@dnomyarnostaw last answer, I promise : concerning night and bad weather, our last return from Guadeloupe back to Martinique ended in 3m high waves, 20 knots of wind ... by night. It *WAS* scary, but shunting wasn't a problem at all ( finding out where we where, as the GPS's batteries had given up, on the other hand ...)
@dnomyarnostaw (sorry, word count exceeded). There are a couple of good reasons to lose the rudder and shunt like that. The boat gains in speed due to lesser drag (our sail is less than 40m2 big for 40 feet of main hull and ~1 metric ton of weight),and we easily outsail everything with our racing rating), you don't have to worry about fisher nets or low tides as much, as there are no ~lose~ parts who could get entangled/hit rocks or corals ... couple more. no space left ;)
@dnomyarnostaw I don't have to imagine it :) the deck isn't THAT narrow actually, so it's really no problem to do that by night (although a head mounted lamp really helps) and the boat is quite stable, even in heavy weather. We had a couple of people falling off the boat, but it was always during the day and due to carelessness, except for one occasion, while the boat was at a pier in a marina after a race and the person in question had enjoyed slightly too much beers :)
Thanks for this video. Its good to see someone actually sticking closer to traditional. When comparing with traditional proas, most in the West seem to have way too stiff outrigger assemblies and too large Amas. Western Tri's and Cats have too much influence? Also, would a smaller Ama be easier to keep to the windward...? Did you ever get backwards to the wind? From watching the float hobby horse it appears that less rocker and a little more length would make the Ama work even better.
they are curved They used to be straight, but the sail ~looks~ better that way. (not so much from an aesthetical point of view than from an efficiency one) Thanks for your comments :)
C'est royal! en effet le flotteur est plus souple, et plus leger. La première musique est bien sympa. (Sur la partie 1 c une coincidence "Harry correy, ...morning" ? Non c pas Harry je connais corey Harris, pas mal aussi) J'espère que tu as décrit en details les modifs sur ton site.. a+
to Ray Watson, have you ever wondered why not all people drive cars.... many for some unknown reason choose to ride motorbikes...... motorbikes on the other hand are as safe as cars if used properly.
@@simonforbes2453 Any time that a car locks up their brakes in front of me I have the option to take the emergency lane or split traffic. In addition to this whenever I see a pack of cars behaving erratically then I just accelerate away from the pack. My bike has dual disc front brakes and I can stand up over the front wheel and have incredible stopping power. There are times in heavy traffic that I can stand up and look farther down the road than my counterparts in low riding cars. Many times this has allowed me the advance knowledge to make the appropriate move early to avoid a dangerous situation.
@dnomyarnostaw aehm .. yes. Of course. No need to become completely irresponsible. The narrowest part where you have to stand to do the shunt is approx. 1.40m wide, as the deck is much wider than the main hull (think airplane carrier). The point where the whole widthissue can seriously become dangerous is when you *have* to walk to the tips (when something broke for example), but there are very few damages which will result in an unmanoevrable ship (although due to the simplicity of the hull)
Bonjour Sammy, penses-tu qu'il serait possible de demander à ton frère Jérémie quelques infos sur cette proa (ou la dernière version) ? Je souhaiterais construire quelque chose de similaire et je voudrais commencer à dessiner les plans. Crois-tu que ça le dérangerait ? Merci!
it doesn't!? It's not a joke, it's actually quite traditional. The best way to think of it is as a really big surfboard : you steer by modifying the angle of the mast and thus modifying the weight distribution and center of gravity. If you want to sail in the opposite direction you just tilt the mast the other way.
Ancient time in Europe have no canoe,they have Captain Cook Ship hahahaha. Every one trying to copy the Pacific Islanders tradition Canoe lol they copy every thing that the Pacific Native do hahahahaha. Thanks to You tube for showing the world on Pacific Islanders Canoes.
Blimey - imagine trying to do that shunt in heavy weather, or even at night, on that narrow deck and having to dip the sail in the water. Except for the poor islanders that didnt have a choice of materials, why on earth would anyone build a boat like that ?
@sammyF70 - you have to be kidding !!!! walking out on that exposed deck in 3 metre waves would be bad enough, but having to do that to shunt sail ....... Were you wearing a safety harness ? I wouldnt want to be your insurer.
Hey, this is 3 years later, but I still felt like replying. The shunting proa has the outrigger always on the windward side. It works as a counterweight more than as a ballast. There is minimal loads on the structure as the wind never pushes the outrigger into the water, but out of it, making the drag minimal, causing the boat go even faster. To add counterweight, the sailor can move towards the outrigger and some modern, western proas have also utilised water ballast in the outrigger. There is also the "Atlantic Proa" Which is a version of a proa that has the outrigger always on the downwind side as you said. I don't really see the sense in it though. Such system was used in atlantic proa "CHEERS" .
you sailed very accurately on to that mooring! made it look very natural!
The first time I saw this video was a few years ago. But I loved the pros and had to see it again. Thanx
I get feeling this guy knows what he is doing. big thumbs up!
Pretty boat, and nicely keeping with tradition. Thanks for posting!
Летающий ама. И на подвижном соединении. Мне нравится ! ❤️👍
@dnomyarnostaw last answer, I promise : concerning night and bad weather, our last return from Guadeloupe back to Martinique ended in 3m high waves, 20 knots of wind ... by night. It *WAS* scary, but shunting wasn't a problem at all ( finding out where we where, as the GPS's batteries had given up, on the other hand ...)
@dnomyarnostaw (sorry, word count exceeded). There are a couple of good reasons to lose the rudder and shunt like that. The boat gains in speed due to lesser drag (our sail is less than 40m2 big for 40 feet of main hull and ~1 metric ton of weight),and we easily outsail everything with our racing rating), you don't have to worry about fisher nets or low tides as much, as there are no ~lose~ parts who could get entangled/hit rocks or corals ... couple more. no space left ;)
@dnomyarnostaw I don't have to imagine it :) the deck isn't THAT narrow actually, so it's really no problem to do that by night (although a head mounted lamp really helps) and the boat is quite stable, even in heavy weather. We had a couple of people falling off the boat, but it was always during the day and due to carelessness, except for one occasion, while the boat was at a pier in a marina after a race and the person in question had enjoyed slightly too much beers :)
Thanks for this video.
Its good to see someone actually sticking closer to traditional. When comparing with traditional proas, most in the West seem to have way too stiff
outrigger assemblies and too large Amas. Western Tri's and Cats have too much influence?
Also, would a smaller Ama be easier to keep to the windward...? Did you ever get backwards to the wind?
From watching the float hobby horse it appears that less rocker and a little more length would make the Ama work even better.
amazing proa. nice balance, nice hull. cant really understand western proas and their symmetrical hulls, stiff akas and expensive rigs.... nice boat.
How can you see the asymmetry in this boat?
they are curved They used to be straight, but the sail ~looks~ better that way. (not so much from an aesthetical point of view than from an efficiency one)
Thanks for your comments :)
C'est royal! en effet le flotteur est plus souple, et plus leger.
La première musique est bien sympa. (Sur la partie 1 c une coincidence "Harry correy, ...morning" ? Non c pas Harry je connais corey Harris, pas mal aussi)
J'espère que tu as décrit en details les modifs sur ton site.. a+
Love it :-)
to Ray Watson, have you ever wondered why not all people drive cars.... many for some unknown reason choose to ride motorbikes...... motorbikes on the other hand are as safe as cars if used properly.
Motorbikes are as safe as cars?
@@simonforbes2453 In the right hands, even safer. Balkan Shipyards
@@BalkanShipyards Give me an example of a situation where you are safer on a bike than in a car.
@@simonforbes2453 Any time that a car locks up their brakes in front of me I have the option to take the emergency lane or split traffic. In addition to this whenever I see a pack of cars behaving erratically then I just accelerate away from the pack. My bike has dual disc front brakes and I can stand up over the front wheel and have incredible stopping power. There are times in heavy traffic that I can stand up and look farther down the road than my counterparts in low riding cars. Many times this has allowed me the advance knowledge to make the appropriate move early to avoid a dangerous situation.
Rockin..
@dnomyarnostaw aehm .. yes. Of course. No need to become completely irresponsible. The narrowest part where you have to stand to do the shunt is approx. 1.40m wide, as the deck is much wider than the main hull (think airplane carrier). The point where the whole widthissue can seriously become dangerous is when you *have* to walk to the tips (when something broke for example), but there are very few damages which will result in an unmanoevrable ship (although due to the simplicity of the hull)
Bonjour Sammy,
penses-tu qu'il serait possible de demander à ton frère Jérémie quelques infos sur cette proa (ou la dernière version) ? Je souhaiterais construire quelque chose de similaire et je voudrais commencer à dessiner les plans. Crois-tu que ça le dérangerait ? Merci!
How does it turn@ iş it a
joke
it doesn't!? It's not a joke, it's actually quite traditional. The best way to think of it is as a really big surfboard : you steer by modifying the angle of the mast and thus modifying the weight distribution and center of gravity. If you want to sail in the opposite direction you just tilt the mast the other way.
Ancient time in Europe have no canoe,they have Captain Cook Ship hahahaha. Every one trying to copy the Pacific Islanders tradition Canoe lol they copy every thing that the Pacific Native do hahahahaha. Thanks to You tube for showing the world on Pacific Islanders Canoes.
Blimey - imagine trying to do that shunt in heavy weather, or even at night, on that narrow deck and having to dip the sail in the water. Except for the poor islanders that didnt have a choice of materials, why on earth would anyone build a boat like that ?
If it was to make someone jealous to the point of persistent fault finding, has to be said that worked.
non .. a peu pres la meme taille. Quelque chose comme 35m2.
@sammyF70 - you have to be kidding !!!! walking out on that exposed deck in 3 metre waves would be bad enough, but having to do that to shunt sail ....... Were you wearing a safety harness ? I wouldnt want to be your insurer.
Fijian Tongan tradition Canoe,Every one is copy the Fijian Tongan Canoe hahahahaha thanks to You tube lol
I'm missing something !...the shunting proa had the outrigger on the downwind side and kept it there ! Why are you doing it like this !!
Hey, this is 3 years later, but I still felt like replying. The shunting proa has the outrigger always on the windward side. It works as a counterweight more than as a ballast. There is minimal loads on the structure as the wind never pushes the outrigger into the water, but out of it, making the drag minimal, causing the boat go even faster. To add counterweight, the sailor can move towards the outrigger and some modern, western proas have also utilised water ballast in the outrigger. There is also the "Atlantic Proa" Which is a version of a proa that has the outrigger always on the downwind side as you said. I don't really see the sense in it though. Such system was used in atlantic proa "CHEERS" .
This in a big blow would work well NOT !!!!