Awesome video! I watched it and learned a lot. Used this concept to make my own shelters. I use a ridge pole between to trees, then four poles to make the angle wall. Amazing how the heat radiates and stays in the shelter. Have used as cold as 5F outside and 74F inside. Very warm inside. Great Idea. Take Care
Very little condensation, perhaps due to the slight space between the tarp and the space blanket. At this location I added logs about every 2 hours, due to scrub oak being about the only wood available, with maple 3 or more hours is possible. The fire was not large, just long. Normally I kept 3 or 4 logs in the fire.
To me it's seems that the moisture from your breath will condense in the top of your shelter , maybe you should make use of a more breathe able material or place a thin cotton sheet at the top of your ceiling to soak up the moisture from your breath , just an idea . Great Video -Mike
This video was showing using a tarp as the main shelter item, adding the mylar and plastic to make it a super shelter. Even with three people in it we did not experience any problem with excess moisture, what little there was ran down to the snow. We were not absolutely tight either, if it were -30 we would need to be very tight and would encounter a little more problem with condensation, that said as the temps get colder, moisture tends to turn to ice crystals on many of the surfaces. A parachute type material works very well in place of the tarp, and handles moisture much better, but that's another video...Thanks
I would think that even without the mylar space blanket, you'd still get enough of a greenhouse effect to warm the shelter up. Seems as though this type of shelter, although warm would be pretty clammy from all the moisture buildup.
+Nickathome Smith You do get a good effect with just the tarp and a plastic window, but you would not believe how much more effective the space blanket makes it, it's literally like night and day. It's so much better that I wouldn't think of doing it any other way, unless I just didn't have the mylar with me. In this case we ventilated a little and were just fine. My preference is to use a breathable nylon tarp with the plastic, that works really well in very cold temps and no moisture buildup. This of course is Mors Kochanski's idea, the Super Shelter. Thanks for your comment.
If you throw an upside down style fire with self feeding log roller you dont even have to get out of the shelter. Made my fire last about 12 hours without having to touch it this past winter.
Fire size sometimes depends on the quality of wood in the area. This was a large shelter that held three adult men and could have fit four. The shelter is 10 feet long so we tried to keep the fire that long. The bulk of available wood was from what we locally call "Scrub Oak" which is a very poor wood for fire so it takes a lot more wood to maintain shelter heat than if it were pine, cedar, or maple. We've done Super Shelter with good Aspen logs that didn't take many at all to go through the night.
Beau has no sense or feel for video recording. His footage is shaky, jerky and unpleasant to watch. Good theme for the video, but ruined by amateurish camera handling. I will not watch this again.
i would not have put snow in front of shelter.with snow melting you have water problems and as it melts less weight to hold down plastic.just bend plastic in at bottom and lay log or rocks on it
Question here I don't understand why you used snow to hold down the front. Why not a long pole staked down or logs? Good info video thou thumbs-UP here.
Small bits of tape in a few places to hold it together, so it's not airtight. The shelter's hot despite the fire being so far away b/c long-wave radiation from the fire travels quite a distance, penetrates thru the clear plastic, not absorbed by it. The radiation is reflected down by the emergency blankets, warming the air up. The melt holes happened because they put their black boots against the plastic, and these absorbed the heat, melting the plastic where they made contact with it. -Martin
Nice job Brother.. But I have a question.. sorry if it's already been asked. You sealed in with snow making it rather airtight I would presume. How did you guarantee that you wouldn't use up all of your oxygen? And how far could the fire be away from the shelter and still suffice to warm it.. so you wouldn't burn holes?
Correct, not as shown here, but with a little modification we can do really well in the wind using the EZ Klips rather than duct tape and securely berming the edges with snow. Although we did a test in an area with 30 - 40 winds and it stayed up 2 weeks with no tearing or damage. One more thing, in big winds we would not be using this set up anyway due to difficulty using open fire in those conditions. Thanks!!
We've done poles before and they work fine, We get a really nice solid seal with snow banked up, it's easy to work with and does a great job. The wood in this location was all pretty knarley so it would be harder to work with. We sealed the front and one side with snow and the other side was our door so we used a stick on that one.
Instead of snow, perhaps some logs or rocks to hold the clear front bottom seam in place? Also, why not lay another tarp over the evergreen to help keep moisture out and as an extra insulation?
Hi sir, nice video. Personally, in a weather so cold, i'd no trust the tape. Better a clothe peg/spin. Can find a type in steel with rubber. Strong and durable and multiple uses. In subzero temp the tape will be an issue. Nice shelter, btw. :)
Nice vid, If you don't mind a little bit more initial expense you could use spray adhesive to more permanently attach the space blankets to the tarp. Thanks for posting.
Yes that is also a great way to keep warm. Sometimes for comfort I take my Klean Kanteen filled with water, which has been by the fire and bring it to bed, it will stay warm most of the night. Thanks!
+Howard azmat It needs to be really shiny to work well. We have tried some aluminized fabric, but it didn't reflect nearly as well, and that makes a huge difference.
Nice setup fellas. looks cozy. An added plus might be to built a retainer wall just behind your fire to help contain the heat towards your shelter. Other than That Its Perfect.
Thanks for the comments. We actually had our woodpile for the night in that area. Sometimes we do what is commonly called a reflector wall, though they don't really reflect anything, our purpose for the wall is to control the airflow at the fire, to cause a sheeting action with the flames, resulting in more IR energy emitted and a much warmer shelter.
Awesome video! I watched it and learned a lot. Used this concept to make my own shelters. I use a ridge pole between to trees, then four poles to make the angle wall. Amazing how the heat radiates and stays in the shelter. Have used as cold as 5F outside and 74F inside. Very warm inside. Great Idea. Take Care
Very little condensation, perhaps due to the slight space between the tarp and the space blanket. At this location I added logs about every 2 hours, due to scrub oak being about the only wood available, with maple 3 or more hours is possible. The fire was not large, just long. Normally I kept 3 or 4 logs in the fire.
To me it's seems that the moisture from your breath will condense in the top of your shelter , maybe you should make use of a more breathe able material or place a thin cotton sheet at the top of your ceiling to soak up the moisture from your breath , just an idea .
Great Video
-Mike
This video was showing using a tarp as the main shelter item, adding the mylar and plastic to make it a super shelter. Even with three people in it we did not experience any problem with excess moisture, what little there was ran down to the snow. We were not absolutely tight either, if it were -30 we would need to be very tight and would encounter a little more problem with condensation, that said as the temps get colder, moisture tends to turn to ice crystals on many of the surfaces. A parachute type material works very well in place of the tarp, and handles moisture much better, but that's another video...Thanks
I would think that even without the mylar space blanket, you'd still get enough of a greenhouse effect to warm the shelter up. Seems as though this type of shelter, although warm would be pretty clammy from all the moisture buildup.
+Nickathome Smith You do get a good effect with just the tarp and a plastic window, but you would not believe how much more effective the space blanket makes it, it's literally like night and day. It's so much better that I wouldn't think of doing it any other way, unless I just didn't have the mylar with me. In this case we ventilated a little and were just fine. My preference is to use a breathable nylon tarp with the plastic, that works really well in very cold temps and no moisture buildup. This of course is Mors Kochanski's idea, the Super Shelter. Thanks for your comment.
If you throw an upside down style fire with self feeding log roller you dont even have to get out of the shelter. Made my fire last about 12 hours without having to touch it this past winter.
super shelter didn´t need a superfire: on contrary, it serves to save wood !
Fire size sometimes depends on the quality of wood in the area. This was a large shelter that held three adult men and could have fit four. The shelter is 10 feet long so we tried to keep the fire that long. The bulk of available wood was from what we locally call "Scrub Oak" which is a very poor wood for fire so it takes a lot more wood to maintain shelter heat than if it were pine, cedar, or maple. We've done Super Shelter with good Aspen logs that didn't take many at all to go through the night.
I think i have seen this many years ago, but a great video. Take care .
with howling winds this won't be standing for more than a few hours...
Beau has no sense or feel for video recording. His footage is shaky, jerky and unpleasant to watch. Good theme for the video, but ruined by amateurish camera handling. I will not watch this again.
Very cool! Too bad every time I go camping, the wind is blowing 30 miles an hour, and changing direction every 20 seconds. 😆
i would not have put snow in front of shelter.with snow melting you have water problems and as it melts less weight to hold down plastic.just bend plastic in at bottom and lay log or rocks on it
Question here I don't understand why you used snow to hold down the front. Why not a long pole staked down or logs? Good info video thou thumbs-UP here.
use clips, duct tape loses adhesive properties in colder weather
Awesome shelter!! Quick question, does Ben hot rail meth?
Glad you liked the video. I don't know what you are talking about with Ben, he's a great guy, would do anything for anyone.
Small bits of tape in a few places to hold it together, so it's not airtight. The shelter's hot despite the fire being so far away b/c long-wave radiation from the fire travels quite a distance, penetrates thru the clear plastic, not absorbed by it. The radiation is reflected down by the emergency blankets, warming the air up. The melt holes happened because they put their black boots against the plastic, and these absorbed the heat, melting the plastic where they made contact with it.
-Martin
It's large-scale reflector oven. Try baking some biscuits in it.
Nice job Brother.. But I have a question.. sorry if it's already been asked. You sealed in with snow making it rather airtight I would presume. How did you guarantee that you wouldn't use up all of your oxygen? And how far could the fire be away from the shelter and still suffice to warm it.. so you wouldn't burn holes?
Is that Hollywood Snow? HOW YOU GET SNOW IN JUNE? Good job.
Correct, not as shown here, but with a little modification we can do really well in the wind using the EZ Klips rather than duct tape and securely berming the edges with snow. Although we did a test in an area with 30 - 40 winds and it stayed up 2 weeks with no tearing or damage. One more thing, in big winds we would not be using this set up anyway due to difficulty using open fire in those conditions. Thanks!!
We've done poles before and they work fine, We get a really nice solid seal with snow banked up, it's easy to work with and does a great job. The wood in this location was all pretty knarley so it would be harder to work with. We sealed the front and one side with snow and the other side was our door so we used a stick on that one.
I set one up for 2 weeks during a windy spell, 15 - 30 mph wind, gusts in 40's, no problem. Course you're not having fire in heavy winds either.
Instead of snow, perhaps some logs or rocks to hold the clear front bottom seam in place? Also, why not lay another tarp over the evergreen to help keep moisture out and as an extra insulation?
Yeah, haha, filmed last winter, just getting around to getting it online...thanks for watching!!
We're doing a kit for our PSS that will snap onto it and it will have everything needed.
Cool …
Ben often talks too much.
Very cool! Good shelter and tips. Thank you. ATB Sepp
Hi sir, nice video. Personally, in a weather so cold, i'd no trust the tape. Better a clothe peg/spin. Can find a type in steel with rubber. Strong and durable and multiple uses. In subzero temp the tape will be an issue. Nice shelter, btw. :)
Nice vid, If you don't mind a little bit more initial expense you could use spray adhesive to more permanently attach the space blankets to the tarp. Thanks for posting.
no fires there yet...rest of summer to go though
It would be interesting to see if this shelter could withstand high winds and stormy nights.
Really nice setup, thank you for sharing it with us.
how was condensation and how often did you put wood on the fire awesome shelter.
Where did you find that awesome shemag? regards from sweden!
will this be better than a 4 season tent a good pad and a good bag?
Great video. Informative. Thanks.
Hi nice set up, did you manage to record the shelter temperture?
Pretty area. Has it been saved from the wildfires?
first episode of dual survival, credits go to cody lundin
My favorite shelter design
Mors Kochanski invented the super shelter.
Good info to know! Thanx for sharing!
I love a raised bed with heated rocks below. Feels like a warming blanket.
Yes that is also a great way to keep warm. Sometimes for comfort I take my Klean Kanteen filled with water, which has been by the fire and bring it to bed, it will stay warm most of the night. Thanks!
I'm diggin it!
Wonder if you bought a tarp that was silver to start with could you save the duct tape step?
+Howard azmat It needs to be really shiny to work well. We have tried some aluminized fabric, but it didn't reflect nearly as well, and that makes a huge difference.
Ok Thanks my mistake, I always enjoy your videos.
Nice setup fellas. looks cozy. An added plus might be to built a retainer wall just behind your fire to help contain the heat towards your shelter. Other than That Its Perfect.
Thanks for the comments. We actually had our woodpile for the night in that area. Sometimes we do what is commonly called a reflector wall, though they don't really reflect anything, our purpose for the wall is to control the airflow at the fire, to cause a sheeting action with the flames, resulting in more IR energy emitted and a much warmer shelter.