10 More LAME Prog and Jazz Albums + The Worst Album in History
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Andy is a drummer, producer and educator. He has toured the world with rock legend Robert Plant and played on classic prog albums by Frost and IQ.
As a drum clinician he has played with Terry Bozzio, Kenny Aronoff, Thomas Lang, Marco Minneman and Mike Portnoy.
He also teaches drums privately and at Kidderminster College
Zappa nails Hubbard on Joe's Garage with L Ron Hoover and the church of Appliantology.
'this is the central scroooootiniser....'
Tell me more about this please
This may be blasphemous, but when I heard about Asia (Howe, Wetton, Downs, Palmer), I had such high hopes for a new Prog offering, bought it before I heard any of it. I put it on the turntable, listened to both sides, and picked up the album and threw it across the room. Am I the only one who has this kind of response?
Almost like my response when I bought the GTR album in 1986 and had my high hopes for it shot down when I first played it.
The first Asia album was respectable by comparison.
Exactly. Asia, GTR and UK all aimed low and missed.
Actually, UK were good and did make two good albums in the late '70s IMHO.
UK? The first album is one of the greatest prog albums ever made.
yeah....i looked at the cover and although the songs were short, I thought there would be a drama/red/works vibe....
howe, wetton and palmer....playing 80's pop garbage....'heat of the fuckin' moment'....
there goes YES, CRIMSON and E.L.P.
just started a grapphic error on this video...sorry! Why is it Yes always outstay their welcome.....
That's the only thing you could have said as an explanation to having that "Heaven & Earth" album pasted on for so long.
Good God!
Angry Andy is hilarious Andy.
Your Phil Collins album review, “aimed at a brain-dead housewife market”… can’t stop laughing at this. This is some next level Lester Bangs music criticism stuff! 😂
I do only say this stuff to get a laugh you know
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer
Mission accomplished. Best laugh I’ve had all week. I will never listen to Phil Collins in quite the same way.
Ing after Scientology.. good show
Lester Bangs once called Peter Frampton's music "Heavy Metal for housewives".
The price of "Space Jazz" on Discogs just doubled.
Oh, and Gayle Moran IS on that album as well.
You are so funny. But spot on! You should be on TV. Rick Beato should have you on his channel. But I don't know how he would handle you when you go off. I'm sure it would massively enertaining...
80s Prog put me off Prog until Porcupine Tree arrived. And even then, it was a few albums in. Fripp/Crimson were like single thin line keeping my hope alive. 80s Jazz I cut the line altogether.
Keep up the good work!
PS - I'd love to see your Mom on the channel. As crazy as they make you, enjoy your time with them.
That Chick Corea impression on the phone to L Ron was simultaneously channeling Irish and Scouse as much it was American. Pissing myself 😂😂
Superb !!!
Bought battlefield earth soundtrack to the book . . Great album of utter nonsense.... especially tap dancing horse!!!
I had to look up Space jazz - and Wow is it bad - but hilariously so, it's basically the perfect soundtrack to Scientology and it also reminded me of Ross in friends with his "Sound".
But there is an album by Chick Corea Electric Band called "To the stars" that I just ignored when it was released cause it was inspired by novel by Hubbard - but when I finally listened to it many years after it was released I was blown away - it's one of the best Electric Band albums and the total opposite of the crap that Space jazz is.
Before you got to Scientology and Chick Corea, I was going to send you a message to perhaps to discuss the role or impact different religions have had on jazz and fusion music (or all music) and musicians over time. Full disclosure, I’m a devout agnostic atheist (whatever that means), mid level jazz pianist/composer who loves jazz fusion and still looks to Chick Corea as my unbridled hero and idol. Have heard you and so many describe music in spiritual effect terms…which I’ve probably improperly used that word to describe how I feel when listening to Chick, RTF, Electric Band, Pat Metheny, Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter…Earth Wind and Fire and so on. I’ve defined that incredible sense of eternal pleasure as “spiritual”…again probably the wrong word for a physiological reaction to sound. Anyway, between Christianity, Buddhism, Scientology and other wacky mythical influences…wondered if you would ever take that on. Apologies if you already have previously. BTW…I was raised Episcopalian (Anglican as my Bahamian wife calls it)…if that matters on the religious influence front. Thanks. 😎
Thanks for taking one for the team. Listening to awful music so we don’t have to.
Please keep your mom safe.
You only have one mom.
You and Rick Dior have caused me to fall in love with jazz. Grabbing Istanbul Agop tomorrow to pair with my SQ1 in 20/12/14. Thank you.
Thank you Andy. Absolutely hilarious video! Loved and lived it. You get better and better at this talking about music lark.
Yes...I am finding my stride now....I know the diference between a funnt video and a serious video, and the audience know that difference too. When I checked the video the Yes album graphic was over my face and there to long. But I left it in, My plan for Yes was not actually talk about them at all...So the idea that they are there outstaying their welcome I found quite apt so I left it in. I would not have done that last year
Sounds like a great idea to get your mother on the channel if she's interested. You could maybe ask her about your own musical life from her point of view, for instance. And maybe if you quiz her directly about the things she loves there might be some surprises? Some musical, maybe? Or music from her childhood?
My own mom is getting on in years, too. She was going to be a singer for a while when she was young. Opera at first, I think, but the jobs were all "singing the old songs" at lounges. "Pop jazz". When they were little the people with the ox wagon doing their centenary came through the "drift" (ford) at the "river" of their town (in that area it would've normally been just a dip into a hole in the ground, and back out soon after), and all five of them (at the time - there were more of them later) lined up there and sang for them. And then they demanded money for this.
(Same town, my aunt - mom's little sister - one day decided to tell everyone it was her birthday, because she was in a birthday kind of mood. So someone decided there should be a party and went home for a concertina or something. And then someone else brought a gramophone and some records, and next thing they'd all moved to the local hall and people were arriving in their best clothes, and danced the night away, long after the "birthday girl" had to go home because it was late. I think some people even found a birthday present for her.
That's how it's always been (maybe even more so when there was less click and play music available than now) music, music, music, and life weaves itself into that. (Or maybe it's the other way round.)
Maybe your mom has some stories she hasn't yet told? (That's almost impossible, isn't it? Past a certain age only the best stories remain, and you get to hear them over and over again. I suppose that's how legends came to be long ago. Maybe that's how some of the old songs even came to be. Someone started singing the story they'd heard so many times.)
I love the Sea of Tranquility name drop in this one. Both Andy and Pete Pardo have fantastic channels.
Great video, I'm obviously prime target market audience as a middle aged bloke with a deaf Mother with a button. I spat my tea out at ''in case she falls down a well''. Nobody warns you about the constant Mother/Wells dilemma you have to deal with when you hit your 50s.
❤ your vids. Am hijacking this particular vid/comment page to suggest a new vid topic. Went down the rabbit hole last night watching my wonderful 3 disc Criterion DVD set of, "1967 Monterey Pop Festival". A great three day festival of sixties rock/blues/pop performances. My rabbit hole time came after watching disc 3 "Outtakes" which had 15+ groups including Paul Butterfield Blues Band & Electric Flag. Fantastic sound from those cats! Latched onto Mike Broomfield who blew me away. His guitar career (& playing of course) was amazing. Of course the combination of the great Butterfield w/ Mike was great. Read through Butterfield's history which was great and finally, landed on a surprise that David Sanborn, who I most associate with successful 1980s-on saxophone works (I own 2-3 CDs) started his early career on Butterfield albums! Played w/ Albert King at 14-15, Stevie Wonder & David Bowie! Crazy. Rabbit holes CAN be educational. 👍
This is one of the funniest things I've watched in eons. I remember being so excited when Asia formed as I was a fan of Yes, King Crimson and ELP. When I heard the music I thought, "Great, a Prog version of Foreigner."
The scale of AOR to Prog: Foreigner>Journey>Toto>Asia>King Crimson> Henry Cow
Great video, Andy. I couldn't stop laughing. During part of the video I was in the car, with my kids in the back, driving back from my parents house and the video was on. I'm laughing and the kids are going "what's so funny dad?". Oh, man, so many rubisgh albums like that came out in the 80's. The more pretentious they got, the more ridiculous they were. For a silly video it was an absolute delight.
Loved the story about yer mom. If my mom calls me during the morning which is very unusual, I always answer the phone saying "who died?".
Anyway, it was a great video! Thanks for sharing these stories. After the Chico Hamilton video I also got "The Dealer" and started listening. Brilliant album. Chico is so different. His orchasteral soundtrack "Night Beat" really threw me off. Great stuff.
Thanks for the Jon Benjamin reference - best thing since Portsmouth Sinfonia ! We used to have an alto sax fitted with a really soft plastic reed easy to overblow which anyone was free to 'jam' on while us guitarists would vamp from what I remember on A and D chords and let them wail. Great fun, no experience required.
once my dad was on holiday and suddenly we got all these alarm messages out of Italy every 10 minutes. Scary. So we called his number. He answered and had no idea what we were talking about. Turned out he accidentally touched something on his apple phone that was intended to be a handy function for emergencies. Thank you Steve Jobs.
My parents, 84 and 87, are old enough to have missed all rock. They just recently discovered something they like- Johnny Cash, Kristoferson, and Willie Nelson. They had to ask if that was country music. Now when I visit I must suffer through repeated listenings of that at high volume! It’s Hell! I was happier with Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra (and an occasional Irish tenor).
Glenn Campbell might be cool2😊
Haha, great video. The Asia debut was perfect timing. A legendary video for "Heat of the video" perfect for MTV. The great Steve Howe slashing guitar opening. The album had big stadium sound. It was like a prog lite reimagination of Journey's "Escape" album.
Great Video - very funny - especially your Phil Collins review ! Thumb up ! BUT: Stanley Clarke - Let me know you is great ! I grew up with thie record an it sounds like another Clarke/Duke Project
record for me. Its not fusion or Jazz but disco,funk and pop. And all the disco and funk records from Narada Michael Walden are also great. Do you like British Funk Bands like Shakatak, Light of
the World, Incognito, Level 42, Paul Hardcastle etc. ?
Narada...genius, he understands R+B which is why he could create hit records for Aretha and Whitney. I don't Stanley really does. Geotge Duke did and Herbie did. Not Stanley though. Love Level 42, Shakatak were pretty limp but got better after they stopped having hits. I love Incognito, national treasure
" . . . without the Barry, and loads of White" *chef's kiss*
This is wonderfully insane. The yes album cover is in front of you for about five minutes around 27 mins in.
Had to laugh how that cover just kept hanging around in front of Andy's face
There's an album from jazz saxophonist Eddie Harris that has Chris Squire, Ian Paice, Stevie Winwood and Jeff Beck, which sounds like it should be AMAZING. And it's absolutely horrible. Nothing works at all.
E.H. IN THE UK
I had forgotten that one. Thanks...
:-)
I'm really glad your Mum is OK. Get her on the channel. I'd watch that.
Great vid, as usual, btw.
I think Stanley Clarke redeemed himself with the Soundtrack for Passenger 57. To be sure, it's not School Days, but give it a listen. I think it has some very thoughtful moments
school days is the banana spilt tune
recorded on acid....
Edgar Winter also did an L Ron Hubbard collab.. as hilariously reviewed in Todd in the Shadows'"Trainwrecords" series
Todd is so great and funny!
Todd is hilarious- brilliant. His review of Styx “Kilroy was Here” is totally hilarious.
In 1981 Crimson had Discipline and Rush had Moving Pictures, two classic prog 80s albums. Things went downhill from there, though, even for outsider bands like them. I liked Robert Fripp's observation that in 1985 the MUSIC business became the music BUSINESS. Songs had to be short, punchy, accessible, dominated by a huge artificial-sounding kick and snare (maybe sequenced) with cheesy synths.
What an inspired rant on Space Jazz. I remember listening to it while fairly hammered a few years ago and experiencing a unique blend of hilarity and revulsion for as long as I could stand it. It's astounding that musicians of such brilliance as Stanley Clarke and Chick Corea could combine to produce such rubbish.
Funny about Kiss, you and I ate the same age Andy, one thing I noticed is there were a lot of people like you during that era, they had a Kiss poster or whatever else Gene Simmons could market, but they had never heard a song by them, they were just drawn in by the makeup and the fantasy, because when you heard the music, at least in my case, it was like this is it? The whole bombastic persona never matched the run of the mill roxk music they made. I am not as bad with them as a friend of mine is though, he always says they misspelled their name it should be Piss.
UA-cam algorithm now thinks i want to hear more Space Jiz. Why did i check it out? Thanks Andy!
Thanks to my late older brother I got exposed to the full flower of '70's prog & jazz fusion in real time. Inexplicably, I couldn't "get" the Miles Davis & Return to Forever, but Genesis, Yes, ELP, Focus etc., all made my head explode. I do want to stick up for the '80's, even though many of the "A-list" prog stars were struggling, new bands were emerging, Marillion & IQ most prominently, and carried the torch as our prog "life raft" reassembled.
I can appreciate the instrumental prowess of the jazz/classical guys, but DAMN, I'm squirming in my seat & glancing at my watch after about 5 minutes. A fun quote from my bro (source unknown), "all the self-professed jazz fans don't REALLY like it either." HA untrue I know but it scores directly to explode the elite snobbery of the jazz aficianado, who will throw his drink in my face.
I do agree that self-proclaimed jazz aficionados can be somewhat unnerving. But as with most music audiences, the true aficionados are probably less vocal about their preferences and show more tolerance regarding other genres. After all, this isn't the 1965 Newport Folk Festival...
Trigger's Broom... took me a while, but you're so spot on!
I recently read an article that ranked all of Yes's songs, yet nothing from ABWH was included. In terms of Trigger's Broom, if any of the recent Yes albums can be legitimately be attributed to a band called Yes, then the Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe album must be too. End of.
PS - not seen too many of your vids, but this one did make me laugh a lot!
I think that most of us have forgotten Tony Banks' name from time to time. I sometimes confuse his name with Captain James Cook's botanist Joseph Banks (1743-1820). Or Peter Banks, as you did. Tony Banks was not a conventional Rock and Roll person, so its easy to be confused.
"Well I should have ..." Sounds like Thelonious Monk having a stroke.
Newbie. You're a funny bloke. Spit out my coffee funny. Love it, even though you probably HATE my favourite band. Keep it up, Andy. Opening my eyes back up to music I moved out of (not these albums, but in general).
Yes were influenced heavily by one of my fav band's albums... But still, I can hear the contempt from here if I mentioned their name LOL.
Cheers
Honorable mention: Frank Zappa- “Jazz from Hell”. From Hell indeed.
I like that album Nite School, G Spot Tornado and St Etienne are wonderful
Yeah, there are definitely some worse that JFH!
In May 1984, I found a used copy of Triumvirat's 1973 album, "Illusions On A Double Dimple", for sale in an old box at a pawn shop in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. At 3-for-$1, It was one of the best 33 cents I ever invested in a previously unknown 70s prog band. I loved everything about it and I still do. Since then, however, I have not heard anything else they recorded.
There should be a "Degenerate 80s Prog" playlist for education/cautionary purposes and an event where anyone in possession of one of these vynils or cassettes is invited to come and place these on a huge bonfire.
One parallel trend to the "prog-poppy" albums in the Eighties were the "smooth jazz" albums by the likes of Chuck Mangione, Larry Carlton, Ernie Watts, Lee Ritenour and the lot... Less intense but equally cringey than their prog counterparts. I remember going to a friend's house, this guy was very into ECM kind of jazz, but had just bought some Ernie Watts solo album because he was a big fan of Weather Report I guess. Well, in the cover Ernie was posing in a Hawaiian shirt over a pastel-colored backdrop to begin with. Suspicious! The needle went down and some "smooth-jazzy rhythm" came out of his high-end JBL speakers. We looked at each other. He began trying to justify the sound when... a silky woman voice started singing over Ernie's saxophone! I was cracking up for like an hour. He traded back the album the next day. 😂😂😂
Now I want to listen to these albums on UA-cam. When I watch videos of bad albums, I will listen to them and wonder why the creator dislikes them . Here are two examples
1). “Love Beach” by Emerson, Lake and Palmer and
2). “The Elder” by KISS.
I get called by Aged P HQ at 4 AM if my dad hits his wrist band button. I am always the first person they try. Trouble is, he lives in England and I live in the Netherlands (which they know by my phone number, presumably) so what the fck they think I'm going to do to save them having to call an ambulance, I don't know.
The detailed cat story perfectly illustrated the depth of your interest in late-career Yes.😂
"Till We Have Faces" had its moments that were largely problematic due to ever present disease of over the top gated reverb on nearly every drum, cymbal or percussion instrument or bass guitar. The day that the "de-reverber" plug-in gets created some of these albums may be rescued from their production morass. Steve was a kick ass guitar player who was afraid to kick ass on his 80s records. He had great drummers on his older albums but despite the fact that he had legendary brazilian percussionists on this record, many of those parts were pared away for..... drum machine - one would ask why. Some of the problems with many records are the "dogpiling" using production methods that were a trend at the time in the goal to get a hit record. The current trend is autotune. Anyway. Hilarious video at times. Kudos.
I don't care what you say about ELP nobody can take away the fact that they were the standard of musicianship that other groups were measured by especially in the early 1970s. Keith Emerson and Carl Palmer are both number one on their perspective instruments and Greg Lake is definitely one of the best singers and bass players. I agree love Beach isn't very good outside of one or two songs but that was a contractual thing😮
Oh, I love Phil's version of Can't Stop Loving You - the vocals and the way the drumming develops, and I like his version of True Colors. I will always love Phil because I saw him play on the selling England by the pound tour in 73. He also sang More Fool Me.
Here's one that should have been great but was far from it. "Animal Logic". Stanley Clarke and Stewart Copeland? I'm in! Some girl singer/lyricist? Down the tubes it went.
Total truth here. The first time I listened to Triumvirate I started getting a headache and nausea until I turned it off. I've NEVER had that happen before or since.
I found this rather amusing and smiled a lot. Fortunately, I didn't spend much time in the prog world, but I appreciate the best of the genre. I agree with the Stanley Clarke comments. "School Days" still sounds good with Ray Gomez on guitar and David Sancious on keys...Scientology is indeed extremely bizarre and any derisive comments are fully warranted.
The same thing happened with my mother the other night. We got the call at 1:30 in the morning. Turns out she walked into the wrong bedroom because it was dark, got lost and panicked. When the POLICE broke in, she was fast asleep in her own bed. She forgot to ring the nerve centre to let them know. Anyway - carry on, Andy.
"I was at work one day, with some normal people... "
I saw ELP (California Jam, 400,000 people saw me dance naked) in 1974 and they were disturbingly perfect.
Lucky man!!!
@@jazzpunk 😂😂😂
@@jazzpunk - yes, I am. After that human toadstool and his girlfriend pelted me with garbage for ten minutes I turned to the kid and told him I would knock his head off and they stopped throwing garbage at me and hippies were passing weed and very pure acid, as it should be. I have a magazine photo, three feet away, with a 19-year-old-me having an excellent naked time. The bands were good, as well, like Earth Wind and Fire, again, a bit perfect for my taste. Black Sabbath blew the house down (Ontario - not Canada - Motor Speedway in SoCal) - the Allmans were invited but didn't come. There is film in YT as ABC's In Concert was filming the whole 12-hour-show. So I danced nakey and I ate the acid and I made barnyard sounds as we fans shuffled through the exit tunnel and the whole tunnelful of fans made animal noises. Ask anybody who was there about the barnyard exit tunnel.
@@dennismason3740 Great story!!! I watched ABC's IN CONCERT showing of The California Jam in the day.
Seen much of the footage available on UA-cam...love Rare Earth (did they open the Jam?), Black Oak, Sabbath, Eagles...all of it. Back then, EW&F were new to me. Their performance is killer! ELP...great. I was a huge DP fan...still upset that Gillan/Glover were canned. So this was my first glimpse of the new guys. Coverdale seemed a little nervous(?). Glenn Hughes was just ridiculously good!
@@jazzpunk - your list recovers more memories than mine, and I danced naked in the press (VIP) area because Wendy and I climbed the fence! Ozzie and the rest noticed. I think Seals and Croft (Summer Breeze) opened and Rare Earth was the first full band on stage. DP were fantastic once they got through the first couple of numbers. Highway Star blew the roof off, though there was no roof.
I’m glad to say that I'd never heard of any of these albums until you mentioned them. I should count my ignorance as a blessing, I'm sure. Nonetheless, I greatly appreciate your enthusiasm and your willingness to sacrifice in order to bring this public service warning to us. You crack me up! You and your "catastrophizing mind" (I think you British spell that as "catastrophizing," though).
PS: Chico Hamilton's "The Dealer" is an album that could certainly stand a re-issue. I streamed it the other day after seeing it on your shelf, and I really like it. But it's not available except on the used market at absurdly high prices.
I listened to these so you won't have to! Thanks for liking my channel
Very likely another '70's propeller-head has leapt to the defense of Triumvirat, but their two LP's "Illusions on a Double Dimple" & "Spartacus" are stone-cold MASTERPIECES to my ears, then & now.
Gotta agree, though, about "Russian Roulette," though.
Andy, I love your channel, you're a great guy and maybe one day I'll make it to Kidderminster. But to be serious for a moment, surely you need to listen to Heaven & Earth before damning it as tragic ...
I promise I did put it on, I did...I just fell asleep...but I tried, I really did...
My favourite crap "prog" album is "Bobby and Betty Go to the Moon." The dialogue is really well - recorded, and side 2 is muzack with echo and reverb and beeps.
OMG you have it too? I thought I was the only one with that weird thing! I had it as a kid but hearing it as an adult I thought “who on earth greenlit this?” The music is like acid rock for pre-teens. “The Party at Lunar Central” - who was hired to play that stuff?
@@aliensporebomb it is instrumental versions of pop hits with boops, beeps and reverb. There used to be a site with useful info about this, but it appears to have gone. Shazam may identify the people responsible. I found this going for fifty pence in the crap rack of the local music store in Leeds. I bought two or three and gave them away as joke Christmas pressies for my friends, never thinking that I might actually want a copy of my own. I have since downloaded it and made a couple of mad rock tunes featuring samples, as have many other people.
Ageing Ps and middle age crisis is something that all have to go throu' or will have to go throu' and be able to talk about it without the fear of criticization....they say that everyone of us is unique but at 54 my age i find so many thoughts, things in common with so many that are my age or around my age....so thanks for telling us the recs you hate and i would love to mention the singers that i hate the most...
Barbra Streisand
Nana Mouskouri
and the bloody Gerry from the Pacemakers
Oh i feel much better now....
Came for the music talk, stayed for the comedy
Andy, great video but how could you not mention the dreadly dreadful ELP's "Love Beach " ?
everyone knows that is low hanging fruit, and he already mentioned it in past vids
Well he did mention it when he talked about Triumvirat.
@@jimmycampbell78 Whoops my bad , I was skipping around at first to see what albums he was listing. Has Andy done one on Kiss' " Music from The Elder " ?
When The Proggers chased Asia is reminiscent of when Fusioners added vocals and crap lyrics.
Thanks.
Now I know what to steer from.
As a teenager in the seventies
prog (and jazz) was a window into a new realm
(before punk hit.)
When CDs came out
the cut-out bins for records were a score.
I found a lot of great prog and jazz albums -
especially imports.
And then there were duds...
Tony Banks (cough), a Hackett or two, Love Beach,
I could go on.
I still love the oldies, but, goodies
and will stay away from these as I still collect.
Thanks, again.
Peace on earth.
P.S.
To paraphrase Ronnie Hubbard -
"If you want to make a lot of money create a religion."
I gave this one thumbs up for Andy's enthusiasm, even though I don't really agree. For pity's sake, how many times do I have to say this? Triumvirat are nothing like ELP! *Illusions on a Double Dimple* uses horns, girl background singers, there's a sax solo and the title track is a song about a German working class guy who lost his job. In what multiverse did Emerson Lake and Palmer work that way? (Yes, *Russian Roulette* and *Ala Carte* were terrible albums.) Also, I don't know what Andy's on about with Steve Hackett!!! (Yes, 3 exclamations.) *Till We Have Faces* is a ground breaking album that, along with Ryuichi Sakamoto's music, introduced me to world music. It's so wildly imaginative that it's intoxicating, with Asian themes and Brazilian percussion-- Steve's cutting edge on that LP. It's about as uncommercial as a wax cylinder recording. Perhaps Andy has it confused with *Cured,* which does feature shorter, pop-rock songs and the (then new) Linn Drum Machine.
The keyboard player for Genesis is Tony Banks. It's okay Andy, now you know.
...he didn't say Tony Kaye, right?
I used to do that all the damn tine.
El Rons Space Jazz is so bad it’s comically entertaining
Yes...it is a long way round the circle of badness/goodness
Scientologists, let us know: What is Chick doing?
"I Can't Stop The Rain" by Peter Criss is one of the best tracks on all 4 of the KISS solo albums.
"Hooked On Rock And Roll" is pretty good, too. "Tossin' And Turnin'" is a competent cover.
KISS sales just jumped 17%.
The second you said Kiss, I thought you were going to going to talk about Music from "The Elder". This was their attempt at prog rock. It was the only concept album they have ever made. It's thought of as one of their worst. I don't think they any of the songs on it live.
No Mr Acker Bilk? I guess I’ve finally gotten too old to know what bad is.
Mam would be great. My parents would have been 101 years old this year. I would love to have their perspective on today. Not just music...but life.
Your Peter Criss story Is hilarious! And i love Kiss by the way.
My Mom never pontificated as shrewd as your Mom. My Mom's mom gave the same advice as your Mom. So there' s that.
Your on fire, Dude! On the run....keep keeping on.
I actually like some of those General midi sounds, and just think, in a few years they may start being revered as the new “retro” synth sounds and they’ll be all over! And then people will be debating on which ones sound the most authentic!
The El ron Hubbard album is actually adorable.
The album cover on the shelf keeps making me think you're gonna roast Chico Hamilton next.. Lol.
NEVER!!! A fan of the channel sent me that last week!!!
😂 I said the same thing! Attacking Chico would have been a sacrilege!
Can't really argue with any of the choices here. Wakeman should have been locked up for atrocities against good taste immediately after the aptly prescient 'Criminal Record'. Triumvirat were certainly guilty of being ELP wannabes but their '74 release 'Illusions on a Double Dimple' (a concept album about alcoholism no less) is really good. There is one great track on the Emerson, Berry & Palmer 'to the Power 3' album called 'Desde La Vida' but the remainder is audible roadkill. Kiss were at best cosplay Panto Metal. The comments about the snobbery of Jazz fans in general is right on the nail i.e. old men smelling each other's farts. The only thing that even the best of Stanley Clarke's music is missing is...a bass player who anchors the groove and doesn't solo like an ADHD shredder. God's speed to Chick, Stanley, Tom and John's spaceship.
Which is worse Space Jazz or the fact L Ron got Edgar Winter to do Mission Earth a horrendous 80's album.
Totally agree. But I would also add parts from the earliest Marillion/IQ/Pallas records.
It's like a por man's Genesis, in the total absence of both songwriting ability and soulful playing.
It very often sounds difficult for them to play what they play
Did you know I was in IQ..he he
Haha, ops...But not on the records from the late 80s, right?@@AndyEdwardsDrummer
Late to this one tonight. Halfway through and was laughing at the ‘magician’s music’ reference. Made me instantly think of Tony Le Mesmer lol
However, equally funny from my perspective,( sorry Andy 😉 😂), was your reference to Venom !!
Oh dear 😂
The four solo albums by the members of Kiss came out in 1978. It was certainly a memorable happening in rock history.
memorable for being awful
For a moment I almost didn’t watch your video because I thought you were going to dump on Chico Hamilton! Chico and the Dealer were great and always will be!
"I need some CBT for this" This whole video has me cracking up... BRILLIANT TIRADE!!!
oh oh oh.... Now rank the albums you have played on!!!! That would be really Progdashuous!!!
GTR was one of the Asia ripoffs with Howe (after he left Asia) and Hackett. I remember being excited to hear it and then only liking the two instrumentals. Prog should have sat out the 1980s entirely. Sure, Rush had a few ‘80s albums that were either essential or great but also had some mediocre entries.
all rush 80 albums are awesome tho
There's nowt like a good slagging-off to get the creative juices flowing - very very funny, Andy - good therapy as well: if I ever need a pick-me-up, it's rants like these that do it, so thank you! Cheers, Ian
Stop beating round the bush, Andy - tell us what you really think!
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P. S. I'd LOVE to meet your mum... ❤
Re: Scientologist Stanley Clarke: "I don't want him coming 'round like that." 😂
Now I've got to hear the L Ron Hubbard album.
Very enjoyable video. Before we slag off the prog of the '80s too much, though, we need to reflect a bit on Kate Bush's output through that decade. And as for Triumvirat, I agree with everything you said about them, but "Spartacus" is a really enjoyable pop album (even with the ELP cliches, or maybe because of them) with great melodies, and the singer has such a beautiful voice--sounds like Cat Stevens with a German accent.
YES both "Illusions on a Double Dimple" and "Spartacus" by Triumvirat were/are prog MASTERPIECES to my ears.
Triumvirat singer/bassist Helmut Kollen asphyxiated in his garage after leaving the band, or more likely after getting pushed out by egomaniac keyboardist Jurgen Fritz. "Double Dimple" & "Spatacus" though remain prog landmarks for me personally.
I agree, both records were good.
Lol. And I have a slightly deaf 84 year old mum, and the 2 year old Bowie the Cat. I now have new found respect for my Des O'Connor albums and will no longer use them as cushions for shitty prog and jazz records.
After Six Wives of Henry VIII I pretty much quit listening to Rick Wakeman, I was so disappointed with the King Arthur album!! He’s been incredibly prolific and is a gifted pianist, but I give a listen to a new album and that’s enough, done. I do enjoy listening to bootlegs of his various tour shows, mostly to listen to his stories between tunes. He’s a great raconteur!!
Yes…Heaven & Earth!! 😆😆😆 I’m sorry, even Chris Squire couldn’t help this album! Now Yes is Steve Howe’s Owner of a Lonely Yes Cover Band!!
Space Jazz!! L. Ron Hubbard!! 😆😆😆 OMFG I can’t stop laughing!! Hubbard considered himself the smartest man in the world and the best at everything, started his own religion (“because that’s where the money is”)… he was a narcissist’s narcissist …
King Crimson made the transition into 80 successfully, at least for a time.
My God, thank you for that Jon Benjamin album. That’s a gem!
I saw Emerson, Lake and Palmer with a 70 piece orchestra in the late seventies. It was everything you would expect. Emerson was quite the bombastic showman and there were some majestic moments. But it was not a memorable concert experience. A bit like empty calories...
Absolutely hilarious. You could have been one of the blokes, I grew up with.
And I am an American, I didn't know what the term "bloke" meant until I was 30+.
LOL 😆
Thank you for your wonderful humor! I can't stop laughing... and actually learnt something along the way. I am not sure what I learned, but I feel like I am wiser in a celestial space jazz opera way!!
Props for the Chico Hamilton record in the background!!!
Triumvirat was a great band. So what if they sound like they have a bad case of ELP envy. Marillion and IQ sounded like they had a bad case of Genesis envy. And everywhere you turned was a Prog cliche. But who cared? For that matter, ELP was nothing but Jazz and Classical cliches. If you don't like cliches, you're in the wrong genre.
But, I'm not going to argue with your choice of Russian Roulette, because the album before that one, A La Carte, had like 2 tracks at best with some redeeming qualities. But everything they did before that was pretty darn great.
If you think Time Machine is the worst Rick Wakeman album, you haven't had to sit through his 80 odd releases as I have. I'd put Phantom Power as his worst album. It's the only one I have to throw off the turntable because I can't handle the cringe.
To The Power Of Three is a good 80's Pop Rock album. It's not trying to be a Prog album, as Asia was not trying to be a Prog band. There's other music besides Prog. Get over it.
Till We Have Faces was a bad period for Steve Hackett, can't argue that. But I thought you'd be whipping out the GTR album here, which was pretty bad, even from a Pop Rock perspective.
And btw, Steve didn't leave Genesis because they were getting Poppy. He left because he had more music than they wanted to record. What kind of fan are you that you haven't heard that in a hundred interviews?
The 80's were not like that. A lot of 80's Hackett albums were good. Mike Oldfield put out good albums throughout the decade, The Emerson, Lake & Powell album was killer stuff. Genesis never made an album I didn't like, until Calling All Stations. Yes only put out 2 albums, but they also were great stuff. Andrew Lloyd Webber had his most creative period ever. And there were a plethora of solo artists from various bands putting out good stuff. It wasn't on the charts, but we still got it here in America in the import section.
I'm really sick of the sour grapes about the 80's from Proggers. I was there and never had any shortage of good Prog albums to buy. It's not anyone else's fault if you all just preemptively dismissed the music scene and didn't go looking for the good stuff, or if you were so stuck in the 70's that you couldn't deal with the fact that Progressive Music progresses with the musical influences that are about, as well as new instruments that render old ones out of fashion.
What has Kiss got to do with Prog? They were never part of that scene. And, again, they have to be judged in the context of their genre. It's Pop Rock. And their 70's output rocks. Maybe not in a high quality sense compared to their contemporaries, but they were never "Boring."
Yes, Space Jazz was pretty bad, but I can top it. I would list the worst album ever made as "In Search Of Major Tom" by William Shatner. Trust me, after enduring all three discs of this one you will yearn for the more bearable sound of Space Jazz.
Absolutely hilarious! I love your humour and learn a lot about music I love, but haven't listened to as much as you have.
Just one remark: You don't look straight in the camera. You look a few centimeters to the right, so that we see you looking a little to the left. Perhaps you look at the wrong spot on your screen, where the lens is not. Just think of it! /Regards from Sweden.
This has been dealt with on another video, keep watching and you will find it
Steve Hackett in the 80s is, for me, the two acoustic guitar albums: Momentum and Bay of Kings. Other than them, it's a good idea to skip from Defector to Guitar Noir.