Thank you for checking the video out, I hope you find it helpful and if you're still confused about anything you can comment here or reach me on twitter! All the links and deck lists mentioned are in the description. www.patreon.com/LemorasCards And if you could, support me on Patreon so I can make better videos for your enjoyment, and you can get some neat perks along the way.
Thanks! Definitely agree, there are a lot of misconceptions about the format out there and hopefully I'm able to help at least a few people see what it really has to offer.
Cedh reminds me of old school meta yugioh where decks are so full of reactive and interactive effects and depend on limiting your opponents and combo wins
cEDH beginner guide: proxy, never don't proxy. The hundreds of dollars you will spend in the after market buying singles will only ever trickle back to WoTC. Play sealed, buy proxies.
This has actually been a super rad channel really digging your delivery and subject space hope you make it far friend wanna see more content like the last batch of videos!
Thank you so much! I have some cEDH deck guides going over specific decks with guests who specialize in them coming once a week at least for the next month starting this Saturday, so plenty more good stuff on the way.
Not really sure why I watched this, as I actually keep up with cedh content regularly, but just dropped by to say this is a wonderful video! I haven't delved directly into cedh yet myself, but I take a similar approach to the format when building my decks. My closest being a wheel and deal-lite take on Blue Farm. Midrange is by far my favorite archetype, though Winota Stax sounds up my alley too.
Thank you a ton! Take a leap into it and get some games in. I've started playing Midrange decks like Dawnwaker Thrasios recently and I love it. cEDH really let's you go all in on the interactive Midrange plan in a way I think is so uniquely fun.
Just a note to players, decks don't have to fully fall into only one the catagories of turbo, midrange and staxx. As said in the video about dockside extortionist being ran in all the architypes, the same can apply for many cards as long as they inherrently are able to work well with your deck, even turbo decks may run staxx cards as a way to put opppnents in an awkward position so the turbo deck user may wait for the other players to be unable to properly respond to their combo. The inverse also applies as staxx decks may run faster threats to punish players who start spending too much resources trying to prepare for a longer game by building their board to become more resiliant. Even midrange may not actually do much from a board perspective but instead rely on playing cards that are not worth it for opponents to stop from being played, this is also a fundamental trait many decks like as by playing a bunch of cards that further your game plan but are not actually worth your opponents time and resources to remove that means they will have more removal for eachother and you will get to save your counterspells because you will not often need to use them trying to defend your own stuff. A very inportant tip for new players that applies to all architypes that I see many people fall victum to no knowing is that your deck needs to both be helped by your commander but not rely upon your commander because if your deck cannot function without your commander then someone will simply just stop you from casting them and cause you to flounder, don't let that happen and always try to make sure cards have impact in as many situations as possible. Another set of tips for politics in the format: never help another player when collaborating, instead simply offer to tear down another player as "help" and never do so to a point that the player you are helping can use it to win, keep in mind players can also lie. And a tip for those willing to play very cruel: do not hesitate to threaten to cause someone else to win or lose if someone would do something that causes you to lose ,since the goal in cedh is to win and you are going to lose because somebody is going to do something that will cause you to lose then there is no reason to not threaten to cause them to also lose as a form of defense because this means that it becomes not worth ot for other players to do something if you will legitmately insure they lose, this works even if your winning as suddenly despite all other players wanting to prevent you from winning, none of them will want to do it themselves because they fear you taking them out with you, this causes very awkward hesitation from the other three players as they pass priority around knowing somebody has got to give but not wanting to be the one who does in a sort game of chicken.
This is a really detailed and thorough guide! I started testing my deck (Kinnan) out on Cockatrice, and this video was what got me inspired to play cEDH! Thank you so much for all of the work put into this and other videos of yours, you're truly epic.
@@LemorasCards No problem! My friend has been trying to get into cEDH and he mainly plays Thrasios//Tymna. Can you make a beginner's guide for that deck? Would be very appreciated! 😄
Never played EDH much at a before I started CEDH about two months ago, and going to every tournament I can make. So I had to learn what meta was. Went to a charity tournament this past weekend made top 16 by sheer luck and actually got in the top 4 game and placed 2nd. Went for the win too fast, which I blame my lack of experience. My commander was Yarok. I was pretty much ignored bc of my experience (players knew i was new to the scene) and commander. I eventually got too much of an advantage and got some lucky starting hands. Im just proud of myself b/c I can feel myself improving in competitive magic. I never thought I would play more than limited formats.
Thanks buddy, this was a great video and just subbed. For someone like me who's looking to getting into CEDH. Other than using a proxy is there any budget options for all the mox's in decks while still keeping the deck competitive? Or any other lists without them?
Glad you found it helpful! Beyond using proxies which is always my biggest advice, decks that use very little fast mana rocks like green Collector Ouphe decks or Winota are probably your best bet. Winota specifically is so powerful its hard to go wrong with, and cutting Mox Diamond or Chrome Mox isn't going to severely weaken the list.
Great video can we get videos on how to make a unique decks what do we need as a base for a deck any help or ideas would help tons getting crushed at my lgs they are all quite good lol
Possibly! Brewing for cEDH isn't really my focus and I usually recommend sticking with more established decks when getting into the format, but it may be something I cover at some point as it is a step most players will make at some point. Eisenherz has a series on brewing cEDH that I'd point you towards for the time being as a good place to start.
There are many creature focused wincons, the low color green decks like Selvala utilize things like Ashaya for infinite mana to win, decks mentioned here like Winota and Blood Pod are very creature focused as well. For tribal your best bet is definitely Yuriko, she's easily one of the best decks in the format. Azami Wizards is a more niche but really unique take on tribal as well!
Ilove this video thank you, but the brech / lion s eye / brain freeze combo, i dont get it, do someone mind explaining me step by step please ? sorry for my slowass brain
Thank you! And not a problem. If you have Underworld Breach in play, it lets you cast spells from your graveyard at the cost of exiling 3 cards from it on top of paying the cost. What this lets you do is use Lions Eye Diamond to gain mana to continually cast Brain Freeze targeting yourself, which will mill you more and more each time to have cards to exile for Breach until you're able to do this enough times to get the storm count high enough to mill your opponents, making them lose when you pass the turn, or cast your Thassas Oracle and win because your library is empty.
Can't mention them all! Those were two that I did specifically consider talking about though. They'll likely get their own videos in my beginner guide series in the next few months.
Yes! I typically use untap.in as you can use it in browser. There's also Cockatrice and tabletop simulator as other unofficial options, and Magic Online and Magic Arena as the official ways to do so.
Cedh its a concept, many people think cedh is oracle + consult combo, while in reality there are many type of cedh. The fact that traditional cedh deck didnt win the 1st place in last 3-4 cedh tournaments says it all. Also how dare you didnt mention Tymna and Thrasios 😂😂😂😂 While TnT lost its popularity against TnK, its still one of the best traditional cedh deck....
Both sad and happy to see Kodashima (Kodama of the East Tree & Sakashima) go unmentioned here. Very capable of going turbo while completely avoiding STAX effects, running over midrange decks in the process. Sad it isn’t more well-respected, happy it’s still a sleeper hitter.
I think anyone who can manage to play a game as complex as Magic will be able to keep up with cEDH as long as they're willing to learn as they go. If its not to your liking that's one thing, but I genuinely believe anyone has the potential to be the best player out there if they wanna be.
@@LemorasCards the problem is that I like to play to flavor or play with gimmicks. My favorite deck is a Trostani, selesnyas voice that populates actual cards with seance. My best is a all permanents deck with estrid that wins off of primal surge.
@@goodintentions8106 I'll admit there aren't really decks that will be taking flavor into consideration, but depending on your definition of gimmick there could be things up your alley. Things like Anje Madness play as many madness spells as possible to draw through the whole deck and perform an infinite with Worldgorger Dragon. There are decks that run only one creature so they can use polymorph to get it into play guaranteed to go for different lines, things of that nature aren't terribly uncommon.
Dear cedh, thank you so much for taking all of the fun out of my favorite fomat. I used to think that Commander was a casual format where everyone could have fun. Not anymore. Go take your competitive attitudes to Modern her Legacy and leave my favorite format alone.
cEDH doesn't change how any other players choose to play Commander, its just a different power level of the same format. And the name "competitive" edh is often not really a great description of the format, most people play cEDH while just hanging out with friends and being as casual about at it as any group of commander players. Being upset at cEDH for ruining commander is like being upset at pro baseball players because they always follow the rules and try to win. It's just playing the game as the rules would have you, and it can be a lot of fun to get to play with the most powerful cards and be interacting with your friends on turn 1.
There's a reason why they gave it a new name and made it a separate format...if someone trys to play a cEDH deck at your EDH table, then just tell that person to leave
@@nebula8851 I actually sold most of mine as well, fortunately the majority of the community is 100% proxy friendly. If you ever decide to come back, we'd love to have you.
Thank you for checking the video out, I hope you find it helpful and if you're still confused about anything you can comment here or reach me on twitter! All the links and deck lists mentioned are in the description.
www.patreon.com/LemorasCards
And if you could, support me on Patreon so I can make better videos for your enjoyment, and you can get some neat perks along the way.
Well said! More people should understand cEDH beyond the preconceptions many people have.
Thanks! Definitely agree, there are a lot of misconceptions about the format out there and hopefully I'm able to help at least a few people see what it really has to offer.
Cedh reminds me of old school meta yugioh where decks are so full of reactive and interactive effects and depend on limiting your opponents and combo wins
TBH that doesn't sound fun to me at all. And that's why I just listen to videos about Cedh instead of actually playing it.
cEDH beginner guide: proxy, never don't proxy. The hundreds of dollars you will spend in the after market buying singles will only ever trickle back to WoTC. Play sealed, buy proxies.
Oops, I wish I would have known
What's wrong with the money going back to WoTC?
@@Voip3D They're a corrupt company that only wants money
They'll let you play?
@@macmccloud8171 tbf, I play with friends not pricks.
This has actually been a super rad channel really digging your delivery and subject space hope you make it far friend wanna see more content like the last batch of videos!
Thank you so much! I have some cEDH deck guides going over specific decks with guests who specialize in them coming once a week at least for the next month starting this Saturday, so plenty more good stuff on the way.
@@LemorasCards I dig it looking forward to whatever you got
Not really sure why I watched this, as I actually keep up with cedh content regularly, but just dropped by to say this is a wonderful video!
I haven't delved directly into cedh yet myself, but I take a similar approach to the format when building my decks. My closest being a wheel and deal-lite take on Blue Farm. Midrange is by far my favorite archetype, though Winota Stax sounds up my alley too.
Thank you a ton! Take a leap into it and get some games in. I've started playing Midrange decks like Dawnwaker Thrasios recently and I love it. cEDH really let's you go all in on the interactive Midrange plan in a way I think is so uniquely fun.
Just a note to players, decks don't have to fully fall into only one the catagories of turbo, midrange and staxx.
As said in the video about dockside extortionist being ran in all the architypes, the same can apply for many cards as long as they inherrently are able to work well with your deck, even turbo decks may run staxx cards as a way to put opppnents in an awkward position so the turbo deck user may wait for the other players to be unable to properly respond to their combo.
The inverse also applies as staxx decks may run faster threats to punish players who start spending too much resources trying to prepare for a longer game by building their board to become more resiliant.
Even midrange may not actually do much from a board perspective but instead rely on playing cards that are not worth it for opponents to stop from being played, this is also a fundamental trait many decks like as by playing a bunch of cards that further your game plan but are not actually worth your opponents time and resources to remove that means they will have more removal for eachother and you will get to save your counterspells because you will not often need to use them trying to defend your own stuff.
A very inportant tip for new players that applies to all architypes that I see many people fall victum to no knowing is that your deck needs to both be helped by your commander but not rely upon your commander because if your deck cannot function without your commander then someone will simply just stop you from casting them and cause you to flounder, don't let that happen and always try to make sure cards have impact in as many situations as possible.
Another set of tips for politics in the format:
never help another player when collaborating, instead simply offer to tear down another player as "help" and never do so to a point that the player you are helping can use it to win, keep in mind players can also lie.
And a tip for those willing to play very cruel:
do not hesitate to threaten to cause someone else to win or lose if someone would do something that causes you to lose ,since the goal in cedh is to win and you are going to lose because somebody is going to do something that will cause you to lose then there is no reason to not threaten to cause them to also lose as a form of defense because this means that it becomes not worth ot for other players to do something if you will legitmately insure they lose, this works even if your winning as suddenly despite all other players wanting to prevent you from winning, none of them will want to do it themselves because they fear you taking them out with you, this causes very awkward hesitation from the other three players as they pass priority around knowing somebody has got to give but not wanting to be the one who does in a sort game of chicken.
An excellent introductory resource. Love this!
This is a really detailed and thorough guide! I started testing my deck (Kinnan) out on Cockatrice, and this video was what got me inspired to play cEDH! Thank you so much for all of the work put into this and other videos of yours, you're truly epic.
Wow, that's amazing! I'm so glad it's been helpful. Thank you so much!
@@LemorasCards No problem! My friend has been trying to get into cEDH and he mainly plays Thrasios//Tymna. Can you make a beginner's guide for that deck? Would be very appreciated! 😄
This is a very good and clear explanation of cedh for beginners. Thank you very much :)
Thank you! Glad to hear it.
Good content for beginners & even refreshing for seasonal cEDH veterans
That was the goal, so that's great to hear.
Never played EDH much at a before I started CEDH about two months ago, and going to every tournament I can make. So I had to learn what meta was. Went to a charity tournament this past weekend made top 16 by sheer luck and actually got in the top 4 game and placed 2nd. Went for the win too fast, which I blame my lack of experience. My commander was Yarok. I was pretty much ignored bc of my experience (players knew i was new to the scene) and commander. I eventually got too much of an advantage and got some lucky starting hands. Im just proud of myself b/c I can feel myself improving in competitive magic. I never thought I would play more than limited formats.
That's awesome! Hope you have fun and win the next one!
@@LemorasCards for sure thank you for the video. I will be watching more as I want to play c as much as limited has dominated my mtg experience
Great video, I'll send it around.
Thank you!
This is a BALLER video. Thanks for the work :)
Thank you!
I always begin explaining cedh as edh with a different mindset.
Thanks buddy, this was a great video and just subbed. For someone like me who's looking to getting into CEDH. Other than using a proxy is there any budget options for all the mox's in decks while still keeping the deck competitive? Or any other lists without them?
Glad you found it helpful! Beyond using proxies which is always my biggest advice, decks that use very little fast mana rocks like green Collector Ouphe decks or Winota are probably your best bet. Winota specifically is so powerful its hard to go wrong with, and cutting Mox Diamond or Chrome Mox isn't going to severely weaken the list.
@@LemorasCards ah brilliant thanks I’ll go through your Winona list and start building from that 🙂
Great video can we get videos on how to make a unique decks what do we need as a base for a deck any help or ideas would help tons getting crushed at my lgs they are all quite good lol
Possibly! Brewing for cEDH isn't really my focus and I usually recommend sticking with more established decks when getting into the format, but it may be something I cover at some point as it is a step most players will make at some point. Eisenherz has a series on brewing cEDH that I'd point you towards for the time being as a good place to start.
are there no creature win cons. im a huge tribal player with some strong color cards.
I might stick with regular commander
There are many creature focused wincons, the low color green decks like Selvala utilize things like Ashaya for infinite mana to win, decks mentioned here like Winota and Blood Pod are very creature focused as well. For tribal your best bet is definitely Yuriko, she's easily one of the best decks in the format. Azami Wizards is a more niche but really unique take on tribal as well!
Ilove this video thank you, but the brech / lion s eye / brain freeze combo, i dont get it, do someone mind explaining me step by step please ? sorry for my slowass brain
Thank you! And not a problem. If you have Underworld Breach in play, it lets you cast spells from your graveyard at the cost of exiling 3 cards from it on top of paying the cost. What this lets you do is use Lions Eye Diamond to gain mana to continually cast Brain Freeze targeting yourself, which will mill you more and more each time to have cards to exile for Breach until you're able to do this enough times to get the storm count high enough to mill your opponents, making them lose when you pass the turn, or cast your Thassas Oracle and win because your library is empty.
And here's a link to Commander Spellbook that may explain it better: commanderspellbook.com/combo/4291/
I believe in Gitrog supremacy
Tysm, I'll introduce my commander group to the format
Happy to help! We could always use more players.
How do you not bring up Kenrith or Urza though!!!
Can't mention them all! Those were two that I did specifically consider talking about though. They'll likely get their own videos in my beginner guide series in the next few months.
more of a control and midrange decks kinda build those decks more often
Is there an online simulator for magic?
Yes! I typically use untap.in as you can use it in browser. There's also Cockatrice and tabletop simulator as other unofficial options, and Magic Online and Magic Arena as the official ways to do so.
@@LemorasCards thanks for the help buddy really appreciated.
Cedh its a concept, many people think cedh is oracle + consult combo, while in reality there are many type of cedh.
The fact that traditional cedh deck didnt win the 1st place in last 3-4 cedh tournaments says it all.
Also how dare you didnt mention Tymna and Thrasios 😂😂😂😂
While TnT lost its popularity against TnK, its still one of the best traditional cedh deck....
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Haha much appreciated! Thanks for watching.
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Both sad and happy to see Kodashima (Kodama of the East Tree & Sakashima) go unmentioned here. Very capable of going turbo while completely avoiding STAX effects, running over midrange decks in the process. Sad it isn’t more well-respected, happy it’s still a sleeper hitter.
It's a very strong and unique list, unfortunately this video can't go over all the cool decks in the format or it would be hours long haha.
I'm not ever gunna be good enough for cedh. It just doesn't fit my style of play
I think anyone who can manage to play a game as complex as Magic will be able to keep up with cEDH as long as they're willing to learn as they go. If its not to your liking that's one thing, but I genuinely believe anyone has the potential to be the best player out there if they wanna be.
@@LemorasCards the problem is that I like to play to flavor or play with gimmicks. My favorite deck is a Trostani, selesnyas voice that populates actual cards with seance. My best is a all permanents deck with estrid that wins off of primal surge.
@@goodintentions8106 I'll admit there aren't really decks that will be taking flavor into consideration, but depending on your definition of gimmick there could be things up your alley. Things like Anje Madness play as many madness spells as possible to draw through the whole deck and perform an infinite with Worldgorger Dragon. There are decks that run only one creature so they can use polymorph to get it into play guaranteed to go for different lines, things of that nature aren't terribly uncommon.
@@LemorasCards so thats why worldgorger has a stupid price tag
Dear cedh, thank you so much for taking all of the fun out of my favorite fomat. I used to think that Commander was a casual format where everyone could have fun. Not anymore. Go take your competitive attitudes to Modern her Legacy and leave my favorite format alone.
cEDH doesn't change how any other players choose to play Commander, its just a different power level of the same format. And the name "competitive" edh is often not really a great description of the format, most people play cEDH while just hanging out with friends and being as casual about at it as any group of commander players. Being upset at cEDH for ruining commander is like being upset at pro baseball players because they always follow the rules and try to win. It's just playing the game as the rules would have you, and it can be a lot of fun to get to play with the most powerful cards and be interacting with your friends on turn 1.
There's a reason why they gave it a new name and made it a separate format...if someone trys to play a cEDH deck at your EDH table, then just tell that person to leave
@@LemorasCards Exactly this... everyone that plays a Game ,No Matter what, and doesnt Like to win is suspect to me.
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Isn't cEDH basically "Play Thoracle Consultation or don't bother?"
Nope, that's just a common misconception. Actually, the last three big cEDH tournaments were all won by decks that didn't run that combo at all.
@@LemorasCards That's interesting, and surprising. I'd get back into cEDH, but I sold off my staples when I thought I'd never play it again ^^
@@nebula8851 I actually sold most of mine as well, fortunately the majority of the community is 100% proxy friendly. If you ever decide to come back, we'd love to have you.
Absolute great video!!! Thanks for creating something that helps broaden then perspective on cEDH as a process. Looking forward to play with you soon!