why just shows their immaturity & naivety especially regarding the positions they hold in government. they act like typical people who live in fake worlds or fake reality & then something happens some what close by & suddenly they feel just as much a victim as actual victims & shocked by what reality really is.
One of the greatest things about this show is how all the characters interact. There’s something genuine about them. Just the way Josh walks up to Toby and hugs him and says “Mazel Tov” is sentiment to how they feel about each other.
Many people say that this show should come back, but I think it was one of those moments in time where the actors, the scriptwriting and all the production talent made this show so brilliant and unique. And like most brilliant moments in life, it's almost impossible to repeat them.
This exactly what I said on the West Wing reddit. Show was magic even in the weaker seasons it was still amazing. Trying to repeat that is impossible. I would rather just rewatch the series as is then add a season that just isn’t up to par.
Someone should be trying. Not under the West Wing name, but there should be new attempts to capture inspiring, realistic politics in a genuine, heartfelt drama as devoid of fantasy as possible. There should be a new attempt every year that a successful attempt is not on the air.
Well now, I beg to differ! :) Much of this show is populated with people who also have experience on the legit stage, where revivals can often shed light even on the most oft-revived. If you cast experienced theater thespians, you just *might* get an experience that’s different but just as worthy as the original. I mean, I’ve seen SWEENEY TODD done by several different production companies over the years and though it’s a script I’ve basically memorized, having worked on two productions two decades apart, the choices made by different combo of actors, directors, etc. shed new light *every* time.
Obviously, there are hundreds of amazing scenes from this perfect show. This might be the most complex and powerful scene of all. These actors are giving us characters who are simultaneously freaked out personally for a friend and his family, while professionally dealing with a crisis we can barely imagine. THEN, throw in the personal joy of twins being born - but that's so perfectly teetering on the brink given the crisis they're all dealing with. Every emotion is so perfectly written and displayed here. There's not an ounce of wasted movement, dialogue, expression, etc. Perfection.
Repeating and again in the same sentence is redundant. The White House Communications Director would never had said that. This show had terrible writing!
Those last few seconds, you can see Toby's failing to contain his fear. He knows exactly now what it feels like to be terrified to have your children taken away. How he says later that he'd do anything to get them back was his most passionate moment as a new father.
Plus when he realized the true depths of a father’s love when he watched the home video of Bartlet wiping Zoey’s mouth the way he just did Huck’s a second before. He knew what he, a private citizen, was capable of if someone hurt his child, let alone the man with the nuclear football. The nuance of the acting and slight subtle details in this show was just unmatched.
It is, but also it's Toby's character acting against what everyone expects him to be. He is clearly so delighted with the news of the twins and is desperate for his FRIENDS to congratulate him. The 'nasty and indiferente' persona is left by the wayside - for the moment.
This clip should be titled 'Toby takes the lead'. He connects everything and everybody even Josh. And then that emotional moment of joy about the twins. A true work of art.
Richard Schiff is amazing in this scene. Because what they - and we - don't know is he's still continuously debating proposing to Andy and it's just continuously playing in his head what could happen - him marrying Andy, them building a new life together with the twins, possibly more children. Then it all goes topside.
I think the 2nd ever episode I watched (the 1st being the one with the debate about pharmaceutical companies charging over the going rate for HIV medicine) was the Season 1 finale. Toby was immediately my favourite character... he's an Eeyore! But when he does express emotion, it's absolutely heartbreaking. When he sees that Josh has been shot, when Andie won't marry him again... they're some of the only times he displays anything resembling a smile!
I really love Josh's "mazel tov" to Toby. It's super poignant and important, with them both being Jewish. Added bonus: Will says "mazel tov" as well - don't know if his character is Jewish but Josh Malina is, so it's really heartfelt.
I think it was in this episode that when Toby tells leo that the president need to recused himself by saying that he just meet his kids and is ready to napalm the nation parks to saved his kids
Love the relationship shared by Toby and CJ. Goes all the way back to the day when he went to her house to hire her for the Bartlet for America campaign! I feel that's why CJ kinda was pushing for Jed to give him a presidential pardon in the last episode
I have the series on dvd: haven’t watched for a couple of years. This reminds me how excellent it was... & is. If the same quality of total production could be repeated, now would a very interesting place to start with?
Can't do the Presidency again. They tried with the Secretary of State but the bar was too high to reach. Maybe the head of the Joint Chiefs of the Military? Juggling military power and civilian control? BTW, I think I love General Millay, our current head of the JC. (I can never remember what that position is called.)
I have been watching clips... well written well acted... in love with CJ and Bartlett was a thoughtful decisive president... that being said... the characters were often arrogant (which i suppose comes with the job) and condescending. Still i expect the mechanitions of politics in the show are probably very much as it is in the actual political world.
All those stutters and pauses when Toby tells them about his babies - none of it was in the script - ALL of it down to Ricard Schiff. Huck and Molly would be about 21 now.
Ughhh why doe they all take it so personal & overly emotional seriously. The only time toby acts like a rational human especially in this situation is when he finally admits bartlett needs to step aside... even though toby is as much against it as josh. They are no way affected by the events of what happened yet they all act like their parent died..... Real people can put aside emotions & power through nurses & doctors do it all the time deal with the now & then when you have a chance in private or at home alone you can act like something happened to a family member yet that isnt a family member or that you know what it's like when it is a family member. That's another thing they all act like it's happening to their child or parent which it's not & acting like they know what the family is going through. Its like someone going though their kid being killed in combat yet people who have never been to combat or experienced that let alone experienced losing someone to combat trying to relate to the people who did.
the vice presidency was vacant at that time, Hoynes had been forced to resign due to a scandal, thats why the next person in line of succession after invoking the 25th was the Speaker of the house
Once upon a time, Huck may have been a great name for a boy, but today that fictional child would grow up being mercilessly teased & called F*ck. Might as well name him Sue (Johhny Cash)... Well, maybe that’s why Toby did it.
There was a memorable scene where Toby sees Molly and Huck for rhe first time and he says to Huck, " Your mother thinks life doesnt offers enought challenges.
@@nikunjdixit1175 I'm not sure he means that in necessarily a bad way. It's unprofessional because they shrug off their responsibility for a moment and... share a moment of bittersweet bliss.
@@AudioArcturia Well if he's saying he would love for Jed or Abby to walk in during this scene, he probably means it in a bad way, given the circumstances they were in.
This is honestly the stupidest scene in The West Wing to me. If there was ever a time they shouldn’t give a shit about each other’s personal lives it’s then.
That’s a little uncalled for don’t you think? Toby telling them about the brith of his twins gave them something to take their minds off of the situation they were in at the time. Try to have a heart for people.
I'd love this show to come back tackling 2020 issues and doing so from the perspective of a center right Republican administration...but the thing is Hollywood of 2020 wouldn't be able to write a nuanced conservative to save their life.
the way he gets choked up when he says “andy had the babies” he is fucking incredible
imho Schiff routinely gave top notch performances in this show.
The small gesture from CJ and Toby trying to keep it together makes me tear up every time. Those two have such a special relationship.
Lump in my throat Every Time!
Such a sweet gesture!
Agreed. That’s a master class right there in five seconds
why just shows their immaturity & naivety especially regarding the positions they hold in government. they act like typical people who live in fake worlds or fake reality & then something happens some what close by & suddenly they feel just as much a victim as actual victims & shocked by what reality really is.
You're not alone.
One of the greatest things about this show is how all the characters interact. There’s something genuine about them. Just the way Josh walks up to Toby and hugs him and says “Mazel Tov” is sentiment to how they feel about each other.
The fact Allison Janney can make us all love CJ the way we do and then play a believable washed-up drunk on Mom is amazing.
I sometimes forget they're played by the same person.
This was a role of a lifetime. She’s an amazingly talented actress.
I mean she has an Oscar for how well she makes you hate her in I, Tonya
She is an incredible actor but I hate that she lowered herself to such a trashy, albeit funny, role.
@@romeogolf4 well this is one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever heard
Many people say that this show should come back, but I think it was one of those moments in time where the actors, the scriptwriting and all the production talent made this show so brilliant and unique. And like most brilliant moments in life, it's almost impossible to repeat them.
TWW was lightning in a bottle. Trying to recapture it would be futile.
This exactly what I said on the West Wing reddit. Show was magic even in the weaker seasons it was still amazing. Trying to repeat that is impossible. I would rather just rewatch the series as is then add a season that just isn’t up to par.
Someone should be trying. Not under the West Wing name, but there should be new attempts to capture inspiring, realistic politics in a genuine, heartfelt drama as devoid of fantasy as possible. There should be a new attempt every year that a successful attempt is not on the air.
sorry you can't go back, it was a amazing ride while it was.
Well now, I beg to differ! :) Much of this show is populated with people who also have experience on the legit stage, where revivals can often shed light even on the most oft-revived. If you cast experienced theater thespians, you just *might* get an experience that’s different but just as worthy as the original.
I mean, I’ve seen SWEENEY TODD done by several different production companies over the years and though it’s a script I’ve basically memorized, having worked on two productions two decades apart, the choices made by different combo of actors, directors, etc. shed new light *every* time.
0:22
"Youve got a hundred phone message."
"I want them to stay in your hand for a moment."
I love the way Toby phrases things.
Obviously, there are hundreds of amazing scenes from this perfect show. This might be the most complex and powerful scene of all. These actors are giving us characters who are simultaneously freaked out personally for a friend and his family, while professionally dealing with a crisis we can barely imagine. THEN, throw in the personal joy of twins being born - but that's so perfectly teetering on the brink given the crisis they're all dealing with. Every emotion is so perfectly written and displayed here. There's not an ounce of wasted movement, dialogue, expression, etc. Perfection.
“Where have you been?!?”
“I’m not repeating all that again.”
God, Richard owns this scene, every second of it.
Repeating and again in the same sentence is redundant. The White House Communications Director would never had said that. This show had terrible writing!
@@bdub8522 It may not be real, but this isn't real.. is it? I mean.. it stays a work of fiction.
@@Dewebje it’s all fake
@@bdub8522 that's the meaning of the word fiction.
@@Dewebje bad fiction
Those last few seconds, you can see Toby's failing to contain his fear. He knows exactly now what it feels like to be terrified to have your children taken away. How he says later that he'd do anything to get them back was his most passionate moment as a new father.
Plus when he realized the true depths of a father’s love when he watched the home video of Bartlet wiping Zoey’s mouth the way he just did Huck’s a second before. He knew what he, a private citizen, was capable of if someone hurt his child, let alone the man with the nuclear football. The nuance of the acting and slight subtle details in this show was just unmatched.
Toby’s “yeah, this is sweet but stop making me be mushy” squirm is the best.
Richard Schiff is God's gift to acting. And to humanity.
geniusfollower - well...let's not get carried away.
He's just an actor - not Gandhi.
@@McRocket .....
As if Gandhi was anything important.
The nonverbal stuff Schiff does. Blows my mind.
Yeah the mannerisms he carries on through the whole show.. it’s the best performance on west wing for anyone paying attention
@@nothingnewtome1agreed!
he got choked cus it was the first time that he said out loud 'Andy had baby'. what a brilliant acting
It is, but also it's Toby's character acting against what everyone expects him to be. He is clearly so delighted with the news of the twins and is desperate for his FRIENDS to congratulate him. The 'nasty and indiferente' persona is left by the wayside - for the moment.
Finally saw Toby Ziegler, the Squidward of the Bartlet White House smile and look so happy because he's a Dad to twins. :D
That one bit everyone in that room needed right then, after all the boulders that got dropped on them. And I love the name Huck.
This clip should be titled 'Toby takes the lead'. He connects everything and everybody even Josh. And then that emotional moment of joy about the twins. A true work of art.
2:05 that little moment is a work of art
Right 🥹
Right 🥹
Richard Schiff is amazing in this scene. Because what they - and we - don't know is he's still continuously debating proposing to Andy and it's just continuously playing in his head what could happen - him marrying Andy, them building a new life together with the twins, possibly more children. Then it all goes topside.
He’s great in some scenes. Hard to get behind him being amazing in some lol
Richard Schiff is straight up one of the best actors who ever lived
Richard Schiff is such an amazing actor
This is one of the most touching scenes on this great show.
Toby the normally grouchy character bringing a ray of sunshine in I'm pretty sure the admins darkest time. Wonderful.
the GREATEST show in the h i s t o r y of television.
another little piece of great acting and tv show. long live TWW
So sweet. A great, great show.
Wow, what a contradiction.
The pure joy of becoming a Parent vs. the President's child being kidnapped on the same day.
I think the 2nd ever episode I watched (the 1st being the one with the debate about pharmaceutical companies charging over the going rate for HIV medicine) was the Season 1 finale. Toby was immediately my favourite character... he's an Eeyore! But when he does express emotion, it's absolutely heartbreaking. When he sees that Josh has been shot, when Andie won't marry him again... they're some of the only times he displays anything resembling a smile!
I miss them all so, so much.
love this show
Another brilliant scene is a series with many of them
Three minutes...tears in my eyes...
I really love Josh's "mazel tov" to Toby. It's super poignant and important, with them both being Jewish. Added bonus: Will says "mazel tov" as well - don't know if his character is Jewish but Josh Malina is, so it's really heartfelt.
I think it was in this episode that when Toby tells leo that the president need to recused himself by saying that he just meet his kids and is ready to napalm the nation parks to saved his kids
Yeah and bomb the freaking mecca-thats another qoute idk if it is from this episode but this genral time in the admin
Yeah, I wish I could find that clip.
Love this scene!!
Nobody realizes what an incredible actor Schiff is......
Please bring this show back!!!
Allison Janney is a great actress. She makes us think that C.J. thinks Huck is a great name for a boy.
It is!
Meanwhile, Toby tells Huck at the hospital “Obviously your mother doesn’t think life presents enough challenges.”
god, Richard Schiff is such a genius.
Love the relationship shared by Toby and CJ. Goes all the way back to the day when he went to her house to hire her for the Bartlet for America campaign! I feel that's why CJ kinda was pushing for Jed to give him a presidential pardon in the last episode
I have the series on dvd: haven’t watched for a couple of years. This reminds me how excellent it was... & is. If the same quality of total production could be repeated, now would a very interesting place to start with?
Could you please upload them on a torrent site?!🤪
Can't do the Presidency again. They tried with the Secretary of State but the bar was too high to reach. Maybe the head of the Joint Chiefs of the Military? Juggling military power and civilian control?
BTW, I think I love General Millay, our current head of the JC. (I can never remember what that position is called.)
the facial expressions of Schiff from full on business to btw i had the twins, i am dad now ! this guy is a legend
Huck Zeigler sounds like a great sports writer/columnist.
one of the better espiodes
Wow! Just ... Wow!
I love you Toby
Fantastic ensemble cast and the scene did NOT include John Spencer, Martin Sheen, Janel Maloney, Rob Lowe, Stockard Channing, Dulé Hill.
I know it is tantamount to sacrilege to say this, but Toby would've been an outstanding Chief of Staff.
Yes.
If he knew defense and foreign policy as good as Leo Toby would be an amazing Chief of Staff
How do you share one of your life’s greatest joys when the nation is facing one of the greatest (meant only in size level) fears?
I forget, was this before or after Josh and Toby fist fought in his office?
Before. Well before.
I don't want anyone in my government that WOUDLN'T take a moment to celebrate a birth. And NO, I don't care what else is going on.
Very good!!!
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I have been watching clips... well written well acted... in love with CJ and Bartlett was a thoughtful decisive president... that being said... the characters were often arrogant (which i suppose comes with the job) and condescending. Still i expect the mechanitions of politics in the show are probably very much as it is in the actual political world.
Some of the best writing ever, most talented cast. Wish someone was doing work thisa good today.
The later scene where they tell the name of the girl is used to sus out replicants from humans
Huck is a great name for a boy
All those stutters and pauses when Toby tells them about his babies - none of it was in the script - ALL of it down to Ricard Schiff. Huck and Molly would be about 21 now.
where, not 'were'
Fix'd. :)
' mazzeltov'
Hawk tuah
Ughhh why doe they all take it so personal & overly emotional seriously. The only time toby acts like a rational human especially in this situation is when he finally admits bartlett needs to step aside... even though toby is as much against it as josh. They are no way affected by the events of what happened yet they all act like their parent died..... Real people can put aside emotions & power through nurses & doctors do it all the time deal with the now & then when you have a chance in private or at home alone you can act like something happened to a family member yet that isnt a family member or that you know what it's like when it is a family member. That's another thing they all act like it's happening to their child or parent which it's not & acting like they know what the family is going through. Its like someone going though their kid being killed in combat yet people who have never been to combat or experienced that let alone experienced losing someone to combat trying to relate to the people who did.
This is good/ But ....with all this "You do this , and I will do that.", where's the Vice President? Shouldn't he be involved in this?
the vice presidency was vacant at that time, Hoynes had been forced to resign due to a scandal, thats why the next person in line of succession after invoking the 25th was the Speaker of the house
Ginger is badd.
It took Sorkin leaving for the writing to get human
This is still Sorkin. Actually, the last episode from him.
Once upon a time, Huck may have been a great name for a boy, but today that fictional child would grow up being mercilessly teased & called F*ck. Might as well name him Sue (Johhny Cash)... Well, maybe that’s why Toby did it.
There was a memorable scene where Toby sees Molly and Huck for rhe first time and he says to Huck, " Your mother thinks life doesnt offers enought challenges.
Still quite a few Hucks in elementary classrooms.
Huck is literally the worst name they could have possibly chosen 😅 this seems like a parody.
Most unprofessional scene in the show thus far.
I’d love for Jed or Abby to walk in during this scene. 😄
How is it unprofessional? Its welcoming to have some good news when everything around you is bad.
@@nikunjdixit1175 I'm not sure he means that in necessarily a bad way. It's unprofessional because they shrug off their responsibility for a moment and... share a moment of bittersweet bliss.
@@AudioArcturia Well if he's saying he would love for Jed or Abby to walk in during this scene, he probably means it in a bad way, given the circumstances they were in.
This is honestly the stupidest scene in The West Wing to me.
If there was ever a time they shouldn’t give a shit about each other’s personal lives it’s then.
That’s a little uncalled for don’t you think? Toby telling them about the brith of his twins gave them something to take their minds off of the situation they were in at the time. Try to have a heart for people.
They are not robots, you know?
I can’t stand democrats, but damn this was a good series.
I'd love this show to come back tackling 2020 issues and doing so from the perspective of a center right Republican administration...but the thing is Hollywood of 2020 wouldn't be able to write a nuanced conservative to save their life.
@@TheSilverPhoenix100 (rolleyes) The entire GOP now is nothing but a hypocritical hate-filled Cult.
Toby’s character was a waste of tape.
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