@@tjh4115 I think she was too caught up in the storyline of the show. Cared more about a happy ending with an engagement ring, than thinking long term. He was clearly committed to her and to proposing, he just wanted to make it right 😢
It's funny how we fall in love with these contestants on their original seasons coz of some unfair thing done to them. But when they become the lead, they very quickly become the villain of their season
Imagine how tough it was for her though. Being the Bachelorette but she was in a position of being constantly compared to Gabby. No matter how much you say to just focus on your own relationships, it takes a huge toll on you. Especially what she went through last season. Rachael was a little too much this season... but I can't even imagine the emotions she had to face. Also the guys from their season weren't the best bunch, let's be honest! They should've had more mature guys on here.
This is what happens when you go after your emotions rather than listening. I know Rachel wants forever, but in the real world, rings don’t just pop up after 3 or 4 dates.
Yes, right on with comments. Rachel R. expected too much, too soon, pushing hard and rushing things in relationships. Rings indeed, don't just pop up within 3-4 dates, or in 2-3 months, in general terms. It takes time and real cooperative work for any relationship to develop and grow, on mutual path and mutual timeline vs. hastenend and rushed timelines. She & others should be mindful of this, going forward, in any relationship, so it seems to yours truly. I could barely listen and watch her this season, sadly put. All the best to her & her suitors anyway.
The goal is to fall in love with someone. She made getting engage the most important part of her story. I was so done with Rachel after what she did to this guy
Same here. I barely tolerated listening and watching her on her season. Gabby held her own better vs. Rachel R. She pushed things even harder vs. another Rachel from earlier on, IMHO.
Yup, right on. She blew it, rushing and pushing the window too hard so to speak. He, Aven, will make a great future husband and dad to the fortunate lucky lady that he wants to be with.
Wanting an engagement in a short timeframe does not make you mature enough to be engaged or married. IMO Rachel needs more time to figure out who she wants is more important than what she wants.
Rachel is so childish and annoying. She said she was looking for love but had her sights only on Tino from the start. None of the other guys had a chance because she was never going to open up to anyone but Tino. Aven’s crime was saying he wanted to make sure everything was right before he proposed and that made Rachel spiral. Tino proposed alright… but look what happened. She deserves everything that has happened to her.
All in all, I agree. She blew it, she reaped what she sowed and certainly wasn' t mature enough to handle very serious stuff, like a real engagement. I will leave it at that. Chill, Rachel, chill.
This is one of the dumbest moments I've ever seen from a Bachelorette. She ONLY heard what she wanted to hear. He told her everything that is Real and they matters and she twisted everything he said even tho he made sure to be super crystal clear before and after. She prioritized an "engagement" over a real life relationship because she wanted the microwaved instant version that RARELY LASTS on this show. This was a very immature and naive moment from a very immature and naive girl. He offered her forever and she threw it away for a free ring and a TV engagement.
Oh yeah, so spot on right. Kudos. Instant relationships and instant engagements DO NOT last and don't work. Real love with real work in a good foundation for any relationship is needed. She blew it, mildly put. Aven stood his ground, held his ground collectively, logically and maturely. Amen and kudos to Aven. No kudos for Rachel R., sadly. Glad that her season is done!
She’s way 2 dramatic. He didn’t lie. He wanted to make sure she was the ONE it’s called compromise and she did not even meet him half way. I don’t blame him at ALL
Yup, she needs to grow up more and be more patient vs. being a total drama queen and more, as you put it so well. SO glad her season is done and is a wrap. Sigh.
Think it's a shame, they were so close to being the perfect couple. Aven is just so gorgeous in every way, and why not have more time, and enjoy life together. If she really cared deep down she would have given him a chance. To be that upset over Aven, sirt of indicates Tino was second choice. Shame
I am so upset with this conversation between these two folks. I feel sorry for aven and I reallycan appreciate what aven is saying to her. His parents are divorced and he doesn't want to go down that road with Rachel. She seems to be just want to be engaged no matter what. In the real world marriage is a sanctity not a trophy. I hope Rachel and aven can reconcile in the future because he's a decent guy. But we'll see what happens. Rachel needs to stop saying Me me me.
A man who doesn’t make impulsive decisions. Uses his brain and thinks things through…. Girl…. Relax. Lol. If you really loved him you wouldn’t need a ring that soon. Just him
If this franchise had a PROMISE ring at the end instead of engagement... it would be a blessing in this already environment accelerated... instead of all the pressure of engagement.
Honestly idk why and how this happened and I know this WILL NEVER happen in Bachelor Nation USA but for some reason I had a dream of Rachel going to BIP instead. She arrives at the 2nd or 3rd week of BIP as “the former lead who arrives to Paradise”. Everyone at that beach is flipping out on who it would be as Jesse Palmer hyped it up as “a former lead will arrive at this very beach to have their shot at love again”. One of the people that is there is Aven. Rachel comes down and everyone is either shocked or happy. Aven, who just started making a connection with another cast member, starts stressing out. In an ITM, he says that Rachel arriving at the beach look really beautiful is starting to bring in all the feelings back. Rachel goes around talking to the other guys, but in her ITM she says that she found out that Aven was at this beach and had wanted to talk to him. They finally sit down to chat and they talk about how it ended between them. They decide to give it another go during BIP. They either leave BIP as a couple or engaged idk. IT’S JUST A DREAM SO DON’T COME AFTER ME!
I don't think this is the last time we see Aven and Rachel together. Rachel and Aven will get back together after AFR and I believe he was her #1 choice. There's still an unfinished love story between them. And I don't mind if people come after me for saying this. Act like an adult already!
@@YJSBMMAMRA LOL. I know is not a popular opinion in bachelor nation. When Becca broke off with Thomas during BIP, I said they would get back together because they had unfinished love story. That's how I feel about Aven and Rachel. It may take some time but they will get back together and live happily ever after.
I think it's less about getting a rock and more about wanting to be "perfect" and have it all, especially after getting dumped in such an unforgettable way by the last Bachelor. I mean, sure, materialism probably played a role, but it seemed more like an insecurity issue and being unable to trust Aven, at the end of the day. It's sad.
so she got upset that the men she let go of wanted to date her after the show but then tino who wanted to be engaged with her she told him lets date more. im confused.
She blew it and let her emotions get in the way of her heart and her readiness, or more like the general lack thereof. Aven held his own and did as well as he did under circumstances. What a roller-coaster season with undue emotional drama it was. SO glad that this season of Bachelorette is now done and is a wrap. Sigh.
Rachel heard the words *Caught Up* and went into a tailspin! Just because he didnt want to propose and he wanted to slow down and take their time, she took it the wrong way! 😢He would have made her SO happy! She glows when on dates with him. How could she think Aven was NOT serious about her⁉️😒🫣🤔 Seriously.
He trully showed he loved you unconditional it was all new gif him we also hve to consider the other loved ones feelings not only our friends and family . He so genuine he cb one’s from a beautiful f up godly upbringing . Lil wish you both well real man who was concern for your feelings being hurt shows he’s a real godly man..
People need to chill about them taking someone to meet family. In relationship, in order to see, whether you can trust them or not (knowing or not) it's the first step to get to the point to see if they can get along with our family. So, chill meeting family isn't that serious, marrying our family is a different thing!
Considering the Bachelor Paradise wrap and how things ended between him and Kylee... it seems like he has a pattern of behavior. This didn't age well for Aven but it is a lesson to all women. Past patterns will almost always predict future behavior. Don't let these "boys" fool you with words that are not established by actions.
She would rather rush into things and pick a guy that would just cheat on her. I realize that the way this show is setup, everything is rushed, but sometimes it’s okay to be rational about everything in the long term.
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Aven was so well spoken and mature
she was a foolish girl. she is twisting what he says in her mind or something. self sabotage?
@@tjh4115 Immature and insecure people self sabotage themselves without even knowing it.
@@tjh4115 I think she was too caught up in the storyline of the show. Cared more about a happy ending with an engagement ring, than thinking long term. He was clearly committed to her and to proposing, he just wanted to make it right 😢
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I’m sure she regrets this decision 😢
Aven was offering her champagne...,how sweet 😊
It's funny how we fall in love with these contestants on their original seasons coz of some unfair thing done to them. But when they become the lead, they very quickly become the villain of their season
Apropos and so spot on right. I tolerated (barely) this recent season.
Imagine how tough it was for her though. Being the Bachelorette but she was in a position of being constantly compared to Gabby. No matter how much you say to just focus on your own relationships, it takes a huge toll on you. Especially what she went through last season. Rachael was a little too much this season... but I can't even imagine the emotions she had to face.
Also the guys from their season weren't the best bunch, let's be honest! They should've had more mature guys on here.
This is what happens when you go after your emotions rather than listening. I know Rachel wants forever, but in the real world, rings don’t just pop up after 3 or 4 dates.
Yes, right on with comments. Rachel R. expected too much, too soon, pushing hard and rushing things in relationships. Rings indeed, don't just pop up within 3-4 dates, or in 2-3 months, in general terms. It takes time and real cooperative work for any relationship to develop and grow, on mutual path and mutual timeline vs. hastenend and rushed timelines. She & others should be mindful of this, going forward, in any relationship, so it seems to yours truly. I could barely listen and watch her this season, sadly put. All the best to her & her suitors anyway.
Totally agree
The goal is to fall in love with someone. She made getting engage the most important part of her story. I was so done with Rachel after what she did to this guy
Same here. I barely tolerated listening and watching her on her season. Gabby held her own better vs. Rachel R. She pushed things even harder vs. another Rachel from earlier on, IMHO.
Falling in love and getting engaged is the concept of the show though.
He would have been a wonderful husband for her if she gave him a chance.
Yup, right on. She blew it, rushing and pushing the window too hard so to speak. He, Aven, will make a great future husband and dad to the fortunate lucky lady that he wants to be with.
Wanting an engagement in a short timeframe does not make you mature enough to be engaged or married. IMO Rachel needs more time to figure out who she wants is more important than what she wants.
I think that engagement means validation. She needs this engagement to prove he’s serious. I wonder if she settled then for Tino. That’s sad.
I think she did
These TV engagements never work! He offered her something REAL of substance. His heart and his word.
Rachel is so childish and annoying. She said she was looking for love but had her sights only on Tino from the start. None of the other guys had a chance because she was never going to open up to anyone but Tino.
Aven’s crime was saying he wanted to make sure everything was right before he proposed and that made Rachel spiral. Tino proposed alright… but look what happened. She deserves everything that has happened to her.
All in all, I agree. She blew it, she reaped what she sowed and certainly wasn' t mature enough to handle very serious stuff, like a real engagement. I will leave it at that. Chill, Rachel, chill.
I'm in line for AVEN!! 😂He's incredibly mature and Genuine!!
This is one of the dumbest moments I've ever seen from a Bachelorette. She ONLY heard what she wanted to hear. He told her everything that is Real and they matters and she twisted everything he said even tho he made sure to be super crystal clear before and after. She prioritized an "engagement" over a real life relationship because she wanted the microwaved instant version that RARELY LASTS on this show. This was a very immature and naive moment from a very immature and naive girl. He offered her forever and she threw it away for a free ring and a TV engagement.
Oh yeah, so spot on right. Kudos. Instant relationships and instant engagements DO NOT last and don't work. Real love with real work in a good foundation for any relationship is needed. She blew it, mildly put. Aven stood his ground, held his ground collectively, logically and maturely. Amen and kudos to Aven. No kudos for Rachel R., sadly. Glad that her season is done!
Totally agree with you
Well said... 😦
She’s way 2 dramatic. He didn’t lie. He wanted to make sure she was the ONE it’s called compromise and she did not even meet him half way. I don’t blame him at ALL
She's being a total drama queen lol I hope she and Aven don't get back together. Rachel needs to grow she's so immature.
Yup, she needs to grow up more and be more patient vs. being a total drama queen and more, as you put it so well. SO glad her season is done and is a wrap. Sigh.
Think it's a shame, they were so close to being the perfect couple. Aven is just so gorgeous in every way, and why not have more time, and enjoy life together. If she really cared deep down she would have given him a chance. To be that upset over Aven, sirt of indicates Tino was second choice. Shame
I am so upset with this conversation between these two folks. I feel sorry for aven and I reallycan appreciate what aven is saying to her. His parents are divorced and he doesn't want to go down that road with Rachel. She seems to be just want to be engaged no matter what. In the real world marriage is a sanctity not a trophy. I hope Rachel and aven can reconcile in the future because he's a decent guy. But we'll see what happens. Rachel needs to stop saying Me me me.
A man who doesn’t make impulsive decisions. Uses his brain and thinks things through…. Girl…. Relax. Lol. If you really loved him you wouldn’t need a ring that soon. Just him
Aven you dodged a bullet
Indeed, Aven did dodge a bullet or two. Same of others that left or bailed out of being with Rachel R. What a hot mess she was.
If this franchise had a PROMISE ring at the end instead of engagement... it would be a blessing in this already environment accelerated... instead of all the pressure of engagement.
Honestly idk why and how this happened and I know this WILL NEVER happen in Bachelor Nation USA but for some reason I had a dream of Rachel going to BIP instead. She arrives at the 2nd or 3rd week of BIP as “the former lead who arrives to Paradise”. Everyone at that beach is flipping out on who it would be as Jesse Palmer hyped it up as “a former lead will arrive at this very beach to have their shot at love again”. One of the people that is there is Aven. Rachel comes down and everyone is either shocked or happy. Aven, who just started making a connection with another cast member, starts stressing out. In an ITM, he says that Rachel arriving at the beach look really beautiful is starting to bring in all the feelings back. Rachel goes around talking to the other guys, but in her ITM she says that she found out that Aven was at this beach and had wanted to talk to him. They finally sit down to chat and they talk about how it ended between them. They decide to give it another go during BIP. They either leave BIP as a couple or engaged idk. IT’S JUST A DREAM SO DON’T COME AFTER ME!
I don't think this is the last time we see Aven and Rachel together. Rachel and Aven will get back together after AFR and I believe he was her #1 choice. There's still an unfinished love story between them. And I don't mind if people come after me for saying this. Act like an adult already!
@@summer031977 you have guts!
@@YJSBMMAMRA LOL. I know is not a popular opinion in bachelor nation. When Becca broke off with Thomas during BIP, I said they would get back together because they had unfinished love story. That's how I feel about Aven and Rachel. It may take some time but they will get back together and live happily ever after.
@@summer031977 it would really crazy if my dream did come true. I don’t use dream flash forwards about these shows.
@@YJSBMMAMRA I would it be crazy?
Ugh I was hoping Aven and Rachel be a couple
Yes love aven!!!! Omg thank god!!! Yesssss. Please give her a chance aven.
Does she just want the ring or…?
All she cares about is the ring. How sad. I'm happy that he didn't stay and propose.
I think it's less about getting a rock and more about wanting to be "perfect" and have it all, especially after getting dumped in such an unforgettable way by the last Bachelor. I mean, sure, materialism probably played a role, but it seemed more like an insecurity issue and being unable to trust Aven, at the end of the day. It's sad.
She will never not make me angry for how she acted here. She is not listening to him.
So Aven was final pick?
so she got upset that the men she let go of wanted to date her after the show but then tino who wanted to be engaged with her she told him lets date more. im confused.
Yup, and it is a total cluster ____ to boot, IMHO. What a hot mess that all was, like another one from earlier. Sigh.
Girl why is she smiling saying goodbye 😭 I feel so bad for aven
She was happy it was only Tino left lol
She blew it and let her emotions get in the way of her heart and her readiness, or more like the general lack thereof. Aven held his own and did as well as he did under circumstances. What a roller-coaster season with undue emotional drama it was. SO glad that this season of Bachelorette is now done and is a wrap. Sigh.
Rachel heard the words *Caught Up* and went into a tailspin! Just because he didnt want to propose and he wanted to slow down and take their time, she took it the wrong way! 😢He would have made her SO happy! She glows when on dates with him. How could she think Aven was NOT serious about her⁉️😒🫣🤔 Seriously.
He trully showed he loved you unconditional it was all new gif him we also hve to consider the other loved ones feelings not only our friends and family . He so genuine he cb one’s from a beautiful f up godly upbringing . Lil wish you both well real man who was concern for your feelings being hurt shows he’s a real godly man..
Aven is for someone who is not from bachelorette
This is WHY I prefer Australia Bachelor over USA. They usually give a promise ring and explore their relationship in the real world
He deserves someone much better than that emotional disaster. She needs therapy for her narcissistic symptoms.
She is too much Aven you had a lucky escape.
She was more in love with a ring than being with a person
People need to chill about them taking someone to meet family. In relationship, in order to see, whether you can trust them or not (knowing or not) it's the first step to get to the point to see if they can get along with our family. So, chill meeting family isn't that serious, marrying our family is a different thing!
“It’s overrrr”
Why did she tell Tino she loved him then if Aven is 'it'?
She just needed a ring that’s bad
Considering the Bachelor Paradise wrap and how things ended between him and Kylee... it seems like he has a pattern of behavior. This didn't age well for Aven but it is a lesson to all women. Past patterns will almost always predict future behavior. Don't let these "boys" fool you with words that are not established by actions.
She would rather rush into things and pick a guy that would just cheat on her. I realize that the way this show is setup, everything is rushed, but sometimes it’s okay to be rational about everything in the long term.
And now they look alike, is it just me or🤔😂
i am so sorry but 6:22 got me cackling
She missed out on another awesome guy. Tino and his difficult family smh 🤦🏻♀️
She only wanted a ring and she got it and lost it within a months
“I’m sitting here trying to fight for it.” translation “I’m sitting here wanting to be the next bachelor.”
This is how he ended things with the paradise girl
Hmmm he’s not ready to settle down he wants to date only
I lost respect for her
This show is for poor people with poor families and no insurance...