I Think I BROKE Him!! | Polyphemus/Survive - Epic: The Musical | Reaction/Analysis ft
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Priming for the Pain: (0:00)
Polyphemus - Reaction/Analysis: (5:42)
Survive - Reaction/Analysis: (18:24)
Reminiscing: (37:57)
A message about the facial hair: media.giphy.com/media/8hYQ4XaKHVUcpx4tnD/giphy.gif
We’ll be back to business as usual next week 😆
I dunno' man; I think it's kinda' working! That said, I'm always a fan of facial hair, so there's some bias there.
I think the facial hair works for you.
@@Macabrellian agreed
oh, i really think it looks good on you!
Gold intro
Mortius:*laughing maniacally*
Casper:*having a mental breakdown*
The two are not exclusive 😂😂 Mortius is just further along the process
Yes he was like what
I guess you could say “ruthlessness is Mircsy” 😎
Eyyyyyyyyy😉👉👉
Not us making jokes while someone else is crying 😭😂
@@crystalkatsuka this is how we cope-
@@IvanIsYda_ ik ik.. 🥹🖐️
THIS IS LITERALLY ALL I CAN THINK ABOUT WHEN I HEAR RUTHLESSNESS
He did in fact, not Survive this song.
He had ONE job
STOP 😭✋
nO
After finally watching the video, I was right! Yippee!
How is it that we are so eager to see someone else experience the same pain we did... It's a very strange feeling of belonging from sharing trauma generated by Jorge XD
The best trauma, the only good trauma.
trauma bonding is the best bonding
If we have to suffer let's at least do it together XDD
There’s a reason “misery loves company” is a saying.
Misery loves company
"Whats Jorge's twitter?"
😂😂😂 Now you know he's mad!
Wait i missed that one, when is it?!😂
39:40 @@Fruity_one
"jorge. jorge. JORGE. JORGE WHEN I FIND YOU JORGE--"
16:44 - Yeah, Polites, like everyone else, went through and survived the Trojan war, so he is very capable of killing. He's just sick of it I think.
15 minutes later - 🥞
I think it's very understandable. The war is over, he thinks from now he'll get to go home and experience an era of peace, he can finally stop and appreciate the world for what it is.
But little did he know, they were crossing the sea of monsters, and everyone who lives here has the "kill or be killed" mentality. Polites was doomed from the start.
Literally kill or be killed (you have no chance against a cyclops tho)
My theory is that he got killed by the cyclops because he tried to get close enough to reason with him, and that’s why he was thinking about open arms when he died
@@PromethealBeethat’s horrible lmao
captain :(
He be doing the Captain Levi spin
The first time I listened to Survive it was strictly audio and I didn't realize the first "captain..." was our sweet boy. So for the rest of the Cyclops saga I kept waiting for Polites to say something and I felt so much dread. so I watched this very animatic and it ruined my life 😭😭😭 devastated for you both but looking forward to the reaction!
oof. same here
Dude same
OMG SAME 😭💔
I was confused too! Up until the Ocean Saga when that got cleared up
yes same here i didnt notice it was polities and was confused when they said “everything changed since polities” and wondered when did he die?
In Jay's recap of the recap, he explained all the different jokes in the recap (because meta humor) and explained "the obligatory mention of Polites' death" as being "because I like pancakes". 🤣
That's some first class dark Humor... Love it 😂😂😂
Noooo 😂😂😂😂
I was wondering where that was from
Every time someone mentions Polites, I immediately follow it with, “oh yeah, I love pancakes!” because I’m a cruel human being.
@@danieldavid3766 I'd just softly say "Mmmm pancakes." 😂
"A mission, to kill someone's son. A foe who won't run, unlike anyone you have faced before"
Not only is sung to the same notes and rhythm to Survive, but kinda describes Polyphemus as well as the infant.
This is where I deliver a "fun" fact (actually depressing) and state that Polities last word before he died was the exact same as his first word in the show
"Captain"
why would you say this
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
what the FUCK bro what is Jorge's problem 😭
“What is Jorge's Twitter?” There goes the sixth stage of grief! Revenge!!
Mort first going "oh wow can you imagine he died haha thatd be so sad luckily he's still standing" and then revealing he showed him my light before this?
Villain.
using odysseus's 'what 🤨?' from gigi's puppeteer to censor casper is so funny for no reason lmaoooo
THANK YOU 😆
Polyphemus couldn't have passed out sooner, he had to hit his verse, traumatize Odysseus, then pass out.
Like father, like son, they just had to be dramatic
The whole segment with Polyphemos relies on an ancient greek law; the law of xenia, or hospitality. This law was so important that it was overseen by Zeus himself - as in, those who violated it would be punished by Zeus and basically boiled down to "dont hurt, maim, or kill your guests so help me" and would in part be 'signed' by sharing a meal between host and guest; eat the food, you've entered the contract, and now xenia protects you both.
Now, my only source for what I'm about to say is a translation of the Odyssey I read so I can't vouch for the accuracy, but according to xenia, those who requested your hospitality were to be lodged and fed for three days before the host could ask them their name or business. Strike one against Polyphemos, who asks this question right out the gate.
Then there's the concept of guest gifts - as part of hospitality being exchanged, host and guest would exchange gifts upon their meeting, usually something valuable. Strike two against Polyphemos, who decides his guest gift to Odysseus will be eating him last which. Is not a guest gift due to the very spirit of xenia. Obviously.
(Side note; this is also the crux of the Underworld, where if you eat the food, you're Hades's guest - which means you never leave)
Anyway while us modern folk would think Polyphemos justified in demanding who tf is up in his house killing his animals and threatening violence, by ancient greek standards this made him a thug, and notably a bad host deserving of some eye-poking.
(Oops this got long- But I felt context adds another layer to the song so here it is uwu)
(Also, in the translation I read, Poseidon visits Polyphemos after the ordeal while Odysseus is on the raft sailing away from [spoilers] and once he learns what a terrbile host his son was he essentially drops his grudge which is. Fair, I guess. If a bit late lmao)
That could have explained Zues's motif in the battle.
But how would Poseidon know what Odysseus did without talking to his son first? Wouldn't that have prevented everything?
@@LoreCatan That's because Polyphemus prayed to Poseidon and told him what happened. Poseidon is a god and can hear prayers in his name. At least that's how the story goes. After Polyphemus prayed to and sobbed to his father, Poseidon went off to kill the man who mutilated his son. He didn't stop to wonder if Polyphemus deserved it. Which is fair. Poseidon was a beyon pissed father who wanted to seek vengance for his son.
@@LoreCatan Polyphemus: Dad this guy came to my house and hurt me.
*time passes*
Poseidon: YOU DID WHAT TO YOUR GUESTS!
@@alexandralugo1743 Oh man, I'm not familiar with the Odyssey at all so I had no idea. That's kinda fucked up, I wonder if that'll play a role in Epic or if it doesn't matter lol.
"Can you imaaaagine?? That'd be crazy!"
> not ten seconds later in the song
Wait.
With Polites giving Odysseus a hand, Im staring at that frame more and Odysseus is on the ground kneeling holding onto 2 bloody swords.
His hands are full.
To grab polites's hand he would need to drop a sword.
Why would you say this
@@officialmortius we love to suffer 😊
Ow
@officialmortius also in that frame Polites's eyes are hidden by the glow of his glasses.
They are not seeing eye to eye.
(Ironically he was seeing eye to eye with Polyphemus)
But he DOES take his hand next frame(which means he dropped a sword). And in act3-music2(ody singing part of open arms) and act3-music3(everything changed since polites), we can see Polites's effect on Ody
You absolute madman omg this is genius
23:04 I feel like he's thinking "Those Lotus Eaters knew about this guy, didn't they? Lying little jerks."
Well. They didn’t lie. One tried to warn them. But he didn’t hear it
I feel like the "I'm so glad we see eye to eye." comment really didn't help Odysseus's attempt to get out of this situation with no bloodshed.
Let's not forget that they'd already killed The Favorite Sheep. There had already been bloodshed. The basically rolled up to this man's house, shot his dog, and said "Hey we can settle this peacefully, I got a sixpack in my backseat, you can have one and no violence needs to happen"
@@LyrictheFilthyCasual I mean, they didn't know the sheep belonged to anyone or that the cave was inhabited. Odysseus unintentionally (or intentionally, Idk) made an eye joke to a cyclops's face. 😂
Neither of these men are prepared for the Underworld Saga
Fun fact, so rub salt in the wound: this was alllll Jorge. In the odyssey, Polites survives long after the Polyphemus :D another fun fact about the odyssey and polites: while polites is an extremely minor character, he is referred to as Odysseus’ best friend
I once read on insta a comment that said something like "If someone came into my house, killed my dog to EAT IT and then try to apologize by giving me a soda, I'll be pretty pissed too" so yeah, not cool Odysseus, you killed his pet so that's what u get 🤷🏻♀️
Okay but Mortius dramatically lipsyncing during Polyphemus is *such* a mood and totally me when I'm introducing my friends to new music/covers 😂
"what is Jorge's twitter" had me dying!!! 😂😂😂😂
The pancake saga 🥰🥞
Uncalled for 😂
Nooooo 😂😂
hOW DARE YOU
Lol the same thing could be true for Just A Man 🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️
stop 😭😭
He is NOT ready for this song. 😭😭😭
32:09 the smile drop omg😭😭
I KNOW 😭😭😭😭😭
The fact that Jorge memes the Polities trauma is kinda low key funny and heartbreaking
Him having the exact same face as Odysseus after seeing polites die is flawlessly tragic
THIS
I don't think he's ready for Remember Them and My Goodbye.
The underworld saga is gonna completely obliterate them
@@Crystal-lz6bm oh no. Wait until the end of the Ocean Saga. Bro is gonna LOSE IT when he meets YOU-KNOW-WHO!!!!!
The way his smile instantly fades when Polites dies 🥲
"My favorite sheep." Odysseus will eventually get a taste of that medicine (somewhat) when he returns to Ithaca. Jay said that Odysseus's dog Argos isn't directly mentioned in the music, but he wants the dog to appear once in one of Telemachus's songs.
"and then I NEVER want to see that dog again"
@@beanfroggie9890😊
What did the dog ever do to Jay😭
@@IvanIsYda_I mean to be fair if we ever saw the dog after that it would be to see him die. So we're lucky we don't get to see that.
@@voidfloof …okay thinking about it that way, yea you’re right
36:11 MORTIUS YOU... YOU... HOW COULD YOU
I saw another animatic that Polites died because Polyphemus was going to kill a lotus eater. He died protecting that lil' baby. Though I forgot whose animatic it was, I remember how heartbroken I was since it was also *the* animation that made it clear to me that Polites was the one who died first since I only listened to the audio.
Casper was so done and broken lmao "What's Jorge's twitter?" Just took me looooool running to his channel to see the rest this is AMAZING! Mortius you bad bad person you enjoyed every second of thus and you know it lol
"A Trade you see? Take from you like you took from me!"
God I love that we all have the same reaction. The immediate. “No no no, there’s no way it’s too soon” trying to find anyway for him to not be gone followed by just IMMEDIATE devastation
Im sure mortius already knows, but I recently put together that Polyphemus and Poseidon has musical similarities in that they both have their names chanted in their introduction.
That's something Jorge has mentioned the reasoning for if I saw correctly. He was inspired by iirc the music in the Kingdom Hearts game series, where the boss battles had epic music. So he decided to have the "Boss" battles Odysseus faces have the "Boss's" name said in the background to make it just that more epic and memorable.
The fact that Poseidon has his name being chant in the danger motif is pretty cool. I don't know about Polyphemus tho.
@@adamharith782 you can hear it at the start of survive, slow, dark and ominous .• ~PoOo- lyy- phEee- muuus!~•
@@adamharith782 they're both chanted in the danger motif
When he suddenly said "What's Jorge's Twitter?" Got me so bad 😆 you know he is not happy on this one 😭☝🏻
The way Survive frames it the cyclops sees Oddy be lifted up by Polites, the zoom in and then shortly after he becomes the first death. I wonder if the animatic is framing it as the cyclops notices they have a stronger bond then most and goes after Polites with the intent of cause as much harm as possible to the man who in his eye wronged him more than any other.
He *did* say that he was going to take from Odysseus what Odysseus took from him. Polites is his favorite. So it makes sense for that moment to mark him as the one that would hurt the most to lose. 💔
When the cyclops said “you shall be the final man to die” and Casper’s smile dropped
39:30
Going through depression rather…
*casper thinking really hard*
WHATS JORGE’S TWEETER?!
I LOVE CASPER SO MYCH OMG!!!
36:10 you really start your villain saga with that last word you just said now. We know he does not know you are a villain (continue to be this way 🙏 )
HIM STARING AT THE CAMERA IN THE END LMAO
fun fact: Polites didn't even die in the fight with Polyphemus in the odyssey.
He died later, in what is saga 6 of EPIC
32:12 That face drop and smile of glee is hilarious
I'm placing this comment on Casper's video too, but a little Greek insight to Remember Them.
In Greek belief, for someone to pass over the River Styx and make it to the Underworld, they have to pay the Ferryman, Charon. That payment is typically buried with their body.
There wasn't time to bury the fallen men. Odysseus knew his men and Polites would have no afterlife. He knew there was nothing he could do, except.. Remember Them.
Oh, damn
there is a saying that the biggest heroes are also the biggest villians. it just depends on from what perspective you look at them.
heroes sometimes have a higher kill count than the villain of the story.
Oh also if you noticed!
Before Polites gets struck down, he is facing away from the cyclops(he turns around just before getting flattened).
He dies partially because of his refusal to participate.
39:34 well..welcome to the Epic saga :"DD
Mr jalapeño really puts a kick in his songs😭
8:39 one thing I haven’t heard anyone mention is that, in the context of raising animals, “favorite” means some combination of “this is the best one I have” and “this is the one I breed the most from” and “this is the First one I ever got” AND “this is my pet”.
Basically, Odysseus and crew killed Polyphemus’ Starter Pokemon. Just to make the Cyclopses response make more sense emotionally. That was something it took me about fifty listens to realize myself.
Man this musical is good.
Actually Polites is mentioned only twice in the Odyssey, once when Odysseus is recounting his companions and dubs him as "his closest friend" and the other when they're exploring Circe's island. That's it. That's his character. All the rest is Jay's thing.
The verses in survive have the same tune as zeus in the horse and the infant, which is cool since zeus was the one giving instructions before but now Odysseus is in the same tune
36:10
YOU
YOUUUUUUUUUU
YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID
RIGHT THERE
I've seen mircsy's animatic several times, but I never noticed until now that Polites actively throws down his sword. 😭
The video picture and title leads me to believe CFR is as emotionally devastated as I think you might have been the first time watching Survive /lh
Your uploads give me so much genuine happiness it’s crazy. I love your absolutely evil laughter. The way his face just dropped at the word ‘Die’ in Survive, you could *feel* the ‘oh shit’ going through his mind.
I’m so sorry you had to go through this, but it’s a rite of passage. So now, Welcome to the Tauma Train driven by Mr. Jalapeño.
32:08 Why is it so funny to see other people so traumatized? Seriously, I think I need help! I started giggling at 33:22!
I believe the red eyes are symbolic to their willingness to kill. The cyclops started with red eyes, odysseus was first of the crew and he riled up the crew. Polites was the only one without the red eyes, instead white for peace.
Oh this is going to hit hard…
(Especially for our sunshine boy)
OMG Gigi is going to upload her Monster animation!! must have it in your reaction of the underworld said he was going to connect it with his animation of The Horse and the Infant!
By the way, I'm loving these new collaborative reactions. It's great to see you being able to contribute new information now that you're involved in the fandom and Casper's reactions are so genuine and destroyed haha
Random thought 25:19
Maybe it was choice made because Zeus is also the God of hospitality, since they entered the Cyclops home.
Mortius you did Casper so dirty.. that was so cruel. I couldn't stop cackling.... then you had the audacity to call back Ruthlessness though he doesn't know it yet....
Even knowing it had to be coming from the first few lines he has due to general genre awareness, that first named character casualty hits like a ton of bricks. It just goes to show what an incredible job the music and the art do together to pull you into these people's stories and make you care about them even if you know it's gonna sting.
side note: As someone with a background in raising herd animals(never had sheep myself but I had friends and neighbors who did, while I grew up around my mother's horses, and my brother and I raised goats, which are kind of similar to sheep but more independent and sassy) you really do reach a point, very quickly, where they are individuals to you and also your babies, and you will fight any and all threats to their safety, up to and including god, with your teeth and fists if that's all that's handy.
So while I don't agree with his methods, I 100% understand where Polyphemus is coming from in this saga, and it's not so much cyclops behavior as it is average farmer/shepherd behavior. That's just how it is. You defend your flock or herd to the best of your ability, because they need you and they trust you. To be fair, at this point, that's what Odysseus is doing, too.
32:07 the way his smile immediately fades once he realizes what happened is so funny
OH. He is not ready
Canonically, Polities believes in Open Arms until the very end,,, (spoilers ahead)
It was confirmed in the underworld saga when Odysseus met Polities there. What the ghosts were singing represented their last thoughts (which is confirmed by Jay), and Polities sings Open Arms
OH NOOOOOO
You are eeeeeeeeeeeevil, Mortius! Evil I say! xD that poor man (hehehehe)
Bro not putting Polities final moments as the Thumbnail :'D
By ancient Greek standards Polyphemus's violations were even more egregious, with him in the wrong and violating xenia from the beginning.
But by modern standards he was still in the wrong after he accepted the wine.
Odysseus stated the terms for him receiving the wine were them leaving alive. By drinking the wine he accepted those terms, only to immediately change them and decide he was going to kill all of them.
That makes him a thief as well as a murderer, using the personal injury he received as justification.
To remain sympathetic and on the right side of things morally he would have had to decline the wine and refuse the terms, citing the fact they weren't enough compensation.
I love that they are doing this together ❤️ it’s always better to suffer with a friend
Welcome to the genre of Tragedy, where the good die early and the heroes lose to themselves.
The fact we all took a moment of silence for Polites
I went back to look for the horns on his shadow you mentioned in "Polyphemus", and for those who didn't see it at first like I didn't, 16:16 is where it's at.
Like I said, the entirety of Epic is trying to deal with the trauma from the Cyclops Saga.
I don't think Odysseus is doing a good job at that
Are we bad people for looking forward to his reaction to Polites dying? Love these videos
The beauty of wanting to not suffer alone :D
He’ll definitely won’t survive this
5:30 i've never seen your light either and just had to pause and watch it real quick and man🥲 now i'm crying even harder at his death why would they do this to us shshsh i really wish it wasn't cut and was kept in it's such a sweet songg T^T thanks for bringing it to my attention man! I'll have to listen to it moee often😩👌
19:22 I don't think that's it. I think he was insulted by the trade, overhyped wine for his favorite pet, so he decided to punish Odysseus further, echoing his father.
Yeah I think that's where he was coming from too. Interesting to me though, by drinking it without expressing that sentiment, he lost the moral high ground. Drinking it meant he accepted the terms, and then went back on them.
If he had refused the wine then by some modern standards he would have been in the right to take at least Odysseus' life in exchange for the harm done to him, but because he drank that wine he became in the wrong.
@@feistsorcerer2251 @sora9138 had something interesting to say assuming they're right. My interpretation could be completely wrong at least for the actual Odyssey, I might still be right for the musical.
@@somedudewatchintv5297 Yeah they have a really good comment from an Odyssey and Greek history standpoint.
I wonder if Jay has elaborated about that moment wrt Epic in any of his behind the scenes stuff, because I still think your interpretation holds a lot of merit for the tone of things in Epic.
My favourite headcannon is that Polyphemus definitely at least doubletapped Polites.
"I LOVE Polites!" To "Life and existence is pain and suffering."
okay i’m not even five minutes into the video, and i just have to say: showing him “your light” RIGHT before “survive” is SO RUDE and i love it lmao
24:26 I also perceived this as the infant being a (potential) future enemy that is the son of a present enemy and the cyclops being a present enemy who’s the son of a future enemy.
Fun fact about the prowler theme it’s the sound of a baby elephant noise but distorted and that that distortion is distorted and this continues until we get that theme for the prowler
I just realized something. In Polyphemus, Odysseus says "Why would the lotus eaters pass up on all this food" as if there's no possibility that they just prefer Lotus because they've been mind controlled by it.
Oh my God, watching his face go from, "Oh, everything's great", to "Holy shit!" during the very end of the Cyclops song was hilarious!
one thing that kinda broke me when I started watch the fan animations is the parallel scene in mircsy's Warrior of the mind were they are fighting the boar and Odysseus is able to save Polites from the changing boar vs Survive where the scene is setup the same but Odysseus cant save Polites from the cyclop's club
Oh, the difference two days can make. Mortius, you sadist.
zeus's leitmotif can also be heard in ''that is who we're fighting''
which has the same intonations of ''i don't think you're ready''
Personally I absolutely DESPIZE Odysseus because when ever he does something wrong he NEVER tries to fix it in fact I think this is a perfect example of Odysseus screwing both him and his crew over by being too self righteous and emotionally inept to just admit he was wrong and try fixing it. The reason I say this is when Polyphemus shows up his eye whites are white but when he sees what they'd done they turn black meaning he's incredibly upset but when Odysseus tries to bargain with him using the wine they turn an almost gray color meaning while he wasn't completely over it he could've been persuaded into at LEAST leaving the crew alone but instead Odysseus angers him again by saying the eye to eye thing, which Cyclops are EXETREMLY insecure of their one eye, so he'd just made Polyphemus realize that Odysseus didn't respect him and that he didn't care that he'd hurt him. It's why NONE of the gods have at least a little bit of respect for him because he sees himself as just as important as the gods and doesn't try to fix things even when he's aware of the fact that he's wrong. I mean in ruthlessness Poseidon calls out his hypocrisy yet even then when Poseidon gives him a chance to redeem himself by apologizing not ONCE does he actually do it.
This is truly Mortius' villain arc
Showing him "Your Light" before this is RUTHLESS
Poor man.. I already feel bad for him XD
I mean it's especially fucked up considering one of the only times Polities is actually even mentioned in the Odyssey it's something to do with Circe. so he shouldn't even have died here if we were being accurate to the source material (not to say that it isn't amazing storytelling)
Fun fact: In the Odyssey, Polites actually survives the encounter with the Cyclops.
Jorge did this just to hurt you.
The way his smile faded when he saw polities's glasses shattered realizing he died😭
"I hope Polites has a good life" stares in [spoilers] saga. oh he's gonna enjoy that song when you get to it