They're doing the same that Villa did with Grealish. They never thought he was worth £100m, but they put that value on him to all but prevent other clubs from taking him. Just happened that City existed at the same time.
Worked out great for city that, lol. Barely use him, oh well he wanted to win things sitting on the bench so be it. He can look back at his medals in the future and say, I was in the squad for that.
@@Flinstone_Edible they’ve always been cursed, well certainly in Europe. Then again what they expect? They needed a striker and bought a creative midfielder when they already have some of the best in the world. Mental.
I’ve always wondered how much Grealish and Rice would be valued at if they had declared for Ireland rather than England, surely their price tags would be more realistic
He is a very decent player but 100+ mil is laughable. People come up with transfers like Maguire's to defend this price tag, but that was an exception not the norm.
The only players that would ever be able to justify such a price tag would be prime Ronaldo & Messi. Real Madrid got a bargain as they “only” paid £80 million for Ronaldo in 2009.
I agree with this 💯 💶 💯 💶 And when Ronaldo was sold to Juventus. Juventus got the marketing off of him to make the Fiat workers happy and Real gets their majority of the money spent made. Everyone wins
80m then was a world record though if I remember correctly so they paid a ridiculous amount for him. I do agree he was still a bargain though given his output at Madrid.
@@justaguy7365 no, it isn't. It's not just the buying club that's taking a risk, the selling club also needs to take into account what the after effect will be. If anything, for a club that is smaller in stature than the big clubs, it's harder to replace a key player, especially one as talismanic as Rice is to West Ham. Rice is currently at the same level as Rodri and Fabinho by his form in the last 3 years. How many players of that calibre will want to come to West Ham and for how much money?
I'd say its realistic to value him around the 50-70 range with today's prices and the fact that he actually is a very good player despite people thinking he's just overrated because he's English, but ultimately if United are the chief suitor given how desperate they are for that position like they were with Maguire I could easily see him going for 80 or above
@@Legend-zo9bc Rice would transform the whole demeanour of the team. The major issue at Manchester is the complete absence of a defensive midfield, leading to opponents' breakthrough after breakthrough leaving the defenders exposed. As much fun as it might be to ridicule Maguire, very often it's not really his fault, for the issue started way up the pitch and was already beyond repair once it reached him. No defender on Earth would strive in a setup like Manchester's. Manchester United is in desperate need of a defensive midfielder of Rice's caliber. They need his ability to quell danger early on more than everything else.
Sorry to disappoint you but those days of Man U splashing unrealistic offers for good players is over man. I don't see Ten Haag spending more than 60mil on a single player
@@lonestarr1490 I don't think that's right. Although your points on Rice are spot on. If you observe how Man United play they don't do a fundamental of football which is defend compactly. If you see how United lose the ball and how scattered their midfielders and attackers are adding rice would make little to no difference. He will be outnumbered in midfield because Man United when they lose the ball high up the field don't retract compactly. They are still spread outwide. It won't matter how good the midfielder they get is if his teammates aren't compact in a defensive shape
I rate Declan so highly. A rare and true modern box-to-box midfielder. The work rate of him, his ability to glide past players, can dictate the tempo of a game and pick out a pass. He's soo good. The heart of that west ham team.
@@KidCudi72 Firstly, those two things are not directly related at all Secondly, Rice is awesome keeping the ball under press and playing out with it, quite obvious you haven't seen him play much
Yep, coutinho dembele griezmann. Neymar alone did more for barca than these three combined. If neymar stayed it would have been more beneficial for both barca and neymar.
Broadly speaking what you say is true, however dembelé is finally starting to show his worth at Barca, he’s playing really well under xavi at the moment
Things like this used to be an unwritten sign saying "please stay away", until that Neymar transfer proving there's always someone mad enough to pay whatever, and i mean literally whatever, number written on the release clause.
Man I still can't keep up with the prices. Ever since that Pogba move.. like I still have the mindset that not even the best player in the world is worth 150 mil...
Only player that have been close to their value is VVD. And that is one of the few overpriced players that have improved the team over night. There should be a huuuuuge reason for anyone to buy anyone for more than 50 mil.
@@TheThirdWorldCitizen Manchester United too though. We have overpaid for so many players in the name of *English core* in recent years, it's actually laughable, especially considering we got nothing to show for it.
Interesting video but when it comes to top players the supply side is much more relevant than the demand side. West Ham valuing Rice so high (though an obvious tactic) is fair enough. Who can West Ham sign for £70m to replace Rice? If it’s not a good deal for West Ham they don’t have to sell so the supply side is just as important as demand.
@@MrMilla103 fair call but Rice is currently on £62k wages. Since he's been offered £200k per week you could replace him for 2x £40m players at £100k each. If that's 2x Kurt Zoumas - great. But we signed Vlasic for £27m, Benrahma for £22m, Haller for £45m... I'd rather have Rice than roll the dice twice. It's important to note, West Ham doesn't have the pulling power for bargains like Luis Diaz. Diaz was wanted by Liverpool and Spurs at the time, he's not choosing West Ham.
Everyone decided Man United is an easy mark and wants to con them out of 150m. As far as midfielders carrying their teams, Imagine what Gerrard would be worth after Istanbul.
I mean, he is an awesome player... But, since Neymar transfer, football market has been affected in a way that most 'ok' players are overpriced... We've been watching a growing and absurd bubble... With that said, he's not worth all this money...
City got Haaland for only 65 million (350 000 salary a week aswell). Even though that was a bargain, i reckon almost nobody in the world is worth more than that. Anyways. United spends an absurd amount of money for litterally anyone, so wouldnt be surprised if they buy Declan for 100 xd
Above 70M is actually silly, with that money you can get 2 great players, with 150M great players, its just stupid the amount of overprice the english nationality gets... Bruno Guimarães is a baller and went to Newcastle for only 45M. You can get Milinkovic-Savic for something like 55M and Tchouaméni for 45M, both are at the same level of Rice, and still have 50M left to use for other transfers. De Jong you can probably get from Barcelona for 50M. Not to mention players like Palhinha, who is a level bellow, but still a good player, and he would only be around 30M. Just look at Grealish, spending over 100M for a sub? Look at the price for Maguire, if people dont learn after that... I actually think Rice is a great player, but the overprice is insane.
Now that this video is relevant, since he is probably leaving this summer, I want everyone to understand that it’s not just the player you’re buying. You’re buying a player that took us to Europe again, a leader, our captain, a player from our own academy, the best player EVER to were the West Ham shirt. And an amazing person off the pitch too. I’m not saying 150m, but people need to look at the whole picture.
I personally rate Rice very highly. I think he's secure in posession, he reads the game well for West Ham, and his distribution is excellent (at least, so far it has been for West Ham). But 100ish million is ridiculous. I know it's a sales ploy from West Ham to get the best-est price for their star player, but I genuinely hope no one actually comes in and pays a transfer fee of that price.
@accideux progressive carries on the other hand he's exceptional, but sure all he can do is switch play. This the next meme that gets quoted literally every single game when he does something very good that isnt just switching play, or previously, passing sideways?
@accideux a little knowledge is a dangerous thing innit? Look, I don't mean to sound obnoxious but you just spouted off some stats without having proper context and tried to push an erroneous conclusion on everyone using those stats. Firstly, I don't think percentile for progressive passes means what you think it means. It's a bit complicated to explain, and to be honest, I'm not a 100% sure either, but it does NOT mean percentage of progressive passes completed or attempted. For one thing, out of all midfielders in the PL in terms of per 90 stats, Rice ranks in the Top 10 for most progressive distance covered in passes, most passes made into the final 3rd Secondly, you say switch play as if it was a negative thing. If you're talking about sideway passes that go nowhere that's one thing, but Rice has an insane range of passing and attempts a lot of long range through passes as well. Thirdly, you're attempting to play down his progressive carries stat (which he ranks highest in overall carries made of all midfielders in the league and Top 10 in per 90s) by saying he has open space to run into but leave out the fact he also ranks 5th for best dribble percentage by a midfielder who has attempted more than 50 dribbles this season. This means he also has the ability to beat his markers when he gets to full stride and not just randomly carrying it into open space. Also, you notice I keep mentioning per 90? That's my attempt to be as critically fair as possible, because if we go by overall stats, Rice is not just Top 10, he's Top 3 in most of those stats. Sure, that's cumulative, but to play that much and accrue that much means a lot too. This is all without taking into account the style of play played by the team Rice belongs to. Rice is the holding/box to box midfielder in a system that is heavily centered around counter attacks which are focused down the wings. Almost none of the West ham attack is geared towards incisive through balls for a striker with great off the ball runs, it's more quick paced forward movement with a lot of dribbling by the midfielders and forwards mixed in with hold up by Antonio from time to time. The important thing to take away from all this though, is that when it comes time for Rice to pick a pass, sideways or incisive, he's the best along with Rodri and Fabinho in terms of mixing it up from the middle, in terms of BOTH overall percentage as well as per 90 percentage.
@accideuxkey factor there being that it's a comparative stat talking about cumulative numbers, not taking into account quality of said passes or the percentage of completion of them, or the situations in which they were played. Range of passing also doesn't mean what you think it means. It doesn't mean you try every single type of pass equally throughout a game, but rather what he has in his locker that he is capable of unleashing. Want some context? Here are the two midfielders who play similar roles to Rice in the 2 premier PL teams, Rodri and Fabinho. The ratio of short to medium to long range passes attempted per 90 between the 3 is roughly this : Fabinho - 3:4:1 Rodri - 2:3:1 Rice - 2:2:1 and to put it into even more perspective, Rice has the highest percentage of medium to long balls attempted between the 3. And add to all this, Rice and Rodri are both almost equal in terms of the percentage of completed long and medium passes and comfortably above Fabinho in that stat. This means he is in the same league as Rodri and Fabinho when it comes to range of passing. Now, after taking all that in, take this into account, Rice is MILES ahead of the other 2 in terms of carrying the ball into the final 3rd and the gap gets even bigger carrying into the penalty box, yet Rice has the 2nd highest percentile among the 3 in both passes into the penalty box and final 3rd. If a player carries more into the final 3rd does it not make sense that he should have a much higher probability to do a layoff which would count as a sideway pass and not a progressive one? And remember, West Ham play with 1 striker up front, 2 attacking wingers and a creative attacking mid down the middle. What exactly do you think Rice's role would apparently be in that situation? Definitely not to get the numbers he's getting here now. Beyond all this, I have seen almost all his games this season, and have been watching him ever since he broke into the side and I can personally say, his impact in our team is way more than as a simple sideways passing machine. Almost all of our attacks start or go through him, and he is the best in the club at picking out a cross diagonal to switch play between the flanks, attacking flanks mind you
@@kayramah2531 only cause of their age back when they where both in their prime they where worth up to 250 mil. Harry Kane is worth 150 mil but looking at what he has done for Tottenham I can understand that.
It's crazy to go though that list of most expensive transfer and see the amount of relative failures. Arguable: Dembele, Coutinho, Felix, Griezmann, Grealish (still early days), Hazard, Lukaku (--> Man Utd & --> Chelsea??), Pogba, Higuain, Maguire, Sancho (again, still early days). Nearly half !
@@d1nesh._223 he wasn't a huge flop, but has better goal scoring returns in his final seasons at Everton and was ultimately sold after 2 years at a loss. Hardly a great success for the amount they paid
@@myst7042 that's in your hands top teams have the best sport scientist and guys to work there body if they cant stay fit its they own fault we're not in the pre 2000 anymore Players can and are expected to play longer more for a reason
The short answer is no. For 150M quid you can already buy 3-4 players who, while not as high-profile, could be equally important to a club. With 150M for example you can buy Akanji (out of contract), Tchouameni and Darwin Nunez. That's more value than Declan Rice could ever provide.
Felix is actually very talented and promising, the reason he is suffering is more on Simeone's haramball than his own fault imo. Under a good attacking manager he'll do great.
I think he probably is the best English player in and around his age. Buy him and you’ve potentially got a player for a decade. He’d probably be prefect for city / Chelsea and because city have the money to pay whatever they want it’s very likely he’ll go for that £100m You could definitely get similar or better players for less if you went for a non English option but I think he’ll give West Ham another year
I don’t remember at which club he played at, whether it was Fulham or Newcastle. But that “joelington” guy had better stats than Declan’s in the past or so season
Liverpool paid 45 million € for Luis Diaz. West Ham demands 150 £ for Rice. But Luis Díaz is Colombian, not English. Nuff said. If you want to burn your money then just go for overrated english mediocre players instead for much much cheaper and much much better top players outside England. Grealish, Maguire, Wan Bissaka are just 3 concrete examples in a long list of massively overrated overpriced english players.
Diaz us a winger who before this season was a relative unknown in a league outside the top 5. Rice is a midfielder who has been considered at the top of his trade since he was 20-21. It isn’t an English tax, it’s a way to dissuade potential bidders. Nuff said
@@CIMAmotor Rice won‘t prolong his contract at West Ham. So they will be forced to sell him after this season. Especially after they bottled their most important match in their history yesterday night and Won’t be playing any Champions League or Europa League next season. So they will sell Rice. And of course they want to sell him as expensive as possible.
@@tovartovarski5522 English players cost a lot because most players in the prem aren’t English. It’s why average English players are overpriced. LFC will never sell Trent but if they do theyre much more likely to sell him to Real Madrid for 60 million. If an English team was to get him he’ll cost double the amount, not because he’s worth it but to deter the team from buying him.
The short answer is yes! Because a club like West Ham cant find an equal or replacement too him for £70m. Every player west ham could buy with that money would be 1 or 2 clear downgrades. How much dont you think Bellingham would cost, and how much of a gamble isnt that? Just look at Sanchoand how that worked out, and who says the deal wouldnt get hijacked by a CL club like always. West Ham were first on the Diaz and had a done deal, But Liverpool hijacked it and as he would rather go to Liverpool for less money, nuff said.
That number is nowhere near justified. A player such as Camavinga moved for less than a fifth. 150 m not that abstract? Those price tags if paid are part of ruining football and create a monopoly.
Literally ignoring the entire point of the vid. It doesnt matter how good the player is. The person selling it does not want to sell it. You want to but somwthing off someone who doesnt want to sell, then you need offer huge amounts.
Will Rice win you a trophy that you otherwise wouldn't win? Or would 3 £50m players give you a higher chance of winning that trophy? How many trophies would you have to win to justify that £150m? There are constant rumours for a transfer to Man United, but that would be a terrible idea. They don't need more expensive signings with huge pressure to succeed. What they need right now is a proper rebuild & the patience to see it out. Maybe in a year or two, once Rice's contact is closer to the end.
If West Ham were to say sell him for £100m.. to replace him you’d need to drop £60m-£70m on a kalvin phillips or like.. who imo isn’t as good, is 4/5 years older, isn’t an automatic fit with the squad etc. That leaves you £30m change which isn’t worth it. The fact he’s the on field captain and drags West Ham through games I haven’t seen any other midfield player do for their club since Steven gerrard adds significantly to his value, especially for West Ham. He,d be a guaranteed success, we’ve seen him play for WH and England and there is nothing to say that he’d flop and be a waste of money.. you’d be paying for a guaranteed exceptional player and leader. The final point is that the extra £50m on top of the £100 is a deterrent. It’s not West Ham saying he’s a better player than mbappe it’s them saying he’s worth more to us than he is to you if you want him you have to match that.
Apart from Phillips who else can west ham really get honestly...I think he's their best option given the fact that he's also English they can sell him for a high value in the future if he performs well
The whole point is that West Ham don’t want to lose him so a club would have to pay well over the odds to buy him, so I don’t see why £150m is outrageous
@@007Fusiion You just watched a video showing you that all of the most expensive transfers (Neymar, Mbappe, Felix, Dembele etc) were not in the UK. Hardly the English clubs being delusional so far...
@@LoightaFluwid Maguire is not a leader lol, even his Hull teammate said that he does not deserve to be Utd's captain. The only reason he still has that armband is bcz of his price tag.
Talented, white, and English. Premier League clubs drool over those 3 qualities. Look at Grealish, Kane, and many other really talented players but not worth the insane amounts the clubs say they are.
No, Rodri and fabinho were about 50 mill, 40 mill each both better players and provide better value than 150 mill rice. Are you telling me Rice is worth 5 times of Fabinho or rodri
If Rice was at City with better players around him then you would see a better representation of his value but right now, 80 million is achievable. He will go to Chelsea once they’re sorted…..and that’s looking like it’s done ⚾️ now they are under the LA Dodgers wing ‘technically’
To even suggest these figures for a football in a time of such uncertainty is totally amoral! Football has lost touch with reality and I think will eventually destroy the beautiful game we love. I’ve followed Liverpool fc my whole life and we are in a situation with mo salahs contract at the minute!!! I’d rather see him leave than pay the stupid sums of money being demanded. Declan rice is a decent football player but to say he’s a £150 million player is madness.
It's already been distorted beyond any possible recognition but the average spectator hasn't/doesn't want to realize. Especially for the older dudes who grew up when their team was a representation of their city/community, those times are long gone and not coming back, what you watch now is just corporate using the skinsuits of what you used to love and using it to market jersey sales to kids in China.
Your answer to the question is right here - 1:44. Everyone on that list has been a flop. Even with. Mbappé, he's been great for PSG, but they haven't won anything they wouldn't have won without him. Conclusion? All teams should stop spending £100m plus for mediocre players.
I think you're forgetting the English tax though. Because Premier League clubs are the biggest spenders and because the Premier League has important rules about including english players in the squads, very good English players are valued that much higher as they not only fit in the role they're bought for but they also tick off an englishman in the squad, freeing up another position to be a foreign player. English players are also potentially welcomed by the fans that little bit more. This is why English players consistently attract maybe 20% more transfer fees than players from other countries. Rice would be about 60-80 million if he was foreign I believe but since he's English I believe that he would probably be more realistically valued at 70-90 million (especially when there are two huge English clubs in Manchester United and Chelsea who are desperately looking for a new CDM for the coming generation and rebuild)
Age is important here but I agree that Brozovic is a better midfielder. Rice would do a good defensive job for any team but he has no vision and a limited passing range - no 'cuteness' as Souness would say. It's silly money for a player who sits on the centre-backs' laps for most of the match.
@@4231jerome stats don’t really tell the story, you need to watch a player. It’s easy to make progressive passes in a counter attacking team with space to play in. Rice will do nothing vs low blocks
@@Dilllll26 that’s a fair point, though rice would probably play as an anchor in midfield for a big team, as a DM in a midfield 3 or as the more defensively minded midfielder in a 2 (in both shapes he’s proven very effective for England) In which case it’s not really his job to be making those passes.
Bundesliga mid table team Eintracht Frankfurt executed the hard reality check on West Ham United and Declan Rice. The reality on the pitch matters. Not the paid articles in english newspapers.
@@nephilimdj yeah but if your 150 player your balling out u mean to tell me a player worth that much a top dribbler of the ball and crosser can't create any chances from open play and that's been the case all year in no game against comparable players on good teams has he balled out
@@sherqyanstromain9580 squad is tired as they have barely any subs of quality and unlike most of the top 6, didn't have covid19 match delays. Rice is young and fit, sure he's not worth 150, but can't really judge Europa. Epl teams have entered it 100 odd times since the 70s and won 9 times
@@nephilimdj that's the same squad in January that people were is better than arsenal and spurs the same tired players who top performers in league Am not judging him on the Europa league and judging on output vs guys like xhaka , horberg , bentceur , party and that's without going into the top 3 teams the only reason his worth even 60ish mill is cause he english , outside of England his not worth 45
Sancho had 17 goals and 17 assists in 31 bundesliga games last season. I'd say 70mil for a youngster with those returns in a major league is a steal. Although he hasn't lived up to it.
Well yeah, because every club needs English players. If you have a good one, you can sell them for huge amounts because they are a hot commodity that some clubs lterally need.
We can thank PSG and City for this crazy transfer market. Their acquisitions of Neymar and Mbappe ruined the market, and City spending 100m on Grealish effectively killed the English market.
Camavinga has been extraordinary on most of his games, except for the first two, where he seemed lost a bit. But overall this season he was a monster. For Pedri of Barcelona, he already proved himself to be among the best.
Despite being english, he is good. But if West Ham value him 150(let’s say they gonna sell 120) Barca should value frenkie at least 150 specifically for man united.
United could really use him, but they need a lot of signings so it makes way more sense to actually scout well, get the best midfielder up to 50 million then strengthen elsewhere.
Trust me, as an Arsenal fan I should know. There are cheaper and better players out there...you lot need to go to leagues out of the UK and buy smart because you've spent way too much money already
He’s a VERY good player and seems to be improving at a rapid rate, but £100 million plus should be reserved for goal scorers OR big difference makers. Rice would improve a lot of teams, but for me that sort of money would have been adequate for prime Messi or Ronaldo. Possibly Mbappe or Haaland now based on current form and age.
Declan rice is currently the best player in his position in world football, but if we are willing to sell him for 150 mil, thats how much he is worth, its a simple concept, a player is worth however much a club is willing to sell him for
Technically yes and No. As a player no, but as an asset for West Ham for the next 2 years (merchandise, league position and European qualification) YES.
He ain't an asset. He's an employee. The world needs to stop treating employees like a thing of value you can own but as a subject that invest its time and labor in the s*itf*ckery of a business.
@@1882Stu Stop being so clueless. Useful = person as a utility = the person is considered an object. Persons are only an asset when they actually OWN you their time and labor = an asset needs an owner to be an asset.
Theres a huge flaw in the video, they keep saying “progressive passes” when he’s on a team that only counter attacks, theres no way he can replicate these stats in a posesion based team
@@isaaccastro4846 unless he's actually good on the ball, which he surprisingly is. It's not just his passes either, it's his progressive carries as well as high defensive values
West ham have put that price tag as it would probably take 150m to replace the gap that he would leave at the club, not necessarily what he might actually be worth to other clubs. The price is obviously skewed to deter anyone from trying to make a lowball offer and hopefully to avoid any interest at all
same question to you is Maguire worth 80mill, Grealish worth 100mill, Wan Bissaka worth 50mill? Not a chance this is because the UK media, UK ex players, UK pundits & even UK fans have been adoring with their own local players. These players not even close to the valuation at all because they didnt win anything or achieve any personal accolades. Hence, please tell me why Rice is worth 150mill? Then modric, kross, pirlo and keane should all worth more than 200mill if they are playing in this generation. Therefore, please wake up english players are not worth tat much because UK media and UK ex players said so. OMG no wonder England has won anything since in the 60.
England haven’t won anything since the 60s because their are better teams than England, not because they’re overhyped lol. Ousmane dembele was never worth the amount he was sold for but he’s still a World Cup winner. The reason why English players cost soo much is to put other English clubs of buying them.
west ham are literally better off accepting 80 or so million and rebuilding with 3-4 players with it than keep 1 player who runs down his contract. Spurs made the same mistake with kane imo, better off selling for 150m last summer and rebuilding with an extra 70 or so transfer budget...
Successful in the sense that if wanted they could flip him for double, made a lot of money of marketing since Mbappe is a young world star (fifa cover and all that) and probably also had his fair impact on the club winning league titles and national cups.
The £150m is clearly hyperbole designed to dissuade, but I think that up to £100m is a plausible price if things align (West Ham being ready to play hardball, Rice not especially agitating for the move, another Prem club keen to add him, still a few years on the contract etc.) but that falls into the £60-80m range if one or more of those factors isn't at play. So it's £100m to Newcastle or Man Utd right now, £80m to another top team, £60m if Rice really wants to go abroad and he's got less than 18 months on his deal.
100m? Rice is good but that's outrageous. English tax as usual with players like Grealish and Maguire going for the prices they went for. What next? Kalvin Philips for 150m?
@@GIBBO4182 Yeah, but you could say a player is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for him. So someone in City legit thought Grealish was worth that amount lmao. If the realease clause was truly deemed as overpriced and not worth it no one would've bought him
100+ million also has a financial component to it. At that point the team is betting the can recoup 15-20% of that fee in jersey sales or more butts in seats AKA commercial potential. Rice is a good, young player but....
neymar... hazard... griezman... bale... pogba... dembele... lukaku.... no player is worth that much and these expensive flops are all in the near "has beens" category....quality players? yes... worth the money paid for them? no... rice is the same ...and I used to play for WH even before lampard's father! hahah
I don't think Bale was a flop, he never become CR7's replacement as we expected, but he still scored some very important goals in his RM career. Tho he should've left in 2019 like Zidane said.
no chance bale was a flop. Its only the recent years that people think this. Ask anybody during or before 2018 and bale is one of the few successful big money moves. Crucial RMA player
Is he worth that? No. But West Ham have the right to value him at whatever they want and are in a position to make any team that is prepared to buy him massively overpay.
Yeah except that’s very short-term…if he doesn’t sign a contract and leaves on a free without winning anything, wouldn’t they have been better off taking some money and reinvesting it in new players to take them up a level?
No I agree with you they don’t HAVE to sell, and I understand your point but I’m just saying sometimes clubs are too keen on hanging onto a player who they’re inevitably going to lose and end up costing themselves in the long run…and potentially costing the player too
@@TheRo33a Realistically no club will pay 150 million for a CDM. West Ham know the max they can get for him is 75 million. I dont think his value will decrease by much if they hold on to him for 2 more years. And in those 2 years, they can use him to try and finish in the top 6. City, Chelsea and Liverpool dont need Rice right now. Madrid and Barca seem like they are good in that position too. United are the only club who will be able to pay that much but they dont even have Champions League. If I am Rice, I sit tight for another year.
Fabinho is a space shuttle compared to Rice. And he’s playing on a much higher level for years and has won dozens of titles. Liverpool bought the Brazilian Fabinho for a reasonable price of 45 million € from AS Monaco. So literally they bought Fabinho for 1/4 of the price West Ham demands for Rice. Just to put mediocre Rice and titleless mid table team West Ham into the right context.
The stats don't really bear that out though, do they? Rice is comparable in that position in most metrics which matter. Of course, that should mean he's worth £45 million, not £150 million and I think that's probably about right.
And Fabinho even won the Ligue 1 and got to the Champions League semis with Monaco back then. Meanwhile Rice is stuck with a mid table team like West Ham.
Fabinho wasnt a reasonable price. He was a bargain. Liverpool bought him well under his valuation at the time, so your measurement on player value is therefore skewed terribly. AS Monaco were not really in a great negotiating position either, since it was only Liverpool and PSG interested him at the time, and Monaco needed the money, while PSG could not afford him, since they needed Neymar and Mbappe.
@@arielp9442 I actually thought Fabinho was fairly priced. He is a CDM afterall, not a forward. But like the video said, Rice's value is mainly to deter other clubs off. There is no way any CDM should be more than 50 to 60 million, even in today's market.
They're doing the same that Villa did with Grealish. They never thought he was worth £100m, but they put that value on him to all but prevent other clubs from taking him. Just happened that City existed at the same time.
Worked out great for city that, lol. Barely use him, oh well he wanted to win things sitting on the bench so be it. He can look back at his medals in the future and say, I was in the squad for that.
@@Murdocke89 he has cursed city so far.
@@Flinstone_Edible they’ve always been cursed, well certainly in Europe. Then again what they expect? They needed a striker and bought a creative midfielder when they already have some of the best in the world. Mental.
What about Barcelona with Dembele 126M and Coutinho 122M. The biggest scams I've ever seen and they haven't won nothing since they did that
@@Murdocke89 you're very right on that. Hopefully many players can look at his situation and think before they make the wrong decision.
I’ve always wondered how much Grealish and Rice would be valued at if they had declared for Ireland rather than England, surely their price tags would be more realistic
15 million max.
Fully agree
that is an interesting prospect lol
True 👏
They’d be no more than 40 mill
He is a very decent player but 100+ mil is laughable. People come up with transfers like Maguire's to defend this price tag, but that was an exception not the norm.
For real, you can’t justify a new price by basing it off a terrible deal before 😂
I think 50 mill is to much with to yrs lift on his contract
He ain't good enough to be worth 45 million.
@@stnbch3025 ok that's means u either haven't watched him enough or ur one of those guys who hate english players.
@@stnbch3025 You must be joking. 60mil minimum with a max price of 70
Glad he eventually ended up at Arsenal. Amazing how much can change in a year
The only players that would ever be able to justify such a price tag would be prime Ronaldo & Messi. Real Madrid got a bargain as they “only” paid £80 million for Ronaldo in 2009.
I agree with this 💯 💶 💯 💶
And when Ronaldo was sold to Juventus.
Juventus got the marketing off of him to make the Fiat workers happy and Real gets their majority of the money spent made. Everyone wins
80m then was a world record though if I remember correctly so they paid a ridiculous amount for him. I do agree he was still a bargain though given his output at Madrid.
@@davidzheng369 The deal made no sense financially to Juventus…
@@andyc6542 Real actually made profit from selling 30's player
bought for 80m only to sell decade later for 100m
@@jacka3080 back then was a different time
Course he isn’t.
For west ham he is but for not the buying clubs. Obviously that doesn't mean he isn't a very good player.
@@Noah-dh6se 😂 did you not figure that out without the video
Defo is
Straight to the point
If Kane at 30 is worth 150m, Rice at 22 could well be
Camavinga was bought for 30-35mil , its not possible that declan rice is worth five camavingas
Not as simple as that
@@michaelpachuau3885 actually it is
@@justaguy7365 no, it isn't. It's not just the buying club that's taking a risk, the selling club also needs to take into account what the after effect will be. If anything, for a club that is smaller in stature than the big clubs, it's harder to replace a key player, especially one as talismanic as Rice is to West Ham. Rice is currently at the same level as Rodri and Fabinho by his form in the last 3 years. How many players of that calibre will want to come to West Ham and for how much money?
Camavinga had 1 year left on his contract, so it was 30 million or free
He is cuz hes proved himsrlf, camavinga aint proved anything mainly a bench player.
I'd say its realistic to value him around the 50-70 range with today's prices and the fact that he actually is a very good player despite people thinking he's just overrated because he's English, but ultimately if United are the chief suitor given how desperate they are for that position like they were with Maguire I could easily see him going for 80 or above
I really hope we don't do it as good as he is. We need to strengthen in so many positions that it would dent our budget massively.
@@Legend-zo9bc it's worth it if he's good enough otherwise Neves is also good.
@@Legend-zo9bc Rice would transform the whole demeanour of the team.
The major issue at Manchester is the complete absence of a defensive midfield, leading to opponents' breakthrough after breakthrough leaving the defenders exposed. As much fun as it might be to ridicule Maguire, very often it's not really his fault, for the issue started way up the pitch and was already beyond repair once it reached him. No defender on Earth would strive in a setup like Manchester's.
Manchester United is in desperate need of a defensive midfielder of Rice's caliber. They need his ability to quell danger early on more than everything else.
Sorry to disappoint you but those days of Man U splashing unrealistic offers for good players is over man. I don't see Ten Haag spending more than 60mil on a single player
@@lonestarr1490 I don't think that's right. Although your points on Rice are spot on. If you observe how Man United play they don't do a fundamental of football which is defend compactly.
If you see how United lose the ball and how scattered their midfielders and attackers are adding rice would make little to no difference.
He will be outnumbered in midfield because Man United when they lose the ball high up the field don't retract compactly. They are still spread outwide.
It won't matter how good the midfielder they get is if his teammates aren't compact in a defensive shape
Come to think of it, I'm convinced David Moyes is that opposition coach on FM who raises every bid to €100M.
So true 😂
I rate Declan so highly. A rare and true modern box-to-box midfielder. The work rate of him, his ability to glide past players, can dictate the tempo of a game and pick out a pass. He's soo good. The heart of that west ham team.
"Dictate tempo" LOLLLLLL
He's shocker under press.
@@KidCudi72 tennis fan spotted 😂😂
@@KidCudi72 except like, every time he's under press.
@@KidCudi72 Firstly, those two things are not directly related at all
Secondly, Rice is awesome keeping the ball under press and playing out with it, quite obvious you haven't seen him play much
the sad part is in the list tifo showed there is a lot of players barca bought for huge sum but were worthless
Yep, coutinho dembele griezmann. Neymar alone did more for barca than these three combined. If neymar stayed it would have been more beneficial for both barca and neymar.
I hate Bartomeu so much
Broadly speaking what you say is true, however dembelé is finally starting to show his worth at Barca, he’s playing really well under xavi at the moment
what someone is bought for matters little, VVD went for less than McGuire who is the better player?
@@sarbsukhsingh8347 in dembele's defence, it was not the ability but the injurues. Now Coutinho and Griezmann utterly capitulated at Barca
Things like this used to be an unwritten sign saying "please stay away", until that Neymar transfer proving there's always someone mad enough to pay whatever, and i mean literally whatever, number written on the release clause.
PSG: First club to kick down the massive release clause sign.
Yeah I don’t blame West Ham, if you gonna pay it they will take it
Man I still can't keep up with the prices.
Ever since that Pogba move.. like I still have the mindset that not even the best player in the world is worth 150 mil...
Only player that have been close to their value is VVD. And that is one of the few overpriced players that have improved the team over night. There should be a huuuuuge reason for anyone to buy anyone for more than 50 mil.
And Allison, he was worth every single penny.
Dortmund, Barcelona, PSG and Monaco destroyed the market with their dumb fees and purchases more than any premier league team imo.
@@TheThirdWorldCitizen Manchester United too though. We have overpaid for so many players in the name of *English core* in recent years, it's actually laughable, especially considering we got nothing to show for it.
Neymar transfer really ruined any reasonabality in transfer market
Interesting video but when it comes to top players the supply side is much more relevant than the demand side. West Ham valuing Rice so high (though an obvious tactic) is fair enough. Who can West Ham sign for £70m to replace Rice? If it’s not a good deal for West Ham they don’t have to sell so the supply side is just as important as demand.
They don't need to sign a 70m replacement. More like 2 mifielders for around 40m each.
@@MrMilla103 fair call but Rice is currently on £62k wages. Since he's been offered £200k per week you could replace him for 2x £40m players at £100k each. If that's 2x Kurt Zoumas - great. But we signed Vlasic for £27m, Benrahma for £22m, Haller for £45m... I'd rather have Rice than roll the dice twice. It's important to note, West Ham doesn't have the pulling power for bargains like Luis Diaz. Diaz was wanted by Liverpool and Spurs at the time, he's not choosing West Ham.
@@MrMilla103 which would overall be a downgrade, rice is that good for us, not to mention how important he is off the pitch.
who's here after arsenal signed him for 100+5 million!!
Everyone decided Man United is an easy mark and wants to con them out of 150m.
As far as midfielders carrying their teams,
Imagine what Gerrard would be worth after Istanbul.
300m+
@@justarshad8354 slipped
No he wouldn't be worth that much, even the best midfielders around today for the most part wont cost you that much with the right scouting
@@716_ハディくん ya mama!
Imagine what Gerrard would be worth after winning a league title...
I mean, he is an awesome player... But, since Neymar transfer, football market has been affected in a way that most 'ok' players are overpriced... We've been watching a growing and absurd bubble...
With that said, he's not worth all this money...
City got Haaland for only 65 million (350 000 salary a week aswell). Even though that was a bargain, i reckon almost nobody in the world is worth more than that. Anyways. United spends an absurd amount of money for litterally anyone, so wouldnt be surprised if they buy Declan for 100 xd
Above 70M is actually silly, with that money you can get 2 great players, with 150M great players, its just stupid the amount of overprice the english nationality gets...
Bruno Guimarães is a baller and went to Newcastle for only 45M.
You can get Milinkovic-Savic for something like 55M and Tchouaméni for 45M, both are at the same level of Rice, and still have 50M left to use for other transfers.
De Jong you can probably get from Barcelona for 50M.
Not to mention players like Palhinha, who is a level bellow, but still a good player, and he would only be around 30M.
Just look at Grealish, spending over 100M for a sub? Look at the price for Maguire, if people dont learn after that... I actually think Rice is a great player, but the overprice is insane.
Ruben Neves costs round 40 million also and is a general in midfield
Man said de jong for 50 mil LMAOOOOOO
Ye I’m doubting that figure as well lmfao
Dude, De Jong would cost 80mil. But then again, De Jong is better than Rice but cost half price
@@khuongnguyen6644 de Jong's price is "not for sale"
Now that this video is relevant, since he is probably leaving this summer, I want everyone to understand that it’s not just the player you’re buying. You’re buying a player that took us to Europe again, a leader, our captain, a player from our own academy, the best player EVER to were the West Ham shirt. And an amazing person off the pitch too. I’m not saying 150m, but people need to look at the whole picture.
If I was West Ham I take the money on Declan and deepen the squad. He’s an academy player. He’s a profit opportunity - capitalize on it.
They'll get 25 for him.
He is a Chelsea academy player mate....
@@alfgrebs6172 🤡
@@arielp9442 He's a typical overrated english bum.
@@southerner6852 he’s both Chelsea releases him hammers paid nothing. Point remains they paid nothing for him and can make a giant profit.
I personally rate Rice very highly. I think he's secure in posession, he reads the game well for West Ham, and his distribution is excellent (at least, so far it has been for West Ham). But 100ish million is ridiculous. I know it's a sales ploy from West Ham to get the best-est price for their star player, but I genuinely hope no one actually comes in and pays a transfer fee of that price.
@accideux .... i did try to give it a cavaet by saying "so far" and "for West Ham". 😅
@accideux progressive carries on the other hand he's exceptional, but sure all he can do is switch play. This the next meme that gets quoted literally every single game when he does something very good that isnt just switching play, or previously, passing sideways?
@accideux a little knowledge is a dangerous thing innit? Look, I don't mean to sound obnoxious but you just spouted off some stats without having proper context and tried to push an erroneous conclusion on everyone using those stats.
Firstly, I don't think percentile for progressive passes means what you think it means. It's a bit complicated to explain, and to be honest, I'm not a 100% sure either, but it does NOT mean percentage of progressive passes completed or attempted.
For one thing, out of all midfielders in the PL in terms of per 90 stats, Rice ranks in the Top 10 for most progressive distance covered in passes, most passes made into the final 3rd
Secondly, you say switch play as if it was a negative thing. If you're talking about sideway passes that go nowhere that's one thing, but Rice has an insane range of passing and attempts a lot of long range through passes as well.
Thirdly, you're attempting to play down his progressive carries stat (which he ranks highest in overall carries made of all midfielders in the league and Top 10 in per 90s) by saying he has open space to run into but leave out the fact he also ranks 5th for best dribble percentage by a midfielder who has attempted more than 50 dribbles this season.
This means he also has the ability to beat his markers when he gets to full stride and not just randomly carrying it into open space.
Also, you notice I keep mentioning per 90? That's my attempt to be as critically fair as possible, because if we go by overall stats, Rice is not just Top 10, he's Top 3 in most of those stats. Sure, that's cumulative, but to play that much and accrue that much means a lot too.
This is all without taking into account the style of play played by the team Rice belongs to. Rice is the holding/box to box midfielder in a system that is heavily centered around counter attacks which are focused down the wings. Almost none of the West ham attack is geared towards incisive through balls for a striker with great off the ball runs, it's more quick paced forward movement with a lot of dribbling by the midfielders and forwards mixed in with hold up by Antonio from time to time.
The important thing to take away from all this though, is that when it comes time for Rice to pick a pass, sideways or incisive, he's the best along with Rodri and Fabinho in terms of mixing it up from the middle, in terms of BOTH overall percentage as well as per 90 percentage.
@accideuxkey factor there being that it's a comparative stat talking about cumulative numbers, not taking into account quality of said passes or the percentage of completion of them, or the situations in which they were played.
Range of passing also doesn't mean what you think it means. It doesn't mean you try every single type of pass equally throughout a game, but rather what he has in his locker that he is capable of unleashing.
Want some context? Here are the two midfielders who play similar roles to Rice in the 2 premier PL teams, Rodri and Fabinho.
The ratio of short to medium to long range passes attempted per 90 between the 3 is roughly this :
Fabinho - 3:4:1
Rodri - 2:3:1
Rice - 2:2:1
and to put it into even more perspective, Rice has the highest percentage of medium to long balls attempted between the 3.
And add to all this, Rice and Rodri are both almost equal in terms of the percentage of completed long and medium passes and comfortably above Fabinho in that stat.
This means he is in the same league as Rodri and Fabinho when it comes to range of passing.
Now, after taking all that in, take this into account, Rice is MILES ahead of the other 2 in terms of carrying the ball into the final 3rd and the gap gets even bigger carrying into the penalty box, yet Rice has the 2nd highest percentile among the 3 in both passes into the penalty box and final 3rd.
If a player carries more into the final 3rd does it not make sense that he should have a much higher probability to do a layoff which would count as a sideway pass and not a progressive one?
And remember, West Ham play with 1 striker up front, 2 attacking wingers and a creative attacking mid down the middle. What exactly do you think Rice's role would apparently be in that situation? Definitely not to get the numbers he's getting here now.
Beyond all this, I have seen almost all his games this season, and have been watching him ever since he broke into the side and I can personally say, his impact in our team is way more than as a simple sideways passing machine. Almost all of our attacks start or go through him, and he is the best in the club at picking out a cross diagonal to switch play between the flanks, attacking flanks mind you
"his distribution is excellent", what is he a GK?
Asking if any player (aside from Ronaldo and Messi) is worth $150M is like asking if NFTs are valuable.
The answer is yes but actually no
Ronaldo and Messi aren't worth that much money either nowadays.
*£
Ronaldo and Messi are old men, they are worth no more than £20M, with their ridiculous wage demands.
@@kayramah2531 only cause of their age back when they where both in their prime they where worth up to 250 mil. Harry Kane is worth 150 mil but looking at what he has done for Tottenham I can understand that.
The short answer is no.
The long answer is noooooooooooooo
Can we please get a video breaking down Brentford set piece tactics, they just scored another one today
The part about about the Europa League is off the table as of last night. Greetings from Frankfurt ;)
It's crazy to go though that list of most expensive transfer and see the amount of relative failures. Arguable: Dembele, Coutinho, Felix, Griezmann, Grealish (still early days), Hazard, Lukaku (--> Man Utd & --> Chelsea??), Pogba, Higuain, Maguire, Sancho (again, still early days). Nearly half !
well said
Lakaka was definitely more than decent for United
I think it's important to point out some of those players failed because of injury (reason out of their hands).
Like Dembele, Felix and Hazard.
@@d1nesh._223 he wasn't a huge flop, but has better goal scoring returns in his final seasons at Everton and was ultimately sold after 2 years at a loss. Hardly a great success for the amount they paid
@@myst7042 that's in your hands top teams have the best sport scientist and guys to work there body if they cant stay fit its they own fault we're not in the pre 2000 anymore
Players can and are expected to play longer more for a reason
The short answer is no. For 150M quid you can already buy 3-4 players who, while not as high-profile, could be equally important to a club. With 150M for example you can buy Akanji (out of contract), Tchouameni and Darwin Nunez. That's more value than Declan Rice could ever provide.
Grealish, Lukaku, Dembele, Griezman, Coutinho, Hazard, Felix... It's not worth spending 100m+ on a player
Dembele and Felix are young tho
Felix is actually very talented and promising, the reason he is suffering is more on Simeone's haramball than his own fault imo.
Under a good attacking manager he'll do great.
@@neymarfan4023 agree
@@neymarfan4023 he has pep player written all over him
He’s the perfect player for peps centre forward false 9/Deep lying forward role
@@thebigquack6945 No thanks.
I think he probably is the best English player in and around his age. Buy him and you’ve potentially got a player for a decade. He’d probably be prefect for city / Chelsea and because city have the money to pay whatever they want it’s very likely he’ll go for that £100m
You could definitely get similar or better players for less if you went for a non English option but I think he’ll give West Ham another year
Why would city buy Rice when they have Rodri?
I don’t remember at which club he played at, whether it was Fulham or Newcastle. But that “joelington” guy had better stats than Declan’s in the past or so season
These videos are fantastic. Insightful, thought provoking and entertaining. Take a leaf BT and Sky...
The same Rice in Italy, France would be worth 50 million € and in Croatia 10 million €.
Liverpool paid 45 million € for Luis Diaz. West Ham demands 150 £ for Rice. But Luis Díaz is Colombian, not English. Nuff said. If you want to burn your money then just go for overrated english mediocre players instead for much much cheaper and much much better top players outside England. Grealish, Maguire, Wan Bissaka are just 3 concrete examples in a long list of massively overrated overpriced english players.
Diaz us a winger who before this season was a relative unknown in a league outside the top 5. Rice is a midfielder who has been considered at the top of his trade since he was 20-21. It isn’t an English tax, it’s a way to dissuade potential bidders. Nuff said
Didn't you watch the video? What do you not understand? That valuation is designed to DETER other clubs ffs.
@@CIMAmotor this is just half the truth.
@@CIMAmotor Rice won‘t prolong his contract at West Ham. So they will be forced to sell him after this season. Especially after they bottled their most important match in their history yesterday night and Won’t be playing any Champions League or Europa League next season. So they will sell Rice. And of course they want to sell him as expensive as possible.
@@tovartovarski5522 English players cost a lot because most players in the prem aren’t English. It’s why average English players are overpriced. LFC will never sell Trent but if they do theyre much more likely to sell him to Real Madrid for 60 million. If an English team was to get him he’ll cost double the amount, not because he’s worth it but to deter the team from buying him.
Love your videos mate!! Excellent stuff indeed!! 👍👍
The short answer is yes!
Because a club like West Ham cant find an equal or replacement too him for £70m. Every player west ham could buy with that money would be 1 or 2 clear downgrades. How much dont you think Bellingham would cost, and how much of a gamble isnt that? Just look at Sanchoand how that worked out, and who says the deal wouldnt get hijacked by a CL club like always.
West Ham were first on the Diaz and had a done deal, But Liverpool hijacked it and as he would rather go to Liverpool for less money, nuff said.
Would love to see a deep dive on Declan Rice, how he plays for England and West Ham, and how he could potentially play for a club like United. ✌️
Give up he's not going to United
downgrade
I think he’ll move to a decent club if he leaves West Ham.
United would turn him into McTominay 2.0
It would be a horrific transfer to United they need a rebuild and spending all there money on one players is stupid absolutely stupid
@@adambutterworth7608 if he goes anywhere I’d think it would be arsenal no cap
That number is nowhere near justified. A player such as Camavinga moved for less than a fifth. 150 m not that abstract? Those price tags if paid are part of ruining football and create a monopoly.
These prices only demonstrate the premier league it’s already the super league
Literally ignoring the entire point of the vid. It doesnt matter how good the player is. The person selling it does not want to sell it. You want to but somwthing off someone who doesnt want to sell, then you need offer huge amounts.
Will Rice win you a trophy that you otherwise wouldn't win? Or would 3 £50m players give you a higher chance of winning that trophy? How many trophies would you have to win to justify that £150m?
There are constant rumours for a transfer to Man United, but that would be a terrible idea. They don't need more expensive signings with huge pressure to succeed. What they need right now is a proper rebuild & the patience to see it out. Maybe in a year or two, once Rice's contact is closer to the end.
Exactly, if they Can get Rice for 60mill max.
Bring him on, otherwise get someone else.
@@kragaliciuos9476 Ibrahim Sangare
If Rice costs 150 million, how much does beef cost?
It looks like production quality has gone up. Great video.
Who's back here in July 2023?
If West Ham were to say sell him for £100m.. to replace him you’d need to drop £60m-£70m on a kalvin phillips or like.. who imo isn’t as good, is 4/5 years older, isn’t an automatic fit with the squad etc. That leaves you £30m change which isn’t worth it. The fact he’s the on field captain and drags West Ham through games I haven’t seen any other midfield player do for their club since Steven gerrard adds significantly to his value, especially for West Ham. He,d be a guaranteed success, we’ve seen him play for WH and England and there is nothing to say that he’d flop and be a waste of money.. you’d be paying for a guaranteed exceptional player and leader. The final point is that the extra £50m on top of the £100 is a deterrent. It’s not West Ham saying he’s a better player than mbappe it’s them saying he’s worth more to us than he is to you if you want him you have to match that.
Apart from Phillips who else can west ham really get honestly...I think he's their best option given the fact that he's also English they can sell him for a high value in the future if he performs well
The whole point is that West Ham don’t want to lose him so a club would have to pay well over the odds to buy him, so I don’t see why £150m is outrageous
“a club”? It’s only delusional English clubs that will entertain that price for him.
@@007Fusiion Barcelona buying Dembele and Coutinho would beg to differ
@@007Fusiion You just watched a video showing you that all of the most expensive transfers (Neymar, Mbappe, Felix, Dembele etc) were not in the UK. Hardly the English clubs being delusional so far...
@@GIBBO4182 That doesnt mean you spend 100 million and 80 million on Grealish and Maguire
@@KKlaryon they were not desperate, they were wreckless and looking for hype over quality. Look at the financial situation of Barcelona now
We all knew at some point he will handed West Ham the transfer request and will eventually left for around 60-70 mil
Last chance is summer 23 to get that kind of money for him. Nobody will pay 70m for a player in their last year.
He also has leadership quality and experience, that will also boost his value for a club needing those qualities like United.
Maguire also looked like a leader before moving to Man Utd. He’s now a full time clown.
@@LoightaFluwid Maguire is not a leader lol, even his Hull teammate said that he does not deserve to be Utd's captain.
The only reason he still has that armband is bcz of his price tag.
Talented, white, and English. Premier League clubs drool over those 3 qualities. Look at Grealish, Kane, and many other really talented players but not worth the insane amounts the clubs say they are.
No, Rodri and fabinho were about 50 mill, 40 mill each both better players and provide better value than 150 mill rice. Are you telling me Rice is worth 5 times of Fabinho or rodri
Fabinho was a steal though.
Damn you are not good at math
To Westham, yes
If Rice was at City with better players around him then you would see a better representation of his value but right now, 80 million is achievable. He will go to Chelsea once they’re sorted…..and that’s looking like it’s done ⚾️ now they are under the LA Dodgers wing ‘technically’
And that would be a little over 3 times not 5...
I love him as a player. An intelligent player.
Sadly lacks ability. Don’t @ at me
Where was he yesterday in his clubs biggest game ever??!
😂
He’s a great player and homegrown, that comes with a premium. Man U (hopeful buyers) have deep pockets that adds a 2nd premium.
No. Maybe 60 million - 70 million at most (with the included upcharge for being from the UK)
To even suggest these figures for a football in a time of such uncertainty is totally amoral!
Football has lost touch with reality and I think will eventually destroy the beautiful game we love.
I’ve followed Liverpool fc my whole life and we are in a situation with mo salahs contract at the minute!!!
I’d rather see him leave than pay the stupid sums of money being demanded.
Declan rice is a decent football player but to say he’s a £150 million player is madness.
It's already been distorted beyond any possible recognition but the average spectator hasn't/doesn't want to realize. Especially for the older dudes who grew up when their team was a representation of their city/community, those times are long gone and not coming back, what you watch now is just corporate using the skinsuits of what you used to love and using it to market jersey sales to kids in China.
Your answer to the question is right here - 1:44.
Everyone on that list has been a flop. Even with. Mbappé, he's been great for PSG, but they haven't won anything they wouldn't have won without him.
Conclusion? All teams should stop spending £100m plus for mediocre players.
👏🏼he’s not worth that in the market, but he’s worth that to West Ham👏🏼
1 year later arsenal have signed him for £105 million,he is a gunner
I think you're forgetting the English tax though. Because Premier League clubs are the biggest spenders and because the Premier League has important rules about including english players in the squads, very good English players are valued that much higher as they not only fit in the role they're bought for but they also tick off an englishman in the squad, freeing up another position to be a foreign player. English players are also potentially welcomed by the fans that little bit more. This is why English players consistently attract maybe 20% more transfer fees than players from other countries. Rice would be about 60-80 million if he was foreign I believe but since he's English I believe that he would probably be more realistically valued at 70-90 million (especially when there are two huge English clubs in Manchester United and Chelsea who are desperately looking for a new CDM for the coming generation and rebuild)
yeah i know, but if he is not england players, it would be 35, and 60 if hes england
If Rice is worth 150 million £ then the world‘s best number 6/8 Marcelo Brozovic is worth at least 300 million £.
Age is important here but I agree that Brozovic is a better midfielder. Rice would do a good defensive job for any team but he has no vision and a limited passing range - no 'cuteness' as Souness would say. It's silly money for a player who sits on the centre-backs' laps for most of the match.
Indeed
he has pretty good passing/progressive passing stats for a player with ‘no vision and limited passing range’
@@4231jerome stats don’t really tell the story, you need to watch a player. It’s easy to make progressive passes in a counter attacking team with space to play in. Rice will do nothing vs low blocks
@@Dilllll26 that’s a fair point, though rice would probably play as an anchor in midfield for a big team, as a DM in a midfield 3 or as the more defensively minded midfielder in a 2 (in both shapes he’s proven very effective for England) In which case it’s not really his job to be making those passes.
Bundesliga mid table team Eintracht Frankfurt executed the hard reality check on West Ham United and Declan Rice. The reality on the pitch matters. Not the paid articles in english newspapers.
And no one is saying sow or rode are 100 players
Not sure how Europa league is meant to devalue him? Not like a epl team wins it every year...
@@nephilimdj yeah but if your 150 player your balling out u mean to tell me a player worth that much a top dribbler of the ball and crosser can't create any chances from open play and that's been the case all year in no game against comparable players on good teams has he balled out
@@sherqyanstromain9580 squad is tired as they have barely any subs of quality and unlike most of the top 6, didn't have covid19 match delays. Rice is young and fit, sure he's not worth 150, but can't really judge Europa. Epl teams have entered it 100 odd times since the 70s and won 9 times
@@nephilimdj that's the same squad in January that people were is better than arsenal and spurs the same tired players who top performers in league
Am not judging him on the Europa league and judging on output vs guys like xhaka , horberg , bentceur , party and that's without going into the top 3 teams the only reason his worth even 60ish mill is cause he english , outside of England his not worth 45
British players are crazy overrated when it comes to their pricetags. Jus look at Sancho, Maguire and Grealish, United and City got fleeced for them
Sancho had 17 goals and 17 assists in 31 bundesliga games last season. I'd say 70mil for a youngster with those returns in a major league is a steal.
Although he hasn't lived up to it.
Well yeah, because every club needs English players. If you have a good one, you can sell them for huge amounts because they are a hot commodity that some clubs lterally need.
£105million . £105million is the answer.
We can thank PSG and City for this crazy transfer market. Their acquisitions of Neymar and Mbappe ruined the market, and City spending 100m on Grealish effectively killed the English market.
Unfortunate timing for that “Europa League win,” comment. I wonder if there’s a Tifo curse.
Anybody watched Camavinga against City?
30 Millions European money for his transfer. That is about 210 Millions in English unreal market.
Loooool Madrid fans
Pedri at 17 was better than Camavinga has ever been
20mil for him.
Would be about 500 mil in English market now
How could you base a player off one performance man? He's been absolutely trash in the other games looooo
Camavinga has been extraordinary on most of his games, except for the first two, where he seemed lost a bit. But overall this season he was a monster.
For Pedri of Barcelona, he already proved himself to be among the best.
Don't forgot madrid got Toni kroos only for £30m. One of the best decision they ever made
@@mehullee6384 typical barca fan doesnt even watch the other games and has no clue what their talking about. 🤡clowncelona
Despite being english, he is good. But if West Ham value him 150(let’s say they gonna sell 120)
Barca should value frenkie at least 150 specifically for man united.
he coudve been irish
Frenkie is way overrated. He isn't even worth the 75 mil they paid for him a few years ago
We aren't buying him please
Too overpriced
What do you mean “despite being English”?
Can you do a video on the new chelsea owner, just a quick informative on how he got his wealth and what his plans are for chelsea.
United could really use him, but they need a lot of signings so it makes way more sense to actually scout well, get the best midfielder up to 50 million then strengthen elsewhere.
Trust me, as an Arsenal fan I should know. There are cheaper and better players out there...you lot need to go to leagues out of the UK and buy smart because you've spent way too much money already
He’s a VERY good player and seems to be improving at a rapid rate, but £100 million plus should be reserved for goal scorers OR big difference makers. Rice would improve a lot of teams, but for me that sort of money would have been adequate for prime Messi or Ronaldo. Possibly Mbappe or Haaland now based on current form and age.
so 99mm then
Very good 😂... At passing side ways
@@NubiansNapata 98mm then
@@NubiansNapata mug comment, the guy had some of the best long passing figures in the league and the highest yards carried of all central midfielders
Why English football players have ridiculous price tags?
£50M for being decent and £100M for being English
@@GIBBO4182 nah mate, its all about home-grown status. teams will do whatever to fulfill that requirement and it includes paying for inflated price
@@GIBBO4182 PL uses their own HG rule that's stricter compared to other European leagues
Declan rice is currently the best player in his position in world football, but if we are willing to sell him for 150 mil, thats how much he is worth, its a simple concept, a player is worth however much a club is willing to sell him for
Love the new graphics!
Technically yes and No. As a player no, but as an asset for West Ham for the next 2 years (merchandise, league position and European qualification) YES.
Not a chance
He ain't an asset. He's an employee. The world needs to stop treating employees like a thing of value you can own but as a subject that invest its time and labor in the s*itf*ckery of a business.
Lmao dont make me laugh. I dont see why 80mil wont be enough for west ham to properly replace Rice
@@stnbch3025 football isn’t as black and white as that.
@@1882Stu Stop being so clueless. Useful = person as a utility = the person is considered an object. Persons are only an asset when they actually OWN you their time and labor = an asset needs an owner to be an asset.
I suppose a good way to test the hypothesis is to see which players match his stats and see what they were bought for
They just did. De Jong.
Theres a huge flaw in the video, they keep saying “progressive passes” when he’s on a team that only counter attacks, theres no way he can replicate these stats in a posesion based team
@@isaaccastro4846 unless he's actually good on the ball, which he surprisingly is. It's not just his passes either, it's his progressive carries as well as high defensive values
Never in a million years haha. He's a good player but that's obscene.
I can't believe he plays for my team man
West ham have put that price tag as it would probably take 150m to replace the gap that he would leave at the club, not necessarily what he might actually be worth to other clubs.
The price is obviously skewed to deter anyone from trying to make a lowball offer and hopefully to avoid any interest at all
"The season could yet finish with a Europa League win"
lol
Aged well. I didn't see any fight in that WestHam team.
declan rice didn't produce any world class performance in yesterday's match
It was the ref what did it.
same question to you is Maguire worth 80mill, Grealish worth 100mill, Wan Bissaka worth 50mill? Not a chance this is because the UK media, UK ex players, UK pundits & even UK fans have been adoring with their own local players. These players not even close to the valuation at all because they didnt win anything or achieve any personal accolades. Hence, please tell me why Rice is worth 150mill? Then modric, kross, pirlo and keane should all worth more than 200mill if they are playing in this generation. Therefore, please wake up english players are not worth tat much because UK media and UK ex players said so. OMG no wonder England has won anything since in the 60.
Pogba is the worst signing tho.
Grealish signing looks like a bargain compared to Pogba
England haven’t won anything since the 60s because their are better teams than England, not because they’re overhyped lol. Ousmane dembele was never worth the amount he was sold for but he’s still a World Cup winner. The reason why English players cost soo much is to put other English clubs of buying them.
The irony of hating the English, yet you are literally speaking their language… 🤡
@Ariel P No one chose this to be the world langauge... Would happily speak French over English
The world’s best CDMS: Brozovic, Casemiro, Fabinho, Kante, Kimmich, Rodri. Rice is far far behind these guys.
He's England's best cdm hes young by 5 yrs he will become the best cdm
considering the age of those players uve listed and also the level their clubs are at rice is far far behind them too
Aurélien Tchouameni ?
Rice ain't even the best dm in England kalvin Phillips is way better
@@uwaismohideen7610 Kimmich is 27, Brozovic and Fabinho 29. They are in their prime and will play for many years
I thought this video would be goals and passes
But it was very informative, congratulations
west ham are literally better off accepting 80 or so million and rebuilding with 3-4 players with it than keep 1 player who runs down his contract. Spurs made the same mistake with kane imo, better off selling for 150m last summer and rebuilding with an extra 70 or so transfer budget...
When you look at all the players who cost over £100m you could say only Mbappe has been a success
@@firstnamesurname5376 fish lips
@@firstnamesurname5376 World Cup 😂🤷🏻♂️
@@firstnamesurname5376 I’m being sarcastic, maybe, who knows
Successful in the sense that if wanted they could flip him for double, made a lot of money of marketing since Mbappe is a young world star (fifa cover and all that) and probably also had his fair impact on the club winning league titles and national cups.
The £150m is clearly hyperbole designed to dissuade, but I think that up to £100m is a plausible price if things align (West Ham being ready to play hardball, Rice not especially agitating for the move, another Prem club keen to add him, still a few years on the contract etc.) but that falls into the £60-80m range if one or more of those factors isn't at play.
So it's £100m to Newcastle or Man Utd right now, £80m to another top team, £60m if Rice really wants to go abroad and he's got less than 18 months on his deal.
100m? Rice is good but that's outrageous. English tax as usual with players like Grealish and Maguire going for the prices they went for. What next? Kalvin Philips for 150m?
It'll probably 150m for Newcastle. It's Newcastle tax lol
If Declan is worth 150m then Haaland and Mbappe should be 1bn each
Yup and that's why Barcelona put 1Bn release clauses on Pedri and Araujo
@DMo86 I think you're right 😅
What would the present day value of A fit Brian Robson , Steve Gerard or Frank Lampard be.
Apparently 100m +5m addons. You can stop watching this video now.
I would pay $150m for Declan Rice to defend the mid field in my house.
Plus 150k wages per week, you know right
@@leehyunsong7001 150? You mean 250
'no'
The fact that Grealish got sold for 100m shows how valuations are laughable
@@GIBBO4182 Yeah, but you could say a player is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for him. So someone in City legit thought Grealish was worth that amount lmao. If the realease clause was truly deemed as overpriced and not worth it no one would've bought him
No way. Look at camavinga for 35m. His nationality exaggerates the price.
Englishflation
100+ million also has a financial component to it. At that point the team is betting the can recoup 15-20% of that fee in jersey sales or more butts in seats AKA commercial potential.
Rice is a good, young player but....
neymar... hazard... griezman... bale... pogba... dembele... lukaku.... no player is worth that much and these expensive flops are all in the near "has beens" category....quality players? yes... worth the money paid for them? no... rice is the same ...and I used to play for WH even before lampard's father! hahah
I don't think Bale was a flop, he never become CR7's replacement as we expected, but he still scored some very important goals in his RM career.
Tho he should've left in 2019 like Zidane said.
@@neymarfan4023 I agree to an extent but 'since 2019?" thats 3 years of dross at 600 k euros per week?.. return in investment is zero
no chance bale was a flop. Its only the recent years that people think this. Ask anybody during or before 2018 and bale is one of the few successful big money moves. Crucial RMA player
@@zoeysiddiqi1532 I agree 4 years ago....but that 4 seasons
Is he worth that? No. But West Ham have the right to value him at whatever they want and are in a position to make any team that is prepared to buy him massively overpay.
@@GIBBO4182 I’m a palace fan, we’ve been going through this for about 5 years
Yeah except that’s very short-term…if he doesn’t sign a contract and leaves on a free without winning anything, wouldn’t they have been better off taking some money and reinvesting it in new players to take them up a level?
@@GIBBO4182 do you really think West Ham are going to win any major trophies in that time? Or even build a side capable of winning them?
No I agree with you they don’t HAVE to sell, and I understand your point but I’m just saying sometimes clubs are too keen on hanging onto a player who they’re inevitably going to lose and end up costing themselves in the long run…and potentially costing the player too
@@TheRo33a Realistically no club will pay 150 million for a CDM. West Ham know the max they can get for him is 75 million. I dont think his value will decrease by much if they hold on to him for 2 more years. And in those 2 years, they can use him to try and finish in the top 6.
City, Chelsea and Liverpool dont need Rice right now. Madrid and Barca seem like they are good in that position too. United are the only club who will be able to pay that much but they dont even have Champions League. If I am Rice, I sit tight for another year.
No. Next question
England Market is insane, Brazil/Portugal/Netherlands can produce a better talent for a third of this price
what’s the song in the background
Fabinho is a space shuttle compared to Rice. And he’s playing on a much higher level for years and has won dozens of titles. Liverpool bought the Brazilian Fabinho for a reasonable price of 45 million € from AS Monaco. So literally they bought Fabinho for 1/4 of the price West Ham demands for Rice. Just to put mediocre Rice and titleless mid table team West Ham into the right context.
The stats don't really bear that out though, do they? Rice is comparable in that position in most metrics which matter. Of course, that should mean he's worth £45 million, not £150 million and I think that's probably about right.
And Fabinho even won the Ligue 1 and got to the Champions League semis with Monaco back then. Meanwhile Rice is stuck with a mid table team like West Ham.
Fabinho wasnt a reasonable price. He was a bargain. Liverpool bought him well under his valuation at the time, so your measurement on player value is therefore skewed terribly. AS Monaco were not really in a great negotiating position either, since it was only Liverpool and PSG interested him at the time, and Monaco needed the money, while PSG could not afford him, since they needed Neymar and Mbappe.
@@arielp9442 so why buy big money English player. Why not look for bargain or a decent price .not 100m or 150 m on one player.
@@arielp9442 I actually thought Fabinho was fairly priced. He is a CDM afterall, not a forward. But like the video said, Rice's value is mainly to deter other clubs off. There is no way any CDM should be more than 50 to 60 million, even in today's market.
no.
his fair price is 50 million
but the english tax will see the price rise to 150 million
Could you do a video on what happened with Garry Neville and Valencia?
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