WATCH THIS before you buy a CNC machine for 3D carving! (Updated)
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READ BEFORE COMMENTING: A few people seem to listen to only part of the video, and then they run right to the comment section to tell me "any machine can cut 3D with the right software!" YES, that's what the video says! This video is about the need to find the right software if your machine won't do what you want it to do. I am NOT saying you have to get a whole new machine! I said I got a new one, but I ALSO said I had to upgrade the software on it to carve in 3D. Buy the machine you want. If it does everything you want, great. If not, you may still be able to do it if you find different software. It's all in the video...
Well, you literally state, "This may seem like a simple process that every machine can do, but it's not.", but it is. You clearly seem to be blaming the machine for your problems with the garbage software several times, when all you need is Fusion360, which is FREE!
Funny how you left out the very next sentence "You see, a CNC machine is only as good as the software...." I was CLEARLY saying the software limits the machine. This is what I mean about not listening...
Yes, I'm aware of your explanation and intent, but I wanted to point out that your message at first sounds very accusatory towards the CNC machine. I listened to the entire video before I ever looked at the comments here, and that was the impression that I got, until about half-way through the video.
I wasn't trying to twist your words, I was just trying to show how they could have sounded if someone wasn't listening very closely.
There are free open source softwares for 3D modelling. They don't cost you a cent. See below.
FreeCAD
MeshMixer
Blender (very steep learning curve)
Drawing softwares.
Inkscape
MyPaint (my favourite for roughing ideas on digital papers)
You can work back and forth between any two or more 3D softwares above, if you stick to OBJ format.
You can use Inkscape for 2D design. Inkscape is useful for automatically drawing involute gears. Export files in svg and import them into Blender. I don't know if FreeCAD or MeshMixer recognises SVG import format, as I regularly use Blender.
For those using SolidWorks, check out Onshape which comes in three versions. The educational version is free, while others are not. Onshape is very similar to SolidWorks, but offers more tools. If you use SolidWorks, you will immediately feel at home with Onshape.
A correct statement does not make the statements before correct. You said silly things and it has been pointed out. This looks like a paid promotion video to me.
I found this video very informative, and brought in issues and concepts a person thinking about getting into a CNC device may not know or understand. I appreciate the time it took to present the information, while allowing viewers to decide if the content was probative. We all have our opinions, even if sometimes, listening or reading them, is a not what one hoped.
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Stumpy: My wife and I just watched this video together. She is quite impressed with seeing CNC carving in process for the first time. She and I both took from this video everything you intended for folks to take away from it. But, I suspect that's because we paid attention. :-)
5:10 that watch definitely works perfect. Really save your time :D
Pokémon esque music! Like it! Thank you for being so thorough about your review, it certainly helps!
So glad I found this video before making my purchase. Thanks!
I purchased my fist cnc Router from practical cnc now APECNC .. 48 x 96 servo machine with 3.5 hp router... I purchased a 5 hp spindle for it after I got 5 feet of sea water in my shop from hurricane IKE.. bought Vectric Aspire ver 1 when it first came out..and now every update to ver 10.. used that machine for 10 years with little or no major problems.. then 2 years ago purchased a ShopSabre 408 Pro with 10 hp spindle and 4th axis rotary.. Yes with aspire you can 3D cut your own spindles and newel post.. Love this shopsabre... If you ever want to upgrade your machine look at them... great customer service and a great machine...
I agree. Software is the key. I use VCarve Pro. Also, get a good set of 3D carving bits for your machine.
I can't imagine what the 432 negative people have against this video. It was straightforward and easy to understand, even for me and I'm shopping. Well done Stumpy
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They’re just shattered they don’t have one, or, they don’t have a high end one.
Sucks to be them 💀
you are an incredible teacher. thank you for such helpful info and guidance
You're absolutely correct, do your homework on your purchases this can be said for all tools. If you're just starting out then yes buy the cheap stuff to make sure this is what you want to do.
I have a Shapeoko3 XXL and VCarvePro software. The SO3 is great for the price and would do a great job on the carving in this project.
That said, if you use your CNC a lot you will eventually want a larger and stiffer setup with more power so buy the best system you can justify and fit in your shop. CNC routers will soon become the centerpiece of many shops. I have come to value my CNC router as much as any piece of equipment in my shop.
Tony Shulthise - I just watched this and read your comment. Hiw is the shapeoko holding up and would you still recommend it?
I like your commentary. These are words of wisdom. great video.
Thanks for the intro to CNC. Kind thought it was a software thing--had enough of that in my past life.
Thanks for explaining 3D vs 2.5D in the CNC context. I was vaguely aware of the concept without the name.
30 years ago, a friend was working in a set construction shop and she invited me to come see the latest machine they acquired. It was a CNC panel router they had acquired for a specific movie production. They needed to make temple walls with carved out text (bas relief I think was the word used) but they were using forced perspective to make the temple set look bigger than it really was. It was described to me as being a giant printer with a router as the print head. I remember they were using Adobe illustrator to distort the postscript text. They hired a programmer to write the bridge software between illustrator and the CNC software. There was a lot of finishing by hand, but the panel router saved a lot of time and the movie had a pretty big budget. Hitting deadlines was critical. Iirc, the cost was in the tens of thousands-north of 50k.
I'm so happy i arrived at this awesome world from the 3d modelling/cad world. CNC made me have a physical output
Which cnc r u using?. I do modelling in cinema 4d. Which softwrae to convert for cnc?
Thanks for this. The Shark is what I'm planning to buy, and this is the best video of it in operation that I've seen.
bk
5:10 Looks like it's time for you to go...?
No way! It's time for you to fix that clock, as it's running backwards! ;)
Anyway, greetings from Portugal.
“It’s hard enough getting any approval for a purchase of a machine like this from the spouse” - so very true 👍😂😂
N A it’s because your spouse feeds your family. So technically you are a wife 😄
@@mailtome7654 makes no sense
Dang! This is the kind of comment I see whatever the subject of the hobby is. WHy real man are still getting marreid? It's like having a heavy height attached to your ankle everyday!
Why would you need to ask the spouse if you can spend your own money. I'm sure you always make her something on the new toy you get. Plus she spend money you don't know she has.
I didn't approve of my husband buying me a $17,000 embroidery machine but he did anyway. If he was still living I would buy him (me) a CNC machine.
Great video Stumpy Nubs! Thank you for your kind words and spreading good to know tips before purchasing a CNC and software to go with it. Your Zipper clock project came out amazing! 🙌
When I saw it taking shape I was hoping for a musical instrument ;)
great Vid James, for me CNC is an extension to wood working and can make difficult jobs easier
Great advice dude. Millions of appreciations. Thanks
Thanks for your video and input. Software is very important in giving you control. Cheaper versions reduce your options. Moc3 is professional but costs 10k with yearly fees. Fission 360 is a great program but has a harsh learning curve and requires a good PC processor. All machines have limitations for speed or accuracy. 3d printers are fairly cheap, versatile with great detail. They are not fast or made for production, but great learning tool. You can not just buy a machine and expect too much with out a lot of study.
I spent last winder not in the wood shop, for a change, but in the dining room surrounded by stepper motors, arduinos, wiring and an awful lot of soldering tools, a microscope, and so on. In the end I had built my own 3D printer from scratch. Fantastically challenging and rewarding. I’d love to get into building a CNC and/or an etcher/cutter. I have yet to research this and I’m curious and hopeful to see how much of my knowledge and experience in FFM will apply to these other solutions. It took a ton of reading and video watching to arrive at a finished product. Hopefully there are good resources for these, as well.
Thanks for the insight. The old adage of "you get get what you pay for", applies in this instance.
Thanks for the great and valuable advice. When I finally pull the trigger I will do so much better informed.
Thanks for the video. The project shown was also stacked 2.5D.
Couple of tips from a metal machinist: Try a software that knows how to do "rest machining", like Fusion360, MasterCAM, SolidCAM. That way you can rough out your workpiece with a flat endmill and you get your large flat areas all done. Then switch to a smaller ball nose cutter to rest machine all those nooks & crannies that the flat endmill didn't get. This way you are not remachining flat areas again, saving tons of hours quickly.
Thank you for sharing your amazing video. God bless you and your family
Thank you. I bought a bargain CNC so I could see if I really wanted to go further into the technology. Just starting up now. I'll let you know how it turns out.
This video is spot on. Fortunately for me, I had plenty of time to do the research as I built my own homebrew CNC router, so by the time it was running, I was already getting in practice with basic software, and had advanced software pretty well picked out.
It wasn't long at all before I went ahead and bought a full-on software suite, because my wants and needs immediately outgrew the basic tools. Years, a great deal of wood, and many, many bits and endmills later, I can speak on the subject with considerable authority, (for a hobbyist, at least). I completely agree that most people fall way short on their research when they first buy a router, and that the software is absolutely the "Secret Sauce" that unlocks the real potential of the machine. It absolutely isn't cheap, especially the all-in-one solutions like Vectric Aspire.
There are other ways to go about it though. If a steep learning curve is acceptable, there are standalone 3D CAD packages for free, (FreeCAD), and low-cost, (Alibre Atom), that can precisely model anything you can imagine in 3D. Did I mention a steep learning curve? These are both packages meant for engineering and design/manufacture, and there's nothing basic about them, especially to begin with. There are lots of good user-made tutorials out there on UA-cam, and perseverance will really pay off.
Once CAD is covered, CAM software is needed to compute the toolpaths that will guide the machine as it carves the model. There are a number of standalone CAM packages with various capabilities and pricing. Some basic CAM is built into FreeCAD, but it's not really a fully cooked system. Alibre offers a relatively low-cost bundle with MeshCAM, which is one of the better standalone CAM packages. Another good one is Deskproto, and there are others.
The all-in-one solutions, like Vectric Aspire, definitely have usability going for them. They'll get a new user up and running faster, but at the cost of, well, cost. Lots of cost, lol. I hope this will offer some leads to folks looking for software, especially first timers.
Great video Stumpy and a nice looking clock!
Good info, I’ve been looking at these machines and would like to get one
Another great video. Thanks for sharing the info and that cool clock.
Nice vid, Also I think you have created a time machine, At 5:09 your second hand on the clock starts going backwards. kewl :)
Edit. I have read other post's and other have said same thing .
Thank you for clear concise explanation
Sounds like great advice! Great looking clock project. I am still saving up .....
Yup really cool stuff these cnc machine are. Alot of the 2.5d to 3d wood working is affected by the toolset / router bits you choose to use. As you mentioned at the end of your video. I say just look at the different baseboard or crown molding decoration shapes and you can see this on a large scale. The all you have to do is imagine shrinking it down to a small scale.
James, (aka Stumpy) Thanks for the insight you have gained. The cost of even an inexpensive cnc and the additional costs as well as the learning curve will probably keep it out of my hands. Sometime you get a great deal but often you get what you pay for." And sometimes you get scammed ( that you has been me. NO LOL here)
Thanks for sharing the information! Well done!
This is great information! Thanks for sharing.
Staring to get interested in CNC. Thanks for the warning!
Hey Stumpy,
Just bumped into this. I spoke to a CNC pro a few days ago. He makes a good living using several CNCs. I asked what software he uses and his reply was "there's a lot of ok and good software out there, but Aspire is the only one I use". His project are way past anything I've seen. Aspire can be downloaded for free. I'm sure it's limited and expires after a bit.
Thanks again for what you do!
Nice job Stumpy. I always enjoy a good video about CNC. ;-)
Thanks for the solid advice
Hey Stumpy- good intro video- thanks- I think a lot of folks that are commenting are basically looking at CNC through different applications AND perspectives- most folks "get" the video but it doesn't "click" with their perspective/application... most successful videos highlight pros/cons as well as a couple of different formats/applications so the confusion is mitigated to application vs need only. Overall I like the channel and like the CNC presentation- good job! Maybe do a video on why you chose the product you did- let us see your pro/con and application/solution process- then it will be a LOT clearer! Ciao!
Great Video and great info I enjoyed watching keep up the good work!
Great info!! Thanks!!
Great video. Thanks. I'm not ready to dive into CNC but this info will no doubt help me out when I do. Thanks again.
I’m pretty new to your channel and this seems to be the most recent one on CNC machines. I was wondering do you have any opinions or experience with shaper origin? Also, thanks for all the great content. You and the wood working for mere mortals channel have really helped me in my woodworking hobby.
Love you Nubs...keep up the good work. You are truly an asset to the woodworking community if not the entire galaxy.
Hi James, I am ready to purchase my first CNC.
Many THANKS for the effort and time you put in to make us more informed in the decision process.
I have narrowed my CNC brand to either the Shark HD or the Axiom. As for the software, Vcarve then upgrade to Aspire within 1 year of purchase to further reduce intitial budget constraints.
Your thoughts on why you decided on the Shark HD verses other brands (Axiom).
Hi I’m Stacie and I like this video! Nice job and nice clock too!
I've also seen some videos about making your own CNC machine at home and some piece of software that looks good and professional: Mach 4 software. Seems to be able to do anything, even import JPG/BMP files directly and use the greyscale to determine the depth of carving. When I'm ready to build my own, I'll certainly gonna try the Mach 4 software, the full version is only 200 euros.
Old Video, but still true and nice to see.
Good to watch this video.The desin software including the cnc machine pakage?
Love this! Great machine.
Hi - Enjoying the good info in your vids. Just a comment on your hold-down method of 4 nails. If you're using an up-cut mill, especially on hardwood, the vibration and upward force exerted by the mill can shake and pull your piece loose and suck it up onto the bit, destroying your project. I trashed a $25 hickory board because my hold-down screws weren't far enough into the spoil board. Gave the spindle a good shake as well when it tore loose. So hold 'em down secure. Thx.
THANK YOU VERY BEAUTIFUL VIDEO
Nice job.i wish best luck for you
Thankfully OpenSource and Fusion 360 supports this. Not that I expect to use more than 2.5D usually.
Thanks for the info
Great video. Got a question though: Was the document you carved an IGES format?
3D Carving is definitely more about the software than the machine. Any 3 Axis CNC machine will cut 3D as long as it is fed the right instructions via the G-Code file. Aspire is an awesome program but for those without that budget can get Vetrics V-Carve Pro and still cut 3D files... they just wont have the robust modeling tools available. Good to see another woodworker showing how this is just another tool in the shop. Keep up the good work!
Right, it's almost like a two-part purchase. You need the right machine (heavy duty enough to do the work you plan to do, and with the quality parts that will last) AND you need to right software (user friendly, bug-free, and with the features and capabilities you require). Small-shop CNC woodworking is still a relatively new thing, and there's a lot of confusion out there. I recommend people find someone online who is doing the sort of work they want to do, and talk to them about the pros and cons of the stuff they're using. Then find someone else and ask them the same. When you're spending a lot of money on something, it's worth taking the time to be sure!
I completely agree and there is a pretty decent sized community of hobby CNCist out there who are very welcome to share their experiences. Some of these guys have been doing it in their shops for over a decade.
V-carve desktop will do it too. If your bed is 24 inches square or smaller V-carve desktop is far cheaper than the pro version. I often use fusion 360 if I need TRUE 3d stuff. Its a true 3d solid modeling program thats in the class of whats used to make state of the art military and commercial aircraft. Has a serious learning curve but Ive been using this type of program for years so i was a natural for me. It will also create the g-code in the same program. Free for hobby use... thousands of bucks for commercial use...
Can you please suggest me what are the different types of software we can use for CNC wood carving.
Good sir
Great video. Best part [in kind]: Knowing specifically what you want and knowing how to get there before you invest. In short; Invest your time first! Respect!
I always love your videos and tutorials... so what made you choose a Shark CNC Machine over everything else on the Market.
How and where to start ab cnc machines?
Looks interesting and it’s something new I wanna learn.
I worked for two years on an industrial 300 000 dollars cnc machine that mills all sort of metal and you just made me realise that the software of our workshop does only 2,5D milling 🤯
Good information
Muito bom parabéns 👏👏👏
Hi, very usefull yr video. What cnc you think is better just for some wood projects. ?
Great info, thanks. Do you think a CNC machine can be used for building acoustic guitars?
Thanks for the tips. I'm considering the purchase of a CNC machine. I noticed that when you changed out bits that there was some give when you tightened the colllet. Is that an issue for accuracy or do you re calibrate the location of the project with every bit change.
Thanks Nubs
that's a pretty neat machine
I concur, software is critical.I started out as a high school wood shop teach and put the first cnc in the shop. I found cnc more challenging then learning a conventional tool. Anyway, wood working takes sequential steps, process, precision, complexity. This whole debate regarding is cnc wood working etc, is silly. You can have fun wittling or you can have fun with a cnc.
thanks
it seems that you have set very low max speed on the z-axis... push it more up and u gonna save lots of mins... the lead-screw u have on the z... can handle great speeds... nice video :)
to 3D carve you need a 3d model. If you can't design something complex by yourself hire someone to do it or indeed you can quit. The software is not the main concern. You can CAM just about anything if you have the CAD :)
Very true CAD skills are everything
Well, the more your clock is running backwards, the less it is "Time to go".LOL
While I was in the shop today, I invented time travel. Turns out, it's all about using the right kind of sawdust. Who knew...
Watch your health! It all starts with sniffing sawdust, then time seems to go backwards and believing in time travel. OhOhOh. LOL
"What do we want?"
"Time travel"
"When do we want it?"
"It's irrelevant...!"
Excellent informative video!! Thanks for taking the time friend!!.... :))............
Cool stuff. What model shark do u have and or do they come with the software or are all req to get different programs. I’ve been out of the cnc design since the 90s looking to retire and get back into it but year I need full 3D and be able to cut out larger pieces if possible we’re a good start to look. So many options. Thx dan
Thank you very much for the great video. What exact machine and software are you using in the video? Would you upgrade to another, if so why. Thanks again 😁
Hi there, loved the video. I'm completely new to the CNC world but have just built my own CNC machine and now need the software to run it. I'm going to use LinuxCNC to run the actual motors but I'm really interested in the Vectric software you showed off. I wondered how you knew when to change "bits" in your spindle? Does the software tell you that? How do you know what "bits" to use and when?? Thanks again for the great video and any help you can give me (or anyone else who wants to answer this for me) Cheers :)
I scored a complete fully licensed copy of Mastercam9, including the mill, lathe, router, edm, multi-axis, solids, design, and metacut utilities, including the dongle for my computer when my company was bought out a few years back.. It doesn't get any better.....
It’s interesting reading comments from different sources for the same machine, some are great, some terrible. In programming we have a term “Do what I mean, not what I say”. I’m wondering if that is what is happening here, with the reviews?
So the question is does the device follow the instructions programmed, and if so does it perform within specifications?
I expect my machine to carve a design in to wood to a depth of 1/2”. Both software & hardware must meet that requirement. It does not need to construct Terminator 2.
Absolutely right , most hobbyists start with a 3018 and use carbide and easel but have no real idea after they have used it for a year whats next, just to let you know so far I have invested 2500 in my own open builds machine , Lead screw water cooled spindle and nearly another 2 k in software You need to shelve out real money if you want to CNC properly not 500 GBP/USD low thousands for something decent and 7.5K for a brilliant setup. DIY 4/5K will cover it with quality materials and software for a 2 metre by 1 metre bed. Not Shapeoko thats a hobbyists toy as is Inventables they are part time machines at 2 k and both without proper software, Easel is ok and is Carbide but both have problems and are not true 3d.
So people bear that in mind, 3018's teach you grbl to a point but Vectric IMHO is the best which is why is so expensive because it works, its relatively easy to use after you train and because you paid for it you can get all the goodies and free projects that they send out and you can make stuff that will sell and you can recover your costs and make a profitable business.. There are makers versions of Vectric which are cheaper but size limited so bear that in mind if you want unlimited size and the goodies you need to pay for the full pack.
If you want to produce good quality work you have to pay the price for the machine , software and bits
My boss just bought a CNC machine that the company just came out with. Their software is the worst I have ever seen. $30,000 doller CNC machine with $2 software on it. The software always freezes and gives a code that I have to call in becouse it dosn't even have a help section to look up codes. When I ask about no help button in the software they just tell me its coming SOON, famous last words. You are spot on about having good software as I spend many hrs. fighting this CNC machine to produce product. The machine itself is very well built but that does not get the job done. The worst part about it is I think my Boss thinks I don't know what I am doing.
It's also absolutely worth learning to program efficient toolpaths, doing large flat shapes like this with like 0.5mm stepover is a total waste of time.
You can program this is 2 minutes and have 2 hours machining time,
or program for 15 minutes and save perhaps a good hour on machining
you are awesome. and i have been around.
That is beautiful! I would love to get a 3D carving CNC Machine. Just afraid to take that step...it is easy to teach your self how to use the software?
Well for starters you know a good hockey team
You can use a lesser priced machine with that software. The software is the most important part while the rigidity of the machine is important.
yes, cheaper machines with cheaper software was all i could afford. so i bought it, made signs and nametags and such simpler projects wich i sold so i could buy the expensive software and upgrade my machine. buying cheaper is not always bad. it got my business going.
i am in the same boat but just leaving the dock, the machine is up and running using linuxcnc but not really making anything of consequence as of yet, any tips on software, projects... ect??
mightress what was the price of it ?
I am looking to buy cnc router,which one would you recommend?
what machine did you buy?
mightress just looking to do name engraved signes, what machines can cheaply do just that?
Jaja good video but what did you make? A tennis racket strung with a clock?
Great video
Great video!!
Hi, just started looking at CNBC machines. Your info was excellent, hadn't thought at all about 3D. Could I ask what hardness of wood do the cnc machines cope. Am a wrinkly getting into wood carving, suffering the joys of arthritis, and I have no great experience with wood other than DIY, any help or advice would be greatly appreciated......Bill 😎
That looked like a soft wood you were working with. Will the machine work with hard woods? I have a sawmill business and only mill hardwood, mostly black walnut.
Thank you! :)