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I had this exact same problem where I was pushing balls too much. Many of the pushes he did where prime loop candidates and I think he would benefit on putting it in his mind if its past the 1/3 of the table from the net just loop it. Even if you miss just loop it so he starts getting the idea of attacking instead of pushing and putting himself on defense. I did this and went from 1300 to 1500 in a couple of months
Incredible video! It's wild how many videos there are out there on looping but hardly any on pushing. Your analysis was super informative and found things that I can apply to improve my own game.
Glad it was helpful! Pushing is underrated you can easily go way over 2000 just with solid pushes blocks fundamentals etc. without needing to go crazy w/ the loops. Not that looping is bad just not always the only option
Wow thanks Looee!! I will start working on this today :) and submit again as soon as I fix those things. Its great to have a clear path to follow in trainig.. thaanks! The blade its Argentinian, but I think I will try to change it cuz its too heavy (9 layers of wood). Im also going to change the rubbers, probably to some european ones (was considering some Xiom Vega or something like that, I can test m2, razka 9 and pf4 from my training partners) but also cuz here we have high levels of humidity and there are days when its imposible to play
Glad it was helpful and best of luck improving! And yeah 9 layers of wood is a lot. But the Vega series of rubbers is great so I'd 100% recommend it. I used to play in a place with very high humidity and I know sometimes with European rubbers they get very slippery but as long as technique is good you should still be ok for the most part. And then hopefully for tournaments / important matches the conditions are less humid. But yeah can't go wrong with xiom Vega! Those other ones you mentioned are good too all made in the same factory.
These videos are so good!! I love when you show something that is done wrong and then compare to how it's done correctly. Too often in educational videos, there is just an emphasis on showing how something is done correctly, but showing when something is done incorrectly is helpful too for identifying errors and making improvements.
Greetings. Nice video with some nice notions. I can see that you try to point the mistakes to the most critical points, not talking much about footwork, which is missing " a bit ", but i understand why. I will try to add something to the analyses, not about something specifically that the video autor did, but for all the followers who are trying to improve their table-tennis. Some tips for people with problems with receiving serves: - For counter the effects, try to play the racket angle as a mirror of your opponent. (hard to explain better) - For chopping/pushing correctly, get the ball at the earliest bounce. Get your body closer to the ball for better control. The action comes mostly from the elbow. For short receives, try to get the ball close to the handle(lower part = spin/upper part= no spin) It works for serves too! To long receives, get the ball far from the handle. This techniques is where most of the players fail . - If an opponent service comes off of the table, always try to attack it (topspin preferencial) Hope it helps Best wishes!
If the ball already has a ton of backspin e.g. it's as heavy as possible you don't want to try and add even more backspin to it because it's going to fly off your rubber and be difficult to control. You can almost "borrow" the spin and just give it back to them. Nice and smooth but don't try to overcook it. Push shouldn't be trying to win a point outright it's just designed to set up your attack so as long as it does that it's a success! In terms of specific technique and if you're doing something wrong I wouldn't know without seeing a video but if you're interested in a match review feel free to join my discord!
Just receive it off the bounce, close to the table, on the upper part close to the handle to remove spin, or lower part close to the handle, to add spin. Contact point close to the handle =short , far from the handle = long.
5:55 that is not a real problem. Any part of the rubber should impart the same amount of spin. The problem and solution is timing. Hit it earlier and it will automatically hit a lower spot. If the player starts thinking of the opponent's spin, the timing, the point on the rubber, foot placement, etc it's game over. The place on the rubber imo is not a problem (in the push) because the blade can rotate depending on your reach. Timing and angle are key Edit I saw your next point. Pro players don't push with the wrist. You impart much more spin if you get close and just move forward
Of course during a real game you can't consciously think about all these things or you're gonna lose, but during analysis you absolutely have to in order to figure out what's wrong and then fix it in practice. And during the practice it's totally fine to consciously focus on this stuff until you no longer have to. As for the pushing / touching you're right that technically you can get the same spin anywhere on the rubber, but hitting it so far up is still extremely suboptimal. However you are correct that timing is the solution, not literally changing the contact point which I do explain a little later in the vid. But as for why the contact point itself is still bad, firstly by definition if you're hitting super high up on the rubber, you're not gonna be hitting as early off the bounce as possible compared to when you hit closer to the front on the rubber. Because by definition it takes more time for the ball to travel to the back of the rubber. Second, especially on the contact points that were super close to the edge you are going to have a totally different feeling / feedback and reaction because even though the rubber may be consistent a blades sweet spot is not. And third if you're near the back part of the rubber at contact that means you've already probably done most of your motion (extended too early and now made contact after extending, instead of making contact first and then leaving room to extend. Also I agree nobody is pushing / touching by swinging the wrist but I never mentioned / recommend that to begin with. Edit: I had assumed your timestamp was for the forehand push where he's right at the literal edge of his rubber. The backhand ones where he's kind of in the middle of the blade are "fine" in terms of the literal contact point. I'd say even though the contact point itself isn't the issue, it's the symptom of a different problem which is the timing which is why I pointed it out and explained it more later in the video. For example you'll rarely see Ma Long when he's got perfect timing have much variation on his contact point when touching.
Gotcha I appreciate the input. I've said it before and I'll say it again my vids are never perfect so always looking for ways to improve my own coaching!
You raise very good points, especially with the idea of going for the loops and if you lose you lose. A lesson I had the coach said go out and miss a lot until it starts to come in. So, in learning something new, you may go backwards for a while. That's all part of it. Another thing with the short game and pushing (Waldner pushed a lot. Nothing wrong with it), and that's trying to manage the short game with fast rubbers and fast blades. It's a double edge sword. The setup that provides power (if you can handle it) in the open rally may be miserable to use in the short game. Do the pros make it work? Yes, but they are pros and that's what they do for a living. They have to make it work
@@zazenforever4940 It's a lot easier with Chinese tacky rubbers. They have a linear response. Another thing to be aware of is that you must be soft in the hands while pushing
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I had this exact same problem where I was pushing balls too much. Many of the pushes he did where prime loop candidates and I think he would benefit on putting it in his mind if its past the 1/3 of the table from the net just loop it. Even if you miss just loop it so he starts getting the idea of attacking instead of pushing and putting himself on defense. I did this and went from 1300 to 1500 in a couple of months
Yup I definitely hope he starts to play a little more aggressive
Incredible video! It's wild how many videos there are out there on looping but hardly any on pushing. Your analysis was super informative and found things that I can apply to improve my own game.
Glad it was helpful! Pushing is underrated you can easily go way over 2000 just with solid pushes blocks fundamentals etc. without needing to go crazy w/ the loops. Not that looping is bad just not always the only option
Wow thanks Looee!! I will start working on this today :) and submit again as soon as I fix those things. Its great to have a clear path to follow in trainig.. thaanks!
The blade its Argentinian, but I think I will try to change it cuz its too heavy (9 layers of wood). Im also going to change the rubbers, probably to some european ones (was considering some Xiom Vega or something like that, I can test m2, razka 9 and pf4 from my training partners) but also cuz here we have high levels of humidity and there are days when its imposible to play
Glad it was helpful and best of luck improving!
And yeah 9 layers of wood is a lot. But the Vega series of rubbers is great so I'd 100% recommend it. I used to play in a place with very high humidity and I know sometimes with European rubbers they get very slippery but as long as technique is good you should still be ok for the most part. And then hopefully for tournaments / important matches the conditions are less humid. But yeah can't go wrong with xiom Vega! Those other ones you mentioned are good too all made in the same factory.
These videos are so good!! I love when you show something that is done wrong and then compare to how it's done correctly. Too often in educational videos, there is just an emphasis on showing how something is done correctly, but showing when something is done incorrectly is helpful too for identifying errors and making improvements.
Thanks!!! Glad you enjoy them
Greetings.
Nice video with some nice notions. I can see that you try to point the mistakes to the most critical points, not talking much about footwork, which is missing " a bit ", but i understand why.
I will try to add something to the analyses, not about something specifically that the video autor did, but for all the followers who are trying to improve their table-tennis.
Some tips for people with problems with receiving serves:
- For counter the effects, try to play the racket angle as a mirror of your opponent. (hard to explain better)
- For chopping/pushing correctly, get the ball at the earliest bounce. Get your body closer to the ball for better control. The action comes mostly from the elbow. For short receives, try to get the ball close to the handle(lower part = spin/upper part= no spin) It works for serves too! To long receives, get the ball far from the handle. This techniques is where most of the players fail .
- If an opponent service comes off of the table, always try to attack it (topspin preferencial)
Hope it helps
Best wishes!
Great analysis! Thanks 🙏🏻 please do more
No problem! And I have more on the way
Excellent review...thanks for sharing.
No problem!!
That blade is made in Argentina that is why you never heard of that brand
Makes sense!
If I push a heavy backspin ball with heavy backspin, it tends to go out of the table. Why does it happen and how can I fix it?
If the ball already has a ton of backspin e.g. it's as heavy as possible you don't want to try and add even more backspin to it because it's going to fly off your rubber and be difficult to control.
You can almost "borrow" the spin and just give it back to them. Nice and smooth but don't try to overcook it. Push shouldn't be trying to win a point outright it's just designed to set up your attack so as long as it does that it's a success!
In terms of specific technique and if you're doing something wrong I wouldn't know without seeing a video but if you're interested in a match review feel free to join my discord!
Just receive it off the bounce, close to the table, on the upper part close to the handle to remove spin, or lower part close to the handle, to add spin. Contact point close to the handle =short , far from the handle = long.
5:55 that is not a real problem. Any part of the rubber should impart the same amount of spin. The problem and solution is timing. Hit it earlier and it will automatically hit a lower spot. If the player starts thinking of the opponent's spin, the timing, the point on the rubber, foot placement, etc it's game over. The place on the rubber imo is not a problem (in the push) because the blade can rotate depending on your reach. Timing and angle are key
Edit
I saw your next point. Pro players don't push with the wrist. You impart much more spin if you get close and just move forward
Of course during a real game you can't consciously think about all these things or you're gonna lose, but during analysis you absolutely have to in order to figure out what's wrong and then fix it in practice. And during the practice it's totally fine to consciously focus on this stuff until you no longer have to.
As for the pushing / touching you're right that technically you can get the same spin anywhere on the rubber, but hitting it so far up is still extremely suboptimal. However you are correct that timing is the solution, not literally changing the contact point which I do explain a little later in the vid. But as for why the contact point itself is still bad, firstly by definition if you're hitting super high up on the rubber, you're not gonna be hitting as early off the bounce as possible compared to when you hit closer to the front on the rubber. Because by definition it takes more time for the ball to travel to the back of the rubber. Second, especially on the contact points that were super close to the edge you are going to have a totally different feeling / feedback and reaction because even though the rubber may be consistent a blades sweet spot is not. And third if you're near the back part of the rubber at contact that means you've already probably done most of your motion (extended too early and now made contact after extending, instead of making contact first and then leaving room to extend.
Also I agree nobody is pushing / touching by swinging the wrist but I never mentioned / recommend that to begin with.
Edit:
I had assumed your timestamp was for the forehand push where he's right at the literal edge of his rubber. The backhand ones where he's kind of in the middle of the blade are "fine" in terms of the literal contact point. I'd say even though the contact point itself isn't the issue, it's the symptom of a different problem which is the timing which is why I pointed it out and explained it more later in the video. For example you'll rarely see Ma Long when he's got perfect timing have much variation on his contact point when touching.
@@Looeelooee Thank you for taking the time to reply. Mine was an input on cues for coaching, but your insight was very welcome
Gotcha I appreciate the input. I've said it before and I'll say it again my vids are never perfect so always looking for ways to improve my own coaching!
You raise very good points, especially with the idea of going for the loops and if you lose you lose. A lesson I had the coach said go out and miss a lot until it starts to come in. So, in learning something new, you may go backwards for a while. That's all part of it.
Another thing with the short game and pushing (Waldner pushed a lot. Nothing wrong with it), and that's trying to manage the short game with fast rubbers and fast blades. It's a double edge sword. The setup that provides power (if you can handle it) in the open rally may be miserable to use in the short game. Do the pros make it work? Yes, but they are pros and that's what they do for a living. They have to make it work
@@zazenforever4940 It's a lot easier with Chinese tacky rubbers. They have a linear response. Another thing to be aware of is that you must be soft in the hands while pushing