Yamaha YXZ vs Honda Talon - UTV Action Magazine
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2019
- If you want the trill and control of shifting through gears on a new
UTV or are just tired breaking belts you have two brands to choose
from; Honda and Yamaha. This test pits the 64”inch wide Honda Talon 1000X against Yamaha’s YXZ1000R SS with paddle shifters. Which one came out on top? Well you'll have to wait and see by watching the video to the very end. Our testing staff put countless hours on these machines to deliver you the most comprehensive and detailed shoot out to date. Enjoy and don't forget to hit that subscribe button.
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Both are great machines. I have had the yxz for two years and it has been absolutely reliable. I love being able to drop down a gear and rip around turns. Its so exciting to drive. It never gets old.
I recently had the opportunity to compare the new Talon R vs. my 2017 YXZ SS with Packard SC. I Spent the day at Sand Hollow rock climbing and riding dunes. I swapped back and forth between both machines frequently. As an effort to even the playing field during the comparison the Packard Charged YXZ carried additional ~300-350lbs ( passenger & cargo) the stock Talon R had 180-220lb single driver (no passenger no cargo).
Results as follows:
Drag racing (sand): Talon has the edge due to torque advantage and traction, although the YXZ always runs Talon down especially if the YXZ is initially launched from high rpms.
Drag racing (gravel/ hardpack):
Talon gets the jump everytime.. The Talons tires are surprisingly good as compared to brand new 28x10 terramasters installed on the YXZ, again the YXZ overtakes the talon mid third gear but the Talon is surprisingly quick and consistent out of the hole.
Sand dunes (steep hill climbs):
Talon climbs dunes with ease, torque + wider rear tires, Talon edges out the YXZ & the Talons transmission keeps the engine in the heart of the torque curve and to our surprise climbed right up the "infamous" backside of the dunes fairly easy.
Rock Climbing:
Despite not having the ability to see the front tires over the hood the Talon easily wins this comparison, the Talons motor has plenty of torque on tap, engine braking in low range is superior to the YXZ even in high range the Talons torque made obstacles easy. The Talon simply outperformed the YXZ in every single rock climbing scenerio.
High/ low speed Rocky trail riding:
YXZ wins this comparison due to better suspension less body roll and precise steering. (YXZ equipped with base Fox RC2s)
Jumps & high speed sending it:
I'm calling this a draw.. Talon performed slightly better on the big steep faced jumps (multiple nose dives & frequent bottoming out experienced on both machines) The Talon R has more travel than the YXZ therefore bottoming out in the Talon was a bit less harsh in full firm shock settings ,, but the YXZ suspension/ springs were set for trail riding ---pre load was not dialed in for big jumps.
Overall engine & Transmission/ performance:
The talon wins this comparison, the engine & transmission+ power delivery is more refined than the YXZ, the Talon simply outperformed the YXZ in this segment, the engine consistently and predictively pulls hard..especially in sport mode, plus you can select auto regular mode and lug the engine if you into that sort of thing..
Chassis & Suspension:
The YXZ is more planted below 60mph but the Talons steering is less twitchy at higher speeds on smoother gravel roads.The YXZ chassis feels more rigid but somehow more connected & comfortable.
Fit & finish:
Regardless of the Honda quality hype,,, the YXZ is built better, fasteners/hardware & build quality IMO Yamaha is the better built machine. During the comparison the Talons odometer was 300 miles basically brand new machine vs the YXZ's 2000+ miles. The older higher mileage YXZ chassis is still tight with minimal rattles/ squeeks and no clunky noises. The Talons doors constantly rattle even after full adjustment there was a intermittent loud clunky noise somewhere near the front diff especially noticeable when rock climbing. I'm the real rough stuff the Talons chassis sometimes feels loose & disconnected --similar to AC products--🧐, in addition, the Talons center mount digital screen is plain cheap outdated junk..
Regardless at the end of the day I feel the Talon is a great machine, would be excellent with chassis/suspension & display refinements. The YXZ is decent chassis with an outdated transmission and engine but is fun to drive ,, that fun somehow never gets old..
If I was to purchase a new machine today I would lean towards the Talon X as the motor and transmission is at this moment far ahead of YXZ..😁
Your kinda all over the place but I respect your comment. The YXZ is a proven machine and very well built. So fun to drive. My opinion is it blows the Talon away. It’s amazing how good the YXZ feels just to sit in. The transmission is awesome and so is the 11k rpm engine...But there are a lot of haters out there...
@@DUNEATV Yes there is always haters.. I'm not one of them though. I've owned too many Yamaha ATV'S, Motorcycles, & SXS's and they've all been reliable "good units". I can't say that about the Polaris & Arctic cats I've previously owned. That being said I'm not loyal to any brand ( although my garage is full of Yamahas) my comments are totally unbiased and based on a full day of first hand testing & comparing both machines in my riding area. Neither machine is anywhere close to perfect, Fact is all of the UTV manufacturing companies have certain shortcomings e.g. drilling extra drainage holes in our YXZ skid plates to protect our frames from corrosion 😄...
IMO Honda has surpassed Yamaha in a few key areas The YXZ doesn't blow the Talon out of the water in anything other than instrumentation & suspension. I'm not sure how reliable the Talon Engine and transmission will be.
Watch my other Talon vs YXZ videos..
At the end of the day, competition between manufactures will only benefit the consumer. In other words, Yamaha will have to continue to improve the YXZ lineup, hopefully the next gen YXZ will be offered in a WR model?? 6speed with Low range transmission and perhaps better roll cage than the current 2019 model.
JTH YZ250X 😬...well I can’t argue with that! Lol! You make a lot of good points...
I have the 2019 YXZ SS SE, it is much improved over the older YXZ's, I can compare because I put 9000 miles on a 2016 YXZ SE. This video is a good comparison of the facts between the 2019 YXZ SS SE and the Talon. I now have 2600 miles on my 2019 YXZ, and would not trade it for any SXS in stock form. It is very comfortable to drive, fast, you can paddle shift with your little finger, and it downshifts automatically if you want to. The triple cylinder engine is very smooth, and the fun factor is off the charts!
@@rodneysessions7463 Thank you for commenting. I've spent some time in the 2019 SS, Yamaha did a great job, The upgraded connecting rods, tranny and brakes made it a whole new machine. 2019 SS with a GYTR turbo would be hard to beat..
Thank you for this review. I enjoyed it, would love to see them in a 45 minute video. I enjoy your show, this is a comparison iv been waiting for, yes it definitely has determined my choice of what to purchase. Thanks again for this review.
love the honest review, I want to hear your review of the new KRX when you get a chance
I love my Honda Talon. I have also a Polaris General but as far as experiencing the two, I chose Honda, in fact I will trade the General to a Pioneer 1000 as my utilitarian as soon as I pay off the Polaris. Nothing wrong with General but I’m no mechanic, I don’t know how to replace the belt if I break it! I have peace of mind when driving geared transmission!
I just sold my 2017 Pioneer 1000-5 to get a 2021 Talon 1000x. I couldn't be any happier with getting Talon. It's a beast of a machine so far. Now as I've researched ive came to realize the Can Am X3 is a true beast of a machine but the belt drive is something I don't want to have to deal with either. Having the Talon makes me feel more at ease when I'm by myself or just me and a passenger while out in these mountains here in Southern coalfields of West Virginia where the terrain is pretty rough and tough. Now the Talon may not be able to get through some of the crazy stuff the X3 can but overall it's got what it takes to get you in and out of some really tough spots. Hell add a winch to anything and you'll never have to worry much anyhow. Lol. But that shaft drive is real amazing to have, plus add in the i4x4 and it makes this machine well worth it. To be honest I wish it did have more reach with the suspension but I would say in the future Honda will make this machine even more competitive with the Can Am as time goes. I think the X3 has like 21 inches while the Talon 1000x has 14 inches and the 1000R has like 17 inches. I think Honda will boost that up as time comes. I honestly can't wait to see what Honda has in store for the Talon in the future. I already know I'm going to stay with the Talon as they progress cause I already know that Honda will make it better and better. And we all already know what Honda has to offer overall throughout the years. Honda has always been a good machine regardless of what it is.
Side note: You can't go wrong with a Pioneer. Now if you're looking for a machine for the trails, it's not it. Although it can perform but not like the sport UTV's. It's a workhorse to do work with more than anything. It's the reason I sold mine cause it just wouldn't keep up with everyone I was riding with cause the suspension just ain't got what it takes. Just wanted to throw that out there in case you thought it would be good for the trails. Which it'll take you places but it won't perform in rough and rugged terrain like the Talon can. The General is by far better for it than the Pioneer.
Nice review guys!
Can I ask where do I find the music for this? What’s the track called
Which one would you say has the least amount of interior noise? Im thinking of getting one of these with a full enclosure
love this video, i feel like this was a very unbiased review thank you guys!
Cant wait to see what the New 2021 Yamaha SxS is going to be. You can bet one thing . They will hit it out of the park again when it hits the market.
Why did you not use the talon r which is a direct competitor to the yxzrss
I want to know what gear I'm in so I'll take shifting even if it's paddles
amazing quality thank you
Should have done R vs R
Our current Magazine issue has the R vs R shootout
But why are the comments turned off in the video?
Austin Glodich yep
Consumer reports says Honda and Yamaha are the most reliable
Id say Honda and Suzuki but suzu only makes quads
Honda and Yamaha are the most reliable, I personally like Yamaha more, but yes Honda is extremely reliable as well.
Consumer Reports does not use these machines in the desert southwest.
Can Am (X-3) has taken over. Yamaha has no low range and a weak clutch.
Chris Baumgarten Yamaha’s “low range” is first gear, and sure a clutch can be weak, but that’s replaceable. That’s like saying a Polaris has weak belts, it’s not the belts that are weak, it’s their crappy transmission design. And last time I checked, Yamaha doesn’t have a bad transmission design.
@@wesleygarrison6248 We don't do Polaris, we have X-3's. Belt change, 15 minutes, on the trail.
Low range 1st gear is an excuse. It's still not low enough to overcome the lack of power below 6000 rpm.
I live 5 hours from Moab and 1 1/2 hours from Johnson Valley (King of Hammers) One person in our riding group had an YXZ.
I'm a Yamaha guy with a YZ. I know Yamaha is capable of being number one. You know that too. Why are they holding back? Serious question. They could be using the engine and drive from a Sidewinder.
Yes sir. Been in both machines and hands down the Yamaha is King.
What up with the disappearing and reappearing spare tire on the YXZ??
no mention of GYTR factory turbo or gearing and clutch options for the YXZ? I'm a yxz guy but seems to me like we are comparing apples to oranges here. the talon is clearly a stump jumper and the yxz is a go fast machine
Good honest review🍻
Is the MAVERICK X3 X RS TURBO RR
Faster on a straight? I’m gonna but that one most likely
Where was this test at?
I have a talon and drove the yxz, that's why I bought a talon. drive both.
Depends on terrain. I'd want the Talon down south
Cool filming, I ride red!
This comparison should have been done with the talon R. More comparable units. Cool video
Both are 64" wide so it is a good comparison as documented.
Rodney Sessions true same width however, Yamaha was set up for speed and open running -like the R. The X was built for tight trail riding. That being said, the only issue I had with the comparison is that it took away points due to suspension travel or lack there of. For that- not a good comparison
Rodney Sessions not sure why half of my post was crossed out .......
@@busabusa1529 install a Jackson Turbo and an Agency Full exhaust with a tune and the Talon 1000R will eat up anything in its way! Yama who
I think honda should've got it primarily due to the hi and low transfer case that the yxz doesn't offer.
I have a 2019 YXZ SS SE just like the one in this video, you don't need a low range in the YXZ. I cannot find obstacles to stop the YXZ, and that includes Moab and Sand Hollow over 2600 miles. The gearing in the 2019 YXZ is great!!
@@rodneysessions7463 I've heard some big changes came and yeah with the power band and high rpm I imagine 1 and 2 is all you would need.
I would like to know how the Talon compares to the Yamaha RMAX. I know they are not in the same class, but similar HP.
I don’t get all excited about performance numbers from some of these other companies
I’ve had a lot of bikes but never a Suzuki but I’ve heard good things all my Yamaha‘s Hondas and kawis
Have been comparably great machines it’s just a matter of the deal you can find and what’s new and exciting I’m leaning towards the Honda talon
Why wouldn’t you compare the YXZ against the Talon R? Makes no sense when you’re “comparing” suspensions.
The talon x and yxz are both 64' wide machines, where as talon r is 68.5' wide.
Gage Altman lewis that’s the only similarity. Still seems extremely biased when doing this comparison. One is clearly marketed as a tight trail machine and one is made for wide open and dunes.
What about the gearbox?
I went to the sand show and I love the can -am and polaris but I have to admit that the Honda is the most comfortable and reliable( no belts with an Acura transmission) out of all the utvs out there .
Yep. That about sums it up.
What made the Talon win my cash was the low range option. Also the Talon is so much quieter with the shifting.
I can't find a picture of the Talon that doesn't show paddle shifters. Are the Yamaha paddle shifters better or more innovative??
The Talon Uses Dual Clutch Transmission. Its Suppose To Shift Faster And More Efficient Than The Driver Could.
Yamaha Uses A Sequential Tranny. Its More Mechanical In Its Function.
Both Great, Yamaha Uses Proven Technology And Honda Uses The Latest Technology.
I rarely use the Talon paddle shifters, auto sport mode works better than I can shift anyway.. Talon paddles are plastic, YXZ paddles are clear coated aluminum.
YXZ fit finish and feel is improved over the Talon. I Prefer the YXZ's mechanical engagement feeling but the Talons DCT 6speed works great.
JTH YZ250X
The YXZ Is A Drivers Car Out Of Them All. Its A Legit Race Car. YXZ Sounds The Best Too. If You Want Total Control Of The Car Its YXZ All Day. The Aesthetics Is My Only Criticism Of The YXZ. Price Point Is Nest Too
All Talon Models have Paddle Shifters. The beauty of the machine is that you can use them, or not, and let the machine shift for you. You don't have that luxury in the YXZ. In our testing, the paddles are basically the same in both machines when used. However, since the Talon is a 6 speed (Yam 5), you are shifting more often. That's probably why most Honda drivers including us like to let the computer do the shifting which it does very well..
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I Could See Myself Leaving In Sport Auto And Only Using The Down Shift Paddle When I Feel Like I Needed It Like Engine Breaking Coming Into A Corner.
Im In The Market And Am Leaning Towards The Talon. Just Waiting For Them To Release The Honda Turbo Kit.
2017 YXZ ss I love it great machine
Cool sand dunes....now do Appalachian mountains.
My two favorite manufacturers, so it would be a tough choice, luckily I’m nowhere near well enough off to afford a $20,000 toy
Can buy an older used Rzr, it will do everything these will do just not quite as fast. A used Arctic Cat Wildcat 1000 is good too. Again, not quite as much power but can buy one used for less than half the price of these new machines.
Goals! You’ll get there. Work hard, save, and trust the process! I can’t either but I absolutely will on day.
The rzr 1000 is what and what to these in acceleration.... but performance its superior and alot more comfortable. Everyone clowns polaris but remember they been making sxs longer than honda and the yamaha rhino came out about the same time as the ranger 400. But let us not ignore the fact polaris put in the most research and development in their sxs. Polaris outsales to 10:1 ratio on sxs. If i went bought a new one today.... its either a general/rzr 1000 or a yamaha.... im 32 and never been impressed with honda like most people who's dad or grandpaw owned a big red or a fourtrax 300
ryanrobin12 I’m working on getting one some day, I’ve had bikes and quads but these are on a different level. I got spoiled when my cousin let me use his, nice radio, CB, bunch of lights, room for chairs and a cooler, that ruined me, now I want one. Plus it’s the only way wife will go with me.
Greg Rowe anything solid works for me, I don’t need the latest and greatest, just reliability.
I feel the Yamaha is a dedicated race style machine as in only going fast and not really much practically to it although it is so dam sweet
Why not use the r model
I gave up my Baja Racing days.(Grew Up) Now I drive a Kawasaki Teryx. It puts a smile on my face every time.
First off let me say that I'm a huge Yamaha fanboy! That being said I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't talk about the Talons low range T-case (the thing I find most interesting)... How do they compare climbing hills/rocks, how much clutch slippage, jerkyness, and how much difference does low range in the talon make? Is it better than the Yamaha in 4-low? I'm really interested in the question: Does low range give the Talon a practical edge over the Yammie?
Having a yammie I'd say the low range is probably a pretty big advantage. First gear on the yxz is short, but it's still gonna stall pretty quick when you're crawling. Gotta hit stuff with some speed. Dedicated low range probably works, but 1st gear is hard to beat when you've got diff locks, a 10k redline, and launch control 😆
@@deadlydonague2402 Yea, I'm not a fan of of brake bias limited slip on 4x4s, but I have no idea how good the system works on a lighter SxS... You said your YXZ will stall, I'm assuming you have the full manual gearbox?
WoOsKii 1 No I’ve got the SS model, so it doesn’t completely stall and shut off the engine, but it begins to stall and then the clutch engages
@@deadlydonague2402 Oh, I got ya. If I get into a SxS it's probably going to be be the SS unless a ridiculously good deal comes up on something else.
Does the honda have v-tech
YXZ is easier to look at and way more fun to drive.
Love my Talon..
Doesn't the Talon have a low range? Thats a big plus for the trail riders. Then there's the torque of the Talon in mid-range and lower. It doesn't have to be wrung out to make torque. Another big plus for the Talon. I suspect it also gets substantially better milage than the YXZ. The YXZ is probably more ''fun'' but the Talon a better machine for everything except high speed open terrain.
Denis LeBlanc these differences are very typical of these two companies. Honda products seem to be more for East Coast trail riding. And the Yamaha will always be more West Coast sand dune orientated.
@@jeffmacey6482 The Yamaha has about disappeared from the dunes at Dumont and Glamis. Now it's mostly X-3 and RZR. People were turbo'ing the Yamaha and they started blowing up, that was it. Gone.
Suspention, power, speed, not competitive. The X-3 and Dynamix are king of the hill.
Chris Baumgarten not sure what your problem is with YXZ. Keep it cool, and keep your subjective opinions to minimum. Everything you said is bunch of hate talk. I own yxz and don’t see myself sitting into anything else anytime soon . Its fun fun fun machine and it doesn’t break. Stats and all the other bs doesn’t matter. Yxz is built right. My other friends have over 200hp cvt machines with 32” tires, long travel.. and all bs that sounds good on the paper, but in the real world they cant keep up on trails and dunes. Yxz makes me better driver. Its predictable and easy to maneuver. Soo whoever reads this please ignore these hate comments. Yxz deserves to be respected as one of the best built side by side machine.
@@mirkoelek I ride with friends who had them. They got rid of them. I watched a friend roll because of a weak clutch. Next time I'll include a trigger warning!
I think Yamaha has addressed some of the problems with the newer models. They lowered the gearing so you have more low end torque. The trade off is a lower top end speed, which would probably make them even less desirable in the dunes where speed is what you want. In the end, they're all remarkable machines and people ride what they like. Think back about 10 years, all you had then was the Rzr 800s if you wanted a fast, sporty utv. All the manufacturers have come a long way since then. Kawasaki just introduced the KRX 1000 this year too so another competitor has entered the mix. I have a friend who just bought one and he really likes it.
Price wise only a few dollars difference. We added tires for $2500 and an add on for $400. Almost $3000. That's a few dollars difference? Damn.
This guy sounds like a 10th grade kid is reading his book report
I’m a Yamaha man my dad was a Yamaha man I also play music and they make musical instruments 🥁 cherry on top they 9 times out of 10 beat anything in its class!🤯🔫🚙
Let's get things straight. The talon x is for tight technical trails. Like back east in forest and such. The talon R is for open desert trails like the ones your showing here. Aren't we being a little biased?
52wolves I get what your saying but they are pitting the 2 machines that match up in width at 64"
Neither of these are for tight, technical trails. They're both too big. That's what the 50" machines are for and neither of these come in a 50" version.
but the music... just stop. It makes your videos annoying, not exciting.
Reminded me of old porn, it got me threw it
He just keeps showing the same footage too. Thumbs down
Internet Karens 🙄
Watch something else then
They are not automatic ?
Why will they not sell the Honda 4 seater in Canada?!?! I want one!
They also stopped selling the sequential shifter model of the YXZ here as well.
@@markb1511 the loyalty to the canadian market just plain sucks from all manufacturers.
The suspension preload on the talon looked a bit stiff
There is three different options they probably chose the stiff option but there’s a normal and a soft option
Whats the top speed on the Yamaha
Bout 80mph
Mis respetos para la honda
anyone know where the videos were shot?
Minnesota
Utv action historically pro Yamaha....it’s just the truth
There's probably a reason... Until the Talon, Honda hasn't made anything exciting for a long time...
I hate to tell you but Honda is not keeping up with you Yamaha. That yxz 1000 there's a lot fun than the Honda Talon. As far as reliability goes they are pretty evenly matched.
At least its not pro Polaris like all the rest are. Though Polaris invented the sport utv so you have to give them credit for getting things going.
The talon just got that yesterday look 🙁
Just wondering, is the Yamaha a belt driven machine.
The Talon looks like the car Homer Simpson built.
Of All The Sport SxS’s The Yamaha Sounds The Best Hands Down..
X-3 blows Yamaha off the dunes. No one runs Yamaha out here anymore. (dunes of the southwest)
Chris Baumgarten
I Was Just Referring To The Exhaust Tone..
I don’t think so but exhaust sound is hugely subjective. To me the YXZ sounds like it’s working its ass off regardless of what it’s doing. You can hear the lack of torque in the way it sounds. Cool engine and it sure does sound crazy.
@@JsGarage I agree with you. Nothing below 5000. Almost dangerous lack of low end.
So...no one runs Yamaha YXZ’s in the dunes? Ohhh boy you got to love the comment section on UA-cam...🙄
They should’ve compared the yxz to the Honda talon “r”
Yamaha 👍📽
Talon airbox suxx wide turning radius suspension suxx low range box on talon goes out. doors rattle 3 wd drive in talon suxx. YAMAHA YXZ KILLS IT. had both now driving yxz.
should have been R vs R instead of R vs X
Jimmy Wallace it was 64” vs 64” car.... if they would’ve done it vs the talon R it wouldn’t have been fair due to the extra 4” of width
@@PracticallySquared1 That is true, but the X was not design for that terrain. It was designed for the tight woods not desert. That's why it is shorter and has less suspension than the yxz. If the yxz had low range it would be a lot better. Both are awesome machines and you can't go wrong either one of.
greenrancher350 at least in that case the less suspension travel should be held against it...
@@jerrycarter3337 Well, I will find out. I bought an x 2 weeks ago. The reason I bought it over the yxz is it has low range and the yxz's don't. I go to the mountains quite a bit and you need low range. I ride with guy' who have manual and paddle shift models of the yxz and they are awesome machines for sure. They are tough as nails.
@@PracticallySquared1 All the suspension knocks on the X would have been praise on the R. Regardless of width you took a trail machine vs an open range machine. If you are going to be fair now you need to take them into the woods.
I have a 2016 yxz 1000r se and my friend has a Talon. The Talon feels more like a truck and my YXZ feels more like a sports car. The Talon jumps out of it shoes off the line you can really feel the torque and its shifting puts the power right there when on the trail. The YXZ feels quicker when under way and only needs 2wd drive when the Talon has to have the 4wd on all the time. The YXZ is a lot louder and just obnoxious all the time and requires a driver. The Talon is comfortable and polite. Both are very fast!!! I'd buy another YXZ1000R but I'm obnoxious....lol.
This is like a music video with 2 UTVs riding around, really didn't give much information on either UTV .
Dam it i want too go fast too ....sign me uo hog boss
Stock gearing in yxz can take you to 100mph after a quick ecu tune.
Notice I did nothing good to say about the talon but lots to say about the Yamaha
The Honda Talon is optional Fox suspension that the same of Yamaha.
This should have been R against R.
Guess this is why I bought a Honda Talon 1000R. Cause the Yamaha is so much better. LoL!!!
I don't think iv ever heard a more bias review than this and I own a Yamaha 700 grizzly. The biggest percentage of people aren't going drag racing and jumping 20ft in air every time they go riding.
Yamaha put the radiator in the rear wear it belongs.
"where", not "wear".
wear1
/wer/
verb
damage, erode, or destroy by friction or use.
wear1
/wer/
verb
have on one's body or a part of one's body as clothing, decoration, protection, or for some other purpose.
"he was wearing a dark suit"
And now you have zero storage in the already tiny bed. I know nobody buys this class of utv for storage but I'd at least like to be able to carry a cooler in the bed. Or a small storage box that mounts in it to have dry secure storage to carry a few tools. I don't know how people managed to clog a front mounted radiator so badly in the first place.
@@gregrowe1168 You ever heard of mud?
No mention of the YXZ having no low range, thats kills it for me
theninja001 it’s a manual and first is the low range it can crawl slowly over anything.
@@tammyforbes2101 and if you fix the clutch with the oil mod its even better than a low range on the talon.
Honda advantage in two words: LOW RANGE. And why that benefit escaped your mention in this comparison escapes me. Only one of these machines has a low range gearing feature, and it isn't the Yamaha.
Steve
Sorry, the low range is about as low as first gear in the YXZ. It's not low enough to give it an advantage.
@@UTVActionMagazine The advantage of a low range transmission is that you're not just limited to one gear, you have 5 more. If you guys don't think that the Talon having a High/Low transmission isn't a huge benefit, you're just not being honest. I'm sure if Yamaha were to toss a sub-trans on the YXZ you'd be singing its praises for having more than just a low first gear...
Talon bends arms fyi
Kinda tipped the scales a bit by comparing the YXZ to an X Model don’t yah think? Look forward to your R review...
ie. comparison
Yamaha where that 72 inch machine!
Good video but Honda all the way
The Talon R would have compared nicely to the YXZ R
The “fun factor” has to go to the YXZ!
DUNE YXZ You bet
Yeah with the manual I’m sold
Micheal Gray That’s the one I own...and it’s awesome!
Where is the X-3?
I know, busy WINNING races!
@Taylor Anderson the new X-3, 195 horsepower.
Keep dreaming.
3.27.21
Personally I think the 1000R is a better competitor with the Yxz then the 1000x
Why on earth would u think that? That's a 68.4inch sxs. This is Apple's to Apple's 64 vs 64. Sure the 1000r is better for the stuff they were riding in, but so would a 72 inch machine or if Yamaha made a wider model. 64 vs 64 in desert yxz is better, in the opinion of ATV action. In mud or rock crawling probably be the talon that's better
Lets get the wider one since its equal didnt win, meaning the 64" model!
@@toddmerriott6901 lmao, that's the stupidity thing I've heard all day
@@thomaskreisz8477 that was me being sarcastic
pretty sure the Talon R would've won vs the YXZ
Well we all know the atv/utv mags have been showing favor to Yamaha for years. This just another example. Not one trail through the woods used but ran the X model instead of the R. That Yamaha priced out well above the Talon X model also. Lets do things the right way shall we?
They would sell so many more if they were street legal
You can buy a factory kit to make either one street legal
Well it's a not so fair comparison to me, the yfz,has been around and getting fine tuned for years the first few years saw a lot of bad shit,I would always go red for quality and for 1000 bucks the talon r would eat it in all the handling parts, just my opinion 👍👍👍🇺🇸
cam am vs polaris :,v
Honda !
Prefer the 1000r with the clutch pedal and shifter
Yamaha the motor and tranny are separated and have additional driveshafts. The Honda motor and tranny are one complete sealed unit. Both are desert machines only. Not for deep mud pits/ mudpits with 33-35" tires.
Neither are just desert machines. I have had both in deep mud and tight steep trails.
The XYZ is junk. All my friends have LONG sold theirs and moved on to the X-3.
Too many burnt clutches.
@@TheBandit7613 sounds like they don't know how to drive a clutch. I had over 2,500 miles on mine before I had to replace the clutch. Most of that was trail riding and mudding.
@@mattdyer489 I shouldn't have said they are junk, they're OK.
When they first came out, started seeing them all over. Now they are pretty rare as X-3's and Dynamix have taken over. I ride Glamis, Dumont and the Mojave desert and mountains. No mud here...
What pisses me off the most, Yamaha has the engineers yet they stop short every time using off the shelf parts. It has zero power below what, 6000 RPM? That caused a friend to kill/roll backward then down a hill, rolling completely over while the rest of us easily drove up the mountainside. He sold it soon after...
@@TheBandit7613 6k rpms is about right. It has never caused me any issue though. Granted I was basically born and raised on a clutch, so it's easy for me to climb while slipping the clutch without killing it. Like you said. They do need to do something about the lack of low end power. It really needs to start building power around 3k to 4k rpms. If it did that, it would be a beast of a machine the more people could enjoy.
Forgot to mention reliability. Honda wins that by far.
I’ll never own another Honda a day in my life. but just like every brand they have their problems
Eh..I think you forgot about Yamaha reliability kid.🙄
Seems pretty dang biased to me.
@Leon Wood I too have LOTS of Honda ATC's and they still fire up and run great after sitting for what seems like an eternity. This video was VERY biased you can tell when they never mention the lo-range in the Talon. Don't get me wrong, that Yammie is a sweet car, and has a beautiful sounding and performing engine, but no way in hell is the Yamaha THAT much better than the Honda. If they wanted to do this video right, they should have shown that Talon X out East where it belongs. I have a feeling things would have been very different.... Or not, since I think Yamaha pays these guys a ton to speaking highly of their products...
Honda has fallen way behind in the atv market though. They don't make any utility machines with any power. Their flagship model, the Rincon, basically hasn't been updated for about 10 years. And it was lacking then compared to everyone else. The Talon looks like a nice machine. I like that it gives you the option of full auto or paddle shifters. I wish they made a 50" model. A lot of people ride in places with tight trails and many trail systems are restricted to 50". The smaller machines are easier to store and fit on a trailer too. I know Honda has the Pioneer 500 but its like driving an old Mule or Gator, a work only slow machine that is boring to drive.
How can the yxz be a better rock crawler....
It's clearly a dessert runner
I’m just imagining the jeep I could build for that money!
roacheater but in the end...you’d still be stuck with a jeep
A better point never made!
These are more fun to drive than a Jeep. You just can't go that fast through this type of terrain in a Jeep. And you don't have to spend 20K on a new machine. You can spend less than half that on a used one and still have lots of fun.
I will chime in here, I own a 2019 yxz1000 ss and a 2019 yxz1000 ss se, and a 2019 jeep wrangler built pretty nice, My buddy has a talon...he hates it, Went wheeling with a guy in a 2019 talon R and his front axle snapped right of the bat on a trail marked EASY. Not even romping it. I was super close to buying a honda, glad I didnt. Alot of them are in the shop and really cannot compare to the yxz. I have 1977 miles on my ss grey yxz and almost 950 on my ss se and NOT A SINGLE issue. I run the piss out of them. Every hill and Every rock ledge here in the east coast I destroy. So far only broken parts are the rear control arm skid plates ripped off and the ss base model had the rear skid plate tear apart on a big rock....NOTHING ELSE! They are a blast. I wheel with the RZR fan boys and the canned ham guys as well and really they are all good machines even the honda....Maybe you ask why I mention the jeep? Well I use that as well on the SAME trails. Broke the steering box, one wheel, 3 drivelines, blown one t case. The jeep has 3200 miles on it...When it breaks, we make it stronger! Hope everyone rides safe and has a blast! No matter the brand, just get out there and wheel...We all break eventually and never know who may tow you home, could be a CF moto!!! Cheers
I call bullshit.
@@UhYeahWhateverDude you obviously know how I wheel and what I do to these machines. 322 races, 4 baja runs, 6 Best in the desert vegas to reno races 4 top 10 finishes and 3 KOH races with 1 finish(2 DQ due to rollover and a medical emergency for passenger). You wanna call bullshit? Lets go wheeling, I do it for a living--for fun as I am retired and have nothing else to do. We will be out at MOAB easter jeep safari with our rigs, come stop by as we will be at the old country store before the entrance with the big red 2021 ram mega cab on 40's(cant miss it), the jeep, and one of our YXZ will be there and if you wanna hop a quick ride in the passenger seat and decide I am full of it,,,,I will GIVE you the YXZ..title and all. Challenge accepted, see you there!
You shouldn’t compare suspension on a R vs a X.
No mention of yxz’s lack of low gear? I am not a talon fan but c’mon man!