SO I have baylen built, but more midrange. I think the kiki baylen decks are actually kinda bad but its just the 1st thing people ran to test with it being in the colors.
Ouphe effects are so good in Baylen here because because Ouphe does not shut off Baylen. So your treasures are still good. There is no tension between Ouphe and Dockside here, there is actually symmetry breaking synergy.
I played against the eluge player in semi finals of that event, if it wasn't for a mis tutor off his mystical tutor he would've been off to finals and taken my spot! He was an awesome opponent and the deck is seriously sick
We play a budget version of EDH (under 100$ total) at our LGS, and the meta is getting more and more turbo and competitive week by week it basically become a baby cEDH mimic, and I find your vids really really useful to get inspiration and morph cEDH decks according to our budget. Thanks!
the Orzhov list is spicy, luv the vibes of taking tymna and tevesh and throwing them in the main deck to run Kambal as the commander, just wild dedication
On that Francisco list I would def get Borne in there and prob at least 1 talisman. I think there's a few options that could be pulled maybe one of the creature stax pieces or Cyc Rift / Muddle seem the weakest of the instants
The combo with Siona you mentioned you may be missing is with Shielded by Faith. Siona in play + attaching shielded by faith to a creature (either by casting or its trigger) causes siona to create a 1/1, trigger shielded by faith, move it to the 1/1, so on and so forth until you want to stop. Infinite 1/1's
I absolutely love Heartless Hidetsugu! He was my first edh deck when I got back into mtg in 2020. Fun to throw in Grafted exoskeleton, insult//injury and Dictate of the twin gods ( 5 mana is steep, but its great for that flash ability. or double down with lands like Witch's Clinic and Glacial Chasm. Grafted Exoskeleton+ glacial chasm or Platinum Angel will keep you safe. Or go all in as a tpk, cause you if can't win, no one can!
Zhulodock is really fun....A really good precon too, since you dont have to worry about land. Highly recommend....fun videos, very concise and no bs filler. These were all cool decks too. The enchantment storm one might be worth a try or the rabbit, valuetown.
I get curious on how that Zhulok won. If there was a video of the games played it be so sick but, I feel like people ignored it or something. I assume the table was forced to use their interaction on everyone else and eventually the Zhulok avoided interactions and scaled into mid-game to pop off. Most decks that could win turn 3-5 I feel should have beat the Zhulok consistently but, I guess I'll never know.
As someone who plays vs them regularly and played vs them in the tourney Connor was far from ignored. I got cityscape levelered turn 2 because of metalworker. They play some stax pieces and eventually generates too much value to deal with. They also have several infinites and the ability to win at instant speed. It definitely falls under the win second strategy or win because, since most decks attempt a win before him, then he wins after.
It's a really grindy meta, and the deck has now done well there back to back (more on that in the next video), so I don't expect it's getting fully ignored. It is a weird one to wrap your head around though!
So interaction you missed. Ratadrabik goes infinite with Boromir. You sac Boromir and Ratadrabik makes a nonlegendary 2/2 zombie copy of boromir, then boromir's ability resolves and when the ring tempts you make the boromir token your ring bearer making it legendary. So now when you sac the token it triggers Ratadrabik again and you loop. If you have Kambal or any of the other drain creatures out it drains the table to death
One thing I think you might have missed with Hidetsugu & Grafted Exoskeleton is that if you suicide yourself below 20 life (eg: Treasonous Ogre) while everyone else is higher, you survive the poison.
I made a Cedh Gev deck when he got spoiled, I took a different approach and im using a Snoop pile in mine. Cool list Ill have to give the other deck list a try though!
I don’t understand how disruptor flute is interaction. Wouldn’t you have to either guess what they’re going to cast before they cast it or respond to them casting it after they already paid?
@BrashM not interaction in the strictest sense, but able to be disruptive towards certain combos, make commanders cheaper, punish things like top deck tutors that have you name the card, or cast in response to something that has an activated ability to shut that down.
Looking at Gev.. I was advised against having both Twinflame + Molten by a few ppl cuz of redundancy but we are seeing it here. Is this because it has more utility than just being a combo? Copying Welder w/ haste, or Goblin Engineer w/ Haste, or copying Imperial Recruiter. I'm also not on Cursed Mirror in my turbo list. Wondering if I should bring back Twinflame. Thinking of pulling Skirk Prospector or The One Ring for it. To be fair I am on a lot more black tutors.
Random question, I am thinking of making a vehicle deck with Rebbecc, architect of ascension and Kraum, ludevic's opus. Do you think that would work well? Rebecc gives artifacts protection from everything so they cant be blocked or die from blocking. Im worried it might be too slow though
I'm confused about this Kambal List. Warren Soultrader + Gravecrawler = kill ? But its missing. And it has crossover w/ Aetherflux Bolas Top. I do like seeing the Sedgmore Chain combo for the kill w/ Kambal
I belive that zhudolok had the win thanks to the meta without sweepers. In casual where everyone has at least a vandelblast or farewell, the deck is simply too fragile
Also works with all the Nazgul and the Mono Black Gollum. I have this deck, and it's juiced up as much as it can be. Problem is at best it's still a 3 card combo. There's lots of redundancy, but I haven't had much luck with it at proper cEDH tables. Orzohv just kinda sucks.
@@skellyxj1 imo, Carmen Cruel Skymarcher is the best Orzhov can do in cEDH at the moment. Similar to Tayam or Elivere, if you don't respect it, you're just gonna get steamrolled.
Quite disappointing that you took the other two videos down instead of owning your actions. That cedhrc was directly responsible for about 15 people I know moving off cedh. But hey, just delete the evidence and hope people forget hey.
It's a thing that isn't happening with actions that were never taken other than saying we might try something. If that's enough to get people to quit, then I don't know what to tell you. I would rather forget the extreme level of harassment my friends and I received over suggesting custom rules for a card game.
@@LemorasCards my favourite thing on your channel so far over the last couple years was the fact that you owned your f-up, everyone makes mistakes but it takes some balls to say sorry and own it. By deleting the videos it's the weak way out. Shame.
@mgarratt101 it's mainly just to avoid confusion, I continually got messages from people who didn't know if the rc stuff was still happening or thought I was done with cedh forever. They'll probably go back up at some point but the confusion and such wasn't worth keeping them up right now.
Which of these decks was your favorite? Let me know down below!
For sure Baylen! Been working the deck since it came out!
that Kambal list is spicy!
the combo you missed in sythis is Siona, Captain of the Polis+ shielded by faith. makes a bunch of dudes
Eldrazi
SO I have baylen built, but more midrange. I think the kiki baylen decks are actually kinda bad but its just the 1st thing people ran to test with it being in the colors.
So stoked to see you keeping up with making cEDH content.
Got some more stuff on the way!
FYI Ouphe doesn’t shut down Dockside combos in Baylen, because Baylen can tap the treasure tokens himself for mana.
Yeah, should've clarified it can have tension with some dockside loops, but you can make enough for Baylen to make it work through your Ouphe.
Ouphe rhymes with mouth
doesnt matter now lol
Ouphe effects are so good in Baylen here because because Ouphe does not shut off Baylen. So your treasures are still good. There is no tension between Ouphe and Dockside here, there is actually symmetry breaking synergy.
I played against the eluge player in semi finals of that event, if it wasn't for a mis tutor off his mystical tutor he would've been off to finals and taken my spot! He was an awesome opponent and the deck is seriously sick
How exactly does the deck work?
We play a budget version of EDH (under 100$ total) at our LGS, and the meta is getting more and more turbo and competitive week by week it basically become a baby cEDH mimic, and I find your vids really really useful to get inspiration and morph cEDH decks according to our budget. Thanks!
@@bl4ckl8tus that's awesome to hear!
do you have some list? that meta sounds great
You can use Trade Routes the way it is described, but also to bounce you mdfcs, sanctuary, minamo, channel lands
Just built an Eluge deck. Very fun. Almost feel like I want 4 different versions of the deck...from casual to cEDH.
It's always awesome to find a commander that inspires you that much!
the Orzhov list is spicy, luv the vibes of taking tymna and tevesh and throwing them in the main deck to run Kambal as the commander, just wild dedication
Eluge: Trade Routes "combos" with Mystic Santuary and the ability to get extra turn spells back over and over.
I was going to write exactly that for @LemorasCards
Kinda liking the esper bird brothers. The muddle can be used to get thoracle or tainted pact if you have the other in hand already.
Trade routes + mystic sanctuary + extra turn = infinite turns
I was going to write exactly that for @LemorasCards
It was a boring week till today! Thanks for the vid!
In that orzhoz deck borimir + rata is an infinite combo as well
I saw that sythis storm deck a little while ago and immediately built it. havent played it yet but it looks fun as heck.
Glad to see you making another video. I love Heartless Hidetesugo I have played it some and had fun.
Sensei's top ensures the francisco/ballista win goes through
Also, ratadrabik combos with boromir! 🤘
Matthew, you’re the man bro keep up the good work. Been watching you for a few years now. I agree, please un BAND 15 cmc emrakul!
On that Francisco list I would def get Borne in there and prob at least 1 talisman. I think there's a few options that could be pulled maybe one of the creature stax pieces or Cyc Rift / Muddle seem the weakest of the instants
The combo with Siona you mentioned you may be missing is with Shielded by Faith. Siona in play + attaching shielded by faith to a creature (either by casting or its trigger) causes siona to create a 1/1, trigger shielded by faith, move it to the 1/1, so on and so forth until you want to stop. Infinite 1/1's
Eluge is a WIP for me, this video just jolted me into hyperdrive to make it in paper. It is my favorite
I absolutely love Heartless Hidetsugu! He was my first edh deck when I got back into mtg in 2020. Fun to throw in Grafted exoskeleton, insult//injury and Dictate of the twin gods ( 5 mana is steep, but its great for that flash ability.
or double down with lands like Witch's Clinic and Glacial Chasm.
Grafted Exoskeleton+ glacial chasm or Platinum Angel will keep you safe. Or go all in as a tpk, cause you if can't win, no one can!
Hell yeah, welcome back dude!
Good to be back!
I want that eldrazi deck
Zhulodock is really fun....A really good precon too, since you dont have to worry about land. Highly recommend....fun videos, very concise and no bs filler. These were all cool decks too. The enchantment storm one might be worth a try or the rabbit, valuetown.
i made a videwo on heartless hidetsugu being underrated a while back SO stoked to see more people cover it!!!!
Keep it up Matthew, the community appreciates your work!
@@GoldSabertooth thank you for the support as always, gonna do my best!
Yay! Good to see you again man.
I get curious on how that Zhulok won. If there was a video of the games played it be so sick but, I feel like people ignored it or something. I assume the table was forced to use their interaction on everyone else and eventually the Zhulok avoided interactions and scaled into mid-game to pop off. Most decks that could win turn 3-5 I feel should have beat the Zhulok consistently but, I guess I'll never know.
As someone who plays vs them regularly and played vs them in the tourney Connor was far from ignored. I got cityscape levelered turn 2 because of metalworker. They play some stax pieces and eventually generates too much value to deal with. They also have several infinites and the ability to win at instant speed. It definitely falls under the win second strategy or win because, since most decks attempt a win before him, then he wins after.
It's a really grindy meta, and the deck has now done well there back to back (more on that in the next video), so I don't expect it's getting fully ignored. It is a weird one to wrap your head around though!
return mystic sanctuary to hand with trade routes to put your extra turn spell on top, next turn, draw extra turn, cast it, bounce mystic sanctuary...
I had Heartless Hidetsugu, turned it into Neheb, the Eternal and put HH into the 99. Its a great deck to play. Pyrohemia baby!!!! 🔥
Hello! Thank you for covering my Eluge deck! This is awesome!! Just want to put it out there, I would've top 4'd if I didn't punt the final turn. 😕
This is the perfect time to mention my boy Gaddock Teeg! ❤❤❤
It’s hard to see the zuladok deck winning but colorless ramps hard
I really love seeing these cEDH that aren't the highest tier. I've seen enough Tim Necrons for a while. I wanna see more Arasta in cEDH. ❤
So interaction you missed. Ratadrabik goes infinite with Boromir. You sac Boromir and Ratadrabik makes a nonlegendary 2/2 zombie copy of boromir, then boromir's ability resolves and when the ring tempts you make the boromir token your ring bearer making it legendary. So now when you sac the token it triggers Ratadrabik again and you loop. If you have Kambal or any of the other drain creatures out it drains the table to death
One thing I think you might have missed with Hidetsugu & Grafted Exoskeleton is that if you suicide yourself below 20 life (eg: Treasonous Ogre) while everyone else is higher, you survive the poison.
Always enjoy seeing decks out of the norm
sheild of faith goes inf with the green white creature u mentioned but didnt know :P
Glad to see more cedh content!
glad to be making it!
Ya! My Fran ishai deck mentioned 🙌
Had to talk about it once I saw it.
I made a Cedh Gev deck when he got spoiled, I took a different approach and im using a Snoop pile in mine. Cool list Ill have to give the other deck list a try though!
With Sythis, I play that one as well. Siona combos with Shielded by Faith. Infinite tokens
Trade Routes is there as a combo piece with Mystic Sanctuary + extra turn spells. its a combo
Hell yea, this made my day!
Love to hear it!
Love playing my baylen deck. Goblin bombardment is my main finisher. Infinite tokens, draw deck to find it.
Cool video ! Orzhow deck looks fun!!!!
I don’t understand how disruptor flute is interaction. Wouldn’t you have to either guess what they’re going to cast before they cast it or respond to them casting it after they already paid?
@BrashM not interaction in the strictest sense, but able to be disruptive towards certain combos, make commanders cheaper, punish things like top deck tutors that have you name the card, or cast in response to something that has an activated ability to shut that down.
Looking at Gev.. I was advised against having both Twinflame + Molten by a few ppl cuz of redundancy but we are seeing it here. Is this because it has more utility than just being a combo? Copying Welder w/ haste, or Goblin Engineer w/ Haste, or copying Imperial Recruiter. I'm also not on Cursed Mirror in my turbo list. Wondering if I should bring back Twinflame. Thinking of pulling Skirk Prospector or The One Ring for it. To be fair I am on a lot more black tutors.
So Heartless is just Hyper Fang from Pokemon? That’s neat!
Random question, I am thinking of making a vehicle deck with Rebbecc, architect of ascension and Kraum, ludevic's opus. Do you think that would work well? Rebecc gives artifacts protection from everything so they cant be blocked or die from blocking. Im worried it might be too slow though
Yeah trade routes is for infinite turns with turns spells and mystic sanc
Great video thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I wanted to build Kambal, I'm happy to see it getting success. Time to revisit o_o
I'm confused about this Kambal List. Warren Soultrader + Gravecrawler = kill ? But its missing. And it has crossover w/ Aetherflux Bolas Top. I do like seeing the Sedgmore Chain combo for the kill w/ Kambal
Hey man, welcome back
@@erik556 glad to be back!
16:20 note to self, don’t drink the tap water at Jerry Garcia’s
@@Crustgg I should've put a clip in here!
My man looks maxing keep it up brother
Doing my best! Thank you!
MORE LEMORA CONTENT NOICE !!!
I belive that zhudolok had the win thanks to the meta without sweepers. In casual where everyone has at least a vandelblast or farewell, the deck is simply too fragile
Ratadrabik goes infinite with Boromir. When he dies, you can make the token copy The Ringbearer (legendary) and repeat until everyone is dead.
I’ve actually reach out about ratadrabik being cedh commander, he won’t cover the commander or deck break down like wtf
Also works with all the Nazgul and the Mono Black Gollum. I have this deck, and it's juiced up as much as it can be. Problem is at best it's still a 3 card combo. There's lots of redundancy, but I haven't had much luck with it at proper cEDH tables. Orzohv just kinda sucks.
Mind sharing that list big dog?
@@skellyxj1 imo, Carmen Cruel Skymarcher is the best Orzhov can do in cEDH at the moment. Similar to Tayam or Elivere, if you don't respect it, you're just gonna get steamrolled.
She got room for stax or is that a fools errand?
Baylen has been fun so far
I prefer Orim's Chant to Path to Exile.. am I wrong ;p
@dave3269 nah I'm the same.
That whatnot promo didn’t age well 😂
That Kambal list
Building Eluge now
I’m going to a Heartless Hidetsugu 100%
This beard look is strong
Stax are back?
unfortunate timing on this one
Based gex reference
YEAAAA MIHALI THE GOAT
LFG
We are so back
@@LemorasCards UA-cam wouldnt have been the same without you bro!
And all of these are dead now.
No Fastbond in Sythis? 🤷♂
Unbelievable
Hey there! It's my sythis storm deck, fastbond is banned in edh.
If everyone at the tournament also plays bad decks - some bad decks will win
Quite disappointing that you took the other two videos down instead of owning your actions. That cedhrc was directly responsible for about 15 people I know moving off cedh. But hey, just delete the evidence and hope people forget hey.
It's a thing that isn't happening with actions that were never taken other than saying we might try something. If that's enough to get people to quit, then I don't know what to tell you.
I would rather forget the extreme level of harassment my friends and I received over suggesting custom rules for a card game.
@@LemorasCards my favourite thing on your channel so far over the last couple years was the fact that you owned your f-up, everyone makes mistakes but it takes some balls to say sorry and own it. By deleting the videos it's the weak way out. Shame.
@mgarratt101 it's mainly just to avoid confusion, I continually got messages from people who didn't know if the rc stuff was still happening or thought I was done with cedh forever. They'll probably go back up at some point but the confusion and such wasn't worth keeping them up right now.
28:51 sionia and shielded by faith makes infinite tokens in sythis
Trade routes + mystic sanctuary + any extra turn = infinite turns