LandCruiser 200 Air Filter Testing
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Read more at: www.project200...
Plus a republished ISO5011 comparison: www.project200...
UPDATE OCT 2022: New Donaldson PowerCore airbox: www.project200...
This video covers testing of the LandCruiser 200 airbox seal and air filter dust performance. Comparing a genuine filter, Ryco and Unifilter plus a Donaldson FHG Cyclopac.
Professional and informative as always Jamie. Thanks.
Been looking forward to this one, thanks buddy
Great comparison mate. Keen to see more of this content type. Your methodical approach and well executed testing is reassuring in today's world of UA-cam information gathering.
G’day Jamie
Spot on correct. We like very much your accurate postings. Original Toyota air filter latest version the rubber seal is more higher. I just Installed a new one in May. Clips tight and filter plastic housing in good order, proper sealed. Time will tell if the rubber seal shrinks. I am a fan of paper filter in Dust environments.
I have one suggestion for a re-test. Now you used brand new filters. Make a trip and go through some dust. Normally when the paper filter are used the filter performance should improve. Means let passing less dust through the filter.
Downside of course the reduced airflow. Then clean the paper filter and check again the results.
In Dusty environment a pre cleaner on top of the snorkel is a must in my opinion. Pre cleaner performance is second to non and to put it on and take it off is done in minutes and sets you back only hundred dollars.
looking forward your next posing. Cheers
Great video Jamie, will be switching back to genuine from Ryco I think... That extra thick seal is quite compelling and the 6 month test on the Ryco was super interesting. I do change my filters more frequently but still... Would be good to see a 6 month test on the genuine too.
Aron I have owned a LC79 since 2012 , change the air filter every service in 300,000km I have had dust get past the air filter on 2 occasions each time a Ryco filter was installed . I have emailed & spoken to Ryco about dusting around 4 years ago they said it would be looked into . I have had no issues with either Toyota or Donaldson filters ( 26 + filters). I live in the bush on dirt roads as well .
What a great Video Jamie. Well done. A lot of work in there.
Looking forward to some more investigative reporting, this is always a hot topic amongst us tourers. Good work.
Great job, it would be good to see some more different brands of filters tested.....
There may be some additional filters tested in the future. There is also an ISO5011 test of various filters (not for a 200-series) here: www.project200.com.au/dm-iso5011/
Thank you for the video. Another concern that I have with the LC200 air box sealing is the type of clips being used. You never quite sure whether they are correctly engaged or still applying the necessary clamp force.
I would like to see a comparison with the 80 series cruiser. 👍👍
Just a thought is to do a comparison with the circular filter of the 100 series. In the context of flat filters our vehicles run these days, it was a great comparison illustrating the seal when worn was interesting.
Excellent video. Very informative. I'll also be sticking with the genuine Toyota filter for now. I was about to switched to a Uni Filter but you saved me from doing it. I'm very grateful for that.
I wonder how well the genuine 70 series cyclone head separates dust.
Excellent, I still run mine and no dusting at all.
Great detail video Jaime. What is the purpose of the dust cap inside the housing?
Jamie, it seems that any reputable filter will work better with the cyclonic pre filter. I suppose the price of cyclonic pre filters will now go up :(
That was good, while most deal with the seal by adding something extra do you think that the twin turbos actually pull dust through the element itself due to the force of the air being pulled through it.
I think that there is an engineering trade-off between the size of an ideal air filter, and the space available under the bonnet. So it's a compromise. Donaldson, for example, say the FHG I tested does not flow enough for the 1VD engine. Yet it flows much more air than the factory airbox. So Donaldson are obviously much more conservative with the airflow/velocity through their filters than Toyota.
@@austimages Thanks
As usual, very informative and very good!
Problem is blokes don’t know how to re clamp the airbox, I worked at Toyota, and one big
Thing well before this whole “dusting” fiasco started was clamping down the boxes correctly.
I was a bit shocked at the uni filter failed, I run a K&N oil filter in my D-Max, all good so far.👍
Are you sure about that??
So do I no problems.
I did my own back to back testing OEM VS Uni . Uni wins hands down
@@MadRS Are you?
Whats your opinion/or have you tested the new shims you can buy and glue to the air box to increase the clamping power?
I've seen them, but haven't tested them. Probably not a bad idea, especially with filters that have thinner seals such as the Ryco.
Fantastic video. Well done and thank you.
Does Donaldson or other co. manufacture a cyclonic air filter for a 200? The one tested looks to big for engine bay? What would it look like installed? Does all this info directly apply to the as y'all call it "petrol" 200 series v8? Great experiment/ test!
Not at this stage, although there is apparently one under development. The petrol air filter is slightly different, but not by much.
@@austimages I'd like to follow the development of this Donaldson filter for the 200 series but there's no mention on their website. Can you point to any references?
@@OftenMisled No, they don't have anything official yet.
great informative video mate
I can't believe you can't spend 120k on a Toyota only to have this major issue. Piss poor how did it pass the r&d testing
I have not used a oiled filter on my 200, but all my dirt bikes use them. The difference here is dirt bikes don’t go 5 or 10,000 km between services, when talking MX bikes the filters are washed and oiled daily. As pointed out paper is probably the current solution for touring, this excellent video has given us some thought on which brand to choose though.
Excellent.
So it confirms that the seal fatigues and dust gets in and if the seal is better what to use in " Extreme " dusty conditions. I fitted some extra seal to the factory filter box but still found very light dust in the engine side of the air box and now suspect the turbo force pulls dust through the element itself.
It seems to be a combination of the two factors. The condition of the seal and airbox would determine which is most responsible in individual cases. Just be careful if using an extra seal. Unlike the 70-series, the 200 does not have a mesh filter between the airbox and the turbos. So putting an extra seal on the lid-side of the filter is potentially dangerous, as if it is dislodged it would be sucked into the turbos. Between the filter/base is the safer location.
@@austimages Yes only had it on the bottom half. Good video thanks.
I find the Ryco filters better for my 150
you say this was non-biased test, then why don't you report the numbers of grams passing through the unifilter?...helping someone?
I don't think Unifilter would describe this test as being very helpful. I didn't report the actual numbers because I don't think the test was a valid and fair test of that product, given the test conditions and the way they operate. However, as I said, I won't be using one and can't recommend them. You can find a more detailed explanation on the web page: www.project200.com.au/filter-testing/
You are the best thank you very much
So, the Donaldson can’t be made to fit under the bonnet ????
That’s be my choice.
Unfortunately not. But Donaldson are planning on releasing a custom made airbox for the 200-series. Hopefully by early 2022.
I would like to know how bad the unifilter was.
It's not valid, for the reasons mentioned in the article. But around 30% of the dust went through.
@@austimages He said it performed poorly then defended them and said it was due to the design and how dust affected them, not much point in using a particular air filter if it cant keep out dust.
So many people rave about the performance of the Unifilter, the full results should be out there if they do not perform as people think they do.
@@cvytnioy56dvfuj4g7 It's to do with the way they operate. With a paper filter, it's the media stopping the dust. The rate of dust injection makes no real difference to their performance. With a foam filter, it's the oil that catches the dust. No oil, no filtration. In their case, high dust rates cause the oil to dry out and it takes a while to bleed through the dust. This test added the dust more quickly than would be expected in real world driving, so was harder for the oiled filter. The ISO5011 test adds dust at a much more realistic rate. Oiled filters generally still perform worse than 'paper', but it's closer. See here for a test: www.project200.com.au/dm-iso5011/
@@austimages Thanks,
I was able to get on my PC and find the full Project 200 details, I could not see them on my phone. thanks again.
Thanks bud great test
Do a coolant flush next video!!
Great, now ive got to get rid of my Unifilter lol. Ive been holding up installing in until i seen your video, thanks for the all the work
Don't forget that the Uni filter fixed the air leak and while some restriction after the test it was done in extreme dusty conditions. I fitted some extra seal to the factory filter but still found very light dust in the engine side of the air box but now with the Uni filter there is none. Good video though if you want to stay with a factory panel but add some more seal.
While I won't be running one, and I can't recommend them, there are people who report good results, so I won't tell people NOT to run them either. The performance of oiled foam filters seems to be much, much more variable depending on the level of dust than for paper filters. Like I said, very complicated and not going to settle any arguments today!
@@austimages Well I use a Uni Filter and happy that it stops nearly 98% of dust in an extreme condition and Uni filter recommend the snorkel sock if in a very dusty driving area. I have seen the pictures of a Uni Filter after a extreme dusty trip and how a layer of dirt would restrict flow but that can be managed with another filter. For most of us who travel light dusty tracks no flow restriction would hardly take place. Personally I do think the Toyota filter while sealing better I still think the twin Turbos pull some dust through the filter itself as it is a lot to ask from the filter. I carry a spare uni filter and am just a caravan traveler and no extreme dust.
@@zoezoe610 I personally recommend if running in dust eg Canning stock route etc a few spare UNI filter socks for the snorkel head and / or spare main element (UNI) in a zip lock bag well worth the 5 minutes to change it. What is not mentioned but well known in the off road racing community is the UNI filter's ability to 'shed' dirt as it builds up on the outer (coarse) filter layer. I guess this is the difference between testing by 'engineers' and actual REAL TIME.
All due respect and credit to @Australian Images for posting this but I feel the ISO testing requires challenging in this case. OK So according to the test the Uni filter can create the most restriction in a dusty environment BUT!! ( And this is the $30,000 - $38,000 Engine/Turbo replacement clincher ) After reviewing the ISO 5011 testing kindly provided in the link above, I would suggest some inaccuracy regarding the Uni filter. I can only assume there was an installation or sealing issue or similar as this has certainly NOT been my experience over the past 30+ years of running Uni products. From my experience, the Uni product IF maintained correctly as per instruction from Uni Filter is the ONLY OEM replacement panel filter capable of removing ALL coarse and fine dust matter according to my tests. Having completed numerous back to back tests of OEM vs Uni over the years. Interestingly, we also use and stock ACDelco filters as an alternative to our genuine Toyota parts which you will notice are not included in the video but rate very highly in the ISO testing by quite a margin!? PLEASE NOTE: We are neither endorsed nor sponsored in any way by Uni filter. WE are not even an agent. Please take no offence guys and gals. I am passionate about what I do and it actually pains me to do a compression test on customer's dearly beloved VDJ200 to find it has been DUSTED at LESS than 200,000km of very occasional off road driving! True story!!! Your rig - your choice! Make is wisely! Cheers
great vid - should have included an K&N
If you'd like to see a comparison that does include a K&N (but for a different vehicle) see here: www.project200.com.au/dm-iso5011/
Just threw my unifilter in the bin. Paper all the way.
That was probably the dumbest thing you have done to your LC200 LOL