Awesome job explaining everything here! I had looked at going IS38 but the stories of blown turbos has got me questioning the next move. My power goals are actually pretty low(300 wheel) and my IS20 may be just fine for that!
I'm pushing 322whp with an EQT stage 2 tune, intake, downpipe, and intercooler on the stock is20 on 93 pump gas. The is20 is plenty capable, especially if you tune for ethanol.
Jake I wanna have your baby wooooooo Good info on the turbo’s. Acadia was stuck between both of those turbo options too. He linked this video. Good stuff thanks!
The stock IS20 in the '15 GTI Autobahn I bought 7 months ago as a one-owner 53K mile car is apparently at deaths door at 54K. Car came running Unitronic Stage 2 which was installed (w catted DP) at around 40K. First of all, pretty (VERY) shocked that it would go at such low mileage. Secondly, naturally since it needs replacing anyway am thinking of going IS38 or something like Vortex (heard bad things re: EQT...Garrett PowerMax?) but one thing I'm not doing is putting another POS OEM IS20...what a joke. I'll check your tuning vid but it seems like MK7 people either hate or love Unitronic. I loved driving their Stage 2 in mostly city traffic and their customer service is great....maybe it's a case of I don't know what I'm missing with other tunes...?? TY cheers dude!
I’d recommend a OEM is38 from FCP (lifetime warranty FTW) if you’re happy with the power it makes now, although with any upgraded turbo should be paired with a upgraded intercooler (if you don’t have one already). 2015 cars had early revision turbo and other engine parts, so a fresh current revision is38 should last 100,000+ miles worry free with proper maintenance.
Man it’s been like almost a year since u released this video. And every time my GTI friends are stuck between is38 and tpc20/vortex. I send em this link lmao.
@@BeAllEndAll-i3e no thanks. I know people who had multiple tpc20’s go on them. And even after tpc finally made design changes to the tpc20, folks are still blowing their turbos. And the way they did Jim (may his soul rest in peace) was so damn dirty it truly and personally angered me. No company should treat a senior in such a disgusting heinous way! Also, I’m from Subaru world. Had nothing but Subbies before I got my Vw. And even we knew to stay away from tpc’s garbage. It’s terribly overpriced considering how crap their build quality is. And that is an extremely well known fact. Do yourself a favor. Get the tpc20 out of your engine, get a vortex. Or dtr. Or literally anything. ✌🏽
@@SheekTresSesenta I'm not sure of the internal politics around tpc but I ran a tpc20 with no issues . It always delivered good power and tbh the build quality is pretty good . But hey that's just me .
@@BeAllEndAll-i3e "but hey that's just me" Yup. Must definitely be just you I'm glad it worked out for u. But there's a lot of value in literally spending 300-500$ less and buying a turbo that is actually built well and known to be reliable. Buying a turbo from tpc is akin to setting money on fire.
Really want to hear your take on tunes currently on the market. I'm in the hunt to go stage 2 is20 91oct and don't know which route to go yet but eventually wanna end up is38 in years to come. Killing it with these videos 🔥🔥
IF you can add an e30 tune to your stage 2 I think you will be happy with that. Best would be to run a is20 with a HPFP running full e85, you will be at is38 levels and less lag. I would skip the is38 entirely and get a hybrid if your thinking of upgrading.
@GTIJake / @Baun Performance There are definitely a number of turbos on the market, most of which you discussed that the common users go with. Do you have any input as to the HPA OEM +IS38? Since they reportedly do a few improvements to the anti-surge and wastegate? If you have any input, would be appreciated.
From what I understand it’s more expensive than EQT, so given their awesome track record I wouldn’t venture off into other similar offerings like HPA. As far as bigger & badder options with a larger budget PAG Parts has a Garret GTX based “TRX” turbo which should shatter all records once it’s out in the wild. Granted is38 vs EQT vortex is a far cry from that breed of turbo so it’ll be its own video once it’s fully released
Hello UA-cam car community I currently have a 2016 mk7 gti stage 2 with the following parts that I remember -JH Motorsport downpipe -Forge Motorsport Turbo Blanket -APR Turbo inlet pipe -APR Full Carbon Intake -APR Oil Catch Can -DKM Stage 2 clutch -Urotuning shift knob -VW/AUDI oem euro spec shifter (give about 20% shorter shifting) -Larger turbo charge pipe, hoses -BC coilover BR series -Enkei RPF1 with Federal RS-R -Rtheorymotorsports fender vents -Eurosport rear chassis brace -ST suspension rear sway bar - Rear spoiler extension -AWE Track exhaust And minor exterior and interior mods, but I am looking for more power. I will get an intercooler as my next purchase but I also want to get a new turbo would anyone have suggestions I want something good and reliable. Also they have to be a pretty decent company. Thanks any info is great have a great one and speed on.
I been wanting to know if there's a big difference from OEM IS38 VS EQT Vortex. But I'm still a bit confused. This is the break down I got so far. OEM IS38 360WHP reliably. More power will decrease lifespan, even with fuel support mods. EQT Vortex is $799 more then OEM. And need supporting Fuel Mods to see the increase Power which drives Cost up. But than you mention needing a $500 Custom Tune from EQT for vortex cause they don't carry a Base Map for it. Or is that with the XL only or Both? I'm looking to upgrade the turbo of my car next month. And I'm looking at both OEM IS38 Turbo and Vortex XL. Tune by APR or COBB AP with EQT. I'm a Daily Driver and plan to do Autocross on the weekends. I would like 400hp with a reliable Turbo, hence why I'm leaning towards Vortex. I don't want to do any Fuel Mods except for HPFP and keep everything Pump gas. Now if the Vortex can't produce 400hp without more fueling mods or E85 best bet is to stay OEM IS38 I guess. What's the best Bang for Buck if I want 400hp reliably on pump gas and HPFP upgrade?
My advice would be to not chase this “400” hp number. If you want a reliable turbo with a good amount of power and still have head room for more just in case you decide that you would like more power then vortex is the way. You can probably hit your “400” hp goal with HPFP but you wouldn’t be getting your money’s worth as the turbo is capable of much more. Just get a Vortex/Vortex XL IMO.
Forget the vortex XL, it’s WAY Too Much turbo for what you’re looking to do. The standard EQT Vortex is what you’d want. NOBODY has a OTS vortex tune (for either version) and EQT doesn’t have one for is38. Based on everything you’ve told me go APR/FCP IS38 and you’ll love it. If the 400hp thing is a bucket list item just lie like Subaru owners and claim 400hp haha (it’s true for crank hp, but not a chance for WHP)
@@cooper8704 I don’t believe you’d have head room for e30 on just a HPFP and vortex. Making 415whp wouldn’t be any issue on 93 or even 91 octane as long as you have a sufficient intercooler.
@@cooper8704 I build a full line of exhaust parts and FMIC. Even my smaller FMIC is 25% larger than CTS and a even bigger V2 is coming out in the next week. Obviously not as cheap as Chinese CTS parts, but there’s absolutely no comparison between my products & theirs either. I have several Vortex users running my FMIC with great results, so outside of them being my products I’d also recommend one because it’s a proven solution.
I’ve heard horror stories about them from a few people, hopefully they have it sorted out. There’s always going to be issues here and there with any new turbo so time will tell.
@@BaunPerformance sorry I missed this message. Right now I'm running stock lpfp and HPA hpfp my car is overseas so it already has port injection from the factory. I have a walbro 450 and hp4 torkbite ready to go in but not super necessary yet
@@danafokinwhite9816 it pulls hard when she gets spinning. I prefer the turbo lag to help take away some of the wheel spin. Running a low boost set up right now until I get some meth situation fixed. We are running 1.7 bar now, but we will go up to 1.9 soon.
Stratified might be one of the best tuners in the game. Check out BoostedMk6 with his GTX making 500hp with stock fueling and stock bottom end. WMI is the key to prevent knock and keep her cool
When it comes to reliability how do you feel about the HPA is38+ l. That’s what I run and they say (by they I mean on HPA website) you should could reliably make 400 hp to 450?
I don’t know anything about it, since I’ve never seen one in person, seen a data log, a independent dyno sheet or any explanation of what bearing mods were done for it to handle bigger than OEM wheels. EQT doesn’t use anything OEM in the bearing section, it’s a Td06 core which is proven on multiple platforms
@@BaunPerformancemight have to contact tuner. Running DO88, generic inlet elbow, apr open intake, silicone intake hose, -1 plugs, is38+, Cobb dp… I think that’s it. Only made 306 on the ole mustang dyno
Hey Jake, 93 octane is standard pump here in England, I’ve seen from other comments a upmarket intercooler is needed to keep temps under control. I really want something that’s daily friendly yet can really push when you put your foot down. I don’t want to run any other stuff. Just a daily race car. I believe is38 would be best but from a company that have fixed its oem faults. Any opinions?
93 octane is standard here as well (aside from some west coast states). I build two different size FMIC for these cars, and my V1 FMIC would suit your needs (although shipping would probably be prohibitively expensive). I run a OEM is38 on my personal car, and haven’t had any issues with it (including track days & daily driving). In the US a company called FCP Euro offers a lifetime warranty, which is better than buying a upgraded unit (because at the end of the day, a turbo is a wear item that’ll eventually wear out).
@@dramchaser1022 Do not get Cobb either it blew my turbo and took my engine out with it. I’d recommend as soon as u can find a shop and switch to United Motorsports tune.
High 300s on the is38 is with E85. Anyone making 360 on 93 octane is on a silly dyno. 320-330 is what they make on 91/93 on a relaistc dyno. 360 wheel would be high teens in the 1/4. I dont see anyone doing 117-118 mph with a 93 octane is38 car...
My is38 traps 115mph on APR’s 93 octane tune, which is considered mild by today’s standards. Idk where you’re getting your information, but it’s not accurate
@@BaunPerformance Reading the forums, watching YT etc. When and where are you going 115 on a 93 tune? -1,000 DA with a gutted car? I haven't seen any slips or videos confirming those traps on gasoline, and definitely not with a full weight car in average DA.
Hey Jake.. I told myself that when I went stage 2 with an aftermarket downpipe and intercooler that I wouldn't be doing anymore mods. Here I am looking at a bigger turbo, guess I'm proof that it's hard to stop. What do you think about the EQT IS38? I'm currently running with EQT's stage 2 ECU tune and APR's TCU tune (long story that I'm sure you've heard before). I'd like to upgrade my turbo and I see the IS38 as the best option as I've heard from others and you that it's a good option for.a daily driver.
They’re overpriced and significantly underpowered compared to every other option. Going Unitronic would be the equivalent of buying a Kia Rio for more than you paid for your Gti.
Im on the fence rn with what turbo to get. im fbo and i mean it is20 e30 my best guess pretty close to 400 im ready to buy fueling upgrades. what power would i see out of the EQT is38+ with all supporting mods and e85?
Is20 e30 is not 400, or close to it. If you want 400whp buy a HPFP & EQT Vortex & expect 425-450whp. The is38+ doesn’t flow more than a regular is38 (also not making 400whp on e30). Maybe closer to it, but you need to be realistic about compressor mapping and what your goals are.
@@BaunPerformance what company can you recommend for parts? I was thinking IE just because I like how they offer everything from pistons/rods to intercooler and intakes. Figured parts would work better if everything in made by one manufacturer vs having parts for several different companies. If I'm not mistaken but Iroz uses their pistons and rods for their build and alot of other big turbo builds.
@@redicification there’s absolutely nothing to back up the brand loyalty thing at all, so scrap that idea. I build and sell my own line of parts, so obviously id like to handle your exhaust & intercooler needs, but I also consult on the rest of the parts it take to make power with zero skin in the game (I don’t sell anything that I don’t build). If you’d like to email and talk about your goals and what’s actually needed to achieve them my email is jlbaun26@gmail.com Having a UA-cam channel is kinda fun, but I’ve never sat down and put out all the information that’s in this article which basically paints the picture of who I am and how all this got started. The interview is a few years old now, prior to be building my shop and expanding my skill set to where it is today, but still a good read www.embeddedmotorsport.com/post/baun-performance
What’s your opinion on vortex xl’s on stock motor? Seems to be a lot of people running that setup on low torque and I’d rather not build my motor just to run a hybrid. Thinking of doing 925cc mpi, rs3 brushless lpfp, and vortex xl on e85
With e85 you might need larger MPI injectors, but you’re correct there’s plenty of people running that setup without issue. The key to that is e85 burns much cooler than 91/93 which helps keep the engine safe(er)
@@BaunPerformance I was under the impression that 925 is good enough for a hybrid turbo setup even with ethanol, do you think I should go 1300 anyways or is the extra $300 better spent elsewhere?
IE is known for poor ethics, cutting corners, and is by far the least experienced tuner in the industry. Plus as you’ll see in an upcoming video, they’re one of the most expensive to boot. So if you wanna risk it with the new expensive kid on the block with a bad track record be my guest, but they’ll never get a recommendation from me. As for the bad ethics and cutting corners, dive into their cancelled engine build program & issues with Bolt on parts brought to market without real world testing (namely, several revisions of their intake both named and edited mid run).
@@BaunPerformance yeah I agree the inlet I got from them wasn’t built right and they admitted there was a bad batch but it was so difficult to get a replacement I just got another one from a different company
They sell it with and without DV & WG, plus they do sales and discounts for bundle packages. I don’t work for EQT, so yes you absolutely could be correct that I’m wrong about their prices.
Not saving anything at all in the long run. My is38 car is plenty of fun on a OTS is38 93 tune, traps 115mph, gets 30+ mpg & even with 121,750 miles on it still hop in and road trip anywhere. I’ve also got 10k in mods, there’s a good rule of thumb to remember. FAST, CHEAP, RELIABLE (pick two).
Im at 82k but other then MPG we are tit for tat.. But with me running IE id rather buy a GT2260S if my is20 blows.. not much gains to be had on a IS38 specially when they don't usually do good in the 400HP range.
I’d skip both and consider a Vortex or Vortex XL with e85 available, the Stage 1 Powermax will be maxed out in the low 400s regardless of fueling. The issue with pushing a turbo beyond its compressor map isn’t the risk of hurting the turbo, it’s everything else it can take with it (intercooler, cat, or worst case the engine).
What happens when you are in my area with no E85 within 4 hours and forced to use 91 and get clapped by my 91 octane is38 car? Using a larger turbo is always an advantage. Is20 E85 is similar to is38 93 octane. But on E85 the is38 is faster. Why compare totally different fuels?
Maybe I was having a off day, can’t say I remember since it was over a year ago. Regardless with over 6k views I can’t just delete it because my monotone-ness was worse that particular day. I’m not a actor, or a tv personality. Just a mechanic & fabricator who made a UA-cam Channel & shoots everything in one take on a iPhone. There’s plenty of UA-camrs who know absolutely nothing, but make it fun to watch which is great for entertainment (not so great for making informed decisions, learning to diy, or cross shopping products like my FMICs & line of exhausts. I really appreciate the feedback, but there’s nothing I can do about a year old video (you mentioned yourself I’ve had more fun with the newer stuff). It really comes down to shooting solo vs having someone to interact with (which makes it easier).
Great job explaining, though I imagine people will do their best to run the most power on a hpfp only.
Grear video! You answered a lot of questions
I have a few more
Spool time is38 vs vortex vs is20, a driving dynamics.
Watch my is38 review video for comparison vs the is20
Awesome job explaining everything here! I had looked at going IS38 but the stories of blown turbos has got me questioning the next move. My power goals are actually pretty low(300 wheel) and my IS20 may be just fine for that!
I'm pushing 322whp with an EQT stage 2 tune, intake, downpipe, and intercooler on the stock is20 on 93 pump gas. The is20 is plenty capable, especially if you tune for ethanol.
@@Mikem093 is standard pump here in the uk, this gives me high hopes for a stage 2 build
@@adr3510different formula
Jake I wanna have your baby wooooooo
Good info on the turbo’s. Acadia was stuck between both of those turbo options too. He linked this video. Good stuff thanks!
Haha no problem man, guys on the forums fuel most of these ideas for informational videos so keep the questions coming!
The stock IS20 in the '15 GTI Autobahn I bought 7 months ago as a one-owner 53K mile car is apparently at deaths door at 54K. Car came running Unitronic Stage 2 which was installed (w catted DP) at around 40K. First of all, pretty (VERY) shocked that it would go at such low mileage. Secondly, naturally since it needs replacing anyway am thinking of going IS38 or something like Vortex (heard bad things re: EQT...Garrett PowerMax?) but one thing I'm not doing is putting another POS OEM IS20...what a joke. I'll check your tuning vid but it seems like MK7 people either hate or love Unitronic. I loved driving their Stage 2 in mostly city traffic and their customer service is great....maybe it's a case of I don't know what I'm missing with other tunes...?? TY cheers dude!
I’d recommend a OEM is38 from FCP (lifetime warranty FTW) if you’re happy with the power it makes now, although with any upgraded turbo should be paired with a upgraded intercooler (if you don’t have one already).
2015 cars had early revision turbo and other engine parts, so a fresh current revision is38 should last 100,000+ miles worry free with proper maintenance.
Man it’s been like almost a year since u released this video. And every time my GTI friends are stuck between is38 and tpc20/vortex. I send em this link lmao.
I appreciate it!
Tpc20 is definitely worth it.
@@BeAllEndAll-i3e no thanks. I know people who had multiple tpc20’s go on them. And even after tpc finally made design changes to the tpc20, folks are still blowing their turbos. And the way they did Jim (may his soul rest in peace) was so damn dirty it truly and personally angered me. No company should treat a senior in such a disgusting heinous way!
Also, I’m from Subaru world. Had nothing but Subbies before I got my Vw. And even we knew to stay away from tpc’s garbage.
It’s terribly overpriced considering how crap their build quality is. And that is an extremely well known fact.
Do yourself a favor. Get the tpc20 out of your engine, get a vortex. Or dtr. Or literally anything.
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@@SheekTresSesenta I'm not sure of the internal politics around tpc but I ran a tpc20 with no issues . It always delivered good power and tbh the build quality is pretty good . But hey that's just me .
@@BeAllEndAll-i3e "but hey that's just me"
Yup. Must definitely be just you
I'm glad it worked out for u. But there's a lot of value in literally spending 300-500$ less and buying a turbo that is actually built well and known to be reliable. Buying a turbo from tpc is akin to setting money on fire.
Really want to hear your take on tunes currently on the market. I'm in the hunt to go stage 2 is20 91oct and don't know which route to go yet but eventually wanna end up is38 in years to come. Killing it with these videos 🔥🔥
EQT is the best in the business right now, but I can make a video one of these days
ua-cam.com/video/ZXMIu5isqL0/v-deo.html take a look at eqt against cobb vs stock.. that might help
That’s a great video, and it would’ve been a big power jump as they mentioned with a proper intercooler upgrade.
IF you can add an e30 tune to your stage 2 I think you will be happy with that. Best would be to run a is20 with a HPFP running full e85, you will be at is38 levels and less lag. I would skip the is38 entirely and get a hybrid if your thinking of upgrading.
@@Benihana81 most people don’t have good access to e85 unfortunately
Great video 💯
@GTIJake / @Baun Performance
There are definitely a number of turbos on the market, most of which you discussed that the common users go with. Do you have any input as to the HPA OEM +IS38? Since they reportedly do a few improvements to the anti-surge and wastegate? If you have any input, would be appreciated.
From what I understand it’s more expensive than EQT, so given their awesome track record I wouldn’t venture off into other similar offerings like HPA.
As far as bigger & badder options with a larger budget PAG Parts has a Garret GTX based “TRX” turbo which should shatter all records once it’s out in the wild. Granted is38 vs EQT vortex is a far cry from that breed of turbo so it’ll be its own video once it’s fully released
@@BaunPerformance I’d buy the A2b g series kits over the pagparts gtx turbos if I were to do a full frame
Hello UA-cam car community I currently have a 2016 mk7 gti stage 2 with the following parts that I remember
-JH Motorsport downpipe
-Forge Motorsport Turbo Blanket
-APR Turbo inlet pipe
-APR Full Carbon Intake
-APR Oil Catch Can
-DKM Stage 2 clutch
-Urotuning shift knob
-VW/AUDI oem euro spec shifter (give
about 20% shorter shifting)
-Larger turbo charge pipe, hoses
-BC coilover BR series
-Enkei RPF1 with Federal RS-R
-Rtheorymotorsports fender vents
-Eurosport rear chassis brace
-ST suspension rear sway bar
- Rear spoiler extension
-AWE Track exhaust
And minor exterior and interior mods, but I am looking for more power. I will get an intercooler as my next purchase but I also want to get a new turbo would anyone have suggestions I want something good and reliable. Also they have to be a pretty decent company. Thanks any info is great have a great one and speed on.
The two in this video are the most popular, and I cover in depth what power goals they’re reliable for.
You forgot some of the big hp tuners
99.99% of people aren’t looking for a full send knock sensors turned off tune
I been wanting to know if there's a big difference from OEM IS38 VS EQT Vortex. But I'm still a bit confused. This is the break down I got so far.
OEM IS38 360WHP reliably. More power will decrease lifespan, even with fuel support mods. EQT Vortex is $799 more then OEM. And need supporting Fuel Mods to see the increase Power which drives Cost up.
But than you mention needing a $500 Custom Tune from EQT for vortex cause they don't carry a Base Map for it. Or is that with the XL only or Both? I'm looking to upgrade the turbo of my car next month. And I'm looking at both OEM IS38 Turbo and Vortex XL. Tune by APR or COBB AP with EQT. I'm a Daily Driver and plan to do Autocross on the weekends. I would like 400hp with a reliable Turbo, hence why I'm leaning towards Vortex. I don't want to do any Fuel Mods except for HPFP and keep everything Pump gas. Now if the Vortex can't produce 400hp without more fueling mods or E85 best bet is to stay OEM IS38 I guess. What's the best Bang for Buck if I want 400hp reliably on pump gas and HPFP upgrade?
My advice would be to not chase this “400” hp number. If you want a reliable turbo with a good amount of power and still have head room for more just in case you decide that you would like more power then vortex is the way. You can probably hit your “400” hp goal with HPFP but you wouldn’t be getting your money’s worth as the turbo is capable of much more. Just get a Vortex/Vortex XL IMO.
@@SmkinBarrel I came here to say basically the same thing
Forget the vortex XL, it’s WAY Too Much turbo for what you’re looking to do. The standard EQT Vortex is what you’d want. NOBODY has a OTS vortex tune (for either version) and EQT doesn’t have one for is38.
Based on everything you’ve told me go APR/FCP IS38 and you’ll love it. If the 400hp thing is a bucket list item just lie like Subaru owners and claim 400hp haha (it’s true for crank hp, but not a chance for WHP)
@@cooper8704 I don’t believe you’d have head room for e30 on just a HPFP and vortex. Making 415whp wouldn’t be any issue on 93 or even 91 octane as long as you have a sufficient intercooler.
@@cooper8704 I build a full line of exhaust parts and FMIC. Even my smaller FMIC is 25% larger than CTS and a even bigger V2 is coming out in the next week. Obviously not as cheap as Chinese CTS parts, but there’s absolutely no comparison between my products & theirs either.
I have several Vortex users running my FMIC with great results, so outside of them being my products I’d also recommend one because it’s a proven solution.
TPC20 sounds like a great option as well
I’ve heard horror stories about them from a few people, hopefully they have it sorted out. There’s always going to be issues here and there with any new turbo so time will tell.
@@BaunPerformance interesting. Yeah I'm personally going to stick with "just" an IS38 but there seems to be a few good options out there
Running is38 with methanol injection dynojet reading 407. I know dynojet reads slightly higher. The EQT with the xl housing is on the way...finally!
What fueling set up are you going to feed the XL with?
Hey man, what’s the pull on the turbo like? Mine is arriving around the end of this month for my s3
@@BaunPerformance sorry I missed this message. Right now I'm running stock lpfp and HPA hpfp my car is overseas so it already has port injection from the factory. I have a walbro 450 and hp4 torkbite ready to go in but not super necessary yet
@@danafokinwhite9816 it pulls hard when she gets spinning. I prefer the turbo lag to help take away some of the wheel spin. Running a low boost set up right now until I get some meth situation fixed. We are running 1.7 bar now, but we will go up to 1.9 soon.
Stratified might be one of the best tuners in the game. Check out BoostedMk6 with his GTX making 500hp with stock fueling and stock bottom end. WMI is the key to prevent knock and keep her cool
Lots of good tuners out there, but personally I never recommend relying on W/M for octane.
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When it comes to reliability how do you feel about the HPA is38+ l. That’s what I run and they say (by they I mean on HPA website) you should could reliably make 400 hp to 450?
I don’t know anything about it, since I’ve never seen one in person, seen a data log, a independent dyno sheet or any explanation of what bearing mods were done for it to handle bigger than OEM wheels.
EQT doesn’t use anything OEM in the bearing section, it’s a Td06 core which is proven on multiple platforms
can it be expected to make 360 HP out of the box with standard tuning? Intake, IC, HF DP, inlet elbow.
Inlet elbow makes a negligible difference. Minimum you need a sufficient intercooler upgrade & DP.
@@BaunPerformancemight have to contact tuner. Running DO88, generic inlet elbow, apr open intake, silicone intake hose, -1 plugs, is38+, Cobb dp… I think that’s it. Only made 306 on the ole mustang dyno
Hey Jake, 93 octane is standard pump here in England, I’ve seen from other comments a upmarket intercooler is needed to keep temps under control. I really want something that’s daily friendly yet can really push when you put your foot down. I don’t want to run any other stuff. Just a daily race car. I believe is38 would be best but from a company that have fixed its oem faults. Any opinions?
93 octane is standard here as well (aside from some west coast states). I build two different size FMIC for these cars, and my V1 FMIC would suit your needs (although shipping would probably be prohibitively expensive).
I run a OEM is38 on my personal car, and haven’t had any issues with it (including track days & daily driving). In the US a company called FCP Euro offers a lifetime warranty, which is better than buying a upgraded unit (because at the end of the day, a turbo is a wear item that’ll eventually wear out).
thanks for the feedback g @@BaunPerformance
I got IE stage 2 for my MK7 GTI a few months ago... I would love to see your take on IE tunes. Hopefully it’s not a really bad one. 🤞🏼😅
I’m not going to completely rip them to shreds here, but not it’s not good 😬
Even for the Stage 2 tune? 😰
@@dramchaser1022 I wouldn’t recommend ANY tune by IE
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@@dramchaser1022 Do not get Cobb either it blew my turbo and took my engine out with it. I’d recommend as soon as u can find a shop and switch to United Motorsports tune.
High 300s on the is38 is with E85. Anyone making 360 on 93 octane is on a silly dyno. 320-330 is what they make on 91/93 on a relaistc dyno. 360 wheel would be high teens in the 1/4. I dont see anyone doing 117-118 mph with a 93 octane is38 car...
My is38 traps 115mph on APR’s 93 octane tune, which is considered mild by today’s standards.
Idk where you’re getting your information, but it’s not accurate
@@BaunPerformance Reading the forums, watching YT etc. When and where are you going 115 on a 93 tune? -1,000 DA with a gutted car? I haven't seen any slips or videos confirming those traps on gasoline, and definitely not with a full weight car in average DA.
Hey Jake.. I told myself that when I went stage 2 with an aftermarket downpipe and intercooler that I wouldn't be doing anymore mods. Here I am looking at a bigger turbo, guess I'm proof that it's hard to stop. What do you think about the EQT IS38? I'm currently running with EQT's stage 2 ECU tune and APR's TCU tune (long story that I'm sure you've heard before). I'd like to upgrade my turbo and I see the IS38 as the best option as I've heard from others and you that it's a good option for.a daily driver.
why apr??'
@@ferarce9756 It had APR TCU and stage 1 ECU tune when I bought it.
I can't find the tuning video. I had unitronic and didn't like it just curious why them and ie are bad
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Genuine question, why don't you recommend UNI?
They’re overpriced and significantly underpowered compared to every other option. Going Unitronic would be the equivalent of buying a Kia Rio for more than you paid for your Gti.
Im on the fence rn with what turbo to get. im fbo and i mean it is20 e30 my best guess pretty close to 400 im ready to buy fueling upgrades. what power would i see out of the EQT is38+ with all supporting mods and e85?
Is20 e30 is not 400, or close to it.
If you want 400whp buy a HPFP & EQT Vortex & expect 425-450whp.
The is38+ doesn’t flow more than a regular is38 (also not making 400whp on e30). Maybe closer to it, but you need to be realistic about compressor mapping and what your goals are.
Thoughts on IE products? (planning on UM tune)
IE is a E-commerce company with one engineer and a very large marketing team. So basically Chinese parts in fancy packaging. I’m not a fan.
@@BaunPerformance what company can you recommend for parts? I was thinking IE just because I like how they offer everything from pistons/rods to intercooler and intakes. Figured parts would work better if everything in made by one manufacturer vs having parts for several different companies. If I'm not mistaken but Iroz uses their pistons and rods for their build and alot of other big turbo builds.
@@redicification there’s absolutely nothing to back up the brand loyalty thing at all, so scrap that idea. I build and sell my own line of parts, so obviously id like to handle your exhaust & intercooler needs, but I also consult on the rest of the parts it take to make power with zero skin in the game (I don’t sell anything that I don’t build).
If you’d like to email and talk about your goals and what’s actually needed to achieve them my email is jlbaun26@gmail.com
Having a UA-cam channel is kinda fun, but I’ve never sat down and put out all the information that’s in this article which basically paints the picture of who I am and how all this got started. The interview is a few years old now, prior to be building my shop and expanding my skill set to where it is today, but still a good read
www.embeddedmotorsport.com/post/baun-performance
I’m 380 on the is20 E85. What would be a good turbo for me?
Definitely not a is38, since they’re not reliable pushed hard.
You never mentioned a budget or a power goal, so that’s all I’ve got for you.
What’s your opinion on vortex xl’s on stock motor? Seems to be a lot of people running that setup on low torque and I’d rather not build my motor just to run a hybrid. Thinking of doing 925cc mpi, rs3 brushless lpfp, and vortex xl on e85
With e85 you might need larger MPI injectors, but you’re correct there’s plenty of people running that setup without issue.
The key to that is e85 burns much cooler than 91/93 which helps keep the engine safe(er)
@@BaunPerformance I was under the impression that 925 is good enough for a hybrid turbo setup even with ethanol, do you think I should go 1300 anyways or is the extra $300 better spent elsewhere?
@@mohammedfareed9581 id definitely recommend the extra headroom. Full e85 takes massive amounts of full.
Why wouldn’t you recommend IE for software? Genuinely curious
IE is known for poor ethics, cutting corners, and is by far the least experienced tuner in the industry. Plus as you’ll see in an upcoming video, they’re one of the most expensive to boot.
So if you wanna risk it with the new expensive kid on the block with a bad track record be my guest, but they’ll never get a recommendation from me.
As for the bad ethics and cutting corners, dive into their cancelled engine build program & issues with Bolt on parts brought to market without real world testing (namely, several revisions of their intake both named and edited mid run).
@@BaunPerformance yeah I agree the inlet I got from them wasn’t built right and they admitted there was a bad batch but it was so difficult to get a replacement I just got another one from a different company
I don’t believe the prices you mentioned for the vortex is correct. Pretty sure is around 2k for the turbo with actuator calibration
They sell it with and without DV & WG, plus they do sales and discounts for bundle packages.
I don’t work for EQT, so yes you absolutely could be correct that I’m wrong about their prices.
I’m planning to get the is38. Do I need to get a pro tune I currently running eqt stage 2 on a Cobb access port thanks
As far as I know EQT hasn’t released a OTS is38 tune yet, so check with Ed but I believe you will need a pro tune
Get a 5150 tune
Is20 hybrids are 100% worth it, spools up much faster that an is38 and they can run more horses than an OEM is38. Is38 is kinda boring.
Apples to oranges, depends on a lot of factors which suites everyone’s needs.
@@BaunPerformance yeah true
I just find it crazy that e85 is20 numbers are is38 93 numbers. Rather save myself the 1k :|
Not saving anything at all in the long run.
My is38 car is plenty of fun on a OTS is38 93 tune, traps 115mph, gets 30+ mpg & even with 121,750 miles on it still hop in and road trip anywhere.
I’ve also got 10k in mods, there’s a good rule of thumb to remember. FAST, CHEAP, RELIABLE (pick two).
Im at 82k but other then MPG we are tit for tat.. But with me running IE id rather buy a GT2260S if my is20 blows.. not much gains to be had on a IS38 specially when they don't usually do good in the 400HP range.
I’d skip both and consider a Vortex or Vortex XL with e85 available, the Stage 1 Powermax will be maxed out in the low 400s regardless of fueling.
The issue with pushing a turbo beyond its compressor map isn’t the risk of hurting the turbo, it’s everything else it can take with it (intercooler, cat, or worst case the engine).
What happens when you are in my area with no E85 within 4 hours and forced to use 91 and get clapped by my 91 octane is38 car? Using a larger turbo is always an advantage. Is20 E85 is similar to is38 93 octane. But on E85 the is38 is faster. Why compare totally different fuels?
I run unitronic :/
I’m sure it’s still fun, but leaving a lot of power on the table.
@@BaunPerformance I want my car to last forever tho lol understressed engines last longer
@@Jvilleman400 to each their own
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@@BaunPerformance I’m tempted to go eqt vortex but I wouldn’t plan on E85 or mpi so it may be a waste
@@Jvilleman400 all the standard Vortex needs is a HPFP upgrade to make a safe & reliable 420-450whp on 91 or 93 octane
You talk like you didn’t want to film this video. It makes the video borderline painful to watch.
You caught me, I hate helping people make informed decisions 😂
@@BaunPerformance then talk like you want to be there. I’m sure your newer videos are better, but I’m giving some feedback improve the experience
Maybe I was having a off day, can’t say I remember since it was over a year ago. Regardless with over 6k views I can’t just delete it because my monotone-ness was worse that particular day.
I’m not a actor, or a tv personality. Just a mechanic & fabricator who made a UA-cam Channel & shoots everything in one take on a iPhone. There’s plenty of UA-camrs who know absolutely nothing, but make it fun to watch which is great for entertainment (not so great for making informed decisions, learning to diy, or cross shopping products like my FMICs & line of exhausts.
I really appreciate the feedback, but there’s nothing I can do about a year old video (you mentioned yourself I’ve had more fun with the newer stuff). It really comes down to shooting solo vs having someone to interact with (which makes it easier).