Everyone complains it's the same car from 20 years ago but imagine if Toyota made the new Supra exactly like the old 2jz-gte, no one would say shit. Sometimes if it ain't broke you need to stop adding shit and wait, slowly add, sculpt and take your time until perfection is reached. When you add or change too much at once that's when problems happen. Subaru is smart. Slow and steady wins the race. These Japanese people know wtf their doing.
True to some extent. As an original 2004 STi owner, I hate to see where they are taking that badge. Hell, I bought mine without a radio. It was FASTER than any other model year STi ever built in the US. Give me a car that is meant to race and do without the creature comforts.
Nobody would complain if the EJ had a closed deck iron block, forged internals, strong crank......problem is the EJ is made out of Swiss cheese and will blow. If they made it like the 2jz then yes no one would care if it stayed the same but the reality is it's the same shitty EJ motor since 2004.
How’s your mpg? I have an ‘11 genesis coupe 3.8. Thinking of trading it or selling for a 2015+ wrx. More practical, seems to be same performance and better gas mpg
2:07 That's a super common misconception about the DCCD. It doesn't actually change the front/rear distribution of power, but rather how tight or loose the center diff is, meaning how much wheel spin it allows before kicking in. Thanks for doing a review on this, i've been itching for a good video review of the 2019 STI and this is the first one up so far!
Good review. I had a 2016 STI, loved it. Just picked up a 2019 STI. Not sure what Subaru did, but it just feels smoother. Lighter clutch, Feels even more planted (I thought the 19's would have a hard ride but surprisingly its much more comfortable and handles even better than my 2016. Yes its only an additional 5 horse but again for some reason it feels like its ready to dance more than the previous. Could it be the Billsteins? Revised ECU and 3rd gear? RA exhaust and intake addition? Something is different about this last run and I think Subaru Heavy Industries understated this one. I'm still in the break in period so I have not punch it yet but its feels very potent and planted. The new clutch feel alone makes it easier to driver in traffic and to punch through gears on open road. This last EJ I must say so far is the business.
I though the same went from a 2016 to a 2019 and thought the same. There’s something different with the tuning and the way it drives. The clutch is smoother also.
Not sure if it will clear the calipers. Just curious, any reason you want to go from the stock 19's to 16;s or 15's? Winter set up? Also a follow up since picking up the 2019. If you look on Subaru's website in the spec column they have the STI rated at 14.7 psi. I currently register 18.2 psi and that's stock no maps or bolt on's installed. I think Subaru is holding back on real numbers and leaving it up to owners to put it on a dyno and find out their individual car.
When the new Hybrid STI comes out the same people will complain that it's no longer the old school emotions of the EJ Rumble. Look at the NSX and Supra
For those wondering why 2018+ gotten slower 0-60 times is because of the now all-electrical center differential. Previously, it was a combination of both mechanical and electrical. I read from a reddit post by MotorTrend employee who tested the 2018 WRX STI noticed slower 0-60 because it bogs down the car when doing hard clutch dumps. I could be wrong, but this seems to make sense.
I had a blacked out 2018 BRZ Limited. For this 2019 model i got it in white color which i think looks best other than the wrblue 😍. Love the STI, my first ever last year for the EJ25s
My guess is that Subaru will drop this dated engine for the sti. Subaru already has a new fa24 engine. It is moderately tuned at 260hp for the new ascent. But it could easily get tuned for more top end performance. Fa24 stock tune is for low end torque and fuel efficiency.
Going to be just like the J spec. The awesome marriage of the twin scroll turbo FA with the benefits of the DCCD and beefier transmission along with the Brembos.. Just like all us WRX owners have been wishing for. . Now more displacement netting like 350 horsepower will be key. Bring it Subaru!
Wow, that is really something! :) NIce to see the new version! Huge wing!! Can't believe the acceleration is "only" 5.7 secs. The STI at Steve's POV has beaten a BMW M4! :-O Awesome review! I really had to see this one! Thanks for keeping me up-to-date what is on the market now... ;)
my '17 came with the short shifter option already on it, but to anyone looking to have one made id personally say to skip that one for the cost and get yourself the cobb short shifter. its not only far shorter than the OEM short, it feels better and is about half the cost too.
When the new Hybrid STI comes out the same people will complain that it's no longer the old school emotions of the EJ Rumble. Look at the NSX and Supra
I bought mine early this month. I always seem to have a little bad luck with every new car I buy, and this one was no exception. The Apple Carplay is DOA and does not work for me, however, the Android Auto works flawlessly. (I own both types of phone.) I am still working with Subaru to resolve this issue. The rear suspension started making noises at about 500 miles. The dealer found several loose bolts and solved that issue. Drives great, but the of the three throttle maps (Intelligent, Sport, and Sport Sharp), only the Sport and Sport Sharp are any good. I call the "Intelligent" mode the "No Fun" mode. :)
Quick question: With the minor power upgrade and improved 3rd gear, will this new STI be faster compared to say a Lancer Evolution 4 (from the 90s era)???
Can someone please explain why this only has a 17/22 mpg range? It only has a 300 hp 4-cylinder engine and it seems lighter than a typical muscle car. So why is it not more fuel efficient? I bet not many people care about this since it's a sports car and it's not intended to be a fuel efficient daily driver. But at the same time it has the same fuel mileage as pickup trucks and newer muscle cars with V8s. Just curious.
Hello, I'm thinking of getting a 2019 STI just a question. What's the difference between the trims? Ie sport and sport tech and base. Thank you for any reply.
Man, I'm getting old! I test drove a fully-spec'd 1998 (actually 325hp, as I remember) back in the day and it was under $20K! Cars just keep going up and up and ...
Probably not in 2020 IMHO...the S209 (which still uses the VA chassis and a [slightly beefed up] EJ257) has been announced as a 2020 model. Additionally, Subaru has not been extremely active showing off future WRX prototypes, which I would expect to see for a 2020 launch to generate media buzz. It's possible they could release a 2020 or 2020.5 updated version, but IMHO I think we are probably looking at a 2021 or 2022 MY release (while it seems all but certain the next WRX will move to the SGP and a FA variant, sales figures on WRX/STIs imply that this is likely a relatively low priority at Subaru...)
What up Drew!? Nice review as usual! Wow I would definitely want that low profile wang for myself anyways, around $40K I wouldn’t go for the STI but Camaro SS or Mustang GT for now. Stay Gold dude!!
ricardopr54 don’t get me wrong I’m from Japan and I love Subaru and WRC scene. Love makes Subaru Subaru you know 😉. You might be right Subies got less issues than American muscle. I used to have a ‘01 Impreza 2.5 RS coupe, bought it used. I changed 3 sensors and I forgot some kind of a coil? It was little quicker than Honda Civic because no turbo or anything but quick enough and very fun car!
So exactly the same as my 2018, except for the retune (and slight engine modification) bringing it to 310hp. Wish they would have changed the brake color to somewhat differentiate. Regardless, the car is awesome! I pay more for this car than I do for rent and I regret nothing! So fun!
Actually, the 2019 has a lot of the type RA engine modifications, stronger pistons, etc. Although they only upped 5hp at the crank, the power to the wheels is increased from ~250hp to ~284hp (you can do your own research and confirm for yourself). Paired with the new infotainment that includes Apple car play and android auto, I think it’s a considerably different beast.
H Gp Exactly my 2019 is scheduled for a dyno in 2 weeks and the guys at the shop already did one with consistent runs of around 280-290 whp and surprisingly almost the same wtq. They have also fixed the pesky oil consumption problem the ej has
Zero to 60 is not 5.7. I figure you got that from MotorTrend. Previously Motor Trend tested the 2015 STI at 4.7. There is no way the 2019 is a full second slower 😄. If anything it should be faster. In the same Motor Trend comparison they tested the Golf R the same as STI (5.7) which is also not accurate. Whoever was testing the cars at Motor Trend that day did not drive very well.
My assumption is that they had the settings of SI Drive to Sport or Intelligent, DCCD to auto, and TC on, making a clean launch nearly impossible as an outcome of those settings. The 5.7 figure is right around what I've observed the car runs when configured in such a way.
Price will vary considerably over a 10 year span...depending on condition and model, you could pay anywhere from $10,000 to $35,000. The GDs are extremely desirable, and 2004, 2005, and 2006 are arguably the most desirable years (several changes occurred in 2007). It's not unheard of for GDs with extremely low mileage (under 20-30k), clean titles, a clear PPI, near-flawless OEM condition, and single owners to sell upwards of the pricing of a brand new STI, as they are quite rare and very desirable. Obviously, one can find nicely-conditioned ones for less, and ones in far less optimal condition sell for much less. FWIW, be sure to have a PPI w/ leakdown performed specifically by a Subaru specialist prior to agreeing to purchase, as one can spend as much on repairs as they do on the purchase price of the vehicle if it was treated poorly.
How can Subaru think going backwards as far as 0-60 times by a lot for the newer model be a good thing. Before any fanboys comment, I’m a fan. Almost pulled the trigger on an 18, but I wanted to wait and see what 2020 brings us. As far as I’m concerned they really need to step up. 350/350 at least. Come on guys
Gold Pony So it looks like Car And Driver tried over and over to get the best 0-60 time and the best they got was 5.3. They figured it was an anomaly of the car being so slow. Then you have all the added weight to the car for more luxury. Seems like the STi is going more for consumer based wants than Subie people. With the EVO gone it’s not hard I guess. Hope next years model is fast again/upgraded engine or something.
holy fuck this shit looks amazing ... i think buying my honda si was to prepare me to get for this ... no matter how much research i did and ogs i talked to there is a learning curve for customizing your first car and you can always do stuff better ... my baby recently got hit plus it's picked up some unlucky damage along the way so i think it's time for a fresh start
@@LarryL3g3nd no.its because we as a whole are about 7 percent of their whole sales. Most of subbies are legacies impresas or out backs. We don't matter no matter how loud the community is.
Reviwers elsewhere have mentioned noticeable turbo lag and a punishing ride, ranking at back of the sports car pack. Did you experience either of those?
@69mrbrightside691 what's up bro if your to concern about fuel then throw that option out because this car is fast and will eat so be aware of that. I can feel the lag sometimes compare to the wrx which boost at 2500 rpm. But the car can be rough at some points but man that's what's it's about!!! Wrx owner can say yeah I can put 7 grand and be caught up to you. But who in their mind goes I wanna own a wrx. Na the still is the bread and butter the head hancho! The still rumble is something beautiful and wrx owner will never know. Do I think it's worth 40k no not at all lol. But if you get the 2019 just know you might have the last gas fuel made for the still come 2020 and that my friend is something to hold onto. It's my everyday car and I treat it like it's a lambo lol. But don't listen to the people that always talking about a rod going bad. Just know this it's like putting steroids in your body eventually theres going to be complication. For me I'm under warranty and taking advantage of that baby. handling is marvelous . Understeer not many people know this when you take a hard take ease on the break and let it roll without gasing it and that will control the under steer . You gotta take away to give some. Ya know? Other then that it's a beauty. Overall it's a great brand just know it is pretty hollow so def look into sound dampner . The trunk rattles do to it's hollowness. Follow me and I'm going to put up a 10k miles of owning and my pros and cons about the STI.
@69mrbrightside691 it's a solid car all around. Size wise, speed, handling I do have the short shifter and added the Cobb short shifter throw and man sometimes I miss shift cause it's so close hahhaahahhahha. But dude my kids mom complimented that the invidia r400 sounds great on my car and she dispise my car lol. But she drives it more then she would admit hahahaha. But it is a head Turner and everyone will wanna test you so just let them pass cause it ain't worth the ticket 🤣🤣🤣. Get the red rare color on the streets looks sexy af! I took my spoiler off and went low profile with a gurny flap and people still wanna race!! Geez
@69mrbrightside691 I haven't but I have a buddy who goes to shasta every weekend when it's snowboarding season and he has a wrx and says it handles with no problem so I couldn't imagine an STI which is alot better in the steering category .
No biggie, hp increase to 310 and forged internals. Had to get one 👍. One more thing, it’s the last year of this body style, it has the most HP of all previous years, has the forged pistons, the 19 inch rims...one day people will be looking to buy and the resale will be high.
When the new Hybrid STI comes out the same people will complain that it's no longer the old school emotions of the EJ Rumble. Look at the NSX and Supra
Its sooo irritating that subaru continues to sell the STI at only 300hp. These cars are capable of so much more! Why not make their “limited” edition start at like 425hp having a nice upgraded tune, exhaust and some minor up grades. Pisses me off man.
They are such different cars that it is worth driving both side-by-side IMO. Here's my take - I had a BRZ (86). After someone rear-ended me, I bought an STI. The BRZ has a superior seating position IMO and out of the box it is a stupid fast corner carver that makes the average driver look like a pro. It's a blast to drive. Like the Miata, it is a dominant cone-dodging machine, and can put cars with notably more power to shame in an environment as such. Unlike the STI, it can run E85, and it can get quite reasonable gas mileage. Service intervals can be longer and the engine uses a timing chain instead of a belt and is perfectly happy with a regular SN-RC oil. It's also relatively slow to accelerate, the stock tune results in a pretty notable top-end power dip and mid-end torque dip, and modification paths that don't rapidly get complex/expensive are still very limited compared to the STI (and, to a lesser extent, the FA20DIT WRXs). With the 86, I am not sure what the handling balance will be but IIRC the FRS was biased more towards oversteer than the BRZ - my BRZ had what I considered to be pretty neutral, with minor understeer as it was approaching its limit. It was insanely easy to recover from loss of traction, and a ton of fun to intentionally break traction with. Like just about any RWD car, it will do just fine in snow with the proper winter tires and driving habits. The rear seats are there mainly for moral support. From a pure driving enjoyment perspective, I would argue that this is one of the most gratifying cars ever made (the "Poor Man's Cayman" nickname is very appropriate as the platform was purposefully built exclusively for the pleasure of the drive.) If Subaru actually made the (EJ-20 powered) BRZ STI concept, I believe it would be more fun to drive than many cars costing 6+ figures. The STI is not as tossible as the BRZ, but still a lot of fun to drive (the 86 you are considering has a bit superior rubber over the STI, although both tires are excellent overall.) It is more expensive to operate, accelerates quite a bit faster, and is relatively demanding of the User. While it's acceleration in a straight line is a good bit slower than some other cars on the market, it's anything but slow on roads that are not straight when combined with a competent operator. For example, the STI has a relatively high boost threshold and it isn't the fastest to spool (it uses a single scroll turbo); ultimately, it's power is very much biased to top-end, so, for a driver to really maximize the platform, around the 4500-6200 RPM range is where they want to stay within. There is obviously the added cargo room + seats. Visibility is just outstanding for a car of its size. The clutch and steering are much heavier (it forces me to take a more aggressive position and always use 9+3, which I like.) The Recaro seats are firm, but I like the BRZ's seats a bit more, personally. The STI/WRX is one of the most survivable platforms on the market and drivers routinely walk away from horrific accidents that, in most other cars on the road, would have likely ended very differently. The STI is a spectacular platform to mod (properly) in so many different ways, and in that regard the extremely old engine can also be an asset. While expensive to modify *right*, when done properly, a 550+ AWHP daily driver is completely doable and these engines are capable of stupid amount of power thanks to an aftermarket ocean and extensive knowledge about building them. IMHO, for street and limited track use, they are most fun a bit shy of 400 AWHP with something like a 20g that still spools reasonably quickly - the drivetrain holds up extremely well to this power level. These cars tend to understeer when driven to the limit, and since getting my STI I've spent quite a lot of time learning and working on trail braking and throttle control to transfer more of the load to the front. With snow tires, the STI is arguably one of the best-performing winter vehicles made, and this is the one thing I've used the DCCD for. With where I am at, actual negotiated prices of base-model STIs, at least six months ago, started at about $32,000 (pre-tax/tags), so the car is a much better value than the MSRP may suggest. Both cars can be used for amateur driving events completely stock. If the TRD 86 has the same monoblock brakes my BRZ did, then both the 86 and STI will have an extremely linear brake feel/response which I think makes threshold braking easier, and outstanding fade resistance for an OEM setup...this brake power is also matched by true max performance summer tires (important given all of the braking power in the world means nothing with a crappy all-season.) Heel and toe is easier in a BRZ with slighter wider feet/shoes, where as it is slightly easier in an STI with slightly more narrow feet IMO. Both cars deliver a very mechanical driving experience that, even with the added digital technology, is still quite analog in nature, and if someone is all about "hi-tech," these are probably not the best matches for them...on the other hand, for someone seeking an engaging driving experience, both cars are very hard to beat in their respective price categories. If you are considering a used STI, I suggest considering a new STI instead unless you know a used car's full history and the owner throughout the entire lifespan of the car. While the EJ257 engine in the USDM-spec STIs can be quite reliable with care, the User really must understand certain things about how to treat and maintain it. Otherwise, buying a car with a used turbo EJ you know nothing about is like marrying a prostitute who left the business three days earlier.
I have always loved this car.. the handling, the power, and the general look... but I just can't get behind some of the race-inspired styling. I want seats that are one color, brakes that don't stand out, and make the spoiler optional. Basically, give me the regular WRX with the STI power-plant. Give me an STI with luxury styling, not sport. If that doesn't make sense to you, look at the 911
at 50k subs you should have better audio and pacing. You don't need to throw every spec back to back to back. Take a breath, slow down, stop cutting other audio immediately after one clip ends, and get a better mic for exhaust sounds.
I miss the rival between subaru and mitsubishi
For real
Rip Lancer EVO
Rip
They're bringing it back
A tip : watch series at Flixzone. I've been using them for watching a lot of movies recently.
Bro, take a breathe pls...
Everyone complains it's the same car from 20 years ago but imagine if Toyota made the new Supra exactly like the old 2jz-gte, no one would say shit. Sometimes if it ain't broke you need to stop adding shit and wait, slowly add, sculpt and take your time until perfection is reached. When you add or change too much at once that's when problems happen. Subaru is smart. Slow and steady wins the race. These Japanese people know wtf their doing.
True to some extent. As an original 2004 STi owner, I hate to see where they are taking that badge. Hell, I bought mine without a radio. It was FASTER than any other model year STi ever built in the US. Give me a car that is meant to race and do without the creature comforts.
Nobody would complain if the EJ had a closed deck iron block, forged internals, strong crank......problem is the EJ is made out of Swiss cheese and will blow. If they made it like the 2jz then yes no one would care if it stayed the same but the reality is it's the same shitty EJ motor since 2004.
@@360mmspider I'm just describing what I want... never said it fits the mass population haha.
Dude ...chill... take a breathe...
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He sounds like he's trying to finish the video before he bursts into tears.
He sounds like when you just hit the blunt and try to talk right after.
Hahahahahahahaha
To me, he sounds like Bobcat Goldthwait lol
Hit the blunt? More like honk up a line of blow.
😂😂
I just bought a 19 STI/LTD. I think people will look back at this car and appreciate it for what it is. Especially the Subi rumble.
I have a 2019 wrx now. It's fun to drive. Plenty of get up and go for me. Handles great.
Nice
are ess i own a ‘17 Wrx sti
How’s your mpg? I have an ‘11 genesis coupe 3.8. Thinking of trading it or selling for a 2015+ wrx. More practical, seems to be same performance and better gas mpg
Chase Adams who cares about mpg?
2:07 That's a super common misconception about the DCCD. It doesn't actually change the front/rear distribution of power, but rather how tight or loose the center diff is, meaning how much wheel spin it allows before kicking in. Thanks for doing a review on this, i've been itching for a good video review of the 2019 STI and this is the first one up so far!
5:35 Sound much better than my 2016 stock exhaust. I am really thinking of changing my 2016 for a 2019 model.
Good review. I had a 2016 STI, loved it. Just picked up a 2019 STI. Not sure what Subaru did, but it just feels smoother. Lighter clutch, Feels even more planted (I thought the 19's would have a hard ride but surprisingly its much more comfortable and handles even better than my 2016. Yes its only an additional 5 horse but again for some reason it feels like its ready to dance more than the previous. Could it be the Billsteins? Revised ECU and 3rd gear? RA exhaust and intake addition? Something is different about this last run and I think Subaru Heavy Industries understated this one. I'm still in the break in period so I have not punch it yet but its feels very potent and planted. The new clutch feel alone makes it easier to driver in traffic and to punch through gears on open road. This last EJ I must say so far is the business.
I though the same went from a 2016 to a 2019 and thought the same. There’s something different with the tuning and the way it drives. The clutch is smoother also.
Not sure if it will clear the calipers. Just curious, any reason you want to go from the stock 19's to 16;s or 15's? Winter set up? Also a follow up since picking up the 2019. If you look on Subaru's website in the spec column they have the STI rated at 14.7 psi. I currently register 18.2 psi and that's stock no maps or bolt on's installed. I think Subaru is holding back on real numbers and leaving it up to owners to put it on a dyno and find out their individual car.
Agreed, clutch is lighter also which helps with that smooth engagement.
Good review my ass. I'm pretty sure he was off with some of his stats. Like 5.7 0-60. So they added five to and the car got slower..GTFOOH...stupid.
Nothing significant changed... You’re just driving a new car.
When the new Hybrid STI comes out the same people will complain that it's no longer the old school emotions of the EJ Rumble.
Look at the NSX and Supra
Waiting on my '19 Limited WRX to get here from Japan. Can't wait!
Love how the STI drives!!! Wish I could afford one.
Dream car goals = STI WRB!!!!
naticedog sux for u. I'm on my third one
Mark Spark congrats bro you trying to shit on him or??
Fuck tards want more power making it costs $10000 more ,then less will buy it
my 2017 is almost up on warranty, the fun is about to begin
Man what a beautiful car man
For those wondering why 2018+ gotten slower 0-60 times is because of the now all-electrical center differential. Previously, it was a combination of both mechanical and electrical. I read from a reddit post by MotorTrend employee who tested the 2018 WRX STI noticed slower 0-60 because it bogs down the car when doing hard clutch dumps. I could be wrong, but this seems to make sense.
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Haha thanks! 😁
Was this video recorded in fast forward?!
you sound like a white version of jay z lool
I was thinking the same thing.
I had a blacked out 2018 BRZ Limited. For this 2019 model i got it in white color which i think looks best other than the wrblue 😍. Love the STI, my first ever last year for the EJ25s
My guess is that Subaru will drop this dated engine for the sti. Subaru already has a new fa24 engine. It is moderately tuned at 260hp for the new ascent. But it could easily get tuned for more top end performance. Fa24 stock tune is for low end torque and fuel efficiency.
Im about to get the money for a 2019 sti But fuck i feel like i should wait for 2020
Haha you're too quick relax, perfect review though you know the car so well we love your reviews 💯💯
5:42 my damn heart shook 😭😭
Wasn’t even that loud
The mileage/hp trade off isn’t the best but still love these.
mfmf100 hopefully the 2020 has a new engine, wouldn’t mind if they used the WRX engine or made one just for the STI.
Going to be just like the J spec. The awesome marriage of the twin scroll turbo FA with the benefits of the DCCD and beefier transmission along with the Brembos.. Just like all us WRX owners have been wishing for. . Now more displacement netting like 350 horsepower will be key. Bring it Subaru!
An STi review done by 'Caucasian JayZ'...moving right along!!
I’m picking one up Monday!! I’m so juiced
You happy with it? Looking at one myself
@@Tim.Bombadil dude I love it!!
@@miwuksniper awesome. Pick mine up tomorrow haha.
@@Tim.Bombadil do you like it?
@@miwuksniper loving it!
100% Great Review Drew ! The Best channel on hands down, you rock thank you another rock solid review !
Jose P.
Thanks Jose, appreciate it! 😁
Love your videos man! I just bought a 2016 WRX- used your videos for reference. Do you film at Rocky Ridge?
haha I do actually! And congrats on the new car!
5.7 seconds 0-60 I hope you meant to say 4.7 !
i caught that too. like my car is not slower than a v6 mustang.
Steven Thompson 0-60 5.7 14.1 1/4 mile. Motor Trend
Joshua Wiggins actually it’s 4.6 with 13.1-1/4 unless the 2019 is slower than the 15 which wouldn’t make any sense.
M.S.M they changed the gearing, now need to shift into 3rd to hit 60. Don't know why they did that
Joshua Wiggins i had an 06, an 09, a 15, 2nd never got you to. 60. The new gearing in 2019 is for the 3rd, it should be quicker not slower.
I'm Getting Mine this Week Friday!! Cant Wait. Was a Joy. But I Still love My Nissan Skyline GTR ;)
Wow, that is really something! :) NIce to see the new version! Huge wing!! Can't believe the acceleration is "only" 5.7 secs. The STI at Steve's POV has beaten a BMW M4! :-O Awesome review! I really had to see this one! Thanks for keeping me up-to-date what is on the market now... ;)
haha thanks for stopping by Martin! And, yea that 5.7 was a number from Motor Trend which surprised me as well. Still feels fast tho! :-)
I trust your feeling, this thing GOTTA BE faster than that!! :D
my '17 came with the short shifter option already on it, but to anyone looking to have one made id personally say to skip that one for the cost and get yourself the cobb short shifter. its not only far shorter than the OEM short, it feels better and is about half the cost too.
This guys voice... geez breath brother
Hey drew thanks for the video. I love those sti’s with those boxer engines. My buddy just got a legacy and man that thing feels good to drive.
As always, great review!
Thanks!
I can’t hear anything in that “exhaust clip”
Matteo_ FG4_si , it surprisingly sounds better than the stock exhaust on the 2015 STI. It would be bad ass with a Corsa set up.
I dont think it has unequal length headers, yes its less performance but it dosent have that subie rumble
While it does have UEL headers, the stock exhaust is pretty quiet.
John Smith aight thx i couldnt tell
It probably is because of the stock catalytic converter to reduce the sound to be compliant with international regulations.
So is there some turbo spool improvement? or the usable powerband is still 4k-6k rpm?
Nice review! You sound like Fred Durst rapping!!
LMFAO HE DOES
Great video buddy, keep them coming 👍
Thanks!
Handsome car but, man they need to update the performance. At least make it lighter or something Subaru
AguyNamedHorse there is a rumour that in the new 2020 models there will be an electric motor aswell as gas to help with the torque in the low rpm
Totally agee. Wish corporate would read a Car and Driver and keep up. More HP or lighter!!!!
The original GC8s were much lighter than the current ones.
When the new Hybrid STI comes out the same people will complain that it's no longer the old school emotions of the EJ Rumble.
Look at the NSX and Supra
s209 with 349hp coming to Usa , but will cost 50k+
Is it stock ? The exhaust sounds better than mine and mine is stock too
Such a cool car. Can’t justify $40k on my budget to get one but I likes!!!
Nice video. Amazingly informative, I was thinking about getting one!
4.7 seconds 0 to 60
5.7 not 4.7
I bought mine early this month. I always seem to have a little bad luck with every new car I buy, and this one was no exception.
The Apple Carplay is DOA and does not work for me, however, the Android Auto works flawlessly. (I own both types of phone.) I am still working with Subaru to resolve this issue. The rear suspension started making noises at about 500 miles. The dealer found several loose bolts and solved that issue.
Drives great, but the of the three throttle maps (Intelligent, Sport, and Sport Sharp), only the Sport and Sport Sharp are any good. I call the "Intelligent" mode the "No Fun" mode. :)
gotta like this guy.
I’m about to buy a 2019 sti. But I would love to immediately build it. Any videos you guys know of that has from dealership to cosworth builds?
Quick question:
With the minor power upgrade and improved 3rd gear, will this new STI be faster compared to say a Lancer Evolution 4 (from the 90s era)???
Worth buying a new STI in 2021 before the new model in 2022?
wow what amazing exhaust test!
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No changes except additional 5horses and the downgrade no fog lights.. good job Subaru I’ll see you on 2020
Android auto
They can change the look any century now....... bored to tears with these vehicles that used to be so desirable.
excellent review. one of my fav cars. so much fun
Agreed! For the same price tho I'd probably take a 19' GT! :-)
oh yes, all day long
Can someone please explain why this only has a 17/22 mpg range? It only has a 300 hp 4-cylinder engine and it seems lighter than a typical muscle car. So why is it not more fuel efficient? I bet not many people care about this since it's a sports car and it's not intended to be a fuel efficient daily driver. But at the same time it has the same fuel mileage as pickup trucks and newer muscle cars with V8s. Just curious.
Hello, I'm thinking of getting a 2019 STI just a question. What's the difference between the trims? Ie sport and sport tech and base. Thank you for any reply.
You’re welcome
Man, I'm getting old! I test drove a fully-spec'd 1998 (actually 325hp, as I remember) back in the day and it was under $20K! Cars just keep going up and up and ...
If you think cars cost more please don't look at housing prices.
Hey , do you have any idea if the 2020 Subaru WRX STI is coming in a different generation ( different body type )
Probably not in 2020 IMHO...the S209 (which still uses the VA chassis and a [slightly beefed up] EJ257) has been announced as a 2020 model. Additionally, Subaru has not been extremely active showing off future WRX prototypes, which I would expect to see for a 2020 launch to generate media buzz.
It's possible they could release a 2020 or 2020.5 updated version, but IMHO I think we are probably looking at a 2021 or 2022 MY release (while it seems all but certain the next WRX will move to the SGP and a FA variant, sales figures on WRX/STIs imply that this is likely a relatively low priority at Subaru...)
I really love that rumble but i went with the 2018 wrx and no regrets :-)
2020
Sharpshooter12345 waiting for that 2020 launch edition sti
Yes cant wait to see whats released!!!
dude, your edit on this makes it exhausting. the audience has to "breathe" too
I asked and I received thank you so much
Haha my pleasure! 😁
What up Drew!? Nice review as usual! Wow I would definitely want that low profile wang for myself anyways, around $40K I wouldn’t go for the STI but Camaro SS or Mustang GT for now. Stay Gold dude!!
Haha thanks!
Good luck with the Mustang , you'll be lucky if it doesn't break before hitting 3k miles...
ricardopr54 don’t get me wrong I’m from Japan and I love Subaru and WRC scene. Love makes Subaru Subaru you know 😉. You might be right Subies got less issues than American muscle. I used to have a ‘01 Impreza 2.5 RS coupe, bought it used. I changed 3 sensors and I forgot some kind of a coil? It was little quicker than Honda Civic because no turbo or anything but quick enough and very fun car!
@@shunsato6621 No problem my friend! If you agree going to go American Muscle, go for the Camaro since the new Mustangs are Lemons...👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Different cars , My wrx sti catches up to a supercharger mustang on the corners on a track
Love my 2018, need a 2019 now for dat android auto! 😅
and 5 extra HP!
So exactly the same as my 2018, except for the retune (and slight engine modification) bringing it to 310hp. Wish they would have changed the brake color to somewhat differentiate. Regardless, the car is awesome! I pay more for this car than I do for rent and I regret nothing! So fun!
isetfire13 More than rent? Is your rent that cheap ? Which state do you live?
Actually, the 2019 has a lot of the type RA engine modifications, stronger pistons, etc. Although they only upped 5hp at the crank, the power to the wheels is increased from ~250hp to ~284hp (you can do your own research and confirm for yourself). Paired with the new infotainment that includes Apple car play and android auto, I think it’s a considerably different beast.
H Gp Exactly my 2019 is scheduled for a dyno in 2 weeks and the guys at the shop already did one with consistent runs of around 280-290 whp and surprisingly almost the same wtq. They have also fixed the pesky oil consumption problem the ej has
What happened to the Cosworth Impreza STI that reached 0-60mph in 3.7 seconds?
Zero to 60 is not 5.7. I figure you got that from MotorTrend. Previously Motor Trend tested the 2015 STI at 4.7. There is no way the 2019 is a full second slower 😄. If anything it should be faster. In the same Motor Trend comparison they tested the Golf R the same as STI (5.7) which is also not accurate. Whoever was testing the cars at Motor Trend that day did not drive very well.
My assumption is that they had the settings of SI Drive to Sport or Intelligent, DCCD to auto, and TC on, making a clean launch nearly impossible as an outcome of those settings. The 5.7 figure is right around what I've observed the car runs when configured in such a way.
Awesome car and nice presentation bro
Thanks, appreciate it!
Hey guys,I hope to get one 04-14 sti in Arizona,what about price should be?
Price will vary considerably over a 10 year span...depending on condition and model, you could pay anywhere from $10,000 to $35,000. The GDs are extremely desirable, and 2004, 2005, and 2006 are arguably the most desirable years (several changes occurred in 2007). It's not unheard of for GDs with extremely low mileage (under 20-30k), clean titles, a clear PPI, near-flawless OEM condition, and single owners to sell upwards of the pricing of a brand new STI, as they are quite rare and very desirable. Obviously, one can find nicely-conditioned ones for less, and ones in far less optimal condition sell for much less. FWIW, be sure to have a PPI w/ leakdown performed specifically by a Subaru specialist prior to agreeing to purchase, as one can spend as much on repairs as they do on the purchase price of the vehicle if it was treated poorly.
Gave up my 2017 sti, hopefully new kick as sti by 2020?
Sounds like a beast
I really miss when wrx have true rival (evo)
IM BUYING THIS CAR!!
Tristan Muchwano same
Lucky you
Those are awesome. Love seeing you review them
Thanks!
How can Subaru think going backwards as far as 0-60 times by a lot for the newer model be a good thing. Before any fanboys comment, I’m a fan. Almost pulled the trigger on an 18, but I wanted to wait and see what 2020 brings us. As far as I’m concerned they really need to step up. 350/350 at least. Come on guys
bmwmdude the 0-60 can be a little quicker if you're willing to launch it real hard but you're also risking transmission damage
0-60 in 5.7 seconds?! There’s no way that’s right. That’s slow as shit for these beasts. Must be 4.7*
Motor Trend's number for their test on the 2018 STI
Gold Pony So it looks like Car And Driver tried over and over to get the best 0-60 time and the best they got was 5.3. They figured it was an anomaly of the car being so slow.
Then you have all the added weight to the car for more luxury. Seems like the STi is going more for consumer based wants than Subie people. With the EVO gone it’s not hard I guess. Hope next years model is fast again/upgraded engine or something.
Damn.... wish you did POV drives for the new STI and WRX. There’s none out there for the subies.
I probably should have... Maybe next year I will 👍
holy fuck this shit looks amazing ... i think buying my honda si was to prepare me to get for this ... no matter how much research i did and ogs i talked to there is a learning curve for customizing your first car and you can always do stuff better ... my baby recently got hit plus it's picked up some unlucky damage along the way so i think it's time for a fresh start
I waiting for the revamp to come out if i am not impressed i am probably just going to find me a clean used one. 2nd gen.
Eventually, many years down the road, you will be known as Old Pony.
haha very true! :-)
This car is so beautiful. It's got pretty good power and awesome awd but the price just kills it. Im torn between this and a new mustang gt.
I'll keep my 2014 hatchback and wait till they come out with a new hatch.
I have a 2018 sti which does not come with that head unit. I really want that one anybody know how much it will cost?
2o years with 300hp, good grief.
the ford focus beat them at it, but people keep buying it.
Dkoy Koala yup and no more ford focus even they beat stis coz people love sti lol
It's because if they up the horsepower they have to up the price which they don't want to do, it's suppose to be a cheap sports car
lmao they are uping the price without even adding horsepower now, look at the price
@@LarryL3g3nd no.its because we as a whole are about 7 percent of their whole sales. Most of subbies are legacies impresas or out backs. We don't matter no matter how loud the community is.
Correction: 0-60 mile in 4.6 seconds as per Subaru. It has been validated by Motor Tend - Ignition 2015 WRX STI test.
Motor Trend said 4.6 for 2015 correct... 2018 they said 5.6
Correct. Haven't seen 0-60 for the 2019, but would think it's quicker than the 2018.
Reviwers elsewhere have mentioned noticeable turbo lag and a punishing ride, ranking at back of the sports car pack. Did you experience either of those?
digitalfutur you want my opinion after owning for almost a year.
@69mrbrightside691 what's up bro if your to concern about fuel then throw that option out because this car is fast and will eat so be aware of that. I can feel the lag sometimes compare to the wrx which boost at 2500 rpm. But the car can be rough at some points but man that's what's it's about!!! Wrx owner can say yeah I can put 7 grand and be caught up to you. But who in their mind goes I wanna own a wrx. Na the still is the bread and butter the head hancho! The still rumble is something beautiful and wrx owner will never know. Do I think it's worth 40k no not at all lol. But if you get the 2019 just know you might have the last gas fuel made for the still come 2020 and that my friend is something to hold onto. It's my everyday car and I treat it like it's a lambo lol. But don't listen to the people that always talking about a rod going bad. Just know this it's like putting steroids in your body eventually theres going to be complication. For me I'm under warranty and taking advantage of that baby. handling is marvelous . Understeer not many people know this when you take a hard take ease on the break and let it roll without gasing it and that will control the under steer . You gotta take away to give some. Ya know? Other then that it's a beauty. Overall it's a great brand just know it is pretty hollow so def look into sound dampner . The trunk rattles do to it's hollowness. Follow me and I'm going to put up a 10k miles of owning and my pros and cons about the STI.
@69mrbrightside691 it's a solid car all around. Size wise, speed, handling I do have the short shifter and added the Cobb short shifter throw and man sometimes I miss shift cause it's so close hahhaahahhahha. But dude my kids mom complimented that the invidia r400 sounds great on my car and she dispise my car lol. But she drives it more then she would admit hahahaha. But it is a head Turner and everyone will wanna test you so just let them pass cause it ain't worth the ticket 🤣🤣🤣. Get the red rare color on the streets looks sexy af! I took my spoiler off and went low profile with a gurny flap and people still wanna race!! Geez
@69mrbrightside691 forgot I got a friend who's 6'5 and says it's comfortable to sit in which is a plus!
@69mrbrightside691 I haven't but I have a buddy who goes to shasta every weekend when it's snowboarding season and he has a wrx and says it handles with no problem so I couldn't imagine an STI which is alot better in the steering category .
York?! Wtf okay. Like this man was down to road from my house and York is like nowhere on the map 😂😂
No biggie, hp increase to 310 and forged internals. Had to get one 👍. One more thing, it’s the last year of this body style, it has the most HP of all previous years, has the forged pistons, the 19 inch rims...one day people will be looking to buy and the resale will be high.
When the new Hybrid STI comes out the same people will complain that it's no longer the old school emotions of the EJ Rumble.
Look at the NSX and Supra
exactly what I'm thinking, the 2019 will be very sought after
Okay not that bad, but u would like ecu tune it to pull some more hp
I wish they have a hatch back version of this
Its sooo irritating that subaru continues to sell the STI at only 300hp. These cars are capable of so much more! Why not make their “limited” edition start at like 425hp having a nice upgraded tune, exhaust and some minor up grades. Pisses me off man.
Great video but delivery reminds me of the pre-flight safety speech given by flight attendants.
Lol that's funny! 😆
The only thing I dont like is that it doesnt have that old WRX gurgle/roar.
Should I get this or a fully loaded gt86 trd
They are such different cars that it is worth driving both side-by-side IMO. Here's my take - I had a BRZ (86). After someone rear-ended me, I bought an STI. The BRZ has a superior seating position IMO and out of the box it is a stupid fast corner carver that makes the average driver look like a pro. It's a blast to drive. Like the Miata, it is a dominant cone-dodging machine, and can put cars with notably more power to shame in an environment as such. Unlike the STI, it can run E85, and it can get quite reasonable gas mileage. Service intervals can be longer and the engine uses a timing chain instead of a belt and is perfectly happy with a regular SN-RC oil. It's also relatively slow to accelerate, the stock tune results in a pretty notable top-end power dip and mid-end torque dip, and modification paths that don't rapidly get complex/expensive are still very limited compared to the STI (and, to a lesser extent, the FA20DIT WRXs). With the 86, I am not sure what the handling balance will be but IIRC the FRS was biased more towards oversteer than the BRZ - my BRZ had what I considered to be pretty neutral, with minor understeer as it was approaching its limit. It was insanely easy to recover from loss of traction, and a ton of fun to intentionally break traction with. Like just about any RWD car, it will do just fine in snow with the proper winter tires and driving habits. The rear seats are there mainly for moral support. From a pure driving enjoyment perspective, I would argue that this is one of the most gratifying cars ever made (the "Poor Man's Cayman" nickname is very appropriate as the platform was purposefully built exclusively for the pleasure of the drive.) If Subaru actually made the (EJ-20 powered) BRZ STI concept, I believe it would be more fun to drive than many cars costing 6+ figures.
The STI is not as tossible as the BRZ, but still a lot of fun to drive (the 86 you are considering has a bit superior rubber over the STI, although both tires are excellent overall.) It is more expensive to operate, accelerates quite a bit faster, and is relatively demanding of the User. While it's acceleration in a straight line is a good bit slower than some other cars on the market, it's anything but slow on roads that are not straight when combined with a competent operator. For example, the STI has a relatively high boost threshold and it isn't the fastest to spool (it uses a single scroll turbo); ultimately, it's power is very much biased to top-end, so, for a driver to really maximize the platform, around the 4500-6200 RPM range is where they want to stay within. There is obviously the added cargo room + seats. Visibility is just outstanding for a car of its size. The clutch and steering are much heavier (it forces me to take a more aggressive position and always use 9+3, which I like.) The Recaro seats are firm, but I like the BRZ's seats a bit more, personally. The STI/WRX is one of the most survivable platforms on the market and drivers routinely walk away from horrific accidents that, in most other cars on the road, would have likely ended very differently. The STI is a spectacular platform to mod (properly) in so many different ways, and in that regard the extremely old engine can also be an asset. While expensive to modify *right*, when done properly, a 550+ AWHP daily driver is completely doable and these engines are capable of stupid amount of power thanks to an aftermarket ocean and extensive knowledge about building them. IMHO, for street and limited track use, they are most fun a bit shy of 400 AWHP with something like a 20g that still spools reasonably quickly - the drivetrain holds up extremely well to this power level. These cars tend to understeer when driven to the limit, and since getting my STI I've spent quite a lot of time learning and working on trail braking and throttle control to transfer more of the load to the front. With snow tires, the STI is arguably one of the best-performing winter vehicles made, and this is the one thing I've used the DCCD for. With where I am at, actual negotiated prices of base-model STIs, at least six months ago, started at about $32,000 (pre-tax/tags), so the car is a much better value than the MSRP may suggest.
Both cars can be used for amateur driving events completely stock. If the TRD 86 has the same monoblock brakes my BRZ did, then both the 86 and STI will have an extremely linear brake feel/response which I think makes threshold braking easier, and outstanding fade resistance for an OEM setup...this brake power is also matched by true max performance summer tires (important given all of the braking power in the world means nothing with a crappy all-season.) Heel and toe is easier in a BRZ with slighter wider feet/shoes, where as it is slightly easier in an STI with slightly more narrow feet IMO. Both cars deliver a very mechanical driving experience that, even with the added digital technology, is still quite analog in nature, and if someone is all about "hi-tech," these are probably not the best matches for them...on the other hand, for someone seeking an engaging driving experience, both cars are very hard to beat in their respective price categories.
If you are considering a used STI, I suggest considering a new STI instead unless you know a used car's full history and the owner throughout the entire lifespan of the car. While the EJ257 engine in the USDM-spec STIs can be quite reliable with care, the User really must understand certain things about how to treat and maintain it. Otherwise, buying a car with a used turbo EJ you know nothing about is like marrying a prostitute who left the business three days earlier.
Would kill to take one of these and go rallying
I know right!
or perhaps go on a downhill trip
me... >:)
Just waiting for 2020
I have always loved this car.. the handling, the power, and the general look... but I just can't get behind some of the race-inspired styling. I want seats that are one color, brakes that don't stand out, and make the spoiler optional. Basically, give me the regular WRX with the STI power-plant. Give me an STI with luxury styling, not sport. If that doesn't make sense to you, look at the 911
I actually prefer the 18 model with the slightly smaller alloys. Side on, I just prefer the way it sits.
The 18 had 19"wheels, the 17 is the one with the 18s
What's the digital reading on the rear view mirror for?
the compass?
at 50k subs you should have better audio and pacing. You don't need to throw every spec back to back to back. Take a breath, slow down, stop cutting other audio immediately after one clip ends, and get a better mic for exhaust sounds.
says the guy with 4 subs
Is the rumble back?