I came back to watch this one again. I have to tell you (I think I did on another video) how much this opened my eyes to using the cover that is there already. Now it REALLY pops out!! I have been out scouting and making plans on new things to try this fall. I have some cameras going up, but after small game is done they'll all be going up. I am giving in to trying a saddle LOL
Glad the video helped! Its always a great idea to try many different things to find what works best for you. Saddles are amazing for some people and not so much for others. You will be able to decide for yourself now and see what you like best.
From a saddle, if you have your feet close to the truck leaning out on your tether, do you think deer would think you could be a branch coming out making a Y?
Personally I do not. I say that because my own experience has shows that if I keep my body tight to the tree I don't get busted ever. If I ha e any light between me and the tree making my upper body float in air next to the tree I seem to get busted on some level more often
Thanks a bunch. i appreciate the perspective and different scenarios for different trees. very helpful. Ive always struggled looking at what tree to put up my ladderstand./ treestand. great vid jason
Great video! While not always 100% applicable to every hunter in every situation, you always seem to drop a bit of knowledge and experience that can be helpful to us all. I really appreciate the time and effort it takes to put together these videos and how willing you are to share it with people like me. Thank you Sir!
Love this video. “Don’t climb for height, climb to cover.” Great advice. So many emphasize how highly they can get without thinking do they really need to be 25 feet in the air. Great stuff!!
This is one of the most informative videos on hunting I’ve seen .love the footage of different trees and what to look for you took the guess work out. Great channel.
Great comments on pulling a tree in to help, I never thought of that. I’ve been using LW and saddles, I struggle with the saddles for a couple reasons, I find I move more, and, I switched to lh a few hrs back, and find at certain angles, I have issues pulling the bow back, On a LW, no issues. I like the light weight aspect of a saddle, but the LW hangs in more trees in the marsh’s that I hunt.
Yeah, this has sold me. I’ve seen a few guys say they only carry two sticks and I kind of just chaulked it up to the fact they were going so deep into public they wanted a lighter set up. After shooting two bucks this year, only recovering one (one lung I think), and getting busted more then I should have (It would frustrate me as I would think no way they can smell me). I now realize it’s because I was prob too high (4 sticks with aiders), silloetting myself in the sky. Good content. Good channel. Thanks.
good points...climbing high doesnt do much for hiding like you said and it hurts your close range shots worse than the lack of cover. i'd rather have to good close shot.
This is what I struggle with. It makes total sense climbing to cover even if it's not very high. I'll be keeping this in mind while I scout public land here in Michigan this winter
Another advantage to not climbing high is that the percentage of a double lung shot greatly increases which means recovery rate increases too. Great video! Thank you!
Great video. I have a question since I'm always looking for bedding since starting your course. Here in NJ I hunt a lot of areas with thick thorny bushes. Do deer hide or bed in that stuff? I don't know if the thorns bother them. I have a hard time finding bedding areas since the vegetation has died.
I have seen deer rubbing on "trees" with serious amounts of thorns. I have no idea the name.. It MIGHT be called "Hercules Club". If I could post a picture I would. Anyway, I see the buck rubs on them like crazy. Deer are used to stuff like that. If you won't go in there, they will.
Sorry for the delayed response. Just got home. Yep deer will bed in that stuff and the thorns dont bother them at all. They love the security and will often bed just inside the edges of it.
I think the only time a hunter should be 25-30 plus feet is in a climber where there is no cover. I don’t use a climber though because of limit tree selection. Honestly, climbing that high just makes it harder in my opinion. The extreme shot angle is a big disadvantage and leads to just getting one lung instead of both. I don’t get why people want to be that high other then the view. I love getting into cover, not only does it hide me but it gives me a sense of security for some reason lol. Love your videos, keep up the good work!
I wouldn’t have thought of hanging a stand so low but you sold me. I’ve seen enough of your videos to know you actually kill critters. I was taught to get your climber (supposedly as well as your scent) up 20, or even better, 25 ft feet up if you can, to get out of the deer’s field of vision. I seem to remember Chuck Adams saying something in an article about not being afraid of steep downward angled shots because a deer’s chest is wider than what we seem to think, anyhow. An upside to your treestand methodology that maybe I missed is that you don’t need an extendable pruning pole for cutting shooting lanes. Also, hunting 10 ft. off the ground is safer than 20 ft. While we should always use a safety harness, the more sticks and higher you go, the more chances you have of an accident. My buddy has been using a saddle a couple of years now and his only complaint is he’s getting picked off more. He seems to think it’s mostly because he’s not tight to the tree. I mention this because I wonder how and to what extent saddle hunters can even use this hunting in low limbs technique. So many like John Eberheart would rather hang out as high as they can get. Again, you sold me,, so thanks for the video!
I spent a whole season between 20-25 feet about 15 years ago thinking higher was better. I one lung hit 4 deer that year. Was able to recover 3 of them do to snow and 2 of those deer lived for over 24 hours before dieing or letting me get close enough to shoot them again. Swore I would never go that high ever again. Now spend most of my time between 10 and 18 feet depending on cover. Yep I bet it works good for saddle guys as long as they can find ways to shoot thru or over the nest. I agree with your buddy about saddle hunters can get busted more because they are out away from the tree floating. But I bet after a few sets and ways to use cover right they would never jave to worry about getting busted again.
Depends what’s part of the country you hunt. Climbers have their place, they are my favorite to use when applicable. I live in Missouri and hunt in oak forests, lots of straight trees to climb
@@TheEagleye92 yep climbers work great for many people and in many places. They are tough for trad guys as our range is so limited. Moving 10 yards to a straight tree cuts out shooting distance in half. But I see why so many compound guys love them
@@SamkoTradBow Where I am in GA (mtns) you either have straight trees or saplings. Or so it seems.. And myself personally, I am almost limited to using climbers most of the time due to a physical (heart) limitation. I have to bring my stands out ahead of time and hide them in spots (general areas) ahead of time. If it's really hard, I bring one section at a time. Yeah, it sucks but it's my own damned fault.. Anyway, the oak leaves/branches gave me an idea. I put them on my stand as cover. I'll figure it out :) And.... I got a pine or two I can hang a hang on in. Thanks for the video and info.. And making me think.
This man speaks the truth!
Thank you. Greatly appreciated and glad you enjoyed it
Glad I watched this will impact my hunting going forward. Thanks for the great advice.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for commenting.
I came back to watch this one again. I have to tell you (I think I did on another video) how much this opened my eyes to using the cover that is there already. Now it REALLY pops out!! I have been out scouting and making plans on new things to try this fall. I have some cameras going up, but after small game is done they'll all be going up.
I am giving in to trying a saddle LOL
Glad the video helped! Its always a great idea to try many different things to find what works best for you. Saddles are amazing for some people and not so much for others. You will be able to decide for yourself now and see what you like best.
You have the most informative videos! Thanks for your efforts!
Thank you
Great content!!
Thank you
Do a video on how you cinch those pines up to you w you lineman’s belt.
If I have to do it again I will do a video on it.
From a saddle, if you have your feet close to the truck leaning out on your tether, do you think deer would think you could be a branch coming out making a Y?
Personally I do not. I say that because my own experience has shows that if I keep my body tight to the tree I don't get busted ever. If I ha e any light between me and the tree making my upper body float in air next to the tree I seem to get busted on some level more often
Thanks a bunch. i appreciate the perspective and different scenarios for different trees. very helpful. Ive always struggled looking at what tree to put up my ladderstand./ treestand. great vid jason
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Thanks for giving me a new way to look at height and cover, like the pocket thought. I know I sometimes climb past the good cover.
Glad you enjoyed it
I set up exactly the same way you do, up above and nestled into the limbs and branches whenever possible. I only used 3 blade fixed broadheads also.
yep love getting into the nest in the trees.
Got me thinking, that's for sure.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Great video! While not always 100% applicable to every hunter in every situation, you always seem to drop a bit of knowledge and experience that can be helpful to us all. I really appreciate the time and effort it takes to put together these videos and how willing you are to share it with people like me. Thank you Sir!
Thanks. Glad you like it.
Love this video. “Don’t climb for height, climb to cover.” Great advice. So many emphasize how highly they can get without thinking do they really need to be 25 feet in the air. Great stuff!!
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it
This is one of the most informative videos on hunting I’ve seen .love the footage of different trees and what to look for you took the guess work out. Great channel.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks Jason great content, I always learn and see things from a different perspective with your videos. Can’t wait to try it out.
Thanks! Glad you are liking the vids!
Great comments on pulling a tree in to help, I never thought of that. I’ve been using LW and saddles, I struggle with the saddles for a couple reasons, I find I move more, and, I switched to lh a few hrs back, and find at certain angles, I have issues pulling the bow back, On a LW, no issues. I like the light weight aspect of a saddle, but the LW hangs in more trees in the marsh’s that I hunt.
Yep the tie a tree close method works excellent. I have been hearing that from a few saddle guys about being harder to hunt the marsh trees.
Yeah, this has sold me. I’ve seen a few guys say they only carry two sticks and I kind of just chaulked it up to the fact they were going so deep into public they wanted a lighter set up. After shooting two bucks this year, only recovering one (one lung I think), and getting busted more then I should have (It would frustrate me as I would think no way they can smell me). I now realize it’s because I was prob too high (4 sticks with aiders), silloetting myself in the sky. Good content. Good channel. Thanks.
Yep the cover is more important than the height. Especially on public where deer are pressured and looking for people in trees.
I have to admit I never considered the climb to cover point, damn good stuff Jason. Thank you once again!
Thank you
good points...climbing high doesnt do much for hiding like you said and it hurts your close range shots worse than the lack of cover. i'd rather have to good close shot.
Agree 100%
This is what I struggle with. It makes total sense climbing to cover even if it's not very high. I'll be keeping this in mind while I scout public land here in Michigan this winter
Yep all you need to do is get to cover.
Another advantage to not climbing high is that the percentage of a double lung shot greatly increases which means recovery rate increases too. Great video! Thank you!
Agree 100%
Has to be a Veteran. Guessing Semper Fi type.
No. Wish I would of enlisted. But did not
@@SamkoTradBow you know all the tricks and excellent at gear picks. Quite the outdoorsman. A+
@@mrmichaeltscott thank you. Greatly appreciated
What do u think about the APEX PREDATOR /,FORK STANDS ?
Never used or heard of them
@@SamkoTradBow google apex predator stands !
Great video. I have a question since I'm always looking for bedding since starting your course. Here in NJ I hunt a lot of areas with thick thorny bushes. Do deer hide or bed in that stuff? I don't know if the thorns bother them. I have a hard time finding bedding areas since the vegetation has died.
I have seen deer rubbing on "trees" with serious amounts of thorns. I have no idea the name.. It MIGHT be called "Hercules Club". If I could post a picture I would. Anyway, I see the buck rubs on them like crazy. Deer are used to stuff like that. If you won't go in there, they will.
Sorry for the delayed response. Just got home. Yep deer will bed in that stuff and the thorns dont bother them at all. They love the security and will often bed just inside the edges of it.
I think most hunters like to go higher just for the chance of seeing more deer, even though they may be out of range.
Excellent content. 👍
You are very right. Lotos of advantages to being up high as well as some major shot angle disadvantages for trad guys.
I think the only time a hunter should be 25-30 plus feet is in a climber where there is no cover. I don’t use a climber though because of limit tree selection. Honestly, climbing that high just makes it harder in my opinion. The extreme shot angle is a big disadvantage and leads to just getting one lung instead of both. I don’t get why people want to be that high other then the view. I love getting into cover, not only does it hide me but it gives me a sense of security for some reason lol. Love your videos, keep up the good work!
Very well said and agree 100%!
I wouldn’t have thought of hanging a stand so low but you sold me. I’ve seen enough of your videos to know you actually kill critters. I was taught to get your climber (supposedly as well as your scent) up 20, or even better, 25 ft feet up if you can, to get out of the deer’s field of vision. I seem to remember Chuck Adams saying something in an article about not being afraid of steep downward angled shots because a deer’s chest is wider than what we seem to think, anyhow. An upside to your treestand methodology that maybe I missed is that you don’t need an extendable pruning pole for cutting shooting lanes. Also, hunting 10 ft. off the ground is safer than 20 ft. While we should always use a safety harness, the more sticks and higher you go, the more chances you have of an accident. My buddy has been using a saddle a couple of years now and his only complaint is he’s getting picked off more. He seems to think it’s mostly because he’s not tight to the tree. I mention this because I wonder how and to what extent saddle hunters can even use this hunting in low limbs technique. So many like John Eberheart would rather hang out as high as they can get. Again, you sold me,, so thanks for the video!
I spent a whole season between 20-25 feet about 15 years ago thinking higher was better. I one lung hit 4 deer that year. Was able to recover 3 of them do to snow and 2 of those deer lived for over 24 hours before dieing or letting me get close enough to shoot them again. Swore I would never go that high ever again. Now spend most of my time between 10 and 18 feet depending on cover.
Yep I bet it works good for saddle guys as long as they can find ways to shoot thru or over the nest. I agree with your buddy about saddle hunters can get busted more because they are out away from the tree floating. But I bet after a few sets and ways to use cover right they would never jave to worry about getting busted again.
@@SamkoTradBow thanks for the reply and relating your experience! I’m definitely sharing this video with my buddy.
I once heard " don't hunt trees, hunt deer" most guys spend to much time hunting trees.....its balancing act
Yep would rather be in a horrible tree in the right place that a great tree in the wrong place. Thats why I use a lonewolf.
@@SamkoTradBow and this video is probably why I'm buying one very soon... thanks
@@1alexcody glad yoy liked the video. You will love a mobile stand set up.
Climbing stands won't work.
I dont use a climber so not sure how you guys like to set them up.
Depends what’s part of the country you hunt. Climbers have their place, they are my favorite to use when applicable.
I live in Missouri and hunt in oak forests, lots of straight trees to climb
@@TheEagleye92 yep climbers work great for many people and in many places. They are tough for trad guys as our range is so limited. Moving 10 yards to a straight tree cuts out shooting distance in half. But I see why so many compound guys love them
@@SamkoTradBow Where I am in GA (mtns) you either have straight trees or saplings. Or so it seems.. And myself personally, I am almost limited to using climbers most of the time due to a physical (heart) limitation. I have to bring my stands out ahead of time and hide them in spots (general areas) ahead of time. If it's really hard, I bring one section at a time. Yeah, it sucks but it's my own damned fault.. Anyway, the oak leaves/branches gave me an idea. I put them on my stand as cover. I'll figure it out :) And.... I got a pine or two I can hang a hang on in. Thanks for the video and info.. And making me think.
@@pensnut08 sounds like you have a good game plan set! Love it.
You sit in dead trees? That surprises me. I do not
I do not. It was just a good reference for the cover around it. Bit I try hard to not have to sit in a dead tree.