will tend to be more popular than a generic rock song. A rock song enjoyed by the mainstream is a feat. It's why Maneskin is an undisputed winner in my book. They were the definition of substance.
Yeah, it's not a bad song and was performed very well, but as a rock song it's just... there, I've heard many songs like it before and I don't listen to this genre that often. I wouldn't place Germany over any other country than UK and Poland (who was a generic dance song picked through corruption).
My very personal ranking would have been: Finland Spain Italy Portugal Cyprus Croatia Israel Austria Czechia Ukraine France Lithuania Serbia Belgium Estonia Armenia Sweden
Can we take a second to appreciate how good the Balkans were despite the result? Armenia, Serbia, Croatia, and Czechia SO GOOD. 12 points to Slovenia from the UK! You were all at the very top of my personal rankings for this finale.
Lord of the Lost has delivered a fantastic show. They did not deserve to come last. The Swedish song is an assemblage of existing songs so I don’t get how this is in compliance with the ESC rules.
Loreen basically got crowned by the jury.. Look at the public votes that Finland needed to win. Even Norway got almost as many public points as Sweden. If every year, the public vote differs so much from the jury, maybe it's time to greatly lessen their impact.
They're not in a bubble. It's just that some of them were born in the 50s and 60s and are out of touch. I can't believe pension-age juries are allowed, it's just atrocious.
Some of them are not old but still musicians that no one heard of or of little renown. What we want is juries who can assess the quality of a performance regardless of genre because, as of now, it's obvious that they prefer cookie-cutter pop songs with good vocals and dismiss most songs that stray from that specific formula.
Sweden did not deserve to win, peoples main reason for voting for the song is that it would be amazing for someone to win twice besides Ireland. Although it is a song contest, not a popularity contest. Personally, the song was euphoria part two. Czechia or Israel should’ve won. I still cannot fathom how Belgium placed higher than Estonia and Czechia. Although, if I want someone to steal the Mona Lisa with me, Austria seems like the greatest solution.
France and Austria should have gotten more votes. And Kaarija should have won. Gutted by Lithuania's and Belgium's (fake Boy George) success. Lithuania's song was especially irritant and bad. Israel shouldn't have gotten so many jury votes because it's far from being that good.
I did a whole analysis of what things would look like with a slightly weighted public voting system (keep current system for juries but award 15-12-10-8-7-6-5-4-2-1 points for televote), and the only top 10 change would have been Croatia jumping Czechia for the top 10. I know folks loved Käärijä and I did too. But Loreen won because she slayed the juries and got a whole lot of televotes as well. Not the result I wanted, but she 100 percent deserves it. The one I don't get is Spain. PB was brilliant and her performance was so brave. Dead last in televote was a crime. Like... there's "this song didn't hit" scores, and then there's "this song finished dead last" scores. And I don't understand how, for instance, folks look at this song vis a vis the performances of acts like Portugal or Albania and have it come out that decisively against Spain.
I do not like conspiracy theories, but this time I can't stop thinking that next year it is 50 years since ABBA won, so Sweden had to win to make a beautiful return of ESC to ABBA's country. Only Loreen is no ABBA. I am pissed at how the juries stole Finland's victory. They probably saw that in the first semi Finland had way higher points than Sweden, and decided to just make Finland lose with such a bang that no people's voting could repair that. This brings us to why we need the jury, what is their function and how they are chosen. I understand that these people cannot tell a good successful song from a mediocre one. Loreen is a perfect professional in technicality, but she is mediocre in talent and modernity. She had a chance to rise after she won in 2012, but she just could not. She is not a pop star, she doesn't have the x-factor. If she had, she would just come and give a guest performance and would wow everyone. By competing this year she has taken away Finland's chance to win, as well as so many fans' belief in justice. When the jury was voting it reminded me of Russian voting for Putin. Whatever we, millions of fans, think, it will be Putin. Oh, sorry, Loreen. I hope she felt something when she was keeping getting the jury points, but the crowd chanted "cha-cha-cha".
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Gutted for Germany's placement to be honest. I thought they gave a captivating, energetic performance.
Germany deserved at very least the middle of the pack.
Yup, that was an incredibly easy question to answer.
It really would be interesting to know who Germany did't get more points. We need a deeper analysis for that.
@@Pehmokettu Definitely. My go-to explaination would be that Finland and Australia already gathered all the hard rock fans.
I feel like they were hard done by the fact is was a great year for weird entries. There were stronger acts in that lane which (I suspect) scooped up votes that would have gone to them in less spectacularly strange years. Their final score did feel really at odds with how great and fun it was.
It's impossible to choose only 1 song for the Fulenn award, I couldn't believe my ears when I saw the total scores for Serbia, Austria, Spain etc.
Agreed! I thought France, Portugal, and Albania would place higher too
And Portugal. Portugal was very good, this year.
My hot take? We need the juries to prevent block voting, but there should be a fair process to decide who IS the jury. They might even consider having a vote among Eurovision fans to decide who is in the jury for their country. Abolishing the jury won't necessarily be good for the contest outcomes, even though I desperately wanted Finland to win this year.
Additionally, the juries should show some kind of form explaining how they gave points to each song. Give some kind of argumentation why they awarded points.
Also, I need to mention, these are such fun categories for the overthinkies!
After seeing how the juries influenced the winners in the past years, I'd rather have no juries than these juries - yes, they saved some great songs from bottom places, but that pales in comparison to choosing a worse winner than the one chosen by the public alone. But yes, having a much better jury selection would be ideal. They should be from different generations and from a varied number of music backgrounds for sure, I'm tired of certain genres getting the upper hand even with mediocre songs while exceptional songs in other genres get nothing. Additionally over 75% of the juries giving 10/12 points to the same song should be an oddity, not a common occurrence. No matter how good a song is, I find it weird that juries from different countries with different cultures would appreciate the exact same song out of 26... it's almost as if it happens just to make the public vote almost useless (not saying that is the actual explanation, just how it feels like to me).
Done!! Funny poll... But I was expecting the Konstraka award too 😅 you know the most overthinked song of the season... I would say this year we had very good competition between Austria, Croatia, Serbia and a couple more haha
But well, just saying...
That’s a great category! I’d vote for Croatia on that one!
@@suppohkram Me too 🚜
Gutted for Germany totally didnt deserve that result. They can hold their head up high they didnt compromise and were so kind and generous to everyone in Liverpool. Germany should be proud of how the represented them
This poll was so fun! 🎉 I hope you enjoy my answers 😂
I’m sure we will! Thanks!
I don't care what anyone says. Sweden did not deserve to win. The people voted for Cha Cha Cha. Also, Loreen has already won Eurovision before. It's a shitty thing to do and go again with basically the same song. Compare both Euphoria and Tattoo, there isn't really much difference, they sound the same. This is also exactly what happend with Spirit in the sky who also won the people. The jury sucks.
We wont remember Euphoria part II by the end of next week
@@mendesjosr4438 yeah cha cha cha is memorable and unique tattoo is just euphoria and by the end of this month nobody will care about loreen anymore
We stand with «its crazy, its party» (and ukraine) anyday!
@@verybigboytree2763 there were differences between his songs
Tattoo is not a good song. The middle of the board was its place.
So many deserved better scores from the juries. Spain was pure art both musically and visually. Who the hell are the juries...and what are their criteria?
Spain did fine with the juries
Right - the shock was that she was dead last in the public televote.
@@HiImLerazzo 9th is good, but still too low. Spain should have been minimum top 3 with juries if they were objective.
Enjoy your honeymoon! You deserve it! 🎉
Aw man! Not only did ESC's refusal to accept my credit card rob me of my first chance to vote in Eurovision, my own delay in watching this video has robbed me of the chance to vote in the real contest! Seriously, though, I look forward to seeing the results.
Fulenn Memorial Award...lol
Was disappointed that Austria, Estonia, and Czechia didn't do better. All amazing.
Italy and Belgium shouldn't have been near the top, and Israel and Sweden were higher than deserved as well, though they were good.
Would have liked to see France and Croatia do better too, but I'm not surprised about those really.
Spain! I'm so shocked about Spain's televote, she deserved SO much better! 😥😥
Just a general observation 48 hours out of the final: I'm not seeing a lot of discussions about the winner/final on my UA-cam feed, or even when I dig a bit deeper. Are people avoiding talking about this result?
When are you going to start 2024? So many awesome things
all of these nominations are very funny, hope you post some optional nomination answers in the next video, i want to read what other people have written
My personal top 10:
Finland
Czechia
Estonia
Norway
Sweden
Austria (though their performance wasn't great, so maybe lower really)
Cyprus
France
Israel
Croatia
Honorable mentions to Lithuania, Poland, and Serbia. There were very few outright bad songs though. I still liked Germany a lot and they came last.
Nah am so disappointed about the results, France Serbia Portugal were underrated in both votes and concerning Norway at least justice been made for them. You're telling me Spain shall have a lower score than Croatia? Nah be for real. Countries like Armenia and Austria have been robbed so hard and that's such a shame basically Croatia got more than both of them combined in terms of televotes. Concerning Slovenia i think am gonna break my laptop in rage about those results. BUT THE MOST ABSURDE RESULT IS AUSTRALIA BEING 9th?????? TF IS THIS EUROVISION EDITION? Sweden performance was in my opinion the worst performance she ever delivered but because jury votes 1 day earlier it was rigged in advance. A lot of things to change and am not even talking about iru not getting to grand final
Croatia deserved every point they got. They took risks and gave us something we won't forget for years to come.
@@zesky6654 🇭🇷🇭🇷the only song I know all the words for.
@@zesky6654 they just came and trolled i mean they deserved their points but it's not as good as other countries that are behind them for example spain austria or even armenia
I think juries are cool and necessary, but they need power taken away to like 25% of the voting. The favoritism was not surprising, but a bit disappointing
Personally, I would relish the excesses of weirdness and gimmicks that would be likely to happen if they totally got rid of the jury. Changing it to a 75%/25% split is definitely a compromise I'd be happy with, though.
They'd have to come up with a different order/approach to announcing the results, though. Maybe announce all jury votes in one big bunch like the do with the televote now, but do it first. It would be wrenching to watch victory snatched away from a fun entry at the last moment, but it would probably make for good television waiting to see whether the televote could pull a good act out of the hole dug by the jury.
The juries need to be abolished.
Agreed, they cause the biggest disappointments.
Normally i'm in favour of the juries, but this was sooooo obviously rigged to get the 50th anniversary in Sweden... I'm just livid.
Agreed, the riggory is just shameless at this point.
Totally. The semifinal results were almost perfect without the jury and this was an amazing final thanks to it. Comparing Tattoo with most of the other acts makes it obvious that the juries chose Loreen as the winner without even listening to the other songs.
@@vuivraalbastra Sweden's live performance was bad, and it's almost like they're intentionally having Sweden host for the 50th anniversary of ABBA winning.
Hi guys! When will we have the results???
It was announced at the end of the wrapup video: ua-cam.com/video/IMyfIbwrLuk/v-deo.html
Oops. I accidentally responded twice. I hope you can delete one of my responses. Can't wait for the results!
Unpopular opinion: Germany is overrated by fans.
Did it deserve 0 points? Probably not. Was it a good song? Not in my opinion. As a rock fan, I expect it to be interesting, for there to be meaning. Aside from incorporating some ballad elements, it didn't do anything for me. It felt bland and performative.
At least I expect my pop to be generic, which is why a pop song will tend to be more popular than a generic rock song.
A rock song enjoyed by the mainstream is a feat. It's why Maneskin is an undisputed winner in my book. They were the definition of substance.
Yeah, it's not a bad song and was performed very well, but as a rock song it's just... there, I've heard many songs like it before and I don't listen to this genre that often. I wouldn't place Germany over any other country than UK and Poland (who was a generic dance song picked through corruption).
My very personal ranking would have been:
Finland
Spain
Italy
Portugal
Cyprus
Croatia
Israel
Austria
Czechia
Ukraine
France
Lithuania
Serbia
Belgium
Estonia
Armenia
Sweden
none of these dosn't matter becose jury will say that you will sing hallelujah on toilet no mater what you want.
Mae muller can not sing
Can we take a second to appreciate how good the Balkans were despite the result? Armenia, Serbia, Croatia, and Czechia SO GOOD. 12 points to Slovenia from the UK! You were all at the very top of my personal rankings for this finale.
Lord of the Lost has delivered a fantastic show. They did not deserve to come last. The Swedish song is an assemblage of existing songs so I don’t get how this is in compliance with the ESC rules.
Loreen basically got crowned by the jury.. Look at the public votes that Finland needed to win. Even Norway got almost as many public points as Sweden. If every year, the public vote differs so much from the jury, maybe it's time to greatly lessen their impact.
It is absurd that the winner of Eurovision didn't win the public vote in ANY SINGLE country.
People, before you say anything about the results, stop and OVERTHINK for a bit.
Got any hot takes for us?
@@overthinkingit Sweden did not deserve to win, my "hot take".
@@overthinkingit Voting for ROTW should be cheaper.
I worry that the juries might be in as big a bubble as the ESC fandom.
They're not in a bubble. It's just that some of them were born in the 50s and 60s and are out of touch. I can't believe pension-age juries are allowed, it's just atrocious.
Some of them are not old but still musicians that no one heard of or of little renown. What we want is juries who can assess the quality of a performance regardless of genre because, as of now, it's obvious that they prefer cookie-cutter pop songs with good vocals and dismiss most songs that stray from that specific formula.
I'm afraid my faves will be underrated even in the Fulenn award😅
I’d blame the juries for giving us Loreen over Käärijä but they did prefer Sam last year so sometimes they’re right
Sweden did not deserve to win, peoples main reason for voting for the song is that it would be amazing for someone to win twice besides Ireland. Although it is a song contest, not a popularity contest. Personally, the song was euphoria part two. Czechia or Israel should’ve won. I still cannot fathom how Belgium placed higher than Estonia and Czechia.
Although, if I want someone to steal the Mona Lisa with me, Austria seems like the greatest solution.
France and Austria should have gotten more votes. And Kaarija should have won. Gutted by Lithuania's and Belgium's (fake Boy George) success. Lithuania's song was especially irritant and bad. Israel shouldn't have gotten so many jury votes because it's far from being that good.
truly this channel is a ray of light after my dissapointment
I did a whole analysis of what things would look like with a slightly weighted public voting system (keep current system for juries but award 15-12-10-8-7-6-5-4-2-1 points for televote), and the only top 10 change would have been Croatia jumping Czechia for the top 10. I know folks loved Käärijä and I did too. But Loreen won because she slayed the juries and got a whole lot of televotes as well. Not the result I wanted, but she 100 percent deserves it.
The one I don't get is Spain. PB was brilliant and her performance was so brave. Dead last in televote was a crime. Like... there's "this song didn't hit" scores, and then there's "this song finished dead last" scores. And I don't understand how, for instance, folks look at this song vis a vis the performances of acts like Portugal or Albania and have it come out that decisively against Spain.
I do not like conspiracy theories, but this time I can't stop thinking that next year it is 50 years since ABBA won, so Sweden had to win to make a beautiful return of ESC to ABBA's country. Only Loreen is no ABBA. I am pissed at how the juries stole Finland's victory. They probably saw that in the first semi Finland had way higher points than Sweden, and decided to just make Finland lose with such a bang that no people's voting could repair that.
This brings us to why we need the jury, what is their function and how they are chosen. I understand that these people cannot tell a good successful song from a mediocre one. Loreen is a perfect professional in technicality, but she is mediocre in talent and modernity. She had a chance to rise after she won in 2012, but she just could not. She is not a pop star, she doesn't have the x-factor. If she had, she would just come and give a guest performance and would wow everyone. By competing this year she has taken away Finland's chance to win, as well as so many fans' belief in justice. When the jury was voting it reminded me of Russian voting for Putin. Whatever we, millions of fans, think, it will be Putin. Oh, sorry, Loreen. I hope she felt something when she was keeping getting the jury points, but the crowd chanted "cha-cha-cha".
It was such a weak year. Even though I could finally vote, I didn’t care to, which is not like me at all.