I read every word of your story - twice! Well written, well told. Thank you. My own grandfather, born in 1889, had to take his senior year off at Wofford College to go drive a pair of oxen in the turpentine camps of coastal South Carolina, earn some money, then come back to graduate. I've always been fascinated by the way that horses, oxen, and mules can become an extension of a man's mind and hands if that man is willing to train them. Thanks again.
Thank you Tom for the most candid and thoughtful comment. You are so right about the connection that's developed between well cared for animals and the people that care for them. The last team we had was when I was a small child, Sweetheart and Bess. They were Percherons and had been turned out to pasture quite a few years before I was born because of the modern machinery now being used. My dad had quite the unique upbringing having experienced electricity coming to the farm and being involved in the actual setting of poles to string the wires from town for the telephone company. That resulted in our dairy receiving phone #1. I still have a couple milk bottles proudly displaying our local township, dairy logo and the phone number 1. Also unique was his training by the old farmhand that was raised as a slave and freed by Honest Abe's Emancipation Proclamation. Life in the early 1900's was not the cakewalk we experience today. My dad came from the same general era as your granddad and also was kept home to work the farm after the 8th grade so his older brother could go on to graduate. After he finished school, then dad started high school to finish up 4 years later, graduating in 1932. That was just the way it was done back then. No one cared, it was just accepted. I have more stories that could fill a few volumes and that's why I actually started a youtube channel. So maybe my grandkids and future great grand kids might be able to find my channel someday and see how we lived and what we did before they were born. We all have this opportunity to leave a few tracks for them to follow and hopefully they will. I know if I had the opportunity to see videos of my long dead relatives in their daily work, I'd jump on it !! So thank you once again for the thoughtful comment and I DO hope to see you stop in again if you get the chance. Have a wonderful day.
You better believe it David !! Sometimes though, the conditions on the site dictate what we do and how we do it. The trailer was in a tight alley, only two feet off a shed and fence, so the only other option is to block it all and load by hand. Bummer....there goes the sawlogs then. So we reverted to old school technique.
Good evening Sir, OUTSTANDING VERY WELL WRITTEN LIFE BIOGRAPHY mon ami !!! That is serious logging !!! Can image the weight of these loggs !!! You have a very nice weather 👌😉👍 Cheers 🍻
I loaded plenty of logs with this technique when I was younger. Doesn’t take much to roll one as thick as you are tall onto a trailer. Like you said, generally we used the old Ferguson or 8N to pull with.
We loaded with a little Massey Harris 101 Jr. In wide open spaces, I'll have either my son or son in law use 4wd low range to load in reverse so they can see the hand signals. That's only when we don't have access to a loader tractor or crawler. Thanks Travis for chiming in with a little more input.
Great video T! Man, there is alot of wood there - lots for milling and lots for firewood. Loved watching the 660 30" bar going to work on it. Hang on - just need to grab a bag and I am on my way! :))
The 660 IS a beast. Its the biggest saw I have used and does a great job with the 30'' bar. Well, I DID work one end of a 7' cross cut saw as a kid a few times with Dad. But it didn't cut as quickly as this bright orange saw !! Pack your bags, and I'll put the coffee pot on first thing in the morning GP. LOL Thanks for the visit my friend.
I'm about the same vintage as you. My father drove ponies in the coal mines of Scotland and we used horses to work our small farm. I "drove" my first team when I was 7 years old and became part of a threshing crew when I was 12. I really enjoyed working with horses and now that I'm over 70 I wish, many a time, to be young again and working the fields with a team. We also skidded logs out of our bush and our neighbours, for timber and firewood. A good team, trained to obey voice commands, made work easier and enjoyable. Aren't memories grand?
My Dad always said he preferred working with a team over a human. He said his horses at least would listen to him and do what he says. He was trained in the early 19-teens by an old freed slave that worked for my grandfather. He said he learned all he knew about saddle horses and teams from that old black man. By the time I come up in the early 50's the last team was put out to pasture...Sweetheart and Bess. My Dad loved that team but I never had the pleasure of driving a team ...ever ! So I'm a bit envious of your early experiences. The threshing machine was retired by then too, but I have the front wheels in my yard today. In '51 my granddad bought a new Massey Harris model 26 Clipper combine to replace the thresher. Thank you so much for sharing a bit of your memory of your Dad and childhood Hugh !!
Wow, that was some heavy logs. The red oak will make some nice lumber for projects. Looking forward to a video on the larger log. Would be so interesting to spend time with the old slave to hear the stories of his life and experiences. Having a well trained set of horses or mules is definitely an asset. Enjoyed reading and watching!
Yes, the long one goes in the vicinity of 5,000 pounds and the shorter, fatter one will go 4,500 pounds or so. I should have paid closer attention back in the day about things spoken of in his youth. But then again the stories of the older man and mentor only came out during the time when a cousin began boarding horses on the farm and he would talk about training horses to do this or that or how to break them from bad habits. He said horses WERE easier to work with because they'd listen to a command and just do it, but people are contrary and don't listen.
Hey tractorman thanks for this video. I’ve been working with some big logs and loading them onto my mill with ramps similarly to you however I’ve picked up a couple improvements from your video. I had a single anchor point for my winch rope and had to be careful with the log walking a bit off center, your method looks like two anchor straps connected in the middle with a pulley. Your logs pulled easier with the pulley / snatchblock and straighter with the two anchor points! Also, that hook you use with the winch when redirecting the logs on the ground is a great idea. I was struggling to lift the logs in order to get a chain under them to roll but the can’t hook is something I need. I have the pincher claws but I’ll get or make a cant hook to go with it. I’ll have to watch some. Ore of your vid’s and see what else I can learn.
Awesome !! Glad it helped you a little. I have a few others using the same technique in a different manner. I'll try to link them here: ua-cam.com/video/s39fI5rRMqA/v-deo.html and here is another: ua-cam.com/video/3rN0dAbkF2w/v-deo.html and yet another: ua-cam.com/video/_G27PLFfr94/v-deo.html I may have another one but I can't remember for sure. The main thing is...make sure there is redundancy in your efforts at safety. I take a few unnecessarily chances from time to time, but I HAVE been around this stuff for many many years, though I am a far cry from a professional. I hope you find these fun to watch as well as helpful in rigging things aaaaa.....creatively. Oh yeah, here's another rigging video for good measure: ua-cam.com/video/ZmM5kUQJYn0/v-deo.html. Enjoy, and thank you for watching :-)
I have been watching your channel often on for sometime. I like the things that you do you’re showing things that are becoming a lost art better yet the lack of ability to figure things out on your own and common sense. I have done a lot of what you of showing and demonstrating to the upcoming generation and they will never know what they have missed. I really appreciate what you put on his channel and what you show keep up the good channel and good work!
Thank you Bruce for the very nice comment. And thanks for stopping in every now and then. It is appreciated and makes the effort worth it. I started the channel for my very young grandchildren and for the future great grand kids that aren't born yet, so maybe they could somehow by accident or on purpose find these archived somewhere in the 'cloud' and see what their long gone great grandpa did and how he did it. So if others find them entertaining in the mean time, that's good too. Think how cool it would be for you to find some ancient 8mm films of your own g-grandpa today !! So again, thank you for the time you take to watch and comment.
I was loading a big walnut like that at the top of a hill and stopped right before she was going to roll on the trailer. Luckily I had gone around to make sure she was going to stay on the trailer and bang the cable let go and that big beauty traveled at least a hundred yards down hill running over anything in its path. When you say don't stand in its path you are spot on.
Hahahahaha....I can see that happening !! LOL If you stick around for the unloading video it might rekindle the memory a little better. But they don't go quite THAT far....LOL
I almost forgot to read the article below. Looking forward to it. Looks like a lot of value in boards there but it will be well-earned in labor. When you stood in front of the whole project at the beginning it made my back hurt, but you made nice progress already.
I'd never witnessed logging with horses, but a couple years ago we swung some pine logs onto old hayrack running gear with the McCormick 300 bucket and a log chain. Maybe not the best method, certainly not the safest, but it kinda reminded me of your story from the 50s. I sure laughed when you said he trained you like the horses.
Thanks Ozzie for taking the time to watch buddy !! After you read the description, feel free to add to the comment. I'd like to get input from those that read it. I was a little tired the next day....actually, a LOT tired. LOL, but that's ok.
@@OzziesOddities Hahahaha....he sure did train me like he did the horses. That's why I such a large list of colorful expletives at my disposal today !! LOL I don't know what a bundle of loose and dry hay would weigh, but it'd have to be several hundred pounds. So you were probably overloading it but unless they were large logs, not by too terribly much. Thank you for going back and reading the little story. I though people might find it interesting. Thanks again Ozzie.
Sometimes I forget to read but every time I do, I really enjoy your writing. The running gear frame was sturdy but I'm surprised the old log chain and the rotten old tires held up. You talked a lot about safety this time. Some things I'm good about, some not so much. Danger caught up to me a couple falls ago though. I was pulling apart a shed roof after a storm and I put a pole nail right through the front of my eye and just barely out the back. Big ordeal. Sure makes a guy think of all the times he got lucky.
@@OzziesOddities Man Ozzie....I sure HATE to hear that. I don't talk safety too often, but I do a little bit if I think someone might mimic the thing I'm doing. Like with the buzz saw or loading logs like this. I sure wish that didn't happen to you, but I'm sure you lost the eye?? My Dad lost one of his at the age of 7.
I had my doubts when we tripped the over load a time or two. That's the reason for the 'assist'. The few hundred pounds lift I was able to provide lessened the load just enough for the little winch. I can't wait to see what's inside the logs too.
Wendell, you make hard work seems easy, with the winches, and especially the way you know how to rig your pulleys. That's a learned trait that is worth it's weight in gold, to anyone that has sweated the hard way of doing things. haha I love the stihl saw. I can tell that you keep a clean, sharp chain...always. I was told to always have the chain sharp, or leave it at home. Great vid. I enjoyed it very much. Is that red oak? It'll make some beautiful cuts.
Yessir its red oak Michael. Once the big one, if I can get it, is whittled down small enough to go on the little bandsaw, I'm sure it's going to yield some nice looking material. It's maximum log capacity is 28'' so it'll take some doing. The 660 is a saw you don't want to have to throw around all day, so it's reserved for the larger logs. The 440 Magnum with the 24'' bar is my main saw for midsize material and when its just right I'll slip a 30'' on it as well. Trimming I use an old 026 or a cheapie 290. But yes, I try to keep them sharp and out of the dirt.
Just wanted to convey my thanks Wendell. Its really kind of you to share your knowledge and skills. We with common sense can see how well controlled and thought out the whole process was. looking forward to seeing what comes out of them at the mill. kind regards Marcus
Good Evening my friend !! Good to hear from you from way up yonder. Thank you for the kind words and I too hope they will yield a bit of nice looking project material.
What fine big logs you’ve loaded with 44 technology! Our phone and internet was off for 10 days and was just fixed an hour ago so I’m catching up! So right now I’m toasting you guys for your efforts and just because you’re nice dudes! Thanks for this Fine video and this here is DaveyJO Anna I’m outta here to catch up! There be a whole lotta toastin goin on!
I was wondering what had happened. I wasn't getting my Daily Dose of DaveyJO !! I was hoping all was well and you hadn't ended up in the hospital last week like Stan did. He's had a speech issue so he spent a week being poked and prodded. I took him some McD cheeseburgers and coffee yesterday and sat with him for a good while and he's doing fine for now. But he said he was talking but no one could understand him. So there is lots of concern about what's going on. I'm glad you enjoyed the horse-less loading like they did with horses....your Amish friends up there know too well the technique I am sure !!
Those were nice trees. When a cant hook can barely get a grip, that means the log is quite big! And you only showed us the smallest logs. So did you load all of this wood as we speak? Those logs are worth a fortune. Yesterday, I went to buy a few wood planks for a project (yes, that is a shame I don't have a wood mill - for now...). The price of those planks is annoying. Very interesting story behind this log-loading technique. You made a point I was actually wondering about your saying: "but not forgotten by someone that he never even met". That is true! Thanks Wendell!
This is up in the big city, so only one trip for the day, but we will go back with the dump trailer for at least one load of the rounds this coming weekend to clear the way for moving the big ones towards the alley. Then another trip for at least one of the biggest ones. I am happy to see there was at least a few that read the little tribute in the description. Most people don't want to take the time. Thank you Joe, for the kind words.
I sure hope so Jeffrey, but we have to get the firewood out of the yard now. Well, not quite all of it because my friend likes to keep a fire pit going in the evenings. PLUS the two remaining big logs.
That's some work from the wooden ship and iron men age! Yep, I remember Geeing and Hawing and the mule knew when Dad was mad and it would avoid looking at him. 😂 It's a shame some of the younger generation don't seem to want to hear what the older folks have to say. You sure can learn a lot by keeping your mouth shut and ears open. I have learned a heck of a lot from older folks over the years and really appreciated all of it. It's great knowing where your knowledge came from and how it was passed down to you. Hopefully, the younger generation will see your videos and some of that knowledge will continue forward. 👍👍👍
Darned old mules !! LOL. My next older brother had a Jenny for a while. Boy was she an aggravation !! I've said before that I wish I'd have listened a LOT more than I did as a kid. I'm glad a little bit stuck though.... and it IS fun sharing the memories too. The part of the old man's past that's in the description was not shared with all my siblings. We were too busy surviving the hard times to sit around hashing stories too, so until I called the Much Older Brother to glean a little more information did I find that he had nothing to add.
We learned that you all were so impressed with texhnology convenience and electric bobbles that you never taught your children anything worth a damn and now that we are being collapsed into the third world and the youngers cannot afford the equipment they need... and were never taught the manual by hand way of doing things, they are SOL.
Well Mike, out in the open it works more smoothly and with much less effort because a tractor or truck can be used. We had literally 2 feet of usable space on the other side of the trailer and all I had was the little 110v electric winch. In the woods, we could put the trailer in the correct position most of the times. But in town ya gotta work with what ya got !! LOL
wow that's some big trees lots of lumber and firewood there slick way to load the logs pretty smart enjoyed watching thanks take care have a great night
Well Tom, it's either load like this or block them and load 'em by hand. I vote for the winch and ramps !! LOL Thanks for stopping by and taking a looksee.
Thanks John, for the kind words. In 40 plus years of commercial HVAC service work and construction I've had to move quite a number of heavy objects up and down steps, in and out of buildings and many other situations as well. Many times with help and many times without. LOL It is what it is though.
Yessir, I learned it that way from working with my Grampa one summer. I drove the tractor and he used a team of mules to skid logs , load them on the trailer and get them to the sawmill. I was 14 and that was almost 60 years ago.
Awesome !! We all seem to pack some good memories of times long past. Thanks for the input...We too loaded and hauled many logs with Dad back to the sawmill. Our mill was a Fisher and Davis 54'' powered by a mid 30's Buick inline 8 power plant. Fun times !! Loved the straight pipe sound echoing across the holler.
I could tell there was a bit of a load behind the Dodge for a change.... a rough approximation would go near 10,000 pounds total for the two. If you like, see the reply to MAFarm above for a little more input.
Thank you Kurt for letting me know you've taken the time to read it as well watch the video. Many of my videos have an expanded description of interesting stuff concerning but not limited to the actual video.
This was something new I never seen Wendell, loading a log like that, I only see or think that is a job for big machinery with hydraulics, well done, never to old to learn something new, there is surely some good wood in that logs
I hadn't had to load like that for a good while, but its a good thing to know when its needed. That was a tight alley with no room to maneuver. Yes, I think there'll be one or two good looking boards in there.
That's awesome Larry, thank you !! Retirement is pretty cool isn't it. I should've done it years before I did. Hope to see you around a bit !! I do a little firewood stuff myself...mostly with antique tractors and a home built pto powered splitter.
@@tractorman4461 Yes I retired at 62, and we are having a ball with UA-cam, its a great community, and a Tuff road to 1000 subs. Take Care and have fun, we will be camping and fishing soon in our videos🚜🪵👍🏼🇺🇸
@@outdoorswithlarryrobin Way cool !! UA-cam is fun as well as rewarding. You'll get to talk to people all over the world. Canadians are the nicest people, I tell ya. I talk to a lot of guys from Brazil in Portugese and Spain in Spanish through Google translate. Many others speak fluent english though. One of my favorite is a South African that speaks in Afrikaans to his regular viewers over there but also speaks english rather fluently. I've had invitations to visit all across Canada and many, many places in the US. Good luck with your channel Larry !!
Enjoyed the video. My LT15 I used to have had the ramps and a hand crank winch which worked pretty good. Enjoying the new LT35HD with the hydraulics now!
Eventually I'll have a log bunk to load logs to with the skidloader...but until then its whatever way possible. I'd love to have a more of a hydraulic mill like the LT35HD though than this total manual one. Butttt...its a bit of a heftier price tag too.
@@tractorman4461 on the positive side I got almost what I paid for the 4 year old LT15 when I sold it because there is a one year leadtime. Great resale value
My brother in law has gotten a couple truck loads and a tandem trailer of rounds and a neighbor wanted a little bit so he's gotten a few wheel barrows. But the rest is up for grabs I believe. I've got my eye on the first one off the butt cut of the big one way up in the yard. But it's going to take some creativity to move that one. That little winch struggled with the bigger of the two today. Stay tuned Richard, for some cool 'rigging' to take advantage of the 12,000 pound APEX winch on the front of the trailer. I'm still working that one out in my mind...... Might go back this weekend with my son and the dump trailer to get a good size load of rounds.
Now. You really got some wood......nice logs in that wood.....good thing you bout that new saw mill....it’s going to make some nice planks but the question is, what are you going to build with all them nice planks...that was some job loading them logs.....I had a 36 inch yellow birch at the camp that still sitting there rotting away because I wasn’t able to handle it and I already had sawed the smaller one for fire wood and just not wanted to wast the big end.....it’s bin 25 at least years now and it’s only good for the wood bugs.....well done....you deserve the wood.....CHEERS
Well, I don't know for sure exactly what the product will be used for, but I'm sure someone will get the benefit if not myself. Boy I hate to have to leave a good one lay but sometimes there's no other choice...like your big birch. We may not be able to even get the big one onto the trailer, but if we don't at least it WILL make some good firewood.
My dad loaned his one ton truck to his dad and he loaded logs on it like you all did. Do you know why people quit using grabs? I wish I lived closed to you. I would have helped on the cutting. I could have brought the piped 660 and the 880(which I need to finish).
Well Roger, you would have been more than welcome to sink either bar into 'em. I've never even held an 880. I can't imagine the power. The 660 is pretty good for power itself. I don't know why more guys don't use the log dogs. The have their place as can be seen here where skidding tongs wouldn't have been nearly as easy to do the same thing. By the way, where would you suggest looking for a ripping chain, because I'm going to have to take a bit off of two sides of the big one to make it fit the mill.
So I just subscribed,and I’m looking for Howard brothers logging I don’t think that’s is this channel, but I did read the whole store and I admire your family for the history,and did anyone ever know the freed slaves name or family, this story and video is a history lesson thank you praise Jesus Christ grace amen 🙏 thanks BigAl California
Thank you BigAl for hanging around. No, we are not the Howard family. We are just normal country people that have always just took our lives one day at a time. We just try to do what we can to live good, clean lives while trying to leave the world a slightly better place for our effort. In THAT we don't succeed on a daily basis. You will find that the description box on some of the videos don't always follow the particular subject contained in the videos. I do try to make them interesting though and a lot of them contain stories from the past that in some way may be interesting to some viewers. I hope to see you around and look forward to more comments !! By the way one of my co workers was named Big Al as well. He was an air balancer for the sheet metal local here in St Louis.
Thanks for the lesson! You scared the heck out of me when the log was almost at the top of the ramp. "Don't do as I do." LOL! At a minimum I would have put some blocker stumps at the bottom of the ramp. After all, you have a hundred of them scattered all over the yard; might as well put them somewhere where they can save your life. Maybe. I wonder how many you would need to stop the big log.
Yessir, I knew that was a bit chancy....but all is well that ends well. The cable is good with no kinks that I recall and no broken strands. 5/16 aircraft cable rating is beyond the weight of the log I believe. And yes, there WERE a lot of chock blocks right there !! LOL
Sometimes you are in a tight spot and have no other choice. And this was the first time I set eyes on this particular job. However, the next trip to this job I was much better prepared: ua-cam.com/video/vx6a6a0OJmo/v-deo.html. Then here's another one: ua-cam.com/video/3rN0dAbkF2w/v-deo.html Thanks for watching and leaving a cool comment !!
An easier way to change the direction of a log is to roll it up on to a 6x6 close to the balance point and then just swing it. You can usually swing it 90 degrees without the winch.
Yes, many times I'll just grab a pie piece and balance it on the pie and flip it around just like you said. On a lot of jobsites we load with a trac-hoe, back-hoe or hi-lift. Job's like this in the middle of town are much more difficult. Thanks Gregory for chiming in with a good suggestion !!
I put all the logs forty and thirty ft long on my log house the same way only i used a nine n ford tractor with along cable clean over to other side of house works great I also used a turfer jack to shift them endways if need be
I wasn't prepared with this being the first time I got to see the job...but the next time I came prepared. I think this is the following video: ua-cam.com/video/vx6a6a0OJmo/v-deo.html. This time I had enough snatch blocks with me. I have several videos using this technique...one being a fair sized oak just a few weeks ago: ua-cam.com/video/3rN0dAbkF2w/v-deo.html. Thanks for the added input KC. I appreciate you guys watching and commenting.
I wasn't prepared the way I should have been. I didn't get the chance to come look over the job before we got started. But the next few loads we were prepared much better. Here's the loading/unloading video of the next load: ua-cam.com/video/vx6a6a0OJmo/v-deo.html. Thanks for watching.
Those are 8" structural steel channel iron, seven feet long with 2 1/2' x 2 1/2'' angle iron welded across the ends to hook the sides or the backs of the different trailers. The ends are cut at an angle to not damage tires. I did actually bend one of them on an unloading video a little after this one here. But one of the large logs dropped pretty hard onto the one rearward of the trailer. I haven't taken the time to straighten it yet. It took me 20 years to bend one though and it took abuse to do it. LOL
Oh heck yeah....that's one of the reasons why I take multiple saws along. I usually have anywhere from an 18" to a 42" with me. This time I only had the 30" for the 660 and a 24" on the 440 and 20" on the 039. I HATE it when I hit a rock !! Or worse nails of other spikes imbedded a few inches in.
An old 440 or 350 JD loader model would be a good thing if you regularly dealed with logs that big. Small enough to move with a pickup, but big enough to move those logs one at a time. Anything with rubber tires would need to be massive to handle logs that heavy.
The method for raping the cable around the log is called par buckling. It's like adding a block dubbing back, for more pull, or that's how it was explained to me.
@@BGWenterprises Par buckling.... that's a new term to me, but I understand how it works as a snatch block. Just never looked at it that way. Thanks for the new wrinkle in my brain. I have a little Massey Ferguson 2244 that's on the order of the 350/450 JD. The bad thing is the hydraulic clutches are out right now, and the turbo 65 hp Ford New Holland is down with the injection pump problem. I don't think either of the back hoes will move these either.
Yeah, I stayed in the middle one 'assist' too many. LOL. A fellow has to be alert, no doubt. The higher it goes up the ramps the greater the speed at the bottom of the ramp if it gives way. Hopefully both of these will fit the 28'' Frontier mill. But the big one, if I get it, will take a lot of whittling to get it down to size.
@@tractorman4461 lol, For you it would never give way, for me it would right away and roll me like a pizza dough. By the way I fixed the 300U ignition by taking it right apart and putting grease and points and a new button. The old button did not fit the shaft properly. I will save my electronic ignition for when it breaks down again in one month or ten years. Best -PK.
@@___PK__ Hahahaha....roll ya like pizza dough...LOL Great news on the 300U !! Yes, save the electronic ignition when its really needed. You may get lucky and not need it at all !!
Hahahaha...that's a good one Martin !! LOL During my career I had the opportunity to move a LOT of large pieces of equipment in and out of buildings as well as up and down stairs with mechanical means. In the description I lay out a little more of the foundation of learning this technique of log loading too. Thank you my friend for the cool, cool comment.
There are a pair of chains that hook to the far side of the trailer, then are hooked to the 20' chokers that form the 'V' that go under the logs. It varies from time to time depending on where they job is and how big the logs are. The logs are rolled onto the deck to sit on a pair of either 6x6's or 4x4's to aid rolling over knots on the log without breaking holes in the deck. A 5,000 pound log puts a LOT of weight on a knot. Thanks Tim for the questions. I hope it helps you.
@@timbarry5080 We loaded so much by hand years ago and found quickly how hard it is to roll over a knot on a flatbed. So much easier rolling a knotty log across 2) 4x4's..
Yessir. Good tip. I do that all the time on smaller logs. This one was just a bit large. The ground was soft enough that it just punched a small piece right into the ground !!
Always so easy to get hurt bucking logs or firewood. I've pulled alot of firewood logs out of the woods with a Farmall H and have to watch that the log follows the tractor and not turning into another tree along the drag path.AL B.
You know, I just never really thought about areas or countries that might not have trees like this. The big one here was 46'' at the butt cut. Thank you very much for stopping by for a visit and especially for leaving a comment.
That's 8'' structural steel channel iron salvaged off a jobsite Eric. It was going into the scrap hopper until I rescued it along with 6 or 7 other 20' lengths.
Heft logs there Wendell! What type of wood are these? I'm looking forward now to see how many boards you can get with these logs running through that Sawmill of yours.
They are red oak Reg. A little bit of material there isn't there. I just got to get the boards out of there with the little bandsaw and onto the stacking strips !! Man, it is green and heavy.
@@tractorman4461 Yes they're heavy for sure, even before you mentioned that winch loading up, I heard it under stress. It is amazing too, just how much of that weight is just water, isn't it?
@@regsparkes6507 Yes, it is amazing how much a green log contains. The little winch actually tripped the overload several times before I gave the little 'assist'.
Gee Wllickers Wendell, do you remember when the sawmills were steam driven? I think that I'm going to start calling "Mr. Safety" and I remember my Dad saying "Do as I say not as I do" Another great video. I love how you managed those huge logs around almost as if they were nothing at all. How much weight do you figure you had on the trailer? If they don't fit in the sawmill how will you make them fit?
Rick, the long one (11') would hit roughly 5,000 pounds and the shorter 9' one would hit roughly 4,500. It was larger in diameter. So I was running around 10,000 pounds for the wood load plus equipment. I'll have to slab two sides 90* of each other with a chain saw and a ripping chain to center up the logs grain and bring it within the limits of my little mill. I have two 7,000 pound axles under the home made trailer, both with electric brakes.
I have been climbing , cutting and moving logs that size for 3 months and cutting on saw mill for a barn. I'm 62 people are shocked to see me at the top of a big tree removing limbs with wife on rope
Keep up the good work. There's almost no activity that compares to doing these things for the satisfaction of knowing we can. It doesn't hurt that the product, whether its lumber or heating wood, is also beneficial to us and our families. I'm 73 and still hitting the woods at every opportunity.
This was the first time I'd been to this job, so preparations weren't the best. But when we came back for the next loads we DID have the stuff necessary to load much safer and easier. I load a lot of stuff like this. Sometimes with the winch and others with a truck or tractor doing the rolling when we have the space. Here's the most recent. I made a mistake or two on this one as well. But it loaded and unloaded ok anyway : ua-cam.com/video/s39fI5rRMqA/v-deo.html
Well, it was a neighbors garage roof and chain link fence issue. One of the larger branches broke out and crashed into the roof and crunched the fence next door. So it had to come down. Another one is rotting from the bottom up about the first three feet. So it appears healthy from the outside, but it was dying from the inside out and as big as it is was creating a future liability as well.
Yeah, either one of these would've given me a REAL bad day for sure....if the cable broke anyway. LOL Sorry about your buddy, hope he gets back in the woods soon !! Tell him to watch this video....just kidding. (-:
Hahahahaha....I don't heal up quite as quick any more either. That's why I try to keep the injuries to a minimum !! But then I DO have a buddy that owns a funeral home....just sayin'....LOL What damage IS in the yard was from the huge branches gouging into the terra firma on the fall.
Yeah, that my brother in law with the good muffs. He's already lost a lot of hearing riding street bikes with no ear plugs. I had standard green earplugs jammed in.
You are the second viewer to turn me on to that term. I've not really heard of it before. Thanks for reminding me of it once again. I'll try to commit that to memory and use it sometime in a video.
Thanks for watching and if you want to see better loading techniques on the same job and have the time check this one out: ua-cam.com/video/vx6a6a0OJmo/v-deo.html or the same technique on a different job: ua-cam.com/video/3rN0dAbkF2w/v-deo.html
Well now, thank you for the awesome comment. I do like working with the boys when a challenge comes along. I wasn't too well prepared for this load, but the rest of the large logs loaded a LOT easier with a little creative rigging...4 snatch blocks and the 12,000 lb Badlands on the front of the trailer did the trick: ua-cam.com/video/vx6a6a0OJmo/v-deo.html. Thanks again for watching. Your time is appreciated !!
That's a new one on me. The old man never had a name for it. Its just the way we loaded logs for the sawmill with a tractor. He always used a team of horses back in the 19-teens before there were tractors on the farm. Another guy told me it was called parbuckling.
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Ok, nice job, but that was painful to watch you standing in front of the steam train of a log, when that cheapy wench would break. The gears on the wench were the weak link and so you were lucky to still be here. In reality, you were not doing much rolling the logs up the incline. A smarter person would just watched from a safe distance. When I was a boy 70 years ago, I saw the near side main beam of the wagon break in to and the log cam back off the wagon. Please keep that in mind. Thanks.
Oh yeah, there's a bit of a chance taken there Charlie...but I was fully aware that that particular momentary stance wasn't the best of choices. Now one thing I didn't think of was what you describe with the potential of a swing back action from one end. Good point, I've not seen that happen but I WILL keep that in mind for sure in the future.
I read every word of your story - twice! Well written, well told. Thank you. My own grandfather, born in 1889, had to take his senior year off at Wofford College to go drive a pair of oxen in the turpentine camps of coastal South Carolina, earn some money, then come back to graduate. I've always been fascinated by the way that horses, oxen, and mules can become an extension of a man's mind and hands if that man is willing to train them. Thanks again.
Thank you Tom for the most candid and thoughtful comment. You are so right about the connection that's developed between well cared for animals and the people that care for them. The last team we had was when I was a small child, Sweetheart and Bess. They were Percherons and had been turned out to pasture quite a few years before I was born because of the modern machinery now being used.
My dad had quite the unique upbringing having experienced electricity coming to the farm and being involved in the actual setting of poles to string the wires from town for the telephone company. That resulted in our dairy receiving phone #1. I still have a couple milk bottles proudly displaying our local township, dairy logo and the phone number 1. Also unique was his training by the old farmhand that was raised as a slave and freed by Honest Abe's Emancipation Proclamation.
Life in the early 1900's was not the cakewalk we experience today. My dad came from the same general era as your granddad and also was kept home to work the farm after the 8th grade so his older brother could go on to graduate. After he finished school, then dad started high school to finish up 4 years later, graduating in 1932. That was just the way it was done back then. No one cared, it was just accepted.
I have more stories that could fill a few volumes and that's why I actually started a youtube channel. So maybe my grandkids and future great grand kids might be able to find my channel someday and see how we lived and what we did before they were born. We all have this opportunity to leave a few tracks for them to follow and hopefully they will. I know if I had the opportunity to see videos of my long dead relatives in their daily work, I'd jump on it !! So thank you once again for the thoughtful comment and I DO hope to see you stop in again if you get the chance. Have a wonderful day.
Good thing we have all the modern equipment now to improve safety when logging. That was an interesting demo, Wendell!
You better believe it David !! Sometimes though, the conditions on the site dictate what we do and how we do it. The trailer was in a tight alley, only two feet off a shed and fence, so the only other option is to block it all and load by hand. Bummer....there goes the sawlogs then. So we reverted to old school technique.
Good evening Sir, OUTSTANDING VERY WELL WRITTEN LIFE BIOGRAPHY mon ami !!! That is serious logging !!! Can image the weight of these loggs !!! You have a very nice weather 👌😉👍 Cheers 🍻
It wasn't too bad of a load Dave. Roughly 10,000 pounds of wood there. Green red oak. I knew you would like the story about my Dad.
@@tractorman4461 and so it seems I am the second one!
@@FromSteelToWood Hahahaha.....thanks for reading the description Joe. I knew there would be a few that would enjoy it.
I loaded plenty of logs with this technique when I was younger. Doesn’t take much to roll one as thick as you are tall onto a trailer. Like you said, generally we used the old Ferguson or 8N to pull with.
We loaded with a little Massey Harris 101 Jr. In wide open spaces, I'll have either my son or son in law use 4wd low range to load in reverse so they can see the hand signals. That's only when we don't have access to a loader tractor or crawler. Thanks Travis for chiming in with a little more input.
Great video T! Man, there is alot of wood there - lots for milling and lots for firewood. Loved watching the 660 30" bar going to work on it. Hang on - just need to grab a bag and I am on my way! :))
The 660 IS a beast. Its the biggest saw I have used and does a great job with the 30'' bar. Well, I DID work one end of a 7' cross cut saw as a kid a few times with Dad. But it didn't cut as quickly as this bright orange saw !! Pack your bags, and I'll put the coffee pot on first thing in the morning GP. LOL Thanks for the visit my friend.
Holy moly those were some bigguns’. One heck of a tree. Awesome work Wendell. Very impressive
Thank you for the nice words my friend....It would've been a bit tough without the winch though. LOL.
I'm about the same vintage as you. My father drove ponies in the coal mines of Scotland and we used horses to work our small farm. I "drove" my first team when I was 7 years old and became part of a threshing crew when I was 12. I really enjoyed working with horses and now that I'm over 70 I wish, many a time, to be young again and working the fields with a team. We also skidded logs out of our bush and our neighbours, for timber and firewood. A good team, trained to obey voice commands, made work easier and enjoyable. Aren't memories grand?
My Dad always said he preferred working with a team over a human. He said his horses at least would listen to him and do what he says. He was trained in the early 19-teens by an old freed slave that worked for my grandfather. He said he learned all he knew about saddle horses and teams from that old black man. By the time I come up in the early 50's the last team was put out to pasture...Sweetheart and Bess. My Dad loved that team but I never had the pleasure of driving a team ...ever ! So I'm a bit envious of your early experiences. The threshing machine was retired by then too, but I have the front wheels in my yard today. In '51 my granddad bought a new Massey Harris model 26 Clipper combine to replace the thresher. Thank you so much for sharing a bit of your memory of your Dad and childhood Hugh !!
Wow, that was some heavy logs. The red oak will make some nice lumber for projects. Looking forward to a video on the larger log.
Would be so interesting to spend time with the old slave to hear the stories of his life and experiences. Having a well trained set of horses or mules is definitely an asset. Enjoyed reading and watching!
Yes, the long one goes in the vicinity of 5,000 pounds and the shorter, fatter one will go 4,500 pounds or so. I should have paid closer attention back in the day about things spoken of in his youth. But then again the stories of the older man and mentor only came out during the time when a cousin began boarding horses on the farm and he would talk about training horses to do this or that or how to break them from bad habits. He said horses WERE easier to work with because they'd listen to a command and just do it, but people are contrary and don't listen.
Hey tractorman thanks for this video. I’ve been working with some big logs and loading them onto my mill with ramps similarly to you however I’ve picked up a couple improvements from your video. I had a single anchor point for my winch rope and had to be careful with the log walking a bit off center, your method looks like two anchor straps connected in the middle with a pulley. Your logs pulled easier with the pulley / snatchblock and straighter with the two anchor points! Also, that hook you use with the winch when redirecting the logs on the ground is a great idea. I was struggling to lift the logs in order to get a chain under them to roll but the can’t hook is something I need. I have the pincher claws but I’ll get or make a cant hook to go with it. I’ll have to watch some. Ore of your vid’s and see what else I can learn.
Awesome !! Glad it helped you a little. I have a few others using the same technique in a different manner. I'll try to link them here: ua-cam.com/video/s39fI5rRMqA/v-deo.html and here is another: ua-cam.com/video/3rN0dAbkF2w/v-deo.html and yet another: ua-cam.com/video/_G27PLFfr94/v-deo.html I may have another one but I can't remember for sure. The main thing is...make sure there is redundancy in your efforts at safety. I take a few unnecessarily chances from time to time, but I HAVE been around this stuff for many many years, though I am a far cry from a professional. I hope you find these fun to watch as well as helpful in rigging things aaaaa.....creatively. Oh yeah, here's another rigging video for good measure: ua-cam.com/video/ZmM5kUQJYn0/v-deo.html. Enjoy, and thank you for watching :-)
I love it when a plan comes together!!!
Hahahahaha....good morning my friend !! Good to hear from you today. I see you are still busy at enjoying the good life !!
I have been watching your channel often on for sometime. I like the things that you do you’re showing things that are becoming a lost art better yet the lack of ability to figure things out on your own and common sense. I have done a lot of what you of showing and demonstrating to the upcoming generation and they will never know what they have missed. I really appreciate what you put on his channel and what you show keep up the good channel and good work!
Thank you Bruce for the very nice comment. And thanks for stopping in every now and then. It is appreciated and makes the effort worth it. I started the channel for my very young grandchildren and for the future great grand kids that aren't born yet, so maybe they could somehow by accident or on purpose find these archived somewhere in the 'cloud' and see what their long gone great grandpa did and how he did it.
So if others find them entertaining in the mean time, that's good too. Think how cool it would be for you to find some ancient 8mm films of your own g-grandpa today !! So again, thank you for the time you take to watch and comment.
I was loading a big walnut like that at the top of a hill and stopped right before she was going to roll on the trailer. Luckily I had gone around to make sure she was going to stay on the trailer and bang the cable let go and that big beauty traveled at least a hundred yards down hill running over anything in its path. When you say don't stand in its path you are spot on.
Hahahahaha....I can see that happening !! LOL If you stick around for the unloading video it might rekindle the memory a little better. But they don't go quite THAT far....LOL
I almost forgot to read the article below. Looking forward to it. Looks like a lot of value in boards there but it will be well-earned in labor. When you stood in front of the whole project at the beginning it made my back hurt, but you made nice progress already.
I'd never witnessed logging with horses, but a couple years ago we swung some pine logs onto old hayrack running gear with the McCormick 300 bucket and a log chain. Maybe not the best method, certainly not the safest, but it kinda reminded me of your story from the 50s. I sure laughed when you said he trained you like the horses.
Thanks Ozzie for taking the time to watch buddy !! After you read the description, feel free to add to the comment. I'd like to get input from those that read it. I was a little tired the next day....actually, a LOT tired. LOL, but that's ok.
@@OzziesOddities Hahahaha....he sure did train me like he did the horses. That's why I such a large list of colorful expletives at my disposal today !! LOL I don't know what a bundle of loose and dry hay would weigh, but it'd have to be several hundred pounds. So you were probably overloading it but unless they were large logs, not by too terribly much. Thank you for going back and reading the little story. I though people might find it interesting. Thanks again Ozzie.
Sometimes I forget to read but every time I do, I really enjoy your writing. The running gear frame was sturdy but I'm surprised the old log chain and the rotten old tires held up. You talked a lot about safety this time. Some things I'm good about, some not so much. Danger caught up to me a couple falls ago though. I was pulling apart a shed roof after a storm and I put a pole nail right through the front of my eye and just barely out the back. Big ordeal. Sure makes a guy think of all the times he got lucky.
@@OzziesOddities Man Ozzie....I sure HATE to hear that. I don't talk safety too often, but I do a little bit if I think someone might mimic the thing I'm doing. Like with the buzz saw or loading logs like this. I sure wish that didn't happen to you, but I'm sure you lost the eye?? My Dad lost one of his at the age of 7.
What a great story and great memory for you to pass down to all of us.
Thanks Paul for the comment. I am glad that you were one of the few that read the history of learning the technique. I appreciate that for sure.
That’s a lot of work. And that little winch is a trooper. But you got some really nice saw logs out of it.
I had my doubts when we tripped the over load a time or two. That's the reason for the 'assist'. The few hundred pounds lift I was able to provide lessened the load just enough for the little winch. I can't wait to see what's inside the logs too.
Wendell, you make hard work seems easy, with the winches, and especially the way you know how to rig your pulleys. That's a learned trait that is worth it's weight in gold, to anyone that has sweated the hard way of doing things. haha I love the stihl saw. I can tell that you keep a clean, sharp chain...always. I was told to always have the chain sharp, or leave it at home. Great vid. I enjoyed it very much. Is that red oak? It'll make some beautiful cuts.
Yessir its red oak Michael. Once the big one, if I can get it, is whittled down small enough to go on the little bandsaw, I'm sure it's going to yield some nice looking material. It's maximum log capacity is 28'' so it'll take some doing. The 660 is a saw you don't want to have to throw around all day, so it's reserved for the larger logs. The 440 Magnum with the 24'' bar is my main saw for midsize material and when its just right I'll slip a 30'' on it as well. Trimming I use an old 026 or a cheapie 290. But yes, I try to keep them sharp and out of the dirt.
Just wanted to convey my thanks Wendell. Its really kind of you to share your knowledge and skills. We with common sense can see how well controlled and thought out the whole process was. looking forward to seeing what comes out of them at the mill.
kind regards Marcus
Good Evening my friend !! Good to hear from you from way up yonder. Thank you for the kind words and I too hope they will yield a bit of nice looking project material.
What fine big logs you’ve loaded with 44 technology! Our phone and internet was off for 10 days and was just fixed an hour ago so I’m catching up! So right now I’m toasting you guys for your efforts and just because you’re nice dudes! Thanks for this Fine video and this here is DaveyJO Anna I’m outta here to catch up! There be a whole lotta toastin goin on!
I was wondering what had happened. I wasn't getting my Daily Dose of DaveyJO !! I was hoping all was well and you hadn't ended up in the hospital last week like Stan did. He's had a speech issue so he spent a week being poked and prodded. I took him some McD cheeseburgers and coffee yesterday and sat with him for a good while and he's doing fine for now. But he said he was talking but no one could understand him. So there is lots of concern about what's going on.
I'm glad you enjoyed the horse-less loading like they did with horses....your Amish friends up there know too well the technique I am sure !!
Those were nice trees. When a cant hook can barely get a grip, that means the log is quite big! And you only showed us the smallest logs. So did you load all of this wood as we speak? Those logs are worth a fortune. Yesterday, I went to buy a few wood planks for a project (yes, that is a shame I don't have a wood mill - for now...). The price of those planks is annoying. Very interesting story behind this log-loading technique. You made a point I was actually wondering about your saying: "but not forgotten by someone that he never even met". That is true! Thanks Wendell!
This is up in the big city, so only one trip for the day, but we will go back with the dump trailer for at least one load of the rounds this coming weekend to clear the way for moving the big ones towards the alley. Then another trip for at least one of the biggest ones. I am happy to see there was at least a few that read the little tribute in the description. Most people don't want to take the time. Thank you Joe, for the kind words.
That's some good work right there Sir. Well done! -John
Thank you for the kind words John. The last two larger logs will take a bit more innovation to get them on the trailer I believe.
Great video those are definitely gonna make some nice lumber. Looking forward to the nxt one!!!
I sure hope so Jeffrey, but we have to get the firewood out of the yard now. Well, not quite all of it because my friend likes to keep a fire pit going in the evenings. PLUS the two remaining big logs.
That's some work from the wooden ship and iron men age! Yep, I remember Geeing and Hawing and the mule knew when Dad was mad and it would avoid looking at him. 😂 It's a shame some of the younger generation don't seem to want to hear what the older folks have to say. You sure can learn a lot by keeping your mouth shut and ears open. I have learned a heck of a lot from older folks over the years and really appreciated all of it. It's great knowing where your knowledge came from and how it was passed down to you. Hopefully, the younger generation will see your videos and some of that knowledge will continue forward. 👍👍👍
Darned old mules !! LOL. My next older brother had a Jenny for a while. Boy was she an aggravation !! I've said before that I wish I'd have listened a LOT more than I did as a kid. I'm glad a little bit stuck though.... and it IS fun sharing the memories too. The part of the old man's past that's in the description was not shared with all my siblings. We were too busy surviving the hard times to sit around hashing stories too, so until I called the Much Older Brother to glean a little more information did I find that he had nothing to add.
We learned that you all were so impressed with texhnology convenience and electric bobbles that you never taught your children anything worth a damn and now that we are being collapsed into the third world and the youngers cannot afford the equipment they need... and were never taught the manual by hand way of doing things, they are SOL.
Awesome deal using the v with the straps. Thankz for sharing.
Well Mike, out in the open it works more smoothly and with much less effort because a tractor or truck can be used. We had literally 2 feet of usable space on the other side of the trailer and all I had was the little 110v electric winch. In the woods, we could put the trailer in the correct position most of the times. But in town ya gotta work with what ya got !! LOL
wow that's some big trees lots of lumber and firewood there slick way to load the logs pretty smart enjoyed watching thanks take care have a great night
Well Tom, it's either load like this or block them and load 'em by hand. I vote for the winch and ramps !! LOL Thanks for stopping by and taking a looksee.
Ingenuity! Adapt and overcome! Good Job.
Thanks John, for the kind words. In 40 plus years of commercial HVAC service work and construction I've had to move quite a number of heavy objects up and down steps, in and out of buildings and many other situations as well. Many times with help and many times without. LOL It is what it is though.
Yessir, I learned it that way from working with my Grampa one summer. I drove the tractor and he used a team of mules to skid logs , load them on the trailer and get them to the sawmill. I was 14 and that was almost 60 years ago.
Awesome !! We all seem to pack some good memories of times long past. Thanks for the input...We too loaded and hauled many logs with Dad back to the sawmill. Our mill was a Fisher and Davis 54'' powered by a mid 30's Buick inline 8 power plant. Fun times !! Loved the straight pipe sound echoing across the holler.
What a nice tribute to the freed slave who was obviously a very good teacher as well. Excellent video. Oh my, the weight of those 2 logs!!! Ugh!
I could tell there was a bit of a load behind the Dodge for a change.... a rough approximation would go near 10,000 pounds total for the two. If you like, see the reply to MAFarm above for a little more input.
Well done mate! That's a good days work for sure. Love the description too.👍👍
Thank you Kurt for letting me know you've taken the time to read it as well watch the video. Many of my videos have an expanded description of interesting stuff concerning but not limited to the actual video.
@@tractorman4461 no worries mate!
ALWAYS wondered how logs were loaded on sleds in the old days.Thank you!
Well this is ONE way st least. It’s the way I learned as a kid. Gotta be careful but it’s an effective way to do it. Thank you for watching.
This was something new I never seen Wendell, loading a log like that, I only see or think that is a job for big machinery with hydraulics, well done, never to old to learn something new, there is surely some good wood in that logs
I hadn't had to load like that for a good while, but its a good thing to know when its needed. That was a tight alley with no room to maneuver. Yes, I think there'll be one or two good looking boards in there.
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That's awesome Larry, thank you !! Retirement is pretty cool isn't it. I should've done it years before I did. Hope to see you around a bit !! I do a little firewood stuff myself...mostly with antique tractors and a home built pto powered splitter.
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@@outdoorswithlarryrobin Way cool !! UA-cam is fun as well as rewarding. You'll get to talk to people all over the world. Canadians are the nicest people, I tell ya. I talk to a lot of guys from Brazil in Portugese and Spain in Spanish through Google translate. Many others speak fluent english though. One of my favorite is a South African that speaks in Afrikaans to his regular viewers over there but also speaks english rather fluently. I've had invitations to visit all across Canada and many, many places in the US. Good luck with your channel Larry !!
Enjoyed the video. My LT15 I used to have had the ramps and a hand crank winch which worked pretty good. Enjoying the new LT35HD with the hydraulics now!
Eventually I'll have a log bunk to load logs to with the skidloader...but until then its whatever way possible. I'd love to have a more of a hydraulic mill like the LT35HD though than this total manual one. Butttt...its a bit of a heftier price tag too.
@@tractorman4461 on the positive side I got almost what I paid for the 4 year old LT15 when I sold it because there is a one year leadtime. Great resale value
Nice team work and great log’s Are you getting it all
My brother in law has gotten a couple truck loads and a tandem trailer of rounds and a neighbor wanted a little bit so he's gotten a few wheel barrows. But the rest is up for grabs I believe. I've got my eye on the first one off the butt cut of the big one way up in the yard. But it's going to take some creativity to move that one. That little winch struggled with the bigger of the two today. Stay tuned Richard, for some cool 'rigging' to take advantage of the 12,000 pound APEX winch on the front of the trailer. I'm still working that one out in my mind...... Might go back this weekend with my son and the dump trailer to get a good size load of rounds.
@@tractorman4461 if someone can get it done you can and I’m looking forward to seeing it. I know your looking forward to the challenge
@@richardjacques6370 It'll be a trip, that's for sure. LOL
Now. You really got some wood......nice logs in that wood.....good thing you bout that new saw mill....it’s going to make some nice planks but the question is, what are you going to build with all them nice planks...that was some job loading them logs.....I had a 36 inch yellow birch at the camp that still sitting there rotting away because I wasn’t able to handle it and I already had sawed the smaller one for fire wood and just not wanted to wast the big end.....it’s bin 25 at least years now and it’s only good for the wood bugs.....well done....you deserve the wood.....CHEERS
Well, I don't know for sure exactly what the product will be used for, but I'm sure someone will get the benefit if not myself. Boy I hate to have to leave a good one lay but sometimes there's no other choice...like your big birch. We may not be able to even get the big one onto the trailer, but if we don't at least it WILL make some good firewood.
My dad loaned his one ton truck to his dad and he loaded logs on it like you all did. Do you know why people quit using grabs? I wish I lived closed to you. I would have helped on the cutting. I could have brought the piped 660 and the 880(which I need to finish).
Well Roger, you would have been more than welcome to sink either bar into 'em. I've never even held an 880. I can't imagine the power. The 660 is pretty good for power itself. I don't know why more guys don't use the log dogs. The have their place as can be seen here where skidding tongs wouldn't have been nearly as easy to do the same thing. By the way, where would you suggest looking for a ripping chain, because I'm going to have to take a bit off of two sides of the big one to make it fit the mill.
So I just subscribed,and I’m looking for Howard brothers logging I don’t think that’s is this channel, but I did read the whole store and I admire your family for the history,and did anyone ever know the freed slaves name or family, this story and video is a history lesson thank you praise Jesus Christ grace amen 🙏 thanks BigAl California
Thank you BigAl for hanging around. No, we are not the Howard family. We are just normal country people that have always just took our lives one day at a time. We just try to do what we can to live good, clean lives while trying to leave the world a slightly better place for our effort. In THAT we don't succeed on a daily basis.
You will find that the description box on some of the videos don't always follow the particular subject contained in the videos. I do try to make them interesting though and a lot of them contain stories from the past that in some way may be interesting to some viewers. I hope to see you around and look forward to more comments !! By the way one of my co workers was named Big Al as well. He was an air balancer for the sheet metal local here in St Louis.
hi there must be a big wood day . you win yours is bigger . you guys did good and on flat ground . john
Yes, and its a shame it's gotta come out in such a hard way too. But no matter, we had fun doing it that way.
Thanks for sharing.
It's a bit of old technology that's good to keep in circulation I believe. Thanks for watching Manuel.
Thanks for the lesson!
You scared the heck out of me when the log was almost at the top of the ramp. "Don't do as I do." LOL!
At a minimum I would have put some blocker stumps at the bottom of the ramp. After all, you have a hundred of them scattered all over the yard; might as well put them somewhere where they can save your life. Maybe. I wonder how many you would need to stop the big log.
Yessir, I knew that was a bit chancy....but all is well that ends well. The cable is good with no kinks that I recall and no broken strands. 5/16 aircraft cable rating is beyond the weight of the log I believe. And yes, there WERE a lot of chock blocks right there !! LOL
Always good to see men doing things the right way.
Sometimes you are in a tight spot and have no other choice. And this was the first time I set eyes on this particular job. However, the next trip to this job I was much better prepared: ua-cam.com/video/vx6a6a0OJmo/v-deo.html. Then here's another one: ua-cam.com/video/3rN0dAbkF2w/v-deo.html Thanks for watching and leaving a cool comment !!
An easier way to change the direction of a log is to roll it up on to a 6x6 close to the balance point and then just swing it. You can usually swing it 90 degrees without the winch.
Yes, many times I'll just grab a pie piece and balance it on the pie and flip it around just like you said. On a lot of jobsites we load with a trac-hoe, back-hoe or hi-lift. Job's like this in the middle of town are much more difficult. Thanks Gregory for chiming in with a good suggestion !!
nice looking logs
Yes, they sure are. They look a lot better on the trailer than on the ground too !! LOL
I put all the logs forty and thirty ft long on my log house the same way only i used a nine n ford tractor with along cable clean over to other side of house works great I also used a turfer jack to shift them endways if need be
Heck yeah Robert !! That's the way to do it man !! Love it. Thanks for the cool comment and thanks for watching too.
To use the larger trailer winch, just put a pully on a chain, down towards the middle or rear of the trailer.
I wasn't prepared with this being the first time I got to see the job...but the next time I came prepared. I think this is the following video: ua-cam.com/video/vx6a6a0OJmo/v-deo.html. This time I had enough snatch blocks with me. I have several videos using this technique...one being a fair sized oak just a few weeks ago: ua-cam.com/video/3rN0dAbkF2w/v-deo.html. Thanks for the added input KC. I appreciate you guys watching and commenting.
Good job man,
I wasn't prepared the way I should have been. I didn't get the chance to come look over the job before we got started. But the next few loads we were prepared much better. Here's the loading/unloading video of the next load: ua-cam.com/video/vx6a6a0OJmo/v-deo.html. Thanks for watching.
Tell us about your ramps. I really didn’t see them sagging. What gauge metal? Length? How are they hooking on to your rub rail?
Those are 8" structural steel channel iron, seven feet long with 2 1/2' x 2 1/2'' angle iron welded across the ends to hook the sides or the backs of the different trailers. The ends are cut at an angle to not damage tires. I did actually bend one of them on an unloading video a little after this one here. But one of the large logs dropped pretty hard onto the one rearward of the trailer. I haven't taken the time to straighten it yet. It took me 20 years to bend one though and it took abuse to do it. LOL
When making a cut at the bottom of a log resting on the ground, i swap for a shorter bar saw; less teeth to sharpen if it gets rocked!
Oh heck yeah....that's one of the reasons why I take multiple saws along. I usually have anywhere from an 18" to a 42" with me. This time I only had the 30" for the 660 and a 24" on the 440 and 20" on the 039. I HATE it when I hit a rock !! Or worse nails of other spikes imbedded a few inches in.
That is a nice amout of wood. Quite a bit of a challenge and workout.
Supper sure tasted good that day !! Kinda hungry after that. LOL
An old 440 or 350 JD loader model would be a good thing if you regularly dealed with logs that big.
Small enough to move with a pickup, but big enough to move those logs one at a time.
Anything with rubber tires would need to be massive to handle logs that heavy.
The method for raping the cable around the log is called par buckling.
It's like adding a block dubbing back, for more pull, or that's how it was explained to me.
@@BGWenterprises Par buckling.... that's a new term to me, but I understand how it works as a snatch block. Just never looked at it that way. Thanks for the new wrinkle in my brain.
I have a little Massey Ferguson 2244 that's on the order of the 350/450 JD. The bad thing is the hydraulic clutches are out right now, and the turbo 65 hp Ford New Holland is down with the injection pump problem. I don't think either of the back hoes will move these either.
Man if that lets go you will get your jumping jacks out of the way well you're at it 😆 Will be impressive to see that milled up!
Yeah, I stayed in the middle one 'assist' too many. LOL. A fellow has to be alert, no doubt. The higher it goes up the ramps the greater the speed at the bottom of the ramp if it gives way. Hopefully both of these will fit the 28'' Frontier mill. But the big one, if I get it, will take a lot of whittling to get it down to size.
@@tractorman4461 lol, For you it would never give way, for me it would right away and roll me like a pizza dough. By the way I fixed the 300U ignition by taking it right apart and putting grease and points and a new button. The old button did not fit the shaft properly. I will save my electronic ignition for when it breaks down again in one month or ten years. Best -PK.
@@___PK__ Hahahaha....roll ya like pizza dough...LOL Great news on the 300U !! Yes, save the electronic ignition when its really needed. You may get lucky and not need it at all !!
Lots of work, take care
Yes, it's too bad there wasn't more access. Gotta do what ya gotta do, you know.
We loaded logs like that when I was a kid. laid skid poles on one side of trailer and pulled them on opposite with a farmall tractor.
That's coo Rogerl, I know there's a lot of us that learned this from the much older generation. Back then we had no other option.
Wow Wendell! Those are HUGE logs! You’ve proven you could build the pyramids if you wanted to. Very impressive!
Hahahaha...that's a good one Martin !! LOL During my career I had the opportunity to move a LOT of large pieces of equipment in and out of buildings as well as up and down stairs with mechanical means. In the description I lay out a little more of the foundation of learning this technique of log loading too. Thank you my friend for the cool, cool comment.
Great video. Thank you. How did you secure the other end of the straps you used to roll the logs onto the trailer with? Thanks again
There are a pair of chains that hook to the far side of the trailer, then are hooked to the 20' chokers that form the 'V' that go under the logs. It varies from time to time depending on where they job is and how big the logs are. The logs are rolled onto the deck to sit on a pair of either 6x6's or 4x4's to aid rolling over knots on the log without breaking holes in the deck. A 5,000 pound log puts a LOT of weight on a knot. Thanks Tim for the questions. I hope it helps you.
@@tractorman4461 yes, very much. I was wondering about the 6x6s, too. Have a great holiday
@@timbarry5080 We loaded so much by hand years ago and found quickly how hard it is to roll over a knot on a flatbed. So much easier rolling a knotty log across 2) 4x4's..
Put a small ckock near the center, roll the log onto it, then it can be turned on the pivot easily in any direction.
Yessir. Good tip. I do that all the time on smaller logs. This one was just a bit large. The ground was soft enough that it just punched a small piece right into the ground !!
Good video!
Thank you John. Every video that doesn't spill blood or break a bone is a success !! (-:
Love those Stihls
Me too Bruce. They ROCK the woods !!
Always so easy to get hurt bucking logs or firewood. I've pulled alot of firewood logs out of the woods with a Farmall H and have to watch that the log follows the tractor and not turning into another tree along the drag path.AL B.
Yessir Al, you better believe it my friend !! You gotta be on your toes all the time in the woods OR the back yard.
absurd to work such big tree trunks, maybe I'm not used to seeing such big trees haha greetings from italy✌️
You know, I just never really thought about areas or countries that might not have trees like this. The big one here was 46'' at the butt cut. Thank you very much for stopping by for a visit and especially for leaving a comment.
When I was a kid, when old men talked, kids listened. Not so much today.
Yes, you are right about that. I'm really proud though of how good my son and son in law both jump in there and help out the old man !!
Nice job there Sir, I got a question though, what are your ramps you are using made out of???
That's 8'' structural steel channel iron salvaged off a jobsite Eric. It was going into the scrap hopper until I rescued it along with 6 or 7 other 20' lengths.
Heft logs there Wendell! What type of wood are these?
I'm looking forward now to see how many boards you can get with these logs running through that Sawmill of yours.
They are red oak Reg. A little bit of material there isn't there. I just got to get the boards out of there with the little bandsaw and onto the stacking strips !! Man, it is green and heavy.
@@tractorman4461 Yes they're heavy for sure, even before you mentioned that winch loading up, I heard it under stress.
It is amazing too, just how much of that weight is just water, isn't it?
@@regsparkes6507 Yes, it is amazing how much a green log contains. The little winch actually tripped the overload several times before I gave the little 'assist'.
Gee Wllickers Wendell, do you remember when the sawmills were steam driven?
I think that I'm going to start calling "Mr. Safety" and I remember my Dad saying "Do as I say not as I do"
Another great video. I love how you managed those huge logs around almost as if they were nothing at all. How much weight do you figure you had on the trailer?
If they don't fit in the sawmill how will you make them fit?
Rick, the long one (11') would hit roughly 5,000 pounds and the shorter 9' one would hit roughly 4,500. It was larger in diameter. So I was running around 10,000 pounds for the wood load plus equipment. I'll have to slab two sides 90* of each other with a chain saw and a ripping chain to center up the logs grain and bring it within the limits of my little mill. I have two 7,000 pound axles under the home made trailer, both with electric brakes.
I have been climbing , cutting and moving logs that size for 3 months and cutting on saw mill for a barn. I'm 62 people are shocked to see me at the top of a big tree removing limbs with wife on rope
Keep up the good work. There's almost no activity that compares to doing these things for the satisfaction of knowing we can. It doesn't hurt that the product, whether its lumber or heating wood, is also beneficial to us and our families. I'm 73 and still hitting the woods at every opportunity.
Where did you get your 'dog' at?
That's one my dad used as a kid back in the teens and 20's loading logs with a team of horses. Its seen lots of use !!
It's surprising how big a log can be parbucked with just man power!
This was the first time I'd been to this job, so preparations weren't the best. But when we came back for the next loads we DID have the stuff necessary to load much safer and easier. I load a lot of stuff like this. Sometimes with the winch and others with a truck or tractor doing the rolling when we have the space. Here's the most recent. I made a mistake or two on this one as well. But it loaded and unloaded ok anyway : ua-cam.com/video/s39fI5rRMqA/v-deo.html
Note to Millennials , Check out the arms on that Ol' Guy ! Hard work makes them big like that !!
Hahahahahaha....I got nothin'....LOL Except you get the gold star for the day's best comment !!
Nice job, pretty healthy tree, believe was reason to cut
Well, it was a neighbors garage roof and chain link fence issue. One of the larger branches broke out and crashed into the roof and crunched the fence next door. So it had to come down. Another one is rotting from the bottom up about the first three feet. So it appears healthy from the outside, but it was dying from the inside out and as big as it is was creating a future liability as well.
@@tractorman4461 You will have nice slabs from this logs
@@zygmuntkuzminski8312 boy o boy, I certainly hope so !! If not, it'll make some good firewood.
cool
Well, I'm betting it's something you don't see every day !! LOL. Thanks for watching today.
Great job. Billy Ray would be Proud. Craig Pa
Hahahaha....boy, he's a character ain't he !! I really like that guy. Thanks Craig for the chuckle this evening.
A friend has just recovered from a broken leg, after a log came back on him. Certainly have to be aware of your surroundings.
Yeah, either one of these would've given me a REAL bad day for sure....if the cable broke anyway. LOL Sorry about your buddy, hope he gets back in the woods soon !! Tell him to watch this video....just kidding. (-:
you deserve coffee a piece of pie after that nice job
Well Jeffrey, I DID have the coffee....but drew up short on the pie !! )-;
Wow, there a lot of physics going on. It appears you did very minimal damage to the yard. Reflexes might be a hair slower but you are a strong.
Hahahahaha....I don't heal up quite as quick any more either. That's why I try to keep the injuries to a minimum !! But then I DO have a buddy that owns a funeral home....just sayin'....LOL What damage IS in the yard was from the huge branches gouging into the terra firma on the fall.
So awesome, what a honey hole!!! Lol
Sure was nice to have it all cut and laying there too. Ripe for the picking Tom !!
"NICE EARMUFFS"
Yeah, that my brother in law with the good muffs. He's already lost a lot of hearing riding street bikes with no ear plugs. I had standard green earplugs jammed in.
That method of loading is called parbuckling.
You are the second viewer to turn me on to that term. I've not really heard of it before. Thanks for reminding me of it once again. I'll try to commit that to memory and use it sometime in a video.
I SURE HOPE 👍 THE ONE RUNNING THE SAW IS. WEARING EAR PROTECTION 👂!
Heck yeah I am. I wear foam ear plugs anytime a saw is up and running. Btw, Dwight was my FIL's name.
👌👍👍👍
Thanks for watching and if you want to see better loading techniques on the same job and have the time check this one out: ua-cam.com/video/vx6a6a0OJmo/v-deo.html or the same technique on a different job: ua-cam.com/video/3rN0dAbkF2w/v-deo.html
This dude oozes patriarch energy.
Well now, thank you for the awesome comment. I do like working with the boys when a challenge comes along. I wasn't too well prepared for this load, but the rest of the large logs loaded a LOT easier with a little creative rigging...4 snatch blocks and the 12,000 lb Badlands on the front of the trailer did the trick: ua-cam.com/video/vx6a6a0OJmo/v-deo.html. Thanks again for watching. Your time is appreciated !!
No ear protection
My brother in law is the one that was wearing the big ear muffs and I had standard green ear plugs jammed in.
It's called snigging.
That's a new one on me. The old man never had a name for it. Its just the way we loaded logs for the sawmill with a tractor. He always used a team of horses back in the 19-teens before there were tractors on the farm. Another guy told me it was called parbuckling.
Those are bigguns for sure!
A little bigger than what I usually have the opportunity to deal with. But I like 'em anyway.
Pukne sajla,,,,i usrecis obitelj,,,svojim zivotnim osiguranjem, jbt.
Да, да то је истина. Кабл је, међутим, оцењен на 20.400 лбс (9.200 кг). То је око 5 пута више од тежине трупца. Хвала вам што сте данас посетили.
@@tractorman4461 Sve naj bolje u zivotu vam zelim,,,,volim da vidim kako posao napreduje, kao i vredne domisljate ljude,,,haug.
@@OpremDobro-i6o Па, хвала вам на веома љубазном одговору. И теби желим само најбоље. Треба нам више љубазности подељене међу свима. Управо смо пре два дана довукли још 4 товара трупаца у радњу. Али није ни приближно тако велика као ова.
@@tractorman4461 Na ovom videu,,,hrast je prva liga,,, bravo,,,, dobro je da gogle prevod kod vas radi fantasticno,,,,, ja ga nemam na ovom mediju.pozdrav.
Ok, nice job, but that was painful to watch you standing in front of the steam train of a log, when that cheapy wench would break. The gears on the wench were the weak link and so you were lucky to still be here. In reality, you were not doing much rolling the logs up the incline. A smarter person would just watched from a safe distance. When I was a boy 70 years ago, I saw the near side main beam of the wagon break in to and the log cam back off the wagon. Please keep that in mind. Thanks.
Oh yeah, there's a bit of a chance taken there Charlie...but I was fully aware that that particular momentary stance wasn't the best of choices. Now one thing I didn't think of was what you describe with the potential of a swing back action from one end. Good point, I've not seen that happen but I WILL keep that in mind for sure in the future.