As Ian was describing the history of that piece, it was hard to hear him over the sound of the collector value whooshing upwards. Rarity, condition, history, curiousity value...
The one in the original condition (№4), however, sold below expectations in 2012: www.rockislandauction.com/detail/56/3554/experimental-colt-model-1910-98-mm-pistol-serial-number-4
I suspect it was part of the 1929 refurbishment Ian mentioned. This example doesn't have those: www.rockislandauction.com/detail/56/3554/experimental-colt-model-1910-98-mm-pistol-serial-number-4
Okay so my Colt 22 ACE made for civilians in 1937 is this size. It has more "1911a1" style than this example, but it is this size. I know from 1931 to 1941 only 10000ish were made. I didn't know about this"1910" prototype. Thanks for bringing this gun to us. It appears there is more to this story.
Ruger would probably wait for keltec to do most of the legwork and then introduce theirs later. Or SW. They don't really have anything all that special or unique.
In the additional info of the video, he indicates that it was sold onto the civilian market. Could have been during one of the numerous bankruptcies Colt is known for.
Their ought to be a museum dedicated to the incompetence and ineptitude of Colt's management and unions in the later half of the 20th century up to their demise.
Ian, fascinating pistol: it exhibits M1911A1 Transitional features such as the arched mainspring housing, the extended grip safety (beavertail), the stamped trigger, the full-checkered walnut grip panels and the slide roll markings of pistols produced in the 1920's while not having the finger cutouts behind the triggerguard.
Saw this in the current RIA auction catalog I got in the mail and was thinking this would be a interesting gun for Ian to make a video about. Lol. Thanks for the great videos.
I was going to say the same thing. The 1911 fits me like a glove. I think it is poetic given that I grew up drooling over the things until I finally bought a Colt as my very first firearm.
I owned a Star. 380 scaled down 1911 pattern , much smaller than your Colt, gorgeous little, gun every time I decided to sell it I'd go to the range to give it a goodbye shoot, and realise how nice it shot as a backup pistol loved it until the 1995 UK handgun ban.
it reminds me a lot of a Colt Combat Commander in .38 Super my old police Chief carried when I first signed onto the police force in my home town. I got hired because I was the only Vietnam Vet who applied and they had a special deal with the VA where the fed would pay half my wages for the first 9 months of employment and I would need to be employed for one year or they would have to refund the money to the Fed. The Chief's pistol was nickeled and was very pretty indeed, we used to kid him that he carried a pimp gun but he never took it very seriously.
That mainspring housing makes you scratch your head. Colt evidently considered it right off the bat, unless it was changed in the refurb in 1929. It has the short trigger, too.
@@TWX1138 www.rockislandauction.com/detail/56/3554/experimental-colt-model-1910-98-mm-pistol-serial-number-4 Note the mainspring housing, trigger length and grip safety tang on this pictured 1910.
Enjoyed this, as I do with then all. You mentioned where this could have gone. Well I have a Browning 1911 - .380 that is about 85% of my full size 1911. It is a pleasure to shoot, when I could get .380 ammo. It's small and light enough to be a carry gun.
Ian, I almost never comment on videos but I had to say this was awesome. Now all we need to do is convince somebody to mass produce this gun and I bet there would be one in every nightstand.
It's always fun when Ian gets so involved in the presentation of something so rare and previously unknown to the rest of the world that he has to be careful not to swallow his tongue. Now, I'm 6'3" and I can one-hand a basketball, so you might think I'd love a good sized pistol. That is, indeed, true, and a 1911 is just fine in that area, as is a double stacked P-14 or a Coonan. I'm not sure why it is that I prefer a TT-33, then. Somehow, I've come to prefer the fit and feel of this Russian variant over the more likely 1911. So, when I saw the difference in size comparison, I knew I'd just love to try this on. Never gonna happen, I know, but now I have that unscratchable itch...
Ah! this is why with the 1929 museum re-work of this gun we see an "arched" main spring housing, part of the 1911-A1 make-up over the older straight housing 1911's.
You're correct, the original ones didin't have all that: www.rockislandauction.com/detail/56/3554/experimental-colt-model-1910-98-mm-pistol-serial-number-4
@@icepicjoey I wouldn’t say it’s ideal, but considering how minor the improvements to the Browning system have been over the last hundred years (linkless barrels and double stack magazines being the biggest) you certainly aren’t at all far behind the curve with one. There’s a reason why so many new pistols are effectively product improved 1911s: Browning’s system is just awesome.
This pistol has obvious post-1925 features on it... arched mainspring housing, A1 grip safety, thumb safety and slide stop... and the front part of the slide is darker meaning it was heat treated which Colt didn't start doing until 1925 on the 1911A1. Also the rollmarks are definitely post-WW1 era. I believe this pistol was actually newly-made around 1929 like you mentioned at the end of your video.
My great-grandfather, Will Zumwalt, and his brother Alec were ranchers in the Ft. Sumner area of New Mexico in the early 1900’s. In 1909, they were in a gunfight with another pair of brothers named Hall, and the Hall’s lost. (The local sheriff counted 21 holes in the body of one of the Hall’s.) Family legend has it that my great-grandfather and his brother were armed with .380 Colts, but I have questioned this for years. The .380 had only been introduced the year before, and it always seemed doubtful to me that two young ranchers operating in the far west would have the latest Colt pistols. It seems far more likely they were armed with a 1900, 1902, or 1903 Colt in .38 ACP. Unfortunately, the trial records for Will (he was charged with manslaughter and subsequently acquitted) make no mention of either the guns or the cartridges. I wonder what an old west historian would have to say about this? The Hall Brothers, legend has it, were armed with Colt SAA’s. It doesn’t seems like a fair fight either way.
Reminds me a lot of the modern Browning Black Label 1911 in .380acp. It is a shrunk down 1911 that surprisingly fits well in the hand. (Which surprised me as I have quite the meathooks)
I was coming to make this same comment. Those black labels are very well done and great shooting little guns! Another "wish I hadn't sold it" situation.
It would be super cool if CZ/Colt brought this back to market in 9mm. It would be crazy expensive and probably not worth it over the newer fixes to 9mm 1911 problems, but it would be really interesting to see nonetheless.
Seems like the closest thing to that would be a Springfield EMP; which, as I understand it, is a scaled down 1911 in 9mm. (They also make 'standard' 1911's in 9mm...) Kinda the same concept... but backwards.
The .38 ACP was no slouch for its day. It clocked a 125 grain slug at a nominal 1,100 fps which makes it comparable to the 9mm parabellum's 124 grains at 1,150 fps. A 9mm in that slightly smaller frame size could have been a winner for some European military and even the .38 ACP should have interested someone.
Reminds me a lot of the little Star BM and BMK that I had, my Star PD was a bit smaller and the little Citadel that I have now is smaller but none of them look as sleek as that 1910. Comparison, the M1911 is like an Impala, the 1910 like the Corvette
That's a shame because that frame size would be just perfect for my smaller size hands. That tiny bit of difference would be great for handling it better.
I had heard of this pistol and cartridge before somewhere, probably in an article in American Rifleman. Only I thought it was from the late 20s or early 30s. Be that as it may be, in 1910, the .45 ACP was not a standard cartridge anywhere and (I think) only the Germans were using the 9mm by then. It seems to have been a common practice ever since cartridges became available that when a manufacturer introduced a model, they only chambered them in their own cartridges. So Colt would never chamber a Smith & Wesson cartridge or vice versa. And if they did (which they did), they'd call it something else. But proprietary cartridges are still being introduced. Some models of Star automatic pistols were quite similar to the "slightly smaller" 1911. In fact, Star made a wide variety of single action pistols, all variations of a Colt automatic.
When Colt refinished this, did they put all new roll marks on the slide as well? The font and visible markings are clearly in the style that begins to appear in 1927 or 1928.
Excellent video. I wonder what would have happened if Colt had introduced this model in 9mm instead of the Commander for the post-WWII pistol trials.. ..
I see this pistol has the arched mainspring housing and short trigger of the 1911A1 , is this something that they did when they refurbished it for the museum or is it originally designed this way in 1910 and if so why would they return to the flat housing and long trigger on the 1911 ?
Apparently they fired this thing once every five years, then cleaned it with baby soft cotton balls, before storing it in a royal velvet box. I have a 38 Super 1911 that is half the age of this pistol that doesn't look that good. Props to who ever owned this for gun care.
A few years ago I did a test shooting of a 1911-pattern 9mm, that was itself scaled down to be a compact 9mm. I found it to be horrible, it felt unsafe, awful to shoot, I wanted nothing to do with it. One of the other testers marked it as the best he'd shot that day. Just goes to show, pistols really are a personal thing.
I don't blame the salesman for failing to return the pistol he checked out in 1922..."If they want it back, they just need to ask me and I'll return it." Meanwhile your buddy in the company armoury 'files' the loan form in return for a bottle of single malt...👍 Once again proof that the 1911 Colt is the most handsome automatic pistol ever made, when one takes a look at the originals.
While most people, and many ammo companies call it '38 Super', seeing at it started out as a .38ACP and was bumped in power, it really should be called "Super .38" or "Super .38ACP" But i'll have less luck getting people to adopt the proper term than I do with getting people to stop calling magazines "clips"... ;) A 9/10 scale 1911 would be perfect for a 9mm or Super .38 level/size cartridge. Want.
The caliber has me confused. 9.8mm is .385, a true .38, whereas 9mm/traditional .38 are actually .354 (generally rendered as .357). Was there to be a unique cartridge, or is this simply one of those gray areas in firearms nomenclature?
The tolerances aren't that tight, especially back at the turn of the (20th) century. A thousandth of an inch is insignificant compared to the lands, and the groves of the rifling. Also, Nominal caliber is rarely exact to actual caliber. Since you're forcing a copper jacketed lead slug down the barrel with fire, it doesn't really have to be, for a prototype pistol.
9.8 mm did exist but it was called .41 Long Colt. Ian pointed out that this wasn't really a 9.8, and my guess would be that the term might have been a placeholder to distinguish it from .38 ACP, as that caliber had been provided in an earlier trial. Fwiw, 9mm Lugar is 9.01mm/.355“ and - I'm going to say from memory that it was around - the late 1980s that Colt publicly stated that all of their 9mm, .38 Spl, and .357 Magnum pistol bores were all cut to the same diameter, .355“, and had been for some time. Kudos to @Psiberzerker for his comment on this, it doesn't make sense to try otherwise.
@@Ni999 Colt really liked the ".38" nomenclature. In rifles, .358 is called "Thirty five caliber." Honestly, this sort of thing is fairly common in small arms. The nominal caliber isn't always exactly the same as the actual caliber, and they don't cut barrels down to the thousandth of an inch. The chamber tolerances are generally that tight, for a good gas seal, though. Also, for match grade competition guns, and precision rifles, but never for sidearms.
When you forget your 1911 in your IWB holster and it goes through the wash.
It would be very clean!,!
hate it when that happens
Too funny!
Very depressing mornings they are
That's funny. I like the way you think.
1911: What are you?
1910: I am you, but smol
As Ian was describing the history of that piece, it was hard to hear him over the sound of the collector value whooshing upwards. Rarity, condition, history, curiousity value...
"One of a Kind" gets tossed around a LOT but...there it is.
The one in the original condition (№4), however, sold below expectations in 2012: www.rockislandauction.com/detail/56/3554/experimental-colt-model-1910-98-mm-pistol-serial-number-4
@@F1ghteR41 Put your mouse over the main photo on that page and move your mouse wheel. Shows how they shrunk it.
@@lostalone9320 Let's just wait and see how this one would sell.
@@lostalone9320 the finish on it is orgasmic along side with the other stuff
That thing is in immaculate condition. Holy crap, it’s gorgeous.
Sure is!
This doesn't seem to have been moved at all
Few pistols are as sexy as a polished steel 1911
@@42ZaphodB42 Read the description.
@@skepticalbadger Damn. I was right 😁
I notice that it uses a lot of the ergonomic improvements that went into the 1911A1: Curved backstrap, longer hammer spur, shorter trigger, etc.
I suspect it was part of the 1929 refurbishment Ian mentioned. This example doesn't have those: www.rockislandauction.com/detail/56/3554/experimental-colt-model-1910-98-mm-pistol-serial-number-4
You can tell Ian is excited and trying to get the story out as quick as he can 😄
Totally
Yeah I almost thought I left 1,25/1,5 playback speed on but no, just a happy Ian.
You wanna go bowling cousin?
@@lamborghinimiurap4005 “Sorry man got shit to do.Can’t bowl with you right now”
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Content like this is why Ian is one of my favorite GunTuber guys.
Okay so my Colt 22 ACE made for civilians in 1937 is this size. It has more "1911a1" style than this example, but it is this size. I know from 1931 to 1941 only 10000ish were made. I didn't know about this"1910" prototype. Thanks for bringing this gun to us. It appears there is more to this story.
Looking forward to watch C&R's many-hour episode on 1911...
The Universe might reach Temperature death a week before the episode is aired.
Othias is going to need a bigger table if he is going to cover the variations and guns leading up to the 1911. A literal pile of 1911s.
Learn something every day , wow I'm 60+ and never knew this . Thanks very much .
Ian : " ..and nobody's going to put them into production now "
Kel Tec and Ruger simultaneously : " Hold mah beer ! "
Ruger would probably wait for keltec to do most of the legwork and then introduce theirs later. Or SW. They don't really have anything all that special or unique.
Chamber it in .30 acp/shortened M-1 carbine brass with modern powder. 7.62x21 ?
@@glennruscher4007 sounds like a 32 hr magnum automatic, or a 7.65 french long.
I'd buy one
@@randomidiot8142 What has Ruger copied from KelTec recently? The only thing I know about is the P3AT -> LCP
I want a Ruger Sub2000 and CP33
I wish Ian had showcased the tiny legs that pistol spontaneously grew that enabled it to walk out of the Colt Museum and into a private collection.
I second that motion.
I think he covered a video about one of the worst perpetrators of the thefts from the Colt museum collection.
In the additional info of the video, he indicates that it was sold onto the civilian market. Could have been during one of the numerous bankruptcies Colt is known for.
@@SlavicCelery that would do it
Their ought to be a museum dedicated to the incompetence and ineptitude of Colt's management and unions in the later half of the 20th century up to their demise.
Colts travails in "what if" moments go back a long way...
More like preserving market share by threatening competitors. The Winchester-Colt gentleman's agreement comes to mind.
Serial number 2 might be sitting in an old mans collection right now, and no one knows about it. Wild.
I could imagine he still has the original box of ammo for it since that round never got.. er.. around.
Ian, fascinating pistol: it exhibits M1911A1 Transitional features such as the arched mainspring housing, the extended grip safety (beavertail), the stamped trigger, the full-checkered walnut grip panels and the slide roll markings of pistols produced in the 1920's while not having the finger cutouts behind the triggerguard.
Ahhh yes the famous 9.8 mm cartridge ! So many of us grew up on the wonderful 9.8 mm errrrr
Saw this in the current RIA auction catalog I got in the mail and was thinking this would be a interesting gun for Ian to make a video about. Lol. Thanks for the great videos.
I have always loved the 1911 pistol. I have fairly large beefy hands and the size of the gun is just really comfortable to use for me.
I was going to say the same thing. The 1911 fits me like a glove. I think it is poetic given that I grew up drooling over the things until I finally bought a Colt as my very first firearm.
The cool thing about the M1911 is that it fits smaller hands, too.
I just watched your video on the history of Colt, good timing with releasing this!
Now CZ (Colt) needs to get these back into production!
It's basically a Baby Rock.
@@ScottKenny1978 Baby Rocks are smaller than this.
There are already a couple slightly more scaled down 1911s on the market in .380 ACP.
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Bolt or Colt which is it heretic.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine because this isn't as big as a 1911.
I owned a Star. 380 scaled down 1911 pattern , much smaller than your Colt, gorgeous little, gun every time I decided to sell it I'd go to the range to give it a goodbye shoot, and realise how nice it shot as a backup pistol loved it until the 1995 UK handgun ban.
Browning kind of did this for their 1911-380 pistol. It’s a scaled down 1911 for 380. Fun guns to shoot.
Wow, didn't know Colt started it's work on 10mm in 1910
1911 was meant to be made with American 10mm Auto. Browning just didn't have the powder to make it happen.
It'd be interesting to have an update on the realised auction price. I'm guessing that pistol will go for a very large number.
Yes. It will go for not one, not two, but five boxes of 9mm ammo.
@@JimYeats Now it's 10 rounds in a baggie.
God damn that gun has never even seen a bullet. Looks like it just came of the conveyer
Thanks Ian! Now you made me want a Commander in 9mm.
Always informative and entertaining! Keep up the great work.
it reminds me a lot of a Colt Combat Commander in .38 Super my old police Chief carried when I first signed onto the police force in my home town. I got hired because I was the only Vietnam Vet who applied and they had a special deal with the VA where the fed would pay half my wages for the first 9 months of employment and I would need to be employed for one year or they would have to refund the money to the Fed. The Chief's pistol was nickeled and was very pretty indeed, we used to kid him that he carried a pimp gun but he never took it very seriously.
Definitely a "forgotten" part of 1911 lore. It seems to have futuristic look of the 1911A1. (Arched mainspring housing?) Thanks Ian!
That mainspring housing makes you scratch your head. Colt evidently considered it right off the bat, unless it was changed in the refurb in 1929. It has the short trigger, too.
@@Robert32064 I'm betting on the refurb, especially if they were using it for essentially marketing for the new pistols.
@@TWX1138 www.rockislandauction.com/detail/56/3554/experimental-colt-model-1910-98-mm-pistol-serial-number-4 Note the mainspring housing, trigger length and grip safety tang on this pictured 1910.
Enjoyed this, as I do with then all. You mentioned where this could have gone. Well I have a Browning 1911 - .380 that is about 85% of my full size 1911. It is a pleasure to shoot, when I could get .380 ammo. It's small and light enough to be a carry gun.
Ian, I almost never comment on videos but I had to say this was awesome. Now all we need to do is convince somebody to mass produce this gun and I bet there would be one in every nightstand.
It's always fun when Ian gets so involved in the presentation of something so rare and previously unknown to the rest of the world that he has to be careful not to swallow his tongue. Now, I'm 6'3" and I can one-hand a basketball, so you might think I'd love a good sized pistol. That is, indeed, true, and a 1911 is just fine in that area, as is a double stacked P-14 or a Coonan. I'm not sure why it is that I prefer a TT-33, then. Somehow, I've come to prefer the fit and feel of this Russian variant over the more likely 1911. So, when I saw the difference in size comparison, I knew I'd just love to try this on. Never gonna happen, I know, but now I have that unscratchable itch...
And Colt mucks up another opportunity for a winner. Amazing they lasted as long as they did.
I think I found Fireplace Guy's next gun. :)
Interesting it has an arched mainspring housing. Guessing that was a part of the work done in 1929.
What a beautiful pistol! Thanks for showing this!
Ah! this is why with the 1929 museum re-work of this gun we see an "arched" main spring housing, part of the 1911-A1 make-up over the older straight housing 1911's.
You're correct, the original ones didin't have all that: www.rockislandauction.com/detail/56/3554/experimental-colt-model-1910-98-mm-pistol-serial-number-4
Watching Forgotten Weapons is what has made me want to learn gunsmithing. So I can make replicas of all these obscure, but wonderful firearms.
Stop wanting and start doing, get a move on messing stuff up and getting that learning curve pointed upwards 👍
The last time I was this early, the 1911 was an ideal service pistol.
It still is. I carried one before I retired and still do.
Underrated comment, even though it’s 8 minutes old lol
Still is buddles.
@@icepicjoey I wouldn’t say it’s ideal, but considering how minor the improvements to the Browning system have been over the last hundred years (linkless barrels and double stack magazines being the biggest) you certainly aren’t at all far behind the curve with one. There’s a reason why so many new pistols are effectively product improved 1911s: Browning’s system is just awesome.
That's a slick piece. Perfect size.
That really reminds me the FN « Grand Browning » 1910 in 9.65 x 23mm. Ian put a link at the end of the video.
Thank you , Ian
This pistol has obvious post-1925 features on it... arched mainspring housing, A1 grip safety, thumb safety and slide stop... and the front part of the slide is darker meaning it was heat treated which Colt didn't start doing until 1925 on the 1911A1. Also the rollmarks are definitely post-WW1 era. I believe this pistol was actually newly-made around 1929 like you mentioned at the end of your video.
My great-grandfather, Will Zumwalt, and his brother Alec were ranchers in the Ft. Sumner area of New Mexico in the early 1900’s. In 1909, they were in a gunfight with another pair of brothers named Hall, and the Hall’s lost. (The local sheriff counted 21 holes in the body of one of the Hall’s.) Family legend has it that my great-grandfather and his brother were armed with .380 Colts, but I have questioned this for years. The .380 had only been introduced the year before, and it always seemed doubtful to me that two young ranchers operating in the far west would have the latest Colt pistols. It seems far more likely they were armed with a 1900, 1902, or 1903 Colt in .38 ACP. Unfortunately, the trial records for Will (he was charged with manslaughter and subsequently acquitted) make no mention of either the guns or the cartridges. I wonder what an old west historian would have to say about this? The Hall Brothers, legend has it, were armed with Colt SAA’s. It doesn’t seems like a fair fight either way.
Love the history and storytelling. Super interesting. Thanks!
Very interesting gun. It's sad it never reached the market. Thanks for this video.
Now that is a true forlorn gun. Dare I even call it a forgotten weapon?
Reminds me a lot of the modern Browning Black Label 1911 in .380acp. It is a shrunk down 1911 that surprisingly fits well in the hand. (Which surprised me as I have quite the meathooks)
Or the Springfield EMP.
I was coming to make this same comment. Those black labels are very well done and great shooting little guns! Another "wish I hadn't sold it" situation.
That cross hatching on the trigger makes me drool.
The Baby Nambu to the 1911’s Papa Nambu with the 50 GI 1911 being the Grandpa Nambu
It would be super cool if CZ/Colt brought this back to market in 9mm. It would be crazy expensive and probably not worth it over the newer fixes to 9mm 1911 problems, but it would be really interesting to see nonetheless.
I like his technical descriptions... "equally squished"..
OMG that thing as nice as they come! Wow
Cool history! Thank you Ian Take Care
Seems like the closest thing to that would be a Springfield EMP; which, as I understand it, is a scaled down 1911 in 9mm. (They also make 'standard' 1911's in 9mm...)
Kinda the same concept... but backwards.
What a beauty!!!!
Wow....
Thanks, Ian!
A true beauty of a pistol.
I think they should build this pistol and cartridge again . I want one .
Just bought a Browning 1911-380 85% smaller ! love it!
Browning currently make scaled-down 1911's in .380 ACP, if anyone is interested. They're 85% scale.
Well the big question is where is that 38 the salesman checked out? That's got to be a special gun. A holy grail.
The .38 ACP was no slouch for its day. It clocked a 125 grain slug at a nominal 1,100 fps which makes it comparable to the 9mm parabellum's 124 grains at 1,150 fps. A 9mm in that slightly smaller frame size could have been a winner for some European military and even the .38 ACP should have interested someone.
It is a really interesting story and a very beautiful gun. Thanks again for the content
It's also got the extended tang on the grip safety .
Reminds me a lot of the little Star BM and BMK that I had, my Star PD was a bit smaller and the little Citadel that I have now is smaller but none of them look as sleek as that 1910. Comparison, the M1911 is like an Impala, the 1910 like the Corvette
This might have been said but the Springfield EMP 4” seems to be a modern equivalent.
Ian you are a genius, the should have called it the "squished ".
That's a shame because that frame size would be just perfect for my smaller size hands. That tiny bit of difference would be great for handling it better.
@@zoiders girth is always more important than length.
Always.
I had heard of this pistol and cartridge before somewhere, probably in an article in American Rifleman. Only I thought it was from the late 20s or early 30s. Be that as it may be, in 1910, the .45 ACP was not a standard cartridge anywhere and (I think) only the Germans were using the 9mm by then. It seems to have been a common practice ever since cartridges became available that when a manufacturer introduced a model, they only chambered them in their own cartridges. So Colt would never chamber a Smith & Wesson cartridge or vice versa. And if they did (which they did), they'd call it something else. But proprietary cartridges are still being introduced.
Some models of Star automatic pistols were quite similar to the "slightly smaller" 1911. In fact, Star made a wide variety of single action pistols, all variations of a Colt automatic.
FN does make an 85% sized 1911 for the .380 ACP, a very nice gun.
Reminds me of the Browning 1911-380, but 100 years earlier.
When Colt refinished this, did they put all new roll marks on the slide as well? The font and visible markings are clearly in the style that begins to appear in 1927 or 1928.
Wow, what a beautiful gun.
Browning currently makes their similar 1911-380 that is a 15% scaled down 1911
As does Rock Island.
Looks spectacular; didn't Dillinger have one in FA and in .38 SPC?.
No. .38 Special is a revolver cartridge. And an exellent one too.
Gonna be my first handgun. It runs it’s generations in our fam
Excellent video. I wonder what would have happened if Colt had introduced this model in 9mm instead of the Commander for the post-WWII pistol trials.. ..
Nicely made, must be nice to have craftsmen to make you something like that just to give them some mental exercise.
I see this pistol has the arched mainspring housing and short trigger of the 1911A1 , is this something that they did when they refurbished it for the museum or is it originally designed this way in 1910 and if so why would they return to the flat housing and long trigger on the 1911 ?
6:02 - lol
I should add this to my wishlist, just seems neat
The best handgun ever, but with slightly less of it.
Apparently they fired this thing once every five years, then cleaned it with baby soft cotton balls, before storing it in a royal velvet box. I have a 38 Super 1911 that is half the age of this pistol that doesn't look that good. Props to who ever owned this for gun care.
Odd that it has the later characteristics of the short trigger and hump in the mainspring housing.
That surface finish and engraving on the slide looks like it was just made a year ago.
A few years ago I did a test shooting of a 1911-pattern 9mm, that was itself scaled down to be a compact 9mm. I found it to be horrible, it felt unsafe, awful to shoot, I wanted nothing to do with it.
One of the other testers marked it as the best he'd shot that day.
Just goes to show, pistols really are a personal thing.
Browning has the 85% scale 380s. Got to shoot one. I was impressed.
Fair quality and reasonable caliber for the times it was produced
Would be interesting to have a look at an early 1911 in .38 Super.
Beautiful. Looks like they updated it to A-1.
Now there's an idea for CZ/Colt, make them in 9x19, slightly modernized (trigger, beavertail, sights). 😁
This pistol was used in Hollywood film's because they had a problems with 45 acp blanks. The early war films of the late 1920s and 1930's
Year 3000:
On today's forgotten weapon, we have the SCAR
“Equally Squished” is the name of my new band!
What a nifty handgun!
Holy shit, this gun is going to be sold for a fortune. I sure hope Ian will ad later on what it went for...
@@BatCaveOzThanks for the info. Saw that he didn't do it anymore, but didn't think too much about.
Will definitely look this one up.
The design hasn't changed at all
Ian, could you do the bolt action m1 garand made by South Korea in the 1950's?
I'm pretty sure its name was Daehan rifle
대한 소총
if he can find it in a workable condition, I believe he'll do a video about it.
Used to be a video but now be made private.
@@TheDocPlatypus there ya go
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@@killzoneisa which one?
@@gagida1829 they’re the same link
I don't blame the salesman for failing to return the pistol he checked out in 1922..."If they want it back, they just need to ask me and I'll return it." Meanwhile your buddy in the company armoury 'files' the loan form in return for a bottle of single malt...👍
Once again proof that the 1911 Colt is the most handsome automatic pistol ever made, when one takes a look at the originals.
While most people, and many ammo companies call it '38 Super', seeing at it started out as a .38ACP and was bumped in power, it really should be called "Super .38" or "Super .38ACP"
But i'll have less luck getting people to adopt the proper term than I do with getting people to stop calling magazines "clips"... ;)
A 9/10 scale 1911 would be perfect for a 9mm or Super .38 level/size cartridge.
Want.
I have the same but in 45acp caliber made in 1917 it belonged to Richard Roberts Morrison.
The caliber has me confused. 9.8mm is .385, a true .38, whereas 9mm/traditional .38 are actually .354 (generally rendered as .357). Was there to be a unique cartridge, or is this simply one of those gray areas in firearms nomenclature?
The tolerances aren't that tight, especially back at the turn of the (20th) century. A thousandth of an inch is insignificant compared to the lands, and the groves of the rifling. Also, Nominal caliber is rarely exact to actual caliber. Since you're forcing a copper jacketed lead slug down the barrel with fire, it doesn't really have to be, for a prototype pistol.
@@Psiberzerker Thanks!
9.8 mm did exist but it was called .41 Long Colt. Ian pointed out that this wasn't really a 9.8, and my guess would be that the term might have been a placeholder to distinguish it from .38 ACP, as that caliber had been provided in an earlier trial.
Fwiw, 9mm Lugar is 9.01mm/.355“ and - I'm going to say from memory that it was around - the late 1980s that Colt publicly stated that all of their 9mm, .38 Spl, and .357 Magnum pistol bores were all cut to the same diameter, .355“, and had been for some time. Kudos to @Psiberzerker for his comment on this, it doesn't make sense to try otherwise.
@@Ni999 Thanks; these comments are very informative!
@@Ni999 Colt really liked the ".38" nomenclature. In rifles, .358 is called "Thirty five caliber." Honestly, this sort of thing is fairly common in small arms. The nominal caliber isn't always exactly the same as the actual caliber, and they don't cut barrels down to the thousandth of an inch. The chamber tolerances are generally that tight, for a good gas seal, though. Also, for match grade competition guns, and precision rifles, but never for sidearms.