When you ASSUME… you make an ASS out of U and ME. It would make sense to think this… if it weren’t for the already available but not silent MX Master 2S
Definitely interested in the 3S for the silent clicks. After hearing that vertical lift one I might go ergonomic, love how silent it was. If only the new mechanical keyboard was as quiet
I'm actually using the Vertical Lift for the majority of my daily use since I spend at least 8 hours on the computer, and I use the 3S on my second computer. I did a review about the Lift too, but I forgot to mention that you can get horizontal scrolling on it by using the back or forward side buttons to temporarily modify the vertical scroll wheel to a horizontal scroll wheel. Made a quick video about it if you're seriously considering the Lift.
@@DemCrumblies why are you using two different mice for your two computers? Both mice allow easily switching devices and have Logitech Flow, don't they?
@@sebastianjost Hey Sebastian, I actually have three mice. I use the Logitech Lift Vertical on my main computer for ergonomics, and I use the MX 3S on my second computer. The MX3 is just for backup now since I bought the MX 3S. While they do have fast switching and I have some paired between computers for transferring files with Logitech Flow, I still keep more than one for review purposes and to answer questions from viewers.
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Hey I am curious about how close to white the mx master 3s you have is. I want to have a clean white setup and the Old MX Master 3 in Grey is not an option. Would you mind telling me how it looks next to the Aluminium/White Apple Magic Keyboard if you have or maybe share a pic on twitter? kind regards
@@yesaneul9088 Hey Yesaneul, sorry I don't own any Apple products, but I did take a photo of the mouse against a plain white piece of printer paper and near a PS5 Dual Sense controller so you have an idea: drive.google.com/file/d/1fd8ZBlDWy1Aife7qb47YTmRDL5yZCmYN/view?usp=sharing I hope that helps.
@@DemCrumblies Thank you very much for sharing, helped a lot. More like a creamy white as it seems. Still not really what I am looking for. Might need to get creative and DIY with some acryllic paint I guess
@Global Communications Yep, I heard the same sentiment from a handful of others too. I've been in the hard click life for a long time, but since I moved to the Logitech Lift with quiet clicks, I got really accustomed to it now. Actually when I'm on calls, I can get away with clicking & browsing and no one knows 😉 But after using the MX Mechanical keyboard now, I still understand the appeal of wanting to hear that click. You can still feel the click, but it feels softer... maybe because the loud click is gone? Let's see what they do with the MX 4. I wonder if they will continue the trend or just release two versions, a 4 and a 4S.
Thanks for watching! I've converted to the silent side completely now, so yea it's good they still have the 3 for people who want a more tactile experience.
Good review. You did a great sound test, but you forgot to mention that the 3S mouse clicks also feel softer and mushier than the louder clicker 3!!! The soft mushy clicks on the 3S was the deal-breaker for me. Hopefully MX Master 4 adds back more crisp clicky mouse buttons like the 3 grrrr
Hey C J, you're right, I should have placed more emphasis on the soft click feeling. I was so used to the Logitech Lift, which has the same soft click and noise that I forgot how jarring the change could be to users of the traditional MX line. I actually grew to love the soft click feeling because I still work just as far, but I can understand those who want that more tactile feel and confirmation. I think they will have to add it back to the MX4 because the soft click on the MX3S had mixed reception.
yea i noticed that too while testing them at the store. I think i will go with the 3 for that exact reason. The crisp clicks are the only difference that matter to me, the other 2 things i wouldnt care anyway so its the same mouse literally.
@@DemCrumblies Yeh I just tested it and my brain hates it.. I was never annoyed by the sound... but I guess it'll have to get used to like when I got polarized lenses.
Just the review I was looking for, thank you! Ordered the MX 3s through the link in your description 👊 Looking forward to the horizontal scrolling while editing in davinci resolve. That alone is going to be a huge time saver.
Thank you very much for watching my video and using my link Chris! Yep, being able to scroll through the timeline is a huge benefit. Which color did you get btw?
I sold my MX M3 to buy the 3S, I prefer the quieter clicks & the subtle thud (if you can call it that), but Logitech could've done more to tempt MX M3 users over, like moving the device switch button to the top, or if that wasn't possible right now, I don't see why device switching couldn't be added to the gesture button options. But you're right about the magspeed scroll, it would be hard to go back to normal scrolling. Cheers.
Hey Kam, that is such an excellent point about moving the device switch button somewhere on the top. In addition to letting gestures perform the same function, they could have allowed the shift wheel button to be remapped to device switch too.
Was it worth it now that you used it a couple of months? I just yesterday bought the MX M3 Mac because my wireless Razer mouse was giving huge issues with the scroll wheel (1 click = 500% zoom usually) Anyway, I am now considering if I should return the MX 3 Mac and get the new 3S - I did get the M3 for 990 SEK (100 dollars/100 euros roughly) vs 1290 SEK (130 dollar/euros) for the new version, I didn't even know the 3S existed because I rushed to the closest store right before they closed since I am working in illustrator on a timeline - but there's a 50 day return policy so I would have no problem paying 30 dollars more if the software is actually better / if its easier to customize buttons etc, and the quieter clicks are something considered worth changing it out!
@@najZSwe yeah, for me it was definitely worth the upgrade, I mostly use with my android tablet & Windows, it's very precise on both & I've always preferred the silent clicks.
@@DemCrumblies A cheap one from a company called Omoton that i got from amazon in 2020, it started to get courser shake when not in my hand it is very annoying.
@乇ᗪㄩ乃 Oh this will be a huge step up then. Just be sure to download the Logitech software to get full functionality out of your new mouse. Enjoy, and thank you for watching my video 😀
Digging it. The only gripe ive had is the click area wears into a smooth shiny area making it look older and more worn than it really is. Wish they would make that out of something else. Well done review.
Yep, you're right! You can probably see it on my MX Master 3 in the video. The left click button is super smooth and worn out now. It's a bit embarrassing for me when people see that area, but yea, until they improve it, we're stuck. I guess we put a lot of hours and work into our mice.
I've been using the mx revolution for years. It's an amazing mouse but it's old now haha. I'm thinking if picking up the S. I'll miss the docking station, but the usb-c it's a solid upgrade. Thanks for the review!
Sounds like you got a lot of good use from your MX Revolution. Since I always have USB Type C cables around, I prefer charging that way instead of using the docking station like with older Logitech products because it frees up desk space too. Which color would you get if you get the 3S?
I wanted an MX Mouse and got the new 3S as it was just out and while I can't speak for the older models the 3S is absolutely fantastic. Wonderful bit of kit.
How bad is the soft mushy click? I want to buy it but for the money, I cant make a mistake, if I play a game now and then with it, will it be a problem?
Hey Jan, I'm not sure if you are asking me or C J, but I really don't think the soft click is a problem. You may "feel" like it is not tactile, but the response time is exactly the same as on the MX 3 mouse. If you plan on gaming, it can work, but a gaming mouse is better for games that require fast, twitch-like reactions like FPS shooters.
@@DemCrumblies Yeah absolutely, Im far from a gamer. I play WarThunder from time to time, it worked fine for me with MX2. I am sure then it will be odd at first. Tell me please then can you have accidental clicks and how much less pressure you have to put on it to click, I feel like that will give me a picture of a filling to some extent. Thank you and a pretty nice video btw yeah.
@@janloncaric3621 Hey Jan, I clicked the button on both mice and it feels like I have to use slightly less pressure on the MX 3S, but it isn't a very noticeable difference. I haven't had any accidental misclicks or double clicks due to the lower actuation force or pressure required for the MX 3S. I think most people feel that it is very soft because it doesn't make that click sound. You definitely feel the click register and it is still tactile with the MX 3S.
This is exactly the review I was looking for. I purchased the 3 only one day before the 3s came out and I was wondering if I should return it. I don't really like the quieter click, and I don't have the need for it to be quiet so I think I will stick with the 3.
You'll love the 3S Tracy! I actually use both the 3S and the Lift Verical, which also has the quiet clicks. It's hard to consider going back to a noisy mouse again now.
@@DemCrumblies I also happy to finally have horizontal scrolling when editing. I’ve always been a $20 mouse person. So your review helped me feel like a made the right decision. 👍🏼
Thanks for the comparison, I love my MX Master 3 but probably won't be rushing out to upgrade any time soon. I honestly have headphones on most of the time anyway so even though the click reduction would be good for an office environment, it really doesn't apply to me too much at home.
Great review. My wife has been a long user of mice like the MX Master 2s she never wanted to upgrade (I use a MX Master 3) since it can work on almost any surface. She wasn't a heavy laptop user, I had got her a chromebook from Acer and she eventually told me she hated it so I gifted her my Pixelbook i7 with 512GB NVMe SSD and 16GB RAM with a crazy near 4K touchscreen and totally silent. I then did some engineering and got it to run windows 10 with all features. Then I left my MX3 as her mouse. She immediately wanted one. Lol. So she has the MX3s now in Pale Grey which matches the Pixelbook. She likes the quiet buttons, I like more tactile. 4000 dpi works fine for me. Love these mice use USB C charging.
Hey @alk3myst (cool name btw)! Great to hear that she loves the MX3S, I've gotten so used to silent clicks now that I find it strange when a mouse has a loud audible click now. Some people hate the quiet click because they feel like there isn't enough tactile feedback without it also, but I love it! Yea the USB type C charging is handy too. Maybe later we might even get wireless charging on a compatible Qi enabled mouse pad. Waiting to see what they do with the MX4 next. Btw, just a heads up that the Pale Grey can get discolored quickly. I've been wiping mine down with a damp cloth every couple of weeks to avoid it. Thanks for watching 🙂
To be honest, the biggest reason I got the 3S over the cheaper 3 is the white (pale grey) color way. I’ve always hated how there was no white option to match my setup before, and finally I can have USB-C vs the micro-usb on my 2S
When I bought my MX 3, I don't remember seeing the option for pale gray or I would have got that, but I saw in some older videos that people had it too.
You don't need to click the button to scroll without the tactile increments. That automatically changes when you scroll quickly, which is the best feature. The only problem is that when you do click the button and scroll slowly without the tactile feel, it still scrolls the screen incrementally rather than smoothly, so there is never smooth scrolling. I like the clicking.
Yea they have the smart shift feature in the Logi+ software to switch between the ratchet scrolling and smooth scrolling. I love having it on smooth scrolling all the time, so I turn off smart shift personally.
Great review! I currently use G305 but my GF is annoyed by clicking noise so I think this is a perfect solution.Review is just what I wanted to know, thanks!
Thanks Galicius! If you're going to be using this for any gaming, Logitech recommends using the Logi USB Bolt instead of Bluetooth for best performance.
Or you can just swap the switches to kailh silent red instead of buying a new mouse, there are places selling the switch with PCB, so you don't need to solder anything
I love the mouse but hate the light grey color that I got. After only 1 month of use the light grey rubber is dirty and dingy and stained from the natural oils in my skin and nothing I used was able to get the staining out. I ended up buying a broken black MX 3 and putting the top shell from that onto the lower of the MX 3S. Now I don't have to worry about a nasty dirty looking mouse and it now imo looks cool with the black upper and silver lower part. Also regarding tracking on glass, it does work. I bought a glass mouse pad a few weeks ago and it works like a dream. The difference between my glass mouse pad and what you used is that my glass mouse pad has a texture etched into it, or rather casted? into it. Where the surface isn't completely smooth, but this is definitely the best mouse pad I have EVER used and it works with old Redragon mouse too.
Yea I really don't know why Logitech won't consider changing the rubberized type of material since lots of people have complaints with the discoloration issue. Mine is slightly discolored too, but I usually try to wipe it down with a damp cloth every month or so to keep it from getting too bad. Would love to see a photo of your hybrid mouse if you wanna share though!
I bought the white one and ended up returning it because it stains way too easy and does not rinse off at all. I tried this with two different white 3s mice and they both got stained after about a week of use. I just bought the black one instead. I even tried wearing thumb gloves and it still stained!
I wonder if they'll add a new color to the 3S, or just focus on an MX 4 next. Since the 3S is just a slight refresh of the MX 3, I think they are a bit overdue for an MX 4.
One reason I can see to get the new mouse is it supports Logi Bolt. That seems to be needed to do some of the multiple computer support feature on the new MX Mechanical Wireless Keyboard and other new Logi products.
Yea it definitely helps and Logitech said it offers the best latency. However, I've been using the MX Mechanical, Logitech Vertical Lift and MX 3, and now MX 3S all on Bluetooth only, and it still allows me to switch between devices effortlessly.
There reason why I upgraded mine (Master 3) was: -Clicking noise - Bolt Technology, allows me to connect MX keys mini and the mouse with only one receiver Not sure if it's me but I notice the side scrolling wheel has more firmness to it, great mouse, there's not competition in this case
Hey JD, the side scrolling wheel definitely is a bit more firm on the MX 3S. At first I wasn't sure if it was because I didn't break it in yet, but maybe it is stiffer to avoid accidental brushes of the thumb? Yea having the ability to use the Logi Bolt is great, but I've been using Bluetooth for the longest while to free up USB slots on my laptop and it's been surprisingly stable. Enjoy your new mouse. I never used the MX Keys keyboard, but is that also quiet when typing?
@@DemCrumblies Don't get me wrong after a few days I like the stiffness of the side scrolling wheel, I'm a bit more precise now with it. Mx Keys and Mx Keys mini aren't the quiet keyboards it's quite that any mechanical for sure but what it's really fascinating is the travelling, I'm fast typer and I improve speed with this keyboard besides that controlling multiple system is easy with Flow technology the Keyboard follows the mouse so both devices switch at the same time
@@JD_Therapy Yea it's really a time saver being able to use Flow between my laptop and desktop for transferring files. Probably my favorite feature. Since I switch to the MX Mechanical, I also noticed that my typing speed a bit faster now too. Btw, what is battery life like on your MX Keys? The battery life on the MX Mechanical is not supposed to last more than 15 days if you keep the backlight on. With it off, it's supposed to last 10 months.
@@DemCrumblies Yes, it all comes down to the lightning feature, I barely use the keyboard backlit so it last me around 4 months occasionally backlit used. easy to transport, I take it with me and my MacBook Pro 14 all the time, so pretty good when it comes to battery life
@@JD_Therapy So far mine has been good because I only use the reactive light mode where it lights up the key when you press it. Btw since you mentioned you are on Mac, have you experienced any mouse delays or scrolling delays? Others in the comments have mentioned this issue, but I haven't experienced it with the 3 or 3S.
I just bought one and have been using it for three days now - no experience on the older mouse. The new one is really good, and the click is so quiet I can barely hear it. I hate a loud clicking mouse.
that free scroll thing is probably the best thing i ever used, i got a g502 for my birthday which has a free scroll and its amazing lol. the 3s is gonna be on sale soon where i work and im definietly buying it
Was looking for a quieter mouse for the studio apartment my wife and I share and one minute in I already have the answer with that click test. Thanks for making it perfectly clear. 👍
Glad it was helpful Kribby! I use the 3S and the Logitech Vertical Lift mouse, which also has the same quiet clicks, but it better if spend tons of hours every day on the computer.
I just invested in a 14" MacBook and thought the 3S was a great improvement over the MacMouse. Thanks for the review. My unit did not come with a bolt receiver which was fine.
Hey Milch, congrats on the new 14" MacBook. I wonder why yours didn't come with the bolt receiver. If it's something you may want in the future, maybe you can email Logitech support about mailing one out to you just in case. I use the MX 3S via Bluetooth also. Btw, now that you've experienced the quiet clicking, does it feel less tactile than a traditional mouse? I've really grown to love the quiet click.
Another difference is the change to the bolt usb dongle which requires software to drive it. Fine on personal computers, but on office computers, this often isn't possible.
Definitely going to upgrade. The practically silent clicking is going to make my wife happy. My computer is about 3 feet from our bed so the loud clicking of my MX Master 3 disturbs her a little when she’s trying to sleep at night. A whopping $30 more, though, but…..I’m gonna get it.
Yea, it'll definitely make a difference if you're that close. Even for me, I just prefer the silent clicks now when I'm working alone. Thanks for watching 🙂
Nah you did the right thing spending 50 more on the ''improved'' one would make you an idiot sandwich. Now you got yourself a good deal and ergonomic mouse while having the time to wait for the 4 and see if the new design big improvements are worth upgrading.
Your review convinced me to buy this mouse. I got it mostly for its customizability via Logi Options, but I should have known better -- it's Logitech software. Attempted on Mac. Returning it.
Hey Pepperfingers, sorry to hear that. I didn't know that the software experience on Mac would be that dismal. I know they just released the Logitech Lift Vertical mouse for Mac, so I thought they would have a polished software experience to match already. Hopefully they improve the software in future updates.
I have both and will be returning the 3S hate the silent click seems cheap almost like because of parts shortages they just used switches from their cheaper mice. Also, the middle scroll button clicks when you push it in, so there is a disconnect in that, that will still click. I also have the 2S and actually prefer the shape of that the side scroll wheel is lower and the middle wheel is more clicky/ratchety when you set it to that mode, but still totally smooth when off.
Yea I understand the silent clicks aren't for everyone, but I've actually grown to like it on a mouse, especially when I'm working late at night. I never owned the 2S, but I can see that the side scroll wheel does look a little sleeker in they way it's integrated.
Pretty sure the DPI are for more precision, it has nothing to do with how well it works on different surfaces; that would depend on the sensor technology per se, not it's DPIs.
That makes sense, thanks for pointing it out. On the MX Master 3S product page it says tracks on any surface, so I thought the sensor was upgraded for that purpose too.
The problem with the 3S version is that it is absolutely necessary to use the Logi Option+ software otherwise it does not work. With the MX3 version, it was possible to use it without any compatibility problem between several devices (TV, Android, computers, etc.)
Yea, others have pointed out that they cannot use this mouse in some work environments where installation of certain software like Logi Option+ is prohibited on company computers.
I actually prefer silent clicks now, might be worth a go to see if you can get accustomed to it. If not, another option would be to buy one used that isn't in too bad a condition maybe.
@@washthisgardenwithblood3585 Yea give it a go. Btw, since i reviewed this, I actually bought a Logitech Lift mouse (also with quiet clicks) that I use wayyy more since it's more ergonomic. I prefer it way more and I adjusted to it within a week of getting it.
got my mx master 3 a year and a half or so ago, and the rubber is starting to show its age. been thinking of getting a replacement mouse and the 3s looks like it has enough upgrades to be worth paying again.
Coming from the original MX, I think you'll notice the upgrade. It is almost worth it for the quiet clicks for me to be honest because I've gotten so used to quiet clicks now.
Currently writing this comment with a MX Master 3s. I've already got my return order placed on amazon for this piece of junk and ordered a Razer Pro Click Humanscale instead. No one told me that the MX Master 3s would somehow be a 125hz mouse in the 2020s despite being almost $100. What a joke. I ordered it thinking there's no way it's not a 1000hz mouse like is standard these days - but it's not.
Thanks for putting the Razer Pro Click Humanscale on my radar. Never seen it before, but it looks beautiful. If I ever have issues with my MX series, I know what to try next.
3 months ago bought MX Master 3, rechargeable battery is already dead. Luckily, still have old MX Master. I was using it probably for more than 10 years and it is still alive. The size of it is match better. Master 3 is smaller for my hand.
Sorry to hear that. If it's only been 3 months, you can contact Logitech directly. I had to do that before with another model and they shipped me a replacement because it was under a year.
I'll pass on the upgrade. No problems with "3" moving around on my desktop and I barely hear the clicking. Plus I don't even use the scroller and 2 buttons on the left. Now, your review had piqued my interest in those and I'll check them out. I'll wait for a more substantial difference - maybe the "4." Thanks for a great review!
Hey Rod, I totally agree. The upgrade to the 3S is not worth it if you already own the 3. It's like a slight refresh with a new color, quieter clicks and better tracking sensor, but like you said, the sensor on the 3 served everyone fine all these years already. I hope the MX 4 will be a worthwhile upgrade.
I agree. The strange thing is that when I check Logitech's official website, I only see the MX 3 for Mac and MX 3 Business Mouse. I don't see a regular MX 3 product page, so I'm thinking the 3S will replace it and they'll stop making it? At all the other retailers with existing MX 3 stock, I guess they're still trying to sell it for the same price unless Logitech offers them some kind of rebate.
It is probably worth mentioning that the MX Master 3S uses the Logi Bolt USB Receiver, which is not compatible with the USB Unifying Receiver. Both receivers are using a USB 2 type (Type-A), which is disappearing from most computers nowadays, replaced by USB 3 (Type C). If you are using Bluetooth, it is indeed not important. But if you want to integrate it with other existing Logitech products connected with Unifying, it will not work. In some cases, Logitech has added "for Business" to the name of Bolt products, like the "MX Master 3 for Business". It gives the impression that they will name all Bolt products with "for Business". But it is not true, as illustrated with this "3S". And in their "Business" products line, they still have Unifying products... It seems that Logitech wants to continue selling both Unifying and Bolt, duplicating all their products. So if you do not want to keep 2 Logitech receivers on all your devices, you have to either stick with the previous Unifying, renew all your products n Bolt, or move completely to Bluetooth.
Good points Marie-Jean. Thank you for mentioning that one USB receiver will not be compatible for all Logitech products. Logitech said the Logi Bolt is best for low latency, but I don't know how the latency compares to the Unifying receiver. If it's better, then maybe they will try to switch over to Bolt only for future products?
A good review, but somehow you've missed the most amazing, important features of the scrolling wheel: 1) That it _automatically_ unlocks and spins freely if you jerk it quickly enough -- no need to even press the unlock button; 2) That it's a solid piece of metal with huge inertia, so it spins for a very long time (seconds on end), and, in addition, the cold, finely machined metal just feels amazing compared to the regular rubberized plastic.
Hey Sergey, thanks! I actually turn off Smart Shift because I like to have it on free spin all the time, but you're right, I should have mentioned that feature for people who are not aware of it. Once you get spoiled with how smooth and fluid the scroll wheel is, it's really hard to consider other mice for sure.
@@AnanananChin You're correct, there is no change on the magspeed wheel. However, the horizontal side scroll wheel feels a little stiffer on the MX 3S. Maybe it will loosen up over time though?
@@DemCrumblies Thanks much.. The mouse is an investment. I really don't want to have a potential problem after a shirt time. I work in a pretty humid place too .. Thanks.
@@sdaservicetv Yea, the full price for a mouse with only two slight changes is not worth it. Hopefully with the MX Master 4, they improve the materials because other viewers have mentioned the same issue about the rubberized material wearing away and being stained.
I love the new white color, I have a mid gray MX Master and it has some stains now, even after cleaning with alcohol. I'm worried the same would happen to this one.
@@DemCrumblies makes sense, I saw a video where they mentioned the material is different but I don't know if it will make a big difference. Thinking of just keeping my mx master 3 for now. The silenced switches are interesting but not a huge difference. I wish they had made it lighter.
@@nefitru I didn't confirm the material by asking Logitech, but if I run my finger across both the MX 3 and the MX 3S, they feel exactly the same to me. Also, the weight is still exactly the same at 141 grams, so I think it's the same. Yea, unless you care about quieter clicks or the color, it is a waste of money to upgrade from the MX 3.
the only thing I wish they would have done is put a 3rd button on the side of the mouse to cycle through different devices, just like the M720 Triathlon.
Yea, having a quick switch button anywhere except the bottom would be so efficient. Even the option to remap the scroll wheel mode button to switch input devices would be nice.
I did a review on the MX Mechanical recently, it's pretty good, been using it for work mostly. I tried it using the Logi Bolt USB receiver and I did ok with some light gaming. I asked Logitech about latency times, but I didn't get answer back yet. However, another commenter said they got an answer back saying that the Logi Bolt USB receiver is between 4 to 7 ms latency, so if the MX Mechanical and MX 3S are used, hopefully that number is accurate.
When I use the 3S, the click feels softer as well as being quiet. I still get the feeling of the clicks being registered, but for those who want a really tactile feel, maybe it will be seen as a downside.
I'm torn between the two. On one hand the 3S has a better sensor but on the other hand I personally like the loud clicks of the 3. I just picked up an MX Mechanical Mini and the MX Master would compliment it perfectly, especially in that graphite color.
@@DemCrumblies I have a G502 right now, which is a great mouse but not wireless. Been eyeing the MX Master for a long time. I’m also wondering if the color would match my MX Mech Mini like the MX 3s in graphite would
Hey Alex, I can take a photo of my MX 3 and MX Mechanical so you can see how they look side by side. I can take it tomorrow when I have natural light and share the link in the comments. Is that ok?
@@DemCrumblies Looks pretty nice actually. I ended up getting the 3S in graphite today and love it! Got the mid grey desk mat to go with it all and it is probably the best productivity set up I’ve had so far.
I have the 3S and the mouse is amazing but I don't like the silent clicks. That snappy response when you click helps inform you when you've hit the button. But I'll get used to it I guess...
Are you guys getting a consistent click sound effect all across the area of LMB/RMB? I know this might be the OCD talking, but my 3S gives off that deliciously quiet and enjoyably tactile click only like 8 out of 10 times on average. The other 2 out of 10 clicks typically come from the area closer to the middle scroll wheel (although not only) and sound, well, sharper and "clickier", more like a standard switch (although not as loud). Not a big deal, I guess it's a standard feature of a mechanical input device, but I can't help thinking that the perfectly consistent standard click of the good old 3 wouldn't annoy me as much.
Hey Tomasz, I haven't really noticed much of a difference in sound or feedback, but when I tested it out just now, I noticed that my finger usually lands on the same spot during clicks so maybe that's why I don't notice any variance. The right click sounds slightly different than the left click though if I pay attention (not louder), but the tactile feedback is the same. If you're noticing it 2 out of 10 times, either you're really attuned or maybe your mouse has a defect. Might be a good idea to go in store and try one of the demo or display models to see if the same issue is present, although, those demo models sometimes take a beating from tons of people trying them.
Yep, mine is already discolored and I don't even use it that much compared to my Logitech Lift mouse. The material really needs to be changed to make it more resistant to stains and to make it easier to clean too.
@@DemCrumblies yes I got the keyboard and mouse mat light grey all from Logitech for my white setup, but the mouse becoming yellow made me plan to return everything and use my old setup
@@cdlikecdrom yea, I understand. My Logitech Lift mouse is also a bit discolored too now. My MX Mechanical is still great since it isn't white. Either they need to change the material or give us the option to use snap-on shells to replacement damaged exteriors.
@@DemCrumblies Yeah, changing the shell every now and then might work, but I got my mouse 20 days ago and it is yellowing already, if it lasted 2 years at least I'd paint it white with an anti-stain spray. I have the MX mechanical mini in white too, worried it will get yellow too at some point
@@cdlikecdrom Wow 20 days is quick. I think it took around 3 to 4 months for me to notice staining on mine because I only use it for editing and not daily use. I have the MX is black, which doesn't show anything. I think you should be fine with the MX Mini because the material is different than on the MX3S. The MX3S material reacts poorly with moisture and oils from the skin. You think they would have listened to all the complaints from the previous MX model and fixed it by now. Disappointing really.
If you have the non S, no upgrading is optional, but it is a stellar mouse and if your old mx master is aging, dying and it's time to change, do not think, get it.
Thank you for your concise and informative review. I was watching another youtube video discussing this mouse and it was filled with so much unnecessary "cute" drivel I had to stop.
I know exactly what you're talking about. If I ever do that in my videos, feel free to call me out so I can stay grounded 😉Thank you for watching my video Ita!
The MX3S will be a great option, especially if you like silent clicks. Some people mentioned they had to return their MX3S because the silent click felt less tactile. So just keep that in mind because the MX3 is still a great option if you like to hear the clicks.
Hey Re Vo, the two main differences between the MX 3 and MX 3S is that the 3S lets you set up to 8K DPI in the software (MX 3 has 4K DPI max). The other difference is the 90% quieter click noise. Size, shape, weight are all the same as with the MX 3.
Yea always a risk to buy outside the country you live in unfortunately, too bad they don't have a global warranty. What happened with yours by the way?
@@DemCrumblies appreciate the reply! That's unfortunate, was really hoping they changed the rubber. There have been so many complaints about the rubber used on the 3 sad to see it back on the 3s.
@@THZX-qk9fc Yea, it looks like the 3S is just a small refresh really. Hopefully, whenever the MX4 comes out, they listen to the community and do something about it.
On one of my MX Master 3 mice (late 2019 purchase) the rubberized coating deteriorated and became too sticky to use - I tried various cleaning methods to no avail. I switched to a newer (backup) MX Master 3 a few days ago which doesn't (yet?) have the dreaded sticky coating problem. There's a number of Reddit threads about the sticky coating issue. Outside of the sticky coating problem, the mouse covers a lot of bases well. The rapid metal scroll wheel is addictive as compared to other mouse designs.
@@CoachNation The rapid metal scroll wheel is the one thing I miss the most since I made the Lift Vertical mouse my main mouse. Every time I use my MX 3S on my second computer, I almost want to leave the Logitech Lift.
It's like an off white. Here is an image I took to compare it against a standard sheet or printer paper and my white PS5 Dualshock: drive.google.com/file/d/1fd8ZBlDWy1Aife7qb47YTmRDL5yZCmYN/view?usp=sharing If I just look at it without putting it next to anything white, it looks pretty white to me.
Since I updated my mechanical keyboard with blue switches, because the brown ones where too boring and quiet, older one (master 3) is definitely for me.... I am using it right now, and planning buying another one for my office. I don't think that it's worth updating(for me personally), since it's an awesome mouse with some minor improvements. I am using it with unifying receiver with mx keys plus and I am not sure about compatibility between it and newer (bolt) receiver. Also I would like to mention that it's cheaper now because of new (3s) model and I think how it's great deal. Battery will last like 60-70 days (for real) but if you are using it for gaming it will last like 20-30 days, which is good because it takes like 2 minutes to charge it. Idk what to say Logitech is Swiss company, their products are of a good quality and In my opinion it's not expensive at all for that level of reliability. PS
Hey Djuro, yes, I agree that the 3S is not worth the upgrade if you already own the MX3 unless you really prefer quieter clicks and maybe the color. I'd definitely go with the MX3 since it's cheaper. I actually don't use the Bolt or Unifying receiver and just use Bluetooth instead. I used to have glitches with Bluetooth many years ago, but with newer Bluetooth versions, I think most of the issues are ironed out. The Bolt isn't compatible with the MX3 from what I remember seeing.
@@DemCrumblies Thank you for that information about compatibility. I use it with unifying and Bluetooth as well, It works without glitches with my new TP-Link adapter, but Bluetooth on my old macbook can't find it... I do a lot of design and 3d modeling (solid, siemens nx, fusion etc) and its great. I mean it's great tool and I don't think that newer version with 8k Dpi will give me anything useful.
@@djuroradulovic1371 Hey Djuro, it's weird it can't be found by the Macbook since most BT versions should be backwards compatible, but maybe that is why Logitech also sells some hardware that is for Mac only. Yea I never missed 8K DPI before, so it definitely isn't needed for me either.
@@DemCrumblies Well it's actually an older version of macbook pro (mid 2010) but it's still ok and I've been using it on windows 8.1 for my workshop (icloud removal lol). Actually that macbook is not compatible with many of new devices including my gaming bluetooth keyboard, so I'm assuming that it has some kind of a vintage BT adapter in it.
@@djuroradulovic1371 Wow, was it hard to load Windows on it? Is it like dual boot, or just Windows now? Yea maybe older BT versions have some kind of cutoff in terms of backwards compatibility. Must be pretty good build quality if it has lasted that long though.
Yea that's a pretty big upgrade. The software is also pretty full featured. I just wish it was easier to keep the mouse clean, but the grippy material makes cleaning harder. Which color did you get btw?
@@DemCrumblies Graphite as it fits better to my black K800 and hides the dead skin deposits a bit better. Yes the program specific settings come in handy too. This is one of those products you didn't really need but make it hard to go back once you tried it. Many thanks for the video and have a great day Sir.
Hey Vikrant, yes this mouse is a bit on the heavier side. It is the same weight as the previous MX Master 3, so I guess this is your first MX 3 mouse. If you try to use the mouse on your desk without a mousepad, how do you find it moving? I usually use mine on the desk directly. Another option if you want a quiet and light mouse is to get the Logitech Lift Vertical Mouse: ua-cam.com/video/v360WKMQhiA/v-deo.html
Honestly I changed it because i want a quieter click,but return it, because left button make to much noise in comparison with right button. I normally use a Microsoft presenter mouse that work great and click sound are ok but no Bluetooth or recharge battery
Hmm that's weird, could it be defective? When I did the sound test in my video, does yours sound the same in terms of the noise level between the right and left click buttons?
So far it isn't stained, but I can't say that will be the case over time. On my MX 3, the left click button is smooth now due to wear and prolonged use, so I think the same with happen with the pale grey too because the material feels exactly the same.
@@DemCrumblies Good thing I went with the Black for the 3S. I sooooooo wanted to buy the Pale Gray for work but based on my 1 YO MX 3 I had my doubts big time. Have you manged to find a way to clean the the rubber? Been thinking about using a microfiber towel, dawn, and wiping it down. Doubt that will make it look like new again but Black is the best color to get longterm it seems
@@henri6595 Yea good call on the black, because it's likely just a matter of time until it stains. I've only ever tried to clean my older MX 3 with warm water and a microfiber towel, but no luck. I read that the smoothing that I have on my left mouse button is due to oils from my fingers reacting to the plastic, so that means I won't be able to clean it. However, I haven't noticed any stains anywhere else on my MX 3. Dawn might be a good bet because it's pretty powerful. I never tried with soap because I didn't know if it would react with the material. If you decide to go through with it, I'd love to hear how it went.
This is just my opinion based on my preferences.. I like MX master 3 better because the clicky sound. My friend has the 3s, and I try it before I bought my Mx Master 3.. and I feel uncomfort with the "Silent" click, the click feeling just like when you using a broken button mouse.. 😅
Hey Hendro, yep, others have agreed with your stance on the silent click too. I got used to the soft click pretty quickly and I've come to prefer it over the louder or shaper clicks now. Let's see what they do with the MX4. It would be great if they offered an MX4 and MX4S for users to choose from.
this is an excellent straight forward review... Thank you
Thank you Jerome, I appreciate it!
You answered a question that no one else has: the click is not only quieter, but also softer. Thanks 👍🏻
Hey Michael, you're welcome! While it is softer, it still feels tactile enough to let you know that it was pressed. Thanks for watching 🙂
'S' for silent
When you ASSUME… you make an ASS out of U and ME.
It would make sense to think this… if it weren’t for the already available but not silent MX Master 2S
Definitely interested in the 3S for the silent clicks. After hearing that vertical lift one I might go ergonomic, love how silent it was. If only the new mechanical keyboard was as quiet
I'm actually using the Vertical Lift for the majority of my daily use since I spend at least 8 hours on the computer, and I use the 3S on my second computer. I did a review about the Lift too, but I forgot to mention that you can get horizontal scrolling on it by using the back or forward side buttons to temporarily modify the vertical scroll wheel to a horizontal scroll wheel. Made a quick video about it if you're seriously considering the Lift.
@@DemCrumblies why are you using two different mice for your two computers?
Both mice allow easily switching devices and have Logitech Flow, don't they?
@@sebastianjost Hey Sebastian, I actually have three mice. I use the Logitech Lift Vertical on my main computer for ergonomics, and I use the MX 3S on my second computer. The MX3 is just for backup now since I bought the MX 3S. While they do have fast switching and I have some paired between computers for transferring files with Logitech Flow, I still keep more than one for review purposes and to answer questions from viewers.
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Hey I am curious about how close to white the mx master 3s you have is.
I want to have a clean white setup and the Old MX Master 3 in Grey is not an option.
Would you mind telling me how it looks next to the Aluminium/White Apple Magic Keyboard if you have or maybe share a pic on twitter?
kind regards
@@yesaneul9088 Hey Yesaneul, sorry I don't own any Apple products, but I did take a photo of the mouse against a plain white piece of printer paper and near a PS5 Dual Sense controller so you have an idea: drive.google.com/file/d/1fd8ZBlDWy1Aife7qb47YTmRDL5yZCmYN/view?usp=sharing
I hope that helps.
@@DemCrumblies Thank you very much for sharing, helped a lot.
More like a creamy white as it seems. Still not really what I am looking for.
Might need to get creative and DIY with some acryllic paint I guess
@@yesaneul9088 Yea it's definitely an off-white. Good luck on your quest for the perfect all white setup!
@Global Communications Yep, I heard the same sentiment from a handful of others too. I've been in the hard click life for a long time, but since I moved to the Logitech Lift with quiet clicks, I got really accustomed to it now. Actually when I'm on calls, I can get away with clicking & browsing and no one knows 😉 But after using the MX Mechanical keyboard now, I still understand the appeal of wanting to hear that click. You can still feel the click, but it feels softer... maybe because the loud click is gone?
Let's see what they do with the MX 4. I wonder if they will continue the trend or just release two versions, a 4 and a 4S.
Definitely buying the 3, because I’m done with silent mouses. I want the old school clicking sound and feel. Thanks for the in-depth comparison!
Thanks for watching! I've converted to the silent side completely now, so yea it's good they still have the 3 for people who want a more tactile experience.
@@DemCrumblies Yeah I’ve been using silents for years but it’s time for me to go back. Good vid still!
Good review. You did a great sound test, but you forgot to mention that the 3S mouse clicks also feel softer and mushier than the louder clicker 3!!! The soft mushy clicks on the 3S was the deal-breaker for me. Hopefully MX Master 4 adds back more crisp clicky mouse buttons like the 3 grrrr
Hey C J, you're right, I should have placed more emphasis on the soft click feeling. I was so used to the Logitech Lift, which has the same soft click and noise that I forgot how jarring the change could be to users of the traditional MX line. I actually grew to love the soft click feeling because I still work just as far, but I can understand those who want that more tactile feel and confirmation. I think they will have to add it back to the MX4 because the soft click on the MX3S had mixed reception.
yea i noticed that too while testing them at the store. I think i will go with the 3 for that exact reason. The crisp clicks are the only difference that matter to me, the other 2 things i wouldnt care anyway so its the same mouse literally.
@@DemCrumblies Yeh I just tested it and my brain hates it.. I was never annoyed by the sound... but I guess it'll have to get used to like when I got polarized lenses.
Yea maybe give it a week or two and see. I love the quiet when working now with the silent clicks.@@blakearius
I have that exact model of Salter Kitchen Scales with glass top. 😎
Thanks for this comparison review. 🙏🏻
Looks like we have similar tastes 😀
perfect review. covered all aspects.💯
Thanks Amir 👍
Just the review I was looking for, thank you! Ordered the MX 3s through the link in your description 👊 Looking forward to the horizontal scrolling while editing in davinci resolve. That alone is going to be a huge time saver.
Thank you very much for watching my video and using my link Chris! Yep, being able to scroll through the timeline is a huge benefit. Which color did you get btw?
@@DemCrumblies Went with the Graphite
@@ChrisEdi You won't have to worry about discoloration showing easily on Graphite. Enjoy!
@@DemCrumblies Thanks! Looking forward to using it
I sold my MX M3 to buy the 3S, I prefer the quieter clicks & the subtle thud (if you can call it that), but Logitech could've done more to tempt MX M3 users over, like moving the device switch button to the top, or if that wasn't possible right now, I don't see why device switching couldn't be added to the gesture button options. But you're right about the magspeed scroll, it would be hard to go back to normal scrolling. Cheers.
Hey Kam, that is such an excellent point about moving the device switch button somewhere on the top. In addition to letting gestures perform the same function, they could have allowed the shift wheel button to be remapped to device switch too.
Was it worth it now that you used it a couple of months? I just yesterday bought the MX M3 Mac because my wireless Razer mouse was giving huge issues with the scroll wheel (1 click = 500% zoom usually)
Anyway, I am now considering if I should return the MX 3 Mac and get the new 3S - I did get the M3 for 990 SEK (100 dollars/100 euros roughly) vs 1290 SEK (130 dollar/euros) for the new version, I didn't even know the 3S existed because I rushed to the closest store right before they closed since I am working in illustrator on a timeline - but there's a 50 day return policy so I would have no problem paying 30 dollars more if the software is actually better / if its easier to customize buttons etc, and the quieter clicks are something considered worth changing it out!
@@najZSwe yeah, for me it was definitely worth the upgrade, I mostly use with my android tablet & Windows, it's very precise on both & I've always preferred the silent clicks.
This was a very helpful review! This was exactly what I was hoping to find. Thanks.
Glad to hear that Tim. Good luck 👍
Finally an unbiased, honest opinioned comparison... thank you so much
Glad it was helpful Andrew! Yea, unless you like the quiet click and need a higher DPI, it doesn't really make sense to upgrade.
Thanks man much appreciated, I got the mx3 coming this Saturday.
Nice, you will enjoy it! By the way, which mouse are you upgrading from?
@@DemCrumblies A cheap one from a company called Omoton that i got from amazon in 2020, it started to get courser shake when not in my hand it is very annoying.
@乇ᗪㄩ乃 Oh this will be a huge step up then. Just be sure to download the Logitech software to get full functionality out of your new mouse. Enjoy, and thank you for watching my video 😀
@@DemCrumblies Thanks man, no worries have a good day/night.
@@EDUB9X3 Same to you!
Finally, a mouse with "thoc" lol been waiting for something like this from the mid 90's ! hahaha
Digging it. The only gripe ive had is the click area wears into a smooth shiny area making it look older and more worn than it really is. Wish they would make that out of something else. Well done review.
Yep, you're right! You can probably see it on my MX Master 3 in the video. The left click button is super smooth and worn out now. It's a bit embarrassing for me when people see that area, but yea, until they improve it, we're stuck. I guess we put a lot of hours and work into our mice.
I completely agree. My MX 1 and MX3 both aged terribly, and look really bad after a short time. Also they don’t travel well without getting dirty.
@@commandohazelnuts Yea, and the rubberized texture holds onto dust easily and rubbing or blowing it off isn't easy.
They sell the top shells but for 20 bucks that's a bit much.
@@tookallyourmoney Hey did you mean Logitech sells them or a third party seller? I don't think I've seen shells on the Logitech site before.
Thanks for the video. Very helpful. Have a great day!
I'm happy it was helpful B! Take care 😀
Glad they brought this one out cuz I'm running the 3 with modified switches
Yea if you're a fan of quiet clicks, this is pretty quite, same as on their Logitech Lift.
I've been using the mx revolution for years. It's an amazing mouse but it's old now haha. I'm thinking if picking up the S. I'll miss the docking station, but the usb-c it's a solid upgrade. Thanks for the review!
Sounds like you got a lot of good use from your MX Revolution. Since I always have USB Type C cables around, I prefer charging that way instead of using the docking station like with older Logitech products because it frees up desk space too. Which color would you get if you get the 3S?
I wanted an MX Mouse and got the new 3S as it was just out and while I can't speak for the older models the 3S is absolutely fantastic. Wonderful bit of kit.
I'm glad you're enjoying yours! How do you like the magspeed scroll wheel? I leave it in the free spin mode.
How bad is the soft mushy click? I want to buy it but for the money, I cant make a mistake, if I play a game now and then with it, will it be a problem?
Hey Jan, I'm not sure if you are asking me or C J, but I really don't think the soft click is a problem. You may "feel" like it is not tactile, but the response time is exactly the same as on the MX 3 mouse. If you plan on gaming, it can work, but a gaming mouse is better for games that require fast, twitch-like reactions like FPS shooters.
@@DemCrumblies Yeah absolutely, Im far from a gamer. I play WarThunder from time to time, it worked fine for me with MX2. I am sure then it will be odd at first. Tell me please then can you have accidental clicks and how much less pressure you have to put on it to click, I feel like that will give me a picture of a filling to some extent. Thank you and a pretty nice video btw yeah.
@@janloncaric3621 Hey Jan, I clicked the button on both mice and it feels like I have to use slightly less pressure on the MX 3S, but it isn't a very noticeable difference. I haven't had any accidental misclicks or double clicks due to the lower actuation force or pressure required for the MX 3S. I think most people feel that it is very soft because it doesn't make that click sound. You definitely feel the click register and it is still tactile with the MX 3S.
This is exactly the review I was looking for. I purchased the 3 only one day before the 3s came out and I was wondering if I should return it. I don't really like the quieter click, and I don't have the need for it to be quiet so I think I will stick with the 3.
Yea, I read that some people view the reduced click noise as less appealing, so you still made a good choice with your MX 3.
Good to know that Comment Warrior. Looks like there is a benefit of the increased DPI that I didn't think of. You can still return your 3 right?
@@ThatGuyOverThereWeirdThat's great you won't be stuck with the 3.
the quiet click sucks
Great video! Extremely helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
You had me at first click! The M3 was just obnoxious compared to the S. Glad I got the info before i made the purchase. Cheers!
You'll love the 3S Tracy! I actually use both the 3S and the Lift Verical, which also has the quiet clicks. It's hard to consider going back to a noisy mouse again now.
@@DemCrumblies I also happy to finally have horizontal scrolling when editing. I’ve always been a $20 mouse person. So your review helped me feel like a made the right decision. 👍🏼
Great job!
Thanks for the comparison, I love my MX Master 3 but probably won't be rushing out to upgrade any time soon. I honestly have headphones on most of the time anyway so even though the click reduction would be good for an office environment, it really doesn't apply to me too much at home.
Yea, for just two upgrades, it definitely isn't worth it over the MX 3. Hopefully the MX 4 will be worth the upgrade whenever it comes out.
Don't do it, I'd trade a 3s for a 3 in an instant.. it feels squishy and terrible compared to my master 2
Excellent review!!!
Thanks Kevin! Glad it was helpful, and thank you for watching my video 🙂
Great review. My wife has been a long user of mice like the MX Master 2s she never wanted to upgrade (I use a MX Master 3) since it can work on almost any surface. She wasn't a heavy laptop user, I had got her a chromebook from Acer and she eventually told me she hated it so I gifted her my Pixelbook i7 with 512GB NVMe SSD and 16GB RAM with a crazy near 4K touchscreen and totally silent. I then did some engineering and got it to run windows 10 with all features. Then I left my MX3 as her mouse. She immediately wanted one. Lol. So she has the MX3s now in Pale Grey which matches the Pixelbook. She likes the quiet buttons, I like more tactile. 4000 dpi works fine for me. Love these mice use USB C charging.
Hey @alk3myst (cool name btw)! Great to hear that she loves the MX3S, I've gotten so used to silent clicks now that I find it strange when a mouse has a loud audible click now. Some people hate the quiet click because they feel like there isn't enough tactile feedback without it also, but I love it! Yea the USB type C charging is handy too. Maybe later we might even get wireless charging on a compatible Qi enabled mouse pad. Waiting to see what they do with the MX4 next. Btw, just a heads up that the Pale Grey can get discolored quickly. I've been wiping mine down with a damp cloth every couple of weeks to avoid it. Thanks for watching 🙂
To be honest, the biggest reason I got the 3S over the cheaper 3 is the white (pale grey) color way. I’ve always hated how there was no white option to match my setup before, and finally I can have USB-C vs the micro-usb on my 2S
Yea the pale grey does look pretty sharp, especially with the back silvery type trim. Which type of white keyboard are you using?
I have a pale grey MX Master 3, not 3S.
When I bought my MX 3, I don't remember seeing the option for pale gray or I would have got that, but I saw in some older videos that people had it too.
@@DemCrumblies pale grey is what they call this current white model for 3S. The 3 had mid grey
Ah ok, makes sense. The grey I saw on the older MX3 seemed a bit darker.
You don't need to click the button to scroll without the tactile increments. That automatically changes when you scroll quickly, which is the best feature. The only problem is that when you do click the button and scroll slowly without the tactile feel, it still scrolls the screen incrementally rather than smoothly, so there is never smooth scrolling. I like the clicking.
Yea they have the smart shift feature in the Logi+ software to switch between the ratchet scrolling and smooth scrolling. I love having it on smooth scrolling all the time, so I turn off smart shift personally.
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Lol glad you approved of my certified testing methodology 😁
Great review! I currently use G305 but my GF is annoyed by clicking noise so I think this is a perfect solution.Review is just what I wanted to know, thanks!
Thanks Galicius! If you're going to be using this for any gaming, Logitech recommends using the Logi USB Bolt instead of Bluetooth for best performance.
Or you can just swap the switches to kailh silent red instead of buying a new mouse, there are places selling the switch with PCB, so you don't need to solder anything
I love the mouse but hate the light grey color that I got. After only 1 month of use the light grey rubber is dirty and dingy and stained from the natural oils in my skin and nothing I used was able to get the staining out. I ended up buying a broken black MX 3 and putting the top shell from that onto the lower of the MX 3S. Now I don't have to worry about a nasty dirty looking mouse and it now imo looks cool with the black upper and silver lower part. Also regarding tracking on glass, it does work. I bought a glass mouse pad a few weeks ago and it works like a dream. The difference between my glass mouse pad and what you used is that my glass mouse pad has a texture etched into it, or rather casted? into it. Where the surface isn't completely smooth, but this is definitely the best mouse pad I have EVER used and it works with old Redragon mouse too.
Yea I really don't know why Logitech won't consider changing the rubberized type of material since lots of people have complaints with the discoloration issue. Mine is slightly discolored too, but I usually try to wipe it down with a damp cloth every month or so to keep it from getting too bad. Would love to see a photo of your hybrid mouse if you wanna share though!
That quiet click is worth the upgrade on its own for sure
Yea I've gotten so used to quiet clicks now. Thanks for watching 🙂
I bought the white one and ended up returning it because it stains way too easy and does not rinse off at all. I tried this with two different white 3s mice and they both got stained after about a week of use. I just bought the black one instead. I even tried wearing thumb gloves and it still stained!
Yea, unless you're cleaning it with a damp cloth regularly, it easily stains. Also the rubberized type of finish also makes it harder to clean.
Wow that is good to know. Appreciate the heads up.
I hope the 3S will also get a space grey version for mac. I love that colour scheme, but also love the silent clicks of the 3S.
I wonder if they'll add a new color to the 3S, or just focus on an MX 4 next. Since the 3S is just a slight refresh of the MX 3, I think they are a bit overdue for an MX 4.
Thx for review, will get the mx3 because of its click sound, hate clicking with no sound.
I have really gotten used to the reduced click noise, but I understand wanting the complete feel of tactility and sound feedback.
One reason I can see to get the new mouse is it supports Logi Bolt. That seems to be needed to do some of the multiple computer support feature on the new MX Mechanical Wireless Keyboard and other new Logi products.
Yea it definitely helps and Logitech said it offers the best latency. However, I've been using the MX Mechanical, Logitech Vertical Lift and MX 3, and now MX 3S all on Bluetooth only, and it still allows me to switch between devices effortlessly.
@@DemCrumblies great. Do I just need to install Flow on my Mac and Linux system?
@@JBoy340a hi Jerry, yes it has to be installed on all devices and setup on each device.
There reason why I upgraded mine (Master 3) was:
-Clicking noise
- Bolt Technology, allows me to connect MX keys mini and the mouse with only one receiver
Not sure if it's me but I notice the side scrolling wheel has more firmness to it, great mouse, there's not competition in this case
Hey JD, the side scrolling wheel definitely is a bit more firm on the MX 3S. At first I wasn't sure if it was because I didn't break it in yet, but maybe it is stiffer to avoid accidental brushes of the thumb?
Yea having the ability to use the Logi Bolt is great, but I've been using Bluetooth for the longest while to free up USB slots on my laptop and it's been surprisingly stable. Enjoy your new mouse.
I never used the MX Keys keyboard, but is that also quiet when typing?
@@DemCrumblies Don't get me wrong after a few days I like the stiffness of the side scrolling wheel, I'm a bit more precise now with it.
Mx Keys and Mx Keys mini aren't the quiet keyboards it's quite that any mechanical for sure but what it's really fascinating is the travelling, I'm fast typer and I improve speed with this keyboard besides that controlling multiple system is easy with Flow technology the Keyboard follows the mouse so both devices switch at the same time
@@JD_Therapy Yea it's really a time saver being able to use Flow between my laptop and desktop for transferring files. Probably my favorite feature. Since I switch to the MX Mechanical, I also noticed that my typing speed a bit faster now too. Btw, what is battery life like on your MX Keys? The battery life on the MX Mechanical is not supposed to last more than 15 days if you keep the backlight on. With it off, it's supposed to last 10 months.
@@DemCrumblies Yes, it all comes down to the lightning feature, I barely use the keyboard backlit so it last me around 4 months occasionally backlit used. easy to transport, I take it with me and my MacBook Pro 14 all the time, so pretty good when it comes to battery life
@@JD_Therapy So far mine has been good because I only use the reactive light mode where it lights up the key when you press it. Btw since you mentioned you are on Mac, have you experienced any mouse delays or scrolling delays? Others in the comments have mentioned this issue, but I haven't experienced it with the 3 or 3S.
I just bought one and have been using it for three days now - no experience on the older mouse. The new one is really good, and the click is so quiet I can barely hear it. I hate a loud clicking mouse.
Yea once I experienced quiet clicks, it's going to be hard to consider a mouse with a loud click again.
that free scroll thing is probably the best thing i ever used, i got a g502 for my birthday which has a free scroll and its amazing lol. the 3s is gonna be on sale soon where i work and im definietly buying it
Ohh, I never knew the G502 had the same free scroll 👀. Yea with the upcoming Black Friday sales, it'd be a great time to get one.
Was looking for a quieter mouse for the studio apartment my wife and I share and one minute in I already have the answer with that click test. Thanks for making it perfectly clear. 👍
Glad it was helpful Kribby! I use the 3S and the Logitech Vertical Lift mouse, which also has the same quiet clicks, but it better if spend tons of hours every day on the computer.
I just invested in a 14" MacBook and thought the 3S was a great improvement over the MacMouse. Thanks for the review. My unit did not come with a bolt receiver which was fine.
Hey Milch, congrats on the new 14" MacBook. I wonder why yours didn't come with the bolt receiver. If it's something you may want in the future, maybe you can email Logitech support about mailing one out to you just in case. I use the MX 3S via Bluetooth also. Btw, now that you've experienced the quiet clicking, does it feel less tactile than a traditional mouse? I've really grown to love the quiet click.
The device switching is what gets me, also mine is due for a replacement. Great video mate.
Glad you found it helpful Isaac!
Another difference is the change to the bolt usb dongle which requires software to drive it. Fine on personal computers, but on office computers, this often isn't possible.
Good point Peter. Some viewers mentioned that due to their office policy, they cannot install the Logitech software for full functionality.
wow pale grey (off white) colorway looks gorgeous! brings out the beautiful design hues of the mouse muchhhh better than the graphite color
Yea you can easily see the contours and details with the pale grey.
@@DemCrumblies was about to order the slightly boring standard graphite until i saw this vid. getting the pale grey color now 😍
Nice, you'll enjoy it!
Amazing review ,thanks )))
Thank you Максим Платинум! I'm glad it was helpful 😀
Definitely going to upgrade. The practically silent clicking is going to make my wife happy. My computer is about 3 feet from our bed so the loud clicking of my MX Master 3 disturbs her a little when she’s trying to sleep at night. A whopping $30 more, though, but…..I’m gonna get it.
Yea, it'll definitely make a difference if you're that close. Even for me, I just prefer the silent clicks now when I'm working alone. Thanks for watching 🙂
That is a sexy mouse. I prefer the click noise though
Yea there's still a decent amount of people who prefer the click. Do you already own the MX Master 3?
i just bought the master 3 so i was annoyed when I knew that they released another version but I don't think im mising alot
Your master 3 is still great! The new 8K DPI isn't a game changer and if you don't care about click noises, then it's an easy pass.
Nah you did the right thing spending 50 more on the ''improved'' one would make you an idiot sandwich. Now you got yourself a good deal and ergonomic mouse while having the time to wait for the 4 and see if the new design big improvements are worth upgrading.
I prefer to have a click sound anyway.
Facts same here
lol got the 3s :)))
To the point and clear showing of good/bad...perfect review
Thank you Junior Holder 🙂
Your review convinced me to buy this mouse. I got it mostly for its customizability via Logi Options, but I should have known better -- it's Logitech software. Attempted on Mac. Returning it.
Hey Pepperfingers, sorry to hear that. I didn't know that the software experience on Mac would be that dismal. I know they just released the Logitech Lift Vertical mouse for Mac, so I thought they would have a polished software experience to match already. Hopefully they improve the software in future updates.
Finally! This heavy clicky sound was driving me crazy all these years with my 2S! Thanks for the review.
Glad the review was helpful! It's definitely a welcome change with the reduced click noise for me.
I have both and will be returning the 3S hate the silent click seems cheap almost like because of parts shortages they just used switches from their cheaper mice. Also, the middle scroll button clicks when you push it in, so there is a disconnect in that, that will still click.
I also have the 2S and actually prefer the shape of that the side scroll wheel is lower and the middle wheel is more clicky/ratchety when you set it to that mode, but still totally smooth when off.
Yea I understand the silent clicks aren't for everyone, but I've actually grown to like it on a mouse, especially when I'm working late at night. I never owned the 2S, but I can see that the side scroll wheel does look a little sleeker in they way it's integrated.
Pretty sure the DPI are for more precision, it has nothing to do with how well it works on different surfaces; that would depend on the sensor technology per se, not it's DPIs.
That makes sense, thanks for pointing it out. On the MX Master 3S product page it says tracks on any surface, so I thought the sensor was upgraded for that purpose too.
@@DemCrumblies That was a feature they boasted about since the MX Master 1
@@TheEchelon Yea they keep getting away with it by saying on virtually any surface.
They said it would be working on glass.
Not sure about this.
Not worth the upgrade.
I will by the MX3
It would be interesting to have a mouse that also has wireless charging as I already have a wireless phone charger on my desk.
That would honestly be so amazing, especially if you can flip a switch to turn that feature on and off to prevent overcharging.
Great detailed and thorough review :)
Thanks Blue Eagle Fly! Glad it was helpful 😀
The problem with the 3S version is that it is absolutely necessary to use the Logi Option+ software otherwise it does not work. With the MX3 version, it was possible to use it without any compatibility problem between several devices (TV, Android, computers, etc.)
Yea, others have pointed out that they cannot use this mouse in some work environments where installation of certain software like Logi Option+ is prohibited on company computers.
I wish the MX Master 3 was still being sold, it'd be nice to have a newer model than my 2S without having to get the quiet clicks :/
I actually prefer silent clicks now, might be worth a go to see if you can get accustomed to it. If not, another option would be to buy one used that isn't in too bad a condition maybe.
@@DemCrumblies I honestly might end up getting one for my iPad at some point. The silent clicks wouldn't be too bad for using it on the go
@@washthisgardenwithblood3585 Yea give it a go. Btw, since i reviewed this, I actually bought a Logitech Lift mouse (also with quiet clicks) that I use wayyy more since it's more ergonomic. I prefer it way more and I adjusted to it within a week of getting it.
got my mx master 3 a year and a half or so ago, and the rubber is starting to show its age. been thinking of getting a replacement mouse and the 3s looks like it has enough upgrades to be worth paying again.
Hey redgt, the main upgrades are the 8K sensor and silent clicks, but you'll still run into the same rubber issue.
Considering I'm coming from the original MX Master, I hope that the MX Master 3S is worth the upgrade. :)
Coming from the original MX, I think you'll notice the upgrade. It is almost worth it for the quiet clicks for me to be honest because I've gotten so used to quiet clicks now.
Currently writing this comment with a MX Master 3s. I've already got my return order placed on amazon for this piece of junk and ordered a Razer Pro Click Humanscale instead.
No one told me that the MX Master 3s would somehow be a 125hz mouse in the 2020s despite being almost $100. What a joke. I ordered it thinking there's no way it's not a 1000hz mouse like is standard these days - but it's not.
Thanks for putting the Razer Pro Click Humanscale on my radar. Never seen it before, but it looks beautiful. If I ever have issues with my MX series, I know what to try next.
3 months ago bought MX Master 3, rechargeable battery is already dead.
Luckily, still have old MX Master. I was using it probably for more than 10 years and it is still alive. The size of it is match better. Master 3 is smaller for my hand.
Sorry to hear that. If it's only been 3 months, you can contact Logitech directly. I had to do that before with another model and they shipped me a replacement because it was under a year.
@@DemCrumblies already did, but it’s very surprising to have this issue so soon.
@@FuadJavadov Yea that's strange. Both my MX3 and MX3S are still working well. Maybe it's a battery issue if you say it's dead.
Great review! Do we know what is the difference with the MX Master 3s for Business? Is this an upgraded version of 3s?
Seems like the Business model just has an additional year of warranty, bringing it to two years from what I saw online.
Definitely prefer clicky returned 3S for 3.
MX 3 still quite capable that the 3S isn't a warranted upgrade unless you want silent clicks and the 8K sensor.
I'll pass on the upgrade. No problems with "3" moving around on my desktop and I barely hear the clicking. Plus I don't even use the scroller and 2 buttons on the left. Now, your review had piqued my interest in those and I'll check them out. I'll wait for a more substantial difference - maybe the "4." Thanks for a great review!
Hey Rod, I totally agree. The upgrade to the 3S is not worth it if you already own the 3. It's like a slight refresh with a new color, quieter clicks and better tracking sensor, but like you said, the sensor on the 3 served everyone fine all these years already. I hope the MX 4 will be a worthwhile upgrade.
They still both sell for the same price. Then of course people will choose the new one. They should lower the price of older version by $20 dolloars.
I agree. The strange thing is that when I check Logitech's official website, I only see the MX 3 for Mac and MX 3 Business Mouse. I don't see a regular MX 3 product page, so I'm thinking the 3S will replace it and they'll stop making it? At all the other retailers with existing MX 3 stock, I guess they're still trying to sell it for the same price unless Logitech offers them some kind of rebate.
The 3s feels nice when you click it.
Agree 100%. Some people think it feels soulless or not like a real mouse with the silent click, but I've grown to really love it.
It is probably worth mentioning that the MX Master 3S uses the Logi Bolt USB Receiver, which is not compatible with the USB Unifying Receiver. Both receivers are using a USB 2 type (Type-A), which is disappearing from most computers nowadays, replaced by USB 3 (Type C).
If you are using Bluetooth, it is indeed not important.
But if you want to integrate it with other existing Logitech products connected with Unifying, it will not work.
In some cases, Logitech has added "for Business" to the name of Bolt products, like the "MX Master 3 for Business". It gives the impression that they will name all Bolt products with "for Business". But it is not true, as illustrated with this "3S". And in their "Business" products line, they still have Unifying products...
It seems that Logitech wants to continue selling both Unifying and Bolt, duplicating all their products. So if you do not want to keep 2 Logitech receivers on all your devices, you have to either stick with the previous Unifying, renew all your products n Bolt, or move completely to Bluetooth.
Good points Marie-Jean. Thank you for mentioning that one USB receiver will not be compatible for all Logitech products.
Logitech said the Logi Bolt is best for low latency, but I don't know how the latency compares to the Unifying receiver. If it's better, then maybe they will try to switch over to Bolt only for future products?
A good review, but somehow you've missed the most amazing, important features of the scrolling wheel: 1) That it _automatically_ unlocks and spins freely if you jerk it quickly enough -- no need to even press the unlock button; 2) That it's a solid piece of metal with huge inertia, so it spins for a very long time (seconds on end), and, in addition, the cold, finely machined metal just feels amazing compared to the regular rubberized plastic.
Hey Sergey, thanks! I actually turn off Smart Shift because I like to have it on free spin all the time, but you're right, I should have mentioned that feature for people who are not aware of it. Once you get spoiled with how smooth and fluid the scroll wheel is, it's really hard to consider other mice for sure.
@@DemCrumblies I guess it also meant that there's no difference on the wheel then?
@@AnanananChin You're correct, there is no change on the magspeed wheel. However, the horizontal side scroll wheel feels a little stiffer on the MX 3S. Maybe it will loosen up over time though?
@@DemCrumblies Horizontal wheel is super loose and sensitive. Just bought it for a month and already had a million accidental scrolls. :D
also realized that the middle wheel can shift left/right just a little bit to make a clicking sound, not sure if it's just mine or a general thing
Does the 3S still have he rubberized coating/ I have oily hands and the rubberized coating gets sticky and degrades really fast. Major bummer for me.
Yes, unfortunately it's the same rubberized coating like on the MX Master 3. I think the only changes are the 8K DPI and 90% quieter clicks.
@@DemCrumblies Thanks much.. The mouse is an investment. I really don't want to have a potential problem after a shirt time. I work in a pretty humid place too .. Thanks.
@@sdaservicetv Yea, the full price for a mouse with only two slight changes is not worth it. Hopefully with the MX Master 4, they improve the materials because other viewers have mentioned the same issue about the rubberized material wearing away and being stained.
i agree, rubber on this mouse sucks...
@@wrends Yea, really hoping to move to another type of finish to prevent wear issues on the MX 4, whenever that comes out.
I love the new white color, I have a mid gray MX Master and it has some stains now, even after cleaning with alcohol. I'm worried the same would happen to this one.
Unfortunately, the same thing will happen to this one because the material is exactly the same as on the MX 3, so it will just be a matter of time.
@@DemCrumblies makes sense, I saw a video where they mentioned the material is different but I don't know if it will make a big difference. Thinking of just keeping my mx master 3 for now. The silenced switches are interesting but not a huge difference. I wish they had made it lighter.
@@nefitru I didn't confirm the material by asking Logitech, but if I run my finger across both the MX 3 and the MX 3S, they feel exactly the same to me. Also, the weight is still exactly the same at 141 grams, so I think it's the same. Yea, unless you care about quieter clicks or the color, it is a waste of money to upgrade from the MX 3.
I have a question, the mice are completely the same except for 1. the volume of clicks, 2. the resolution of the sensor. big no difference?
Hi, yes that is exactly correct. If you do not care about click noise or the upgraded sensor, there is no reason to get the 3S.
Ah well, it has Teams shortcuts to mute yourself in meetings, so nu quiet clicking mandatory if you wanna keep working during boring meetings :P
That's such a good point, I didn't even think of that benefit!
the only thing I wish they would have done is put a 3rd button on the side of the mouse to cycle through different devices, just like the M720 Triathlon.
Yea, having a quick switch button anywhere except the bottom would be so efficient. Even the option to remap the scroll wheel mode button to switch input devices would be nice.
I am eyeing for the MX Mechanical for gaming AND work... Been waiting for ages for the hybrid MX mouse that can be used for gaming and work...
I did a review on the MX Mechanical recently, it's pretty good, been using it for work mostly. I tried it using the Logi Bolt USB receiver and I did ok with some light gaming. I asked Logitech about latency times, but I didn't get answer back yet. However, another commenter said they got an answer back saying that the Logi Bolt USB receiver is between 4 to 7 ms latency, so if the MX Mechanical and MX 3S are used, hopefully that number is accurate.
Do you need to use the receiver for this to work? Or will it work with just Bluetooth? I wanna save USB-A space
Hi Suki Maki, yes, you can use it with just Bluetooth. I always prefer to use Bluetooth to save USB ports too.
Is the tactile feeling (clicking feeling) better in the Master 3s? Other than just been quiet.
When I use the 3S, the click feels softer as well as being quiet. I still get the feeling of the clicks being registered, but for those who want a really tactile feel, maybe it will be seen as a downside.
I'm torn between the two. On one hand the 3S has a better sensor but on the other hand I personally like the loud clicks of the 3. I just picked up an MX Mechanical Mini and the MX Master would compliment it perfectly, especially in that graphite color.
Hey Alex, not sure if you already own the MX 3, but the tracking is already great on it, so I'd still recommend the MX 3 easily.
@@DemCrumblies I have a G502 right now, which is a great mouse but not wireless. Been eyeing the MX Master for a long time. I’m also wondering if the color would match my MX Mech Mini like the MX 3s in graphite would
Hey Alex, I can take a photo of my MX 3 and MX Mechanical so you can see how they look side by side. I can take it tomorrow when I have natural light and share the link in the comments. Is that ok?
Here's the link drive.google.com/file/d/1tPGC6JNlPwffWEBixSpvVQv0hoSSyhOC/view?usp=drivesdk
@@DemCrumblies Looks pretty nice actually. I ended up getting the 3S in graphite today and love it! Got the mid grey desk mat to go with it all and it is probably the best productivity set up I’ve had so far.
You forgot to mention one point that seals the deal for an upgrade , THE COLOR WOOOOHHHHOOOOOOOOOOO YEAAAAAH!
Good bye my MX Master 3 Graphite!
Lol yea, you're right, I forgot about that. Another viewer mentioned that they bought the pale grey 3S just to match the rest of their setup.
I have the 3S and the mouse is amazing but I don't like the silent clicks. That snappy response when you click helps inform you when you've hit the button. But I'll get used to it I guess...
Yes, I think you'll get used to it. I don't even notice it any more on either this mouse or the Logitech Lift, which also has the quieter click.
Are you guys getting a consistent click sound effect all across the area of LMB/RMB? I know this might be the OCD talking, but my 3S gives off that deliciously quiet and enjoyably tactile click only like 8 out of 10 times on average. The other 2 out of 10 clicks typically come from the area closer to the middle scroll wheel (although not only) and sound, well, sharper and "clickier", more like a standard switch (although not as loud). Not a big deal, I guess it's a standard feature of a mechanical input device, but I can't help thinking that the perfectly consistent standard click of the good old 3 wouldn't annoy me as much.
Hey Tomasz, I haven't really noticed much of a difference in sound or feedback, but when I tested it out just now, I noticed that my finger usually lands on the same spot during clicks so maybe that's why I don't notice any variance. The right click sounds slightly different than the left click though if I pay attention (not louder), but the tactile feedback is the same. If you're noticing it 2 out of 10 times, either you're really attuned or maybe your mouse has a defect. Might be a good idea to go in store and try one of the demo or display models to see if the same issue is present, although, those demo models sometimes take a beating from tons of people trying them.
The white is awesome but gets yellow in matter of days, hope they will fix the materials in the master 4
Yep, mine is already discolored and I don't even use it that much compared to my Logitech Lift mouse. The material really needs to be changed to make it more resistant to stains and to make it easier to clean too.
@@DemCrumblies yes I got the keyboard and mouse mat light grey all from Logitech for my white setup, but the mouse becoming yellow made me plan to return everything and use my old setup
@@cdlikecdrom yea, I understand. My Logitech Lift mouse is also a bit discolored too now. My MX Mechanical is still great since it isn't white. Either they need to change the material or give us the option to use snap-on shells to replacement damaged exteriors.
@@DemCrumblies Yeah, changing the shell every now and then might work, but I got my mouse 20 days ago and it is yellowing already, if it lasted 2 years at least I'd paint it white with an anti-stain spray. I have the MX mechanical mini in white too, worried it will get yellow too at some point
@@cdlikecdrom Wow 20 days is quick. I think it took around 3 to 4 months for me to notice staining on mine because I only use it for editing and not daily use. I have the MX is black, which doesn't show anything. I think you should be fine with the MX Mini because the material is different than on the MX3S. The MX3S material reacts poorly with moisture and oils from the skin. You think they would have listened to all the complaints from the previous MX model and fixed it by now. Disappointing really.
If you have the non S, no upgrading is optional, but it is a stellar mouse and if your old mx master is aging, dying and it's time to change, do not think, get it.
Totally agree. If your MX 3 is working fine, this is not a worthy upgrade unless you really like and prefer quieter clicks.
Thank you for your concise and informative review. I was watching another youtube video discussing this mouse and it was filled with so much unnecessary "cute" drivel I had to stop.
I know exactly what you're talking about. If I ever do that in my videos, feel free to call me out so I can stay grounded 😉Thank you for watching my video Ita!
Yeah the clicking alone is getting that 3s ordered 😅
I love the silent click too. Hard to go back.
time for an upgrade... i have 2s and i think i will be updating
The MX3S will be a great option, especially if you like silent clicks. Some people mentioned they had to return their MX3S because the silent click felt less tactile. So just keep that in mind because the MX3 is still a great option if you like to hear the clicks.
I am so glad I returned my master mx 3, it was soooo loud and annoying. I will buy the mx 3s
Sounds good, it will be a big change in noise. Which color are you thinking of getting btw?
@@DemCrumblies Black, I really like white but I afraid it will get dirty or yellow in a year or so 😪
@@Micha-bp5om Oh yea, it definitely will get discolored over time.
I think 3S "S" stands for SILENT.
That makes sense.
Isn’t the USB receiver different? Newer bolt vs old unifying
Yes the MX 3S has a new bolt receiver. Sorry if I forgot to mention that part.
My MX Master 2s outperforms my MX Master 3 mouse.
I hope the MX Master 3s does not dissappoint
Hey Re Vo, the two main differences between the MX 3 and MX 3S is that the 3S lets you set up to 8K DPI in the software (MX 3 has 4K DPI max). The other difference is the 90% quieter click noise. Size, shape, weight are all the same as with the MX 3.
Very difficult to contact the service no single warranty for the entire EU area You must return it to the country of purchase
Yea always a risk to buy outside the country you live in unfortunately, too bad they don't have a global warranty. What happened with yours by the way?
@@DemCrumblies I finally bought it in Poland and am currently testing it 418 zl Testing for autocad
Great review! Is the rubber they use for the body the same as the 3? I hope not cuz it wears off way too easily for me.
hey @T H the rubber feels exactly the same, I don't think anything has changed with the exterior design at all. Same dimensions and same weight too.
@@DemCrumblies appreciate the reply! That's unfortunate, was really hoping they changed the rubber. There have been so many complaints about the rubber used on the 3 sad to see it back on the 3s.
@@THZX-qk9fc Yea, it looks like the 3S is just a small refresh really. Hopefully, whenever the MX4 comes out, they listen to the community and do something about it.
On one of my MX Master 3 mice (late 2019 purchase) the rubberized coating deteriorated and became too sticky to use - I tried various cleaning methods to no avail. I switched to a newer (backup) MX Master 3 a few days ago which doesn't (yet?) have the dreaded sticky coating problem. There's a number of Reddit threads about the sticky coating issue. Outside of the sticky coating problem, the mouse covers a lot of bases well. The rapid metal scroll wheel is addictive as compared to other mouse designs.
@@CoachNation The rapid metal scroll wheel is the one thing I miss the most since I made the Lift Vertical mouse my main mouse. Every time I use my MX 3S on my second computer, I almost want to leave the Logitech Lift.
If Logitech will put an onboard memory on the MX master, that would be a game changer.
Yea I've seen a few comments about not being able to install Logitech's software on work computers, rendering any customization null.
Is the new one mostly white or actually grey?
It's like an off white. Here is an image I took to compare it against a standard sheet or printer paper and my white PS5 Dualshock: drive.google.com/file/d/1fd8ZBlDWy1Aife7qb47YTmRDL5yZCmYN/view?usp=sharing
If I just look at it without putting it next to anything white, it looks pretty white to me.
@@DemCrumblies thank you! It helped me a lot
@@YegorShevtsov Glad it helped Yegor : )
Since I updated my mechanical keyboard with blue switches, because the brown ones where too boring and quiet, older one (master 3) is definitely for me.... I am using it right now, and planning buying another one for my office. I don't think that it's worth updating(for me personally), since it's an awesome mouse with some minor improvements. I am using it with unifying receiver with mx keys plus and I am not sure about compatibility between it and newer (bolt) receiver. Also I would like to mention that it's cheaper now because of new (3s) model and I think how it's great deal. Battery will last like 60-70 days (for real) but if you are using it for gaming it will last like 20-30 days, which is good because it takes like 2 minutes to charge it. Idk what to say Logitech is Swiss company, their products are of a good quality and In my opinion it's not expensive at all for that level of reliability. PS
Hey Djuro, yes, I agree that the 3S is not worth the upgrade if you already own the MX3 unless you really prefer quieter clicks and maybe the color. I'd definitely go with the MX3 since it's cheaper. I actually don't use the Bolt or Unifying receiver and just use Bluetooth instead. I used to have glitches with Bluetooth many years ago, but with newer Bluetooth versions, I think most of the issues are ironed out. The Bolt isn't compatible with the MX3 from what I remember seeing.
@@DemCrumblies Thank you for that information about compatibility. I use it with unifying and Bluetooth as well, It works without glitches with my new TP-Link adapter, but Bluetooth on my old macbook can't find it... I do a lot of design and 3d modeling (solid, siemens nx, fusion etc) and its great. I mean it's great tool and I don't think that newer version with 8k Dpi will give me anything useful.
@@djuroradulovic1371 Hey Djuro, it's weird it can't be found by the Macbook since most BT versions should be backwards compatible, but maybe that is why Logitech also sells some hardware that is for Mac only. Yea I never missed 8K DPI before, so it definitely isn't needed for me either.
@@DemCrumblies Well it's actually an older version of macbook pro (mid 2010) but it's still ok and I've been using it on windows 8.1 for my workshop (icloud removal lol). Actually that macbook is not compatible with many of new devices including my gaming bluetooth keyboard, so I'm assuming that it has some kind of a vintage BT adapter in it.
@@djuroradulovic1371 Wow, was it hard to load Windows on it? Is it like dual boot, or just Windows now? Yea maybe older BT versions have some kind of cutoff in terms of backwards compatibility. Must be pretty good build quality if it has lasted that long though.
Coming from a "performance MX" I like this mouse a lot! The silent click, the magnetic wheel and the horizontal wheel are a major upgrade for me.
Yea that's a pretty big upgrade. The software is also pretty full featured. I just wish it was easier to keep the mouse clean, but the grippy material makes cleaning harder. Which color did you get btw?
@@DemCrumblies Graphite as it fits better to my black K800 and hides the dead skin deposits a bit better. Yes the program specific settings come in handy too. This is one of those products you didn't really need but make it hard to go back once you tried it. Many thanks for the video and have a great day Sir.
Smart. My pale grey version is already showing some staining, so you made the right call with the Graphite version. Thanks for watching 🙂
I got this on this Sunday
I see that it is extremely heavy and needs strength to move on a mouse pad.
Could you please add your experience?
Thank you
Hey Vikrant, yes this mouse is a bit on the heavier side. It is the same weight as the previous MX Master 3, so I guess this is your first MX 3 mouse. If you try to use the mouse on your desk without a mousepad, how do you find it moving? I usually use mine on the desk directly. Another option if you want a quiet and light mouse is to get the Logitech Lift Vertical Mouse: ua-cam.com/video/v360WKMQhiA/v-deo.html
Honestly I changed it because i want a quieter click,but return it, because left button make to much noise in comparison with right button. I normally use a Microsoft presenter mouse that work great and click sound are ok but no Bluetooth or recharge battery
Hmm that's weird, could it be defective? When I did the sound test in my video, does yours sound the same in terms of the noise level between the right and left click buttons?
Does the Pale Gray 3S stain overtime from regular use? I just ordered the 3S in black since my 3 Black 1Year Old has slight hand stain marks
So far it isn't stained, but I can't say that will be the case over time. On my MX 3, the left click button is smooth now due to wear and prolonged use, so I think the same with happen with the pale grey too because the material feels exactly the same.
@@DemCrumblies Good thing I went with the Black for the 3S. I sooooooo wanted to buy the Pale Gray for work but based on my 1 YO MX 3 I had my doubts big time.
Have you manged to find a way to clean the the rubber? Been thinking about using a microfiber towel, dawn, and wiping it down. Doubt that will make it look like new again but Black is the best color to get longterm it seems
@@henri6595 Yea good call on the black, because it's likely just a matter of time until it stains. I've only ever tried to clean my older MX 3 with warm water and a microfiber towel, but no luck. I read that the smoothing that I have on my left mouse button is due to oils from my fingers reacting to the plastic, so that means I won't be able to clean it. However, I haven't noticed any stains anywhere else on my MX 3. Dawn might be a good bet because it's pretty powerful. I never tried with soap because I didn't know if it would react with the material. If you decide to go through with it, I'd love to hear how it went.
@@DemCrumblies I'll give it a shot with the Dawn on the weekend after I receive the 3S, just in case I break the 3. I'll let you know how it went
@Henri Sounds good 👍
This is just my opinion based on my preferences.. I like MX master 3 better because the clicky sound. My friend has the 3s, and I try it before I bought my Mx Master 3.. and I feel uncomfort with the "Silent" click, the click feeling just like when you using a broken button mouse.. 😅
Hey Hendro, yep, others have agreed with your stance on the silent click too. I got used to the soft click pretty quickly and I've come to prefer it over the louder or shaper clicks now. Let's see what they do with the MX4. It would be great if they offered an MX4 and MX4S for users to choose from.