Monarch 612 Lathe Restoration: Installing an Aloris DA Tool Post, Chuck, and Making First Cuts!
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- Monarch 612 Lathe Restoration: Installing an Aloris DA Tool Post, Chuck, and Making First Cuts!
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What happened to the bathtub of Evaporust?
Great to see the Tally Ho capstan base , clean and ready for a new cast cap!
Pretty sure the first "job" for the lathe is machining the capstan base for it's powered conversion.
Anyone else get flashbacks from shop class as Keith was installing that chuck without a board on the ways? I recall teachers hollering at students doing that.
Those ways are hardened and if you’re careful it doesn’t hurt them. Still, a board to protect them is always good practice.
In my shop class we had cradles to support the chucks, handles front and rear for lifting. I made some for my lathe many years later.
B. S.!@@ellieprice363
Yeah, he sometimes does things that makes me cringe...
if you look closely the chucks diameter is small enough that its resting on the 'Inner" ways which only the tail stock and steady rest use, neither of which will ever be in the chuck area so no real harm in regards of function of the machine just aesthetics. a lot of older Lathes I've seen are pretty beat up in this area anyways from years of little nicks and bumps.
I’m surprised you didn’t soak the pieces in Evaporust to remove the rust.
Taking that Aloris tool post apart and reassembling it was a good learning experience for me. The three start thread and matching movable cams continues to be a very valuable and useful invention by Mr. Sirola. “Aloris” is the inventor’s name spelled backwards.
Good morning Keith, that is a big boy's tool post! I think the guy who made that jib crane assumed that you would swing in from the back of the lathe rather than the front with the post being offset to the rear, then the load wouldn't want to move as much when you lift it.
Was going to say the same thing. Anyone else cringe when he set that chuck on the ways without wood protection?
He said the cart was too wide to fit between the lathe's...
He did 😁, the chuck cradle wants a smaller cart but it sounds like he wants to build a new crane anyway
A trick we used to use at work was put the come-along on upside down then you have the ratchet down low mor convenient.
It’s funny how obvious simple ideas can seem. Good one!
Your mention of your friend having worked for Cincinnati Milacron brought to mind we had a body shop full of Cincinnati Milacron T3's as spot welding robots back in '95. They were beasts and could rip a Suburban body off the carrier and fling it around like it was a toy. In 1990, ABB bought the robotics business of Cincinnati Milacron in the Us and the Cincinnati robots were gradually phased out for ABB robots.
I think you'd benefit most with an overhead beam and trolley system designed to be able to move on a second set of two beams and trolley that will allow you to lift and move things in every direction above the lathes
That 3 jaw chuck is a work of art. As an amateur, I've never seen anything like it.
OMG! My sphincter tightened and my toes began to ache when I saw the little crane bend.... LOL!!! Thank you as always Mr. Rucker! Since retirement, my new career in watching people move metal is awesome! 😊
Exciting to see that machine finally making some chips!
It's alive, it's alive!
Congrats on the big milestone - looking forward to seeing what you do with the beast. That chuck is a monster - it probably weighs more than my whole lathe!
Great to see that lathe making chips! Looking forward to seeing it put to work.
Hi Keith A couple of observations I was surprised you had that chuck clonking around on the ways, why not use a plank of wood on the ways then the chuck? and I seem to remember you used to have a tank of Evaporust wouldn't that have been perfect for cleaning up the tool post.
Ditto - cringed when chuck banged against ways thinking get out the plywood please
Keith, you used to use evaporust for everything, as of late you do not use it at all!
Did you loose the sponsorship?
JIM 🎉
I’m guessing the name- brand stuff is a little too expensive for general use when white vinegar at $2.00 gallon works just as well. After the vinegar soak the light acidic action must be neutralized and the part dried and coated with oil.
@@ellieprice363,Yea, but Keith already built a vat and had put at least a 55 gallon drum of Evaporust in it, it had a lid too so it wouldn’t evaporate. I wonder if he still has it, that Aloris tool hold and those Chuck’s would have been a perfect use for that stuff. Maybe not enough time in a day because you should probably let whatever you’re working on soak overnight for best results.
yeay team, first chips on the monarch. its been a great project to watch.
Great to see it running so well after all your careful work.
Making chips, well done Keith.
Congratulations, first cut! This was very cool.
Keith says at 29:27 the cart is a bit too big to fit behind the lathe so i guess that is why he is picking up from the front.
I was hoping for a bunch of parts to go into your giant vat of evaporust! I guess I never thought about it before but I didn't know tool posts had those giant screws in them like that!
That crane sure looks like it was meant to lift the work from behind the machine. Which makes sense, so you don't risk smashing the controls.
He said the cart was too wide to fit between the lathe's...
Why not use your tank of Evapo-Rust? Also (Lathe Care & Maintenance) Never lay your chucks or any tools on the Ways!
I was thinking exactly the same thing... don't grease it yet, evapo-rust it first! 😬
Nice job. What a beautiful lathe. And, as usual, I learned stuff. Thank you!
It might help to put a piece of plywood across your ways to put the chuck on so it does not damage anything.
That Cushman Chuck has really nice features. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Keith, you can wire wheel and then boil your rusty steel parts, and it will convert the red oxide rust into black oxide. Still need to rub down/wire wheel off the flaky red before and after the boiling, and you just repeat the boil-rub down-boil cycle until only black oxide is left. Then, just treat it like any other black oxide coating
Just a hard learned lesson, when tapping a tee nut, stop the tap just short of forming the threads all the way through. Make it so a bolt won't thread all the way through the nut to prevent forcing against the bottom of the slot accidentally.
Sounds like the capstan will be making an appearance.😊
I could see it sitting in the background on a pallet so it’s probably going to happen real soon.
I agree with @davidt8438 Evaporust would have done a better job by removing the most rust and converting any left into a stable form.
The phrase that springs to mind is “Don’t spoil the ship for a ha’porth of tar”
With the magic of editing you could have done a long soak in Evaporust and gotten a non abrasive way of removing the rust. At the very least a brass wire wheel would have removed the rust without the aggressive action of a steel wire wheel. But I know the comment section of this site doesn’t take kindly to any kind of criticism so let’s just agree that it would have been an option.
I agree. Evaporust would have removed what it could and converted any surface rust left to a stable form
I'm surprised he didn't cause I think he has a big tank of it.
The classic way of rust bluing firearms is boiling in water to convert the rust then carding with a fine wire brush to remove the fuzz.
So I am going with Leo’s capstan for the next job. I saw it in the background on the floor and the top should be ready soon. What ever it is, I can’t wait to see the lathe used .👍🇬🇧
It's ALIVE !
I admire your taste in machine tools, all top shelf kit. I think you have the best home shop on you tube.
What a gorgeous set up. You really turned some beat up equipment into pure jewelry.
Kudos
Frank
Should've lifted the chuck on from the other side of the lathe to have your jib crane pivoted out over the floor, if you're going to mount from this side you would need the pivot arm moved to this side of the lathe or extend the boom on the jib crane (you may have to put extra support on the mounting arm etc though).
He said the cart was too wide to fit between the lathe's...
@@m9ovich785 well that's a bugger, needs a thinner cart then lol
Really impressive to see that working. I will say I think the crane needs to be near the top of the list. What I saw you do today is a finger smasher waiting to happen.
I think the chucks are meant to be loaded from the back of the lathe , not the operators side, judging by the cranes pivot point. Would save the finger mangling possibility, or at least reduce it lapse of attention senior moments.
@@littleworkshopofhorrors2395 As Keith said, it does not fit at present, I too would seek to accommodate a useful addition such as the jib crane and chuck cart. Trouble is... which lathe to move, or even rework the cart a bit. A lot to ponder.
@@CothranMike the cart is fine and the crane is fine, its just that it looks like the cart should be at the rear where the crane could lift a chuck straight up and then swing Inboard.
I remember when you brought that big lathe into your shop! It has been years; but well worth all the work you put into it! Ted Miles long time watcher
Definitely need to improve the crane. Great work as always.
Wow it’s been a long time coming! Congratulations Keith.
Thank you Keith!
I saw a guy online that did a home DIY nickel plating on his tool holders to keep them from rusting...have you ever done a video on that?
Very cool on clean up and setup of the tool post!
Awesome stuff! Keep em coming!!!!
Your happiness is hard to contain but it’s beautiful to watch. Thanks for sharing. I know that chuck was so heavy it may have broken a piece of wood between the ways. That chuck is art.
ArmoredPepperDuex the way to prevent ways damage from mounting and dismounting chucks and faceplates is to place a device, prepared well in advance, which has wooden riser blocks connected at the bottom which drops between the ways in question and supports any falls or even scratching, had an oldtimers adjustable way caddie in a shop I worked at which fit the purpose. Very handy and easy to store with the chuck cart.
Thanks for sharing Keith
Years back as an engineering student I was shown round the Swindon railway works. Nothing there was small. They had the mother and father of a travelling crane, ran down each side of the building, spanning everything. I’ve often thought Keith would really benefit from a proper crane. Any one got one going spare ?
I also went round the Swindon Railway works. My late father-in-law was a chargehand coppersmith there. After it closed it became a designer outlet centre. Some of the old cranes and other pieces of equipment are still there.
@@petertitterton6836 rather a sad come down for what in its prime was one of the worlds greatest engineering works.
Great video! Thank you Keith!
That is a nice chuck. You could flip the inner and outer jaws around and get what looks like 6-8in of engagement on the part. You can really get a good hold on your parts.
If you are going to be changing the 3 and 4 jaw chucks over on a more frequent basis, I suggest you sort your crane out ASAP before one of you gets injured!
It's great to see some actual machining done for a change. Thanks, Keith. 🏴⚒️
Single point threading is always magic!
thank you Keith
It's great to see this lathe making chips.
Thanks Keith! Nice vid. Please check your audio. Thanks
I love how you do what is reasonably necessary without going to great lengths to repair/replace/remachine every little aspect. Its a glimpse into a real life shop where stuff needs to get done, not necessarily to make video content. One of my favorite channels for a long time now! All of the woodwork/metalwork channels are trying to outdo each other and its giving amateur/novice viewers an inaccurate depiction of the trades..
It's kind of funny watching you use this large handle with the big tap when earlier I watched Curtis of CEE sweating using a 2.8mm tap hoping not to break it.
I rather tap a 1 inch hole then a 2.8mm one😂
Tapped plenty of m24 and m30 holes by hand but I hate the small sizes under m5.
*Kurtis
oh boy Keith, I was holding my breath when you were moving that chuck over. I was hoping you were going to put some wood in there to protect your ways. did you clean the scroll out after all that wire wheeling and scotch brite work.
“I kind of got an idea on something I can build.” - Keith Rucker
See a problem, solve a problem.
Love it.
Keith you should put plywood to protec the lathe bed of that big boy. Keep on
The scroll on that 3 jaw chuck is the slowest I have ever seen. One think I would love for you to show is cutting a 2 or 3 point thread like is on that tool post. I have seen lots of single point threads cut on you tube but never any thing else.
Awesome work as always.
Really nice to see an old lathe have new life breathed into it.
Of course to restore a lathe you first have to own a lathe 😂😂👍
If I were to guess, I’d just about bet dollars to donuts that the large machining job that you have coming up is the new cast winch capstan for Leo’s Tally Ho Boat restoration that’s being cast over at Windy Hill Foundry.
Can’t tell you how much I’m looking forward to this next series on that project Kieth, it combines two of my passions - boats and machining. 👍👍👍🇦🇺
WOW,! A very big moment. First chips on the Monarch 10 EE lathe. CONGRATULATIONS,Sir.
Wrong lathe. This is a Monarch 612... his biggest lathe. Monarch 10EE is a small toolroom lathe...same company, but very different product.
@@ratdude747 Ah my bad! Sorry
Love the sound of the rain frogs in the background. Brings back memories of the shop at my grandparents farm
good job keith
I'm only 2 minutes in but I can tell this is going to be a good one! Can't wait to see that 612 making chips!
I see the Tally Ho Capstan casting fitted up in that lather for machining
Great job
Years in the making. Looks beautiful. Congrats on the first chips from that. I have seen most if not all of the videos on that rebuild.
Be sure to prop the jaws of your vise on the opposite side of your workpiece when clamping the workpiece at the end of the jaw like this: 9:18
Nice ! Would that big job have anything to do with a sailboat? 😁😁
That’s my bet.
Congratulations Keith on a job well done!
You really want to look at Evaporust. It just removes the rust and leaves the part clean. Perfect for getting into the nooks and crannies of a part like that tool post. Just so nice and just takes a bit of time. It doesn't leave anything being like other rust removers and doesn't burn you either. Just makes like so easy.
Keith has a tank of Evaporust I really dont understand why he didnt use it unless these videos are all out of date sequence,
I guess you are going to need this lathe to machine the Tally Ho capstan, which looks like it is on the crate by the forge. Saw a preview of Clark casting a prototype capstan top which was broken in your shop when dismantling it. Cant wait to see it being machined and put back to working order.
You might want to make a chuck for the tail stock similar to the one Curtis of CEE made for his big lathe.
You beet me to that. Comment. Same. Idea I Thought.
Great job Keith you have a very nice machine. As alway you do very fine work. Looking forward to see you use it in the future.
Good morning, Keith :)
Looks like so much fun!
Please make a bed board for chuck changing !!!
Congratulations!!!!
A board across the ways would be really cheap insurance while mounting that chuck. That chain looks pretty spindly
Naa, chain made in China will lift ANYTHING!
I think you should put a board on the ways to keep from dinging them up. Chuck is heavy and wouldn’t take much to mar machine. Just thinkin
A very good video. Thank you very much.
Thank you for sharing.👍
Great to see the first chips!
Good morning Keith. Have a great weekend!
Fine looking machine
Most excellent.
Looking forward to seeing you put this to work!
I wonder if they loaded the chucks from the back of the lathe and that’s why it doesn’t swing over the front?
I think that jib crane was meant to be used from the rear of the lathe.
I am surprised they didn't use the rivets as studs to tie the wires to
I had a similar problem in another lathe having the cutters too high. I ended milling out a quarter-inch of the bottom of the toolholders.
Thanks for sharing 😅
Good morning Keith, this was a great video. To see it make chips I'm sure was very rewarding. I read all the comments below so will not cover all the questions already asked. But, I still am wondering about the missing bolts or studs on the tailstock? I'm a stickler for not short cutting projects by not putting all the fasteners back in place. It seems to me they are needed to generate the proper clamping pressure equally of the tailstock to the bed ways. Did you have to order them or ?????
Thanks for sharing.
My Chuck on my Walcott is a 4 jaw independent / Scroll chuck, similar design to yours. Everything I chuck in that thing goes to .0000. I am rapidly wanting to use anything but a 4 jaw.
So your job for this lathe is the top piece of tally ho capstan I know that windy hill founder is about ready to have it ready
Eye Spy a Capstan
Assuming you are a one-man business? I cannot imagine how much you have invested in the machinery in your shop!
Thanks for sharing
Tapping that hole made my back hurt!😊😊
What happened to the huge Evaporust tank?