Ah yes the most accurate representation of gear setups out there. I'll bring my elysian offhand which is "only" 730m since I don't have a.... rune defender. Thank you, very cool wiki! The more you pick apart that "recommendation" the funnier it gets.
I hope the wiki team sees this video and is like damn he really does have a point. And the rework how they do things. This video should inspire the wiki to want to do a better job and make these things more accurate/ accessible. They do so much “good” for the community. But this should inspire and not bring hate
I really like this little series (?). It has the same "Can you beat Breath of the Wild but without climbing?" kind of vibes but for osrs, which I think has some untapped potential.
I get the point of this series but youre also grossly misinterpreting the wiki gear guides (which absolutely do need some work and should be done as BIS > Decent > Average > Bare minimum). The wiki guide shows items in order of effectiveness, not in order of recommendation, e.g. it's saying an Ely is worse than a defender, not that an Ely is the bare minimum you should have. This is a cool concept for a series but it really feels like youre just leaning into shitting on the wiki for no reason at this point and also kind of detracting from actually doing anything beneficial.
I understand this but why does it stop at ely then? Why doesn't it include all the defenders etc.? Obviously you cant list every single item, so why not stop at an item that makes sense? like a dragon defender.
Why are some of you actually going full Karen over a wiki, does the wiki have feelings the majority of us are unaware of, how does the satire go straight over your heads
I find it hilarious at some of the recommended setups, lol. I really appreciate you showing me gearscape, though. It's nice being able to import all my gear instantly and tell it "hey, I wanna kill zulrah tanzanite phase" and it show me what my BiS is to kill that phase. That being said, it does tell me to use shadow barrage lol. Probably the first time I've ever been told to use that on a boss. Either way, fun series, keep this going!
Ok, so aside from the hilarity of these, it actually is nice to see that even with strange af gear you can kill a boss. Just not with any efficiency...
Something to note, it doesnt matter whay style you have selected when speccing, weapon special attacks always role a specific style e.g. claw specs always roll as slash even if changed to stab
this is wrong. claw specs always roll against the enemy’s slash bonus but if you put them on stab, it uses the much lower stab bonus against the enemy’s slash bonus, throwing away a huge amount of accuracy for no gain. the only place you’d do this is putting godswords on crush for pnm auto max hits
This series is really fun but some ppl are missing the point of why the guides have these downgrades. Like with Chally, it's on the strategy guide to tell people NOT to use it bc it's worse than DDS. If Chally was removed entirely, it'd be ambiguous and some ppl might assume it's decent
what? no, that's ridiculous. There are hundreds of items that are not in the list. Is it ambiguously recommending a rune platebody because it's not included in the downgrade chart? Obviously the intuitive understanding is "if it's in the list it's a *viable* downgrade"
@@XxSupaBAMxX Except rune plate is never a real option, chally is a real budget option on some bosses like Bloat and Dusk P1 In case anyone ever wonders if Chally is good at Vard (I guarantee people have), this guide confirms it's worse than DDS. There's no reason to delete that info, it doesn't take up any extra space
@@KodakKid33 it seems like you got confused by the wiki as well lol. It's not a budget option, it's a niche spec weapon for last hitting things with in specific circumstances (killing something, phase transitions) and for barrage slayer. As a dps spec, dds will always win (and is also easier to acquire for both irons and mains)
I can confirm that Justi is super comfy at Vardorvis after doing over 1k kills in that setup Is Justi bis? Absolutely not! Did I get consistent long trips, while having super relax fights? Yes! (People will make fun of you though
People getting mad at this series need to take a deep breath. It's a silly string of challenges and an entertaining thing to watch a really skilled pvmer suffer. Clearly this isn't intended to be taken seriously lol
Honestly i understand the concept for your series here, but i think you are grossly misrepresenting the wiki contributors. The best in slot is obviously best in slot. However, the least effective in slot should not be used as a baseline for a setup. The setups don't say here is the min req gear. it shows a progression of downgrade in each specific category. I don't think a single person who contributed to the wiki page for vardorvis really sat there and thought, "man don't forget your ely!" as he put it in the same downgrade column as the strength ammy.
Yeah, this is a fun series, but you're definitely not intended to be using the worst item in every single category. But some of his points are valid, like if you have completed desert treasure 2, you have a rune defender, or it's at least fair for a guide to just stop there and say, at least go get a rune defender.
Gnomonkey is kind of the official spokesman of endgame brainrot. This is the same guy who made a serious video complaining about no endgame content 2 days after DT2 came out. We expect too much from him.
Both opinions are valid, it makes sense that an ely is at the bottom of the graph because it represents all tank shields that don’t have a str bonus. At the same time, it’s also funny that gnomonkey is poking fun at it by bringing an ely into Vardorvis. Nothing wrong with either side.
I really appreciate these vids, i have similar gear to what youve been trying and will never have a bil+ weapon to spam. You should try to clear these brewed down to mid level account stats
I did 1200 vard kc with bands/fang pre nerf and 2900 with just, my kills per trip went up and my average kill time was around the same if not even faster at times. Everyone called me stupid but from my experience it worked. (iron without blood fury)
In computer logique you get the following 1 or 0 is equal to 1 0 or 1 is equal to 1 0 or 0 is 0 And 1 or 1 is 1 That mean that using both amulet is valid
@@Wilkipedi Nope, UA-cam editor only has options to remove the clip with the copyrighted music (both audio and video) or mute the clip or at least use to. I haven't used UA-cam editor in a while but that's how it use to be. I've had quite a few vids pretty well ruined because they'd pass copyright check during upload then get a copyright claim anywhere from an hour to a week or so later.
I warned you, now the scammers are adding you to their anti-scam watchlist. EDIT: LOL my CS teachers would be so proud my inclusive OR comment got into the video
The wiki puts gear from best to use to worst to use per slot you bring, that doesn't mean they expect u to bring an ely with shit gear. It means they compare items to bring in that slot based purely on stats.
@@Frozhiir I am, actually, but you don't seem to have critical thinking skills. I am questioning the process by which items are picked to even appear on the table. You have to make a call somewhere which items are relevant enough to be compared. In this case, it's only avernic and dragon defender.
@@XxSupaBAMxX you aren’t, actually because you fail to see there are 5 slots. So when there are no relevant offensive items they tend to put in defensive items than can/ tend to be more impactful than the lower grade offensive items. Hence the shields being compared. That doesn’t mean that it makes sense in an overall gear setup, it does mean that it makes sense in the slot comparison. Especially for people opting to try a more defensive build to learn the boss. So before you try to insult someone’s critical thinking skills, make sure you have some of your own considering you can’t look any further than your own limited scope of thoughts. Now be quiet you are wasting my time
Big for my ely spooned hcim with no warrior guild token 👏👏👏
Your profile pic and profile made me laugh :)
Ah yes the most accurate representation of gear setups out there. I'll bring my elysian offhand which is "only" 730m since I don't have a.... rune defender. Thank you, very cool wiki!
The more you pick apart that "recommendation" the funnier it gets.
the wiki does say most effective to least effective, not most expensive to least expensive. but it is funny the ely is even there
Been loving these wiki guide vids gnomonkey, very funny content
These guides are truly the pinnacle of runescape pvm comedy
Just want to say your videos are such an inspiriation to me, I watch these while at the GE waiting for flips! Thanks for the banger video Gnomonkey!
How long has Grim Salvo been bankstanding with that zuk pet... Feels like years at this point.
He's been there forever
He's a cringe attention seeker. Ignore
I am surprised 3rd age are not on these lists lmao
There is one that has 3rd age range
3rd age bow bis in barbarian assault (but it actually is bis)
@@Wh1teSomali 3rd age bow is so fucking goated, 3t bow for dragon arrows
The wiki inferno guide has 3rd age mage top as a minimum downgrade
Do you have any money making tips for the trimmed power amulet? I wanted to do Vardorvis in this setup but that's way too steep :/
This is the only runescape series I feel compelled to watch right now lol
I'm convinced that gnome is the one making these guides for content
i dont think those charts are recommended downgrades, its just showing whats worse lol
Time to bring my ely locked DT2 completed account out to shine
Ok I was judging these videos for hating too much on the wiki but the offhand list is crazy LMAO
I hope the wiki team sees this video and is like damn he really does have a point. And the rework how they do things. This video should inspire the wiki to want to do a better job and make these things more accurate/ accessible. They do so much “good” for the community. But this should inspire and not bring hate
Pretty cringe you expect me to have an Ely on my HC before a rune defender. You're so out of touch bro.
you dont need a defender for zammy spear at corp
@@Jo_Roganyou make a good point
@@Jo_Rogan You do for fang kills?
@@randomunlistedvids adamant defender
@@nadish That's not on the list
I really like this little series (?).
It has the same "Can you beat Breath of the Wild but without climbing?" kind of vibes but for osrs, which I think has some untapped potential.
I get the point of this series but youre also grossly misinterpreting the wiki gear guides (which absolutely do need some work and should be done as BIS > Decent > Average > Bare minimum). The wiki guide shows items in order of effectiveness, not in order of recommendation, e.g. it's saying an Ely is worse than a defender, not that an Ely is the bare minimum you should have.
This is a cool concept for a series but it really feels like youre just leaning into shitting on the wiki for no reason at this point and also kind of detracting from actually doing anything beneficial.
100% this. Everything about this.
I understand this but why does it stop at ely then? Why doesn't it include all the defenders etc.? Obviously you cant list every single item, so why not stop at an item that makes sense? like a dragon defender.
"you're just leaning into shitting on the wiki for no reason" my dude this is Gnome, all he does is shit on things for no reason.
Why are some of you actually going full Karen over a wiki, does the wiki have feelings the majority of us are unaware of, how does the satire go straight over your heads
I spy Grim Salvo next to you at the ge.
I find it hilarious at some of the recommended setups, lol. I really appreciate you showing me gearscape, though. It's nice being able to import all my gear instantly and tell it "hey, I wanna kill zulrah tanzanite phase" and it show me what my BiS is to kill that phase. That being said, it does tell me to use shadow barrage lol. Probably the first time I've ever been told to use that on a boss.
Either way, fun series, keep this going!
Best series I’ve seen in a while, good job man
Ok, so aside from the hilarity of these, it actually is nice to see that even with strange af gear you can kill a boss. Just not with any efficiency...
Something to note, it doesnt matter whay style you have selected when speccing, weapon special attacks always role a specific style e.g. claw specs always roll as slash even if changed to stab
this is wrong.
claw specs always roll against the enemy’s slash bonus but if you put them on stab, it uses the much lower stab bonus against the enemy’s slash bonus, throwing away a huge amount of accuracy for no gain.
the only place you’d do this is putting godswords on crush for pnm auto max hits
nahhh misinformation but thanks for playing!
Inq was actually my gear at vardorvis for a bit after I sold almost all my gear for merching lmao
Love the hollow knight music in the background
Happy we can keep you grounded man
his TTK in shit gear is on avg faster than my avg kills in bandos/salad blade/belator.. how
Did anyone noticed the song from Hollow Knight, Dirtmouth, followed by Green Path?
Hey thats me at 1:25 with the fishsack barrel!
Wow! I'm so proud of you Shnozby! Love, Mom
This series is really fun but some ppl are missing the point of why the guides have these downgrades. Like with Chally, it's on the strategy guide to tell people NOT to use it bc it's worse than DDS. If Chally was removed entirely, it'd be ambiguous and some ppl might assume it's decent
what? no, that's ridiculous. There are hundreds of items that are not in the list. Is it ambiguously recommending a rune platebody because it's not included in the downgrade chart? Obviously the intuitive understanding is "if it's in the list it's a *viable* downgrade"
@@XxSupaBAMxX Except rune plate is never a real option, chally is a real budget option on some bosses like Bloat and Dusk P1
In case anyone ever wonders if Chally is good at Vard (I guarantee people have), this guide confirms it's worse than DDS. There's no reason to delete that info, it doesn't take up any extra space
@@KodakKid33 it seems like you got confused by the wiki as well lol. It's not a budget option, it's a niche spec weapon for last hitting things with in specific circumstances (killing something, phase transitions) and for barrage slayer. As a dps spec, dds will always win (and is also easier to acquire for both irons and mains)
@@XxSupaBAMxX It's a budget option because dclaws beat chally even if you're last hitting on Bloat/Dusk P1 to avoid tick delay
@@KodakKid33 no, you chally bloat even if you have claws, you'd use both. First down a claw and then chally for last hit.
I can confirm that Justi is super comfy at Vardorvis after doing over 1k kills in that setup
Is Justi bis? Absolutely not!
Did I get consistent long trips, while having super relax fights? Yes!
(People will make fun of you though
People getting mad at this series need to take a deep breath. It's a silly string of challenges and an entertaining thing to watch a really skilled pvmer suffer.
Clearly this isn't intended to be taken seriously lol
Im convinced the wiki setups are just bot chats to gear up farms for cheap 😐 love the series so far!
the ammy swap is epic
NAH THE ELI IS DEVIOUS
Just killed vardorvis on my 85cb quest cape haver. Can confirm that the axe is the Carey
Can you make a guide on how to pull an ultor vestige?
Honestly i understand the concept for your series here, but i think you are grossly misrepresenting the wiki contributors. The best in slot is obviously best in slot. However, the least effective in slot should not be used as a baseline for a setup. The setups don't say here is the min req gear. it shows a progression of downgrade in each specific category. I don't think a single person who contributed to the wiki page for vardorvis really sat there and thought, "man don't forget your ely!" as he put it in the same downgrade column as the strength ammy.
Yeah, this is a fun series, but you're definitely not intended to be using the worst item in every single category. But some of his points are valid, like if you have completed desert treasure 2, you have a rune defender, or it's at least fair for a guide to just stop there and say, at least go get a rune defender.
Gnomonkey is kind of the official spokesman of endgame brainrot. This is the same guy who made a serious video complaining about no endgame content 2 days after DT2 came out. We expect too much from him.
yeah this series is entertaining but it comes off pretty smug and mean
I highly doubt these videos were intended to flame or represent the wiki contributors in any way.
Both opinions are valid, it makes sense that an ely is at the bottom of the graph because it represents all tank shields that don’t have a str bonus. At the same time, it’s also funny that gnomonkey is poking fun at it by bringing an ely into Vardorvis. Nothing wrong with either side.
Hey remember what this series is about.
Lower the better.
I think
I really appreciate these vids, i have similar gear to what youve been trying and will never have a bil+ weapon to spam. You should try to clear these brewed down to mid level account stats
Goddamnit i like Gnomemonkey again
That grim salvo dude in the beginning with the tanz helmet always stands in the same spot, same world, same outfit everyday
your chally always specs a slash roll, even when set to stab
It rolls with the style's accuracy you chose against slash, so it being on stab is still worse. You don't want claws or DDS on stab for example.
Damn I learned that from now on I'll be doing vard in inq xD
Gnome these vids are great bro
Stream to cut video man is working like a clockwork
Hedron doing good work :)
I did 1200 vard kc with bands/fang pre nerf and 2900 with just, my kills per trip went up and my average kill time was around the same if not even faster at times. Everyone called me stupid but from my experience it worked. (iron without blood fury)
omg thats me at the beginning on the left. hi!
In computer logique you get the following
1 or 0 is equal to 1
0 or 1 is equal to 1
0 or 0 is 0
And 1 or 1 is 1
That mean that using both amulet is valid
The drip on POINT
Still going to use wiki, wiki is always right.
you should do my void tank meta at bandos or zammy
unironically works great
What happened to the original upload? btw love this series
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@@GnomonkeyRScan you not edit that after upload? I was mid video when you forcibly ruined my Osrs wiki lesson 😡
@@Wilkipedi Nope, UA-cam editor only has options to remove the clip with the copyrighted music (both audio and video) or mute the clip or at least use to. I haven't used UA-cam editor in a while but that's how it use to be. I've had quite a few vids pretty well ruined because they'd pass copyright check during upload then get a copyright claim anywhere from an hour to a week or so later.
Am I dumb or is he missing the fact that the chart says effectiveness, not required or even reasonably recommended items??
Oh that actually was you at GE, thought so
I warned you, now the scammers are adding you to their anti-scam watchlist.
EDIT: LOL my CS teachers would be so proud my inclusive OR comment got into the video
Howd you make the range attack an orb
you would think after the first one they would fix these guides
The wiki puts gear from best to use to worst to use per slot you bring, that doesn't mean they expect u to bring an ely with shit gear. It means they compare items to bring in that slot based purely on stats.
why not just not bring up the ely then. Or, why bring up ele and not an addy kiteshield? Surely thats even worse than ely.
@@XxSupaBAMxX Not really good at reading are you ?
@@Frozhiir I am, actually, but you don't seem to have critical thinking skills. I am questioning the process by which items are picked to even appear on the table. You have to make a call somewhere which items are relevant enough to be compared. In this case, it's only avernic and dragon defender.
@@XxSupaBAMxX you aren’t, actually because you fail to see there are 5 slots. So when there are no relevant offensive items they tend to put in defensive items than can/ tend to be more impactful than the lower grade offensive items. Hence the shields being compared. That doesn’t mean that it makes sense in an overall gear setup, it does mean that it makes sense in the slot comparison. Especially for people opting to try a more defensive build to learn the boss. So before you try to insult someone’s critical thinking skills, make sure you have some of your own considering you can’t look any further than your own limited scope of thoughts. Now be quiet you are wasting my time
@@Frozhiir defensive builds for learning? I'm sorry that's stupid
kinda devo you didn't run the calc with the lowest suggestion minus the ely
Hollow knight in the background nice!!
Ely is the phantom bis
i wanna see the venezuelan nex gears
Who wants to watch 10 minutes of you running the same joke into the ground? 😂😂😂😂
i love hollow knight music!!
You're grounded.
Btw or can mean both logically
Please take ely with inq
Whoever made the min setup was either high out of their mind or trolling they have to be
This might be ehb
13:10 just @me next time
Nah. That’s not real. You have someone in the wiki team making these for content there’s no way! 🤣
Do vorkath!!
HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Very cluttered guide. More straightforward and to the point with tips and advice are a lot better.
This isn't a guide video... It's a video showing how bad the wiki set ups are.
1st?
Forced
This is smug and distasteful
Can anyone point me in the direction of Gnome’s predictive hit splat configuration/settings? I REALLY like them. 🥺
I have a PVM Video with all my PVM plugins settings