--- That has been already planned to happen: It was mentioned in one the "WAN-Show"-sessions that they'd need to first get the automation done for the report creation and publishling. ---
That noise cancellation comparison histogram is awesome. I want to see a bunch of headphones compared. It would also be smart to compare the areas under each curve and then you could give relative performance percentages
Awesome to see the noise cancellation data from the labs! One suggestion no review site has yet tested to my knowledge: Test the noise isolation for single sharp or blunt noises (doors slamming, cutlery clinking, etc.). I have noticed big differences in my (many) ANC products there. Cheers!
Some i had tended to overcompensate which sounds like a heavy bass. Bunch of cutlery hitting a drawer insert is a great test - at least a great test at home^^
These are an improvement over the 1st gen buds. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxK5mc3yw4xA7Mf2j6k6n1Uqv_KUgrKdeM Pros: The fit is fantastic. This is the biggest plus. They stay in my ears when running and become unnoticeable. They are tight but comfortable. The sound quality is about the same as the 1st gen buds. They pair more easily with my LG G8 ThinQ and immediately reconnect when removed from the case. The sound balance is excellent, good but not overpowering base and clean mid tones and highs.Cons: The noise cancellation is good but perhaps a little less effective than the Bose ANC on the 1st gen buds. Passthrough mode as not as good as the 1st gen buds making it a little more difficult to hear conversations when in passthrough.
I think that the options to "relax" and "focus" are just there to show the users that they can make custom profiles. Given the pencil icon I think thats where they want to steer you
Just a clarification, you can change the Apple decibel limit. The decibel limit is linked to your phone not the AirPods themselves. So the Apple wired headphones also adhere to the limit. You can change the limit in steps of 5db from 70db to 100db in Settings > Sounds & Haptics > Headphone Safety. Personally I have mine set to 80db so that I can “blast” the audio at max volume. However due to the limit, the loud sounds are brought down while the soft sounds are left alone at a higher volume. Thus, it is great when listening to videos at 2x speed where speech can fluctuate in intensity.
Graphs in Short Circuit feel a little antithetical, at least in terms of why the channel originally (as stated) was started: quick looks at products that didn't really meet the main LTT channel format. Not really opposed though, it's a fun deeper look without needing to be a review, and it give the Labs folks something to do now that they can't pretend to work on the screwdriver for another year or two (just kidding, I love the driver).
I LOVE this video! is there a video that compares more models together at once with the ANC graphs? those are awesome, always in search of the best anc to block out voices and crying babies on flights
Graphs are illegible (on my phone with meh resolution). Really cool that you are including these but some editing is appreciated, like thicker lines and bigger fonts
As an owner of the Bose 700 and the first gen QC Earbuds I can say that the biggest letdown is the software. It's pretty bad in general with pairing between multiple devices. It often won't find the buds in the app even though it's connected. It's much buggier on Android than iOS.
the labs results are really nice, though having someone do the linus test of comfort by lying down and seeing if you could sleep with them in would be really helpful too I think
I've owned the bose for about a month, easily the best noise canceling around but the transparency is shit right now. I replaced it because of mono mode issues and the second pair sounded the same and i found out the bose rep lied mono mode is broken and not fully supported right now. I wore them the whole week for vacation and struggled to keep up with conversation because it would randomly start to noise cancel. However i wore them to the shooting range and i couldn't tell people were shooting, it picked up the shot and silenced it easily in transparency. My pairs had no hissing at all. Also, my pair had independent volume, the buds and phone were not sync'd and i had to max out phone and control with buds.
I have a love hate relationship with my Bose QC2, I moved to Bose after some years on AirPod. Frustrating is an understatement; connecting the QC is so annoying, keeps going on and off. I would trade in an heartbeat the superior sound quality of QC2 for the bulletproof seamless apple AirPod connectivity. The built quality on the QC2 are not even close to the Apple AirPods especially the case.
The Bose QC Earbuds 2 lost me on the case size (too big), want one that fits in the coin pocket though some modern pants have “tech pocket” now inside.
I tried the Apple ones and they just will not stay in my ear. Also, the sound quality is better than in the past versions but the base just cannot compare to the Bose.
Cant LTT Create a 3D Model of a ear or snag it from Ear Doctors office, and get it mic'd up so we can hear what the buds actually sound like verses describing the sound in detail.
Glad to see the graphs from labs. Wondering if there can be testing at lower than 74 db. Maybe that will come by once their good Test chamber is setup (To help with signal to noise ratio with lower volumes)
Surprised that you didn't mention the lack of wireless charging and multipoint pairing, which is a big deal on $300 earbuds. I like the Labs graphs for some objectivity in the review, but I like when you spend more time talking about features and your impressions (comfort, usability of touch controls, ...)
I don't care about that; I have them. My three biggest area of concerns are: one sound quality, secure fit, during workouts, and noise cancellation, because I use them in a noisy gym environment. Bose covers everything hands down. Hands down the best for me.
I don't dish out 599 bucks for wireless charging that can be had on cheapo walmart earphones. It's the ANC that people pay for and in that category the Bose QC Earbuds 2 are the new King for both human voice and plane cabin noise cancellation. ShortCircuit got it wrong with their frequency interpretations. Now, multipoint is indeed a feature it should have, but it's still not a deal breaker. The ANC, Comfort and well-rounded sound stage are just too good.
Multipoint is handy jumping from mobile to tablet to laptop. Qc earbuds v. 1 have the Multipoint, switching from the single button on the case and it is really handy. Also the ability of each bud to work independently would be nice.
Sony wf 1000mx with Final Audio Type E eartips are amazing if anyone is looking for a great alternative. ANC to Ambient mode is all you need of ambient mode is good enough imo. I toggled between the three on my Sony's and ended up just removing the off mode in the settings.
@@iicalcipheriim the battery life is great on the wf1000 mx4 and I found for my ears that the foam would fatigue my ears. The tips I recommended, for many ears will likely be less fatiguing. Also I was unable to notice a loss in audio quality or seal. It's possible the foam tips would be fine in your ears, but for me I had to find something else. The one I mentioned are comfortable and comes in a kit with a lot of sizes so you out can find a great fit.
James trying to explain a lot of this, and make it sensible to us laymen, was taking every muscle in his body + pure skill, and I appreciate him putting in the work! 😂 ❤
There's no Harman Kardon target, it's just the Harman target. Also it's not what "artist intended" it's just what most people prefer (theoretically). Many people find this target too bass heavy (in-ear target)
I’ve had problem with my unit. When running I felt a pop in my ears, kind of similar to pushing and releasing them while they are in ears. That is not that annoying as similar thing while driving in public transport on uneven road, the same happens but way more often, which becomes painful. I had to give them back to service, so they can check if this is my unit problem, but I think it’s software. It’s trying to cancel all of the vibrations from uneven road which it can’t do. Although when you’re not moving sound quality is great and anc too. Case is annoyingly big tho, switching from Apple. And there is a problem of switching source and connection on iPhone. Had somebody have this problem?
Sorry, but you got it wrong. Human speech is typically between 80Hz to 255Hz, which means the AirPods don't cancel out human speech better than the Bose QC Earbuds 2. You referred to the mid-range which would be in the 300Hz to 1kHz range in your graph. Aliens from another galaxy may speak in that frequency but John Doe and Susy Smith from planet earth don't. The graph also shows that the Bose are better at cancelling out plane cabin noise which in your graph is roughly between the 1kHz and 10kHz range.
I'm a little worried over the fact that ANC is basically always on with these buds. ANC has to utilize the microphones on the buds, which means there's always a risk that it'll start picking up wind. My current buds (sony wf sp800n) are AWFUL with ANC. If I use them to go running or biking outside with ANC on, I will constantly be hearing wind noises. Having the ability to turn it off and be 100% sure it won't be picking up any wind is very important.
I have these. I had issues using them with my Pixel 4a. During a work meeting on Meet, it'd work fine, but if my phone received a call during the work meeting, the earbuds would get kicked off as an audio device and after I finished rejecting the call, the work meeting audio would come out the phone speaker instead of the Bluetooth like when I started the meeting.
Ok I guess I’m the only one that is overwhelmed with the graphs. I mainly want to know the user experience, sound quality, design and features. Just how it feels to daily. I mean we mainly stream compressed music over Bluetooth while doing some kind of activity…
Great to see FR graphs, however.. the explanation around why the response wasn’t flat doesn’t make sense. A human can pickup on volume differences across the range. Mid range is no different and having a FR that dips in the middle isn’t to address some shortcoming with the human hears, it’s just how HK have produced the headphones.
So even though you guys did good reviews of them, I'm still not sure how the Liberty stuff from Anker doesn't make the top list (or even beat Apple)? Most of the ones you guys seem to like the most have shit bass. The one outstanding feature is that you get to hear all the bands equally with the Liberty offerings.
Bose has always fit a lot better for me. AirPods have hand a loose hanging fit and most other have the plung style. Bose sits somewhere in between with the wings. But they need to bring back the multi device supposed. It’s annoying to find the case and keep manually switching between my pc and phone
I disagree with "tap on volume slider should set to that level" as my phone registers phantom touches here and there and I like the small protection from bleeding ear drums.
Oh Bose all the way. From the review it seems like there's not much difference. I will not be locked into Apples eco system with their admittedly headache inducing customer support. That said, if you're already in Apples eco system, why not right? Plus their case has a metal hinge... Why are more people not doing that? Doesn't save that much in the long run.
What kind of noise do you use for the ANC graph? Because as I understand these don’t cancel the noise in real time, they have to predict what the noise will be like in the next few milliseconds, and getting that right is both difficult and affects the real world performance a lot.
Idk man, I got my pixel buds pro and I've been very happy with them. Great sound, easy to use, consistent, good battery life, good case, and good noise cancelling.
I have the QC Gen 1 and the shark fin ear tips are amazingly secure. I can run while wearing them without any fear of them falling out. The complete opposite of the Sony XM4, B&W Pi7 and AirPods. The QC Gen 1 also sound better than AirPods Pro Gen 1. I hate that Bose chose this new design to make them have a slimmer profile to match Apple.
Love that you guys finally explained what all these new graphes mean! All the ones from the last time were just "nice lines" without much explanation what they actually mean.
WF1000 XM4 from Sony. Went original airpods to galaxy buds to Sony. They are very very good. I get this channel content but it'd be nice to not focus on only an apple product. Hoping labs changes this across channels. EDIT: Are they better than my Sony earbuds? That's my problem
check out crinacle's videos. based on objective measurements the xm3s are actually "better" than the xm4s with the galaxy buds pro 2nd gen performing the best in terms of sound out of all the popular twses
@@damushroomlord he talks about tuning but the xm4 whoops xm3 ass for detail ...a smidge of eq and it's way better...different signature fe the xm3 ofc...
One of the most important things to know for me is. What about phone conversations? can they filter out the noise around me, so it only focuses on my voice? or will the person on the other end hear everything around me aswell ?
Not a fan of this format for this channel - I don't think we really needed LTT try to do auiodphile stuff... since you pretty much measured a non-audiophile product. Why not just let us know if it's good or not - and not pretend like you "leveled up" for an audience that doesnt really care about the graphs + would go to audio-specific channels to hear the opinion of people with real expertise. Also graphs do not show if a headphone is actually good to actual ears.
I love seeing objective data on things that most times are up to a reviewers preferences. These graphs are super helpful and well made. The explanation along with them was perfect as well. Good job labs!
These are my dailies and they are excellent. My only complaint is the case. The lid and case overall seems cheap and not a as solid as others. And the leaving off wireless charging in 2022 is head-scratching.
Great overview. I bought the AAP2 and don't have an iPhone. Works well for what I want. The Bose I heard were a little noisy in the passthru but..... My wife may take these AP and I may just get the Bose if I'm looking to burn 300 bucks.. hmm...
Mixed feelings about this video. I love the Labs data, I hate the complete lack of comparison to Sony's wf1000 xm4. I know it's not exactly the point of this channel but I'm in this moment trying to figure out what I want and it would be super helpful
I actually prefer the noise canceling to focus on the lows and highs rather than mids as it makes it is more likely to cancel the machinery, which is what my goal is 90% of the time. I also work on a dock with a lot of machinery though so that noise is all around me. I am also not sure how I feel about the inability to actually turn off the ANC.
You won't be disappointed by the Bose QC Earbuds 2 in that department for cancelling out machinery noise. In the graph you can see that it's exactly these frequency ranges on the left and right side that the Bose are better than the Airpods, while the Airpods are only better in the mids which is neither human voice nor machinery noise.
That volume "pumping" behavior is something that small gigging bands with cheap/poor quality PA systems, specifically ones without separate subwoofers and crossover filters, can often struggle with. You have a so-so PA setup, you mic up the kick drum, and whenever the drummer stomps on that all other sound is lost for a moment. To my understanding that's both because you just need a lot more power to create bass sounds (need to move a lot more air for the same perceived loudness as mid and high tones, which means larger speaker movements, since you can't move it more often (frequency and all that), which takes more power) and it's easy to overpower the cheaper gear, and also because when the woofer element is going nuts trying to produce the bass thumps it can't physically react as well to the mid and higher frequencies. As a bass player I also notice this "bass needs power" issue with amplifiers, a 25W guitar combo (amplifier with a built in speaker(s)) is usually entirely capable of going louder than my 300W bass amplifier with a 4x10" speaker cab...
probably bc a 25 watt combo might be a tube amp whereas your bass amp is not. tube wattage and solid state is very different. 25 watt tube is very loud
@@jakewilliams6128 I know, but I've also played with tube amps and 100W tube bass amp doesn't go anywhere near as far as even a 50W guitar combo will (300W Ampeg got pretty loud, to be fair). That's why there are so many 200 and 300W tube bass amps, let alone the 500-1000W solid state ones, while guitarists make do with 25, 50 or at the high end 100W amps. There are some with more power, but for example checking Thomann right now there are like 10 tube heads with over 100W, and like 50 100W heads.
Just get Soundcore, the Life air 3i or whatever is what I use and they are fantastic for $50. 1/6 the price. $150 for wireless charging and touch controls, if that matters to you.
Like all other earbuds, the Airpods wouldn't stay in my ear and they really hurt. Bose was a clear winner just for being able to even stay put. They also happen to be comfy, although a little less than the last generation, and they have amazing sound quality. I am so happy with the smaller case and noise cancellation. I tested the sound blockage out today while at a completely holiday packed grocery store and it was like I was the only person there with Pandora playing. Without music, it was like being in a crowd with a few people whispering.
I for one only trust audio reviews if they're by a loud Australian drummer explaining frequency curves with masking tape on a Shrek-green iPad but this was OK too
I am feeling I cant miss any of these videos given the info and adoption of LTT labs capabilities. I do not want to be left out compared to the general fan base in later videos when you stop explaining these graphs in these details.
Is there any way to test the pass through.. I wear a set of buds at work instead of earplugs for noise suppression, but the pass through is useless so I need to remove them to talk to anybody.
I already thought about buying the QC buds 2 but I didn't bc you can't only use one stand alone If you put the other one in the case it automatically stops playing Would be nice if you said that in the video
a lab page with an interactive graph where users can chose which devices are compared would be really really nice!
should follow crinacle if you love the nerds stuff about headphone or earphones
at this point it's really hard to compete with crinacle's database
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That has been already planned to happen:
It was mentioned in one the "WAN-Show"-sessions that they'd need to first get the automation done for the report creation and publishling.
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That noise cancellation comparison histogram is awesome. I want to see a bunch of headphones compared. It would also be smart to compare the areas under each curve and then you could give relative performance percentages
I wanna see the WF-xm4
not a histogram...
not a histogram...
@@IzzatZaki Then correct them, people.
At least the difference between two curves would be easier to interpret when comparing.
I like seeing more graphs to show the capabilities of these earbuds. I'm already seeing LTT labs taking shape!
Awesome to see the noise cancellation data from the labs! One suggestion no review site has yet tested to my knowledge: Test the noise isolation for single sharp or blunt noises (doors slamming, cutlery clinking, etc.). I have noticed big differences in my (many) ANC products there. Cheers!
Some i had tended to overcompensate which sounds like a heavy bass. Bunch of cutlery hitting a drawer insert is a great test - at least a great test at home^^
These are an improvement over the 1st gen buds. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxK5mc3yw4xA7Mf2j6k6n1Uqv_KUgrKdeM Pros: The fit is fantastic. This is the biggest plus. They stay in my ears when running and become unnoticeable. They are tight but comfortable. The sound quality is about the same as the 1st gen buds. They pair more easily with my LG G8 ThinQ and immediately reconnect when removed from the case. The sound balance is excellent, good but not overpowering base and clean mid tones and highs.Cons: The noise cancellation is good but perhaps a little less effective than the Bose ANC on the 1st gen buds. Passthrough mode as not as good as the 1st gen buds making it a little more difficult to hear conversations when in passthrough.
I think that the options to "relax" and "focus" are just there to show the users that they can make custom profiles. Given the pencil icon I think thats where they want to steer you
Just got the Sony WF-1000XM4 last week for only 180. Seems like a way better deal to me.
Just a clarification, you can change the Apple decibel limit. The decibel limit is linked to your phone not the AirPods themselves. So the Apple wired headphones also adhere to the limit. You can change the limit in steps of 5db from 70db to 100db in Settings > Sounds & Haptics > Headphone Safety.
Personally I have mine set to 80db so that I can “blast” the audio at max volume. However due to the limit, the loud sounds are brought down while the soft sounds are left alone at a higher volume. Thus, it is great when listening to videos at 2x speed where speech can fluctuate in intensity.
6:22 you can delete for example the "Relax" mode, the delete button can be seen at 5:05
Liked the showcase, LOVED the Labs lesson from James! Very interesting!
Graphs in Short Circuit feel a little antithetical, at least in terms of why the channel originally (as stated) was started: quick looks at products that didn't really meet the main LTT channel format. Not really opposed though, it's a fun deeper look without needing to be a review, and it give the Labs folks something to do now that they can't pretend to work on the screwdriver for another year or two (just kidding, I love the driver).
I'd love to see those graphs for QC 35s and sony's noise canceling headphones
I LOVE this video! is there a video that compares more models together at once with the ANC graphs? those are awesome, always in search of the best anc to block out voices and crying babies on flights
With AirPods you can turn off the high decibel ANC affect when in transparency mode
Graphs are illegible (on my phone with meh resolution). Really cool that you are including these but some editing is appreciated, like thicker lines and bigger fonts
Ooo I love the noise canceling graph. Please make a few Techquickie episodes so that these explanations are easier to find and share with people
I love the labs graphs and your explanation of them was pretty good too 👍
BTW, Harman Kardon is just a subsidiary brand of Harman International. The former develops products, the latter developed the Harman target curve.
James did a really soothing presentation pleasant to hear
you guys finally started measuring! Nice
I had the Sportbuds up until recently, and they were really good, minus a few things I didn't like. But glad to see these rate so well.
Hell ya, Jeff Buckly's Hallelujah is my personal favorite (the one from shrek is a close second.)
As an owner of the Bose 700 and the first gen QC Earbuds I can say that the biggest letdown is the software. It's pretty bad in general with pairing between multiple devices. It often won't find the buds in the app even though it's connected. It's much buggier on Android than iOS.
the labs results are really nice, though having someone do the linus test of comfort by lying down and seeing if you could sleep with them in would be really helpful too I think
Silly James - these are just names for different levels of anc (which you setup) + you can delete/rename the presets :D
I've owned the bose for about a month, easily the best noise canceling around but the transparency is shit right now. I replaced it because of mono mode issues and the second pair sounded the same and i found out the bose rep lied mono mode is broken and not fully supported right now. I wore them the whole week for vacation and struggled to keep up with conversation because it would randomly start to noise cancel. However i wore them to the shooting range and i couldn't tell people were shooting, it picked up the shot and silenced it easily in transparency. My pairs had no hissing at all. Also, my pair had independent volume, the buds and phone were not sync'd and i had to max out phone and control with buds.
I'd like to know how they compare to my Sony WF-1000XM4s...im not happy with the foam tips but the last gen bose were to huge for me...
I have a love hate relationship with my Bose QC2, I moved to Bose after some years on AirPod. Frustrating is an understatement; connecting the QC is so annoying, keeps going on and off. I would trade in an heartbeat the superior sound quality of QC2 for the bulletproof seamless apple AirPod connectivity.
The built quality on the QC2 are not even close to the Apple AirPods especially the case.
The Bose QC Earbuds 2 lost me on the case size (too big), want one that fits in the coin pocket though some modern pants have “tech pocket” now inside.
You should test some BONE CONDUCTION headphones. I feel like most people don't even know they exist.
They're pretty disappointing for music, also they don't shut out the world around you.
You should test the NuraTrue Pro earbuds, first buds to have lossless audio over bluetooth, interested to see what you guys think
10:28 Wake me up when we have headphones that can cancel the stuff I feel
I tried the Apple ones and they just will not stay in my ear. Also, the sound quality is better than in the past versions but the base just cannot compare to the Bose.
Cant LTT Create a 3D Model of a ear or snag it from Ear Doctors office, and get it mic'd up so we can hear what the buds actually sound like verses describing the sound in detail.
Think about what you just said.
IT CLEARLY SAYS DELETE MODE IN THE MODE YOU'RE IN.............
So like I heard you can’t have just one of them in ur ear to work like you need to use both at the same time is that still true?
My LG TONE FP9 yeet so good! They just slip out of my ears.
If neither of these cancel out enough sound on the plane for you, grab a pair of Bose headphones and you are good to go. 😂
Glad to see the graphs from labs. Wondering if there can be testing at lower than 74 db. Maybe that will come by once their good Test chamber is setup (To help with signal to noise ratio with lower volumes)
Would have liked to see some more ANC comparisons like to the Pixel Buds Pro or the Sony XM4 earbuds
The Bose QC2s have superior noise cancellation compared to the WF-1000XM4s in my opinion.
@@kodylagreca agreed!
Surprised that you didn't mention the lack of wireless charging and multipoint pairing, which is a big deal on $300 earbuds. I like the Labs graphs for some objectivity in the review, but I like when you spend more time talking about features and your impressions (comfort, usability of touch controls, ...)
I don't care about that; I have them. My three biggest area of concerns are: one sound quality, secure fit, during workouts, and noise cancellation, because I use them in a noisy gym environment. Bose covers everything hands down. Hands down the best for me.
I don't dish out 599 bucks for wireless charging that can be had on cheapo walmart earphones. It's the ANC that people pay for and in that category the Bose QC Earbuds 2 are the new King for both human voice and plane cabin noise cancellation. ShortCircuit got it wrong with their frequency interpretations. Now, multipoint is indeed a feature it should have, but it's still not a deal breaker. The ANC, Comfort and well-rounded sound stage are just too good.
Multipoint is handy jumping from mobile to tablet to laptop. Qc earbuds v. 1 have the Multipoint, switching from the single button on the case and it is really handy. Also the ability of each bud to work independently would be nice.
wireless charging sadly probably won't be available anytime soon, but multipoint will likely be added with a later firmware update.
I've heard rumors that multipoint is to be added in a new update, as is lossless audio capabilities
You forgot the Sony WF-1000XM4! Seriously, how could you forget the best noise cancelling buds around.
Sony wf 1000mx with Final Audio Type E eartips are amazing if anyone is looking for a great alternative. ANC to Ambient mode is all you need of ambient mode is good enough imo. I toggled between the three on my Sony's and ended up just removing the off mode in the settings.
So these are silicone eartips? I'm fed up with all my foam eartips falling apart on me
Why are those tips better than the stock ones?
@@iicalcipheriim the battery life is great on the wf1000 mx4 and I found for my ears that the foam would fatigue my ears. The tips I recommended, for many ears will likely be less fatiguing. Also I was unable to notice a loss in audio quality or seal. It's possible the foam tips would be fine in your ears, but for me I had to find something else. The one I mentioned are comfortable and comes in a kit with a lot of sizes so you out can find a great fit.
@@corey7219 yeah silicon for me is far more comfortable for extended listening periods.
James trying to explain a lot of this, and make it sensible to us laymen, was taking every muscle in his body + pure skill, and I appreciate him putting in the work! 😂 ❤
There's no Harman Kardon target, it's just the Harman target. Also it's not what "artist intended" it's just what most people prefer (theoretically). Many people find this target too bass heavy (in-ear target)
First of all, no: the best is the Sony mx 4. Bose QCs are crap, I own them. My JLBs are better than the Bose.
I’ve had problem with my unit. When running I felt a pop in my ears, kind of similar to pushing and releasing them while they are in ears. That is not that annoying as similar thing while driving in public transport on uneven road, the same happens but way more often, which becomes painful. I had to give them back to service, so they can check if this is my unit problem, but I think it’s software. It’s trying to cancel all of the vibrations from uneven road which it can’t do.
Although when you’re not moving sound quality is great and anc too. Case is annoyingly big tho, switching from Apple. And there is a problem of switching source and connection on iPhone.
Had somebody have this problem?
Sorry, but you got it wrong. Human speech is typically between 80Hz to 255Hz, which means the AirPods don't cancel out human speech better than the Bose QC Earbuds 2. You referred to the mid-range which would be in the 300Hz to 1kHz range in your graph. Aliens from another galaxy may speak in that frequency but John Doe and Susy Smith from planet earth don't. The graph also shows that the Bose are better at cancelling out plane cabin noise which in your graph is roughly between the 1kHz and 10kHz range.
I'm a little worried over the fact that ANC is basically always on with these buds. ANC has to utilize the microphones on the buds, which means there's always a risk that it'll start picking up wind.
My current buds (sony wf sp800n) are AWFUL with ANC. If I use them to go running or biking outside with ANC on, I will constantly be hearing wind noises. Having the ability to turn it off and be 100% sure it won't be picking up any wind is very important.
So are we gonna get that database for all the earbuds headphones LTT Labs tested with that model head?
Not having fully/mostly customizable ambidextrous gestures feels about as useful as Bixby.
Who has the the best ambidextrous headset?
Just got sony MX5 headphones, best ANC for sure.
I have these. I had issues using them with my Pixel 4a. During a work meeting on Meet, it'd work fine, but if my phone received a call during the work meeting, the earbuds would get kicked off as an audio device and after I finished rejecting the call, the work meeting audio would come out the phone speaker instead of the Bluetooth like when I started the meeting.
That's no good. Hopefully that's fixed in a software update. Sucks when the buds are expensive.
That sounds like a problem with the phone.
That's an issue with the phone. Probably something Google "doesn't want" to fix because it's an older phone.
That's a phone / BT handoff issue, since if call comes in the phone will treat the buds as a call device.
You actually do can turn off the adaptive transparency on the airpods
Ok I guess I’m the only one that is overwhelmed with the graphs. I mainly want to know the user experience, sound quality, design and features. Just how it feels to daily.
I mean we mainly stream compressed music over Bluetooth while doing some kind of activity…
Great to see FR graphs, however.. the explanation around why the response wasn’t flat doesn’t make sense. A human can pickup on volume differences across the range. Mid range is no different and having a FR that dips in the middle isn’t to address some shortcoming with the human hears, it’s just how HK have produced the headphones.
So even though you guys did good reviews of them, I'm still not sure how the Liberty stuff from Anker doesn't make the top list (or even beat Apple)?
Most of the ones you guys seem to like the most have shit bass. The one outstanding feature is that you get to hear all the bands equally with the Liberty offerings.
Please send your YT superstars to professional barbers so that the facial hair is cut straight and symmetrically 😂❤
Bose has always fit a lot better for me. AirPods have hand a loose hanging fit and most other have the plung style. Bose sits somewhere in between with the wings. But they need to bring back the multi device supposed. It’s annoying to find the case and keep manually switching between my pc and phone
How are the bose wf1000xm4 compared to these?
I disagree with "tap on volume slider should set to that level" as my phone registers phantom touches here and there and I like the small protection from bleeding ear drums.
Oh Bose all the way. From the review it seems like there's not much difference. I will not be locked into Apples eco system with their admittedly headache inducing customer support.
That said, if you're already in Apples eco system, why not right? Plus their case has a metal hinge... Why are more people not doing that? Doesn't save that much in the long run.
Beside Airpods, should've compared to Sony wf-1000xm4 instead !
What kind of noise do you use for the ANC graph? Because as I understand these don’t cancel the noise in real time, they have to predict what the noise will be like in the next few milliseconds, and getting that right is both difficult and affects the real world performance a lot.
Yeah I'm not spending over $300 on ear buds
If you're on Android go with the XM4s, these things are funky working with Android.
Linkbuds S are the best alternatives to Apple in my opinion
"base the boost" 😄
Due to pandemic, I haven't been able to grab the 1st Gen, now they have 2nd Gen already 😅
Idk man, I got my pixel buds pro and I've been very happy with them. Great sound, easy to use, consistent, good battery life, good case, and good noise cancelling.
I have the QC Gen 1 and the shark fin ear tips are amazingly secure. I can run while wearing them without any fear of them falling out. The complete opposite of the Sony XM4, B&W Pi7 and AirPods. The QC Gen 1 also sound better than AirPods Pro Gen 1. I hate that Bose chose this new design to make them have a slimmer profile to match Apple.
Love that you guys finally explained what all these new graphes mean! All the ones from the last time were just "nice lines" without much explanation what they actually mean.
The Sony WF-1000XM4s are so much better than this.
WF1000 XM4 from Sony. Went original airpods to galaxy buds to Sony. They are very very good. I get this channel content but it'd be nice to not focus on only an apple product. Hoping labs changes this across channels. EDIT: Are they better than my Sony earbuds? That's my problem
This is what I actually wanted to know.
check out crinacle's videos. based on objective measurements the xm3s are actually "better" than the xm4s with the galaxy buds pro 2nd gen performing the best in terms of sound out of all the popular twses
@@damushroomlord he talks about tuning but the xm4 whoops xm3 ass for detail ...a smidge of eq and it's way better...different signature fe the xm3 ofc...
I'm currently using Galaxy Buds Pro and was thinking of getting some xm4s
But I don't know if the upgrade is worth the money.
@WhiteWolf496 maybe in terms of anc but in not in terms of sound. Get yourself some comply tips instead
One of the most important things to know for me is. What about phone conversations? can they filter out the noise around me, so it only focuses on my voice? or will the person on the other end hear everything around me aswell ?
Not a fan of this format for this channel - I don't think we really needed LTT try to do auiodphile stuff... since you pretty much measured a non-audiophile product. Why not just let us know if it's good or not - and not pretend like you "leveled up" for an audience that doesnt really care about the graphs + would go to audio-specific channels to hear the opinion of people with real expertise. Also graphs do not show if a headphone is actually good to actual ears.
I would to see a comparison between those and the Sony WR's
I love seeing objective data on things that most times are up to a reviewers preferences. These graphs are super helpful and well made. The explanation along with them was perfect as well. Good job labs!
Would love to see a WF-1000XM4 comparison
These are my dailies and they are excellent. My only complaint is the case. The lid and case overall seems cheap and not a as solid as others. And the leaving off wireless charging in 2022 is head-scratching.
Can you use just one at a time? Like only the left/right? I saw someone say you couldn’t
@@bobb4403 Yes, absolutely. I heard that too and that is very false.
@@JasonLefevers thanks!
I will be getting those upgrading from my AirPod pro 1s. Will use the pros as back up, and for calling.
Great overview. I bought the AAP2 and don't have an iPhone. Works well for what I want. The Bose I heard were a little noisy in the passthru but..... My wife may take these AP and I may just get the Bose if I'm looking to burn 300 bucks.. hmm...
Test the NuraTrue's please!
My measurements (and my usage of these) say this is hands down the great ANC in the market for these devices ..crap microphone though.
You actually can change the transparency mode to normal or to adaptive transparency in your settings of your Airpods Pro.
Mixed feelings about this video.
I love the Labs data, I hate the complete lack of comparison to Sony's wf1000 xm4.
I know it's not exactly the point of this channel but I'm in this moment trying to figure out what I want and it would be super helpful
I actually prefer the noise canceling to focus on the lows and highs rather than mids as it makes it is more likely to cancel the machinery, which is what my goal is 90% of the time. I also work on a dock with a lot of machinery though so that noise is all around me. I am also not sure how I feel about the inability to actually turn off the ANC.
Agreed it's nice to have the choice to have everything off for better battery life
You won't be disappointed by the Bose QC Earbuds 2 in that department for cancelling out machinery noise. In the graph you can see that it's exactly these frequency ranges on the left and right side that the Bose are better than the Airpods, while the Airpods are only better in the mids which is neither human voice nor machinery noise.
That volume "pumping" behavior is something that small gigging bands with cheap/poor quality PA systems, specifically ones without separate subwoofers and crossover filters, can often struggle with. You have a so-so PA setup, you mic up the kick drum, and whenever the drummer stomps on that all other sound is lost for a moment. To my understanding that's both because you just need a lot more power to create bass sounds (need to move a lot more air for the same perceived loudness as mid and high tones, which means larger speaker movements, since you can't move it more often (frequency and all that), which takes more power) and it's easy to overpower the cheaper gear, and also because when the woofer element is going nuts trying to produce the bass thumps it can't physically react as well to the mid and higher frequencies.
As a bass player I also notice this "bass needs power" issue with amplifiers, a 25W guitar combo (amplifier with a built in speaker(s)) is usually entirely capable of going louder than my 300W bass amplifier with a 4x10" speaker cab...
probably bc a 25 watt combo might be a tube amp whereas your bass amp is not. tube wattage and solid state is very different. 25 watt tube is very loud
@@jakewilliams6128 I know, but I've also played with tube amps and 100W tube bass amp doesn't go anywhere near as far as even a 50W guitar combo will (300W Ampeg got pretty loud, to be fair). That's why there are so many 200 and 300W tube bass amps, let alone the 500-1000W solid state ones, while guitarists make do with 25, 50 or at the high end 100W amps. There are some with more power, but for example checking Thomann right now there are like 10 tube heads with over 100W, and like 50 100W heads.
Soundcore liberty 3 pro.. expensive but worth it if they fit your ears
Nice to see labs info at last.
Just get Soundcore, the Life air 3i or whatever is what I use and they are fantastic for $50. 1/6 the price. $150 for wireless charging and touch controls, if that matters to you.
The Soundcores have a really great sound for the price. But the $150+ earbuds all sound better.
@@woooshbait9696 then I'll never listen to one and never have FOMO. Easy solution. :)
Like all other earbuds, the Airpods wouldn't stay in my ear and they really hurt. Bose was a clear winner just for being able to even stay put. They also happen to be comfy, although a little less than the last generation, and they have amazing sound quality. I am so happy with the smaller case and noise cancellation. I tested the sound blockage out today while at a completely holiday packed grocery store and it was like I was the only person there with Pandora playing. Without music, it was like being in a crowd with a few people whispering.
Comfort needs to account for 50% of any scale.
Those graphs are incredible. Really neat to see the fruit from Labs
Huh, im gay now
Lmfao people pressed the like button
I for one only trust audio reviews if they're by a loud Australian drummer explaining frequency curves with masking tape on a Shrek-green iPad
but this was OK too
I am feeling I cant miss any of these videos given the info and adoption of LTT labs capabilities. I do not want to be left out compared to the general fan base in later videos when you stop explaining these graphs in these details.
ah yes, edited by v2FINALFINAL
9:47 Love the graphs, but I struggled with this one espeically because I'm red/green colorblind. The lines looked basicaly identical.
Is there any way to test the pass through.. I wear a set of buds at work instead of earplugs for noise suppression, but the pass through is useless so I need to remove them to talk to anybody.
I already thought about buying the QC buds 2 but I didn't bc you can't only use one stand alone
If you put the other one in the case it automatically stops playing
Would be nice if you said that in the video
pretty sure that´s been fixed a while ago