I I corporates "that's horseshit" into my heckling repertoire at college basketball games this season, and we are looking like we are going to win the conference for the first time in a decade. I know correlation does not equal causation, but that is some mighty fine correlation right there.
For anyone wondering, final score was Cavs 102 Hornets 101. This probably would've been a waaaaaay bigger deal if the scores were flipped and they ended up losing by one lol
To me, part of the problem is refs have this unwritten rule where they back each other up to look like a United strong front. That way no one player can single out a ref and try to change their mind. The crew backs them up even if they are wrong.
@@anonymousperson3023 Take the NFL for example in 2020 or 2019 the NFL added the option for coaches to challenge PI calls (something that wasn't possible before giving that it was always a judgement call) but Alberto Riveron (an official) decided "nah, fuck that, i won't allow the coaches and fans to see us as idiots for messing up calls and being able to challenge our decisions" so pretty much every game he was in he always defended his fellow referees every time they called pass interference and a coach challenge it he would ""review"" the play and even after a bad PI call he would let that stand and coaches were like "well fuck so what's the point of this addition if this fucker will just defend the calls of his fellow referees and won't give us the call" so the coaches stopped challenging the call cause it was a waste of a time out and NFL removed the rule the year after
To be fair, it is important for a refereeing team in any sport to look like a cohesive unit. The problem is unlike grassroots refereeing like I’ll do on the soccer field, these guys are at the pro level and have replay they can use in situations like these. It’s always better at any level of refereeing to get the call right, even if it takes a little confusion to get there
@@ninjamage5215 Yes cohesion is good...if they are trying to get the call right. I don't know if they even watched the replay but this was one easy one to get right, and they didn't try. They just backed him up.
They didn't say bad officiating.. just said Cavs stole one.. they were right about the refs missing a hold from Okoro on Hayward on the rebound.. I think when they put the clock at 1.2 Love wasn't shooting, if they put it at .8 then he was in the motion.. and they also thought Allen fouled on the last oop attempt then in replay said they were good with the no call.. they actually weren't bad besides saying Cavs stole one
You absolutely can not convince me refs don’t bet on games. Kept that spread nice and tight haha. Nice cover ignoring Hayward getting absolutely mauled grabbing the rebound on the 2nd to last possession
The guy that got busted (Tim something or other) spilled how it works, and no, they don't bet on games. They rig the odds and take a cut. The league comes in with film from previous games and tells the refs what they would like see called more/less. Things like, if a particular player has been getting roughed up in the paint, the league will tell the crew to call more fouls when they're getting in that players face. So Tim knew that player was going to have a great night, so he would call the bookie, who would then set their betting odds based on this insider information and give Tim a cut for the info. It doesn't make it any better, obviously that will have a massive impact on how you officiate the games... but a lot of it is on the league too for how they communicate with the officials, it gives them covert for these sorts of things. "Well, the league came in and said we need to police fouls in the paint more and call travels on Kobe".
@@adamleblanc5294 wrong you are my friend. Here’s the information from USA vs DONAGHY case file in the public domain under article 26 section II “factual information” A “the pleas”. There was a lot to this case that many people never understood as the focus was mainly on the tail end of his gambling so that’s understandable but it’s been proven beyond any doubt he was wagering on games prior what I think you have alluded to broadly: “ For thirteen years, up to and including the 2006-07 season, Donaghy was an NBA referee. During the 2003-04 season, Do- naghy began to provide betting recommen- dations, or ‘‘picks,’’ for NBA games, in- cluding games he officiated, to his friend, Jack Concannon. These bets were then placed by Concannon, on behalf of him and Donaghy, with a bookmaking service. Concannon, in an effort to conceal Dona- ghy’s involvement, represented to the ser- vice that he was betting alone. The scheme between Donaghy and Concannon continued until November 2006,1 during which time the two men placed bets on approximately 30 to 40 games annually. Eventually, Concannon failed in his ef- forts to prevent Donaghy’s gambling activ- ity from being discovered. In December of 2006, defendants James Battista and Thomas Martino approached Donaghy and informed him that they were aware that he had been placing bets on NBA games, including games he had refereed. Battista proposed an arrangement whereby Dona- ghy would provide picks on NBA games to Battista through Martino. In making these picks, Donaghy was to utilize his access to certain non-public information, including the identity of officiating crews for upcoming games, the interactions be- tween certain referees and team person- nel, and the physical condition of certain players. Rather than betting his own money as he had done with Concannon, Donaghy would simply be paid a fee by Battista through Martino for a correct pick. Martino would often deliver the cash payments. Concannon was not a part of this arrangement.”
I’m convinced the refs have fixed games and still do. When David Stern (RIP) had that smug look on his face when he said Donaghy was lying, that told me enough. Donaghy was also very specific on how the refs were told to fix games by the NBA execs and how they went about it. Then when you go back and watch games that he didn’t ref, you can see what he described in action. It all seems to be too much of a coincidence. I feel like it happens in other pro sports also, just none of the refs or umpires have been caught yet.
The thing is if you punish an NBA ref, he goes somewhere else, because hes one of the best in the world. Alternatively, NBA role players are a dime a dozen, you can go to a 3rd stringer on an NFL team and get him to play a role. So when you are committing techs by jumping up off the bench and then flagrants for fouling your opponent after the whistle, it doesnt matter to me as a coach how the public views the play, the Cavs got away with one here. The Hornets shouldve been shooting free throws for days, no less than 6 for 2 ts and 2 flagrants, and probably a few extra ts. If you stood up on the bench, it's a potential T. If you fouled or attempted to foul a player during a dead ball it's a flagrant 1. Techs are 1 and flagrants are 2. Maybe the fans should all be severely punished for not knowing the game while they violently threaten referees.
Its not a bad call, it's a complicated situation. Nobody here mentioned that if you leave your bench it's a T, if you foul someone during a dead ball, it's an additional 2 shots and possession, aka hack a Shaq. People always presume that the calls are obvious and that they know reffing procedure, but it's usually not that simple. It would be as easy as one ref telling another that he gets 3, meaning 3 free throws, which would be the absolute bare minimum. Really he should have 6, 2 ts and 2 flagrants. So ref b mistranslated that because he didnt realize there was a foul after the play, but knew there was a 3 after ref as whistle, so he presumes it was either inadvertent or part of the play. Meanwhile, all coaches and players are too confused to relay an accurate portrayal, ref a thinks he was clear, and then ref b figures that he'll just let ref a take the fall when really its red b who is in the process of screwing over the entire game. So basically nobody got it right, even ref a, who didnt manage to get the score corrected. In reality, we shouldve seen a lot of free throws, a lot of players being assigned ts, and the Cavs learning that you never, ever, under any circumstances, touch an opposing player during a dead ball. The fact that nobody here noticed that glaring fact shows that most people dont know what the rules of commons sports are. That's not a new thing either, the stand up rule is like a decade old and the fouling during a dead ball is from pre Jordan era. I'm not defending anyone here, just pointing out that based on the rules, the issue wasnt the 3 points being counted, it was with many techs not being assessed. It's like a fight breaks out, and people are complaining that they counted the layup as a continuation when he clearly hadnt gathered yet. It's just not the important part of the missed sequence.
That's not a miscommunication. That was a shortened communication when it was absolutely clear that more communication was needed. Stop worrying about the feelings of your crewmates and focus on GETTING THE CALL RIGHT. Y'know, the only thing important in YOUR JOB! I am a ref supporter more often than not, but this was absolutely embarrassing for a pro crew.
No more communication is needed when one ref says to the other that the touch came before the whistle. There is no reason for the ref that didn't see either side to not believe what the other is saying, even if there is doubt. Lying is a form of miscommunication, and perhaps an "Are you sure??" could've helped, but what was needed at that point was a replay.
It seems to me that a review of the tape would be called for in this situation. With all of the cameras going they should have been able to figure out when the ball was tossed out of bounds and when the shot was taken. If such a large group of people are saying the same thing, the refs should have taken a step back and reconsidered what they think they saw.
Well you don't have to be a fan to call bs cause if this happens here it can happen to any team from dumb mistakes at the professional level and yet the ref are allowed to get away even in baseball umpires can call a strike when the ball hit the dirt and they have no worries that has to change
It's an absurd embarassment that the baseline ref didn't correct his partner who didn't hear the whistle. The baseline ref knew the play was dead and protected his partner for no reason and said "his call, don't know what's going on".
The thing that blows my mind about this is, wouldn’t common sense indicate that if his foot is out of bounds while touching the ball and after that the ball is fished out to the 3 point line indicate to you that the shot clearly happened after the whistle was blown?
This is a situation in which the referee crew needs to be fined or suspended or something. You can't have your guys blatantly disregarding the rules for the sake of pride.
They are…in private. It’s not reported, but when a call like this is made and they fuck up a ruling, I can guarantee that that entire crew got a very angry phone call from the NBA supervisor of Officials, and it hurt their schedule and post season chances. You literally just don’t hear about it
@@crashb133 and? Thats like saying in hockey on an offside if the guy keeps skating guys on the bench should jump the boards and hook him down. Refs were wrong but so were the bench players.
i was at this game as a Cavs fan. i was totally puzzled, but none of the charlotte fans thought it was a bad call. there was no communication really. they didn’t show the replay
@@rocker0304 You can barely tell with replay that he touched it while out of bounds...the only real thing they have to go with is a whistle (which there was one) and the shot came after the whistle which is why the cavs bench guys even did what they did. But the other official I guess didn't hear a damn thing, and was focused on the ball and I suppose also didn't notice that everyone sorta stopped playing.
@@danielhoang289 you can see everybody in the game stop moving and the ref blowing his whistle and putting his hand up for out of bounds, which means the play is dead
The thing with JB Bickerstaff is that he's so loud during every game that you don't even need to read lips lmao. You can literally always hear him yelling during live broadcasts and he says some outlandish shit. One of my favorite coaches now by far
Watching this I'm reminded of Luke Peirce's (rugby referee) reaction to making a bad call a few years ago: "Fellas it's very obvious I made a mistake there, we're all human, we all make them so that call will be reversed and we'll get on with the game." Having an official willing to admit they sometimes get stuff wrong and working to correct it doesn't undermine their authority. It reinforces it because the players then find it easier to trust their judgement. Something for the NBA to ponder.
But knowing the call is wrong isn't easy to tell. The ref who called the touching on the three seems to have said it happened before the out of bounce whistle. Without being able to review it (I don't know if NBA rules allow that call to be reviewed), it's not that simple to know. Refs can't see the entire court at once which is why there are 3 refs.
@@catman-du8927 It should be obvious. Ref 1 blows the play dead, a second passes. then ref 2 blows the for the foul. All ref 1 has to have the balls to just tell the other guy I blew it dead first. no foul. Everything in this tells me Ref 1 pussy'd out of his own call. The point of the whistle is that you don't HAVE to see everything.
They didn't work to correct it. They just said, "Hey, too bad. You're fucked." The NBA league office might, if they're feeling very generous, rescind the technical foul. More likely, they'll fine the dude and count it toward a potential suspension.
@@Wessssss21 It should only be obvious if the first ref saw the touching. The play isn't dead when the guy steps out of bounds. It's dead when the whistle blows
That part is comedy gold. The whole build-up of everyone explaining what's wrong and then him urging to have the floor only to say "that's what Marat had." I wish he had said "that's what she said" Michael Scott style.
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I have never understood that part of a lot of pro sports officiating that's like, "no no no, you don't understand; that guy already blew the whistle, and made the arm motions. There's absolutely nothing we can do now! We have to just live with it, and move on!"
Individuals who get angry over their preferred millionaire sportballers losing to their non-preferred millionaire sportballers are literal subhumans. Get a ****ing life.
I think this whole play probably comes from the part of reffing where they say “even if one ref is wrong back them up like they’re right to establish that you’re in charge” which is the biggest bullshit idea of all time. If you’re wrong you’re wrong and everyone will respect you more if you admit you made a bad call in the heat of the moment.
It's an absurd embarassment that the baseline ref didn't correct his partner who didn't hear the whistle. The baseline ref knew the play was dead, knew the final result was not accurate, and protected his partner for no reason and said "his call, don't know what's going on".
@@anonymousperson3023 what’s the point of replay if you’re staring at the right decision, stand by your wrong decision, only to later admit after the game that you should’ve changed your decision? Refs across the board need to tighten up. It’s almost laughable how bad they’re getting at this point, even with replay at their disposal.
@@purityisastateofmind7439 The problem with this is the players argue every single whistle saying that the refs are wrong. It's quite possible that in the confusion of all of this that the initial ref wasn't sure which whistle happened first. It's an easy thing that happens to all of us. The difference is that the rest of us don't have cameras watching our every move.
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If he was controlling his bench, they wouldnt be acting like children and messing with the "practice shot". If NBA players acted like adults, instead of man-children all the time, this doesnt happen.
@@fomori2 Players mess with each other all the time. This was 100% all on the refs. Literally no one on the bench did anything wrong, which the refs literally also said after the game. Get the hell out of here.
@@DisrespectfulRob What point was it exactly? His point was that it was the coach and player's fault they got a tech. Mine was that they did nothing to deserve a tech, which is exactly what the refs admitted to as well after the game. Now tell me, what point did I reinforce?
@@DisrespectfulRob Players could, and should act more professional. But, my point was that they are just players in a game. They will tend to goof off... The coach did well at controlling them as soon as he noticed an issue. That is his job. I concede that he "could" have been better at creating a culture that wouldn't have gotten the first technical foul at all... but technically, that shouldn't have been called at all. He did well at recognizing the situation, and putting his players out of the picture while arguing his case.
How could there have been any confusion? If the ball was out of bounds, how could the ref who saw the ball and called it out of bounds possibly even have an inkling of doubt weather or not the shot came afterwards… My dude, YOU SAW THE BALL.
The play isn't dead until the whistle, and there was a gap inbetween him seeing it and him blowing the whistle, then when the hornets player is shooting the three you can see that the ref is looking away from the court. He asked the second ref if the shot was before his whistle and he said yeah. I dont think this on the crew chief, its on marat for just not hearing the whistle I guess?
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I watched this game and when the Cavs won off Loves free throws at the end of the game the hornets announcers acted like the Cavs stole the game even though this happened
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Yes, but I'd be willing to bet that the Hornets announcers didn't immediately go into their menstrual period, like the Boston Bruins announcers do. #JackEdwardsSucks #AndyBrickleyIsNoBetter
The leagues have rules around what can and can't be reviewed so that games aren't dragged on. It's why the NBA got rid of the rule about the officials initiating reviews the last minute of a half. With the old rules the last minute would often have 3 or 4 replays. They would get the calls right (99% of the time) with those replays but the games weren't any fun to watch. The professional sports leagues are in the business of making as much money as possible. If having to use a bunch of replays to get things right causes fans to become bored and tune out then it is better to just get the calls wrong.
@@krayzy932 There are a lot of people who would argue that it's more profitable for them to get the calls right, especially for the teams themselves. If your team gets shafted by a call during a playoff push, that can end a championship run (think Saints-Rams no-call from like 5 years ago in the NFC championship game). Winning a championship is super profitable and just hoping it doesn't happen to you is not exactly a great strategy.
@@andrewb378 While I get what you're saying, that blown call in the Saints - Rams game didn't cost the NFL any fans. At least not an amount that would affect the NFL's bottom line. A bunch of reviews slowing down blowout games does though.
@@krayzy932 I absolutely get it but they still talked over this play for a while and it slowed the game down for a good few minutes, all while getting it terribly wrong. I agree with u that too many replays suck but if they’re gonna take forever to figure it out might as well go to the monitor
Steve, remember the Timberwolves foul when Kevin love got killed with no time left and it was left uncalled. Would have been hilarious if history would have repeat itself
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Yes, this affected the spread. I took the Cavs -4.5 in live betting in the 3rd quarter. The Cavs were up 10 when this play happened and controlling the game. Things came unraveled after this. The Cavs only won by one. I lost $500 (yes, I'm a degenerate.). I will be pissed about this to my grave. To my grave.
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Jomboy could teach a Masterclass on lip reading. Seriously, to get all of those lines by each person involved cut up like that is beyond good. We take it for granted too often, so consider this a thousand thanks for bringing us some top tier sports entertainment 🙏🏼
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@@catman-du8927 This is false. If the referee intended to blow the play dead, but fails to do so for whatever reason (drops the whistle, clear brain fart, etc), the play is still blown dead, and you don't get free shots at the basket before the delayed whistle. The play is dead when the referee says it's dead, not when the whistle eventually comes out. Anyway, it's a moot point, because the whistle very obviously came before the shot. And even if it didn't, the ball went out of bounds, and the referee knew it went out of bounds, and intended to blow the play dead. They fucked up, and admitted such after the game.
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Watched this happen live as cavs fan I was losing my mind never seen a call like this. Ended up still winning still so it didn’t matter but crazy that this happened.
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Holy crap! I went to high school with Brian Forte. He claimed his dad was an NBA ref, and we didn't believe him (no Google back in the early 90s, kids). Small world. Still a shitty series of calls.
I’m definitely not a basketball expert but it seems to me that the technical should have still been given. I don’t think bench players are allowed to reach into the court and touch the opponents, even if the ball is dead. The three points awarded is what baffles me.
I don't believe it's against the rules for a player on the bench to touch a player on the court as long as there isn't a live play going on. I remember seeing a play where JR Smith went over to the opposing bench to slap 5s during a live play and left his man wide open for a basket. No one did anything but laugh lmao
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@@bigsquatch40 There's a big difference between a active player touching the bench players and the bench players touching an active player. One is a boneheaded move the other is clearly an infraction.
OK, how about this situation: A play is dead but someone threw the ball up. It's going right for the head of a Hornets player who is not looking. A Cavs bench player sees this and pulls the Hornets player to the side, saving him. Do you give the Cavs player a technical? The play is dead, he's on the bench, but he influenced the game in a physical manner. This theoretical example is more physical influence and contact than in the video here. Is it a technical?
1:30 LMAO his body language is hilarious. He delivered those gestures like an interpretive dancer. "I NAILED THIS SUPER RARE CALL and I am gonna SHOW EM WHAT I GOT, HONEY!!"
Lmaooo “and the other coach look at his lips” *zooms in on lips licking* “he’s thinking this is good for us” that was hilarious especially because he just said it like so seriously
The problem is that there's absolutely ZERO accountability for sports officials. With all the cameras now it's impossible NOT to get a call right, but these guys have so much pride that they make these unbelievable calls with no punishment.
How does the ref that called out of bounds not know the sequence of events? Was he not watching the play? There was a three at the top of the key, and then the ball was out of bounds. Does he think the other ref saw someone from the bench touch the shooter at the top of the key in the middle of the court?
eh, he was furthest from the play and just following the ball. The entire thing could have been avoided if the bench had kept their hands to themselves. Where do they get off touching a player on the court.
@@russellv6234 where does the player on the court get off on shooting after the whistle? Player wants that practice shot to see the ball go in, other team doesn't want to give that to them. It's all a bunch of nothing that the refs turned into something.
@@russellv6234 I didn't say it doesn't happen all the time? I was just using your logic to justify the other side of the situation. It all could be avoided if the player doesn't shoot after the whistle...? Are the players are just supposed to get free practice shots in the 4th quarter, but no one is allowed to contest the shot? I know "players do it literally every game", and just as often the other team is goaltending the shot so the shooter doesn't see the ball go in.
Sounds like the call wasn't exactly right HOWEVER I absolutely believe the Cleveland bench should have been assessed a technical. You can't have people on the bench touching players or even getting in their face on the court ... even IF the whistle did blow the play dead, if you're on the bench, you're on the bench just as much as a fan. You can't influence the game in any physical sense until you get in the game.
OK, how about this situation: A play is dead but someone threw the ball up. It's going right for the head of a Hornets player who is not looking. A Cavs bench player sees this and pulls the Hornets player to the side, saving him. Do you give the Cavs player a technical? The play is dead, he's on the bench, but he influenced the game in a physical manner. This theoretical example is more physical influence and contact than in the video here. Is it a technical?
People talking about the bench players like it’s such a problem lol have you ever played or watched sports?! lmfao you can’t get T’d up for a rule about a dead play that doesn’t exist.
@@clkou omg dude, I know that! I’m talking about touching players or walkin on the court from the bench during a dead ball. No rule to enforce for the tech.
I just don't get how this can ever be allowed to stand. How is it that they are so untouchable that they're not liable to explain their decision for a weird situation right there, on the spot, so that they realize where they fucked up? This is just beyond comprehension. So demeaning to be a top athlete and to be this powerless over such simple things.
I don't watch the NBA so I don't know all the rules, but I would be willing to bet it's not a reviewable call. Like pass interference in the NFL or balls and strikes in baseball. I'm not sure why a technical wouldn't be reviewable since it's basically the worst penalty you can get that isn't an ejection, but pass interference is often the worst penalty you can get in american football and that's not reviewable so idk
How much are you willing to pay to see that happen? It costs about 3-4 thousand dollars to ref a basketball game. You're still gonna need to pay at least one ref a full salary just to interpret what the computers say, and they're gonna expect the same amount of money or more. Then you have to pay the team that sets up and maintains all of the equipment. On top of all of that, you have to pay for the hardware, the software, the design, and the upgrades and rewrites every time there's a rule change. They're not gonna take the extra money out of the league's profits, they're gonna take it out on the fans.
I've seen similar things happen a lot. And I figured eventually this would happen. Plays dead and they immediately fuck around with eachother like... it's okay... I'm thinking, "little too close to the whistle guys...". People like Steph likes getting freebies and dudes like KG don't like seeing the Opp hitting shots when it's over. So this happens a lot... finally, it actually becomes a problem in a game. They're young guys though... lot of energy, they're going to fuck around when the play is dead. Refs need a better plan of action because this is a bad look for the league.
The issue is, once ref or especially an ump, makes a call, its absolutely set in stone. I dont understand why the ref or ump that makes that bad call, cant review it and say, hey i made a bad call in the heat of the moment and reverse it to the right call ?
Write that's one of the dumbest things I've read. Plenty of times goals have been reviewed and overturned correctly. The pick didn't cross the goal line completely, went in after time had expired, or went in after the whistle had been blown.
Here's a great idea, if you're on the bench stay in the bench area. Don't walkout and touch. I say this as a Cavs fan but there's too much uncontrolled player activity running on the court. Stay by your seat or sit your ass down.
@@catman-du8927 If it works like other sports the union can object to changes like that because they're taking away from their jobs. Or something. Something about they feel slighted for maybe being called out for making terrible calls.
@@MrXilemo The refs weren't the ones who wanted to limit replay reviews. The league was. Fans at home don't find it enjoyable to watch a bunch of reviews. TV ratings, and money in general, is what drives a majority of the decisions the leagues make.
so AFTER the game the Refs acknowledge how the rules/game are meant to be followed, but one asshole can just dictate and do what he wants DURING the game? yeah i've seen this before in the NBA, and thousands of times in the MLB its almost like there should be a function or way to CHALLENGE shitty reffing.....
@@anonymousperson3023 did the 50 people talking to him, the people upstairs in the recording booth, the announcing crew, and one fucking one else yelling at him all just cease to exist and not matter? it woulda taken 15 seconds for him to think.... hmmm all these people are saying something happened, i didnt see/hear it, maybe i should ASK FUCKING ANYONE? naw, i'll make shit up and check later sounds about right
@@vissermatt1058 so because biased players said something makes it true? There’s a reason that the non biased party isn’t asking for additional information. Imagine how often doing that would go downhill… much more often than this.
"That's what Marat had ..." But you know that *you* blow the whistle long before the shot attempt. Neither the call nor the explanation make sense. Both refs should be suspended for fuck-upery.
I mean, he didn't see the shot attempt. As this ref I would still be confused about why Marat's call came so late after the whistle, but if Marat says it came before the whistle there's no reason not to trust him.
My take: NBA coaches really need to incorporate ‘that’s horseshit’ into their ref argument vocabulary
they'd be ejected and fined for even looking at the ref
@@rjkuef6917 The could yell, “That’s H.S.,” and if questioned about it they could say, “the call was highly specious”.
For some reason that makes me think of Joe West being a basketball ref. Wouldn’t that be an ugly sight.
I I corporates "that's horseshit" into my heckling repertoire at college basketball games this season, and we are looking like we are going to win the conference for the first time in a decade.
I know correlation does not equal causation, but that is some mighty fine correlation right there.
Also have to say “Let’s go!” when there’s a dunk or something equivalent to home run
For anyone wondering, final score was Cavs 102 Hornets 101.
This probably would've been a waaaaaay bigger deal if the scores were flipped and they ended up losing by one lol
Did this happen in the 4th quarter?
@@TDH24Live yes. It totally change the Momento of the game.
@@ralphmiller1391 Is that where they play the game in reverse and try to remember how they got there based on the tattoos they received earlier?
@@ralphmiller1391 You meant to say... wait... dammit, "momento" works too, it's memorable. But the momentum got changed first :)
Am I the only one wishing it had gone Charlotte’s way just to emphasize how bad officiating can be and how inflexibility can determine the game.
To me, part of the problem is refs have this unwritten rule where they back each other up to look like a United strong front. That way no one player can single out a ref and try to change their mind. The crew backs them up even if they are wrong.
How's that a problem? Sure, you'll have events like this but that is better than the alternative
@@anonymousperson3023 Take the NFL for example in 2020 or 2019 the NFL added the option for coaches to challenge PI calls (something that wasn't possible before giving that it was always a judgement call) but Alberto Riveron (an official) decided "nah, fuck that, i won't allow the coaches and fans to see us as idiots for messing up calls and being able to challenge our decisions" so pretty much every game he was in he always defended his fellow referees every time they called pass interference and a coach challenge it he would ""review"" the play and even after a bad PI call he would let that stand and coaches were like "well fuck so what's the point of this addition if this fucker will just defend the calls of his fellow referees and won't give us the call" so the coaches stopped challenging the call cause it was a waste of a time out and NFL removed the rule the year after
To be fair, it is important for a refereeing team in any sport to look like a cohesive unit. The problem is unlike grassroots refereeing like I’ll do on the soccer field, these guys are at the pro level and have replay they can use in situations like these. It’s always better at any level of refereeing to get the call right, even if it takes a little confusion to get there
@@TheRealShiaLabeouf did the Cavs coach already use his ref challenge earlier in the game?
@@ninjamage5215 Yes cohesion is good...if they are trying to get the call right. I don't know if they even watched the replay but this was one easy one to get right, and they didn't try. They just backed him up.
Craziest part of this game was the Hornerts TV announcers claiming the Cavs "stole a win" because of the bad officiating. Absolutely delusional.
Lmfao
That's how bad the officiating in these leagues are lol fake sports
well obviously this crew IS terrible at officiating
Dude that announcing crew is by far the worst in the league. So annoying, constantly screaming incoherently.
They didn't say bad officiating.. just said Cavs stole one.. they were right about the refs missing a hold from Okoro on Hayward on the rebound.. I think when they put the clock at 1.2 Love wasn't shooting, if they put it at .8 then he was in the motion.. and they also thought Allen fouled on the last oop attempt then in replay said they were good with the no call.. they actually weren't bad besides saying Cavs stole one
You know the lip reading is good when Jomboy himself says so.
The only journalist I trust completely. When he says it happened that way, that’s what happened.
The man knows when he performs
Nah, he wouldn’t brag or even comment on his ability. He was saying that there are good unobstructed lips to read.
@@magus3553 e÷÷eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
No.
You absolutely can not convince me refs don’t bet on games. Kept that spread nice and tight haha. Nice cover ignoring Hayward getting absolutely mauled grabbing the rebound on the 2nd to last possession
They do. There crocked nature has been known for years. No one does anything.
The guy that got busted (Tim something or other) spilled how it works, and no, they don't bet on games. They rig the odds and take a cut. The league comes in with film from previous games and tells the refs what they would like see called more/less. Things like, if a particular player has been getting roughed up in the paint, the league will tell the crew to call more fouls when they're getting in that players face. So Tim knew that player was going to have a great night, so he would call the bookie, who would then set their betting odds based on this insider information and give Tim a cut for the info.
It doesn't make it any better, obviously that will have a massive impact on how you officiate the games... but a lot of it is on the league too for how they communicate with the officials, it gives them covert for these sorts of things. "Well, the league came in and said we need to police fouls in the paint more and call travels on Kobe".
@@adamleblanc5294 Donaghy. He dropped some incredible bombs when he got busted
@@adamleblanc5294 wrong you are my friend. Here’s the information from USA vs DONAGHY case file in the public domain under article 26 section II “factual information” A “the pleas”.
There was a lot to this case that many people never understood as the focus was mainly on the tail end of his gambling so that’s understandable but it’s been proven beyond any doubt he was wagering on games prior what I think you have alluded to broadly:
“ For thirteen years, up to and including the 2006-07 season, Donaghy was an NBA referee. During the 2003-04 season, Do- naghy began to provide betting recommen- dations, or ‘‘picks,’’ for NBA games, in- cluding games he officiated, to his friend, Jack Concannon.
These bets were then placed by Concannon, on behalf of him and Donaghy, with a bookmaking service. Concannon, in an effort to conceal Dona- ghy’s involvement, represented to the ser- vice that he was betting alone.
The scheme between Donaghy and Concannon continued until November 2006,1 during which time the two men placed bets on approximately 30 to 40 games annually.
Eventually, Concannon failed in his ef- forts to prevent Donaghy’s gambling activ- ity from being discovered. In December of 2006, defendants James Battista and Thomas Martino approached Donaghy and informed him that they were aware that he had been placing bets on NBA games, including games he had refereed. Battista proposed an arrangement whereby Dona- ghy would provide picks on NBA games to Battista through Martino.
In making these picks, Donaghy was to utilize his access to certain non-public information, including the identity of officiating crews for upcoming games, the interactions be- tween certain referees and team person- nel, and the physical condition of certain players. Rather than betting his own money as he had done with Concannon, Donaghy would simply be paid a fee by Battista through Martino for a correct pick. Martino would often deliver the cash payments. Concannon was not a part of this arrangement.”
I’m convinced the refs have fixed games and still do. When David Stern (RIP) had that smug look on his face when he said Donaghy was lying, that told me enough. Donaghy was also very specific on how the refs were told to fix games by the NBA execs and how they went about it. Then when you go back and watch games that he didn’t ref, you can see what he described in action. It all seems to be too much of a coincidence. I feel like it happens in other pro sports also, just none of the refs or umpires have been caught yet.
Cleveland still won this game for those who wanted to know…
Yeah but if Love didnt hit those free throws at the end, they woulda lost
@@lurobs2677 also what was the spread? its the 4pt swing betters may be mad about
@@fundip12 o/u was 217.5 so the under hit no matter what, and the spread was +6.5 cavs
Thank you, I did.
@@lurobs2677 good to know it was only and purely incompetence.
This almost cost Cleveland the game. This kind of incompetence needs to be severely punished.
Fined, demoted or just plain fired.
lmfao you guys
@@DisrespectfulRob One of them was white though. There goes your little narrative. Wanna call them "thugs" next?
@@B3Band @RobbieJack didn't mention skin color. Only you.
The thing is if you punish an NBA ref, he goes somewhere else, because hes one of the best in the world. Alternatively, NBA role players are a dime a dozen, you can go to a 3rd stringer on an NFL team and get him to play a role. So when you are committing techs by jumping up off the bench and then flagrants for fouling your opponent after the whistle, it doesnt matter to me as a coach how the public views the play, the Cavs got away with one here. The Hornets shouldve been shooting free throws for days, no less than 6 for 2 ts and 2 flagrants, and probably a few extra ts.
If you stood up on the bench, it's a potential T. If you fouled or attempted to foul a player during a dead ball it's a flagrant 1. Techs are 1 and flagrants are 2.
Maybe the fans should all be severely punished for not knowing the game while they violently threaten referees.
You can tell it's a bad call when even the Hornets players are confused about the initial call.
Even the dude that made the shot is confused haha
@@drabacusPlays *took the shot. He didn't make that 3
@@jesnamara6759 spread em!
Its not a bad call, it's a complicated situation. Nobody here mentioned that if you leave your bench it's a T, if you foul someone during a dead ball, it's an additional 2 shots and possession, aka hack a Shaq. People always presume that the calls are obvious and that they know reffing procedure, but it's usually not that simple.
It would be as easy as one ref telling another that he gets 3, meaning 3 free throws, which would be the absolute bare minimum. Really he should have 6, 2 ts and 2 flagrants.
So ref b mistranslated that because he didnt realize there was a foul after the play, but knew there was a 3 after ref as whistle, so he presumes it was either inadvertent or part of the play.
Meanwhile, all coaches and players are too confused to relay an accurate portrayal, ref a thinks he was clear, and then ref b figures that he'll just let ref a take the fall when really its red b who is in the process of screwing over the entire game.
So basically nobody got it right, even ref a, who didnt manage to get the score corrected.
In reality, we shouldve seen a lot of free throws, a lot of players being assigned ts, and the Cavs learning that you never, ever, under any circumstances, touch an opposing player during a dead ball.
The fact that nobody here noticed that glaring fact shows that most people dont know what the rules of commons sports are. That's not a new thing either, the stand up rule is like a decade old and the fouling during a dead ball is from pre Jordan era.
I'm not defending anyone here, just pointing out that based on the rules, the issue wasnt the 3 points being counted, it was with many techs not being assessed. It's like a fight breaks out, and people are complaining that they counted the layup as a continuation when he clearly hadnt gathered yet. It's just not the important part of the missed sequence.
@@davidjohnson8655 it’s a terrible call. One of the worst in NBA history as a matter of fact
When he figures out they gave him the 3 points 😂😂.... priceless
That's not a miscommunication. That was a shortened communication when it was absolutely clear that more communication was needed. Stop worrying about the feelings of your crewmates and focus on GETTING THE CALL RIGHT. Y'know, the only thing important in YOUR JOB! I am a ref supporter more often than not, but this was absolutely embarrassing for a pro crew.
When one coach is talking and the other is silent, you know somebody fucked up a call.
@@markdavis7397 they clearly were talking about the one where he was touched, though.
No more communication is needed when one ref says to the other that the touch came before the whistle. There is no reason for the ref that didn't see either side to not believe what the other is saying, even if there is doubt. Lying is a form of miscommunication, and perhaps an "Are you sure??" could've helped, but what was needed at that point was a replay.
It seems to me that a review of the tape would be called for in this situation. With all of the cameras going they should have been able to figure out when the ball was tossed out of bounds and when the shot was taken. If such a large group of people are saying the same thing, the refs should have taken a step back and reconsidered what they think they saw.
@@BobbySacamano but was the ref deaf? Could he not hear the other ref's whistle? It's like these guys are rec league quality. It's unacceptable.
The voice change for the ref deflecting the issue to the other ref had me dying LMAO
I’m not a fan of either team but even I was mad watching this.
Well you don't have to be a fan to call bs cause if this happens here it can happen to any team from dumb mistakes at the professional level and yet the ref are allowed to get away even in baseball umpires can call a strike when the ball hit the dirt and they have no worries that has to change
It's an absurd embarassment that the baseline ref didn't correct his partner who didn't hear the whistle. The baseline ref knew the play was dead and protected his partner for no reason and said "his call, don't know what's going on".
Im a hornets fan and Im mad
I’m not even a fan of basketball and I was heated
@@БранимирМилошевић This, he's a fucking clown.
The thing that blows my mind about this is, wouldn’t common sense indicate that if his foot is out of bounds while touching the ball and after that the ball is fished out to the 3 point line indicate to you that the shot clearly happened after the whistle was blown?
This is a situation in which the referee crew needs to be fined or suspended or something. You can't have your guys blatantly disregarding the rules for the sake of pride.
Referees have a powerful union, unfortunately
They are…in private. It’s not reported, but when a call like this is made and they fuck up a ruling, I can guarantee that that entire crew got a very angry phone call from the NBA supervisor of Officials, and it hurt their schedule and post season chances. You literally just don’t hear about it
Lmao stop it. The benchwarmers need to be. Why are they even anywhere near the shooter
@@stuellenberger8735 the play is dead once the whistle is blown. And the shooter was standing right at their bench?
@@crashb133 and? Thats like saying in hockey on an offside if the guy keeps skating guys on the bench should jump the boards and hook him down. Refs were wrong but so were the bench players.
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i was at this game as a Cavs fan. i was totally puzzled, but none of the charlotte fans thought it was a bad call. there was no communication really. they didn’t show the replay
The replay in stadium probably doesn't show sound, so fans wouldn't have seen if there was a whistle or not
@@danielhoang289 they still could have seen that wade touched the ball while out of bounds
@@rocker0304 You can barely tell with replay that he touched it while out of bounds...the only real thing they have to go with is a whistle (which there was one) and the shot came after the whistle which is why the cavs bench guys even did what they did.
But the other official I guess didn't hear a damn thing, and was focused on the ball and I suppose also didn't notice that everyone sorta stopped playing.
@@danielhoang289 you can see everybody in the game stop moving and the ref blowing his whistle and putting his hand up for out of bounds, which means the play is dead
@@danielhoang289 NBA is notorious for not actually showing what just happened anyway. They probably showed a replay of some dunk from 2-3 plays ago.
The thing with JB Bickerstaff is that he's so loud during every game that you don't even need to read lips lmao. You can literally always hear him yelling during live broadcasts and he says some outlandish shit. One of my favorite coaches now by far
Watching this I'm reminded of Luke Peirce's (rugby referee) reaction to making a bad call a few years ago:
"Fellas it's very obvious I made a mistake there, we're all human, we all make them so that call will be reversed and we'll get on with the game."
Having an official willing to admit they sometimes get stuff wrong and working to correct it doesn't undermine their authority. It reinforces it because the players then find it easier to trust their judgement. Something for the NBA to ponder.
But knowing the call is wrong isn't easy to tell. The ref who called the touching on the three seems to have said it happened before the out of bounce whistle. Without being able to review it (I don't know if NBA rules allow that call to be reviewed), it's not that simple to know. Refs can't see the entire court at once which is why there are 3 refs.
That's also because rugby referees are actually held accountable for their calls, as opposed to NBA refs.
@@catman-du8927 It should be obvious. Ref 1 blows the play dead, a second passes. then ref 2 blows the for the foul. All ref 1 has to have the balls to just tell the other guy I blew it dead first. no foul. Everything in this tells me Ref 1 pussy'd out of his own call. The point of the whistle is that you don't HAVE to see everything.
They didn't work to correct it. They just said, "Hey, too bad. You're fucked." The NBA league office might, if they're feeling very generous, rescind the technical foul. More likely, they'll fine the dude and count it toward a potential suspension.
@@Wessssss21 It should only be obvious if the first ref saw the touching. The play isn't dead when the guy steps out of bounds. It's dead when the whistle blows
Jomboy has the best voiceover voice
the "thats what marat had" and the immediate walk away is fuckin gold
Will have to try that line on my boss, although it might not be as effective since nobody named Marat it works in the office
That part is comedy gold. The whole build-up of everyone explaining what's wrong and then him urging to have the floor only to say "that's what Marat had." I wish he had said "that's what she said" Michael Scott style.
Sry guys wasn't me, later.
@@joecommenter1332 see, the cool thing about it is you can use a different name though. It blew my mind but try it sometime. It totally works. You won't get fired, I promise. 👍
Just threw Marat under the bus lmao
I have never understood that part of a lot of pro sports officiating that's like, "no no no, you don't understand; that guy already blew the whistle, and made the arm motions. There's absolutely nothing we can do now! We have to just live with it, and move on!"
College too
It’d be like if you couldn’t refund anything because “well you already gave us the money, sorry if we lied about the product”
As a Cavs fan I was gonna blow a blood vessel watching that play if we lost
Would you have been upset if you benefited from 2 bull shit calls (which you did) and won?
@@poocrafter2 if my team wins for the sole purpose of multiple bullshit calls then yeah id still be pissed lol
@@Swyzzl ill take that at least you’re consistent
Individuals who get angry over their preferred millionaire sportballers losing to their non-preferred millionaire sportballers are literal subhumans. Get a ****ing life.
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I think this whole play probably comes from the part of reffing where they say “even if one ref is wrong back them up like they’re right to establish that you’re in charge” which is the biggest bullshit idea of all time. If you’re wrong you’re wrong and everyone will respect you more if you admit you made a bad call in the heat of the moment.
It isnt though. You really want a ref to switch their decision at will left and right all because of some complaining?
@@anonymousperson3023 uh no dude, we want them to switch their decision because they're blatantly wrong
It's an absurd embarassment that the baseline ref didn't correct his partner who didn't hear the whistle. The baseline ref knew the play was dead, knew the final result was not accurate, and protected his partner for no reason and said "his call, don't know what's going on".
@@anonymousperson3023 what’s the point of replay if you’re staring at the right decision, stand by your wrong decision, only to later admit after the game that you should’ve changed your decision?
Refs across the board need to tighten up. It’s almost laughable how bad they’re getting at this point, even with replay at their disposal.
@@purityisastateofmind7439 The problem with this is the players argue every single whistle saying that the refs are wrong. It's quite possible that in the confusion of all of this that the initial ref wasn't sure which whistle happened first. It's an easy thing that happens to all of us. The difference is that the rest of us don't have cameras watching our every move.
It's the little details and jokes thrown in that are so great.
Coach did a pretty good job controlling his bench, at least. He may have saved them from a second technical on the bench.
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If he was controlling his bench, they wouldnt be acting like children and messing with the "practice shot".
If NBA players acted like adults, instead of man-children all the time, this doesnt happen.
@@fomori2 Players mess with each other all the time. This was 100% all on the refs. Literally no one on the bench did anything wrong, which the refs literally also said after the game. Get the hell out of here.
@@DisrespectfulRob What point was it exactly? His point was that it was the coach and player's fault they got a tech. Mine was that they did nothing to deserve a tech, which is exactly what the refs admitted to as well after the game. Now tell me, what point did I reinforce?
@@DisrespectfulRob Players could, and should act more professional. But, my point was that they are just players in a game. They will tend to goof off...
The coach did well at controlling them as soon as he noticed an issue. That is his job.
I concede that he "could" have been better at creating a culture that wouldn't have gotten the first technical foul at all... but technically, that shouldn't have been called at all.
He did well at recognizing the situation, and putting his players out of the picture while arguing his case.
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How could there have been any confusion? If the ball was out of bounds, how could the ref who saw the ball and called it out of bounds possibly even have an inkling of doubt weather or not the shot came afterwards…
My dude, YOU SAW THE BALL.
Even with their “miscommunication”. They could have reviewed the sequence and corrected it. They didn’t. They need to be suspended.
Right, the shot HAD to come after the OOB call, unless they are playing with TWO basketballs…
The play isn't dead until the whistle, and there was a gap inbetween him seeing it and him blowing the whistle, then when the hornets player is shooting the three you can see that the ref is looking away from the court.
He asked the second ref if the shot was before his whistle and he said yeah.
I dont think this on the crew chief, its on marat for just not hearing the whistle I guess?
@@DjElixer either not hearing the whistle or outright lying
Right. The ball can’t be OB and then a tech called on a shot!
These voice overs are so hilarious
This is like Kevin Garnett getting called for Goal Tending after the whistle blew for out of bounds.
I feel like the montage of the Cavs players each chiming in about how the play was dead should be put to a tune from Les Misérables...
This is like when a cop pulls a person over, and realizes they're in the wrong, then gives a ticket anyway just to save face.
except when the person is not white and the cop thinks he should escalate the matter :p
Stop breaking the law, criminal.
@@crh18 u do know statistics don’t agree with that statement right lol? But hey, it’s an old debate that’s really a debate against numbers anyways
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"That's what Marat had"
Put that on a TShirt. Also 4:55 has me rollin.
I don't understand why you want to promote the name of a shit ref
@@juliebraden6911 Because its funny. If you know the name of a ref you know its bad ref anyway.
4:40 i thought my phone broke😭😂
Cleanest coach rant ever.
“I need someone to explain this to me” 😂
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝 ➺ specialdate.my.id/Anna
Anna is a beautiful girl.
He's the person I love, he's my light
day. The way the music flows and sounds
is extravagant and fun. Anna is
icon, legend, beautiful girl, princess, inspiration,
a star. I could go on and on, understand this.
I love NBA Anna.#垃圾
The change in voice the second time though "stop. stop. That's what Marat had" made me laugh.
I watched this game and when the Cavs won off Loves free throws at the end of the game the hornets announcers acted like the Cavs stole the game even though this happened
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝 ➺ specialdate.my.id/Anna
Anna is a beautiful girl.
He's the person I love, he's my light
day. The way the music flows and sounds
is extravagant and fun. Anna is
icon, legend, beautiful girl, princess, inspiration,
a star. I could go on and on, understand this.
I love NBA Anna.#垃圾
Yes, but I'd be willing to bet that the Hornets announcers didn't immediately go into their menstrual period, like the Boston Bruins announcers do.
#JackEdwardsSucks #AndyBrickleyIsNoBetter
they technically did in a sense, not by cheating but by winning.
that's what they meant.
@@sillygoose635 No
4:28 "STAHP! STAHP! that's wat Marat had"
I don't get the point of replay in these leagues if they're still gonna let something like this stand
The leagues have rules around what can and can't be reviewed so that games aren't dragged on. It's why the NBA got rid of the rule about the officials initiating reviews the last minute of a half. With the old rules the last minute would often have 3 or 4 replays. They would get the calls right (99% of the time) with those replays but the games weren't any fun to watch.
The professional sports leagues are in the business of making as much money as possible. If having to use a bunch of replays to get things right causes fans to become bored and tune out then it is better to just get the calls wrong.
@@krayzy932 There are a lot of people who would argue that it's more profitable for them to get the calls right, especially for the teams themselves. If your team gets shafted by a call during a playoff push, that can end a championship run (think Saints-Rams no-call from like 5 years ago in the NFC championship game). Winning a championship is super profitable and just hoping it doesn't happen to you is not exactly a great strategy.
@@andrewb378 While I get what you're saying, that blown call in the Saints - Rams game didn't cost the NFL any fans. At least not an amount that would affect the NFL's bottom line. A bunch of reviews slowing down blowout games does though.
@@krayzy932 I absolutely get it but they still talked over this play for a while and it slowed the game down for a good few minutes, all while getting it terribly wrong. I agree with u that too many replays suck but if they’re gonna take forever to figure it out might as well go to the monitor
@@krayzy932 the last minutes of basketball games have always been miserable to watch, might as well get the calls right
This has got to be one if the best voice overs ever
For those wondering, the Cavs won the game. Kevin Love was fouled in the final second and hit two free throws to secure the win.
Steve, remember the Timberwolves foul when Kevin love got killed with no time left and it was left uncalled. Would have been hilarious if history would have repeat itself
K-Love!
This whole video was so petty and stupid but somehow I really enjoyed every second of this.
It's phuckin hilarious.
This is insane the lip readings are only getting better. Great work Jomboy!
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝 ➺ specialdate.my.id/Anna
Anna is a beautiful girl.
He's the person I love, he's my light
day. The way the music flows and sounds
is extravagant and fun. Anna is
icon, legend, beautiful girl, princess, inspiration,
a star. I could go on and on, understand this.
I love NBA Anna.#垃圾
Holy shit this is hilarious… please more NBA breakdowns, though granted it can’t always be this good
We love you Jomboy.
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝 ➺ specialdate.my.id/Anna
Anna is a beautiful girl.
He's the person I love, he's my light
day. The way the music flows and sounds
is extravagant and fun. Anna is
icon, legend, beautiful girl, princess, inspiration,
a star. I could go on and on, understand this.
I love NBA Anna.#垃圾
Lol thanks for the breakdown and a good laugh my friend- really enjoy your videos
Yes, this affected the spread. I took the Cavs -4.5 in live betting in the 3rd quarter. The Cavs were up 10 when this play happened and controlling the game. Things came unraveled after this. The Cavs only won by one. I lost $500 (yes, I'm a degenerate.). I will be pissed about this to my grave. To my grave.
Bruh I hope you make enough money to support the habit.
Do you typically make money gambling on games? Just curious
LOL
Nobody cares about gamblers
@@bizzle4819 no one really cares about you either for what its worth
Beautiful lip Reading !! You are great at this ! Love it !
As a fellow basketball ref I can confirm “hey it’s what the other ref had” works 10/10 times
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝 ➺ specialdate.my.id/Anna
Anna is a beautiful girl.
He's the person I love, he's my light
day. The way the music flows and sounds
is extravagant and fun. Anna is
icon, legend, beautiful girl, princess, inspiration,
a star. I could go on and on, understand this.
I love NBA Anna.#垃圾
If by “works” you mean makes the whole stadium want to beat your head in than yeah
underrated line here🤣🤣🤣
LETS GO I WAS WAITING FOR THIS AND JOMBOY DELIVERED
Jomboy could teach a Masterclass on lip reading. Seriously, to get all of those lines by each person involved cut up like that is beyond good.
We take it for granted too often, so consider this a thousand thanks for bringing us some top tier sports entertainment 🙏🏼
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝 ➺ specialdate.my.id/Anna
Anna is a beautiful girl.
He's the person I love, he's my light
day. The way the music flows and sounds
is extravagant and fun. Anna is
icon, legend, beautiful girl, princess, inspiration,
a star. I could go on and on, understand this.
I love NBA Anna.#垃圾
Couldn't agree more
I appreciate Jomboy keeping refs honest. They gotta keep in the back of their mind that their dumb calls can end up getting scrutinized by millions.
Even NFL refs are like "🤭 look at these guys..."
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝 ➺ specialdate.my.id/Anna
Anna is a beautiful girl.
He's the person I love, he's my light
day. The way the music flows and sounds
is extravagant and fun. Anna is
icon, legend, beautiful girl, princess, inspiration,
a star. I could go on and on, understand this.
I love NBA Anna.#垃圾
Jomboy doing nba videos….. i can dig it!!!!!!!
There’s literally no possible way the shot could’ve happened before the out of bounds lmao these refs are on a different level
It's about when the whistle happens, not when the out of bounce actually happens. That's how the rules are written
@@catman-du8927 Watch the body language of the players. The whistle was blown before the pass made it to the shooter.
@@MarcosElMalo2 Not disagreeing with that. I don't think it was the correct call. Just explaining how NBA dead balls are called
@@catman-du8927 This is false. If the referee intended to blow the play dead, but fails to do so for whatever reason (drops the whistle, clear brain fart, etc), the play is still blown dead, and you don't get free shots at the basket before the delayed whistle. The play is dead when the referee says it's dead, not when the whistle eventually comes out.
Anyway, it's a moot point, because the whistle very obviously came before the shot. And even if it didn't, the ball went out of bounds, and the referee knew it went out of bounds, and intended to blow the play dead. They fucked up, and admitted such after the game.
Miss Communication was the MVP of this game.
I cannot express the levels of insanity this drove me to watching it live. My head turned into a thermometer and burst out the top like in cartoons
Jomboy. You have the potential to be the best thing to happen to NBA refereeing by analyzing and spreading this info. 👏
Good to see the MLB refs can still find work in other sports leagues during these trying times.
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝 ➺ specialdate.my.id/Anna
Anna is a beautiful girl.
He's the person I love, he's my light
day. The way the music flows and sounds
is extravagant and fun. Anna is
icon, legend, beautiful girl, princess, inspiration,
a star. I could go on and on, understand this.
I love NBA Anna.#垃圾
Angel Hernandez strikes again.
Wtf is an MLB ref
@@juliebraden6911 Major League Baseball ref
@@juliebraden6911 ump is a ref by definition
Marat is a Persian name that roughly translates to Angel Hernandez in English.
Watched this happen live as cavs fan I was losing my mind never seen a call like this. Ended up still winning still so it didn’t matter but crazy that this happened.
Thank god for the clutch kevin love play
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝 ➺ specialdate.my.id/Anna
Anna is a beautiful girl.
He's the person I love, he's my light
day. The way the music flows and sounds
is extravagant and fun. Anna is
icon, legend, beautiful girl, princess, inspiration,
a star. I could go on and on, understand this.
I love NBA Anna.#垃圾
it did matter, fuck K, s/o for him being a mental health advocate tho
me Cavs fan I was so pissed at this moment
Today I learned that Kevin Love is still in the league and still with the Cavs
That's Sixth-Man-of-the-Year-Nominated Kevin Love for you.
The best part of the lip readings is how animated jomboy is with the voices lmao 🤣
Holy crap! I went to high school with Brian Forte. He claimed his dad was an NBA ref, and we didn't believe him (no Google back in the early 90s, kids).
Small world. Still a shitty series of calls.
Everyone discussing the play but the voice-over is 10/10
I’m definitely not a basketball expert but it seems to me that the technical should have still been given. I don’t think bench players are allowed to reach into the court and touch the opponents, even if the ball is dead. The three points awarded is what baffles me.
This is a good point, and I thought the same.
I don't believe it's against the rules for a player on the bench to touch a player on the court as long as there isn't a live play going on. I remember seeing a play where JR Smith went over to the opposing bench to slap 5s during a live play and left his man wide open for a basket. No one did anything but laugh lmao
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝 ➺ specialdate.my.id/Anna
Anna is a beautiful girl.
He's the person I love, he's my light
day. The way the music flows and sounds
is extravagant and fun. Anna is
icon, legend, beautiful girl, princess, inspiration,
a star. I could go on and on, understand this.
I love NBA Anna.#垃圾
@@bigsquatch40 There's a big difference between a active player touching the bench players and the bench players touching an active player. One is a boneheaded move the other is clearly an infraction.
OK, how about this situation: A play is dead but someone threw the ball up. It's going right for the head of a Hornets player who is not looking. A Cavs bench player sees this and pulls the Hornets player to the side, saving him.
Do you give the Cavs player a technical? The play is dead, he's on the bench, but he influenced the game in a physical manner.
This theoretical example is more physical influence and contact than in the video here. Is it a technical?
1:30 LMAO his body language is hilarious. He delivered those gestures like an interpretive dancer. "I NAILED THIS SUPER RARE CALL and I am gonna SHOW EM WHAT I GOT, HONEY!!"
If I’m charlotte’s coach I would step in and tell the refs that’s bs. It’s basic sportsmanship. Bad on everyone involved
You are hilarious! The cut to the random lady shooting finger guns….fkin GENIUS! You’re the man!
When the lady said "wrap this up!" I lost it 🤣
she didn't, she clearly said "Ref you suck"
@@AntAltobelli nope
@@AntAltobelli I'll take Jomboy's lip reading over some irrelevant nobody.
She's doing a p sound at the end
Lmaooo “and the other coach look at his lips” *zooms in on lips licking* “he’s thinking this is good for us” that was hilarious especially because he just said it like so seriously
The problem is that there's absolutely ZERO accountability for sports officials. With all the cameras now it's impossible NOT to get a call right, but these guys have so much pride that they make these unbelievable calls with no punishment.
That was freaking great. Grade A material from our boy there
How does the ref that called out of bounds not know the sequence of events? Was he not watching the play? There was a three at the top of the key, and then the ball was out of bounds. Does he think the other ref saw someone from the bench touch the shooter at the top of the key in the middle of the court?
He probably was more of a rookie than the other guy and so he trusted Marat instincts
eh, he was furthest from the play and just following the ball. The entire thing could have been avoided if the bench had kept their hands to themselves. Where do they get off touching a player on the court.
@@russellv6234 where does the player on the court get off on shooting after the whistle? Player wants that practice shot to see the ball go in, other team doesn't want to give that to them. It's all a bunch of nothing that the refs turned into something.
@@oRealList Not sure if you've ever actually seen a basketball game before but players do it literally every game so wtf are you talking about.
@@russellv6234 I didn't say it doesn't happen all the time? I was just using your logic to justify the other side of the situation. It all could be avoided if the player doesn't shoot after the whistle...?
Are the players are just supposed to get free practice shots in the 4th quarter, but no one is allowed to contest the shot?
I know "players do it literally every game", and just as often the other team is goaltending the shot so the shooter doesn't see the ball go in.
It’s fixed game called by Las Vegas gambling odds
Sounds like the call wasn't exactly right HOWEVER I absolutely believe the Cleveland bench should have been assessed a technical. You can't have people on the bench touching players or even getting in their face on the court ... even IF the whistle did blow the play dead, if you're on the bench, you're on the bench just as much as a fan. You can't influence the game in any physical sense until you get in the game.
This. Awarding the three points for the missed shot was bad, but there was a valid reason to call a T.
OK, how about this situation: A play is dead but someone threw the ball up. It's going right for the head of a Hornets player who is not looking. A Cavs bench player sees this and pulls the Hornets player to the side, saving him.
Do you give the Cavs player a technical? The play is dead, he's on the bench, but he influenced the game in a physical manner.
This theoretical example is more physical influence and contact than in the video here. Is it a technical?
People talking about the bench players like it’s such a problem lol have you ever played or watched sports?! lmfao you can’t get T’d up for a rule about a dead play that doesn’t exist.
@@dnad85You can get a technical foul at any time. Coaches have routinely got technical fouls during time outs.
@@clkou omg dude, I know that! I’m talking about touching players or walkin on the court from the bench during a dead ball. No rule to enforce for the tech.
With the billion reviews we get every NBA game, this is turrible
what a coincedence that the ref's name was moRAT
I just don't get how this can ever be allowed to stand. How is it that they are so untouchable that they're not liable to explain their decision for a weird situation right there, on the spot, so that they realize where they fucked up? This is just beyond comprehension. So demeaning to be a top athlete and to be this powerless over such simple things.
Why didn’t they just review it?
I don't watch the NBA so I don't know all the rules, but I would be willing to bet it's not a reviewable call. Like pass interference in the NFL or balls and strikes in baseball. I'm not sure why a technical wouldn't be reviewable since it's basically the worst penalty you can get that isn't an ejection, but pass interference is often the worst penalty you can get in american football and that's not reviewable so idk
Your commentary & lip reading is so funny 😂
We need to automate refs and get rid of the human element entirely
How much are you willing to pay to see that happen? It costs about 3-4 thousand dollars to ref a basketball game. You're still gonna need to pay at least one ref a full salary just to interpret what the computers say, and they're gonna expect the same amount of money or more. Then you have to pay the team that sets up and maintains all of the equipment. On top of all of that, you have to pay for the hardware, the software, the design, and the upgrades and rewrites every time there's a rule change.
They're not gonna take the extra money out of the league's profits, they're gonna take it out on the fans.
I've seen similar things happen a lot. And I figured eventually this would happen. Plays dead and they immediately fuck around with eachother like... it's okay... I'm thinking, "little too close to the whistle guys...". People like Steph likes getting freebies and dudes like KG don't like seeing the Opp hitting shots when it's over. So this happens a lot... finally, it actually becomes a problem in a game.
They're young guys though... lot of energy, they're going to fuck around when the play is dead. Refs need a better plan of action because this is a bad look for the league.
The issue is, once ref or especially an ump, makes a call, its absolutely set in stone. I dont understand why the ref or ump that makes that bad call, cant review it and say, hey i made a bad call in the heat of the moment and reverse it to the right call ?
Thank you for acknowledging this happens in all sports. Someone reading these comments who doesn't know better would think it was just basketball.
NFL officials regularly change the call if nee information is presented
Write that's one of the dumbest things I've read. Plenty of times goals have been reviewed and overturned correctly. The pick didn't cross the goal line completely, went in after time had expired, or went in after the whistle had been blown.
Here's a great idea, if you're on the bench stay in the bench area. Don't walkout and touch. I say this as a Cavs fan but there's too much uncontrolled player activity running on the court. Stay by your seat or sit your ass down.
Tf are u talkin bout?! Play was whistled dead. They’re not out of control lmao
Refs needed to swallow their pride on this one, that’s it
Basketball breakdown? Do more !
Agree
Wait ping for that malice at the palace breakdown👀
2:40 Great lip reading 🤣🤣
the point shaving and collusion couldn't be anymore obvious, these refs need to be held accountable
The Cavs won and they covered the spread. Your conspiracy theories are ridiculous.
"Ohhhhhh c'mon! Wrap this up!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It amazes me how we have all of these technical systems to analyze plays and it still happens
Not all calls are allowed to be reviewed. That's on the NBA, not on the ref.
@@catman-du8927 refs won't agree to have that rule changed so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ kinda on refs when they make shitty calls
@@MrXilemo Refs have no say about whether the rules are changed or not. Do you think the refs write the NBA rulebook?
@@catman-du8927 If it works like other sports the union can object to changes like that because they're taking away from their jobs. Or something. Something about they feel slighted for maybe being called out for making terrible calls.
@@MrXilemo The refs weren't the ones who wanted to limit replay reviews. The league was. Fans at home don't find it enjoyable to watch a bunch of reviews. TV ratings, and money in general, is what drives a majority of the decisions the leagues make.
The ref that knew that one rule was so ready to call it 😂😂😂
so AFTER the game the Refs acknowledge how the rules/game are meant to be followed, but one asshole can just dictate and do what he wants DURING the game? yeah i've seen this before in the NBA, and thousands of times in the MLB
its almost like there should be a function or way to CHALLENGE shitty reffing.....
Because the ref saw the replay of what happened and had time to think it over. How's that difficult to understand?
@@anonymousperson3023 did the 50 people talking to him, the people upstairs in the recording booth, the announcing crew, and one fucking one else yelling at him all just cease to exist and not matter? it woulda taken 15 seconds for him to think.... hmmm all these people are saying something happened, i didnt see/hear it, maybe i should ASK FUCKING ANYONE?
naw, i'll make shit up and check later
sounds about right
@@vissermatt1058 so because biased players said something makes it true? There’s a reason that the non biased party isn’t asking for additional information. Imagine how often doing that would go downhill… much more often than this.
😂😂😂Jomboy is epic when narrating sport news......fun to watch.🇺🇸👍👍🇺🇸
"That's what Marat had ..." But you know that *you* blow the whistle long before the shot attempt. Neither the call nor the explanation make sense. Both refs should be suspended for fuck-upery.
I mean, he didn't see the shot attempt. As this ref I would still be confused about why Marat's call came so late after the whistle, but if Marat says it came before the whistle there's no reason not to trust him.
Love the lip reads, on point
32 refused to put aside his ego and admit he messed up. Typical ref behavior.
What ego? He just made a mistake. Shit happens. And refs can't be wishy washy for obvious reasons
Yeah, and look at all the players who complain after making an obvious foul. Maybe it's human behavior not just ref
Thanks for clearing this up. I was at the game and didn’t hear the whistle.