Should I Lie to the Government About This?
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If he has no savings, the last thing he should be worrying about is getting married.
She’s almost 70 years old. Don’t remarry-just keep your money and your peace
Why does her age make a difference?
@@colmcille9669because she only has so many years left in her life. She deserves peace and this man sounds like he’s trying to take advantage of her situation.
@@amandadaisies Oh I didn't get that from him but I have been overly trusting at times. She could live another 20 years though. I guess whatever she wants to do.
I'm guessing you assume that about every man in existence. Therefore I'll assume you're single since we're assuming things. He likes her and wants to do the right thing and get advice. Stop assuming everyone but you has ill intent just because they just so happen to be a male.@@amandadaisies
He has no money
You should definitely not go on a public talk show and tell people you are going to lie to the government.
Hahahaha
@@RPisa2416lol
They can’t do much people lie to the government all the time 🤫🤷🏽♂️
@@yuhboi8559Including the government itself lmao.
It's not a lie if they don't get legally married. A church wedding isn't a legal marriage of itself. That's just a symbolic gesture.
Divorced man worried about being godly while trying to defraud the government.
68 & 69, you don't need a sexual relationship. live together!
You don't know why he is divorced. Maybe she cheated on him and left.
@@andyauten628 and?
@@BeyondTigerMilk Is it fraud if he is not legally married?
68 yrs old chiropractor net worth of $20k. We just skipped right over this like it wasn’t even there.
He already gave all his money to the first wife
@@djpuplex when a judge awards everything from one spouse to another, something was not good. Even if judge gave half, why is a 68 yr old chiropractor only worth $20k? I’ve never made over $35k in my life at 55. I’ve had 2 failed relationships and I’m worth half million. This guy is horrible with money and if he lost it all in divorce, he did something horrible in his marriage
@@davesrvchannel4717why haven’t you made more than 35k in your life time?
@@davesrvchannel4717 I smell a narcissist. He needs her more than she needs him.
Chiropractors are already snake oil, so that doesn't surprise me
"I have nothing but this woman has money." Leave this woman alone!
At her age, she should not risk her financial security for anyone.
"I want to be a righteous man" unless there's money involved lmao smh
"I want to be a pharisee."
Exactly.
@@benmyers9030 Why are you okay with lying? Maybe you're the Pharisee. Their father was the father of the lie.
@@r.rodriguez4991I can't explain what I am and am not ok with because your brain is like a rock in a stream
Or more likely the lady who’s never been financially secure is worried if things don’t work out she’ll be in trouble.
I'm just laughing at how he muted the guy. Radio hosts know when they've got a talker on their hands. Let 'em go before you go in circles! 🤣
He does that with every caller
I love watching him reach for the button knowing the caller is on thin ice lol
Dude is a YAPPER
Can’t be out talking the radio hosts!! 😂😂😂
If he was on Jubilee he would hit the “button” first every time lol.
All this guy is trying to do is sure up his retirement with her husband's pension. This woman needs to proceed with extreme caution!
That seems exactly his plan. And Dave nailed it, it was to protect the widow, and this dude is doing exactly that. It won't end well for her at all.
Leave her alone. You have no money to maintain her.
When she loses that, then what ?
But they have been talking for a few months. 😅
This guy needs the money himself hes late 60s with no savings and no pension. He needs to grow up and realize the most high doesnt care about his financial situation or his geriatric bride to be but that would require discernment which is obviously not something hes learned in his many decades on earth.
Better to call a national show to ask about defrauding the state of new jersey
@JustinCase780 that's even worse. Leave her alone. Either live with her as is. Or let her go. You want her marry you and lose $4,000 per month. And you barley make $90,000. Per year. And it sounds like he unsure how much he even make. No savings. No pension. No nothing for her to fall back on. Just leave her alone.
Dave Ramsey doesn't want to tell him the truth. So I'll tell him for you Dave. I got your back. No worries.
@@benmyers9030 It's not fraud if they simply live together and hold a loving relationship unmarried.
Caller just wants to eat his cake and have it too. You can even do the ceremony and be married in your hearts just not legally. A marriage license is a made up document created by the state. Not him or the deity he follows. You don't need a license from the state to make it a marriage with his "God". Do you think the Amish get marriage licenses from their state? Many communities don't believe it's needed. They typically don't have SS numbers or IDs to do so as well. Both of which are required to get married in my state.
It's only fraud and deception if they legally get married and never notify NJ.
I also don't exactly trust his intentions with this considering he's in a fairly desperate financial situation for a 69 year old with only $20K to his name and no house owned or investments saved. That's the real issue here. He probably wants to eat his cake and have it too because he wants her SS and pension benefits in the event of her death because he's screwed financially without it if she passes.
He's using his "faith" as a facade for "doing the right thing" when he really isn't trying to. His dick and lust for cash is likely what's guiding him to do this.
"I don't wanna game the system... except that's exactly what I want to do."
I dont have any debt
Except mortgage
They marry, he drops dead in six months and she's in near poverty unless she marries again - or wins a lottery.
THAT was my thought/concern; she loses the pension then this new guy dies . . . if she chooses to marry him, I would Insist he get a million dollar term life policy where she is the Only beneficiary . . & make sure he doesn’t change it either!!
Yep, all the risk is on her. Plus this guy is broke so he'll not be leaving her anything
This was my thought!
He's 69 and has a net worth of only $20,000? His lady friend should maintain her financial independence and dump him -- unless she wants to be his sugar mama and risk her financial stability.
@@joygarrett8397Exactly! But good luck affording or qualifying for a million dollar life insurance policy at age 69. Zander sure as hell won't touch that.
The deceased husband's pension is to take care of her in his absense. If she remarries, she's no longer dependent on the deceased husband but the new husband. If this new guy can't take care of her, he shouldn't marry her. New guy needs to move along and leave her be.
They should be bedtime friends. They both have a foot in the grave and another on a banana peel. Let them live while they still can. God will forgive their horrible transgression of playing the in out in out game without registering with the federal reserve freemason society of jesus revenue service
I agree, if the challenge is she will be financially poorer if they marry, then the right thing to do is for him to increase his income until it at least equals her current financial situation instead of whining because her late husband in death is doing a better job of providing for her then you are. 😎
That is the logic of the pension.
But “love” 😂
Yep 😅
Glossed right over the fact that this lady has lost her husband, her mother and apparently, had several other things happen within the past three years and along comes sixty-nine year old broke bozo from high school with a net worth of $20k talking about getting married. Run lady run! Run like Forrest Gump!
If you "knew" someone in high school and here you are fifty years later, you don't "know all about her". That's a lot of living in those fifty years and people do change. Also, to compound things, they live in different states and to get married means that someone, most likely the lady, is going to have to move. Move away from her friends and family and a life she knows to be with some broke guy who is now going to make her broke.
And if this guy got a divorce a few years ago, you don't "lose everything". Sounds like he didn't have much to start with.
There are too many red flags in this relationship to think it is going to end well.
He only cares about getting some of that money. He makes 90k a year and has essentially no net worth at retirement. Scam artist
@@kylerowland1227yeah, the whole comment about knowing all about her, reminds me of a woman that my dad married. After he divorced my mom, she helped break up their marriage. He did his own share of that too, no doubt. But she would come to family events, even went so far as to knock on their RV door at some horse event at whatever hour of night! My dad passed in 2012 and now she has no money, living in a trailer somewhere. I guess karma. She even refuse to fulfill his will, not a big deal. Just a piece of furniture she refused to give to me or my sister, LOL. What a joke.
@@kylerowland1227most chiropractors are.
@@kbanghartLol damn…
Oh c'mon, he just wants to do the right thing! 😂🤡
If you’re a person of tradition and faith, you follow those rules. If you are a law-abiding citizen in your country, you follow those rules. If you are both, you’ll have to follow both sets of rules. You want to be a righteous man? Don’t take someone’s widowed wife AND beneficiary pension.
The government is not righteous. He doesn't need to make a deal with the Devil by bringing the state into this.
@@RusskiCommieBot A deal with the devil? The government is giving a beneficiary pension to her and he's looking into benefitting from that for himself. You can't just take money from the government and say it's fair because you don't like it. They've already made a deal, and right now she's getting money out of it.
Divorced, broke, and a hypocrite. Add on to that fraud. What a catch!
And don’t forget, a chiropractor to boot 😂😂😂
He's going to do it anyway. He was looking for someone of prominence to justify it for him.
My advice is for her is not only dont marry this guy but dump this guy and move on.
This
Run away fast...
I know a gal that is in the same boat. She is a widow. If she remarries she loses all her widow benefits.
Don't file for a state pension because the Government is not GOD.
I also think the state of New Jersey is not wanting to support a widow if she gets married and has a spouse that will care for her. They would lose money that way
Claims to be righteous and biblical yet wants to lie. That by definition is not being righteous or biblical.
No reason to overcomplicate this. They've got two choices because he is not going to get that pension changed no matter how much he yells at them. Either they get married & give up the pension or they don't & she keeps the pension.
Just don't get married in the eyes of the state. In Islam there's religious marriage and state marriage.
Option 3: they just live together. He wants to game the system but he doesn’t want to do the one thing that will actually game the system.
@@rrrealitycheckActually agree….living together and not being married means just that. While getting married and not involving the state actually requires a level of deception.
He thinks it's holy to be married and then lie about it?
This man sounds extremely immature.
Bruh, wanting to get remarried after a few months? Don't do it man
His girlfriend is the one who needs convincing not to marry this guy.
@@demo2382 She's probably already convinced since she doesn't want to lose the pension. He's the one trying to rush into it. Only fools rush in.
Well, he did know her from high school.
yup - this widow will lose her pension to marry a 70 year old man with a 20 k net worth.
I question if he’d be interested in her if she didn’t have that fat pension, as the guy has no money at 69 and is still working. He supposedly lost his money in a divorce but usually it’s 50/50 so he has spent all his money his entire life, probably lived high on the hog and now is desperate. Lady, don’t marry him, enjoy your golden years.
Right. This guy just sounds kind of "iffy" all the way around. And really, it seems like she barely knows him. A lot of these later in life marriages fail. I hope she stays single & keeps her pension.
BINGO🎯🎯🎯
He has no savings and almost no net worth and wants to get married after a few months. She has a nice pension. Signs and flags are a flyin'.
He wants to get laid but he's religious so he wants to get married. So he's doing mental gymnastics and considering pressuring her to lose her support structure. Hopefully the widow is smart.
Both he and her are approaching their twilight years alone and dated years ago, so that addresses the only a few months part. Understandable from that point; while possible he is using marriage as a legit looking tool to get to her pension it is not necessarily a red flag. Heard of that arrangement before - like a back up plan or 'the one who got away' for seniors.
A lot of pensions have this stipulation...I told my husband not to remarry and I will not remarry for this reason.
Ma'am! If you are reading this, do not marry this man. It is common knowledge in the government pension world that as soon as a spouse marries they will lose their deceased spouse pension. You are putting your future in jeopardy. There are too many variables, such as divorce or he could even drop dead of a heart attack next year and you will be left with nothing. Protect yourself!
At 69 with a net worth of $20k he doesn't even have enough to take care of himself.... This is at 69 with a $90k salary + $20k net worth.
She needs to run
Isn't it more respectful TO HER to let her keep her widow pension? This caller said he lost everything in a divorce. He's been talking to this lady for months (not even yet a year). You're risking her livelihood. It's 2024, there is nothing wrong with living with someone when you aren't married. Otherwise she gets remarried and loses everything.
Agree. They are in their 60s. Can't they be a couple without getting married?
@@elizabethallen4353 They're clearly a long-distance relationship. If they were living in the same town, maybe it would make sense. Right now, they're pen pals.
Ultimately, he wants to have an intimate relationship with her. As a matter of his personal code of ethics, he can't do that unless he marries her. If he legally marries her, she loses her pension, leaving them with not much in the way of ability to support themselves.
Old people grew up in a different world then ours and are set in their ways. He thinks getting married "is the right thing" but, the fact of the matter is the best thing for both of them is to just live together without being legally married. I mean they're almost 70 lol... they will be fine without a ceremony
If they were worldly they would shack up.
@@The92WafflesHonestly for this situation it makes way more financial sense, she should not risk her widow’s pension that her previous husband served his time for and if they separate that will be in shambles. On the other hand the guy definitely can’t afford another divorce in any manner, the state will beat people over the head with taxes, inflation, etc. and not give a damn about their “sacrifices.”
Yes that’s why we’re not remarrying. My husband worked hard for all that pension and Social Security. I got and at 70 I’m staying right here and collected until I’m gone. I’m not gonna live with somebody and I’m not gonna lie to the government.❤
I have no issue with that BUT don't claim to be Christian because you know that violates the good book.
But no worries, MOST Christians are phony so if you are Christian and intentionally violate the good book, you are not alone!
This is horrible this dude said he’s trying to be righteous but wants to play the system to collect a dead man’s pension
Exactly.
My mother in-law has lived with and part time with boyfriends because she didn’t want to lose the pension. It’s very common. It’s usually the woman who isn’t willing to remarry and lose that income. If they don’t marry they have 2 incomes and a lot of fun.
He doesn't want to deprive her of the pension. Big difference
@@janelleg597 He doesn't want to deprive himself of her pension.
"I'm not trying to game the system..." Mmmmm, I really don't agree with you there. This sounds like the definition of gaming the system.
Yep.
Who cares the wealthy/ corporations get away with gaming the system all the time!!!
Are you aware this beloved system uses that money to commit genocide abroad?
Yeah, deception is a slippery slope. I’d say don’t do it. If the pension is needed, don’t get married in any way, spiritual or legal.
They didn't even answer the question in this one, they just went "faith good and government bad!" and talked in circles lol.
If he wanted to go down the route of continuing the relationship, what's wrong with him living with her and not being married? If she marries him but he passes early, she's screwed and loses everything. All of the risk is on her.
Dont. get married.
Saw her last year and wants to marry? What's going on??? Dave repeating, "I'm not saying you're a bad guy," says that Dave really believes that this guy is a piece of work. 😂😂😂
What is this talking nonense? One person thinks you're talking and the other thinks you're TAAAAAAAAAAAALKING
This lady should flat outright refuse to marry anyone and keep the pension. She can still live whatever life style she wants to. At her age how important is marriage anyway.
Correct. Marriage may not even be on the table for her. I wish we could hear from her so bad haha
Amen
100% all day! Get rings for each other and live your life as if you are married. Single on paper
If you are a Christian it is VERY important
@@stevekaphingst4327 That's called lying. That's like, "Run your business and make your profit under the table. Unemployed on paper."
The caller needs to learn to be silent.
Im sure this isnt the only time that he has talked over someone. Buddy if you see this comment you need to learn to let others speak.
Maybe that’s why he’s divorced
"Give to Caesar what is Caesars, give to God what is God's." Sums this call up tbh
You already know what Dave will say
Don't bother legally getting married.
"I'm not trying to game the system." Yes you are! You know what the rules are, but you don't want to live by them. Also, are you going to file joint taxes? What's gonna happen if they find out you're actually married? I'm sure it's not good.
if they don't legally marry, just marry within their church they file taxes separate. The legal paperwork and the religious ceremony are two entirely different things. You can walk down to the court house, pay $50, file the form and you're married. You don't have to have a religious ceremony. Then you pay taxes together though. He is asking if they should file a legal contract to make their faith known to the government. Marriage existed long before uncle sam decided he wanted in on it.
Why are you defending our corrupt government? If the government needs the money they will just print it out of thin air like they always do.
I know someone who lost her husband in an electrocution accident (he was a line technician) and she’s been with a guy now for 30+ years, but they aren’t married because if they did, she would lose the death benefit from her husband.
If I were this woman there is NO WAY I'd lose my pension and security for someone I've know for a short period of time -- less than 5 years.
Deceiving the state? Why does the state need to know their relationship status that is not a legal marriage?
If he is trying to be a righteous man how is lying about a marriage even a possibility.
When I was 63, I remarried and lost my ex-husband's lucrative SS payments. After my second husband passed away, I regained the Soc. Sec. of my first husband. I am finally financially secure now, and can't imagine ever getting remarried.
Just the sort of hypocrisy I would expect from someone who feels the need to keep preaching to everyone else how righteous they are.
Please leave this lady alone and find someone else to marry. Don’t ruin her life financially.
She has to be smart enough to not marry him. It’s a two way street.
No way I would marry him. What is she getting out of it? Losing 4 thousand a month. Crazy. Move on.
@@tonytoni1150 true but some people are not strong enough to fight for themselves. She might be vulnerable.
He's not bright. He can have a church wedding or a treehouse wedding and proclaim to be married. He's not. The government gets to decide if you're married because marriage is a contract interpreted by the state. They don't care if you had a backyard ceremony like seven-year-olds getting married in some kid game.
since he said he is a christian and lying is also sinful according to the Bible than no matter what deceiving or lying to anyone for any reason is sinful. period
I dunno.... the purpose of these benefits are for the well being of a widow. Imagine if she managed to get married to 2 police officers who died and she gets the pension of both of them. The death of someone is not supposed to be for economic benefit.
It's not the government's money that you are taking. They don't have any. You are taking the money of the citizens.
I funded my pension and the City has no Tax
I mean, it is technically the goverments money they raise through taxes.
@@krishkrish8213 lol governments money who owes more than they can even tax. its citizens money
@silentnot4812 @mannyjeanpierre4062 No, when taxpayers pay their tax, the ownership of the money is transfered from the taxpayer to the government, meaning that the taxpayers no longer have any ownership of the portion to which they pay their taxes to the goverment. The idea of the taxpayers' money comes from just properganda, citizens have no legal right over the money that they give to the government, its by in all rights theirs to do with as said institution pleases.
@mannyjeanpierre4062 Once citizens pay their taxes to the government, there is a legal transfer of ownership from the taxpayer to the government. This means the taxpayer loses all rights to the money, which then becomes government property. The concept of "taxpayer money" is often used in political terms, but in legal and practical terms, it is a myth. Once taxes are paid, the money is owned by the government and managed according to the laws and policies of the government.
I just don’t understand how he thinks he isn’t gaming the system. The system has rules. His options are 1.) get married but widow loses the pension 2.) don’t get married widow keeps the pension.
I am totally at a loss for why those rules wouldn’t apply to him.
It sounds like he is trying to use her for the pension.
"I'm not trying to game the system"...yes dude you are.
I would treat this the same as if he was in his 20s. You have no business marrying a widow and taking away her financial security unless you are able to also provide her financial security in return. So stop dating her, work on building your own net worth, and if you’re still in love in 5-10 years and you’re now able to provide for her, then go ahead and marry her then. But you’re not ready now.
The government lies to us every day. 🤷♂️ play the game towards your advantage. Stop being such an angel, smh.
100%
I’m a Christian so this advice may go in one ear and out the other, but I listen to Jesus’ words when he says give Caesar what Caesar is due. He will make sure your blessings are full if you are honest on your taxes, along with giving your tithes. My taxes have increased every year since I’ve practiced that, but so have my blessings.
@@puppy14the United States Government is not Caesar.
@@dumdumdugan1940 Well, duh, way to take the advice literally. The Roman government doesn’t exist anymore lol, so should Jesus’ advice just go away like the wind? No, he made it clear, pay Caesar what Caesar is owed, so pay your government what the government is owed, even if you don’t like what they spend it on. The government rests on God’s shoulders, so He will deal with them accordingly. We are told to be obedient.
@@dumdumdugan1940 How so? In the literal sense, yes, that's correct. In an analogy using Jesus's teachings to today, it certainly is. Caesar in that instance was representative of the government.
This ladies between a rock and a hard place. This is why it’s important for women to build up their own careers early in life and maintain them. That way they’re not stuck between who they’re dependent on, some individual man or the state (the collective men of society)
Lol 😂😂 she set for life with a pension and you think she should have worked a job instead of raising a family
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no, he's 69? I think he said and lost a lot in his divorce. If he wants to remarry so as not to fornicate then that's the right thing to do. how's a 69 year old going to 'get his money up'
He lost it all to a divorce and wants ro marry again
@@jcherestal literally. the comment was a bit silly tbh
1. Which pastor is going to do this?
2. Half righteous then?
3. He's rebound guy
4 dave is right, they should get that rule changed. It's not nice
1. Ill do it for a small fee. Im a pastafarian minister of defence and an aspiring pope
especially #1
I had a civil ceremony then months later a religious wedding.
The Pastor doesn’t sign the license
@@aolvaar8792my pastor signed mine.
3:14 He said Doodoo. And this whole situation is Doodoo.
I thought most pensions that have survivor benefits work this way-if you remarry, you lose it.
Maybe I am the exception but if my husband passes before me, I have absolutely no desire to date let alone remarry…
This guy said “I’m not trying to game the system’”. He absolutely is. Just own it.
He needs to just date her, and not move in. If he dies before her, she’s screwed.
It sounds like a long-distance relationship, so he might not be able to date her.
Being the pension rules as they are, why is she even dating anybody at her age when that pension is ALL she has? It’s not as if she’s going to find a young stud who you know… She has much, much more to lose than he does. As the Rolling Stones once sang, “you can’t always get what you want,” meaning they may want to get married, but they can’t; case closed, time to move on.
A chiropractor considering misleading and being dishonest. Lol, perfectly consistent with his career field.
Does she know she's getting married yet? 😅
Assuming everyone in a certain group is less than you sounds an awful lot like a certain low IQ behavior...
Government is far more dishonest. A good chiropractor helps people to good health. Government just screws the people every chance they get. There is no comparison.
He just wants someone to say it's ok before he goes and does it. And what about her? Maybe she doesn't even want to marry him. It sounds like they reconnected on FB and after all these years want to try again but doesn't mean it will work.
This is not it. He is not the one for her.
I disagree Dave. It is not my job as a citizen to interpret the spirit of the law. If the letter of the law does not spell out what I should do, I will do what is advantageous to myself within the letter of the law. That is not deceitful because that’s the system. The government would use the letter of the law to screw me over as much as they can get away with, so I’ll go by the letter of the law to my advantage as well.
Do so just do NOT claim to be a Christian! Look I won't criticize you for your take if you do NOT claim to be Christian and believe in the Bible. But Dave is right as it relates to the good book. In my opinion, MOST Christians are phony anyway, so if you are Christian and you still have that take, you are not alone!
“Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow -Romans 13:1-2”
SHOUT it from the mountain top BigRed2.
I am NOT Christian, but the passage you copy and pasted from the Christian good book says exactly what the guy should do!! And to do otherwise is to knowingly and with intent violate that good book!
You are so full of crap.
Why should NJ make an exception for her??
Pointless discussion. Pastors are required to make sure all paperwork is filed. So he's not going to get a church wedding.
oh bless your heart... there are plenty of pastors that will do this that are not fans of the govt.
I love him for that every hard working person hates the IRS with Passion 😂😂😂😂
A Christian trying to cherry pick his faith because it's inconvinient..... shocker.
It's because money is real. And the other stuff is in his head.
“Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow. Romans 13:1-2” …
@@BigRed2bad theology. Obey the government in so far as THEY are obedient to God. We have a WICKED government that uses our money to pay to kill unborn babies. DON'T obey the government.
That lady would be crazy to marry that guy!
I'll bet the farm that this lady spends the money better than the state of New Jersey would.
If it's me, don't live together. Date, have a wonderful relationship. Do what you need to do so you can sleep at night.
What happen if they divorce later???? She would be in deep shit. You can't marry her
I want to get married to a girl who I don’t even see. I saw her one time last year ago. Yup about to get married.
Righteous person. Yep, totally honest and respectable to focus on lying to the state. A total stand-up guy. What I am very surprised about is Dave didn’t ask him how he has a zero net worth, despite the divorce, in his late 60’s. It’s hard to believe that this guy has been a listener to DR for very long to have nothing at that age. You have to basically not follow any of the Ramsey tenets to be that poor at that age
I think its fine having a symbolic marriage that is not state sanctioned. Its not like they are claiming marriagr benefits from the state. Do what you need to do to keep your eligibility for the pension
Sure, you can have "symbolic marriages" until the cows come home...just understand that they have no legal standing. And they're not going to cut it with SS.
Single men get screwed the most in our current system, they're paying higher health care premiums to offset women's costs for female reproductive health. If you're a married guy you break even.
@@penelope5500and the call wasn't at all about claiming marital benefits with the state while not married
Dave might have a completely different perspective if he were trying to live on $3,000 a month. AND, all the sanctimoneous "bible thumpers" in earlier posts
This is actually a tough predicament. Great question
He is proposing an illegal marriage, wants to live off of a widow’s dead husband’s pension, has no money to live off with this woman he likes, and is claiming to be a righteous man. Tough predicament? The solution is easy. He has no place doing anything he’s discussing.
This is where his religious doctrine prevents him from even experiencing life with this person. Bummer
Subjects have an obligation not to lie to the government citizens do not.
F the Government. They are sending all our money to the Ukraine. The Polyticks in Washington are not worthy of it.
As a Christian (and in general), if you're not married legally you're not married. A church wedding/blessing etc., is not a replacement for the legality of marriage. That's like saying stealing isn't unlawful if I don't get caught. They could choose to be in a long-term abstinent relationship if they wanted, they could even move to the same area and choose to be abstinent/not marry. The choice is to marry or not marry, it's pretty simple.
Keep the government out of your business ✅
100%
Yet we should let the Church in?
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“I’m not trying to game the system.”
That is literally what he is trying to do 😂
Sounds like SSDI survivors benefits.
You're trying to do the right thing yet divorced and marrying someone else.
Exactly, a righteous man wants to live in adultery....insanity
Deceiving the coalition of politicians is the morally righteous thing to do
Slaves had to ask permission from their masters to get married. Let that sink in.
"I met her once last year" is not a basis to get married. HTH did they let that slide?
I want to be a righteous man but I don't believe god will give me the opportunities to provide while doing the right thing. Doing the next right thing isn't always easy, never has been.
Yes, this makes sense. A woman I work with is a widow and lives with someone because she would lose her husband's social and/or pension if she marries her boyfriend. So it's best to either just live together or move on.
Why is it lying? They wouldn't be legally married according to the legal definition. They would be spiritually married and why does it matter to God what form they file with Ceasar?
Do you lie on your 1040?
Ps I hate federal tax too
He's not lying.
As a Christian, it's being deceptive. They are holding themselves out to the church, community, and others that they are married when in fact they are not. They are also doing so to essentially commit fraud which is how I (and apparently Dave) view it.
Nonsense. You can have all the "commitment ceremonies", & parties you want but if you're not legally married then you're not married. Don't get me wrong...I would just live w/ this guy if that's what I wanted to do but don't kid yourself that you are married unless you are legally married by the State. See how far that "spiritually" married nonsense will get you w/ SS.
“I’m not trying to game the system.” That is exactly what you are trying to do. If you won’t live together, leave her alone or be content just dating.
Why should he get an exception when everybody else has to do it? Ain't gonna happen.
+you’ve got the right to remain silent
It's no different than using tax loopholes.
YUP
This guy wants to tax grannies loopholes
He wants to tax the widow's loopholes
Yeah, it really isn't any of the government's business to be in their intimate relationship. There will be no children involved. As long as the religious aspects are followed, I would be fine with not telling them. Several months of dating is nowhere near long enough for marriage though.
Oh hell no. Do not marry him
Religion is crazy. If you guys want to be together then be together. And for crying out loud don’t give up that pension, you can’t afford to, you’re broke. I don’t have anything against religion per se, but when it motivates people to do something stupid, that’s where I have a problem. If there is a God surely he would want us to have some common sense.
No He wants us to follow His instructions. They are clear and He knows best
YEP
People do the dumbest shit all in the name of religion. Biggest snake-oil scam in human history.
"This illegal act feels like the right thing to me in this moment" is the exact reason religion exists.
Sometimes the hard, high road is the right one. The path of least resistance leads straight down to misery and death.
As Jade would say, "Girlfriend, if you can hear me, you need to run. Don't marry this guy." (Or something like that in Jade's voice😊)
Marriage is government laws not religion
Exactly! I learned that when I filled for divorce!