Thanks Fred, for giving us new insights amidst your loss of the colony...all the best to the new swarm and to you for a great and successful bee season!
Fred, Thank you for this video. I am first year bee keeper with Langstroth 2 deep box set up, up in Portsmouth NH.. This is exactly what happened to my hive, but I still have 2 or 3 frames of workers. Queen is gone and one of the workers is laying now. My hive had a section of Mold in the bottom deep, top box was still looking good with the remaining workers. I have been so stressed about it until I saw your video..you have given me confidence to carry on.. I put up few swarm traps.. My goal to keep on top of varroa better this year. I will clean up, keep my chin up, and carry on with new hive this year!! - Best, Shirley
We need to make some better ventilations this year. That mold came from condensations mostly. I lost one of my best hives that way. Never give up. Go ahead.
Sorry about your long Lang, and thanks for the insight. Mine went queenless after September, but made it through the winter. I requeened with a super productive queen 2 weeks ago and she laid eggs, but no larvae were cared for, and none developed. You touched on the reason.. NO NURSE BEES! The workers in the colony are all leftovers from September! Tomorrow I’m gonna add a frame with nurse bees and brood and see if that kickstarts things.. thanks for the idea..
That is a super good call with regards to the hive tools and biosecurity. Such a bummer this colony failed, but that mite count was nuts. Thank you for taking the time to go through and talk about everything. Hoping for bigger and better things for this hive in the future.
While I'm of course sad to see that your bees died, I'm also really glad to see that the hive construction worked well! 😊👍 I really believe in long hives, and I think it's an awesome design for people who want to build their own hives and have a more "relaxed" relationship with the bees. 😊 And it's also very gentle to the beekeeper's back! 😀
Greetings Mr. Dunn! I was hoping that spring would bring us all very good news about your Long Langstroth test. You have the best of attitudes and I found your postmortem assessment to be very interesting and enlightening. I look forward to your continued work with horizontal hives. I often send beekeepers to your channel as your first-rate explanations are a gold mine. Thank you and sorry for your loss.
🛫📖🛬 Mr. Dunn, The ending of your video accompanied by the cold wind blowing around the hive leaves me somewhat melancholy. When I see how hard these precious creatures work so tirelessly for the common good of their community I can't help but think there's got to be an answer to the mite problem Perhaps that study that's being done in British Columbia on the treatment called 3c36 could be the answer but yet several years away.❓ Glad to hear you're not giving up pressing forward, onward and upward. BTW: I received my baptism today by doing a hive inspection without proper protective gear; And the grand total is= 27 STINGS. They found the way into everything I was wearing. Oh, and you're so right, Anthropomorphism does not influence the girls love for The beekeeper at all. Lol 📖🛐🐆🐝
Hi Fred, Sorry your Bees didn't make it in your Horizontal Hive. I noticed you don't have a Screened Bottom area in your Hive Floor. Is that because PA gets to cold for the bees to survive those super lows you get ? Here in Scotland I have a Screened Bottom to my Horizontal Hive. It does get cold here, and snow, but never super sub zero... But by being ventilated, and having tons of Sheep's Wool (Fleece) in the Hive Walls and Roof Space keeps them cosy. Yes their were quite a few dead bees at the bottom of the hive, but I guess some just die of old age (!) My Colony survived well, although I think I have a new Queen ! 👑 : The Autumn inspection was marked Red (2018 Queen / Clipped Wing) and this one had no Mark. However, she was so Quick to hide herself on my first Spring Inspection, I couldn't see if she was 'clipped or not'. Aka if she is new, or did the paint rub off ??? Question: if she's new, I guess I mark her as 2020 (Blue) Right??? Even though I saw the "Red Clipped" one in late September !?! Guess Supersedure happened. What's your thought ? Hope new Bees do well in that Fabulous built Hive ! 👍 Happy Beekeeping 2021 🥳 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝,🐝🐝
This year, 2021, white is the queen marking color. I wish I had all of that sheep's wool, I'd make good use of it! If that's your old queen, and you want to refresh her thorax dot, then yes, last year was blue. They do clean that paint dot off as time passes, all of my spring queens have lost their paint. I don't repaint them myself, but I keep records about her appearance and take photos of my queens :) wing clipping (on one side) will be very valuable for me this year as I will be keeping with my own stock through 2021 and 2022. I have a separate yard now for wild caught swarms and others of unknown origin.
Fred, thank you for your kind Reply ! ... 👍 I have more Sheep* here than Neighbours !?! * Sheep are not mine, alas, but their Wool is cheap £'s to come by after shearing season in July (!) Wool is poor quality, (off Meat Bred Sheep, as Lamb Cuts.) So 'fleece' is a really great hive insulation material. Or try Thrift Stores with old Woolen Blankets, or Yard Sales. [Just need to fold and layer them up several times,] to get similar effect, if not in Scotland re Sheep ! 😏 Horizontal Hives are great when insulated.... 🐝🐝🐝🐝
Great hive examination and explanation, Good information. I'm a 3rd year beekeeper in the UK with 6 hives which have all come through winter OK. Keep the video's coming. Thanks Chris.
Folks told me horizontal hives would be good for reproduction but not for honey production. Like yours in the video, I have found that my horizontal hives are doing great with honey production and reproduction. Enough so that I’ve built 3 more to add to the apiary this year. My survival rate in the horizontal hives was 100% this year. I credit much of that to the thickness of the 2x12 construction as we have long bitterly cold winters here. Good luck with the hive this coming season.
Great informative video. I lost my first hive winter 2019-2020 to varroa and relentless attacks by yellow jackets. Same thing though, tons of honey, no bees, and dead varroa. This year the new colony was amazingly robust going into winter and bees are flying everywhere on warmer days. Looking forward to your next video.
I bought a Saskatraz queen last year when I found I had no queen and laying workers in May. I heard the buzz about them no pun intended. I think they were down to maybe two frames of bees so I did not do a mite wash. I built a Layens hive and transferred them from a nuc into the Layens in June. They made it thru the winter but I have not done an inspection yet. I'm afraid of chilling any brood they might have. I'm starting to think that characterizing bees to have certain traits is BS. Maybe the hygenic trait I believe since I've seen examples of that. I thought the Saskatraz was suppose to be more resilient against mites. It seems that if you just keep the mite count down and have good nutrition and have a good insulated hive that is the best chance for survival. I'm going to try to make my own queen this year if I have enough bees since I only have one hive. Was that the only colony you lost this winter? How would you rate your winter? Although MA had some pretty cold days and some snow storms I would say it was a pretty average winter although it seems we have more wind storms combined with cold lately.
My insolated horizontal i tested here in upper mid west did great. Came out with 8 frames of BEEs from winter. I think was great anyway for the brutal cold and all the snow we had here. All the rest of my hives where wintered in single deeps in a shed. I dont know why people buy BEES? All i have from day 1 are from swarm traps i set out away from any towns and all have did great for years. From what i have been told they look like a carnie cauc mix. The Queens are all Black like a tire. Best of luck this year FRED
Late posting this. Your videos are always educational. I've read a lot of negatives about horizontal hives. I believe utilizing different hive designs allows the capability to keep bees for folks that might not be physically able any other way. Great video.
Absolutely! Horizontal hives do provide the opportunity for those with low upper body strength to still engage in beekeeping. They are also so heavy that heavy weather doesn't move them.
I suggest moving the entrance to the end with a landing board. That way, honey will only be on the far end away from the entrance, which the cluster will move to over the winter. If honey was on both ends, they won’t be able to access the far away honey. I also used wine cork sized holes for the entrance, so I could close them up as needed. Lastly (mentioned this on an earlier video), if you try foundationless frames again, mount some cove molding under the bar (make sure the fit is tight so you don’t create a beetle hiding space in the cove).
Very informative Fred! I'm a returning beekeeper this after after a 20 year hiatus. Lots to relearn. So sad to see a dead out but there is a lot to learn from a silent hive. My first colony went in a week ago and are strong so far. Can't wait to see the layens hive, built 3 for myself this year for swarm catches. Thanks for the great videos. I can tell you spend alot of time on them.
Thank you so much, I'm going to have fun putting a Layens hive out this year. It will be a nice conversation piece and I can share about many various hive designs and their features :) Welcome back to beekeeping! I hope your swarms measure up! :)
That's almost is what my Saskatraz deadout looked like except there was a queen and a tiny cluster that just couldn't hold on. One Saskatraz colony did survive and I will make a split from it to see how they handle the mites with mating with the local genetics. Thanks Fred!
Oh, that's great that you have a Saskatraz survivor colony! I hope they continue to work out. So much bad news with that line, but there are definitely some that made it ok. Thanks for sharing Rodney!
😢 awww man, this is just so sad. I've been following long enough to really appreciate the design of your long hive. I'm in process of building one. This situation would have dropped any hive. My condolences. Keep it going. You gave them the very best environment and supplies.
Oh, don't worry at all, that's an older video, they are doing extremely well now. We use that hive as a teaching system more than any other. Thank you for being concerned, but all is well :)
Hello Frederick I watched your video and it is heartbreaking to see. I think you are right in your plan to instal a local swarm instead of a package bees. Your local bees are used to local temperatures and flowering seasons, and most likely will not swarm late in the season. I noticed the cluster dyed on top of the frame on an empty cumb. Starvation may also be part of the reason bees die out. Plantiful Honey reserves on the side frames usually stored for Colony Spring Build Up, and it's better to collect it during late Fall after the cluster had formed leaving only a couple of Honey frames on each side of the cluster, Minimizing Hive Space and giving bees less room to heat. During winter months the bee cluster is able to move only upward with an average speed of 1millimeter per day. The Long Langstroth hive is too shallow for long winters, Deep Layens Hive is more suitable. Langstroth 2 deeps stackable may not be sufficient for bees to survive long and cold winters since it is interrupted by cumb frames, bees may starve at the top of the first frame, because 1 inch frame space is to grate of the distance for hibernating bees to overcome, since they move up only 1 Millimeter in 24 hours. I wanted to attach some pictures to illustrate but youtube dont give this option. I wish you all the best and I love to watch your videos. Thank you Roman.
This was a very good video. So it was a case of a hive not being queen right. Something like this happened to Kamon Reynolds in Dec19. But He re-queened by using one of his queens in one of his nuc boxes, I think...and I think they survived the winter...have to check this out...because I don’t remembre how Kamon noticed there was a problem to begin with in the middle of Dec. So main causes of winter lost are 1) Varroa mites, 2) starvation 3) temp/humidity 4) queen right/not Hope you can figure out if a late swarm did occur. One could hear your sigh of relief that it was not due to the Horizontal hive! I am glad you will continue with it.
Kamon has a wonderful weather advantage in that he can open hives well into winter, while we have to remain buttoned up for many months. Having a nucleus colony to freshen a queenless hive would definitely be an advantage, but here I couldn't expose them to the cold or I may lose the nucleus and the queen-less colony.
@@FrederickDunn Gave you the wrong impression I think. Was in no way suggesting that you should have made a winter inspection. But I would have a ton of questions for you. I think this would be a good case study. A lot to be learned from this. On it’s face value I don’t think it had to do with the type of bees nor the hive you had. Hope there will be a follow up to this.
Thank you Fred for sharing this. Sad, but very informative. You obtained a good deal of honey, and we all obtained invaluable information. Very glad to hear you will give it another try.
Invaluable education to a neophyte like myself, hope I never have to autopsy a crashed hive, but knowing what to look at and understanding what I am seeing will help if the day comes. Thanks for your efforts 🙂👍
We had exactly the same thing with our hive this winter. We had treated prior to winter as well. We ended up dumping the boxes and decided we won’t reuse those just to be careful. Thanks for sharing
Thank you for sharing, I hope you have better success this year. By dumping the boxes, are you talking about the Long Lang, and going with a traditional Lang?
@@FrederickDunn ours were Langstroth hives, but we had the same issues as far as what happened. We literally took the boxes that were contaminated and put them in the dump. We can’t burn around here so it was next best option
Sorry for your loss. I had high hopes that the horizontal hive plus saskatraz would be a winning concept. As you said loss of the queen doomed it for them. You're a great steward for beekeeping.
Thanks for sharing Fred, i lost all four of my hives this winter. Started with four nucs last spring , bees had lots of stores. My nucs were Georgia bred Italians bees. The best bees i've had in my 14 yrs. of beekeeping, were Italians from New Hampshire.( Mr.LaGrant, spelling may be a bit off ) I lost them to Varroa mites, as well. I used the powered sugar method , as the bees groomed themselves the varroa fall of of them. Taking this yr off from beeking , wanting to try some northern breed bees again, next time around, maybe Russians, Carnies or something else. I have a big veggie garden, fruit trees and loved seeing my bees, doing their thing. I will certainly try again, the world needs honeybees..! K.J.M
Your long hive is one of the best constructed long hives on UA-cam in my opinion. A true 1 1/2" thick wood design on all sides. Good job ! I love it ! I guess your coffin jesters think there proven right.
I am determined to make this work, I think it's a decent design and have learned a few things this past year. Let's see how it goes with this year's colony.
Thanks for sharing Fred. Although Its heartbreaking to loose a colony, your sharing of the root cause I believe is right on, will assist many bee keepers to not throw in the towel! Best of luck on the new swarm. Keep posting, you’re a wealth of knowledge and experience, and am glad you share the good as well as the bad.
Thank you so much Steve! It's depressing as I had such high hopes with that specific colony. We'll see how it all goes this year. I appreciate your comment!
I really love your analysis .... I find it much easier to think through possible solutions with your experiences and subsequent examinations. Thank you!
Fred, this really stinks to see, but a small silver lining is that I'm just coming through my first winter and I also lost a whole hive in exactly the same way. Tons of honey, no Queen, etc. I say silver lining, because I felt like a total failure because they were coming active in that hive weeks ago, and then suddenly died. I couldn't imagine what I had done wrong. It does give me some comfort in knowing that even such amazing experienced beekeeper such yourself can have the same types of things happen. Believe it or not it makes me feel a little better. Thanks so much for sharing and hopefully we will both have better luck this year.
I think the Queen quit on them going into winter, this issue wasn't across my apiary, as others are doing very well. We'll see what this year brings :)
I agree that you should try again with this hive. I think it was designed well, I think Saskatraz bees just didn’t do well last year. I haven’t heard many people who got them last spring that are still living this spring.
There are many videos, by many beekeepers showing how to clean up a dead out. I think I'd rather spend the time on something else since it's so well covered already. Thanks for watching and commenting :)
Looks like if you follow your plan and repopulate the hive with one of your own B Weaver hygienic swarms, you’ll have better luck since mites were a big part of this death. I tend to think your queen flew the coop in a late season swarm by the apparent lack of huge numbers of corpses in addition to her being absent.
I get fall swarms if I’m not careful to add more space with the tremendous goldenrod flow in my little corner of Potter County. I think you may have had open cells, but they were too far away laterally in the hive. I think in warmer weather that wouldn’t have been a problem. Bees like vertical growth in cooler conditions as it is easier for the cluster to utilize their heat. I have three deeps of Saskatraz bees in one colony just a week ago, and another in two deeps. It’s almost as if they had no winter loss in strength. So far I have had very good luck with the Saskatraz. Each hive produced 100 pounds of honey for me last year. And they still have about a hundred pounds each left. I’ll need to get some empty comb to them soon.
I used my horizontal hive to house two colonies for the winter. The stronger one died, weaker made it. My wintering change next year, add an area similar to an inner cover on a standard hive to not only allow me to feed them, but also to top vent humidity. Feel one disadvantage to this hive is feeding. I did make sugar candy boards into frames but the cluster backtracked right before the vortex and started with food a few frames away. Top feeding sugar would have helped.
Hi Fred, really informative video, thanks 👍. I have a home made horizontal hive too, I'm in Birmingham UK . And had a similar dead out this year. As a newbie it's a heartbreak but I'm determined to try again. I wasn't sure I can extract the honey, so I'm glad I see you are. Do you remove the wax from these frames too? And, I will also destroy the frames with the dead bees on. I will try a 3 split brood frame this year to see if I can control the varroa numbers. What do you think of this technique?
So sad. That is a lot of honey. I just came here from the setup video and was thinking a split top would make it more accessible if you haven’t figured out an escape path for that lid. More complicated to seal too. I like the insulation you added. I was assuming the veroa climbed up from the ground, but hitching a ride on drones makes them very difficult to exclude.
I lost a couple hives this winter so far. Same thing as you, lots of honey, yet they look like they starved. My theory is that when we had -40 for a few weeks, they ate what they could get to and couldn't get to all the honey. The commercial guys won't be looking at their hives till May.
@@FrederickDunn It could be mites here too. Last year I never lost any, even the dink hive made it. Here the drones get kicked out in September. feeding is done and hives are wrapped in October and they aren't looked at till May. losses can be substantial, depending on the winter, if you're a hobbyist or commercial.
Both my hives died last winter (in my horizontal hives). I did not get to do an inspection. I am very thankful that I got to see and learn from this video. Question: At ~6:50, you talk about 'mite feces?'. Do we only see this in extreme cases of infestation?
Not necessarily just "extreme" cases, but just evident that the varroa mites are reproducing in the capped pupae cells. Just evidence of presence, not necessarily in overwhelming numbers.
Bummer you lost them. I was hoping they would make it through and boost the morale of the Long lang folks. Will you be doing a follow up on your Bee Weaver bees? The number of mites in this hive was a bit disconcerting and I am hoping to see your Bee Weavers doing well.
My horizontal i tested this winter did great. Even up here in the brutal cold and all the snow it came out of winter with 8 frames of BEES. Best of luck
Hi, Fred .... have you thought about that the queen run out of fertilized eggs in the autumn ... cluster looks normal but weak and without enough vital winter bees ... queenless cluster is usually spread in the hive and also often is victim of robery .... i believe that the queen could be among dead bees ... this is one more posibile scenario what have happened in this hive .... another one is that the new queen did not mate on time. ... drones are wellcome in this case .... anyway, nice video and explanation..greetings from Croatia
Sorry for your losses but really good information and analysis on what happened. Enjoy watching your video's by the way. I'm getting ready to put a Beeweaver queen in a Long Lang but was wondering if you thought having to much insulation could come back to bite me. I have 1/2" plywood sheathing sandwiching a 1" R5 foam board (so 2 " thick walls). I live in central North Carolina and was thinking the bee's may need more honey because they want go in to a true doormat state if the internal temp doesn't drop like a normal hive over winter.
I don't really think there is such a thing as too much insulation :) They will just use fewer resources as they go through winter, and may also use fewer resources in summer as they remain cooler. I think you're going to be just fine.
Fredrick although heart breaking, it’s good to see what happens when they lose a queen and they have a mite problem. So glad we don’t have mites here in oz. Again sorry for the loss of the hive but very educational and informative video. Thanks TrickyTrev 🇦🇺👍👍🐝🐝🐝🍯🍯🍯🍯
Very informative and useful work through of a dead out. I suppose, if they swarmed quite late, that a new virgin queen would not have a chance to mate, thereby leaving the colony effectively ‘queenless’. The original queen could of course have died, as you mentioned, but the late swarming does seem a more likely explanation, as the hive was thriving when going into winter, and your queen was probably healthy and not nearing the end of her natural life. It seems to me that very late swarms are getting more common, and makes me wonder if that might be down to climate changes, human interference (i.e. excessive feeding etc.) or maybe a combination of both.
Nice hive build You need to work with local resistant stock thats sized right. No artificial diets either, immune weakening increasing suseptability to all maladies ... Happy beekeeping
Fred, sorry you lost the hive. The way they expanded and as strong as they were it’s hard to believe they died out. I sorta believe you may have had a late swarm although there was a mite infestation.
Hi Don, always great to see your comments! I'm with you on that, late-season swarm that I just wasn't aware of. Too late to re-queen no matter the reason she departed. Frustrating, but an opportunity to educate others :) have a great weekend!
Yikes! Unfortunately, this is a familiar report this year. I lost four of fifteen for sure. I'm so glad you have the two to work with, but that's hard to have those empty colonies. I hope this year brings great things your way.
Thanks for all the energy and time you put into educating your public, very interesting! You said that you would burn and replace the affected frames. Why not put them into the freezer or something? It seems such a waste of very nice equipment!
You did mention that you did treat this hive. With the mites on the floor of the hive far from the brood nest may indicate the mites fell from the bees during the treatment. All the dead mites may be saying the treatment did work. Any thoughts. Thanks for the tour of the hive.
Im sorry for your loss. The colony looks quite small and i add the posibility that the queen might have absconded with a part of the bees right before the winter. And the new queen she left behind could have not been fertilised and she made the drones. For such small colony,the varroa mites are too manny.
Man I am sorry. I had this happen to me a few times and I felt like crying. Then I just went a few years not caring to raise bees anymore,but they must have evolved a bit or something.The last few years they all just hold there own.Have not treated for anything in the last 10 or 12 years.I used to order in queens every year. They seemed to be excellent queens untill the winter set in and they did not do very well.Now I stick with what ever nature provides me. It seems to me that once you start with all the treatments then you have to keep on doing it.
That hive is doing fantastic now. I've changed a few things. I'm glad you've had a good result with being treatment free, but based on reporting hive owners the treatment free group is suffering more losses than any other group of beekeepers. I was treatment free for 10 years, I averaged 40% losses annually. I hope some day we can all be treatment free with good results.
I also installed a Saskatraz package last year luckily (at the time I didn't think so) the queen died and eventually I wound up installing a Buckfast queen. I thought they would die out but so far this year their numbers are really strong. Now I'm in a fix. Expecting them to die out I ordered another nuc. I had ordered a nuc with a Buckfast queen really early. Then with nucs selling out quickly I bought and paid for another nuc from another supplier with a Pol-line queen. As luck would have it, or not, two days later we had a +50 degree day and the bees were going nuts on cleansing flights! Now I will be violating City ordinance, we are only allowed to keep 2 working hives. But even on a 45'x150' I have some good hiding places!!!
Aha, that's quite a situation! I did that last year, expected five colony losses, and ordered in replacement packages and everything made it. I ended up sharing the packages with other beekeepers as I was at capacity. Maybe you can get someone else to take them.
@@FrederickDunn I do want 2 hives. And only one of the nucs is paid for so I can probably find someone to take it. The way the Green Code is written here in Buffalo it sounds like the council didn't even consult a Hobby bee keeper let alone an expert. It has a sentence that says, "No more than two accessory bee colonies are allowed per lot..." I don't know what an accessory hive means but to me it means my resource hive or a nuc hive and not a working hive for honey!
Sorry for the late post, just discovered this video. BTW, great video and commentary. You mentioned that you will burn the frames. Can I ask why? Thanks in advance! Dave
Just because it's easy to just give them fresh foundation rather than take the chance that the brood disease may carry on to the next occupants. Not mandatory. The brood comb in parcitular is just a mess, the bees "could" clean them up. You could wash them out, flush the cells and put them back into service. Since I have plenty of extra frames, I just replaced them. But to be clear, it's not necessary in order to control this kind of brood disease.
Thanks for the great info. I would guess by the small amount of bees that the hive swarmed. Maybe do to the stress of the mite load. A brood break would lower the mites but without a queen doomed.
Hi Nancy, it's just hairy mold that forms on dead animals (or any other organic material) as nature reclaims those resources. The dead bees have moisture in their bodies and resources that molds thrive on. Part of normal decay and molds help recycle organic materials that are no longer living... cool eh? :) genetically similar yeasts attach themselves and start munching, well, the way that enzymes do. They, yeasts, are just floating around looking for something to attach themselves to and feed upon.
@@FrederickDunn thank you for the explanation. I enjoy your channel and have considered bee keeping having read up on the practice. I am interested in the long horizontal setup. I hope you have a better result with yours in the future.
Sorry about your bees Fred. Although I haven't experimented with them myself; form what I understand, the QMF strips can be used to requeen a laying worker hive. They can also be used to introduce a queen to a hive that is hard to requeen.
No problems Dan :) and yes, I'm looking forward to playing with those pheromones this year. Lot of plans, we'll see how it goes! But we can get on top of laying workers if we can determine queenlessness in time. Landing board observations are valuable there. This one snuck under the wire on me :)
Sorry to hear this. That is a disappointment for sure. I've been following your long lang journey and have been wondering how it did through this winter. The Saskatraz bees definitely didn't seem to handle varroa well at all and seem to be to blame here. That was a suprise to see... Especially when contrasting that finding with your state hive inspection video which couldn't find any varroa... I can't wait to see how it performs with a good swarm stock of bees. Is it safe to say you won't be utilizing Saskatraz stock in the future?
Too bad you relied on the bees to keep the mite count low. For all of us it was invaluable to know that the Saskatraz bees didn't get it done this year in that hive. I really wanted to see them do well. So, did they leave the hive because of the infestation? Did they swarm too late in the season? I saw legs and heads severed. What was that from? Is the queen in the dead bodies with her head cut off? Did they just fall apart after they died? Was there a battle? Looked like some moth damage also, maybe after they died. Looking forward to your microscope report video coupled with your new swarm or bees for the hive. If I get bees it will be a long hive only and make it work.
Zero evidence of wax moths. Bee parts on the bottom board are normal. I did not rely on the bees to keep their mites under control, I had to treat them with OAV in this colony. I suspect a late season swarm. I do not think the varroa mites, though present, were the cause of the dead-out, I put the absence of the queen at the top of the list.
We have had the opposite with our saskatraz bees they seems very good at managing mites and are so good at overwintering. They will give us 150lbs of honey then overwinter in a single deep box. They manage veroa and hive beetles quite well. But we can only get queens here not packages.
That is fantastic news, and glad you received some good Saskatraz Stock. They are definitely excellent honey producers, I haven't had any small hive beetle issues here in any of my colonies. The Sasktraz feedback has been largely negative, so it's nice to know that you had a great experience. I hope your beekeeping year continues to be great!
Wow! This is a great set up! Shame those bees didn’t survive. I hope the next bees living there will do better! Always love watching your videos! All the best! 😊
Since I have Flow-Hives, I see no need to add Flow-Frames to a Long Langstroth format. I don't see that as an advantage. Flow-Frames need to be tilted for proper extraction, and I can't think of a way to make that practical and useful in the horizontal format. You can certainly harvest honey from a Long Lang, but Flow-Frames, in my opinion, make something simple, into something unnecessarily complex.
@@FrederickDunn I only ask because I can't build both types of hive. But I think I like the long lang better because I won't have to lift heavy supers of honey and bees. Thanks for your advice.
So sorry to see this but I learned so much. Fred, I also lost 2 hives and have lots of deep honey frames. Did you say you could spin and extract it? I used apiguard and oa on some of my bees. Is that ok for my consumption? How long can you keep capped honey frames in garage... will be using some for resources/splits but not all. Thank you.
when you looking at the brood frames you said you were going to burn them why are you not keeping the wood frame? why would you not take out the wax and reuse the wood? is there a chance that the varroa have eggs that are in the wood? i do like to see that there was lots of honey in the hive and cant wait to see you get the long layens hive going and this one going again. I know you here this lots love how educational your videos are and seeing your successes and the problems from your testing :)
I just remove brood comb as a precaution against potential pathogens. I have a stockpile of frames, so I'd rather the next colony start fresh. Wood is porous and can harbor pathogens, it "could" be re-used, but I'd rather they have a clean slate. The honey frames will be uncapped, harvested, and reintroduced.
Thanks for the video. Very informative. Can you tell me if those plastic boxes are good to keep frames with honey over the winter? Do they seal well? And where do you get them? Thanks
Yes, I use them for winter storage of honey frames and also keeps my drawn comb at the ready for hive expansion and swap outs. They are from Hive Butler - hivebutler.com/ tell them Frederick Dunn sent y ou! :)
Interesting so you see lots of varroa but no deformed wings. Sorry that the bees didn't make it. Are you planning on getting the new updated flow hive?
I was very happy to see the absence of deformed winged virus! Yes, I have the New Flow-Hive 2 + unit and just haven't put it together yet. I may make a video about that also. I'm making another bee yard and rotating gear OUT. So it's time for the new stuff here in my "varroa controlled" apiary.
HI Brad, it goes through several bee crops before getting into the cells and dried down to the appropriate moisture levels, but yes, sugar syrup can end up being the source of capped honey in the hive. That's why we don't feed colonies that we plan to take honey from. At least not until after the last harvest of the year.
Hi Fred sorry about the bee loss. However having read Keeping bees with a smile check out pages 238-239 on about the age of the queen and over wintering as moisture was not a problem. As she was a swarm queen she could have been 3yrs old? The hive was well insulated as per the book so the age of the queen definitely should be considered.. All the best Clive
She wasn't a swarm queen, she was a Saskatraz package install queen and less than a year old. I will be replacing them with a swarm, sorry if I wasn't clear about that. This video shows the install ua-cam.com/video/87kUcxSjJ2k/v-deo.html
I've seen several videos in the past where the B-keeper said the horizontal never produce honey. Clearly that is not the case. Will you begin again with the sascatraz bees? Enjoyed this very much. Thanks
Hey Fred, still enjoying your video's.. By the by what is the name of the Blue entrance systems and where did you get them from....Thanks for the great video's and please keep up the good work.. Charles Rose
Hi Fred, I have really evaluated this strongly and watch this video a couple times. I have a friend who lost three hives, one in the fall was very weak. Over the winter the other two hives were dead o u t s. Nearly an identical situation. I personally observed his hives. At first he thought his hives died out, when it warmed up they were loaded with bees and even bearding on the front. So now did his bees die? After a few short weeks of observation and your video as well. The scenario is near-identical. All of your last frames had no Bees at all on them. The bees you did have in a teeny tiny clusters and all the dead because you have would doubtfully fill a quart jar. His hives were the same way. Plenty of honey and loaded with feces from varroa mites.( you found no Queen) he did not either. My bootleg evaluation is that they absconded due to the Wellness of the colony as they were overtaken by mites. Now listen to this. He has extreme numbers coming to feeders. He has no Bees. But he has numerous bees in the area. I have been setting feeders out and be lining there. I even hung a hive 20 feet high in a tree with drawn comb and an empty box underneath in hopes of catching a swarm. I live about a mile and a half from him and have nowhere near the numbers of wild bees as is seen at his house. I think the Swarms I am trying to catch are his bees. The few bees you have in your hive we're probably just bees that got left behind or robbers that froze out. That is my evaluation by comparing your horizontal hive to his regular langstroth hives. The high numbers of bees coming to the feeders is evident that there are numerous bees nearby his house, when there are no other beekeepers for a distance. Bottom line I think they absconded one warm winter day for their only chance for survival. I watched the video when you actually introduced saskatraz bees into your new horizontal box. I have not read but a few of the comments, and there's one guy said he thought they swarmed, swarming is for reproduction. Absconding is leaving because the house is on fire LOL
@@FrederickDunn Thank you Fred, I have been interested in bees for several years, my first year has been studying and watching and learning. I watch numerous videos educating myself as to the numerous beekeepers all have their own little tricks, I take what I need and learn from it. At this point all I have is a colony about 300 yards from my house with a PVC pipe in it, with about a ten frame tub that I made connected to it LOL I put that in there in the winter time and hoping they start building in there. I do have two complete bee hive boxes and just ordered my 3rd. I am going to catch my bees that are acclimated to my conditions and that did make it through the winter. I would definitely put some bees back in there and get her rolling like an old car, my friend gave me some black comb and it had those Mite eggs on it. I just took them out to the garden hose and sprayed those eggs out of there, shook out the water, and now have them with a fan blowing on them. I am going to use them in swarm traps. I was also wondering if an air hose would maybe work and surely be simpler. We had 0 degree temperatures so I do not fear any complications with using it. Good luck with that horizontal hive and thanks for sharing your experiences. You have bees I would just go to one of your Healthy hives and split a few off and throw them in there with some honey and a jar of sugar syrup unless you catch a swarm for it
It looks like an apocalypse man. I don't think they died out of old age as you have younger bees died as well. Maybe mold or some other poisonous food. I would give a frame for testing. Did you find out what happened? Thanks for sharing 👍
Hours after viewing your long Langstroth video. I am a first spring beek with my diy Doug fir long lang, and bee are doing great, so here are some question, and hopefully help. My hive has burr comb everywhere. Not yours? Non on box, or frames? Is there something bad about using oak, possibly VOC's. ?? Knowing your diligence, very interested in your research. The Best, H
Nothing to do with the oak, they sealed that up well with propolis. I think it was just the use of bee space. There is 3/8" between the frames and interior of cover boards, I think that did the trick. :)
Hey Fred. It's very sad that the 1st year with your horizontal hive didn't go as planned. Just a thought/question: I've been reading Keeping Bees with a Smile (as per your recommendation - LOVE IT!) and the recommendation for northern areas (such as you are and I am) seems to be double-deep horizontal hives. In fact, here's what he advised to a fellow Canadian on the Permies site: " I do NOT recommend a "horizontal Langstroth" hive (using standard American frames just 9" deep), no matter how well you insulate it." What do you think? I even started to tinker with the idea of modifying my frames to make double-deeps out of them, and came across, yup!, Lazutin Hives. Going to make that a side project. Keep up the great teaching. I know I get a lot of insight from watching your channel.
I'm going to give this another go. The deeper frames of the Layens will be interesting to compare. I have that hive set out in the same yard as this Long Lang. Dr. Leo is a great guy, and I enjoy his seminars. He recently said that people outside of his forested area should not expect to follow his annual inspection and non-treatment cycle. A double deep long lang, not sure how that would even work? I think it the queen had not departed or died in this colony, they should have made it. We'll give it another year and see what happens. The reason I say this is that there are top bar hive beekeepers in Vermont and they say it works. So... another puzzle to solve. I'm stil hopeful. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
@@FrederickDunn My understanding of the double-deep lang is that it would be like a Lazutin hive. The frames are similar to the Layens, except Adapted to Langstroth, so roughly 18 x 18" (square). Here's a link to someone who makes them (I suspect you would be able to make them yourself as you seem pretty handy with a saw): lazutinhives.com/ A company called Petit Hives (.com) also sells tham - but, once again, I think you'd be better off making it yourself There is also a woman in Paris (Ontario) who built one based on Lazutin and Dr. Leo, she shares her findings: bwestie.wixsite.com/barbara-westfall/deep-horizontal-revised
@@FrederickDunn I'm also curious about the Vermont experience. Given the various views regarding single or double chambers for wintering, I'd love to know what they do for winterizing.
I'm a one-hive, first-spring beekeeper, so seeing a dead hive is heartbreaking to me. Thankfully, my hive made it through winter hale and healthy.
It's a time to focus on learning why they didn't make it, and of course work with the survivor stock that did :)
I lost 2 of 3 hives my first winter it was very very painful experience but I have one left to focus on. You should start with 2 hives ur first year.
Here in Sweden winter isn't over. I'll wait before shouting hurray
Thanks Fred, for giving us new insights amidst your loss of the colony...all the best to the new swarm and to you for a great and successful bee season!
Thank you Niki! :)
Sorry to those who had dead outs. That hurts.
Fred, Thank you for this video. I am first year bee keeper with Langstroth 2 deep box set up, up in Portsmouth NH.. This is exactly what happened to my hive, but I still have 2 or 3 frames of workers. Queen is gone and one of the workers is laying now. My hive had a section of Mold in the bottom deep, top box was still looking good with the remaining workers. I have been so stressed about it until I saw your video..you have given me confidence to carry on.. I put up few swarm traps.. My goal to keep on top of varroa better this year.
I will clean up, keep my chin up, and carry on with new hive this year!! - Best, Shirley
We need to make some better ventilations this year. That mold came from condensations mostly. I lost one of my best hives that way. Never give up. Go ahead.
@@namentatic4978was it mold forming in summer or winter? How avoid it?
Sorry about your long Lang, and thanks for the insight. Mine went queenless after September, but made it through the winter. I requeened with a super productive queen 2 weeks ago and she laid eggs, but no larvae were cared for, and none developed. You touched on the reason.. NO NURSE BEES! The workers in the colony are all leftovers from September! Tomorrow I’m gonna add a frame with nurse bees and brood and see if that kickstarts things.. thanks for the idea..
Awesome!
That is a super good call with regards to the hive tools and biosecurity. Such a bummer this colony failed, but that mite count was nuts. Thank you for taking the time to go through and talk about everything. Hoping for bigger and better things for this hive in the future.
While I'm of course sad to see that your bees died, I'm also really glad to see that the hive construction worked well! 😊👍 I really believe in long hives, and I think it's an awesome design for people who want to build their own hives and have a more "relaxed" relationship with the bees. 😊 And it's also very gentle to the beekeeper's back! 😀
Greetings Mr. Dunn! I was hoping that spring would bring us all very good news about your Long Langstroth test. You have the best of attitudes and I found your postmortem assessment to be very interesting and enlightening. I look forward to your continued work with horizontal hives. I often send beekeepers to your channel as your first-rate explanations are a gold mine. Thank you and sorry for your loss.
Thank you so much, as always!
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Mr. Dunn,
The ending of your video accompanied by the cold wind blowing around the hive leaves me somewhat melancholy.
When I see how hard these precious creatures work so tirelessly for the common good of their community I can't help but think there's got to be an answer to the mite problem
Perhaps that study that's being done in British Columbia on the treatment called 3c36 could be the answer but yet several years away.❓
Glad to hear you're not giving up pressing forward, onward and upward.
BTW:
I received my baptism today by doing a hive inspection without proper protective gear;
And the grand total is=
27 STINGS.
They found the way into everything I was wearing.
Oh, and you're so right,
Anthropomorphism does not influence the girls love for The beekeeper at all. Lol
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Hi Fred, Sorry your Bees didn't make it in your Horizontal Hive.
I noticed you don't have a Screened Bottom area in your Hive Floor. Is that because PA gets to cold for the bees to survive those super lows you get ?
Here in Scotland I have a Screened Bottom to my Horizontal Hive. It does get cold here, and snow, but never super sub zero...
But by being ventilated, and having tons of Sheep's Wool (Fleece) in the Hive Walls and Roof Space keeps them cosy.
Yes their were quite a few dead bees at the bottom of the hive, but I guess some just die of old age (!)
My Colony survived well, although I think I have a new Queen ! 👑 : The Autumn inspection was marked Red (2018 Queen / Clipped Wing) and this one had no Mark. However, she was so Quick to hide herself on my first Spring Inspection, I couldn't see if she was 'clipped or not'. Aka if she is new, or did the paint rub off ???
Question: if she's new, I guess I mark her as 2020 (Blue) Right??? Even though
I saw the "Red Clipped" one in late September !?! Guess Supersedure happened.
What's your thought ?
Hope new Bees do well in that Fabulous built Hive ! 👍
Happy Beekeeping 2021 🥳 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝,🐝🐝
This year, 2021, white is the queen marking color. I wish I had all of that sheep's wool, I'd make good use of it! If that's your old queen, and you want to refresh her thorax dot, then yes, last year was blue. They do clean that paint dot off as time passes, all of my spring queens have lost their paint. I don't repaint them myself, but I keep records about her appearance and take photos of my queens :) wing clipping (on one side) will be very valuable for me this year as I will be keeping with my own stock through 2021 and 2022. I have a separate yard now for wild caught swarms and others of unknown origin.
Fred, thank you for your kind Reply ! ... 👍
I have more Sheep* here than Neighbours !?!
* Sheep are not mine, alas, but their Wool is cheap £'s
to come by after shearing season in July (!)
Wool is poor quality, (off Meat Bred Sheep, as Lamb Cuts.) So 'fleece' is a really great hive insulation material.
Or try Thrift Stores with old Woolen Blankets, or Yard Sales. [Just need to fold and layer them up several times,] to get similar effect, if not in Scotland re Sheep ! 😏
Horizontal Hives are great when insulated.... 🐝🐝🐝🐝
Educational, heartbreaking, and another example of the eternal perseverance to continue experimenting. Great video!
Great hive examination and explanation, Good information. I'm a 3rd year beekeeper in the UK with 6 hives which have all come through winter OK. Keep the video's coming. Thanks Chris.
I am so happy that your colonies made it through! Such a great feeling, warming weather and live bees to tend! I wish you all the best Chris!
Thanks. Keep the video's coming, great learning from you. Good look for the new season.
Folks told me horizontal hives would be good for reproduction but not for honey production. Like yours in the video, I have found that my horizontal hives are doing great with honey production and reproduction. Enough so that I’ve built 3 more to add to the apiary this year. My survival rate in the horizontal hives was 100% this year. I credit much of that to the thickness of the 2x12 construction as we have long bitterly cold winters here. Good luck with the hive this coming season.
Great informative video.
I lost my first hive winter 2019-2020 to varroa and relentless attacks by yellow jackets. Same thing though, tons of honey, no bees, and dead varroa. This year the new colony was amazingly robust going into winter and bees are flying everywhere on warmer days.
Looking forward to your next video.
At least we can focus on the survivors :)
I bought a Saskatraz queen last year when I found I had no queen and laying workers in May. I heard the buzz about them no pun intended. I think they were down to maybe two frames of bees so I did not do a mite wash. I built a Layens hive and transferred them from a nuc into the Layens in June. They made it thru the winter but I have not done an inspection yet. I'm afraid of chilling any brood they might have. I'm starting to think that characterizing bees to have certain traits is BS. Maybe the hygenic trait I believe since I've seen examples of that. I thought the Saskatraz was suppose to be more resilient against mites. It seems that if you just keep the mite count down and have good nutrition and have a good insulated hive that is the best chance for survival. I'm going to try to make my own queen this year if I have enough bees since I only have one hive. Was that the only colony you lost this winter? How would you rate your winter? Although MA had some pretty cold days and some snow storms I would say it was a pretty average winter although it seems we have more wind storms combined with cold lately.
So far, I've lost four of fifteen colonies, we're not out of the woods yet. I'm glad your bees are doing well and thanks for sharing!
My insolated horizontal i tested here in upper mid west did great. Came out with 8 frames of BEEs from winter. I think was great anyway for the brutal cold and all the snow we had here. All the rest of my hives where wintered in single deeps in a shed. I dont know why people buy BEES? All i have from day 1 are from swarm traps i set out away from any towns and all have did great for years. From what i have been told they look like a carnie cauc mix. The Queens are all Black like a tire. Best of luck this year FRED
Wow, you really have some great stock there Matthew! I agree, get those local bees!
Late posting this. Your videos are always educational. I've read a lot of negatives about horizontal hives. I believe utilizing different hive designs allows the capability to keep bees for folks that might not be physically able any other way.
Great video.
Absolutely! Horizontal hives do provide the opportunity for those with low upper body strength to still engage in beekeeping. They are also so heavy that heavy weather doesn't move them.
I suggest moving the entrance to the end with a landing board. That way, honey will only be on the far end away from the entrance, which the cluster will move to over the winter. If honey was on both ends, they won’t be able to access the far away honey. I also used wine cork sized holes for the entrance, so I could close them up as needed. Lastly (mentioned this on an earlier video), if you try foundationless frames again, mount some cove molding under the bar (make sure the fit is tight so you don’t create a beetle hiding space in the cove).
Watching this makes me so thankful that we don't have Varroa in Australia...yet. Sorry for your loss Fred.
I am also getting ready to construct a horizontal hive per your plans. Thanks for making them available!
I think you're going to like it! :)
Very informative Fred! I'm a returning beekeeper this after after a 20 year hiatus. Lots to relearn. So sad to see a dead out but there is a lot to learn from a silent hive. My first colony went in a week ago and are strong so far. Can't wait to see the layens hive, built 3 for myself this year for swarm catches. Thanks for the great videos. I can tell you spend alot of time on them.
Thank you so much, I'm going to have fun putting a Layens hive out this year. It will be a nice conversation piece and I can share about many various hive designs and their features :) Welcome back to beekeeping! I hope your swarms measure up! :)
That's almost is what my Saskatraz deadout looked like except there was a queen and a tiny cluster that just couldn't hold on. One Saskatraz colony did survive and I will make a split from it to see how they handle the mites with mating with the local genetics. Thanks Fred!
Oh, that's great that you have a Saskatraz survivor colony! I hope they continue to work out. So much bad news with that line, but there are definitely some that made it ok. Thanks for sharing Rodney!
@@FrederickDunn The one that didn't make it was my mite bomb colony! Maybe it was for the best. Thanks Fred!
😢 awww man, this is just so sad. I've been following long enough to really appreciate the design of your long hive. I'm in process of building one. This situation would have dropped any hive. My condolences. Keep it going. You gave them the very best environment and supplies.
Oh, don't worry at all, that's an older video, they are doing extremely well now. We use that hive as a teaching system more than any other. Thank you for being concerned, but all is well :)
Hello Frederick I watched your video and it is heartbreaking to see. I think you are right in your plan to instal a local swarm instead of a package bees. Your local bees are used to local temperatures and flowering seasons, and most likely will not swarm late in the season. I noticed the cluster dyed on top of the frame on an empty cumb. Starvation may also be part of the reason bees die out. Plantiful Honey reserves on the side frames usually stored for Colony Spring Build Up, and it's better to collect it during late Fall after the cluster had formed leaving only a couple of Honey frames on each side of the cluster, Minimizing Hive Space and giving bees less room to heat. During winter months the bee cluster is able to move only upward with an average speed of 1millimeter per day. The Long Langstroth hive is too shallow for long winters, Deep Layens Hive is more suitable.
Langstroth 2 deeps stackable may not be sufficient for bees to survive long and cold winters since it is interrupted by cumb frames, bees may starve at the top of the first frame, because 1 inch frame space is to grate of the distance for hibernating bees to overcome, since they move up only 1 Millimeter in 24 hours.
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This was a very good video. So it was a case of a hive not being queen right. Something like this happened to Kamon Reynolds in Dec19. But He re-queened by using one of his queens in one of his nuc boxes, I think...and I think they survived the winter...have to check this out...because I don’t remembre how Kamon noticed there was a problem to begin with in the middle of Dec.
So main causes of winter lost are 1) Varroa mites, 2) starvation 3) temp/humidity 4) queen right/not
Hope you can figure out if a late swarm did occur.
One could hear your sigh of relief that it was not due to the Horizontal hive! I am glad you will continue with it.
Kamon has a wonderful weather advantage in that he can open hives well into winter, while we have to remain buttoned up for many months. Having a nucleus colony to freshen a queenless hive would definitely be an advantage, but here I couldn't expose them to the cold or I may lose the nucleus and the queen-less colony.
@@FrederickDunn Gave you the wrong impression I think. Was in no way suggesting that you should have made a winter inspection.
But I would have a ton of questions for you. I think this would be a good case study. A lot to be learned from this. On it’s face value I don’t think it had to do with the type of bees nor the hive you had. Hope there will be a follow up to this.
Thank you Fred for sharing this. Sad, but very informative. You obtained a good deal of honey, and we all obtained invaluable information. Very glad to hear you will give it another try.
And that honey tastes great! I was happy to find it didn't crystalize :)
@@FrederickDunn Well that is a true bonus. At least you can enjoy the fruits of their labor.
Excellent job mr.Dunn. best wishes. NYC
Invaluable education to a neophyte like myself, hope I never have to autopsy a crashed hive, but knowing what to look at and understanding what I am seeing will help if the day comes. Thanks for your efforts 🙂👍
Thank you, James, yes even dead-outs can serve an educational purpose so it's not a total loss :)
We had exactly the same thing with our hive this winter. We had treated prior to winter as well. We ended up dumping the boxes and decided we won’t reuse those just to be careful. Thanks for sharing
Thank you for sharing, I hope you have better success this year. By dumping the boxes, are you talking about the Long Lang, and going with a traditional Lang?
@@FrederickDunn ours were Langstroth hives, but we had the same issues as far as what happened. We literally took the boxes that were contaminated and put them in the dump. We can’t burn around here so it was next best option
Sorry for your loss. I had high hopes that the horizontal hive plus saskatraz would be a winning concept. As you said loss of the queen doomed it for them. You're a great steward for beekeeping.
Thank you Grant!
Thanks for sharing Fred, i lost all four of my hives this winter. Started with four nucs last spring , bees had lots of stores. My nucs were Georgia bred Italians bees. The best bees i've had in my 14 yrs. of beekeeping, were Italians from New Hampshire.( Mr.LaGrant, spelling may be a bit off ) I lost them to Varroa mites, as well. I used the powered sugar method , as the bees groomed themselves the varroa fall of of them. Taking this yr off from beeking , wanting to try some northern breed bees again, next time around, maybe Russians, Carnies or something else. I have a big veggie garden, fruit trees and loved seeing my bees, doing their thing. I will certainly try again, the world needs honeybees..! K.J.M
Your long hive is one of the best constructed long hives on UA-cam in my opinion. A true 1 1/2" thick wood design on all sides. Good job ! I love it !
I guess your coffin jesters think there proven right.
I am determined to make this work, I think it's a decent design and have learned a few things this past year. Let's see how it goes with this year's colony.
Thanks for sharing Fred. Although Its heartbreaking to loose a colony, your sharing of the root cause I believe is right on, will assist many bee keepers to not throw in the towel!
Best of luck on the new swarm. Keep posting, you’re a wealth of knowledge and experience, and am glad you share the good as well as the bad.
Thank you so much Steve! It's depressing as I had such high hopes with that specific colony. We'll see how it all goes this year. I appreciate your comment!
Sorry to hear you lost the hive. Learned a lot from this. Glad you will try the Horizontal Hive again. Keep us updated.
Thanks, will do!
I really love your analysis .... I find it much easier to think through possible solutions with your experiences and subsequent examinations. Thank you!
Thank you so much!
Wow Fred. How very sad. And yet you rise to the occasion and continue to educate us. Thank you.
The good news is that we have lots of bees to work with and this hive will be back in service very soon :)
Fred, this really stinks to see, but a small silver lining is that I'm just coming through my first winter and I also lost a whole hive in exactly the same way. Tons of honey, no Queen, etc. I say silver lining, because I felt like a total failure because they were coming active in that hive weeks ago, and then suddenly died. I couldn't imagine what I had done wrong. It does give me some comfort in knowing that even such amazing experienced beekeeper such yourself can have the same types of things happen. Believe it or not it makes me feel a little better. Thanks so much for sharing and hopefully we will both have better luck this year.
Dang. Sorry you lost them, Fred. Sounding like winter was hard for so many bee keepers.
I think the Queen quit on them going into winter, this issue wasn't across my apiary, as others are doing very well. We'll see what this year brings :)
I agree that you should try again with this hive. I think it was designed well, I think Saskatraz bees just didn’t do well last year. I haven’t heard many people who got them last spring that are still living this spring.
I think you're right and the situation will be improved with my survivior stock. We'll see how this year goes :)
Thank you for the update. If you can and have time can you show us the process of how to clean the hive and frames/equipment so that you can reuse it.
There are many videos, by many beekeepers showing how to clean up a dead out. I think I'd rather spend the time on something else since it's so well covered already. Thanks for watching and commenting :)
Thanks for the reply and especially the information.
You're welcome.
Looks like if you follow your plan and repopulate the hive with one of your own B Weaver hygienic swarms, you’ll have better luck since mites were a big part of this death. I tend to think your queen flew the coop in a late season swarm by the apparent lack of huge numbers of corpses in addition to her being absent.
Sorry for the lost,Mr Dunn,, Jus Another Day in Nature,,the Life Cycle,,And Experience..🇱🇨👍🏿♥️♥️
Thank you Fred, I learned so much from your inspection and evaluation.
I get fall swarms if I’m not careful to add more space with the tremendous goldenrod flow in my little corner of Potter County. I think you may have had open cells, but they were too far away laterally in the hive. I think in warmer weather that wouldn’t have been a problem. Bees like vertical growth in cooler conditions as it is easier for the cluster to utilize their heat.
I have three deeps of Saskatraz bees in one colony just a week ago, and another in two deeps. It’s almost as if they had no winter loss in strength. So far I have had very good luck with the Saskatraz. Each hive produced 100 pounds of honey for me last year. And they still have about a hundred pounds each left. I’ll need to get some empty comb to them soon.
That is a great Saskatraz success story! Thanks for sharing.
I used my horizontal hive to house two colonies for the winter. The stronger one died, weaker made it. My wintering change next year, add an area similar to an inner cover on a standard hive to not only allow me to feed them, but also to top vent humidity. Feel one disadvantage to this hive is feeding. I did make sugar candy boards into frames but the cluster backtracked right before the vortex and started with food a few frames away. Top feeding sugar would have helped.
I hope that works out for you! :)
Hi Fred, really informative video, thanks 👍.
I have a home made horizontal hive too, I'm in Birmingham UK .
And had a similar dead out this year. As a newbie it's a heartbreak but I'm determined to try again.
I wasn't sure I can extract the honey, so I'm glad I see you are. Do you remove the wax from these frames too?
And, I will also destroy the frames with the dead bees on.
I will try a 3 split brood frame this year to see if I can control the varroa numbers. What do you think of this technique?
Thanks for the great lessons, Fred. The more we know, the better we do.
You are very welcome, thanks for watching and commenting :)
Very sorry for the loss but thank you for sharing this it was extremely educational and helpful.
So sad. That is a lot of honey. I just came here from the setup video and was thinking a split top would make it more accessible if you haven’t figured out an escape path for that lid. More complicated to seal too. I like the insulation you added. I was assuming the veroa climbed up from the ground, but hitching a ride on drones makes them very difficult to exclude.
I lost a couple hives this winter so far. Same thing as you, lots of honey, yet they look like they starved. My theory is that when we had -40 for a few weeks, they ate what they could get to and couldn't get to all the honey. The commercial guys won't be looking at their hives till May.
I hope they can figure that out. -40 is unimaginable to me here. wow.
@@FrederickDunn It could be mites here too. Last year I never lost any, even the dink hive made it. Here the drones get kicked out in September. feeding is done and hives are wrapped in October and they aren't looked at till May. losses can be substantial, depending on the winter, if you're a hobbyist or commercial.
Both my hives died last winter (in my horizontal hives). I did not get to do an inspection. I am very thankful that I got to see and learn from this video.
Question: At ~6:50, you talk about 'mite feces?'. Do we only see this in extreme cases of infestation?
Not necessarily just "extreme" cases, but just evident that the varroa mites are reproducing in the capped pupae cells. Just evidence of presence, not necessarily in overwhelming numbers.
Bummer you lost them. I was hoping they would make it through and boost the morale of the Long lang folks. Will you be doing a follow up on your Bee Weaver bees? The number of mites in this hive was a bit disconcerting and I am hoping to see your Bee Weavers doing well.
The BeeWeaver colonies are fabulous! I am glad I did try out the Saskatraz bees, but will not be bringing those around again. We'll keep going :)
Wow that's to bad Fred ,I was hoping for good results, I guess I will see how my first year in a horizontal hive works for me
Remember, I don't think it's the hive after examining the interior conditions, I think it's more the stock and queen loss.
My horizontal i tested this winter did great. Even up here in the brutal cold and all the snow it came out of winter with 8 frames of BEES. Best of luck
I love this long langstroth hive. I'm thinking of making one myself come early winter. Thanks for the videos
My current plans are FREE to use, and include my current design choices. fredsfinefowl.com/plansprints.html
Hi, Fred .... have you thought about that the queen run out of fertilized eggs in the autumn ... cluster looks normal but weak and without enough vital winter bees ... queenless cluster is usually spread in the hive and also often is victim of robery .... i believe that the queen could be among dead bees ... this is one more posibile scenario what have happened in this hive .... another one is that the new queen did not mate on time. ... drones are wellcome in this case .... anyway, nice video and explanation..greetings from Croatia
Sorry for your losses but really good information and analysis on what happened. Enjoy watching your video's by the way. I'm getting ready to put a Beeweaver queen in a Long Lang but was wondering if you thought having to much insulation could come back to bite me. I have 1/2" plywood sheathing sandwiching a 1" R5 foam board (so 2 " thick walls). I live in central North Carolina and was thinking the bee's may need more honey because they want go in to a true doormat state if the internal temp doesn't drop like a normal hive over winter.
I don't really think there is such a thing as too much insulation :) They will just use fewer resources as they go through winter, and may also use fewer resources in summer as they remain cooler. I think you're going to be just fine.
Fredrick although heart breaking, it’s good to see what happens when they lose a queen and they have a mite problem. So glad we don’t have mites here in oz. Again sorry for the loss of the hive but very educational and informative video. Thanks TrickyTrev 🇦🇺👍👍🐝🐝🐝🍯🍯🍯🍯
We did not have varroa mites in Europe either, but they came from somewhere long time ago.
What is so good in AU that mites are not reached there yet?
@@namentatic4978 yep that's right we don't have them here and hopefully we never get them either.
Very informative and useful work through of a dead out. I suppose, if they swarmed quite late, that a new virgin queen would not have a chance to mate, thereby leaving the colony effectively ‘queenless’. The original queen could of course have died, as you mentioned, but the late swarming does seem a more likely explanation, as the hive was thriving when going into winter, and your queen was probably healthy and not nearing the end of her natural life. It seems to me that very late swarms are getting more common, and makes me wonder if that might be down to climate changes, human interference (i.e. excessive feeding etc.) or maybe a combination of both.
All great points!
Sorry for your loss 🙁🐝🐝🐝🐝
Nice hive build
You need to work with local resistant stock thats sized right.
No artificial diets either, immune weakening increasing suseptability to all maladies ...
Happy beekeeping
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Fred, sorry you lost the hive. The way they expanded and as strong as they were it’s hard to believe they died out. I sorta believe you may have had a late swarm although there was a mite infestation.
Hi Don, always great to see your comments! I'm with you on that, late-season swarm that I just wasn't aware of. Too late to re-queen no matter the reason she departed. Frustrating, but an opportunity to educate others :) have a great weekend!
sorry about the loss. I went into winter with 8 colonies and am down to 2.
Yikes! Unfortunately, this is a familiar report this year. I lost four of fifteen for sure. I'm so glad you have the two to work with, but that's hard to have those empty colonies. I hope this year brings great things your way.
Thanks for all the energy and time you put into educating your public, very interesting!
You said that you would burn and replace the affected frames. Why not put them into the freezer or something?
It seems such a waste of very nice equipment!
You "could" boil them off and salvage the frames. The freezer only stops pest eggs like SHB or Waxworms.
You did mention that you did treat this hive. With the mites on the floor of the hive far from the brood nest may indicate the mites fell from the bees during the treatment. All the dead mites may be saying the treatment did work. Any thoughts. Thanks for the tour of the hive.
That is an absolute possibility. I think the absent queen is the primary cause of their demise.
Im sorry for your loss.
The colony looks quite small and i add the posibility that the queen might have absconded with a part of the bees right before the winter.
And the new queen she left behind could have not been fertilised and she made the drones.
For such small colony,the varroa mites are too manny.
All possibilities. Thanks for sharing!
So sorry. I lost both of my hives this year. Mite overload it looked like. Plus both hives up and left sometime in late October
How frustrating! I hope you continue with new bees this year.
Man I am sorry. I had this happen to me a few times and I felt like crying. Then I just went a few years not caring to raise bees anymore,but they must have evolved a bit or something.The last few years they all just hold there own.Have not treated for anything in the last 10 or 12 years.I used to order in queens every year. They seemed to be excellent queens untill the winter set in and they did not do very well.Now I stick with what ever nature provides me. It seems to me that once you start with all the treatments then you have to keep on doing it.
That hive is doing fantastic now. I've changed a few things. I'm glad you've had a good result with being treatment free, but based on reporting hive owners the treatment free group is suffering more losses than any other group of beekeepers. I was treatment free for 10 years, I averaged 40% losses annually. I hope some day we can all be treatment free with good results.
I also installed a Saskatraz package last year luckily (at the time I didn't think so) the queen died and eventually I wound up installing a Buckfast queen. I thought they would die out but so far this year their numbers are really strong. Now I'm in a fix. Expecting them to die out I ordered another nuc. I had ordered a nuc with a Buckfast queen really early. Then with nucs selling out quickly I bought and paid for another nuc from another supplier with a Pol-line queen. As luck would have it, or not, two days later we had a +50 degree day and the bees were going nuts on cleansing flights! Now I will be violating City ordinance, we are only allowed to keep 2 working hives. But even on a 45'x150' I have some good hiding places!!!
Aha, that's quite a situation! I did that last year, expected five colony losses, and ordered in replacement packages and everything made it. I ended up sharing the packages with other beekeepers as I was at capacity. Maybe you can get someone else to take them.
@@FrederickDunn I do want 2 hives. And only one of the nucs is paid for so I can probably find someone to take it. The way the Green Code is written here in Buffalo it sounds like the council didn't even consult a Hobby bee keeper let alone an expert. It has a sentence that says, "No more than two accessory bee colonies are allowed per lot..." I don't know what an accessory hive means but to me it means my resource hive or a nuc hive and not a working hive for honey!
Very informative video. This design can really house a bustling and healthy hive. I hope it will get to be one this year.
Still looks good to me, we'll see how it goes :)
Sorry for the late post, just discovered this video. BTW, great video and commentary. You mentioned that you will burn the frames. Can I ask why?
Thanks in advance!
Dave
Just because it's easy to just give them fresh foundation rather than take the chance that the brood disease may carry on to the next occupants. Not mandatory. The brood comb in parcitular is just a mess, the bees "could" clean them up. You could wash them out, flush the cells and put them back into service. Since I have plenty of extra frames, I just replaced them. But to be clear, it's not necessary in order to control this kind of brood disease.
Thanks for the great info. I would guess by the small amount of bees that the hive swarmed. Maybe do to the stress of the mite load. A brood break would lower the mites but without a queen doomed.
all true.
Was all that webby stuff on the clustered bees fungus or mold? Is that what happens after they have died? So sorry for the hive crash. 🐝😢
Hi Nancy, it's just hairy mold that forms on dead animals (or any other organic material) as nature reclaims those resources. The dead bees have moisture in their bodies and resources that molds thrive on. Part of normal decay and molds help recycle organic materials that are no longer living... cool eh? :) genetically similar yeasts attach themselves and start munching, well, the way that enzymes do. They, yeasts, are just floating around looking for something to attach themselves to and feed upon.
@@FrederickDunn thank you for the explanation. I enjoy your channel and have considered bee keeping having read up on the practice. I am interested in the long horizontal setup. I hope you have a better result with yours in the future.
Thanks for sharing the good, along with the bad and the ugly. Sad as it is, it's still good information to digest.
Thanks!
Sorry about your bees Fred. Although I haven't experimented with them myself; form what I understand, the QMF strips can be used to requeen a laying worker hive. They can also be used to introduce a queen to a hive that is hard to requeen.
No problems Dan :) and yes, I'm looking forward to playing with those pheromones this year. Lot of plans, we'll see how it goes! But we can get on top of laying workers if we can determine queenlessness in time. Landing board observations are valuable there. This one snuck under the wire on me :)
Sorry to hear this. That is a disappointment for sure. I've been following your long lang journey and have been wondering how it did through this winter. The Saskatraz bees definitely didn't seem to handle varroa well at all and seem to be to blame here. That was a suprise to see... Especially when contrasting that finding with your state hive inspection video which couldn't find any varroa... I can't wait to see how it performs with a good swarm stock of bees. Is it safe to say you won't be utilizing Saskatraz stock in the future?
I did not have Saskatraz stock during my State Inspection... they would have shown high mite counts.
I'm so sorry. that is so sad!! Didn't realize them little mites wer so destructive
Sorry that you lost the hive Fred. I lost one this year as well.
Thanks and I'm sorry you lost one. I hope the rest of your bees continue to do well.
Too bad you relied on the bees to keep the mite count low. For all of us it was invaluable to know that the Saskatraz bees didn't get it done this year in that hive. I really wanted to see them do well.
So, did they leave the hive because of the infestation? Did they swarm too late in the season? I saw legs and heads severed. What was that from? Is the queen in the dead bodies with her head cut off? Did they just fall apart after they died? Was there a battle? Looked like some moth damage also, maybe after they died.
Looking forward to your microscope report video coupled with your new swarm or bees for the hive. If I get bees it will be a long hive only and make it work.
Zero evidence of wax moths. Bee parts on the bottom board are normal. I did not rely on the bees to keep their mites under control, I had to treat them with OAV in this colony. I suspect a late season swarm. I do not think the varroa mites, though present, were the cause of the dead-out, I put the absence of the queen at the top of the list.
wow sad situation i thought saskatraz were the bees to get!!! i seriously enjoyed watching and lisetning to this thanks Mr dunn!!!
Glad you enjoyed it, I'll be working with my own bees this year, nothing new coming in. We'll see if we can get the mites under control.
We have had the opposite with our saskatraz bees they seems very good at managing mites and are so good at overwintering. They will give us 150lbs of honey then overwinter in a single deep box. They manage veroa and hive beetles quite well. But we can only get queens here not packages.
That is fantastic news, and glad you received some good Saskatraz Stock. They are definitely excellent honey producers, I haven't had any small hive beetle issues here in any of my colonies. The Sasktraz feedback has been largely negative, so it's nice to know that you had a great experience. I hope your beekeeping year continues to be great!
@@FrederickDunn we can’t import weaver queens . Sadly the Canadian government says no to anything from Texas. Keep up the good work I enjoy the videos
Wow! This is a great set up! Shame those bees didn’t survive. I hope the next bees living there will do better! Always love watching your videos! All the best! 😊
Thanks!
Sorry for your loss. If you get a working hive would it be possible to modify the long lang to add a flow hive system?
Since I have Flow-Hives, I see no need to add Flow-Frames to a Long Langstroth format. I don't see that as an advantage. Flow-Frames need to be tilted for proper extraction, and I can't think of a way to make that practical and useful in the horizontal format. You can certainly harvest honey from a Long Lang, but Flow-Frames, in my opinion, make something simple, into something unnecessarily complex.
@@FrederickDunn I only ask because I can't build both types of hive. But I think I like the long lang better because I won't have to lift heavy supers of honey and bees. Thanks for your advice.
So sorry to see this but I learned so much. Fred, I also lost 2 hives and have lots of deep honey frames. Did you say you could spin and extract it? I used apiguard and oa on some of my bees. Is that ok for my consumption? How long can you keep capped honey frames in garage... will be using some for resources/splits but not all. Thank you.
I am adding this to my discussion for Friday's Q&A as I think many others may have similar concerns :)
That is a bummer. I think you will do better this year
I agree. Thanks :)
when you looking at the brood frames you said you were going to burn them why are you not keeping the wood frame? why would you not take out the wax and reuse the wood? is there a chance that the varroa have eggs that are in the wood? i do like to see that there was lots of honey in the hive and cant wait to see you get the long layens hive going and this one going again. I know you here this lots love how educational your videos are and seeing your successes and the problems from your testing :)
I just remove brood comb as a precaution against potential pathogens. I have a stockpile of frames, so I'd rather the next colony start fresh. Wood is porous and can harbor pathogens, it "could" be re-used, but I'd rather they have a clean slate. The honey frames will be uncapped, harvested, and reintroduced.
@@FrederickDunn thanks was just interested why you said that makes lost of scene
That was a very thorough autopsy on that colony. Hopefully the next colony that makes that their home will fare better.
I'm counting on that CB :)
Thanks for the video. Very informative. Can you tell me if those plastic boxes are good to keep frames with honey over the winter? Do they seal well? And where do you get them? Thanks
Yes, I use them for winter storage of honey frames and also keeps my drawn comb at the ready for hive expansion and swap outs. They are from Hive Butler - hivebutler.com/ tell them Frederick Dunn sent y ou! :)
Very interesting, thanks for the walk through 🐝🐝🐝
You're very welcome!
Good luck this year!
Interesting so you see lots of varroa but no deformed wings. Sorry that the bees didn't make it. Are you planning on getting the new updated flow hive?
I was very happy to see the absence of deformed winged virus! Yes, I have the New Flow-Hive 2 + unit and just haven't put it together yet. I may make a video about that also. I'm making another bee yard and rotating gear OUT. So it's time for the new stuff here in my "varroa controlled" apiary.
Great video!!!! About that stored sugar syrup--will the bees cap stored sugar water?
HI Brad, it goes through several bee crops before getting into the cells and dried down to the appropriate moisture levels, but yes, sugar syrup can end up being the source of capped honey in the hive. That's why we don't feed colonies that we plan to take honey from. At least not until after the last harvest of the year.
Hi Fred sorry about the bee loss. However having read Keeping bees with a smile check out pages 238-239 on about the age of the queen and over wintering as moisture was not a problem. As she was a swarm queen she could have been 3yrs old? The hive was well insulated as per the book so the age of the queen definitely should be considered.. All the best Clive
She wasn't a swarm queen, she was a Saskatraz package install queen and less than a year old. I will be replacing them with a swarm, sorry if I wasn't clear about that. This video shows the install ua-cam.com/video/87kUcxSjJ2k/v-deo.html
What a shame. Sorry for the losses. Lost both my hives here in maine as well. Was a hard winter on the bees for sure
I've seen several videos in the past where the B-keeper said the horizontal never produce honey. Clearly that is not the case. Will you begin again with the sascatraz bees?
Enjoyed this very much. Thanks
I'm using my locally produced bees now, they are doing great :)
Hey Fred, still enjoying your video's.. By the by what is the name of the Blue entrance systems and where did you get them from....Thanks for the great video's and please keep up the good work.. Charles Rose
www.fredsfinefowl.com/hyfegatetestingprogress.html
Hi Fred, I have really evaluated this strongly and watch this video a couple times. I have a friend who lost three hives, one in the fall was very weak. Over the winter the other two hives were dead o u t s. Nearly an identical situation. I personally observed his hives. At first he thought his hives died out, when it warmed up they were loaded with bees and even bearding on the front. So now did his bees die? After a few short weeks of observation and your video as well. The scenario is near-identical. All of your last frames had no Bees at all on them. The bees you did have in a teeny tiny clusters and all the dead because you have would doubtfully fill a quart jar. His hives were the same way. Plenty of honey and loaded with feces from varroa mites.( you found no Queen) he did not either. My bootleg evaluation is that they absconded due to the Wellness of the colony as they were overtaken by mites. Now listen to this. He has extreme numbers coming to feeders. He has no Bees. But he has numerous bees in the area. I have been setting feeders out and be lining there. I even hung a hive 20 feet high in a tree with drawn comb and an empty box underneath in hopes of catching a swarm. I live about a mile and a half from him and have nowhere near the numbers of wild bees as is seen at his house. I think the Swarms I am trying to catch are his bees. The few bees you have in your hive we're probably just bees that got left behind or robbers that froze out. That is my evaluation by comparing your horizontal hive to his regular langstroth hives. The high numbers of bees coming to the feeders is evident that there are numerous bees nearby his house, when there are no other beekeepers for a distance. Bottom line I think they absconded one warm winter day for their only chance for survival. I watched the video when you actually introduced saskatraz bees into your new horizontal box. I have not read but a few of the comments, and there's one guy said he thought they swarmed, swarming is for reproduction. Absconding is leaving because the house is on fire LOL
All good stuff, thanks for sharing Larry!
@@FrederickDunn
Thank you Fred, I have been interested in bees for several years, my first year has been studying and watching and learning. I watch numerous videos educating myself as to the numerous beekeepers all have their own little tricks, I take what I need and learn from it. At this point all I have is a colony about 300 yards from my house with a PVC pipe in it, with about a ten frame tub that I made connected to it LOL I put that in there in the winter time and hoping they start building in there. I do have two complete bee hive boxes and just ordered my 3rd. I am going to catch my bees that are acclimated to my conditions and that did make it through the winter. I would definitely put some bees back in there and get her rolling like an old car, my friend gave me some black comb and it had those Mite eggs on it. I just took them out to the garden hose and sprayed those eggs out of there, shook out the water, and now have them with a fan blowing on them. I am going to use them in swarm traps. I was also wondering if an air hose would maybe work and surely be simpler. We had 0 degree temperatures so I do not fear any complications with using it. Good luck with that horizontal hive and thanks for sharing your experiences. You have bees I would just go to one of your Healthy hives and split a few off and throw them in there with some honey and a jar of sugar syrup unless you catch a swarm for it
It looks like an apocalypse man. I don't think they died out of old age as you have younger bees died as well. Maybe mold or some other poisonous food. I would give a frame for testing. Did you find out what happened? Thanks for sharing 👍
Hours after viewing your long Langstroth video. I am a first spring beek with my diy Doug fir long lang, and bee are doing great, so here are some question, and hopefully help. My hive has burr comb everywhere. Not yours? Non on box, or frames? Is there something bad about using oak, possibly VOC's. ?? Knowing your diligence, very interested in your research. The Best, H
Nothing to do with the oak, they sealed that up well with propolis. I think it was just the use of bee space. There is 3/8" between the frames and interior of cover boards, I think that did the trick. :)
Hey Fred. It's very sad that the 1st year with your horizontal hive didn't go as planned. Just a thought/question: I've been reading Keeping Bees with a Smile (as per your recommendation - LOVE IT!) and the recommendation for northern areas (such as you are and I am) seems to be double-deep horizontal hives. In fact, here's what he advised to a fellow Canadian on the Permies site: " I do NOT recommend a "horizontal Langstroth" hive (using standard American frames just 9" deep), no matter how well you insulate it." What do you think?
I even started to tinker with the idea of modifying my frames to make double-deeps out of them, and came across, yup!, Lazutin Hives. Going to make that a side project.
Keep up the great teaching. I know I get a lot of insight from watching your channel.
I'm going to give this another go. The deeper frames of the Layens will be interesting to compare. I have that hive set out in the same yard as this Long Lang. Dr. Leo is a great guy, and I enjoy his seminars. He recently said that people outside of his forested area should not expect to follow his annual inspection and non-treatment cycle. A double deep long lang, not sure how that would even work? I think it the queen had not departed or died in this colony, they should have made it. We'll give it another year and see what happens. The reason I say this is that there are top bar hive beekeepers in Vermont and they say it works. So... another puzzle to solve. I'm stil hopeful. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
@@FrederickDunn My understanding of the double-deep lang is that it would be like a Lazutin hive. The frames are similar to the Layens, except Adapted to Langstroth, so roughly 18 x 18" (square).
Here's a link to someone who makes them (I suspect you would be able to make them yourself as you seem pretty handy with a saw):
lazutinhives.com/
A company called Petit Hives (.com) also sells tham - but, once again, I think you'd be better off making it yourself
There is also a woman in Paris (Ontario) who built one based on Lazutin and Dr. Leo, she shares her findings:
bwestie.wixsite.com/barbara-westfall/deep-horizontal-revised
@@FrederickDunn I'm also curious about the Vermont experience. Given the various views regarding single or double chambers for wintering, I'd love to know what they do for winterizing.