David Berzins Crosses a Line into a False Gospel?

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  • @TheSpiritofProphecy1611
    @TheSpiritofProphecy1611 4 місяці тому +6

    Just an FYI. Pastor Berzins has agreed to come on my podcast to allow me to hold him accountable for his teaching on Jesus burning in hell. We will find out how he will twist and explain away Hebrews 13.

    • @TheTruthAboutNewIFB
      @TheTruthAboutNewIFB  4 місяці тому +1

      Wow, now that is interesting! Have you set a time for this?

    • @TheSpiritofProphecy1611
      @TheSpiritofProphecy1611 4 місяці тому +1

      @@TheTruthAboutNewIFB possibly Tuesday.

    • @1976-wolverines
      @1976-wolverines 3 місяці тому +2

      You pretty much believe the same don’t you, so how do you explain away Hebrews 13???

    • @TheSpiritofProphecy1611
      @TheSpiritofProphecy1611 3 місяці тому +4

      @@1976-wolverines you will have to watch the podcast to find out.

    • @1976-wolverines
      @1976-wolverines 3 місяці тому +2

      @@TheSpiritofProphecy1611, Pastor, the last time that I listened to you teach on the subject “ Did Jesus go to Hell or Abraham’s bosom” you twisted 1 Peter 4:6 at 46:49 to prove your false position and I pointed that out to you in the comments. You have not been honest with the scripture on this issue and seem to be straddling the fence.
      Unless you have repented of smiting the rock twice and teaching needless suffering of Jesus in Hell, I would rather not waste my time.
      Not sure why “once suffered” is so difficult to understand?
      1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

  • @kevinjames2198
    @kevinjames2198 3 місяці тому +5

    You Must Believe on the death the burial and the resurrection of Jesus Christ to go to heaven

  • @kevinjames2198
    @kevinjames2198 3 місяці тому +6

    Don't skip the verse where it says his soul was not left in hell

    • @recon0911
      @recon0911 3 місяці тому

      Don’t add to that verse that he was roasted in hell to pay for our sins. Heretic

    • @nathanqi1998
      @nathanqi1998 3 місяці тому +1

      I am fully aware of Acts 2 where that was mentioned. Christ descended into the lower parts of the Earth as Ephesians 4:9 makes clear.
      But where did He go?
      He went to Paradise because He told the thief on the Cross they would see each other in Paradise that same day (Luke 23:39-43).
      Luke 16:19-31 make it clear what Paradise is.
      - Located NEXT to the compartment of torments
      - Separated by a great gulf from the compartment of torments
      - Impossible to go to the other side
      - Abraham is seen with Lazarus (Abraham is the OT patriarch)
      In light all this, you can easily understand that Jesus went to Paradise. He didn't burn in Hell for sins.

  • @1976-wolverines
    @1976-wolverines 4 місяці тому +2

    Saying that the cross was not real death is wicked!

  • @cryptocpa1194
    @cryptocpa1194 3 місяці тому +1

    The Bible is clear that Jesus paid for our sins with his blood, not by burning in hell. God knew this heresy would come up. That's why he specifically mentions the body and flesh of Christ so many times. Most people would be like duh, how else would he die? But God knew these scripture wresters would come up with this so He made it clear that he died in the flesh.

  • @recon0911
    @recon0911 4 місяці тому +1

    Amen, they didn’t sprinkle ashes on the door post, they struck the posts with blood. They have built a heavy false doctrine and false gospel off of what they think is “a picture”. Hebrews 13 tells u what the burnt offering was a picture of, where Jesus would be crucified without the camp. They burn it because they consumed the flesh. Same as we are commanded to consume his flesh. The communion meal is all about the flesh and the blood..

  • @kevinjames2198
    @kevinjames2198 3 місяці тому +2

    I guess he didn't have to Splash his blood on The Mercy Seat either buddy

  • @recon0911
    @recon0911 4 місяці тому

    For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
    12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate

  • @kevinjames2198
    @kevinjames2198 3 місяці тому

    The beginning of knowledge is fearing the Lord thank you Jesus for taking my punishment in hell I'm ratchet and I don't deserve heaven but what you did on the cross saved me

  • @NIFBbers123
    @NIFBbers123 4 місяці тому +1

    Amen, Pastor Johnson

    • @kevinjames2198
      @kevinjames2198 3 місяці тому

      Beware of false prophets they're just trying to feed their own belly

    • @poolboy22v
      @poolboy22v 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@kevinjames2198what false prophet is teaching that believing on Christ's death on the cross and his resurrection is enough to save you?

  • @CDaniel1996
    @CDaniel1996 4 місяці тому +1

    Teaching heresy without even realizing it, just like their accidental unorthodox teaching on the trinity.

    • @CDaniel1996
      @CDaniel1996 4 місяці тому +2

      @@Сохранено1Gian the Baptist thoroughly exposed the issue and forced them to preach multiple damage control sermons.

  • @LawofLiberty
    @LawofLiberty 4 місяці тому +4

    Why do they need to add to the Gospel? "Real Death" lol

    • @TheTruthAboutNewIFB
      @TheTruthAboutNewIFB  4 місяці тому +1

      The death he says isn't the "real death" is the one we are commanded to remember when we take the Lords Supper! Wicked!

    • @Dizerner
      @Dizerner 4 місяці тому

      @@TheTruthAboutNewIFB If physical death were the "real" death, then we all PAY FOR OUR OWN SINS by dying.
      You are the wicked twisted ones denying a holy God must give wrath to sin!!! REPENT.

    • @TheTruthAboutNewIFB
      @TheTruthAboutNewIFB  3 місяці тому +1

      What an ignorant comment. Christ was able to pay for our sins by dying on the cross because he was the perfect sinless Son of God! Something that no one else can say...

    • @condorcondorito2303
      @condorcondorito2303 2 місяці тому

      Wow !!!!
      I find you here...
      I wonder, if I will be muted here also, like in your channel...
      AND NOW, TO THE IMMOVABLE & UNCOMPROMISING DOCTRINE OF GOD ALMIGHTY....
      1 Peter
      3 : 18, 19, 20.
      18 For Christ also hath ONCE suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to DEATH IN THE FLESH, but quickened by the Spirit:
      19 By which also he went and PREACHED unto the SPIRITS IN PRISON;
      20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God WAITED IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, while THE ARK WAS A PREPARING, wherein few, that is, EIGHT SOULS WERE SAVED by water.
      In the above Biblical passage, it clearly shows that Christ ONCE
      Suffered for sins (NOT TWICE), NOR like some people like to teach "that Jesus suffered and paid for our sins, once in the cross, and ONCE AGAIN IN hell" that will NOT be ONCE, BUT TWICE, also, as it clearly shows in above passage "that He was put to death IN THE FLESH" NOT IN THE SPIRIT (again ONCE), note also in verse 19, it says that "He PREACHED unto the spirits in prison", PREACHED as WITH AUTHORITY!!!, NOT as preaching while "He was being burned and tortured in hell" how could He preach while being in excruciating punishment??
      It does NOT make sense at all!!! PLUS, HIS SOUL WAS NOT LEFT IN HELL, BECAUSE HE WENT THERE TO PREACH WITH ALL AUTHORITY, NOT TO BE PUNISHED !!!!!
      WHOSOEVER TEACHES THE LIE & ABOMINATION "THAT JESUS WAS ROASTED IN HELL AS A SECOND STAGE TO THE PROCESS OF THE SALVATION OF OUR SOULS", THOSE PEOPLE, HAVE TO BE REBUKED AND GIVEN A CHANCE TO REPENT (AS IF THEY ARE SAVED) IF THEY DO, THEY SHOULD STOP TEACHING AND SEEKING THE SPOT LIGHT AND ATTENTION THEY CRAVE, AND, STUDY THE WORD OF GOD DILIGENTLY AND SUBMIT TO IT, AND, DECLARE THAT THEY WERE WRONG, DOING SO, IN THE SPIRIT OF MEEKNESS, AND NOT OF THE PRIDE OF THE FLESH, AFTER ALL, THEY WERE MAKING THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD (WHO INSPIRED MEN OF GOD TO WRITE HIS WORD THE BIBLE) INTO A LIAR, AND AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT !!!! WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN !!!!!!
      AND, IT IS SERIOUS ENOUGH TO BREAK FELLOWSHIP OVER IT, JUST LIKE THE DAMNABLE LIE OF "calvinism", "dispensionalism" or even "partial dispensionalism"...
      If some people, STILL believe that Jesus "was roasted in hell for our sins", THEN,
      THAT WOULD MEAN, THAT JESUS SACRIFICE AT THE CROSS WAS NOT ENOUGH FOR THE REDEMPTION OF OUR SOULS, THAT HE HAD TO BE FRIED IN HELL AS "A SECOND STAGE OF A SALVATION PROCESS"
      (DOESN'T IT SOUND LIKE ROMAN CATHOLICISM AGAIN???)...
      THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT BLASPHEMY!!BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE JESUS A LIAR!!!
      REMEMBER, RIGHT BEFORE HE DIED, HE SAID "IT IS DONE", THEN, ACCORDING TO THE UNBIBLICAL INTERPRETATION, "IT WAS NOT DONE", THEN, JESUS LIED!!!
      Some pastors ARE playing with FIRE, brethren, read your KJV Bible by yourself, do not let Steven Anderson nor another pastor that came out of the nifb "movement" nor through "apostolic succession" like: "pastor Nichols begat pastor Anderson, pastor Anderson begot (DISGRACED)
      Pastor
      Donnie Romero, pastor Donnie Romero begot evangelist Adam Fannin, who later, became Pastor Fannin, and, that as the other mentioned "father pastors" before him ALSO BELIEVES IN JESUS FRYING IN HELL FOR OUR SINS AND MAKING JESUS A LIAR!!!!!!
      ARE THESE PASTORS SAVED AT ALL ??????
      "BUT THE SOUL WINNING !!!!"
      SOME MIGHT SAY.....
      IF THEY TEACH THAT JESUS SACRIFICE AT THE CROS WAS NOT ENOUGH, THEN, ALL THEIR "SOUL WINNING" NUMBERS DO NOT COUNT !!! THEY ARE PROMOTING the "gospel according to the NIFB" and NOT ACCORDING TO MESSIAH JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD !!!!!!!
      What's next?
      Because Anderson embraced calvinism in the end, then, everybody else that came through "apostolic succession"
      (sounds catholic, doesn't it? BECAUSE IT IS !!!!!!)
      Then, everybody else that came out from the "nifb movement" should follow his example?
      God Forbid !!!!!!!
      I PRAY THAT THEY REPENT of THEIR PRIDE AND SMUGNESS !!!
      ALLOW
      The Holy Word of God speak to you with The Aid of The Holy Spirit of God for The Correct Interpretation, NOT your very own, nor, a pastor's WRONG interpretation, dead giveaway is when "they" catter to their flesh AND BECOME PROUD AND START DOING "THEIR OWN THING".
      And TO some of those pastors, chasing after filthy lucre sake and notoriety...
      Do NOT keep company with those pastors nor evangelists that teach that damnable and heretical doctrine, your Biblical CREDIBILITY & REPUTATION WILL suffer, look on what happened to Pastor McMurtry, when he decided that Anderson was WRONG in embracing calvinism and separating from "the movement" it was too late for him, he suffered ridicule (something to do with a pumpkin) and a lack of Biblical Credibility (He also believes that the USA IS the whore of Revelation just like steven anderson believes), "guilty by association" I think they call it......
      REPENT AND DO NOT COMPROMISE WITH INIQUITY, BE FOUND FAITHFUL TO THE WORD OF GOD AND NOT THE FLESH !!!!!!!
      THE PRICE TO PAY WILL BE TOO HIGH, AND GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED NOR FOOLED !!!!!!!
      Hebrews
      10 : 31
      31 It is a FEARFUL THING to fall into the hands of THE LIVING GOD.

    • @Dizerner
      @Dizerner 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@condorcondorito2303 Yes, Jesus suffered what we deserved, he took our hell on the Cross when it got dark. One stage, and it was finished.

  • @kevinjames2198
    @kevinjames2198 3 місяці тому

    You must believe in your heart that God has risen from the dead

    • @recon0911
      @recon0911 3 місяці тому

      Yeah but according to you he is still burning in hell because with your logic it’s an eternity in hell we earned therefore Jesus must burn for and eternity. Oh wait yeah you guys say he burned eternally but in 3 days.. ridiculous dispensational style mental gymnastics., instead of just admitting your wrong

  • @MarkJohnson-uu8oy
    @MarkJohnson-uu8oy 3 місяці тому +1

    Where was Jesus for 3 days and 3 nights?

    • @TheTruthAboutNewIFB
      @TheTruthAboutNewIFB  3 місяці тому

      the heart of the earth.

    • @MarkJohnson-uu8oy
      @MarkJohnson-uu8oy 3 місяці тому

      @@TheTruthAboutNewIFB
      Is that where his body went?

    • @TheTruthAboutNewIFB
      @TheTruthAboutNewIFB  3 місяці тому

      no, His body was in the tomb

    • @MarkJohnson-uu8oy
      @MarkJohnson-uu8oy 3 місяці тому +1

      @@TheTruthAboutNewIFB
      So, according to the scriptures in Isaiah 53, was Jesus soul made an offering for sin?
      Was Jesus soul left in hell according to Psalm 16?
      Where is hell located presently?

    • @TheTruthAboutNewIFB
      @TheTruthAboutNewIFB  3 місяці тому +1

      The same place that it pleases the Lord to bruise him (his body). Read the rest of the verse and remember his soul was in his body until he gave up the ghost.

  • @kevinjames2198
    @kevinjames2198 3 місяці тому

    Sounds like you have your own Gospel man I'm coming as I listened to your video

  • @kevinjames2198
    @kevinjames2198 3 місяці тому

    This man ain't right I have proof I'm from an old Baptist Church and I go to one of these new churches and they say the same Doctrine

  • @sheepdog5097
    @sheepdog5097 3 місяці тому

    What do you do with Acts 2:31? Besides saying, "Hell doesn't mean Hell."

    • @nathanqi1998
      @nathanqi1998 3 місяці тому +1

      The Compartments of Hell is an extremely important truth.
      Luke 23:39-43 make it clear that Jesus went to Paradise. He told the thief, "Today, shalt thou be with me in Paradise."
      No other way to interpret that.
      Ephesians 4:9 is clear that Jesus went to the lower parts of the Earth.
      Where to?
      Paradise.
      Luke 16:19-31 make it clear that Paradise is located NEXT to Hell (compartment of torments) and that a great gulf separated the two areas. Abraham is seen in Paradise.
      Jesus went to Hell, but to the PARADISE compartment.

  • @condorcondorito2303
    @condorcondorito2303 2 місяці тому

    THE IMMOVABLE & UNCOMPROMISING DOCTRINE OF GOD ALMIGHTY....
    1 Peter
    3 : 18, 19, 20.
    18 For Christ also hath ONCE suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to DEATH IN THE FLESH, but quickened by the Spirit:
    19 By which also he went and PREACHED unto the SPIRITS IN PRISON;
    20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God WAITED IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, while THE ARK WAS A PREPARING, wherein few, that is, EIGHT SOULS WERE SAVED by water.
    In the above Biblical passage, it clearly shows that Christ ONCE
    Suffered for sins (NOT TWICE), NOR like some people like to teach "that Jesus suffered and paid for our sins, once in the cross, and ONCE AGAIN IN hell" that will NOT be ONCE, BUT TWICE, also, as it clearly shows in above passage "that He was put to death IN THE FLESH" NOT IN THE SPIRIT (again ONCE), note also in verse 19, it says that "He PREACHED unto the spirits in prison", PREACHED as WITH AUTHORITY!!!, NOT as preaching while "He was being burned and tortured in hell" how could He preach while being in excruciating punishment??
    It does NOT make sense at all!!! PLUS, HIS SOUL WAS NOT LEFT IN HELL, BECAUSE HE WENT THERE TO PREACH WITH ALL AUTHORITY, NOT TO BE PUNISHED !!!!!
    WHOSOEVER TEACHES THE LIE & ABOMINATION "THAT JESUS WAS ROASTED IN HELL AS A SECOND STAGE TO THE PROCESS OF THE SALVATION OF OUR SOULS", THOSE PEOPLE, HAVE TO BE REBUKED AND GIVEN A CHANCE TO REPENT (AS IF THEY ARE SAVED) IF THEY DO, THEY SHOULD STOP TEACHING AND SEEKING THE SPOT LIGHT AND ATTENTION THEY CRAVE, AND, STUDY THE WORD OF GOD DILIGENTLY AND SUBMIT TO IT, AND, DECLARE THAT THEY WERE WRONG, DOING SO, IN THE SPIRIT OF MEEKNESS, AND NOT OF THE PRIDE OF THE FLESH, AFTER ALL, THEY WERE MAKING THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD (WHO INSPIRED MEN OF GOD TO WRITE HIS WORD THE BIBLE) INTO A LIAR, AND AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT !!!! WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN !!!!!!
    AND, IT IS SERIOUS ENOUGH TO BREAK FELLOWSHIP OVER IT, JUST LIKE THE DAMNABLE LIE OF "calvinism", "dispensionalism" or even "partial dispensionalism"...
    If some people, STILL believe that Jesus "was roasted in hell for our sins", THEN,
    THAT WOULD MEAN, THAT JESUS SACRIFICE AT THE CROSS WAS NOT ENOUGH FOR THE REDEMPTION OF OUR SOULS, THAT HE HAD TO BE FRIED IN HELL AS "A SECOND STAGE OF A SALVATION PROCESS"
    (DOESN'T IT SOUND LIKE ROMAN CATHOLICISM AGAIN???)...
    THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT BLASPHEMY!!BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE JESUS A LIAR!!!
    REMEMBER, RIGHT BEFORE HE DIED, HE SAID "IT IS DONE", THEN, ACCORDING TO THE UNBIBLICAL INTERPRETATION, "IT WAS NOT DONE", THEN, JESUS LIED!!!
    Some pastors ARE playing with FIRE, brethren, read your KJV Bible by yourself, do not let Steven Anderson nor another pastor that came out of the nifb "movement" nor through "apostolic succession" like: "pastor Nichols begat pastor Anderson, pastor Anderson begot (DISGRACED)
    Pastor
    Donnie Romero, pastor Donnie Romero begot evangelist Adam Fannin, who later, became Pastor Fannin, and, that as the other mentioned "father pastors" before him ALSO BELIEVES IN JESUS FRYING IN HELL FOR OUR SINS AND MAKING JESUS A LIAR!!!!!!
    ARE THESE PASTORS SAVED AT ALL ??????
    "BUT THE SOUL WINNING !!!!"
    SOME MIGHT SAY.....
    IF THEY TEACH THAT JESUS SACRIFICE AT THE CROS WAS NOT ENOUGH, THEN, ALL THEIR "SOUL WINNING" NUMBERS DO NOT COUNT !!! THEY ARE PROMOTING the "gospel according to the NIFB" and NOT ACCORDING TO MESSIAH JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD !!!!!!!
    What's next?
    Because Anderson embraced calvinism in the end, then, everybody else that came through "apostolic succession"
    (sounds catholic, doesn't it? BECAUSE IT IS !!!!!!)
    Then, everybody else that came out from the "nifb movement" should follow his example?
    God Forbid !!!!!!!
    I PRAY THAT THEY REPENT of THEIR PRIDE AND SMUGNESS !!!
    ALLOW
    The Holy Word of God speak to you with The Aid of The Holy Spirit of God for The Correct Interpretation, NOT your very own, nor, a pastor's WRONG interpretation, dead giveaway is when "they" catter to their flesh AND BECOME PROUD AND START DOING "THEIR OWN THING".
    And TO some of those pastors, chasing after filthy lucre sake and notoriety...
    Do NOT keep company with those pastors nor evangelists that teach that damnable and heretical doctrine, your Biblical CREDIBILITY & REPUTATION WILL suffer, look on what happened to Pastor McMurtry, when he decided that Anderson was WRONG in embracing calvinism and separating from "the movement" it was too late for him, he suffered ridicule (something to do with a pumpkin) and a lack of Biblical Credibility (He also believes that the USA IS the whore of Revelation just like steven anderson believes), "guilty by association" I think they call it......
    REPENT AND DO NOT COMPROMISE WITH INIQUITY, BE FOUND FAITHFUL TO THE WORD OF GOD AND NOT THE FLESH !!!!!!!
    THE PRICE TO PAY WILL BE TOO HIGH, AND GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED NOR FOOLED !!!!!!!
    Hebrews
    10 : 31
    31 It is a FEARFUL THING to fall into the hands of THE LIVING GOD.

  • @kevinjames2198
    @kevinjames2198 3 місяці тому

    To you false prophets that his soul was not left in Hell or did his flesh see corruption

    • @recon0911
      @recon0911 3 місяці тому

      Like you said his soul was not left in hell. Why are you adding his soul burned in hell?
      22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

  • @kevinjames2198
    @kevinjames2198 3 місяці тому

    No no no no no what did he resurrected from the Bible teaches hell

  • @kevinjames2198
    @kevinjames2198 3 місяці тому

    Where does it say in the Bible call upon the Lord

  • @kevinjames2198
    @kevinjames2198 3 місяці тому

    If you're trying to win people to Jesus amen but use the scriptures instead of your own opinions

  • @Dizerner
    @Dizerner 4 місяці тому

    The Discount Atonement Theory is demonic and insulting to God's holiness. Whatever the sinner's punishment would be, that is what a holy God gives in substitution, God has just and equal weights, he does not give Jesus a Walmart Rollback sale and cheat code, Jesus took the punishment we all deserved, the very wrath of God, else he could die in his sleep for our sins.

    • @TheTruthAboutNewIFB
      @TheTruthAboutNewIFB  4 місяці тому +4

      This comment is wicked because it diminishes the blood! Jesus recieved the very wrath of God on the cross. This was no mere man dying on the cross, this was the God-man, Christ Jesus! And the wrath of God was satisfied ON THE CROSS! "Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him" - Isaiah 53:10 - The bodily sacrifice and shed blood of Christ was NOT a cheap discount code . You are adding to the gospel. 1Pe 1:18-19
      (18) Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
      (19) But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    • @Dizerner
      @Dizerner 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Сохранено1 Mocking God's holiness in judgment, it's not going to turn out great for you calling it kool-aide. I would reconsider and pray about it.

    • @Dizerner
      @Dizerner 4 місяці тому +1

      @@TheTruthAboutNewIFB I do believe the wrath of God was satisfied on the Cross.
      But you do realize hell is just that, it's the wrath of God? It's not something else.
      You seem confused-on the one hand calling it wrath, on the other hand calling it just a physical body dying.

    • @1976-wolverines
      @1976-wolverines 4 місяці тому +3

      @@Dizerneryou are right, Jesus did experience Hell which is the wrath of God, but it was while He was on the cross. Study 2 Sam 22:6 and Ps 16:10, and you will see the context is the crucifixion. When on the cross, Substitution and Atonement and Propitiation were made, because Jesus experienced everything in His soul that we would have, had we gone to Hell. Burning and suffering outside of His physical body was not possible or necessary! No sins fell through the cracks when atonement was made on the cross! “It is finished” was His cry praise God!

    • @Dizerner
      @Dizerner 4 місяці тому +1

      @@1976-wolverines I agree, but that's far more than physical death. Jesus took the second death for us, the suffering of hell.

  • @rapturecalculator
    @rapturecalculator 3 місяці тому

    If the suffering Jesus experienced in the cross was the Atonement for the sins of the world then the thief on the cross qualifies as co-propitiation for the sins of the world.

    • @TheTruthAboutNewIFB
      @TheTruthAboutNewIFB  3 місяці тому +3

      That wins the award for most ridiculous comment I've heard on this topic.

    • @rapturecalculator
      @rapturecalculator 3 місяці тому

      You're correct it is stupid. It's as stupid as saying Jesus did not die and go to hell. Jesus not only died and went to hell but he died and went to heaven too.​@@TheTruthAboutNewIFB

    • @rapturecalculator
      @rapturecalculator 3 місяці тому

      ​@@TheTruthAboutNewIFBI'm not an IFB preacher. But challenge accepted.
      Hebrews 13:11-13 the beasts were killed and BURNED outside the camp. Jesus suffered and died outside the camp and then BURNED in hell.
      You left off the burning part to win your argument. Don't read those 3 verses and conveniently leave out the burning part. Burning is VERY important to the sacrifices.

    • @rapturecalculator
      @rapturecalculator 3 місяці тому

      ​@@TheTruthAboutNewIFBEphesians 5:2
      [2]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
      There's no sweetsmelling savour without burning.