Even as a vegan for nearly 20 years, I say that what you eat is a personal choice…but for goodness sake, enough with the factory farms. They are a tragic mistake and do way more harm than good.
I do keto so lots of meat in my diet - But I have a lot of respect for vegans as it much more challenging diet to do nowadays - and it also demonstrates a solid rejection of the standard american diet (the biggest driver of disease in all of human history) - which keto folks also solidly reject as well. So good luck to you and good health!!
@@praddumnvats6759 I would love to do that someday, and I agree with you. But the mistake India has made is replacing ghee with seed oils. Very bad and you were the folks who invented ghee!!
0:00: 🐶 The story highlights the unique bond between a family and their dog, Tessie, and raises questions about our contradictory relationship with animals. 5:56: 🐷 A researcher became a vegetarian after getting sick from eating meat and then conducted a study on the psychology of eating animals, leading her to investigate the slaughter industry and the thinking of people who work there. 10:04: 😢 Pigs suffer in CO2 stunning plants before being slaughtered, and carnism is a dominant belief system that justifies eating animals. 17:05: 🌍 The transition from hunter-gatherer societies to sedentary farming led to a significant change in diet and population growth. 20:22: 🥩 The history of human evolution and living conditions have influenced our diet, with meat being a prominent part of it. 25:18: 🌱 Eating meat is not a necessity and we can eat healthily without animal products in the global North. 30:11: 🦆 The video discusses the cultural significance of foie gras and raises ethical questions about eating animals.
Finally, they didn't come to an important point, it is commonly assumed that veganism is ethically good for animals but that could be wrong fundamentally. I think it is ethically correct to include animal products in our human life. Different animals have evolved over time to play a different role in our lives like some are pets, and some convert plant feed that is inedible to us into nutritious and delicious food. It may be possible that in future we may do that without the help of animals, just like horses were replaced by cars. However, I think animals should still exist because in case if humans were to be extinct because of a catastrophe (say a virus), then these animals would be like our distant cousins and carry forward the genes. Someday in the distant future, they might once again evolve into intelligent creatures like us, and they might study our human fossils and bring us back to the world :) For this to happen we must keep a huge population of animals on earth. As technology progresses, we may consider ways to make these animals more efficient and environment friendly rather replacing them with non-living industries.
@@PremVijayVelMani - Humanity, despite our hubris and overconfidence in our technofixes, cannot exist without animals. That is, we need a functioning ecosystem and they are part of that, while our agriculture is in varying degrees an obstacle to that. You've expressed an anthropocentric worldview that animals evolved according to humanity's utility. Selective breeding is not evolution, but a grotesque mockery where instincts are ignored and human objectives of fast-growing flesh produce animals that suffer from merely existing, are impregnated by human hand, and are slaughtered in their youth. Even if you find an exquisitely strict consumption pattern that strikes you as ethical, the animals that are produced by animal agriculture are ethically bankrupt, and only sustainable compared to their worst practices. I like your human fossil resurrection theory though. I'm sure that future species that restores us will have questions that neither our brain nor our DNA will be able to answer.
That CO2 method on pigs looks horrific, like many other parts of mass animal production. But at the same time, that dog had breast cancer surgery while humans elsewhere still suffer the most basic needs. In both cases: out of sight, out of mind.
You know why peoples suffering lots of places? Thar is many reasons,but I will mention shortly several. Most important we completely cut our connection from our Mother Nature rules,balance our activities and our planet Resources.Peoples some countries have very low educational level,very religious and having bunch of kids, which ones will become chip Labels for greedy industrial peoples,some all life will depend on international food programs like in Africa and getting those foods in plastic packages after using will pollute Environment,because no Recycling and uneducated. In Mexico and some other sout American country become drug cartels members and kill each other or peoples which ones doesn’t want Apply with their rules.Some people telling we can harvest more craps more animals and fish.But for dying that using more chemicals and more hurtful things for our planet. Only solution for coping life on our planet having les kids and from individual agriculture turn back to agriculture which one doesn’t Destroy our Nurture. But impossible during this,because world controlling selfish materialistic peoples,not Consciously healthy peoples. We peoples Steadily running to our end,unfortunately we Dragging with us wild life to.
Certainly looks a lot better than traditional killing methods, like using a knife and let the pig bleed to death, or hitting him with an iron bar on the head. Other killing methods may be faster, but they will cause issues in the meat.
@@CynicAtheist this is it. BTW, for background, I'm an omnivore, but due to African American rural culture, understand meat comes from living beings. I think very few cultures on Earth have this division the psychologist speaks of, and it is something to fix, whether someone chooses to continue eating meat or not. One definitely would not eat it the same way. There would be much less waste. Part of respect is trying to eat or find a use for everything possible from the "rooter to the tooter". Anyway, yes, I think it is an expense issue. There are a number of much more humane anesthetic options, some that would give a bonus euphoria, but they're not used because they're more expensive, and also once that issue is addressed, the comfort of the beings at the end would become relevant as well. The "one bad day" is a start, but if this is going to continue, we should go for no bad moments at all and just falling asleep on a nice pile of hay. Sometimes I think the cruelty is the point with these mass producers. Meat is already expensive, and not because of costs on the floor, but to increase the payoff to the CEO's and investors. They don't want to take a little off their profits to make life better for their human workers, so the struggle to get them to at least kill animals humanely is even bigger.
The problem is moral ignorance. People can't even give good explanations as to why humans have moral worth. We are never taught it, and we never have to think about it. Why would we expect anyone to be able to reason about other animals' value?
100%. 1000% even. I heard to often: people have "a soul" - but nobody could EVER explain to me what that even means. It's a big word. But just a word it is.
BTW: just to be complete here: it's religion. The source of all evil: delusion and ignorance. That's why people believe they are superior over anything on earth, or in the universe for that matter. Delusion, ignorance, and huge entitlement.
@@SaraMKay People do have souls but we know very little of it. And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little." [17:85] 17:85 Allāh takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that do not die [He takes] during their sleep. Then He keeps those for which He has decreed death and releases the others for a specified term. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought. [39:42]
I stoped eating meat at 4 yrs old. To this day, I recognise this as the best decision of my life. That time, 1969, ppl pressed my mother, who was and is not vegetarian, saying all sorts of bad things like " your son will die for lack o proteins and iron". Well, I did not. Im 1.85 m and 95 kilograms, 58 years old and no complains. ❤
31:59 -“Is it morally right to eat animals.” Previously, the documentary stated “all choices are based upon beliefs”. The question of what is morally right then becomes a question of beliefs.
Only 34% people of India is full-time vegetarian. But they eat animal products such as- ghee, cheese, milk, egg as well. Other 64% people eat both mear & vegetables.
A lot of 'culture' depends on climate. The further away from the equator and the tropics you live the fewer crops you can grow. I grew up in England just after WWll. We had potatoes, onions, carrots, turnips, cabbages. In winter no tomatoes. They need heat. Fruit was seasonal, apples, plums and pears in autumn. An orange was put in our xmas stockings as part of our xmas gifts from Santa. Back in the 1960s or 70s an experimental iron age village was the subject of a documentary. Peopled with modern folk, many of the long hair and sandals type. I later read that the vegetarians among them had either to leave or eat meat as their health was suffering. The restricted variety of fruits and vegetables that could be grown and foraged in the natural conditions in England did not provide the proteins, fats and vitamins available in meat. One lady even ended up in hospital. Just look at the traditional diets of peoples who live in the far north. Lots of meat and fish. So thank your lucky stars you live where the climate allows you to grow an abundance of different fruits and vegetable.
You can just consume fortified foods if swallowing a B12 pill is a problem. Also, a vegetarian doesn't directly eat animals and still doesn't need to supplement. Even if you insist on getting your B12 from meat or fish, you'd only need 100g twice a week to get enough.
@@rrrkkindians criticize other Indians when they eat meat aka non-vegetarian food, why ? Because those Indians who trade in Animal Meat, their business gets affected, foreign currencies speaks power!
@@rrrkk It is the country with the biggest leather exporting industry in the world. It is improbable that the meat from those cows doesn't get eaten by somebody.
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I think the slaughterhouse manager is telling the truth but he just has a different definition of what love means than you or I if you know what I mean...
So, the slaughterhouse worker says stressed out animals produce an inferior product. It kind of looks like the CO2 stunning stresses them out a lot. Seems like a rush of adrenaline from that process would sully the end product. Didn't they use bolt drivers to slaughter animals before? Was that more stressful than this method?
CO2 is the more accepted procedure in Europe. Europe says that if they do it it is far superior to whatever we are doing, but personally I think it is an unofficial sanction. 🤷♀️ We do use CO2 in the US but only to stun, not to kill.
@@davidlguerr totally agreed. It’s like they want to guilt trip you for your own choice. Sometimes it gets too fanatic for my liking. You choose what works for you and I choose what works for me. At least that’s how I see it
@@IloveCamels335 Most of them simply do not respect other people's choices, if they are different from theirs. They want to ban meat eating for everyone. I do agree that many people in the world eat more meat than they should. It is an health concern. But I wouldn't endorse a strict vegan diet.
@@IloveCamels335 Yeah, definitely. If I torture, kill and eat dogs, then that's just my choice, but those pesky neighbours want me to go to jail for it. And if I pour out toxic substances in my neighbourhood and actively destroy my neighbours' environment and their future on this planet, that's also just my choice, but for some reason they get mad at me and act as if me actively destroying their future affects them. Crazy, right?
One argument I hear a lot is that in the old days people ate meat all the time. Not so! In my country ( Nordic ) only the nobility had daily access to meat and everybody else ate vegetables and, if lucky, fish, fish to the extent that tapeworms were considered a normality. Meat was only for the high holidays, while the daily diet consisted of vegetable broth, porridge, bread and lentils.
@@simonmcintosh6565 Barley, oats, and rye provided around 70 % of the calories. Plus the vegetables, mostly cabbage, beets, onions, garlic and carrots. Almond milk was more common than cows milk. Animal protein sources were butter and cheese more than meat.
I am an Indian by birth and a Christian which says that I'm not obliged to any religious restrictions in consuming meat, but I was brought up with a dietary pattern of eating mostly vegetarian food and rare occasions meat, though financially we were sound. It was only because we loved eating vegetables and lentils in our daily routine. I now live in central Asia, where meat is the main item of consumption. I feel sick if I continually have meat in my diet for a few days.
@@kingdevil6021 Hey you ! It's non of your business to decide whether I'm Indian or not! First of all change your mentality that if a person of has different faith other than Hinduism doesn't change his origin. I'm born Indian, my ancestors were living here and I live here. So please change your mindset. India is in danger because of people like you.
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 Where ever you're pulling that assertion from, again, it boils down to how it tastes. If it's delicious then you naturally go and get some more no matter how it affects your health or overall well being.
Put 2 juicy steaks out on the backyard table for 3 nice warm days. Then give one to your dog and you chow down on the other Chuck....and then tell me next wek that , just like your dog, you didn't shit Bangladeshi river water for the next 18 hrs doubled over in the little room. You hunky, butch carnivore, you!
The scene with the CO2 and the pigs is absolutely heart wrenching to watch. And look how the ducks try to get away from him before being force fed. Thank you for sharing this. Hopefully this gets to the eyes of people that need to see this and hopefully we can welcome some new vegans into the fold.
@@monkeylastra All made much worse by animal agriculture. If we combine pastures used for grazing with land used to grow crops for animal feed, livestock accounts for 77% of global farming land. While livestock takes up most of the world's agricultural land it only produces 18% of the world's calories. Really, the point you just made makes you much worse. Vegan’s undeniably reduce their harm both in lives effected and the environment. You’re simply appealing to futility. Shame on you, Joe Rogan and Ted Nugent are clearly not experts. 😂
That critique on belief it's spot-on. I have spent almost 8 years explaining to people that it is faith what's behind will (choice) and how they educated us on thinking this equals to the truth (reality) when in fact is just a theory and cannot posibbly be stated as knowledge.
And where's the science? I might as well believe that living from sunlight is also possible. I don't like how this video has the vegan narrative behind it, and it's not backed up by data.
We Indians and Hindus and Buddhists have the highest number of vegetarians amongst us ..vegetarian diet is soothing ..and is amazing for your inner self .. my family have been vegetarian for generations.. .
Not sure about Buddhists....because I'm pretty sure Asian Buddhist nations also have the highest number of all-you-can-eat Shabu and BBQ restaurants in the world haha.
I still eat chicken and fish. But still have complete vegetarian days. I'm trying to go full vegetarian. Ignorance is the greatest sin for humans to carry. Something got to change. This shits got to go
@@CordeliaWagner yeah it's a picking order. Humans are at the top of the order. We can question everything due to our capacity of a consousness with our mind stucksure. Which leavrs us with no real excuse?Animals have more emotional experience than chickens and fish do 🐟 😢 💔. Like I say this shits got to go
@@CordeliaWagner not to mention the miserable life chicken live with many inside same cage they don't even get to move or stretch their wings :( not even calves keep drinking milk, why humans do? ew
going vegan more than 10 years ago was single-handedly the best decision I have ever made. 🌱 It's very liberating as well ✌. And this video only confirms it
Incorrect! Plants have all nutrients to stay healthy. Most jainists are vegan without any problems. Vegan choice is a skill that can be learned and applied when we believe life matters.
I think this is mostly a western concept. I'm South African. We currently have a great dane at home, Dixie, she's 6 years now and we've had her since she was about 6 weeks. We all love her dearly. She's not allowed in the house, she's a dog, not a friend and certainly not a family member. Each of us at home make time to spend with her daily whether it is playing fetch, taking walks or just cuddling. Still a dog. She's our 5th family dog. We paid the breeder, bought her a good kennel and buy her food monthly. We wash her when it is necessary. Mom is a nurse, when Dixie is sick or hurt we use old meds and treat her wounds with left of antiseptics and bandages. She's never visited a vet or has medical aid wtf. When she dies it will suck and be sad, like it was before. Then we'll get another dog, not a friend or a family member, a dog. Sometimes we buy live chickens, goats or sheep to slaughter here at home to feed extended family and friends during cultural ceremonies and celebrations. The slaughtering, skinning and butchering is done by the males in the family so I've been a part of this process my whole life. I don't see animals as anything much more than what they are. They are life and all life needs to be respected. But I'm under no illusions that an animal somehow becomes family, gtf outta here with that man 😅. My heart will never bleed for any animal (like Dixie) like it will for any person (like you random stranger reading this).
Yeah, we all know your continent still has that old pechant for violence and blood. It's in statistics. Western culture developed more humanitary and empathetic sense then the rest of the world, that's the difference. Why caring about the suffering of inocent beings when they are not similar to us, right? (Let's remember where this line of thought took humanity not a long time ago...)
Very healthy attitude. An attitude that would have been shared by 99% of Westerners just 100 years or so ago, I have no doubt. When large parts of the population was living rurally and producing food still an undertaking, that kept the majority of the people busy - not just a tiny subset of them. It's the fact that most of us live our lives so utterly removed from the reality of food production, that breeds both this ideology of putting animals on the same level as humans and the horror of treating farm animals with total disregard for their pain and suffering. When a healthy attitude should be somewhere in the middle. Animals are living beings, they feel both pain and fear and pleasure and joy. And we shouldn't make them suffer unnecessarily. But they're not humans and there's nothing ethically wrong with us taking out part in the food chain, just like any other living being.
I could pet my dog with one hand and eat another with the other... Same goes for a pig, fish etc. I'll never understand how people can compartmentalize based on their beliefs instead of their actual individual closeness and situation.
I just cant stop watching the videos you guys make , its super informative and on point ! People really need to know what's going on now in the real world . There is just so much stuff that we don't know . Please dont stop making your videos . Sending love from Singapore ❤
Not so informative, but I knew all this ready. The problem with eating meat is how we grow and harvest it. The German slaughterhouse they showed us was pretty state-of-the-art, although I think this should be a better way to knock the pigs out. But other than that having an animal's throat cut well it's sleeping is pretty painless.
This is what journalism is. Shining light on our world's issues, without bias. Thank you so much for these documentaries, they are all very insightful.
There was nothing unbiased about this, and it was not a documentary. It showed only your viewpoint. That is why you liked it and found it unbiased. Hold your beliefs, but without intellectual dishonesty.
@@Jan96106 So true. Even documentary itself is never unbiased. The moment people pick up the camera and choose what to film and what to cut, it will all become personal viewpoint.
A great documentary !!! DW please keep this longer, so more people can watch. I remember as a small child, I was crying my eyes out when 5-6 men were gathering to slaughter a single pig in my village. It was a big event for the family as it meant having meat for a long time. Now a farmer makes a EUR 20 profit from a single pig (at most). All this "perfection" in killing and suffering, for just EUR 20 in profit for the person doing the most work - the system is totally wrong. And we're paying for this in climate change.
DW is good, but there is too much promotion of ideologies. I don't feel like the reasons why a reasonable amount of meat is a good idea were voiced here. Given the video's title, it's definitely biased. That's ok, I still like DW, I'm not expecting them to be 100% unbiased.
Why does Melanie Joy omit that when we began as an agricultural society, dogs were the hunters and the shepherds simultaneously? Maybe we don't eat dogs but we used them for protection in the same way we use pigs and chickens for eating. Dogs didn't start off as cute pets; there's a reason why they are so close to man since millenias ago
Go to SE ASia and have a Dog kebab....same dogs as ours and that's their tradition. and have some spiced cat and raw horse for entree....big world out there, darl.
@@ceeemm1901 Traditions can be very immoral and wrong. They're found in all backward societies where people live like barbarians. Modern people are still barbarians mostly when they follow cruel or thoughtless traditions blindly.
Listeria is the main, nearly always, problem with those incredibly rare lettuce infections. Listeria comes from the shit and piss of farm animals. Manures and fertilisers are used either too fresh or the lettuce gets contaminated from livestock on the farm or nearby. Lettuce doesn't produce any toxin. Oh and thanks for stating "lettuce is a vegetable", love didactics..
After 30 years of being a vegetarian, I developed irreversible body complaints due to lack of B12. For 7 years I daily took 2x p day Methylcobalamine, a B12 supplement. I functioned well, but not fully. Besides the additives in the tablets were going against he healthy intake of food and nutrients bc it contained red color, stuff that hold the tablet together and what else. So many years of taking the tablets 2 per day meant also taking the unwanted additives. And it is expensive and not everywhere available for instance in African countries where I used to spend longer periods of time. Besides that, being a vegetarian is against food cultures in many countries and I was always left out, sitting somewhere alone in a corner, to eat rice and salads, not even satiating me, while others were sharing a meal. So basically, how much I love all animals and life, I was hurting myself, my own body and I was hurting many others who were offering meals which I refused. It is just not sustainable I had to admit. Now I am off tablets eating 2x per month a meal of fish or chicken, a sacrifice for my health. So I give prayers of gratitude for the sacrificed animal.
@@walterbarroso7704 more than say a few ounces of meat a day is bad though, too much is bad, too little is bad, i can agree humans sedintary need very LITTLE AMOUNT meat
Man, i understand why they felt the need to start the documentary with the family dog, but it was too heartbreaking. We recently had to have one of our dogs put down, and it was just too sad.
Seriously, people in rich countries are out of touch with the reality of most people in poor countries. Almost most half of the world is starving and can't remove meat from their diet. Its a matter of survival for many of us here in poor countries
But there were so many caveats in the documentary explaining that this applies to richer countries because there is an element of choice. If you have no choice, you cannot afford to have a moral stance on meat consumption, and therefore you must do what you need to survive. In Europe and North America, we have that choice and yet we continue to harm animals on a grotesque scale. For those who have a choice, continuing to do something that causes harm is wrong. Choice is the key word
This is NOT an excellent, well-researched, balanced documentary 😂😂 It is a plain, cheaply produced piece of vegan propaganda. I prefer the approach of mr John Harvey Kellogg, a physician and devout Seventh-Day Adventist in Battle Creek, Michigan. He sharply recognized the dangers of masturbation from eating meat. Of coarse we shouldn't mention that his healthy cereals launched sugar cravings in children and formed the basis of a solid pre-diabetes in later live. And please don't forget that red meat is as dangerous as smoking cigarettes! (WHO) 😊 (Ok, OK, just being ironical a bit..❤)
what makes everything messed up is we are overeating. A balance diet is the key, I agree we are not supposed to rely on meat product. But eating it occasionally is not a big problem. which means reduce the meat consumption and diversifying our diet
As a farmer, I can testify that even plants are full of life and vigor - when a plant is cut down, you can literally see the life get sucked out of it as it wilts and dies off eventually. What this documentary basically covers is raising moral questions about the cycle of life. I hate to state it but - life is built around the cycle of life and death. One organism has to always sacrifice their life for the other organism to live. Seeds have to die for plants to emerge. Insects have to die for birds to live. Gazelles have to die for lions to live. And definitely, some plants and animals have to die for humans to live. So this romanticized idea of what life is is basically a distortion of truth. There is no other way for humans to live apart from deriving their sustenance from animals and crops - which have to be sacrificed for our continued existence. The alternative is to wipe out humanity - but still this would not stop pigs from being slaughtered by lions, leopards and bears etc.
If they can convince lions to become vegan, then I might entertain the idea. Yes, I am a proud selfish human being who have no regards for animal lives.
Yet another human with the plant argument. 😂 You sound ridiculous. There is a big difference between plants and animals and that is sentience. BTW, lions are carnivorous animals and humans are omnivores, so yet another failed argument. 🤡
@@droidmansky7354 absolutely. Generally. It’s what drives society. A rational human being should be self interested and maximize his or her own interest.
@@d.ducky. for me, the starting point was a knowledge about ptomaines in every meat and fish also. Also for me vegan diet is giving me more energy than before. And much of all an understanding that it's not good to eat others live species.
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I don't think we are champions of supresion because we can love pets but eat meat. Even in my home, my pet is subordinate. If I had to choose b/w my pet and anyone in my immediate family, there is zero, ZERO hesitation. I love my pet, but the love of a pet isn't like the love of a human to me.
"these people" was the term used for the people's of Ancient Mesopotamia.. it is sad that their name wasn't mentioned once in this documentary and given homage to them for their farming techniques.
I was vegan for three years until i had to recently quit for an injury I had, I was very poorly educated about nutritions, so I basically ate bunch carbs and few to nothing veggies, I felt horrible all the time, my body was begging for something nutritious but I never listened to it. I am definitely going back vegan again once I feel more stable and well informed about nutritions. my advice for anyone who's thinking of eating plant based exclusively would be, knowledge knowledge and knowledge, know your shit before doing it, your body will thank you!
I was vegetarian...then transitioned to vegan. So far it's been a positive change. The more plants I eat, the more I want. It feels good. I feel more hydrated, clean, more energy, and calm best way I can put it. You are right! You have to educate yourself on eating vegan. Being vegan is more than eating just salads and veggie burgers. 🥦🥑🥬🍓🫐
It’s so simple though just google foods containing protein zinc iron calcium omega 3 etc then eat rice/pasta for carbs and if your struggling with amino acids eat tofu it contains all essential amino acids.
@@LP-kw3kj Okay...going to try to be calm with you here. Research. Look it up. There are an estimated 1.5 Billion vegetarians in the world. And an estimated 79 million vegans in the world. And we're ALIVE and well. Figure THAT out. Human Beings do not have to eat animals to live, thrive and be healthy. Contrary to what you have been taught to believe. Basically brainwashed.
As a person of science, I found the approach in this video is one of the best to discuss this topic and the parameters were spot on! Brilliant job, team DW!
As a person of science, I found this video very biased! Where is the strong evidence showing the high prevalence of depression, anxiety, and other mental disorders among vegetarians? The problem is not only Vit. B12, it is choline, creatine, and many other micronutrients mainly found in meat...
@rezaghiasvand2216 I became a vegan because of a depression and never felled better. It's also very difficult to determine if depression is actually caused by a specific diet or that many other psychological factors influence the results.
I turned vegetarian about 10 years ago for medical reasons. Later, when those reasons were no longer applicable, I maintained my vegetarian diet, gradually transforming it to a vegan one, primarily due to moral reasons. I don't judge anyone for their dietary choices and don't expect to be judged for mine. Occasionally I hanker after bacon or a steak or cheese but I am quite satisfied with my diet. One thing that really helped was going on a three month retreat in Northern Thailand during my convalescence where I realised that animal products are not necessary for a satisfying diet. Meat-eaters would be surprised at the variety and pleasure a fruit/vegetable/soy-based diet can afford you. Occasionally, for cultural reasons - I live in the Philippines, where pork, fish and chicken are major dietary staples - I accept the offer of animal products but I am usually able to refrain from consuming them with strategic white lies, supported by my wife, concerning my 'delicate' constitution. That way I avoid offending my hosts while simultaneously maintaining my dietary choices.
@@yourlandladysson6395 Vegan is, dietary, no animal products at all - no milk, yoghurt, cheese, etc. Vegetarian allows animal products that are not meat.
@@galgamekthegreatlord4823 Not at all. I make my choices and I would hope that people respect mine. I never tout my dietary /moral choices and don't impose my beliefs on others. I proffer non-moral reasons for my decision not to eat animal products.
I wonder and would like to hear more about whether population explosion led to agriculture and domestication, or whether agriculture and domestication led to population explosion.
The question is how can we stop the current population explosion? When I was 13, the world population reached 7 billion. Ten years later it's 8 billion
@riverbend7846it was the norm in the "west" twenty years ago; we are lucky to see that the global trend reached the poorest regions of the world already. yes, you need at least some working birth control to control birth rate but luckily, poor women are having it more and more. women don't want to spend their lives pregnant.
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You should only be vegetarian or vegan with a nutritional education. Take a few college courses so you know how to get the essential amino acid that you must get from food. Meat is the obvious source but combining foods like rice and beans can do the same trick. I know so many that went vegetarian or vegan and became very ill.
Usually, scientists tend to be more cautious extrapolating what we know about modern hunter-gatherers to our hunter-gatherers forefathers than what is shown in this documentary. Modern hunter-gatherers live in extreme conditions that affect all aspects of their life including their diets. Not all ancient hunter-gatherers lived in those conditions. Therefore, one can’t say that because modern hunter-gatherers derive most of their energy from meat, that must be what we have evolved doing. It would have been nice to see a better-structured evolutionary argument.
It's not just the vit B12 we need from animal source, but essential amino-acids which are the building blocks for our cells and can not be derived from plants. Somehow it is completely bypassed in this documentary. There should be at least milk and eggs in our diet.
B12 comes from bacteria and the destruction of our soil and use of antibiotics etc reduces this. Complete amino acids can be achieved from plants as far as I know. Vegan/vegetarian societies are doing just fine.
Carbon Dioxide suffocation is one of the worst ways to die. Why would they do that to pigs? Nitrogen suffocation would be more pleasant (it is not detectable to the body and they would just sleep). The reality is that the companies simply want cheap carbon dioxide. nitrogen is more expensive.
I tried to go vegetarian... but ended up very weak and ill within two weeks. I wound up with iron deficiency anemia because my allergies and sensitivities prevent me from eating 90% of the available fruits and vegetables in the supermarkets... I don't like it, but right now I don't have a choice but to go along with societal norms. However, I'm working hard to save up to start my own organic farm where I can grow alternative foods that I'm not allergic to~ I'll still eat meat, mainly because I'm an omnivore, but I want to change my source to a more humane one and continue reducing the amount until I reach the bare minimum my body needs. In a perfect world? I'd only eat animals I raise, hunt, and fish for myself so that I will know that the poor creature didn't suffer unnecessarily. It breaks my heart to harm any living thing, even plants... but.... I gotta eat.
Your situation is understandable. One step at a time, and good luck with your future farm. I was raised on a meat heavy diet so making the shift has been hard. Right now the only meat in our household is chicken once a week.
I am a vegetarian since my birth...i have been a top athelete in the school ...even at the age of 49 i could run 22 km with 24 hours fasted state...let the body learn the idea of vegetarianism
A Good and real documentary, awaiting for another part. I think it will be easy to take decision when one think about whether to live for eating or to eat for living.
I'm not a vegetarian, but one interesting thing I've noticed is that it's the vegetarians and vegans that get lectured by meat eaters about their choices lol, not the other way around.
@10:42 argon does not induce the same stress response, but still displaces O2, thereby suffocating. but argon is more expensive than CO2. @18:43 animal domestication (v. plant domestication) was also part of "agriculture": pigs, cows, horses, sheep, goats, chickens, ducks, dogs, cats,... @4:16 @30:54 some cultures eat dogs, cats, horses, insects, and a wide array of fish/sea crustaceans... some cultures do not eat pigs (too dirty) or cows (too sacred).
It's interesting that these historians claim that hunters and gatherers' diets consists of 60% meat, when newer studies say at most, historically (and even currently) it's actually only around 30%.
If I try petting the dog with one hand while having a piece of meat on the other, the dog would definetely try to grab the the meat from me! Is the dog wrong?
I always said that killing wasn't my problem, I didn't like the way animals suffer during their lives before becoming a meal. But this video made me see how much they suffer...even to die! I don't think I will be able to eat meat anymore.
Well done video. What I think was not pointed out enough is that we are not all the same so there is no "one size fits all" answer to if we need meat. Depending on ancestry and where we come from we have different needs and different foods that we need to thrive. Some people do really well being vegan or vegetarian or eating only plant based. Others do not. So again - it is not only one approach for everyone. What has to be worked on however, and that goes universally: we need to find more humane ways of treating animals the right way if we do want to eat them. Our ancestors always made sure of that. We just hunted what we needed and used every little bit of the animal, we did not waste. All the indigenous cultures made that a point. We treated the animals with respect. We need to be aware that they give their lives in order for us to have this food. We should give thanks and be much more grateful. There is no place for cruelty or for hurting or torturing them.
There were 3 camps during the debate on slavery: 1/ one wanted to continue slavery because they believed in race hierarchy. 2/ the second was talking about welfare, meaning treating slaves with dignity 3/ the abolitionists who refused categorically slavery and fought to ban it from the Earth.
There's no humane of killing any living being with emotions and pain perception. Hope you get that hard in your head before you say anything regarding humane ways of killing. It's 2023 FFS
@@aesthetic15912 so killing plants (plants move, comunicate and now we kno they let out an ultrasound scream when injured or when dying of thirst) is more moraly ok than killing animals? What about fungus-they create large networks and the biggest one is storing more information than curent best supercomputer does... Also when we are talking about plants e kno they can recognize different humans-if you walk by a plant and break its leave it will react by increasing electricity in its body when you walk around (but just whe the person who does this and never does it when someone else does it=it knows you hurt it in the past and its trying to defend itself)-it it still ok to kill the plant?
Dogs were domesticated becuase they served a function. That function was helping hunt, protect, provide warmth etc. Sheep, Cows, goats, chicken etc beause their role was to serve as a food source. Each animal was domesticate for a particular role. Once an animal has been breed for a specific role they are selectively breed and therefore their genes are optimized to serve that role which would then make it impractical to switch a dog into become food when their genes have been selected for very different features. Lets not over-complicate these logical issues and how things have come to be.
I am a meat-eater. I despise animal factory farming . I slaughter my own animals when I can and I try to eat pasture raised meat when I can’t . I will not entertain the morality pedestal because this world doesn’t run on morality . Meat is meat, be it dog, cow, moose, rat, alligator . All meat is edible . I of course prefer to eat ruminant meat because that’s how I was brought up but I understand in other parts of the world they may eat animals I wouldn’t consider to eat and that’s fine because meat Is meat However I do believe if you’re going to consume meat it is your duty to slaughter your own meat or at least know where your food is coming from .
There's no "good" way of treating animals being killed, period. The doc doesn't even include the dairy industry and the horrific treatment of animals there whom ultimately end up at the slaughter houses anyway. Melanie Joy is an excellent communicator and doesn't alienate people who "prefer" to eat animals despite knowing well what's happening behind the scenes, plant based movement owes her much. Just think about it, there are 60 billion live domestic animals in the world waiting to get killed to be served to humans and yet you see none of them in your lives, none... for a good reason.
I transitioned into pescatarian in hope to morph into a vegetarian and eventually vegan someday! All because of animal rights. I was brought up omnivorous and every meal, there was meat. I curb my craving towards my fave like fried chicken, pork and a good steak by imagining the animals born, bred just to die in an inhumane way for us to consume. Also, after reading the book Tender is the Flesh where human beings were being bred and slaughtered for meat in the future.
Instead of trying to convince people not to eat meat we should respect the animal, giving it a good high quality life, (short no doubt), and a humane painless slaughter. We have forgotten how to respect the animals that feed us.
That's right they were actually "Gathers and Hunters". Not every day was a catch, but every day was a collect. But hey they only found bones around those paleo cave sites. Did they find banana peels? pea shells? corn cobs? apple cores? NO! So they must have only eaten MEAT..Doh!, "I yoosta been shlow, bud oym nod so bad now..."
My family by faith is a vegetarian and me too, when I am in 5th grade my friends made me eat chicken and I slowly addicted to it. When I am 22 years old I came back to vegetarianism and felt happy. No regrets no hard feelings. If I have available food options I will turn into a vegan in the near future.
I know most of the these sort of hot topic documentaries are biased, but that doesn't change the fact that it still annoys me. Flat out saying 'we don't need meat to be healthy' is incredibly biased considering more than a few vegans/vegetarians started adding in meat despite taking supplementation because it ultimately wasn't working for them, and we're not hearing the counter arguments by the omnivores or carnivores either.
China is the biggest consumer of dog meat globally, consuming an estimated 10 million dogs (and four million cats) per year. Dog meat has been a tradition in China for thousands of years and is still eaten in many regions of the country.
If my hamburger was a golden retriever not a beef, then who i would share it with?!, I love the look of my pet "cat/dog" when i serve them some of my hamburger .... it feels like Carnivores gang 😂
@@ahrmr SORRY I don't eat other carnivores, only herbivores, they feed on grass and we feed on them with my carnivores friends ... this is how it works honey, If I killed a lion, I won't eat it, and If I killed a deer, I'll make a barbecue
To the DW team: Thank you for another stellar documentary and compelling presentation of a critical social issue! Always a joy to see and learn through your research 🙏 To other viewers: That footage of the "stunning" of pigs was so heartbreaking that it reminded me of gas chambers under the Nazi regime. The systematization and automation of cruelty is truly astounding. I would even argue that we as a society haven't progressed to the level of true civilization until we seriously question, revise, and eradicate such inhumane practices. We are only human to the degree that we exercise humanity. And these practices are subhuman 💔
Notice that we often have pets who are carnivorous - dogs, and cats, because they also eat herbivores. Even most fish are carnivorous, but there are a few herbivores. Your dog would and does eat the same animal that you do, and your cat can actually do the same. With Regenerative Agriculture, the animals have a good life, help grow soil, improve water retention, improve wildlife habitat, and have one bad moment. Vegans are supporting a large conventional farm tillage model where animals are removed from the farm, the production of seeds, vegetables, and greens compete directly with wildlife. Regenerative practices also improve the plant farming process, but adding in animals improves farming lands as well. Growing your own food includes animals, and the animals can be just as appreciated producing milk and eggs (and fiber), then used for meat. The carbs that are fed to the animals are the real issue. Cows are not grain-ivores, and the amount of chemical sprays are taking the mineral content out of all conventionally farmed food. Veganism is very dangerous for the majority of people who also can't get the highest quality foods and many people can't absorb b12 from pills. People are also in need of calcium from sources that are not full of kidney stone causing greens.
I don't want to start a discussion I would like to encourage you to inform yourself a bit more about the questions; how does meat production effect the environment (for expl. deforestration, growing soy, CO2) For the ethics you could ask yourself questions Like, in which way do we differ from cow etc, are these differences a sufficient justification for slaughtering them? In case you come up with differences like higher intelligence you could further ask yourself If these differences should also justificate killing humans with an equal IQ to pigs (of course Not) There are enough reasons and questions to give and I hope some people who read this will think deeper about the topic
Well that's not the case for everyone. The fact is no matter what, if we are attached to something, living or non living we feel for it. Eating animals isn't necessarily bad , but I guess there should be a humane aspect about it as well and factory farming often doesn't go well in that .
We been eating meat for hundred of thousands of years we did not evolved by eating vegetables most of the vegetables we know did not existed 500-1000 years ago
24 minute vegan dude - there are so many more nutrients in dairy, meat, eggs, etc., saying "calcium" about cheese - how about some vitamin K2? in cheese and egg yolks? my home country doesn't sell natto which also has K2. then again, nutrients from animal sources seem to be easier absorbed than from plant sources.
Even as a vegan for nearly 20 years, I say that what you eat is a personal choice…but for goodness sake, enough with the factory farms. They are a tragic mistake and do way more harm than good.
I do keto so lots of meat in my diet - But I have a lot of respect for vegans as it much more challenging diet to do nowadays - and it also demonstrates a solid rejection of the standard american diet (the biggest driver of disease in all of human history) - which keto folks also solidly reject as well. So good luck to you and good health!!
Agree it must be challenging there....come to India where majority is vegan.
@@praddumnvats6759 I would love to do that someday, and I agree with you. But the mistake India has made is replacing ghee with seed oils. Very bad and you were the folks who invented ghee!!
@@praddumnvats6759 modern indian diet is what makes it diabetes capital of the world
@@goldeneagle5999 ya that's the refined sugar scam, thanks to the f British.
0:00: 🐶 The story highlights the unique bond between a family and their dog, Tessie, and raises questions about our contradictory relationship with animals.
5:56: 🐷 A researcher became a vegetarian after getting sick from eating meat and then conducted a study on the psychology of eating animals, leading her to investigate the slaughter industry and the thinking of people who work there.
10:04: 😢 Pigs suffer in CO2 stunning plants before being slaughtered, and carnism is a dominant belief system that justifies eating animals.
17:05: 🌍 The transition from hunter-gatherer societies to sedentary farming led to a significant change in diet and population growth.
20:22: 🥩 The history of human evolution and living conditions have influenced our diet, with meat being a prominent part of it.
25:18: 🌱 Eating meat is not a necessity and we can eat healthily without animal products in the global North.
30:11: 🦆 The video discusses the cultural significance of foie gras and raises ethical questions about eating animals.
You literally said whats in the video yet i never seen any comments about your reaction regarding to this documentary. Seriously?
Thank you for the Cliff Notes. Saved me 25 minutes. Plants are toxic and try to kill you.
thank you for saving my time
Finally, they didn't come to an important point, it is commonly assumed that veganism is ethically good for animals but that could be wrong fundamentally. I think it is ethically correct to include animal products in our human life. Different animals have evolved over time to play a different role in our lives like some are pets, and some convert plant feed that is inedible to us into nutritious and delicious food. It may be possible that in future we may do that without the help of animals, just like horses were replaced by cars. However, I think animals should still exist because in case if humans were to be extinct because of a catastrophe (say a virus), then these animals would be like our distant cousins and carry forward the genes. Someday in the distant future, they might once again evolve into intelligent creatures like us, and they might study our human fossils and bring us back to the world :) For this to happen we must keep a huge population of animals on earth. As technology progresses, we may consider ways to make these animals more efficient and environment friendly rather replacing them with non-living industries.
@@PremVijayVelMani - Humanity, despite our hubris and overconfidence in our technofixes, cannot exist without animals. That is, we need a functioning ecosystem and they are part of that, while our agriculture is in varying degrees an obstacle to that.
You've expressed an anthropocentric worldview that animals evolved according to humanity's utility. Selective breeding is not evolution, but a grotesque mockery where instincts are ignored and human objectives of fast-growing flesh produce animals that suffer from merely existing, are impregnated by human hand, and are slaughtered in their youth. Even if you find an exquisitely strict consumption pattern that strikes you as ethical, the animals that are produced by animal agriculture are ethically bankrupt, and only sustainable compared to their worst practices.
I like your human fossil resurrection theory though. I'm sure that future species that restores us will have questions that neither our brain nor our DNA will be able to answer.
That CO2 method on pigs looks horrific, like many other parts of mass animal production. But at the same time, that dog had breast cancer surgery while humans elsewhere still suffer the most basic needs. In both cases: out of sight, out of mind.
Could’ve used nitrogen instead. Maybe co2 is cheaper
You know why peoples suffering lots of places?
Thar is many reasons,but I will mention shortly several.
Most important we completely cut our connection from our Mother Nature rules,balance our activities and our planet Resources.Peoples some countries have very low educational level,very religious and having bunch of kids, which ones will become chip Labels for greedy industrial peoples,some all life will depend on international food programs like in Africa and getting those foods in plastic packages after using will pollute Environment,because no Recycling and uneducated.
In Mexico and some other sout American country become drug cartels members and kill each other or peoples which ones doesn’t want Apply with their rules.Some people telling we can harvest more craps more animals and fish.But for dying that using more chemicals and more hurtful things for our planet.
Only solution for coping life on our planet having les kids and from individual agriculture turn back to agriculture which one doesn’t Destroy our Nurture.
But impossible during this,because world controlling selfish materialistic peoples,not Consciously healthy peoples.
We peoples Steadily running to our end,unfortunately we Dragging with us wild life to.
Certainly looks a lot better than traditional killing methods, like using a knife and let the pig bleed to death, or hitting him with an iron bar on the head. Other killing methods may be faster, but they will cause issues in the meat.
@@CynicAtheist I guess it wouldn't make any difference in the suffering. They would suffocate anyway.
@@CynicAtheist this is it. BTW, for background, I'm an omnivore, but due to African American rural culture, understand meat comes from living beings. I think very few cultures on Earth have this division the psychologist speaks of, and it is something to fix, whether someone chooses to continue eating meat or not. One definitely would not eat it the same way. There would be much less waste. Part of respect is trying to eat or find a use for everything possible from the "rooter to the tooter". Anyway, yes, I think it is an expense issue. There are a number of much more humane anesthetic options, some that would give a bonus euphoria, but they're not used because they're more expensive, and also once that issue is addressed, the comfort of the beings at the end would become relevant as well. The "one bad day" is a start, but if this is going to continue, we should go for no bad moments at all and just falling asleep on a nice pile of hay. Sometimes I think the cruelty is the point with these mass producers. Meat is already expensive, and not because of costs on the floor, but to increase the payoff to the CEO's and investors. They don't want to take a little off their profits to make life better for their human workers, so the struggle to get them to at least kill animals humanely is even bigger.
The problem is moral ignorance. People can't even give good explanations as to why humans have moral worth. We are never taught it, and we never have to think about it. Why would we expect anyone to be able to reason about other animals' value?
100%. 1000% even.
I heard to often: people have "a soul" - but nobody could EVER explain to me what that even means.
It's a big word. But just a word it is.
BTW: just to be complete here: it's religion. The source of all evil: delusion and ignorance. That's why people believe they are superior over anything on earth, or in the universe for that matter. Delusion, ignorance, and huge entitlement.
@@SaraMKay People do have souls but we know very little of it.
And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little." [17:85]
17:85
Allāh takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that do not die [He takes] during their sleep. Then He keeps those for which He has decreed death and releases the others for a specified term. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought. [39:42]
I stoped eating meat at 4 yrs old. To this day, I recognise this as the best decision of my life. That time, 1969, ppl pressed my mother, who was and is not vegetarian, saying all sorts of bad things like " your son will die for lack o proteins and iron". Well, I did not. Im 1.85 m and 95 kilograms, 58 years old and no complains. ❤
Even chimpanzees eat meat lol.
I have health problems and plant based diet is inflamatory, so I have to eat protein in order to recover
@@CapreDiem86 Didn't know that... hope you recover totally!
@@supahfly_uk Well, but I guess gorillas don't.
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Both the female and male narrators are excellent and deserve a mention.
Great doc as usual. Ty DW.
Thanks for watching!
They are not mentioned because it is an artifical voice. lol
@@habi-tahti are u sure sounds real
@@habi-tahti Darn good if it is but these days ya never know?
DW has a fetish for documentaries about nonsense like climate change. DW pushes a political agenda.
31:59 -“Is it morally right to eat animals.”
Previously, the documentary stated “all choices are based upon beliefs”.
The question of what is morally right then becomes a question of beliefs.
Hurting someone and eating anyone is not a " personal choice"
dont eat plant embryos
I am Vegetarian from India . Our Culture promotes Vegetarianism strongly ( 600 Million peoples in India are Vegetarian ) . We love Animals ❤
Only 34% people of India is full-time vegetarian. But they eat animal products such as- ghee, cheese, milk, egg as well. Other 64% people eat both mear & vegetables.
you don't love type 2 diabetes which is rampant in your veggie world
@@koushikdas1992 +++++
A lot of 'culture' depends on climate. The further away from the equator and the tropics you live the fewer crops you can grow. I grew up in England just after WWll. We had potatoes, onions, carrots, turnips, cabbages. In winter no tomatoes. They need heat. Fruit was seasonal, apples, plums and pears in autumn. An orange was put in our xmas stockings as part of our xmas gifts from Santa.
Back in the 1960s or 70s an experimental iron age village was the subject of a documentary. Peopled with modern folk, many of the long hair and sandals type.
I later read that the vegetarians among them had either to leave or eat meat as their health was suffering. The restricted variety of fruits and vegetables that could be grown and foraged in the natural conditions in England did not provide the proteins, fats and vitamins available in meat. One lady even ended up in hospital.
Just look at the traditional diets of peoples who live in the far north. Lots of meat and fish.
So thank your lucky stars you live where the climate allows you to grow an abundance of different fruits and vegetable.
Good for you. But the majority of people in the world are not Hindu. So we can eat meat.
We do and eat unnecessary things and wonder why we are falling ill.
But the human mind is the best barrister in the world- It can justify anything.
Bottom line: even if eating animals could be unethical is totally necessary if you want to survive without taking pills
You missed the part where it is said that the animals you eat are fed lots of pills to stay healthy and alive until they are slaughtered.
Yeah true, except most people drink and eat terrible diets so most people still need supplements and pills.
In most western countries, a big chunk of the population is chronically ill.
People already take pills.
Not really. You can get your nutrients without meat.
You can just consume fortified foods if swallowing a B12 pill is a problem. Also, a vegetarian doesn't directly eat animals and still doesn't need to supplement.
Even if you insist on getting your B12 from meat or fish, you'd only need 100g twice a week to get enough.
Thank you for all the effort your team put into this documentary. It was very well done.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment, Aaron!
INDIA NO1 IN BEEF EXPORT. WE HAD GREAT NON VEGETARIAN DIET AND NOW ..IN U.K ALL RESTAURANTS HAS NON VEGETARIAN INDIAN FOOD U GOT EASILY AND ECONOMICAL
@@dyalsaraswati3915that's not true. It's a Hindu country
@@rrrkkindians criticize other Indians when they eat meat aka non-vegetarian food, why ? Because those Indians who trade in Animal Meat, their business gets affected, foreign currencies speaks power!
@@rrrkk It is the country with the biggest leather exporting industry in the world. It is improbable that the meat from those cows doesn't get eaten by somebody.
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I agree
Yes same here
@@DWDocumentary Trash documentary.
DW is a gift to the world and the inquiring mind ❤️
When a slaughterhouse manager tells you they love animals, that should tell you all you need to know about the lies and absurdity of this industry.
How so. Ypu are just clutching at straws because you can't be an organic vegan. Enjoy the lab based food you eat
@@Yozie__mrhjb9703Is this your best guess of what I eat? Also, I note how you failed to respond to my comment in any way.
I think the slaughterhouse manager is telling the truth but he just has a different definition of what love means than you or I if you know what I mean...
Do you think he hates the pigs he slaughters if he's lying about loving them?
@@Trotchu His "love" is more in that Jeffrey Dhamer style.
So, the slaughterhouse worker says stressed out animals produce an inferior product. It kind of looks like the CO2 stunning stresses them out a lot. Seems like a rush of adrenaline from that process would sully the end product. Didn't they use bolt drivers to slaughter animals before? Was that more stressful than this method?
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CO2 is the more accepted procedure in Europe. Europe says that if they do it it is far superior to whatever we are doing, but personally I think it is an unofficial sanction. 🤷♀️
We do use CO2 in the US but only to stun, not to kill.
This is how adenochrome is made
same, i dont get it eather... I used to think they were shot on the top of the head. Sounds lets traumatic at the very least.
@@SarahSmith-rx3xm Isn't that also what this documentary showed? They were unconscious after the CO2 pit, not dead.
The same people who issues with factory farming also are against hunting. Seems like the narrative is always leading to eating less to no meat.
That is the problem with most vegans. They do not want to eat meat (and that is fine), but also want others to do the same, by force.
@@davidlguerr totally agreed. It’s like they want to guilt trip you for your own choice. Sometimes it gets too fanatic for my liking. You choose what works for you and I choose what works for me. At least that’s how I see it
@@IloveCamels335 Most of them simply do not respect other people's choices, if they are different from theirs. They want to ban meat eating for everyone. I do agree that many people in the world eat more meat than they should. It is an health concern. But I wouldn't endorse a strict vegan diet.
@@IloveCamels335 Yeah, definitely. If I torture, kill and eat dogs, then that's just my choice, but those pesky neighbours want me to go to jail for it. And if I pour out toxic substances in my neighbourhood and actively destroy my neighbours' environment and their future on this planet, that's also just my choice, but for some reason they get mad at me and act as if me actively destroying their future affects them. Crazy, right?
Its all propaganda founded by "vegan" companyes. Today everything "green" and "sustainable" is trandy and they are trying to profit from it.
Very well done team DW, pretty informative documentary!
One argument I hear a lot is that in the old days people ate meat all the time. Not so! In my country ( Nordic ) only the nobility had daily access to meat and everybody else ate vegetables and, if lucky, fish, fish to the extent that tapeworms were considered a normality. Meat was only for the high holidays, while the daily diet consisted of vegetable broth, porridge, bread and lentils.
Before that time you are talking about, Seastorm.
Meat consumption has doubled globally over the last 100 years, but more so in First World countries.
@@simonmcintosh6565 Barley, oats, and rye provided around 70 % of the calories. Plus the vegetables, mostly cabbage, beets, onions, garlic and carrots. Almond milk was more common than cows milk. Animal protein sources were butter and cheese more than meat.
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What does it matter what happened in the so called "old days"
I am an Indian by birth and a Christian which says that I'm not obliged to any religious restrictions in consuming meat, but I was brought up with a dietary pattern of eating mostly vegetarian food and rare occasions meat, though financially we were sound.
It was only because we loved eating vegetables and lentils in our daily routine. I now live in central Asia, where meat is the main item of consumption. I feel sick if I continually have meat in my diet for a few days.
Where do you live now ?
Abrhamic faiths are not Indian. You're not 100% Indian. Your pilgrimage is not in India. Your loyalty can't be to India.
@@kingdevil6021 Hey you ! It's non of your business to decide whether I'm Indian or not!
First of all change your mentality that if a person of has different faith other than Hinduism doesn't change his origin.
I'm born Indian, my ancestors were living here and I live here.
So please change your mindset. India is in danger because of people like you.
@@kingdevil6021 lol dude chill
If someone converted to a different religion doesn’t mean he isn’t an Indian
Well sorry mate. We like eating animals we grow.
Why do people eat animals? Because they're delicious. Let's not make the answer complicated.
Then why do you always drench it in sauces made exclusively from plants?
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 Where ever you're pulling that assertion from, again, it boils down to how it tastes. If it's delicious then you naturally go and get some more no matter how it affects your health or overall well being.
Put 2 juicy steaks out on the backyard table for 3 nice warm days. Then give one to your dog and you chow down on the other Chuck....and then tell me next wek that , just like your dog, you didn't shit Bangladeshi river water for the next 18 hrs doubled over in the little room. You hunky, butch carnivore, you!
Won't stop people from eating meat.
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It's about culture too. Doesn't make sense tho
The scene with the CO2 and the pigs is absolutely heart wrenching to watch. And look how the ducks try to get away from him before being force fed. Thank you for sharing this. Hopefully this gets to the eyes of people that need to see this and hopefully we can welcome some new vegans into the fold.
What about all the animals that get killed when they plow fields ? Or when trees are cut down for farm land?
@@monkeylastra All made much worse by animal agriculture. If we combine pastures used for grazing with land used to grow crops for animal feed, livestock accounts for 77% of global farming land. While livestock takes up most of the world's agricultural land it only produces 18% of the world's calories.
Really, the point you just made makes you much worse. Vegan’s undeniably reduce their harm both in lives effected and the environment. You’re simply appealing to futility. Shame on you, Joe Rogan and Ted Nugent are clearly not experts. 😂
@@monkeylastraWhat about cannibalism in order to get protein as well?
@@monkeylastra oops they forgot to remember about that don't worry, at least they didn't forget to tell everyone they're vegans
yes that part was very sad.
It was hard to watch .
The truth is so painful .
Thanks - good work !
That critique on belief it's spot-on. I have spent almost 8 years explaining to people that it is faith what's behind will (choice) and how they educated us on thinking this equals to the truth (reality) when in fact is just a theory and cannot posibbly be stated as knowledge.
And where's the science? I might as well believe that living from sunlight is also possible. I don't like how this video has the vegan narrative behind it, and it's not backed up by data.
We Indians and Hindus and Buddhists have the highest number of vegetarians amongst us ..vegetarian diet is soothing ..and is amazing for your inner self .. my family have been vegetarian for generations..
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I don't want to be soothed, I'm not a toddler. I want to be active and strong physically.
Then, move to India
@@vancouverviking4652 I am in India !! Proud To be back in India after visiting both UK and France !! India is love and home !!
@@sheet-music that's your choice !! I respect it !! Good luck !!
Not sure about Buddhists....because I'm pretty sure Asian Buddhist nations also have the highest number of all-you-can-eat Shabu and BBQ restaurants in the world haha.
I still eat chicken and fish. But still have complete vegetarian days. I'm trying to go full vegetarian. Ignorance is the greatest sin for humans to carry. Something got to change. This shits got to go
Milk cows go to the same slaughthouses as beed cows after maximum five years.
Same for egg laying chicken.
@@CordeliaWagner yeah it's a picking order. Humans are at the top of the order. We can question everything due to our capacity of a consousness with our mind stucksure. Which leavrs us with no real excuse?Animals have more emotional experience than chickens and fish do 🐟 😢 💔. Like I say this shits got to go
@@CordeliaWagner not to mention the miserable life chicken live with many inside same cage they don't even get to move or stretch their wings :( not even calves keep drinking milk, why humans do? ew
Food and culture from other countries are good.
Most people know the truth. It's is also pretty obvious. We just don't pay attention to our reality living like zombies.
This is an outstanding contribution to the debate over meat eating.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
going vegan more than 10 years ago was single-handedly the best decision I have ever made. 🌱 It's very liberating as well ✌. And this video only confirms it
Went carnivore last year and I haven't been in better health in my entire life and I'm 40 👌🏾
I feel very good when I eat meat. It becomes the best decision for the day.
@Louis Tea Enjoyer majority of crops (some 80%) is fed to live stock. All the more reason to be vegan don't ya think?
Incorrect! Plants have all nutrients to stay healthy. Most jainists are vegan without any problems. Vegan choice is a skill that can be learned and applied when we believe life matters.
Do you tell everyone you meet this
I think this is mostly a western concept. I'm South African. We currently have a great dane at home, Dixie, she's 6 years now and we've had her since she was about 6 weeks. We all love her dearly.
She's not allowed in the house, she's a dog, not a friend and certainly not a family member. Each of us at home make time to spend with her daily whether it is playing fetch, taking walks or just cuddling. Still a dog. She's our 5th family dog. We paid the breeder, bought her a good kennel and buy her food monthly. We wash her when it is necessary. Mom is a nurse, when Dixie is sick or hurt we use old meds and treat her wounds with left of antiseptics and bandages. She's never visited a vet or has medical aid wtf. When she dies it will suck and be sad, like it was before. Then we'll get another dog, not a friend or a family member, a dog.
Sometimes we buy live chickens, goats or sheep to slaughter here at home to feed extended family and friends during cultural ceremonies and celebrations. The slaughtering, skinning and butchering is done by the males in the family so I've been a part of this process my whole life.
I don't see animals as anything much more than what they are. They are life and all life needs to be respected. But I'm under no illusions that an animal somehow becomes family, gtf outta here with that man 😅. My heart will never bleed for any animal (like Dixie) like it will for any person (like you random stranger reading this).
Exactly, thank you for saying this. These people are so blind and this is literally such tendential propaganda not a documentary.
Yeah, we all know your continent still has that old pechant for violence and blood. It's in statistics. Western culture developed more humanitary and empathetic sense then the rest of the world, that's the difference.
Why caring about the suffering of inocent beings when they are not similar to us, right? (Let's remember where this line of thought took humanity not a long time ago...)
Very healthy attitude. An attitude that would have been shared by 99% of Westerners just 100 years or so ago, I have no doubt.
When large parts of the population was living rurally and producing food still an undertaking, that kept the majority of the people busy - not just a tiny subset of them.
It's the fact that most of us live our lives so utterly removed from the reality of food production, that breeds both this ideology of putting animals on the same level as humans and the horror of treating farm animals with total disregard for their pain and suffering.
When a healthy attitude should be somewhere in the middle. Animals are living beings, they feel both pain and fear and pleasure and joy. And we shouldn't make them suffer unnecessarily. But they're not humans and there's nothing ethically wrong with us taking out part in the food chain, just like any other living being.
Well said. Animals are not families members in our cultural ways. Its a western thing.
At least Africans don't lie to themselves and others and know who they are. Cheers.
I could pet my dog with one hand and eat another with the other... Same goes for a pig, fish etc.
I'll never understand how people can compartmentalize based on their beliefs instead of their actual individual closeness and situation.
Would you eat your dog tho
Western propaganda dogs are still being consumed in developing countries
I just cant stop watching the videos you guys make , its super informative and on point ! People really need to know what's going on now in the real world . There is just so much stuff that we don't know . Please dont stop making your videos .
Sending love from Singapore ❤
Thanks for watching and for the positive feedback, Jessica! Best wishes. :)
Agree 100%! ❤
Agreed from India. 😊
Not so informative, but I knew all this ready. The problem with eating meat is how we grow and harvest it. The German slaughterhouse they showed us was pretty state-of-the-art, although I think this should be a better way to knock the pigs out. But other than that having an animal's throat cut well it's sleeping is pretty painless.
This is what journalism is. Shining light on our world's issues, without bias. Thank you so much for these documentaries, they are all very insightful.
Agree! The documentary team is brilliant! ✨️
I bet this hasn't a lot of likes because most people don't want to hear the truth
Biased against developing country
There was nothing unbiased about this, and it was not a documentary. It showed only your viewpoint. That is why you liked it and found it unbiased. Hold your beliefs, but without intellectual dishonesty.
@@Jan96106 So true. Even documentary itself is never unbiased. The moment people pick up the camera and choose what to film and what to cut, it will all become personal viewpoint.
A great documentary !!! DW please keep this longer, so more people can watch.
I remember as a small child, I was crying my eyes out when 5-6 men were gathering to slaughter a single pig in my village. It was a big event for the family as it meant having meat for a long time.
Now a farmer makes a EUR 20 profit from a single pig (at most). All this "perfection" in killing and suffering, for just EUR 20 in profit for the person doing the most work - the system is totally wrong. And we're paying for this in climate change.
I love DW so so much for using their platform wisely and putting up contents which serve as a voice for the innocent voiceless.. My respect ❤
DW is my favourite channel. I tune in every time I switch on my TV.
DW is good, but there is too much promotion of ideologies. I don't feel like the reasons why a reasonable amount of meat is a good idea were voiced here. Given the video's title, it's definitely biased. That's ok, I still like DW, I'm not expecting them to be 100% unbiased.
@@MrFredericandre kinda.. nowadays we'll have to compromise for unbiased news yk..🙃
Why does Melanie Joy omit that when we began as an agricultural society, dogs were the hunters and the shepherds simultaneously? Maybe we don't eat dogs but we used them for protection in the same way we use pigs and chickens for eating. Dogs didn't start off as cute pets; there's a reason why they are so close to man since millenias ago
Go to SE ASia and have a Dog kebab....same dogs as ours and that's their tradition. and have some spiced cat and raw horse for entree....big world out there, darl.
I thought that segment was going in a different direction at first and about to discuss the impact of pets and their food and the meat industry.
@hermione2655 we started as an agricultural society much later. Before that, people were hunter gatherers.
@@ceeemm1901
Traditions can be very immoral and wrong. They're found in all backward societies where people live like barbarians. Modern people are still barbarians mostly when they follow cruel or thoughtless traditions blindly.
lettuce is a vegetable and its associated with the most bacterial infections EVER in comparison to anything else, including meat.
Listeria is the main, nearly always, problem with those incredibly rare lettuce infections. Listeria comes from the shit and piss of farm animals. Manures and fertilisers are used either too fresh or the lettuce gets contaminated from livestock on the farm or nearby. Lettuce doesn't produce any toxin. Oh and thanks for stating "lettuce is a vegetable", love didactics..
After 30 years of being a vegetarian, I developed irreversible body complaints due to lack of B12. For 7 years I daily took 2x p day Methylcobalamine, a B12 supplement. I functioned well, but not fully. Besides the additives in the tablets were going against he healthy intake of food and nutrients bc it contained red color, stuff that hold the tablet together and what else. So many years of taking the tablets 2 per day meant also taking the unwanted additives. And it is expensive and not everywhere available for instance in African countries where I used to spend longer periods of time. Besides that, being a vegetarian is against food cultures in many countries and I was always left out, sitting somewhere alone in a corner, to eat rice and salads, not even satiating me, while others were sharing a meal. So basically, how much I love all animals and life, I was hurting myself, my own body and I was hurting many others who were offering meals which I refused. It is just not sustainable I had to admit. Now I am off tablets eating 2x per month a meal of fish or chicken, a sacrifice for my health. So I give prayers of gratitude for the sacrificed animal.
me too!!! lots of people , like 20% cant be long term vegans!! 4 critical proteins your body cant make and only in red meat!!
You need a nutritionist then. All the vitamins can be found in vegetables, grains and many other ingredients.
@@walterbarroso7704 absolutely incorrect
@@walterbarroso7704 more than say a few ounces of meat a day is bad though, too much is bad, too little is bad, i can agree humans sedintary need very LITTLE AMOUNT meat
Man, i understand why they felt the need to start the documentary with the family dog, but it was too heartbreaking. We recently had to have one of our dogs put down, and it was just too sad.
It is ok to euthanise animals who are suffering, by injection. Not abuse and torture them and causing suffering especially when there is no need to.
No need to be sad if he or she has not suffered in any way when alive. Billions do not have this fate.
Seriously, people in rich countries are out of touch with the reality of most people in poor countries. Almost most half of the world is starving and can't remove meat from their diet. Its a matter of survival for many of us here in poor countries
A lot of poor people already eat a near vegan diet anyways.
But there were so many caveats in the documentary explaining that this applies to richer countries because there is an element of choice. If you have no choice, you cannot afford to have a moral stance on meat consumption, and therefore you must do what you need to survive. In Europe and North America, we have that choice and yet we continue to harm animals on a grotesque scale. For those who have a choice, continuing to do something that causes harm is wrong. Choice is the key word
That pig sequence was horrific and unsettling.
What an excellent documentary, balanced and so well-argued ♥
Poorly argued, because it uses pigs as the basis of their argument, and pigs aren't food like cows and goats and sheep
This is NOT an excellent, well-researched, balanced documentary 😂😂
It is a plain, cheaply produced piece of vegan propaganda.
I prefer the approach of mr John Harvey Kellogg, a physician and devout Seventh-Day Adventist in Battle Creek, Michigan.
He sharply recognized the dangers of masturbation from eating meat.
Of coarse we shouldn't mention that his healthy cereals launched sugar cravings in children and formed the basis of a solid pre-diabetes in later live.
And please don't forget that red meat is as dangerous as smoking cigarettes! (WHO) 😊
(Ok, OK, just being ironical a bit..❤)
@@andrewcomerford2338 You've never heard of ham and bacon. I eat bacon all the time, and love it. I wrap it around chicken pieces. 🥰
Eye opening information. We need to rethink about our food choices and why we do what we do. Thank you for sharing
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for doing this! I swear I never had teary eyes before while watching a documentary. Seeing these pigs suffocating to death breaks my heart!
Thanks for watching and Sharing your thoughts!
Hope you have gone vegan....watch 'What the health" and "Seaspiracy" to help you systematically transition!
what makes everything messed up is we are overeating. A balance diet is the key, I agree we are not supposed to rely on meat product. But eating it occasionally is not a big problem. which means reduce the meat consumption and diversifying our diet
It is a big problem to the animals that you kill for your occassional meat consumption.
As a farmer, I can testify that even plants are full of life and vigor - when a plant is cut down, you can literally see the life get sucked out of it as it wilts and dies off eventually. What this documentary basically covers is raising moral questions about the cycle of life. I hate to state it but - life is built around the cycle of life and death. One organism has to always sacrifice their life for the other organism to live. Seeds have to die for plants to emerge. Insects have to die for birds to live. Gazelles have to die for lions to live. And definitely, some plants and animals have to die for humans to live. So this romanticized idea of what life is is basically a distortion of truth. There is no other way for humans to live apart from deriving their sustenance from animals and crops - which have to be sacrificed for our continued existence. The alternative is to wipe out humanity - but still this would not stop pigs from being slaughtered by lions, leopards and bears etc.
If they can convince lions to become vegan, then I might entertain the idea. Yes, I am a proud selfish human being who have no regards for animal lives.
Yet another human with the plant argument. 😂 You sound ridiculous. There is a big difference between plants and animals and that is sentience.
BTW, lions are carnivorous animals and humans are omnivores, so yet another failed argument. 🤡
@@AndrewJYing you are proud of being selfish in general ?
@@droidmansky7354 absolutely. Generally. It’s what drives society. A rational human being should be self interested and maximize his or her own interest.
@@AndrewJYing cool, is this rational at the expense of others ?
I'm a vegan already two years, and one question that I always ask myself is why I woke up so late?
Eleven years for me, and I often ask myself the same question. I guess we are products of social conditioning that is difficult to break out of.
@@d.ducky. for me, the starting point was a knowledge about ptomaines in every meat and fish also. Also for me vegan diet is giving me more energy than before. And much of all an understanding that it's not good to eat others live species.
Thank you for this documentary ❤️
Thank you for this amazing Documentary!
I AM FROM SRI LANKA & I FOUND YOU CHANNEL CONTENT GOES WITH MY FEELING & THIS SERIES SPECIALLY HIGLY VALUE TO ME PERSONALLY ACTUALLY YOU ARE REALLY POSITIVELY EVOLVING HUMANITY. IT IS PLEASURE TO CONTRIBUTE YOUR EFFORT BY FEW WORD.
Vegetarians have nervous flighty energy and look like they'll shake and often are slightly slouched.
I don't think we are champions of supresion because we can love pets but eat meat. Even in my home, my pet is subordinate. If I had to choose b/w my pet and anyone in my immediate family, there is zero, ZERO hesitation.
I love my pet, but the love of a pet isn't like the love of a human to me.
"these people" was the term used for the people's of Ancient Mesopotamia.. it is sad that their name wasn't mentioned once in this documentary and given homage to them for their farming techniques.
I was vegan for three years until i had to recently quit for an injury I had, I was very poorly educated about nutritions, so I basically ate bunch carbs and few to nothing veggies, I felt horrible all the time, my body was begging for something nutritious but I never listened to it. I am definitely going back vegan again once I feel more stable and well informed about nutritions. my advice for anyone who's thinking of eating plant based exclusively would be, knowledge knowledge and knowledge, know your shit before doing it, your body will thank you!
I was vegetarian...then transitioned to vegan. So far it's been a positive change. The more plants I eat, the more I want. It feels good. I feel more hydrated, clean, more energy, and calm best way I can put it. You are right! You have to educate yourself on eating vegan. Being vegan is more than eating just salads and veggie burgers. 🥦🥑🥬🍓🫐
It’s so simple though just google foods containing protein zinc iron calcium omega 3 etc then eat rice/pasta for carbs and if your struggling with amino acids eat tofu it contains all essential amino acids.
You should get nutrition from both meat and plants, lacking either isn't good for you.
Unless there is moral reason of some sort
@@LP-kw3kj Okay...going to try to be calm with you here. Research. Look it up. There are an estimated 1.5 Billion vegetarians in the world. And an estimated 79 million vegans in the world. And we're ALIVE and well. Figure THAT out. Human Beings do not have to eat animals to live, thrive and be healthy. Contrary to what you have been taught to believe. Basically brainwashed.
DW documentaries never dissapoint, Thank you team for all your efforts
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Fun fact, plants are living things like animals.
And they developed tons of different toxins, cuz they don`t want to be eaten
As a person of science, I found the approach in this video is one of the best to discuss this topic and the parameters were spot on! Brilliant job, team DW!
Thanks for watching:)
As a person of science, I found this video very biased! Where is the strong evidence showing the high prevalence of depression, anxiety, and other mental disorders among vegetarians? The problem is not only Vit. B12, it is choline, creatine, and many other micronutrients mainly found in meat...
@@rezaghiasvand2216Well said.❤
@rezaghiasvand2216 I became a vegan because of a depression and never felled better. It's also very difficult to determine if depression is actually caused by a specific diet or that many other psychological factors influence the results.
I turned vegetarian about 10 years ago for medical reasons. Later, when those reasons were no longer applicable, I maintained my vegetarian diet, gradually transforming it to a vegan one, primarily due to moral reasons. I don't judge anyone for their dietary choices and don't expect to be judged for mine. Occasionally I hanker after bacon or a steak or cheese but I am quite satisfied with my diet. One thing that really helped was going on a three month retreat in Northern Thailand during my convalescence where I realised that animal products are not necessary for a satisfying diet. Meat-eaters would be surprised at the variety and pleasure a fruit/vegetable/soy-based diet can afford you. Occasionally, for cultural reasons - I live in the Philippines, where pork, fish and chicken are major dietary staples - I accept the offer of animal products but I am usually able to refrain from consuming them with strategic white lies, supported by my wife, concerning my 'delicate' constitution. That way I avoid offending my hosts while simultaneously maintaining my dietary choices.
How do you know someone is vegan? They tell you
What difference between vegan and vegetarian
@@yourlandladysson6395 Vegan is, dietary, no animal products at all - no milk, yoghurt, cheese, etc. Vegetarian allows animal products that are not meat.
@@joshuarizalforeman816 oh thanks, 👍
@@galgamekthegreatlord4823 Not at all. I make my choices and I would hope that people respect mine. I never tout my dietary /moral choices and don't impose my beliefs on others. I proffer non-moral reasons for my decision not to eat animal products.
I wonder and would like to hear more about whether population explosion led to agriculture and domestication, or whether agriculture and domestication led to population explosion.
Both.
The question is how can we stop the current population explosion?
When I was 13, the world population reached 7 billion. Ten years later it's 8 billion
All sources say the latter.
@@CordeliaWagner start with yourself.
@riverbend7846it was the norm in the "west" twenty years ago; we are lucky to see that the global trend reached the poorest regions of the world already. yes, you need at least some working birth control to control birth rate but luckily, poor women are having it more and more. women don't want to spend their lives pregnant.
I love my garden plants but I eat them too😂
😅
You are committing a violent massacre against the plants!!
Do your garden plants start squealing in terror when you pull them out of the ground?
@@momofighter3211 😃
Not the most intelligent comment.Try engaging the organ between your ears
This document series is outstanding. And the graphics of the people with the face sausage meats for heads? At 13:33? Mastery!
I'm using this videos to learn english and learn about different topics. You guys have a lot of interesting material that i didn't know. I love to know how world works, very nice work you all.
You should only be vegetarian or vegan with a nutritional education. Take a few college courses so you know how to get the essential amino acid that you must get from food. Meat is the obvious source but combining foods like rice and beans can do the same trick.
I know so many that went vegetarian or vegan and became very ill.
Cannot replace it, nope. Tons of ex-vegans here.
@MACTEP_CHOB if you take a nutrition class you will find that yes you can replace them but you have to do it in a specific way
@@MACTEP_CHOB You didn't read his comment. Have a nutritional education he said. That's the lesson you didn't get.
Usually, scientists tend to be more cautious extrapolating what we know about modern hunter-gatherers to our hunter-gatherers forefathers than what is shown in this documentary.
Modern hunter-gatherers live in extreme conditions that affect all aspects of their life including their diets. Not all ancient hunter-gatherers lived in those conditions. Therefore, one can’t say that because modern hunter-gatherers derive most of their energy from meat, that must be what we have evolved doing. It would have been nice to see a better-structured evolutionary argument.
It's not just the vit B12 we need from animal source, but essential amino-acids which are the building blocks for our cells and can not be derived from plants. Somehow it is completely bypassed in this documentary. There should be at least milk and eggs in our diet.
B12 comes from bacteria and the destruction of our soil and use of antibiotics etc reduces this. Complete amino acids can be achieved from plants as far as I know. Vegan/vegetarian societies are doing just fine.
Which essential amino acids are not available in plants?
Then how do you explain vegan athletes?
Rice And beans
Carbon Dioxide suffocation is one of the worst ways to die. Why would they do that to pigs?
Nitrogen suffocation would be more pleasant (it is not detectable to the body and they would just sleep).
The reality is that the companies simply want cheap carbon dioxide. nitrogen is more expensive.
Awesome documentary channel! Great contents!
I tried to go vegetarian... but ended up very weak and ill within two weeks. I wound up with iron deficiency anemia because my allergies and sensitivities prevent me from eating 90% of the available fruits and vegetables in the supermarkets... I don't like it, but right now I don't have a choice but to go along with societal norms. However, I'm working hard to save up to start my own organic farm where I can grow alternative foods that I'm not allergic to~ I'll still eat meat, mainly because I'm an omnivore, but I want to change my source to a more humane one and continue reducing the amount until I reach the bare minimum my body needs. In a perfect world? I'd only eat animals I raise, hunt, and fish for myself so that I will know that the poor creature didn't suffer unnecessarily. It breaks my heart to harm any living thing, even plants... but.... I gotta eat.
Your situation is understandable. One step at a time, and good luck with your future farm. I was raised on a meat heavy diet so making the shift has been hard. Right now the only meat in our household is chicken once a week.
I am a vegetarian since my birth...i have been a top athelete in the school ...even at the age of 49 i could run 22 km with 24 hours fasted state...let the body learn the idea of vegetarianism
A Good and real documentary, awaiting for another part.
I think it will be easy to take decision when one think about whether to live for eating or to eat for living.
I'm not a vegetarian, but one interesting thing I've noticed is that it's the vegetarians and vegans that get lectured by meat eaters about their choices lol, not the other way around.
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What is the difference between eating animals and plants? In both cases, you are eating another living being in order to live
Deep as a puddle....ever heard of a central nervous system?
@10:42 argon does not induce the same stress response, but still displaces O2, thereby suffocating.
but argon is more expensive than CO2.
@18:43 animal domestication (v. plant domestication) was also part of "agriculture": pigs, cows, horses, sheep, goats, chickens, ducks, dogs, cats,...
@4:16 @30:54 some cultures eat dogs, cats, horses, insects, and a wide array of fish/sea crustaceans... some cultures do not eat pigs (too dirty) or cows (too sacred).
For DW documentary, please ad the youtubers that get shown in your vids to have their youtube links in the dubliodo it makes them easier to follow
And you can then also reply to their farcical ideas too. Great idea.
It's interesting that these historians claim that hunters and gatherers' diets consists of 60% meat, when newer studies say at most, historically (and even currently) it's actually only around 30%.
Yeah, sure buddy. Even Ancient Greeks had it at 60-80%
If I try petting the dog with one hand while having a piece of meat on the other, the dog would definetely try to grab the the meat from me! Is the dog wrong?
We can observe vitamins and protien from plants
I always said that killing wasn't my problem, I didn't like the way animals suffer during their lives before becoming a meal. But this video made me see how much they suffer...even to die! I don't think I will be able to eat meat anymore.
Most meat processors are careful not to stress animals at slaughter because the adrenaline spoils the meat which is not good for business.
Well done video. What I think was not pointed out enough is that we are not all the same so there is no "one size fits all" answer to if we need meat. Depending on ancestry and where we come from we have different needs and different foods that we need to thrive. Some people do really well being vegan or vegetarian or eating only plant based. Others do not. So again - it is not only one approach for everyone. What has to be worked on however, and that goes universally: we need to find more humane ways of treating animals the right way if we do want to eat them. Our ancestors always made sure of that. We just hunted what we needed and used every little bit of the animal, we did not waste. All the indigenous cultures made that a point. We treated the animals with respect. We need to be aware that they give their lives in order for us to have this food. We should give thanks and be much more grateful. There is no place for cruelty or for hurting or torturing them.
There were 3 camps during the debate on slavery:
1/ one wanted to continue slavery because they believed in race hierarchy.
2/ the second was talking about welfare, meaning treating slaves with dignity
3/ the abolitionists who refused categorically slavery and fought to ban it from the Earth.
There's no humane of killing any living being with emotions and pain perception. Hope you get that hard in your head before you say anything regarding humane ways of killing. It's 2023 FFS
@@aesthetic15912 yes it’s 2023 but we still cannot live from love and light.
@@IloveCamels335 You can live without killing a living being which is sentient. Millions of people are living on the planet already.
@@aesthetic15912 so killing plants (plants move, comunicate and now we kno they let out an ultrasound scream when injured or when dying of thirst) is more moraly ok than killing animals? What about fungus-they create large networks and the biggest one is storing more information than curent best supercomputer does...
Also when we are talking about plants e kno they can recognize different humans-if you walk by a plant and break its leave it will react by increasing electricity in its body when you walk around (but just whe the person who does this and never does it when someone else does it=it knows you hurt it in the past and its trying to defend itself)-it it still ok to kill the plant?
Thank you for a great (and unbiased) documentary ❤
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for watching!
Dogs were domesticated becuase they served a function. That function was helping hunt, protect, provide warmth etc. Sheep, Cows, goats, chicken etc beause their role was to serve as a food source. Each animal was domesticate for a particular role. Once an animal has been breed for a specific role they are selectively breed and therefore their genes are optimized to serve that role which would then make it impractical to switch a dog into become food when their genes have been selected for very different features. Lets not over-complicate these logical issues and how things have come to be.
I am a meat-eater. I despise animal factory farming . I slaughter my own animals when I can and I try to eat pasture raised meat when I can’t .
I will not entertain the morality pedestal because this world doesn’t run on morality . Meat is meat, be it dog, cow, moose, rat, alligator . All meat is edible . I of course prefer to eat ruminant meat because that’s how I was brought up but I understand in other parts of the world they may eat animals I wouldn’t consider to eat and that’s fine because meat Is meat However I do believe if you’re going to consume meat it is your duty to slaughter your own meat or at least know where your food is coming from .
As someone who’s plant based, I agree with your take 💯
There's no "good" way of treating animals being killed, period. The doc doesn't even include the dairy industry and the horrific treatment of animals there whom ultimately end up at the slaughter houses anyway. Melanie Joy is an excellent communicator and doesn't alienate people who "prefer" to eat animals despite knowing well what's happening behind the scenes, plant based movement owes her much. Just think about it, there are 60 billion live domestic animals in the world waiting to get killed to be served to humans and yet you see none of them in your lives, none... for a good reason.
I transitioned into pescatarian in hope to morph into a vegetarian and eventually vegan someday! All because of animal rights. I was brought up omnivorous and every meal, there was meat. I curb my craving towards my fave like fried chicken, pork and a good steak by imagining the animals born, bred just to die in an inhumane way for us to consume. Also, after reading the book Tender is the Flesh where human beings were being bred and slaughtered for meat in the future.
I really enjoy the DW documentaries. Very balanced in their views and presentations. Thank you!
Thanks for watching, we are glad you enjoyed the documentary :)
Instead of trying to convince people not to eat meat we should respect the animal, giving it a good high quality life, (short no doubt), and a humane painless slaughter. We have forgotten how to respect the animals that feed us.
Respecting them but murdering them?
Your ethics are VERY CONCERNING.
@@CordeliaWagner
Do you grow your own produce?
You can never make them happy so don't even try. I hunt and fish as well and I love it.
@@CordeliaWagner True we should just not respect them instead, thanks for convincing me.
Eating to nourish our bodies and protect our planet, that's the goal.
Most food was gathered, not hunted. Meat was still rare. But the point of "all we had to do was be annoying".
That's right they were actually "Gathers and Hunters". Not every day was a catch, but every day was a collect. But hey they only found bones around those paleo cave sites. Did they find banana peels? pea shells? corn cobs? apple cores? NO! So they must have only eaten MEAT..Doh!, "I yoosta been shlow, bud oym nod so bad now..."
the only thing you can gather during an ice age is ice cubes
Study Indian culture deeply then understand so many things. Undiscovered.
My family by faith is a vegetarian and me too, when I am in 5th grade my friends made me eat chicken and I slowly addicted to it.
When I am 22 years old I came back to vegetarianism and felt happy.
No regrets no hard feelings.
If I have available food options I will turn into a vegan in the near future.
There are many things that we don't "need" to do but that we do because they make us happy, make us feel good, nourish our soul.
nourish our stomachs not our souls - eating another soul is not nourishing
We also don't have to steal from others, even though it can feel good. But that's still not a good thing, right?
Are you quoting Dahmer ?
@@lorissupportguides💀🤣
You justify the torture of animals to nourish your soul?
I know most of the these sort of hot topic documentaries are biased, but that doesn't change the fact that it still annoys me. Flat out saying 'we don't need meat to be healthy' is incredibly biased considering more than a few vegans/vegetarians started adding in meat despite taking supplementation because it ultimately wasn't working for them, and we're not hearing the counter arguments by the omnivores or carnivores either.
China is the biggest consumer of dog meat globally, consuming an estimated 10 million dogs (and four million cats) per year. Dog meat has been a tradition in China for thousands of years and is still eaten in many regions of the country.
Very well explained! I'll definitely be sharing this.
If my hamburger was a golden retriever not a beef, then who i would share it with?!, I love the look of my pet "cat/dog" when i serve them some of my hamburger .... it feels like Carnivores gang 😂
i made some human patties, wanna share?
@@ahrmr SORRY I don't eat other carnivores, only herbivores, they feed on grass and we feed on them with my carnivores friends ... this is how it works honey, If I killed a lion, I won't eat it, and If I killed a deer, I'll make a barbecue
Suffocating the pigs with CO2 seems way inhumane than the old fashion way; not that the old fashion way is humane, either… 😢
How do you kill something that doesn't want to die?
To all the vegs out there, please remember plants are also living things that can feel pain like any other animal.
So better just don't eat at all.
Plants don’t have a nervous system.
If you like eating meat than eat meat, nobody should be allowed to tell you what you can eat and what you can't. Factory or whatever.
To the DW team: Thank you for another stellar documentary and compelling presentation of a critical social issue! Always a joy to see and learn through your research 🙏
To other viewers: That footage of the "stunning" of pigs was so heartbreaking that it reminded me of gas chambers under the Nazi regime. The systematization and automation of cruelty is truly astounding.
I would even argue that we as a society haven't progressed to the level of true civilization until we seriously question, revise, and eradicate such inhumane practices.
We are only human to the degree that we exercise humanity. And these practices are subhuman 💔
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment!
very well said!
Spot on!
Notice that we often have pets who are carnivorous - dogs, and cats, because they also eat herbivores. Even most fish are carnivorous, but there are a few herbivores. Your dog would and does eat the same animal that you do, and your cat can actually do the same. With Regenerative Agriculture, the animals have a good life, help grow soil, improve water retention, improve wildlife habitat, and have one bad moment. Vegans are supporting a large conventional farm tillage model where animals are removed from the farm, the production of seeds, vegetables, and greens compete directly with wildlife. Regenerative practices also improve the plant farming process, but adding in animals improves farming lands as well. Growing your own food includes animals, and the animals can be just as appreciated producing milk and eggs (and fiber), then used for meat. The carbs that are fed to the animals are the real issue. Cows are not grain-ivores, and the amount of chemical sprays are taking the mineral content out of all conventionally farmed food. Veganism is very dangerous for the majority of people who also can't get the highest quality foods and many people can't absorb b12 from pills. People are also in need of calcium from sources that are not full of kidney stone causing greens.
I don't want to start a discussion I would like to encourage you to inform yourself a bit more about the questions; how does meat production effect the environment (for expl. deforestration, growing soy, CO2)
For the ethics you could ask yourself questions Like, in which way do we differ from cow etc, are these differences a sufficient justification for slaughtering them?
In case you come up with differences like higher intelligence you could further ask yourself If these differences should also justificate killing humans with an equal IQ to pigs (of course Not)
There are enough reasons and questions to give and I hope some people who read this will think deeper about the topic
Wonderful work behind this documentary!
Awesome!
Well that's not the case for everyone. The fact is no matter what, if we are attached to something, living or non living we feel for it. Eating animals isn't necessarily bad , but I guess there should be a humane aspect about it as well and factory farming often doesn't go well in that .
We been eating meat for hundred of thousands of years we did not evolved by eating vegetables most of the vegetables we know did not existed 500-1000 years ago
24 minute vegan dude - there are so many more nutrients in dairy, meat, eggs, etc., saying "calcium" about cheese - how about some vitamin K2? in cheese and egg yolks? my home country doesn't sell natto which also has K2.
then again, nutrients from animal sources seem to be easier absorbed than from plant sources.