I too strongly suspect that depression and anxiety have an influence on the Doomer phenomenon, when the personal becomes political for those afflicted. But it was good to hear that the author of the email found a way to channel that discontent into positive activism. Also, the algorithm can eat my butt!
1 100% agree with your analysis of doomerism as a defense mechanism. when presented with such dangers as climate change and a political system that clearly does not care about preventing a fairly easily preventable apocalypse, the most natural response is disassociation. personally i feel that doomerism is what happens when someone stays in this state for too long, somewhat forgetting what it felt like to not disassociate so constantly. as pink floyd put it- 'comfortably numb'. I am a massive overthinker and constantly wonder if there is any reason to 'work on my future' when any plans i make only exist in the context of a society seemingly now doomed to a collapse. but there is no end of the world, only the end of the world as we know it, and that is why i do not consider myself a doomer. climate change will eventually destroy the supply chains that cause it, and some people will surely survive, even if it is horrifically difficult in a world of near constant natural disasters.
I relate to the Doomer thing as kind of a political choice of sorts as I would describe it as “After Emo” where the mentally troubled and depressed mistreated teenagers of life I had a shitty deck of cards ended up throwing up and having an even worse deck then expected. Take someone like me I would describe myself is almost an anomaly, somebody who is so ordinarily different that they can’t fit in with a single friends it does people like me become overwhelmingly lonely and mistreated by the whole entirety of society. Thus the outlook on society would be seen as hopeless and ignorant. There is no hope in this world and that is unfortunately something that I grew into believing I haven’t had much luck and I have had more shitty days than even “fine” days. I have hopes and desires but little belief that those things could actually happen. It’s easier said than done when somebody tells you to make a change and somebody tells you you have to be the one to do it but some people need a hand. Normal people tell you to go to a therapist somebody relatable that has been through the same exact issues would probably suit better than a therapist at least through my experiences therapy only help the voice those problems not solved them. Throughout my constant struggle of unlimited let downs in traumatic misery and extreme loneliness the best thing I can do is survive. At least until something happens or somebody helps me make a change who actually cares about me tells me I’m worth something but regardless other than that let’s talk about how I’ve been doing UA-cam for six years working my ass off day and night thinking of more ideas trying to continuously experimental different things even pushing my personality to the limits of being funny or likable maybe even controversial at sometimes but still after six years barely any growth has been seen. Sometimes I question if it’s just me as a person whenever I make a group it seems that nobody ever joins whenever I try anything that involves multiple people it never works I don’t understand why maybe it’s just bad luck maybe I have a shitty deck of cards.
I call the phenomenon of thinking something is universal when really it isn't the "Spicy Banana" phenomenon because every couple months someone on Tumblr realizes that some food like bananas is *not* supposed to hurt when you eat it and they actually have a food allergy. The opposite phenomenon, when some seemingly unique and mind-blowing experience is actually universal and mundane, I refer to as the "TIme Knife," for obvious reasons.
Thank you for this video. I am disappointed to say that your past 6-8 videos have not been shown to me by UA-cam despite having your notifications turned on. I was convinced you were on hiatus, lol
Am a big fan of your previous Doomer response videos, this one was more simple and went by fast when i listened to it the first time, but it was a pleasant surprise to listen to it ! Hearing news of someone who was stuck in doomerism getting better over time in some way is always relieving, gives me hope for myself as i crawl out of this mindset myself, inch by inch ! (Good luck to them and everyone else trying to do the same, even if it feels super hard on some days !) Always happy to see both these different kind of videos and the usual formats, thank you NM and keep it up !
When all you hear is your own thoughts, it's surprising how refreshing it can be to hear viewpoints outside your head. Even when you don't agree, it's a new pathway for the brain to explore and can break a circle of truisms that one has convinced oneself are universal. So it might not be that you can claim the glory fully for changing that persons life for the better. But it does sound like he/she at least started exploring thoughts outside the ones that got him/her stuck in an unproductive loop.
While I’m often annoyed by some bizarre reasoning, and how simple it is to explain around those things, I consistently remind myself that beliefs are literally just that. Beliefs by nature aren’t factual in the slightest, they just might slightly line up with reality most of the time.
I relate to this video but also I am already both a communist and somewhat of a doomer. I am kinda afraid we will not get our act together and end captialism in time before something catastrophic happens. It feels like most socialists are in their own little fragments of traditions of dead generations' strategies to socialism weighing on the brains of microsect members of the living. You're either stuck trying to do reformism, or you're stuck trying to redo the Soviet Union treating Lenin like an infallible prophet or you're an ancom stilll doing those mistakes (no offense to anarchists, I'm just more of a leftcom, if you guys are successful and prove me wrong then hey power to you). Anyone who wants to move away from this on currents like post-structuralism are fully involved in the philosophical and do not give direct policy. I don't honestly know much of what to do other than direct community work, but I'm also kinda alienated from my community as I've recently moved.
Great video. It's hard today for us to be optimistic when the working class is not yet in mass motion. Independent working class political action is key, and that requires a political party proletarian in program and composition. But as you point out, workers mass struggles have made their mark before, and will again. Comradely, Jay
what a great video. your videos are great no matter the topic. i will share this with someone and click the bell and all. though i dont think ive even been a doomer but like everybody ive gone through periods of pessimism and i somewhat understand having a pain that consumes everything in you and dictates your life, since i personally struggle with body dismorphia and disphoria. personally everything changed for me once i gained knowledge on radical feminism, which often borrows a lot from socialism. connecting with others, thinking more critically and trying to steer away from individualism can help so much and give so much hope. issues dont neccesarily go away, but learning youre not alone and that its not all helpless is so important
Something I have been thinking on is the doomer as an aesthetic. If you look especially on the youtube sphere the doomer despite all their failing still has a place of their own and some self autonomy even if it is a broken down car or the capability to go nightwalking. These types of content although having faded somewhat still are many young peoples introduction to the doomer as a lifestyle (for lack of a better term) and can be made appealing the same way a writer with a drinking problem can be seen as cool to emulate if presented in certain ways. This I think can lead to young people becoming "aware" on a surface level and getting pulled into the mindset even if the stressors of life have not gotten to them already.
Capitalist realism underlies a lot of the doomer ideology imo (or at least it did for me) - internalizing "there is no alternative" and then seeing the actual results of unchecked capitalism. Personally, accepting my anger and despair - rather than trying to hide from them - was the first step towards escaping that hole. I couldn't have done it alone - I needed someone (a therapist, in my case) to tell me that it was okay to feel that way, that trying to bury my feelings under ironic detachment was a large part of the problem. This feels like progress, but it's not enough by itself. I want to believe that a better world is possible, that people can and will come together to build something new and (hopefully) better. But *wanting* to believe isn't enough. imho I think we all need to find communities trying to work at least orthogonal to our current system, even if the goals seem small compared to the magnitude of the crises we are facing. Alienation and isolation are weapons of capital - we can't let ourselves be defeated by them.
I'm currently a doomer and it is 100% just depression and anxiety. I realized I was trans during the lockdown and being trans and in the closet has definitely impacted my view on the world for the negative. I hope that once I am able to transition that this doomer mindset will go away or at least change so it's more productive.
This one hit me as sharply as the last one. ...from what I remember in my mental haze. Thank you for your work, as ever. And to William, I'm glad he's doing better and, especially, with comrades. Not just cos socialism is awesome, but because it's a fantastic change from the usual going _right_ down the _other_ "red" pipeline. (Or "black".) Cheers, and fly safe, comrades.
As someone just sort of barely clawing my way out of the doomer hole, it's great to see you identify a lot of the things I've been thinking about to try and get out of this head space. It makes me feel like I'm in the right track Also yeah I've been subbed forever and I NEVER see anything from you when you upload, my friend always has to send it to me :/ fuckin youtube
I am pretty much a bloomer. I used to be pessimistic as a teenager and think why try in life if it’s all gonna go to shit. Had a change of heart because of maturity with age and support from family and friends to help with my depression. I have a large part to thank music such as logic and juice wrld to help bring some positive music with a positive outlook on life. The concept of 999 from Juice really helped me come out of my own personal hell. 999 is 666 upside down, which means you turn your own personal hell into a positive which is why the 666 is upside down, which is 999, the opposite of hell and the devil. His music really helped. This video was so helpful and was able to breaks down why I used to feel this way and on how to continue being a bloomer. Thank you so much ❤️
just wrote a negative comment on the first 1. cant complain about this one. what was gramatically stated as a fact now is properly labeld as belief and not assertive beyond any reason.
Hey, I'm not sure if this will help, but the fact that you commented means there's a small part of you that wants to live. Please hold onto that, hold onto anything that gives you joy, no matter how small or seemingly unimportant it is.
I too strongly suspect that depression and anxiety have an influence on the Doomer phenomenon, when the personal becomes political for those afflicted. But it was good to hear that the author of the email found a way to channel that discontent into positive activism. Also, the algorithm can eat my butt!
1 100% agree with your analysis of doomerism as a defense mechanism. when presented with such dangers as climate change and a political system that clearly does not care about preventing a fairly easily preventable apocalypse, the most natural response is disassociation. personally i feel that doomerism is what happens when someone stays in this state for too long, somewhat forgetting what it felt like to not disassociate so constantly. as pink floyd put it- 'comfortably numb'.
I am a massive overthinker and constantly wonder if there is any reason to 'work on my future' when any plans i make only exist in the context of a society seemingly now doomed to a collapse. but there is no end of the world, only the end of the world as we know it, and that is why i do not consider myself a doomer. climate change will eventually destroy the supply chains that cause it, and some people will surely survive, even if it is horrifically difficult in a world of near constant natural disasters.
Thank you so much for this. Glad you kicked C-vid and you're back in action! If you want to take more time off, please do!
I relate to the Doomer thing as kind of a political choice of sorts as I would describe it as “After Emo” where the mentally troubled and depressed mistreated teenagers of life I had a shitty deck of cards ended up throwing up and having an even worse deck then expected. Take someone like me I would describe myself is almost an anomaly, somebody who is so ordinarily different that they can’t fit in with a single friends it does people like me become overwhelmingly lonely and mistreated by the whole entirety of society. Thus the outlook on society would be seen as hopeless and ignorant. There is no hope in this world and that is unfortunately something that I grew into believing I haven’t had much luck and I have had more shitty days than even “fine” days.
I have hopes and desires but little belief that those things could actually happen. It’s easier said than done when somebody tells you to make a change and somebody tells you you have to be the one to do it but some people need a hand. Normal people tell you to go to a therapist somebody relatable that has been through the same exact issues would probably suit better than a therapist at least through my experiences therapy only help the voice those problems not solved them.
Throughout my constant struggle of unlimited let downs in traumatic misery and extreme loneliness the best thing I can do is survive. At least until something happens or somebody helps me make a change who actually cares about me tells me I’m worth something but regardless other than that let’s talk about how I’ve been doing UA-cam for six years working my ass off day and night thinking of more ideas trying to continuously experimental different things even pushing my personality to the limits of being funny or likable maybe even controversial at sometimes but still after six years barely any growth has been seen. Sometimes I question if it’s just me as a person whenever I make a group it seems that nobody ever joins whenever I try anything that involves multiple people it never works I don’t understand why maybe it’s just bad luck maybe I have a shitty deck of cards.
"Apathy is death, worse than death because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects." -Kreia, KOTOR2
I’ve benefited a surprising amount from it, but I suppose I can’t take everything a video game character says at face value
I call the phenomenon of thinking something is universal when really it isn't the "Spicy Banana" phenomenon because every couple months someone on Tumblr realizes that some food like bananas is *not* supposed to hurt when you eat it and they actually have a food allergy.
The opposite phenomenon, when some seemingly unique and mind-blowing experience is actually universal and mundane, I refer to as the "TIme Knife," for obvious reasons.
Thank you for this video. I am disappointed to say that your past 6-8 videos have not been shown to me by UA-cam despite having your notifications turned on. I was convinced you were on hiatus, lol
If you made this a yearly social recap, i would love it
this was a nice and relaxing vid and helpful for someone like me who can get in my head about this stuff
Am a big fan of your previous Doomer response videos, this one was more simple and went by fast when i listened to it the first time, but it was a pleasant surprise to listen to it ! Hearing news of someone who was stuck in doomerism getting better over time in some way is always relieving, gives me hope for myself as i crawl out of this mindset myself, inch by inch ! (Good luck to them and everyone else trying to do the same, even if it feels super hard on some days !)
Always happy to see both these different kind of videos and the usual formats, thank you NM and keep it up !
I found this helpful, even if it isn't the usual stuff.
there will be generations not even remember the reasons for depression we face.
When all you hear is your own thoughts, it's surprising how refreshing it can be to hear viewpoints outside your head. Even when you don't agree, it's a new pathway for the brain to explore and can break a circle of truisms that one has convinced oneself are universal.
So it might not be that you can claim the glory fully for changing that persons life for the better. But it does sound like he/she at least started exploring thoughts outside the ones that got him/her stuck in an unproductive loop.
While I’m often annoyed by some bizarre reasoning, and how simple it is to explain around those things, I consistently remind myself that beliefs are literally just that. Beliefs by nature aren’t factual in the slightest, they just might slightly line up with reality most of the time.
Humanity is doomed, but what comes after might warrant hope.
Slugs?
I relate to this video but also I am already both a communist and somewhat of a doomer. I am kinda afraid we will not get our act together and end captialism in time before something catastrophic happens. It feels like most socialists are in their own little fragments of traditions of dead generations' strategies to socialism weighing on the brains of microsect members of the living. You're either stuck trying to do reformism, or you're stuck trying to redo the Soviet Union treating Lenin like an infallible prophet or you're an ancom stilll doing those mistakes (no offense to anarchists, I'm just more of a leftcom, if you guys are successful and prove me wrong then hey power to you). Anyone who wants to move away from this on currents like post-structuralism are fully involved in the philosophical and do not give direct policy. I don't honestly know much of what to do other than direct community work, but I'm also kinda alienated from my community as I've recently moved.
Great video. It's hard today for us to be optimistic when the working class is not yet in mass motion. Independent working class political action is key, and that requires a political party proletarian in program and composition.
But as you point out, workers mass struggles have made their mark before, and will again.
Comradely,
Jay
Need to watch this, recent events have me feeling down
what a great video. your videos are great no matter the topic. i will share this with someone and click the bell and all. though i dont think ive even been a doomer but like everybody ive gone through periods of pessimism and i somewhat understand having a pain that consumes everything in you and dictates your life, since i personally struggle with body dismorphia and disphoria. personally everything changed for me once i gained knowledge on radical feminism, which often borrows a lot from socialism. connecting with others, thinking more critically and trying to steer away from individualism can help so much and give so much hope. issues dont neccesarily go away, but learning youre not alone and that its not all helpless is so important
So you're a radical feminist?
@@rx5241 yeah
Thank you Dave, that was excellent :) - Rich
Something I have been thinking on is the doomer as an aesthetic. If you look especially on the youtube sphere the doomer despite all their failing still has a place of their own and some self autonomy even if it is a broken down car or the capability to go nightwalking. These types of content although having faded somewhat still are many young peoples introduction to the doomer as a lifestyle (for lack of a better term) and can be made appealing the same way a writer with a drinking problem can be seen as cool to emulate if presented in certain ways. This I think can lead to young people becoming "aware" on a surface level and getting pulled into the mindset even if the stressors of life have not gotten to them already.
This is such an encouraging story. Thank
Capitalist realism underlies a lot of the doomer ideology imo (or at least it did for me) - internalizing "there is no alternative" and then seeing the actual results of unchecked capitalism.
Personally, accepting my anger and despair - rather than trying to hide from them - was the first step towards escaping that hole. I couldn't have done it alone - I needed someone (a therapist, in my case) to tell me that it was okay to feel that way, that trying to bury my feelings under ironic detachment was a large part of the problem. This feels like progress, but it's not enough by itself.
I want to believe that a better world is possible, that people can and will come together to build something new and (hopefully) better. But *wanting* to believe isn't enough. imho I think we all need to find communities trying to work at least orthogonal to our current system, even if the goals seem small compared to the magnitude of the crises we are facing.
Alienation and isolation are weapons of capital - we can't let ourselves be defeated by them.
I'm currently a doomer and it is 100% just depression and anxiety. I realized I was trans during the lockdown and being trans and in the closet has definitely impacted my view on the world for the negative. I hope that once I am able to transition that this doomer mindset will go away or at least change so it's more productive.
❤️
This one hit me as sharply as the last one. ...from what I remember in my mental haze. Thank you for your work, as ever.
And to William, I'm glad he's doing better and, especially, with comrades. Not just cos socialism is awesome, but because it's a fantastic change from the usual going _right_ down the _other_ "red" pipeline. (Or "black".)
Cheers, and fly safe, comrades.
As someone just sort of barely clawing my way out of the doomer hole, it's great to see you identify a lot of the things I've been thinking about to try and get out of this head space. It makes me feel like I'm in the right track
Also yeah I've been subbed forever and I NEVER see anything from you when you upload, my friend always has to send it to me :/ fuckin youtube
I never understood the doomer mentality but the current state of affairs around the world has me wondering what kind of a future will available to me.
I am pretty much a bloomer. I used to be pessimistic as a teenager and think why try in life if it’s all gonna go to shit. Had a change of heart because of maturity with age and support from family and friends to help with my depression.
I have a large part to thank music such as logic and juice wrld to help bring some positive music with a positive outlook on life. The concept of 999 from Juice really helped me come out of my own personal hell. 999 is 666 upside down, which means you turn your own personal hell into a positive which is why the 666 is upside down, which is 999, the opposite of hell and the devil. His music really helped.
This video was so helpful and was able to breaks down why I used to feel this way and on how to continue being a bloomer.
Thank you so much ❤️
just wrote a negative comment on the first 1.
cant complain about this one.
what was gramatically stated as a fact now is properly labeld as belief and not assertive beyond any reason.
Indeed
I guess I am a doomer
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Where’s my Subs…
Time for me to die
Hey, I'm not sure if this will help, but the fact that you commented means there's a small part of you that wants to live.
Please hold onto that, hold onto anything that gives you joy, no matter how small or seemingly unimportant it is.
I hope you'll be alright. ⋆hugs⋆
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