Good reason to walk away from them and trade under WTO terms which are fair to both sides. Those WTO terms allow trade to flow with few problems and under those terms the UKs world trade has grown and is bigger than our EU trade since 2009. It works for the bigger world it can also work for the EU trade with the UK.
@@ernestrogen4639 No counties trade under WTO .... the WTO is unelected and has no powers .. name a country that trades under WTO rules.... The WTO was created to aid third world countries... WeakTradeOrganisation
Gove was the crying baby here. Breaking news, you can't have membership privileges without paying for your membership. Welcome to the real world of how trading works, it's the largest trading block who hold most cards, doh! More disappointments to come...
"Let me just say, that...that...that I hold all the cards, and the EU had better fold. Look, I have an Ace, a 2, a 3, a 5 and an 8. I have a fibonacci, I win!"
@rpbsjy - If you're going to talk about maths, the prime factor is that you have to square it with both sides lest the ignorant call you hypocritical... Start well, 1, 4, 6 then slide back to 1 - a Pascal.Have two 1's and waste everyone's time saying it's a 2 - a Gödel.Claim the cards make God's phone number - a Russell.Claim you had the same hand another played earlier - a Leibnitz.Keep going round and round playing the same card - a Kepler.Bang on about the cards being a nice shape - a Euclid.Throw them all on the table without thinking - a Homer.Play with 0 or 1 and say you've got any card - a Lovelace.Look at other player's cards and tell them how to win - a Nash.Recognising a slippery slope and where it'll end - a Thales.Watch your cards shrink under slightest pressure - a Boyle.Play with one or another hand depending on who's playing - a Boole.Stretch their credibility to breaking point - a Hooke.Drop and watch them crash to the floor - a Newton.See that playing is exponentially pointless - a Napier.So play with absolutely zero cards - a Kelvin!
@John Smith It's not the EU's position that has been rejected by Parliament - it's the withdrawal agreement drawn up by the British government and the EU after two years of negotiations. The EU's position is that a carefully negotiated deal with the UK that took into account Theresa May's red lines has been worked out.
*Well this is a shock...* The EU has said multiple times that they're not going to reopen the negotiations and they're not reopening the negotiations. Who would have thought.
@@chadleach6009 No deal was always an option. And the only option besides the withdrawal agreement. I can't even count the times i've heard "no deal is better than a bad deal". Get on, get out.
@@Michelle_Schu-blacka the deal being rejected by the UK parliament is what the eu wants to get through tho. Logic follows if you want something you negotiate and compromise, especially if what your offering has already been rejected 3 times. Is the eu insane or something because expecting different results from the same action is a definition of it.
@@aufgeklart6690 the issue is there are people in the UK dead set against that votes result from being carried out. Hopefully this will be over by November.
@@chadleach6009 Without an agreement, it won't be 39 billion that May managed to get, it will be the full figure, wich is somewhere over 100 billion. Any refusal to pay this will account for a breach of faith by Britain, and who wants to deal with cheaters and liars? BTW: since the Brexit referendum, the EU has signed FTA's accounting for more than the loss of the British market.
as long as the eu keeps acting like the uk is a little child that should simply do as it's told, as it did to greece, it is the eu that is steering towards a no deal brexit as they have been since the beginning. you're lucky you've finally got a prime minister that seems to be serious about leaving the eu... doing what may should have done, start negotiating with no-deal as leverage. we still have a bunch of globalist fanthings at th helm here.
@@dawatcherz no deal as a negotiating tool. Well how does that go. 1 start off with membership of Eu go into negotiations rip that up. 2 start talking saying we will leave without a deal , demand the Eu changes the arrangements for other 27 change the Eu. 3 demand that there is no requirements for U.K. to pay any of fees going forward such as pensions etc . 5 demand cake and eat it told to get lost. 6leave with no deal No trade and no mean to develop trade deal as they take a number of years. Like buying a car 1drive to car dealership 2take car to breakers yard at back of dealer 3get offered bad deal from dealer 4refuse deal 5 go home by bus with no car How stupid is that!
I agree, the eu does not want a deal that benefits both sides so leaving without a deal is the best option at this time. Lets the eu move on from brexit to focus on domestic issues while the UK can get on with forging global trade deals and saves 39 billion too boot. Win win.
@@keithsymons5708 The Official Leave campaign stated over and over again that no deal was never their aim, they always planned on a deal The earliest I can find No deal mentioned was January 2017. You didn't vote for a no deal - but it is strange just how fast people like yourself can incorporate a lie into your belief and then think it was your original position all along.
@@AF-ei5yi it was never there plan to go for a no deal but it takes two to tango if the eu is going to be intransigent then no deal is the fall back position ?
@@keithsymons5708 well, you are still here. Still blaming everyone but yourself for not coming up with something that even you can agree on. People in the EU perfectly understand that you want to leave by now, it seems tho, you guys still haven't really gotten it.
@QueensBridge Murderer Well maybe David Cameron should have thought about what the consequences would have been before he decided to have a vote on being part of the EU.Its entirely his fault whats going on but the people have voted leave the EU and if its not honoured you,ll end up with a situation like whats happening in Hong Kong at the moment or similar.
@@paullamkin4062 Things are as easy or complicated as you want to make them, but Bo-Jo the Clown winning the Premiership by claiming he could re-negotiate with the EU was just a bald-faced lie.
you go to a shop to pick up an item, you negotiate a price with the shop keeper, then you threaten to walk away if he doesn't adhere to your new demands. he says he can't then you go out crying to the world that the shop keeper is being unfair for not wanting to renegotiate on your terms. crazy world we live in.
@Brad Smith well that wasn't what gove said was it? plus the other shop keepers too have got their own demands and bargaining tactics too. i don't mind the venturing into the world of the unknown, what i resent is crying foul when things don't go your way.
@Brad Smith question, who takes it out of the uks hands? did the uk not initiate the process in the first place? just like saying you jump the red light then you get a fine and say someone took the response out of your hands.
@Brad Smith But the world of other shop keepers are few and far apart, and they are in a position of force, because they don't care about you, you are the beggar...
It's the majority of people of Northern Ireland who want to be British, it's not being forced, they've had a referendum on it and 99% voted to remain British.
@@pauldrysdale7615 reunification of the 4th province is inevitable and getting closer everyday due to this clown car of a British government. Time the unionists started learning a new anthem!
and Boris, Cameron and May were not chancers!, come off it, Labour cant be blamed for this mess although you have no shame by trying. The only reason we are in this mess is because the Torrie's wanted to hang on to power no matter what happens to the country
@@RonWylie-gk5lc I agree with your statement about the Tories - this is in their DNA. However, at a time when a Government of National Unity would seem like to best approach to tackle the Brexit problem, Labour is just looking into gaining power. So party and power first, country second (which is what the Tories have always done).
The British got loads of concessions, like staying outside the Eurozone and of course the UK was a major player in EU decisions. If they decide in due course to join the single market they won't be EU members and won't have an say, and if they in some time apply to rejoin a) they's have to join the Eurozone and b) would probably face opposition to their joining from so many of the 27 countries their behaviour has alienated. Historians will judge Brexit an extraordinary act of self-harm and struggle to explain it.
It seems to me some politicians in the UK are totally fine to sacrifice democratic principles to get their way.And some of them have been complaining about the EU being undemocratic...
@demarcation Speaking of a referendum, why not get a second one? After all, it's been three years, perhaps the people have changed their minds, don't you think?
@demarcation I do very like our new Frankish Empire, you can go and be an island full of barbarians again, nobody is trying to stop you except those amongst yourselves that don't want to be North Greece
@demarcation I wasn't refering to the referendum but to the fact that some leavers seem to be willing to ingore parliament just "force" a hard brexit and some remainers seem to be willing to call for the queen to step in..
Gove has No problem lying directly to a camera it seems Has he forgotten that the UK/EU spent 2+ years ALREADY NEGOTIATING AND AGREEING a deal The UK is unable to stand over it's word anymore??? , why should anybody take them seriously ??
But it’s a DEAD deal ! The previous government tried 3 times to get through parliament , stop flogging a dead donkey . BTW it’s not even a ‘deal’ yet , that would have been the next stage ) either way parliament WILL still reject it . even IF Boris changes HIS mind , and got behind Mays withdrawal Agreement, It’s a new UK Government , and it’s a New EU parliament , we need a new Withdrawal agreement that CAN get the approval of both the EU and the UK , and does not lock us in to whatever trade deal the EU want to give us. We need to be able to walk away, as someone once ( or twice ) said, No Deal is Better than a Bad Deal , and a bad deal is what the EU will offer if they lock us in to a bad Withdrawal Agreement .
Aaron Giles If you want a no deal, then it’s great news that the EU refuse to negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement, as then you get to paint them as the instigator of the No Deal . It’s very possible the EU are doing exactly what Boris hoped the would do . ( initially at least)
@Aaron Giles What don't you understand about the words "Withdrawal Agreement" that was signed by the current UK government ??? It was agreed upon and it's the government's responsibility to agree something that will be passed into law Why should the EU make another agreement with a government that has No word
@Aaron Giles the USA has already said the NHS is off limits if the UK says so. More fake news. Do you think immigration at 300k a year has reduced wages for the poor? m.independent.ie/business/jobs/not-enough-migrants-arriving-to-keep-pay-down-central-bank-38356212.html
"Negotiate in good faith". says Michael Gove. Why should the EU have good faith in a country that agrees to make long term investments and half way decides to quit and now threatens to not pay them? there were years of negotiations resulting in a withdrawn agreement on both sides, that could not be sold to the house of commons, this is an internal UK problem, don't point to the EU.
If the deal won't go through parliament we have to renegotiate. That's why it's called negotiating. Duh. If one side won't negotiate then it's not a negotiation. So, yes, it is the EU's fault.
UK politicians may have time to waste by restarting the negotiations that have gone on since 2016 from scratch but there are 27 countries that have other fish to fry and that basically wish to preserve the organisation to which they belong. Besides, there is the added bonus to no deal, i.e. no extension, of being able to send Farrago Farage and loony Auntie Annie back home. In any case isn't the EU going to crumble to dust in a couple of years anyway? Why should the UK want to make a deal with a failing organisation when "global" Britain will be making all those wonderful trade deals we keep hearing so much about? Just go off on 31 October and sort out your domestic political situation which, from this side of the channel, looks pretty dodgy at the moment.
@mcr1jp I get over to Ireland acouple of times a year to visit family and friends. Mainly Dublin and Athlone but I haven't met anyone there yet that doesn't think the UK has gone stark staring bonkers for leaving the biggest and most successful trading bloc in the world. The same goes for friends and family in other EU countries.
@@miltoncadman7033 I know and I'm sorry for them but this situation is basically a domestic one for the UK to resolve and, as most educated people in Europe have come to realise it is the result of a cat fight in the Tory Party. In spite of the over powerful, authoritarian image of the EU that the UK mass media has pumped out over decades there isn't much the EU can do about it except watch. The unfortunate thing is that although Brexit will hit the UK more than the EU on average those countries in the EU most negatively impacted might not be kindly disposed when, eventually, a new UK/EU relationship starts to be negotiated . UK politicians have opened Pandora's box and unleashed something over which they have little or no real control. It is and will continue to be a mess for goodness knows how long but it is not the EU's problem. The EU's primary task is to look after the 27 and their 450 million plus inhabitants.
@@maxharbig1167The hardest hit single country in a no deal, tariff situation would undoubtedly be Germany. They have the largest trade surplus with UK and stand to lose a lot financially unless a joint no tariff agreement is made short term. Yes, of course the UK would also be hit but they would have not had to pay a hefty "divorce" sum to the EU which would help mitigate the UK hit. Germany on the other hand would find itself in the position of either having to make up the majority of the budget shortfall without UK contribution OR cutting back on the budget. The time for a truly Global united world will come given enough time for national identities to blur sufficiently and a culture of Humanity to be acceptable to all people but trying to force it through now is premature and is being pushed by people who want it to happen in their lifetimes.
@@johnsmith-ky5qgSounds a bit like that phrase that was bandied about in the UK “German car manufacturers will beat a path to Merkel’s door to get a good deal for Britain.” I haven’t heard it much lately but then again Bernhard Mattes, President of the VDA (German Association of the Automobile Industries) and Dieter Kempf , President of the BDI (Federation of German Industries) have both publicly stated, on behalf of their memberships, that the preservation of the single market is more important to their members than the loss of UK trade. So, Budgets will have to be revised down but would probably have to be anyway as we’re all heading into what looks like a global recession. It’s not as if the poor old UK is the most significant pillar propping up the crumbling EU. The following are the percentages of the first 5 net contributors to the EU Budget 2018 that accounted for 72.75% of the total: Germany 21.11%, France 16.44%, Italy 13.64%, UK 13.05% and Spain 8.51%. So, financially it looks like the UK has, or should I say had, a pretty good deal. Just as the music in the UK has changed from “to the sunny uplands” and “the easiest deal in human history” to something like any possible sacrifices will be worth it to regain sovereignty so the EU has decided that any possible sacrifices on its part are worthwhile to preserve the single market, customs union and the integral nature of the EU itself. People in the UK keep making the mistake of referring to and trying to negotiate with individual countries and people. They talk as if Von der Leyen, Barnier and Tusk are free agents instead of mouthpieces, working within the terms of mandates handed down to them by the EU27. They also seem to forget that individual countries and also about 10 or so autonomous regions have a veto and that that deals are not made by individual nations but with the unanimous approval of the EU27 Council. When they rubbish the preceding phrase all you have to ask them is “How come then that Wallonia, a mere autonomous region in Belgium could block CETA for a couple of months till its doubts regarding the agreement were dispelled.” I’m afraid that a lot of British people and, what is worse, do not understand how the EU works or its underlying philosophical ethos. This leads to the view that when nations and organisations other than Britain stick to their principles, which are contrary to what Britain wants, rather than being considered virtuous they are labelled as being obstinate and recalcitrant. As the CBI has said nobody is fully prepared for Brexit so it remains to be seen who is the most ill-prepared. There are, of course, provisional contingencies that have been worked out, mainly by the EU since the UK appears to have been busy doing nothing because it expected it to blink, so that “everything won’t grind to a halt but I think they do have timeframe limitations. Looking at things from a European perspective I honestly think I can say that, as opposed to your thoughts on the matter, there are going to be no quick fixes in the short term.
Of course its worse for the EU, Just wait till Poland and others have to give money into and just take. Then Germany is on the brink of recession, but now they will have to pay in more and also pay for the United Nations bills. Europe itself is about to collapse and we are out before all that upheavel starts. They make out that all of Europe is well off and none are like Greece.
Yeah here we go. Play the pass the buck game. The EU said ages ago that there was no more negotiations. That deal was thrashed out over the last 2 years. There won't be another one coming along. Typical Tories. Not taking responsibility for THEIR failure.
Theresa May colluded with the EU to make Brexit unpalatable. Her 'negotiations" were purely for domestic consumption. The British people finally saw through it, and now she has had to resign. The UK will leave the EU, and if the EU had any sense, it would offer a reasonable FTA.
Actually the Tory party GOT a deal.... parliament and all the remain MPs voted AGAINST a deal. No deal is the fault of every MP who voted against a deal.
@@ElectricInevitability It's the fault of May in the end. That deal should have been put to the people,seeing as we weren't told 3 years ago that Brexit would only go through WITH a deal. Once again we were conned into voting blindly for something that wasn't fully explained.
What a surprise , the EU are not going to change the WA deal they have already agreed with the Tory Government , they are not changing their mind , the Conservative and Unionist Party Government want to change their minds , after doing the WA deal . The Conservative and Unionist Party Government is an outright affront .
Gove has moved on from giving Scottish farmers nothing and his friends everything, he is now in the Duchy of Lancaster, basically an offshore account, is it not used by the Queen and Prince Charles??
hardly, this deal was struck by a remainer, it is ridiculously bad, if you like brino. they have a choice, we import £340 billion from the eu, if they wish to jeopardise this it is on them
@@richie4561 What exactly is bad about the deal? Of course they'll let 340 billion go when you're comparing it to the integrity of the single market worth 15 trillion.
@@TheGRAclan the main one is the fact that we cannot cancel the backstop, we are beholden to 27 other countries to agree to it. you mean france germany spain italy and britain woth most of the 15 trillion
@bucketsandshims Most likely get sanctions against us. From the EU and the US. The GFA will spark that and unemployment and businesses across the EU27 suffering and closing due to lose of business. Trade agreements are a legal requirement and take years to finalise. And where will this lead? Tensions. And it's repercussions are expected to be global. The Tory pet project brexit is very troublesome. A global recession can start wars. Be careful what you wish for and beware the law of unintended consequences. Cameron expected his referendum to pass with remain all the way. No thoughts as to where it could lead. No planning, no sense of direction, no idea of what opening Pandora's box would provoke.
@@lordbadman9264 have you actually looked at trade through the time? Typically complicated trade relationships are built-up over time, which the masses start to dislike so they break them and then everything is ruined!! Whole societies have vanished when people turn their back on trade relationships. The ridiculous thing is the complaints that people have with the EU, like their "excessive" regulations, apparently coexist with fast trade deals.
@@lordbadman9264 with due respect, we are not the nation that joined the Eu over 40 years ago, we don't have the manufacturing, most companies are foreign owned, including infrastructure. and from what i have read lately some deals are taking up to 20 years to agree on.
Takamatsu while I think Mays deal is the best deal the UK can get, it’s still loosing all influence while abiding to follow most of the rules. That’s not remaining.
Labour, like all parties, are just want to be in power and will fence-sit for the right moment to claim Brexit or Bremain whenever the moment seems best. They might be miffed that the LibDems have spoilt their reserve position's limelight.
Brexit is NOT a Labour problem and kudos to JC for treading carefully to prevent Labour acquiring the Brexit responsibility! Deal or No Deal, Brexit is going to do untold damage to the UK economy and the Conservative Party !!
And so it begins, the Brexiters - realising what a shitophany they are now pursuing, and unable to back out with dignity because they've convinced some voters that it's good - are making sure that they blame the EU. Pathetic.
I'm doing way better on Continental Europe than any given time for of 14 years on shitty British Isles. I'm asking myself why I've been wasting my life there?
@jai pennycuick I was born here and lived here all my life... BUT you are wrong and you are an embarrassment to many of your countrymen (assuming you're not just another paid foreign agitator haunting British media outlets) There are many nicer places in Europe and a lot of Europeans find Brits a dirty and ignorant bunch. You, all by yourself, managed to confirm you are an "Insel Affe" :-)
And you'll be hearing it plenty more as within a couple of months when half the country is shouting sack him, sack him. I can see the media already reporting all over the world. I'll be there front row with my popcorn.
It's a system that dates back to the 13th Century. Never been changed since then, while the French are on the 5th Republic and the Germans are on the 4th Reich or maybe 5th if you include the DDR. The UK is still using same system it started with all them years ago. While Franco, Napoleon, Mussolini, Stalin, Kaiser Wilhelm the 1st and 2nd, and countless other loonies have ruled over European states the UK has carried on with it's silly little 13th Century idea. It's called the mother of parliaments because it was the first. How anybody from Europe can criticise the British Parliament is very surprising to me. I would be too embarrassed of my own countries recalled. I don't know what country you are from but if you live in a democracy chances are it's because of the direct or indirect influence of the mother of all parliaments. Since historians agree that the idea of the house of commons lead to the American war of independence and then the French revolution.
Sorry Cathy that's rubbish. The MPs in Parlaiment have alraedy agreed to No Deal..it is an integral part of Article 50. nothing to change or update...they have already agreed it.
@@ernestrogen4639 When you say them, do you mean us? We are in the EU after all. Why's it always referred to as them as if we aren't in it? I also thought this they need us more then we need them nonsense had stopped years ago. The EU is after all the biggest single market in the world. The UK is a medium sized country of less than 70 million people.
@@ernestrogen4639 The EU with 27 member countries and 123 worldwide trade deals and is the biggest single trading market in the world or the UK with....hang on i will get my calculator ,er nothing..i'll calculate again ..... still nothing..
UK, please leave. Your farmers will be left dangling just like the American farmers after China declared a stop to buy American agricultural products. The car industry in UK will die when it dawns on the manufacturers that custom barriers will make British produced cars more expensive. And the list goes on and on. Why on earth should EU start to negotiate now? There is a deal signed with the former PM. Sorry old chap, you are on your own.
We voted to leave and yet all the govt have done is try to prevent this happening Ms May's deal was so bad it was rejected 3 times leaving with no deal is the better option yet rather than being United working together and make the best of that, all these MP's continue to ignore the vote to serve their own desires. Boris so far is the only one to say he will ensure he will do what was voted for no more putting it off hope he can do it and does do it.
Staying in the EU or revoking Article 50 can't be options, we already held a referendum on staying in the EU and leave won according to living in a democratically run country as the UK is supposed to be.
We've spent the last three years trying to implement the vote, and it's been a fucking nightmare. A democracy is allowed to have more democracy to change the situation. When do you hear of a country stopping all democracy to preserve democracy?
The british in 2016: We are finally free! Britain will rule the open seas once again! We're going to be rich! The british in 2016: May we have some more trade deals please? Anyone? We have marmite!!!
"Well I think that's wrong and sad." And that sounds like whinging that the EU isn't ignoring everything said and done up to this point. I suppose he thinks now that BJ is PM, the EU should fold their cards and pass the deal to the UK.
The Brits have never understood the founding idea of Europe. Leave, no deal, maybe in a few years the UK will get it. If not, it’s not really a loss, is it.
So the EU is willing to talk and negotiate but refuses to change its position on anything or allow any changes to the EU authored surrender document. In which language does that make a negotiation?
@@garsm2290 Rees Mogg moved his business or part of it to Dublin and Farage will have to move to France or German to be able to continue spending the Euros that he'll be getting from his MEP pension.
The uks hands are tied. The backstop won't get through parliament and if the eu does not want to alter it then they are forcing a no deal. If the person your negotiating with has no interest in a fair trade its best to walk away.
@@chadleach6009 Betrayal of the GFA will probably lead to the breakdown of the fragile peace on the island of Ireland. Will it tale the spilling over of violence onto the mainland once again to make Westminster heed the situation of their making?
@@boldford well since there is no risk of the gfa being violated this seems to be project fear 2.0. Why would the gfa be at risk from adding another border to the several that already exist?
@@chadleach6009 I'm not altogether sure you understand how the GFA has created over 20 years of peace. I suggest you speak to people that lived there before its signing.
In the end the EU does not need Britain. Britain does need EU trade. I see a country committing economic suicide. It pains me. As a Dutchman, we trade by far the most of all EU countries with Britain. But taking an EU perspective, there is a deal. It is postponed twice or so, and if the EU is ever to be taken seriously by anybody, it cannot be shown to be taken hostage by a breaking off member state.
Here's some advice for Mr. Raab: Don't slap your neighbours in the face - and moreover don't slap my neighbours and friends in the face. You are a disgrace.
No. It feels like it has taken three years to beat the leftists but we have finally done it and Brexit will be here very soon. Countries like the UK and the US are the start of a global push back against globalization.
@@terrymartin3224 that is not the right amount, rebate, anybody? And you fail to count everything we get back through exports to third countries by using the EU´s international trade treaties and WTO agreements. We have nothing in place and our Commonwealth "friends", that is, those we are interested in trading with, have already laughed at us when we tried to copy and paste the conditions we have as members of the EU. We are a small fish with a huge self-importance complex.
@@68tonyn Your source for this figure please. The fact is, and according to the HOC Library, "In 2018 the UK made an estimated gross contribution of £13.2 billion. The UK received £4.3 billion of public sector receipts from the EU, so the UK’s net public sector contribution to the EU was an estimated £8.9 billion." This gives a figure of around £171 million per week. The "rebate" we receive must be spent on what the EU says so I understand. By the way, all EU rebates are to cease within the next 5 years .... were you aware of that? "The European Commission ran into an immediate revolt from wealthy countries as it proposed ending their prized budget rebates in its blueprint for EU finances after Brexit. The Netherlands, Austria, and Denmark on Wednesday attacked Brussels’ plans to increase the EU's budget to €1.25tn over the next seven years and eliminate rebates. They have been used for decades to return money to states that foot a disproportionate cost of EU spending. Brussels has been refunding around €6bn a year to the likes of Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, Sweden and Denmark. With Britain’s EU exit leaving an annual budget hole of up to €17bn, Brussels wants to scrap this complex system of “correction” mechanisms over the next five years. Mark Rutte, Dutch prime minister, said ending rebates was “not a solution for the underlying problem of the unfair distribution of costs”. “The Netherlands therefore rejects it. The costs of funding the budget are not shared fairly. Brexit is already set to hit the Netherlands’ economy hard,” Mr Rutte said. Sebastian Kurz, Austria’s chancellor, also rejected the spending plans, saying they placed too large a burden on rich countries. “A smaller EU should mean a smaller budget,” tweeted Lars Løkke Rasmussen, Denmark's prime minister. But Jean-Claude Juncker, commission president, defended the plans, saying the rebates had to disappear “along with the UK”. “The calculation basis for the other rebates will disappear too,” said Mr Juncker." www.ft.com/content/5ce33318-4e1e-11e8-a7a9-37318e776bab
The whole notion that the UK has the strongest bargaining position striking a deal BEFORE exit, is nonsense. Right now, both among Remainers at home and among EU negotiators in Brussels, the process is going forward, not to maximize trade, BUT TO SCUTTLE THE REFERENDUM RESULT. Exiting first, but staying at the table will delete the Remain schemers from the equation, and get the focus of the talks solely on trade. Get out first, but stay firmly at the table. That's the only way to change the substance of any UK/EU trade deal for the better.
- exiting - staying at the table Pick one. When the UK has exited, it is no longer at the table. Of course it wants to have a trade deal with the EU, on which the EU is going to reply: fine, pay your debt, secure the rights of EU citizens in the UK, and agree to the backstop. No you say? Okay, thanks, bye. And the USA? Same story: _"The Democratic speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, has said that a US-UK trade deal has “no chance whatsoever” of passing in Congress."_ Why? In the US is a very powerful Irish lobby group influencing congress, and anything that might harm the Good Friday Agreement will get blocked, if needed for decades. So good luck with that.
@@GuusJanssen ... Except for 'remain, remain, remain', who knows what it is exactly you are trying to say? For reference, I did not mention the Good Friday Agreement, the backstop, or future US/UK trade deals. Apparently you take the position that the EU leaves the table if the UK exits first. Also...something about Irish lobbyists in the US Congress. Whatever. Have a good day. If at some point you respond in an understandable way, I'll be happy to reply.
@@frankhoffman3566 If you leave without a deal and try to stay at the table, the wait staff will ignore you BECAUSE BY LEAVING YOU HAVE ACCEPTED THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT. It's part of the exit fine print. The only way to stay at the table is to agree not to leave. If you can't understand that, I can only assume it is because you have some misguided belief that the UK is still some sort of mercantile superpower.
How often do you feed your unicorns? The EU is not only a trading bloc, they never lied about this but the UK lied to its people. Even if only about trade, in order to get a free trade deal both parts have to agree and follow common rules to meet quality standards, for instance. There will always a loss of complete unilateral decisions in any agreement. This is the part that idiots miss.
@@stephenlitten1789... I agree with this much -- to most, leaving with a deal means remaining. It's why there is such desperate language of ''over the cliff'' and ''crash out''. You are trying to create alarm and panic, not because you believe it will occur, but instead because YOU HOPE TO SNATCH A REMAIN VICTORY FROM THE JAWS OF DEFEAT. The notion that the EU will not talk to any possible trading partner, is a notion I find preposterous. The EU bureaucrats love to talk. They get paid quite a lot just to talk. It's what useless bureaucrats mostly do.
The EU did negotiate and a deal was agreed knob head - Britain has done the dirty and Welshed on the deal it agreed to - so Europe is done and , as no deal is much worse for the UK ( for the short period it will continue to exist) than for the EU . It is far from Britain first it is a act of self harm and demonstration of untrustworthiness that is hardly positive for future trust
I went to buy a car last week. Test drove it and agreed a price with dealer. We signed some forms. I returned this week demanding the dealer now throw in paying the first year of my tax and insurance for the agreed price. The dealer told me he can't do that. The dealer is being inflexible. How dare they not bend to my demands!
@@rivolinho Really? Why? May decided the date. That could be changed. Negotiated even. Maybe make a plan. (Good luck your car, whatever that has to do with anything... I hope it's not a diesel lying about its fitness)
The UK Government might have accepted it but it has to be passed by Parliament & it has failed 3 times to do that even when Boris voted for it. That is how our democracy works. Where do you live..China ?
@@jwadaow The point was that the EU participated in, and finished, negotiating, in contrast to Gove's claim about the EU: "They don't write, they don't call..." The EU was probably amazed when the UK negotiated a deal and then came back knocking on the door again a few days later.
Why on earth would the EU negotiate when they can see the Remain dominated parliament will do everything they can to thwart Brexit? That is the whole purpose of taking no deal of the table. It is not to stop no deal it is just a cynical and underhand way of thwarting Brexit.
Child 1: I want to stay up all night and eat all my sweeties and play Fortnite with my virtual buddies around the world Friends: Ok, but your on your own. Child 1: Now I want you to jump up and down, serve me my din-dins and dress how I say. Friends: No Child 1: That’s really naughty and unfair and cruel of you all. UK Leaders, get a grip.
We all knew who was going to get the blame, the EU for staying with the same planes for the last two and a half years, having got 27 other countries to agree , yet these clowns can't even agree between themselves, but all of a sudden it's the fault of the EU because we want to leave but have a better arrangement that the other 27 , unbelievable.
What part of "We give you an extension to October but the deal is not re-negotiable" is the one they did not understand in April 2019? ....and they were sure thay could sort everything out before June...they are ridiculous
The EU are not refusing to negotiate - they simply do not see the point in reopening negotiations with the UK current red lines. And yes this EU stance could very well lead to a no-deal Brexit which is not good for anyone, but any future trading agreements that the UK are hoping to arrange with the EU will be stalled until the Irish border situation is resolved satisfactorily for both ireland and the EU. So this is going to roll on and on for many more years by the looks of it lol.
or the UK will simply learn to live without the EU and migrate trade to other countries or *gasp* revert back to selling local produce in the UK instead of exporting it. Most of the UKs economic power comes from financial and tech sectors, and the Eu has no control over those, as dearly as it years to remove finance from London to Berlin. And then there is the USA, Canada. Australia, already preparing free trade agreements to come into effect 9AM day one post Brexit. We will manage. Because there is no alternative. The Backstop is dead. That deal will never pass the UK parliament, and if the Eu insist on making that deal the price of future trade, then so be it. We cant oblige, so no more german cars for us. no more French food. No more Eu imports at all I guess. Germany may already be in recession. What do you think cutting off all trade to the second biggest economy in Europe will do to help that? In your own words "lol"
@@tuga9999 So stupid that I know that the EU deal is not going to pass the UK parliament because it has been rejected three times now. Where as you are so smart you think there is some reality in which the EU glares hard enough and the Uk rolls over. Enjoy that delusion.
@@lesigh1749 it is not the EU's fault that the current deal which was 3 years in the making with representatives of the British government will not pass the House. Again this is a UK problem - not a EU problem. The EU have been clear for sometime that the current deal is the only deal - they are more than happy to open talks with Johnson about changing some of the wording of the current deal but the structure,including the backstop,will not be altered. Citizen rights, the financial settlement and the Irish border - all of these will need to addressed before any future trading arrangement can be negotiated. Again this is nothing new for this has always been the situation - a no-deal exit will not change these requirements. Why do the UK believe that the EU will suddenly change their stance? Both sides are too entrenched and neither seem to interest in talks to resolve the current impasse.
@@arthurgoodness7865 Errr.....Under Article 50 a 'Withdrawal Deal' is not required. Neither is what May negotiated a 'deal' - it is a Treaty between the UK and the EU - not mandated by the UK Parliament and not agreed to under the 2016 Referendum. Unfortunately this IS an EU problem - for three years the EU and its compliant media partners in the main European countries have been convincing everyone that a 'deal' favouring the EU will be negotiated. It won't. 'The EU have been clear for some time that the current deal is the only deal' - and that is how 'partners' negotiate, is it? One side dictates the terms and the other has no choice? Citizen's 'rights' have already been agreed, the 'financial settlement' - which the UK is under no obligation to pay - MIGHT be negotiated, the Irish 'backstop' is a nonsense confected by May, Barnier, and their compliant puppet Varadkar to stop Brexit. Varadkar is already coming under increasing pressure from his own electorate to alter his stance... DO keep up.....!
Nope they don't! Germany is a stronger country than the UK. You wish to be as good and efficient as the Germans but unfortunately you are not...Then Brexit happened.
Britain is so screwed. The EU has little to no reason to negotiate except for Ireland. So long as the Republic of Ireland is relatively happy, Britain has virtually no leverage. So Britain's economy will go into a tailspin, and with that, and issues with Ireland, Northern Ireland and Scotland will each seek to break away.
yeah so screwed. it's not like we have the whole world to trade with. it's not like the USA are already lining up to make deals as soon as we leave. we have a huge amount of leverage, and no, the economy won't tailspin. you are utterly deluded and seem to believe everything the media and other """Experts"""" spew, even though they've been wrong on almost everything for the past 4 years.
The EU don't seem to understand how our democracy works. Teresa May might have agreed to the deal but it has to be passed by parliament & it has failed 3 times to do that even when it was supported by Boris. The main problem being the backstop. Labour could have supported it if they really were concerned about a No Deal but they are only interested in bringing down the government. So unless the EU move there doesn't seem any way of avoiding No Deal apart from asking the EU for endless extensions which will keep us in limbo for the rest of time.
You fail to grasp the role of the backstop. A no deal exit means a hard border there. "So unless the EU move" It's not just the EU, is it? Or do you genuinely not understand the backstop?
If a manufacturer opens in Germany's that's Project Fear. If Rees-Mogg opens a fund in Dublin that's okay ..... the UK is diminished either way of course, but the public-schoolboy Brexiteers don't care.
May negotiated already. Either the UK is in or out. Defecate already or get off the pot. My suspicion though it's if the UK opts for a 'no deal', they'll come crawling back to the EU or disassociate itself into one lonely island. Wales, Ireland, and Scotland will leave the Union, join the EU, and say good riddance.
1. We gave them a deal, their government said yes to that deal, the next steps are an internal matter of the UK; 2. When your entire campaign was: the EU is enslaving us and we will break free from the tyranny of the EU... to talk about "friendly relations" is delusional... Last, but not least: "it's not in Europe's interest?" We decide what's in our interest, we are free and independent and we're not colonies to have Gove decide for us. Maybe someone forgot to tell him and his master Boris that this isn't the 19th century. And someone please tell Rees-Mogg that... he still looks and talks like the Crimean War is still on :)
So unless I’ve misunderstood some aspects of current English sentiments, being a foreigner after all, the EU should be thankful for the brexiteers wanting to have their cake and eat it and letting the EU pick up the crumbs? After all if the brexit is hard enough queen Victoria will come back! Who wouldn’t want that?
Fhjthnl Lol Iuyo I see your point. You decided to leave and get rid of the EU shackles and yet expect the EU to offer conditions you can reject until the offer is acceptable. Elementary! Hey what about this, after you leave you can demand royalties for every occasion English is spoken by an EU citizen?
Britain should stand strong, be brave to Brexit without any deal, why let the EU to dictate Britain and its future, especially in terms of its economics, legal and immigration policies. It is better to walk the path of short term infinity, and possible long term gain.
I don't understand how the Majority who voted to leave are not having there votes respected, this is not democracy, 3years wasted, just leave on the 31st of October this year & get on with, this waffling is getting is nowhere🙄😥
The EU is not going to give a non EU member a good deal. That’s not how unions work.
why would you give a NON EU member a better deal than an ACTUAL MEMBER. Indeed Totaal hit the nail.
They are offering good deals... the UK just wants even better ones, which the EU wont grant them.
Good reason to walk away from them and trade under WTO terms which are fair to both sides. Those WTO terms allow trade to flow with few problems and under those terms the UKs world trade has grown and is bigger than our EU trade since 2009. It works for the bigger world it can also work for the EU trade with the UK.
@@ernestrogen4639 No counties trade under WTO .... the WTO is unelected and has no powers .. name a country that trades under WTO rules.... The WTO was created to aid third world countries... WeakTradeOrganisation
Fine. They can whistle for the £39 billion they are asking for then can't they.
"Look at these Europeans refusing to take responsibility for our actions and refusing to change the consequences of our choices"
Well done UK. 😂
Couldn't agree more... they seem to really believe that. How egocentric...
You sound like a cry baby remainer
they have a history of changing anything if it suits them even when it is set in stone
Gove was the crying baby here. Breaking news, you can't have membership privileges without paying for your membership. Welcome to the real world of how trading works, it's the largest trading block who hold most cards, doh! More disappointments to come...
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How am I supposed to negotiate when the EU won't let me win?
"Let me just say, that...that...that I hold all the cards, and the EU had better fold. Look, I have an Ace, a 2, a 3, a 5 and an 8. I have a fibonacci, I win!"
@rpbsjy - If you're going to talk about maths, the prime factor is that you have to square it with both sides lest the ignorant call you hypocritical... Start well, 1, 4, 6 then slide back to 1 - a Pascal.Have two 1's and waste everyone's time saying it's a 2 - a Gödel.Claim the cards make God's phone number - a Russell.Claim you had the same hand another played earlier - a Leibnitz.Keep going round and round playing the same card - a Kepler.Bang on about the cards being a nice shape - a Euclid.Throw them all on the table without thinking - a Homer.Play with 0 or 1 and say you've got any card - a Lovelace.Look at other player's cards and tell them how to win - a Nash.Recognising a slippery slope and where it'll end - a Thales.Watch your cards shrink under slightest pressure - a Boyle.Play with one or another hand depending on who's playing - a Boole.Stretch their credibility to breaking point - a Hooke.Drop and watch them crash to the floor - a Newton.See that playing is exponentially pointless - a Napier.So play with absolutely zero cards - a Kelvin!
Gove’s cleverly worded statement is designed to shift blame to Brussels in the eyes of the British public over a no deal.
@John Smith It's not the EU's position that has been rejected by Parliament - it's the withdrawal agreement drawn up by the British government and the EU after two years of negotiations. The EU's position is that a carefully negotiated deal with the UK that took into account Theresa May's red lines has been worked out.
@@sirsydneycamm1883 dude, it was a joke...
*Well this is a shock...*
The EU has said multiple times that they're not going to reopen the negotiations and they're not reopening the negotiations.
Who would have thought.
See, and here I would have thought the EU would have realized a deal defeated 3 times in parliament is equally if not more dead.
@@chadleach6009 No deal was always an option. And the only option besides the withdrawal agreement.
I can't even count the times i've heard "no deal is better than a bad deal".
Get on, get out.
@@chadleach6009 Do you not see the flaw in your reasoning?
It's been defeated in Parliament therefore it should be rejected by the EU.
@@Michelle_Schu-blacka the deal being rejected by the UK parliament is what the eu wants to get through tho.
Logic follows if you want something you negotiate and compromise, especially if what your offering has already been rejected 3 times.
Is the eu insane or something because expecting different results from the same action is a definition of it.
@@aufgeklart6690 the issue is there are people in the UK dead set against that votes result from being carried out.
Hopefully this will be over by November.
The EU have spent 3 years negotiating with the UK. Blaming the EU won't wash I'm afraid.
@@pauldrysdale7615 no it won't
Why would EU negotiate (again) when UK 🇬🇧 is leaving anyway?
If it wanted access to the 39 billion it earmarked for member states or wants a trade deal with its single largest export market then it needs to.
@@chadleach6009 Without an agreement, it won't be 39 billion that May managed to get, it will be the full figure, wich is somewhere over 100 billion.
Any refusal to pay this will account for a breach of faith by Britain, and who wants to deal with cheaters and liars?
BTW: since the Brexit referendum, the EU has signed FTA's accounting for more than the loss of the British market.
@@GorinRedspear comedy statement this one.
@2Crassus Crassus lol so no retort?
@William Stewart kewl! lets just move to the eu to work in the new factories that aren't beingbuilt in britain anymore. NOICE!
Why would the EU want to do this again?
Because Boris Johnson has such awesome haircut and sense of humour
JS, the EU was lenient long enough, again and again there was an extension for england, enough is enough !!
Because it's Groundhog Day every day, in the UK for the past two years.
Because Germany is going into recession
@@alexanderhowarth6460 In recession now and maybe stronger again tomorrow. The UK has also been in recession...
The Tories said they don't want to negotiate and as such got exactly what they wanted
How can a "Minister of No Deal" start claiming that "No Deal" is anybody else's idea?!
populists in a nutshell
as long as the eu keeps acting like the uk is a little child that should simply do as it's told, as it did to greece, it is the eu that is steering towards a no deal brexit as they have been since the beginning.
you're lucky you've finally got a prime minister that seems to be serious about leaving the eu... doing what may should have done, start negotiating with no-deal as leverage. we still have a bunch of globalist fanthings at th helm here.
@@dawatcherz Bojo is a populist idiot that has not a care for the ordinary working people. Sadly you have fallen for his repeated lies.
@@dawatcherz no deal as a negotiating tool. Well how does that go.
1 start off with membership of Eu go into negotiations rip that up.
2 start talking saying we will leave without a deal , demand the Eu changes the arrangements for other 27 change the Eu.
3 demand that there is no requirements for U.K. to pay any of fees going forward such as pensions etc .
5 demand cake and eat it told to get lost.
6leave with no deal No trade and no mean to develop trade deal as they take a number of years.
Like buying a car
1drive to car dealership
2take car to breakers yard at back of dealer
3get offered bad deal from dealer
4refuse deal
5 go home by bus with no car
How stupid is that!
@@dawatcherz ... dream on your lies that you like so much. Brexit will destroy GB ... a pity England may survive... LOL
There was more than enough negotiation already.
Stay or leave - your decision. Just decide and go with it and stop complaining.
I agree, the eu does not want a deal that benefits both sides so leaving without a deal is the best option at this time. Lets the eu move on from brexit to focus on domestic issues while the UK can get on with forging global trade deals and saves 39 billion too boot.
Win win.
Don't believe the hype. We want out and as for complaining. That's just the minority.
@Alfa&Omega 00000 didn't benefit both at all. Benefited the failing EU that's on the cusp of a recession.
@Alfa&Omega 00000 you mean the free trade deal that may rejected?
@Alfa&Omega 00000 collapsing uk?? Heard it all now!!
EU said it was the only deal and that they would not renegotiate. What part of that did you not understand?
What part of were leaving the eu deal or no deal do you not understand ?
@@keithsymons5708 The Official Leave campaign stated over and over again that no deal was never their aim, they always planned on a deal
The earliest I can find No deal mentioned was January 2017. You didn't vote for a no deal - but it is strange just how fast people like yourself can incorporate a lie into your belief and then think it was your original position all along.
@@AF-ei5yi it was never there plan to go for a no deal but it takes two to tango if the eu is going to be intransigent then no deal is the fall back position ?
@@keithsymons5708 well, you are still here. Still blaming everyone but yourself for not coming up with something that even you can agree on. People in the EU perfectly understand that you want to leave by now, it seems tho, you guys still haven't really gotten it.
@QueensBridge Murderer Well maybe David Cameron should have thought about what the consequences would have been before he decided to have a vote on being part of the EU.Its entirely his fault whats going on but the people have voted leave the EU and if its not honoured you,ll end up with a situation like whats happening in Hong Kong at the moment or similar.
UK: Give us what we want or we will leave without a deal
EU: Fine, bye.
UK: But.. But.. we need to negotiate
EU: No, bye
Not quite that simple.....but perhaps you are.
@@paullamkin4062 Haha Brilliant. True Paul.
@@paullamkin4062 Things are as easy or complicated as you want to make them, but Bo-Jo the Clown winning the Premiership by claiming he could re-negotiate with the EU was just a bald-faced lie.
@@barryfowles-zl5ib He could try to re-negotiate a deal, he never actually promised he would make a deal. Big difference. He never lied about that.
UK: Ok, you don't get the £39 billion that you asked for. Toodle pip!
you go to a shop to pick up an item, you negotiate a price with the shop keeper, then you threaten to walk away if he doesn't adhere to your new demands. he says he can't then you go out crying to the world that the shop keeper is being unfair for not wanting to renegotiate on your terms. crazy world we live in.
@Brad Smith well that wasn't what gove said was it? plus the other shop keepers too have got their own demands and bargaining tactics too.
i don't mind the venturing into the world of the unknown, what i resent is crying foul when things don't go your way.
@@Anchor0690 this^
@Brad Smith question, who takes it out of the uks hands? did the uk not initiate the process in the first place? just like saying you jump the red light then you get a fine and say someone took the response out of your hands.
with our 12% of EU assets that belong to us
@Brad Smith But the world of other shop keepers are few and far apart, and they are in a position of force, because they don't care about you, you are the beggar...
The backstop has an easy solution, give up the colony in Ireland.
It's the majority of people of Northern Ireland who want to be British, it's not being forced, they've had a referendum on it and 99% voted to remain British.
@@Billy2011C that was in 1973, things have changed since then.
@@pauldrysdale7615 reunification of the 4th province is inevitable and getting closer everyday due to this clown car of a British government. Time the unionists started learning a new anthem!
@@strayreborn5384
For example?
Are you going to give up Catalonia?
Once again, Labour doesn't care about Remain or Leave or Brexit, they just want to be in Government. Chancers.
and Boris, Cameron and May were not chancers!, come off it, Labour cant be blamed for this mess although you have no shame by trying. The only reason we are in this mess is because the Torrie's wanted to hang on to power no matter what happens to the country
@@RonWylie-gk5lc I agree with your statement about the Tories - this is in their DNA. However, at a time when a Government of National Unity would seem like to best approach to tackle the Brexit problem, Labour is just looking into gaining power. So party and power first, country second (which is what the Tories have always done).
Both labour and the torries should be wiped out and banned from the government.
Anyone who has issues with the UK leaving the EU..................you know where the door is.
GTOOtt ..... In your head where the goldfish lives..
I hate how many times people like Gove say "it's not in Europe's interest"
Europe knows perfectly well what is and what isn't in it's best interest.
Even with that he shows how stupid he is. The UK is part of Europe, we all are Europeans. He should say the EU, not Europe.
May's surrender deal and £39 Billion is in the E.U's intrests.
Those idiots still think they can win a game of chicken against a trading block ten times their size.
The British got loads of concessions, like staying outside the Eurozone and of course the UK was a major player in EU decisions. If they decide in due course to join the single market they won't be EU members and won't have an say, and if they in some time apply to rejoin a) they's have to join the Eurozone and b) would probably face opposition to their joining from so many of the 27 countries their behaviour has alienated. Historians will judge Brexit an extraordinary act of self-harm and struggle to explain it.
@Gordon Welford As long as you understand that you are a European yourself, you can be as idiot as you please.
It seems to me some politicians in the UK are totally fine to sacrifice democratic principles to get their way.And some of them have been complaining about the EU being undemocratic...
@demarcation Speaking of a referendum, why not get a second one? After all, it's been three years, perhaps the people have changed their minds, don't you think?
@demarcation I do very like our new Frankish Empire, you can go and be an island full of barbarians again, nobody is trying to stop you except those amongst yourselves that don't want to be North Greece
@demarcation I wasn't refering to the referendum but to the fact that some leavers seem to be willing to ingore parliament just "force" a hard brexit and some remainers seem to be willing to call for the queen to step in..
ok, now you are totally nuts.. have a nice day.
EU wouldnt know what democracy was if it fell over it
Gove, you muppet, what on earth did you expect?!
Very little, probably, but he has to sound wounded.
Gove is a geezer, a bloke of quality, one of my people, you mug!
If you look at Gove's past you will find he has never had two braincells to rub together.
WibblyPigNZ exactly what he can expect from this undemocratic union.
@@bh7945 You mean the UK right? UK democracy is a joke.
Gove has No problem lying directly to a camera it seems
Has he forgotten that the UK/EU spent 2+ years ALREADY NEGOTIATING AND AGREEING a deal
The UK is unable to stand over it's word anymore??? , why should anybody take them seriously ??
But it’s a DEAD deal ! The previous government tried 3 times to get through parliament , stop flogging a dead donkey .
BTW it’s not even a ‘deal’ yet , that would have been the next stage ) either way parliament WILL still reject it .
even IF Boris changes HIS mind , and got behind Mays withdrawal Agreement,
It’s a new UK Government , and it’s a New EU parliament , we need a new Withdrawal agreement that CAN get the approval of both the EU and the UK , and does not lock us in to whatever trade deal the EU want to give us.
We need to be able to walk away, as someone once ( or twice ) said, No Deal is Better than a Bad Deal , and a bad deal is what the EU will offer if they lock us in to a bad Withdrawal Agreement .
Aaron Giles If you want a no deal, then it’s great news that the EU refuse to negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement, as then you get to paint them as the instigator of the No Deal .
It’s very possible the EU are doing exactly what Boris hoped the would do . ( initially at least)
@Ady P the EU has clorinated salad
@Aaron Giles What don't you understand about the words "Withdrawal Agreement" that was signed by the current UK government ???
It was agreed upon and it's the government's responsibility to agree something that will be passed into law
Why should the EU make another agreement with a government that has No word
@Aaron Giles the USA has already said the NHS is off limits if the UK says so. More fake news.
Do you think immigration at 300k a year has reduced wages for the poor?
m.independent.ie/business/jobs/not-enough-migrants-arriving-to-keep-pay-down-central-bank-38356212.html
Politicians putting their egos before the people they serve. Parliament needs wiping clean.
"Negotiate in good faith". says Michael Gove. Why should the EU have good faith in a country that agrees to make long term investments and half way decides to quit and now threatens to not pay them? there were years of negotiations resulting in a withdrawn agreement on both sides, that could not be sold to the house of commons, this is an internal UK problem, don't point to the EU.
The EU must not give Boris Johnson one inch!
The EU is Not a Supermarket . If you want to leave you leave . You are not in the position to make the rules. Sorry time is over
@geheimschriver but even if you Hey to make a dial you are not the Person which makes the rules.
Guess who's in the weaker position. But it's all the EUs fault
@stephen morris Guess those 48 = 52 since you still havn't left after 3 years.
@stephen morris you just to stupid to understand how stupid you are!!!
@ you just to stupid to understand how stupid you are!!!
The EU will always be blamed irrespective of the Tory debacle !
If the deal won't go through parliament we have to renegotiate. That's why it's called negotiating. Duh. If one side won't negotiate then it's not a negotiation. So, yes, it is the EU's fault.
UK politicians may have time to waste by restarting the negotiations that have gone on since 2016 from scratch but there are 27 countries that have other fish to fry and that basically wish to preserve the organisation to which they belong. Besides, there is the added bonus to no deal, i.e. no extension, of being able to send Farrago Farage and loony Auntie Annie back home. In any case isn't the EU going to crumble to dust in a couple of years anyway? Why should the UK want to make a deal with a failing organisation when "global" Britain will be making all those wonderful trade deals we keep hearing so much about? Just go off on 31 October and sort out your domestic political situation which, from this side of the channel, looks pretty dodgy at the moment.
@mcr1jp I get over to Ireland acouple of times a year to visit family and friends. Mainly Dublin and Athlone but I haven't met anyone there yet that doesn't think the UK has gone stark staring bonkers for leaving the biggest and most successful trading bloc in the world. The same goes for friends and family in other EU countries.
@@miltoncadman7033 I know and I'm sorry for them but this situation is basically a domestic one for the UK to resolve and, as most educated people in Europe have come to realise it is the result of a cat fight in the Tory Party. In spite of the over powerful, authoritarian image of the EU that the UK mass media has pumped out over decades there isn't much the EU can do about it except watch. The unfortunate thing is that although Brexit will hit the UK more than the EU on average those countries in the EU most negatively impacted might not be kindly disposed when, eventually, a new UK/EU relationship starts to be negotiated . UK politicians have opened Pandora's box and unleashed something over which they have little or no real control. It is and will continue to be a mess for goodness knows how long but it is not the EU's problem. The EU's primary task is to look after the 27 and their 450 million plus inhabitants.
@@maxharbig1167The hardest hit single country in a no deal, tariff situation would undoubtedly be Germany. They have the largest trade surplus with UK and stand to lose a lot financially unless a joint no tariff agreement is made short term. Yes, of course the UK would also be hit but they would have not had to pay a hefty "divorce" sum to the EU which would help mitigate the UK hit. Germany on the other hand would find itself in the position of either having to make up the majority of the budget shortfall without UK contribution OR cutting back on the budget.
The time for a truly Global united world will come given enough time for national identities to blur sufficiently and a culture of Humanity to be acceptable to all people but trying to force it through now is premature and is being pushed by people who want it to happen in their lifetimes.
@@johnsmith-ky5qgSounds a bit like that phrase that was bandied about in the UK “German car manufacturers will beat a path to Merkel’s door to get a good deal for Britain.” I haven’t heard it much lately but then again Bernhard Mattes, President of the VDA (German Association of the Automobile Industries) and Dieter Kempf , President of the BDI (Federation of German Industries) have both publicly stated, on behalf of their memberships, that the preservation of the single market is more important to their members than the loss of UK trade.
So, Budgets will have to be revised down but would probably have to be anyway as we’re all heading into what looks like a global recession.
It’s not as if the poor old UK is the most significant pillar propping up the crumbling EU.
The following are the percentages of the first 5 net contributors to the EU Budget 2018 that accounted for 72.75% of the total: Germany 21.11%, France 16.44%, Italy 13.64%, UK 13.05% and Spain 8.51%.
So, financially it looks like the UK has, or should I say had, a pretty good deal.
Just as the music in the UK has changed from “to the sunny uplands” and “the easiest deal in human history” to something like any possible sacrifices will be worth it to regain sovereignty so the EU has decided that any possible sacrifices on its part are worthwhile to preserve the single market, customs union and the integral nature of the EU itself.
People in the UK keep making the mistake of referring to and trying to negotiate with individual countries and people. They talk as if Von der Leyen, Barnier and Tusk are free agents instead of mouthpieces, working within the terms of mandates handed down to them by the EU27.
They also seem to forget that individual countries and also about 10 or so autonomous regions have a veto and that that deals are not made by individual nations but with the unanimous approval of the EU27 Council.
When they rubbish the preceding phrase all you have to ask them is “How come then that Wallonia, a mere autonomous region in Belgium could block CETA for a couple of months till its doubts regarding the agreement were dispelled.”
I’m afraid that a lot of British people and, what is worse, do not understand how the EU works or its underlying philosophical ethos.
This leads to the view that when nations and organisations other than Britain stick to their principles, which are contrary to what Britain wants, rather than being considered virtuous they are labelled as being obstinate and recalcitrant.
As the CBI has said nobody is fully prepared for Brexit so it remains to be seen who is the most ill-prepared.
There are, of course, provisional contingencies that have been worked out, mainly by the EU since the UK appears to have been busy doing nothing because it expected it to blink, so that “everything won’t grind to a halt but I think they do have timeframe limitations.
Looking at things from a European perspective I honestly think I can say that, as opposed to your thoughts on the matter, there are going to be no quick fixes in the short term.
Uk: do what I want or I will punch myself in the face.
EU: ok
UK: *punches self in face* look the EU is assaulting me
EU: meh
Great metaphore!
😅😅😅😅eu 😅😅😅😅
The most moronic comment I've ever seen on UA-cam, keep up the good work
@Longbows Drawn lol then tell me how no deal is worse for EU than UK. Give those delusional data.
Of course its worse for the EU, Just wait till Poland and others have to give money into and just take. Then Germany is on the brink of recession, but now they will have to pay in more and also pay for the United Nations bills. Europe itself is about to collapse and we are out before all that upheavel starts. They make out that all of Europe is well off and none are like Greece.
Yeah here we go. Play the pass the buck game. The EU said ages ago that there was no more negotiations. That deal was thrashed out over the last 2 years. There won't be another one coming along. Typical Tories. Not taking responsibility for THEIR failure.
Theresa May colluded with the EU to make Brexit unpalatable. Her 'negotiations" were purely for domestic consumption. The British people finally saw through it, and now she has had to resign. The UK will leave the EU, and if the EU had any sense, it would offer a reasonable FTA.
Actually the Tory party GOT a deal.... parliament and all the remain MPs voted AGAINST a deal. No deal is the fault of every MP who voted against a deal.
@@ElectricInevitability It's the fault of May in the end. That deal should have been put to the people,seeing as we weren't told 3 years ago that Brexit would only go through WITH a deal. Once again we were conned into voting blindly for something that wasn't fully explained.
What a surprise , the EU are not going to change the WA deal they have already agreed with the Tory Government , they are not changing their mind , the Conservative and Unionist Party Government want to change their minds , after doing the WA deal . The Conservative and Unionist Party Government is an outright affront .
Gove has moved on from giving Scottish farmers nothing and his friends everything, he is now in the Duchy of Lancaster, basically an offshore account, is it not used by the Queen and Prince Charles??
hardly, this deal was struck by a remainer, it is ridiculously bad, if you like brino. they have a choice, we import £340 billion from the eu, if they wish to jeopardise this it is on them
@@richie4561 What exactly is bad about the deal? Of course they'll let 340 billion go when you're comparing it to the integrity of the single market worth 15 trillion.
@@richie4561 Thats a lot of money, but they wont risk the EU for that.
@@TheGRAclan the main one is the fact that we cannot cancel the backstop, we are beholden to 27 other countries to agree to it. you mean france germany spain italy and britain woth most of the 15 trillion
No negotiations are required, we're leaving, get used to it.
We're not. You'll see.
Bye you inbred islander
there is no evidence of a quick deal in trade. look at the evidence of the last 40 years.
Nick Musselle considering trade has been going on since humans have sold to one another for thousands of years I would say that is your evidence
Uh, you mean where we have seen the largest explosion of inexpensive goods from around the world at any point in history?
@bucketsandshims Most likely get sanctions against us. From the EU and the US. The GFA will spark that and unemployment and businesses across the EU27 suffering and closing due to lose of business. Trade agreements are a legal requirement and take years to finalise. And where will this lead? Tensions. And it's repercussions are expected to be global. The Tory pet project brexit is very troublesome. A global recession can start wars.
Be careful what you wish for and beware the law of unintended consequences. Cameron expected his referendum to pass with remain all the way. No thoughts as to where it could lead. No planning, no sense of direction, no idea of what opening Pandora's box would provoke.
@@lordbadman9264 have you actually looked at trade through the time? Typically complicated trade relationships are built-up over time, which the masses start to dislike so they break them and then everything is ruined!! Whole societies have vanished when people turn their back on trade relationships.
The ridiculous thing is the complaints that people have with the EU, like their "excessive" regulations, apparently coexist with fast trade deals.
@@lordbadman9264 with due respect, we are not the nation that joined the Eu over 40 years ago, we don't have the manufacturing, most companies are foreign owned, including infrastructure. and from what i have read lately some deals are taking up to 20 years to agree on.
After more than 3 years, Labour still do not have a clear Brexit position... exasperating.
They weren't remain or they would have voted for May's deals.
Takamatsu while I think Mays deal is the best deal the UK can get, it’s still loosing all influence while abiding to follow most of the rules. That’s not remaining.
Labour, like all parties, are just want to be in power and will fence-sit for the right moment to claim Brexit or Bremain whenever the moment seems best. They might be miffed that the LibDems have spoilt their reserve position's limelight.
The last suggestion I heard from Corbyn was him putting forward the idea of staying in the Customs Union and Single market.
Brexit is NOT a Labour problem and kudos to JC for treading carefully to prevent Labour acquiring the Brexit responsibility! Deal or No Deal, Brexit is going to do untold damage to the UK economy and the Conservative Party !!
Typical Brits thinking they’re bigger than a continent of nations.
“ITS THE EU WEHHH THEY WONT MAKE A DEAL WEHH”
Smh
All the eu would have to do is drop the backstop or go for a fta like was proposed in 2018.
They will try now you divvy!
And so it begins, the Brexiters - realising what a shitophany they are now pursuing, and unable to back out with dignity because they've convinced some voters that it's good - are making sure that they blame the EU. Pathetic.
dvdbedford no surprise there... it was expected...
Cobblers
Salty remoaners crying hard.
@@KatchouroBlade you just to stupid to understand how stupid you are!!!
dvdbedford yes and yes again
The EU HAVE negotiated with UK. DONE!
JUST LEAVE .....
Well, we have our problems, but at least we don't live in the UK
- Every EU citizen
@jai pennycuick no we would not, there are much better places that the U. K. to live
I'm doing way better on Continental Europe than any given time for of 14 years on shitty British Isles. I'm asking myself why I've been wasting my life there?
@jai pennycuick
Sorry.
Food sucks, weather sucks, and you put carpets in bathrooms.
Ewww.
@jai pennycuick I was born here and lived here all my life... BUT you are wrong and you are an embarrassment to many of your countrymen (assuming you're not just another paid foreign agitator haunting British media outlets)
There are many nicer places in Europe and a lot of Europeans find Brits a dirty and ignorant bunch.
You, all by yourself, managed to confirm you are an "Insel Affe" :-)
@jai pennycuick
I don't know who's going there, but I agree that moving to UK now is really something a retard would do, probably for the company.
WE ARE ALREDY OUT..!
ON THE 29th MARCH..!
WE WILL NEVER GIVE IN..!
"ask the queen to sack the Prime Minister"...I've heard it all now.
Unbelievable
Johann Kugelschreiber probable lol
And you'll be hearing it plenty more as within a couple of months when half the country is shouting sack him, sack him. I can see the media already reporting all over the world. I'll be there front row with my popcorn.
L Bj I’ll be there with you - cheers Gove, Raab and Boris to the sewers. Then we will be after farage!
It's a system that dates back to the 13th Century. Never been changed since then, while the French are on the 5th Republic and the Germans are on the 4th Reich or maybe 5th if you include the DDR. The UK is still using same system it started with all them years ago. While Franco, Napoleon, Mussolini, Stalin, Kaiser Wilhelm the 1st and 2nd, and countless other loonies have ruled over European states the UK has carried on with it's silly little 13th Century idea. It's called the mother of parliaments because it was the first. How anybody from Europe can criticise the British Parliament is very surprising to me. I would be too embarrassed of my own countries recalled. I don't know what country you are from but if you live in a democracy chances are it's because of the direct or indirect influence of the mother of all parliaments.
Since historians agree that the idea of the house of commons lead to the American war of independence and then the French revolution.
UK =60mil.people
EU =400mil. People
What deal????
@ESIREYEWUN SANNI EU =400 mil people.
EU =90 COUNTRY TRADE DEAL
EU+90 COUNTRY =700 MIL PEOPLE
UK =65 mil people
What deal???????????
Sorry Cathy that's rubbish. The MPs in Parlaiment have alraedy agreed to No Deal..it is an integral part of Article 50. nothing to change or update...they have already agreed it.
Gove why should the EU give you a new deal? You choose for Brexit.
easy answer to that Chris they want our money and free access to the UK market which is worth more to the EU than the UK.
@@ernestrogen4639 When you say them, do you mean us? We are in the EU after all. Why's it always referred to as them as if we aren't in it? I also thought this they need us more then we need them nonsense had stopped years ago. The EU is after all the biggest single market in the world. The UK is a medium sized country of less than 70 million people.
@@ernestrogen4639 The EU with 27 member countries and 123 worldwide trade deals and is the biggest single trading market in the world or the UK with....hang on i will get my calculator ,er nothing..i'll calculate again ..... still nothing..
UK, please leave. Your farmers will be left dangling just like the American farmers after China declared a stop to buy American agricultural products. The car industry in UK will die when it dawns on the manufacturers that custom barriers will make British produced cars more expensive.
And the list goes on and on.
Why on earth should EU start to negotiate now? There is a deal signed with the former PM.
Sorry old chap, you are on your own.
@Letocetum sulley You still need to negotiate trade deals with the members of the Commonwealth. It is NOT an automatic thing.
You do realise that Britian has a trade deficit with EU, it would be worse for Europe.
We voted to leave and yet all the govt have done is try to prevent this happening Ms May's deal was so bad it was rejected 3 times leaving with no deal is the better option yet rather than being United working together and make the best of that, all these MP's continue to ignore the vote to serve their own desires. Boris so far is the only one to say he will ensure he will do what was voted for no more putting it off hope he can do it and does do it.
Staying in the EU or revoking Article 50 can't be options, we already held a referendum on staying in the EU and leave won according to living in a democratically run country as the UK is supposed to be.
We've spent the last three years trying to implement the vote, and it's been a fucking nightmare. A democracy is allowed to have more democracy to change the situation. When do you hear of a country stopping all democracy to preserve democracy?
@@paulnolan9367 Lol, if you say so Paul ! ua-cam.com/video/z7qZhlrbcB8/v-deo.html
The british in 2016: We are finally free! Britain will rule the open seas once again! We're going to be rich!
The british in 2016: May we have some more trade deals please? Anyone? We have marmite!!!
Well they do say love it or hate it...
Sorry, Maanader, I just realised I might be interrupting you.
Put the lid back on when you're finished; there's other students sharing this kitchen.
UK and EU has already negotiated a deal. Now it's over. The fault is Parliament not accepting it.
"To negotiate in good faith", hilarious.
This is like the movie Groundhog Day
What about the fact that the majority of people in the UK voted to leave? If you get your way and you block the exit ... what will the 52% do?
"Well I think that's wrong and sad."
And that sounds like whinging that the EU isn't ignoring everything said and done up to this point. I suppose he thinks now that BJ is PM, the EU should fold their cards and pass the deal to the UK.
Haha, "negotiate in good faith", a UK tory government, go figure!!!
So many people think they know it all
The Brits have never understood the founding idea of Europe. Leave, no deal, maybe in a few years the UK will get it. If not, it’s not really a loss, is it.
We do understand it, and that's why we want out of it, before it becomes a united states of Europe, and leaving is no longer legal.
The EU has been negotiating for 3 years! An agreement was reached!
And it was not acceptable to normal free thinking folk.
@@h3akalee Do Brits think normal???
Teresa May reached an agreement, no one else. Not quite the same thing. In other words no agreement was reached.
So the EU is willing to talk and negotiate but refuses to change its position on anything or allow any changes to the EU authored surrender document.
In which language does that make a negotiation?
1 pound=1,08€ (!) But hey, it's all good, Boris.
1,06
The pound was extremely overvalued anyhow, the buying power didn't even remotely equal it's value.
Anyone with sense dumped sterling long ago. I bet Farage, Rees-Mogg etc did.
And falling!!!!!!!
@@garsm2290 Rees Mogg moved his business or part of it to Dublin and Farage will have to move to France or German to be able to continue spending the Euros that he'll be getting from his MEP pension.
as usual, shifting blame to others. may be if India says that they have so may expats in the UK, Gove will blame them too
The uks hands are tied. The backstop won't get through parliament and if the eu does not want to alter it then they are forcing a no deal.
If the person your negotiating with has no interest in a fair trade its best to walk away.
@@chadleach6009 Betrayal of the GFA will probably lead to the breakdown of the fragile peace on the island of Ireland. Will it tale the spilling over of violence onto the mainland once again to make Westminster heed the situation of their making?
@@boldford well since there is no risk of the gfa being violated this seems to be project fear 2.0.
Why would the gfa be at risk from adding another border to the several that already exist?
@@chadleach6009 I'm not altogether sure you understand how the GFA has created over 20 years of peace. I suggest you speak to people that lived there before its signing.
@@boldford and I'm not sure you have actually read the document or understand how it functions. Sigh
In the end the EU does not need Britain. Britain does need EU trade. I see a country committing economic suicide. It pains me. As a Dutchman, we trade by far the most of all EU countries with Britain. But taking an EU perspective, there is a deal. It is postponed twice or so, and if the EU is ever to be taken seriously by anybody, it cannot be shown to be taken hostage by a breaking off member state.
You are my princen of oranje buddy. Good answer
Oh so now Europe is at fault for Brexit. Doesn’t Dominic Raab look like Alan B’stard without the funnies
After no deal the UK und will not be in a better position for a deal with the EU
Or anyone else. Oh wait - Namibia...
@@pauldrysdale7615 This is gonna be great.
Why stop a no deal when we voted no deal
I don't remember no deal being was one of the options...
Here's some advice for Mr. Raab: Don't slap your neighbours in the face - and moreover don't slap my neighbours and friends in the face. You are a disgrace.
Unelected bureaucrat dictates to the UK - no not from the EU it’s Dominic Cummings!
You only have to vote join the EU once. Leaving is another matter entirely.
Don't you feel like the UK is stuck in a brexit edition Rick roll song?
Lol. On the 31st of Oct. after 23:59..
Du du du du du doooo
No. It feels like it has taken three years to beat the leftists but we have finally done it and Brexit will be here very soon. Countries like the UK and the US are the start of a global push back against globalization.
@@greeny202ab They are a huge part of the globalisation agenda. Who do you think is pushing for it?
@@eiffeltower7503 up until around 5 years ago the US and UK were the major ones pushing for it but things have changed now..... Just wait.
@2Crassus Crassus The Anglo world will be the ones that save civilization from the rise of the left.... AGAIN!
one thing for sure UK will not be granted the same privileges out of the club as when they were a member.
The greatest priviledge that the U.K got was to send the E.U £367 million every week.
@@terrymartin3224 that is not the right amount, rebate, anybody? And you fail to count everything we get back through exports to third countries by using the EU´s international trade treaties and WTO agreements. We have nothing in place and our Commonwealth "friends", that is, those we are interested in trading with, have already laughed at us when we tried to copy and paste the conditions we have as members of the EU. We are a small fish with a huge self-importance complex.
@@terrymartin3224 After rebate it was actually 140 million
@@68tonyn Your source for this figure please.
The fact is, and according to the HOC Library, "In 2018 the UK made an estimated gross contribution of £13.2 billion. The UK received £4.3 billion of public sector receipts from the EU, so the UK’s net public sector contribution to the EU was an estimated £8.9 billion." This gives a figure of around £171 million per week. The "rebate" we receive must be spent on what the EU says so I understand.
By the way, all EU rebates are to cease within the next 5 years .... were you aware of that?
"The European Commission ran into an immediate revolt from wealthy countries as it proposed ending their prized budget rebates in its blueprint for EU finances after Brexit.
The Netherlands, Austria, and Denmark on Wednesday attacked Brussels’ plans to increase the EU's budget to €1.25tn over the next seven years and eliminate rebates. They have been used for decades to return money to states that foot a disproportionate cost of EU spending.
Brussels has been refunding around €6bn a year to the likes of Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, Sweden and Denmark. With Britain’s EU exit leaving an annual budget hole of up to €17bn, Brussels wants to scrap this complex system of “correction” mechanisms over the next five years.
Mark Rutte, Dutch prime minister, said ending rebates was “not a solution for the underlying problem of the unfair distribution of costs”.
“The Netherlands therefore rejects it. The costs of funding the budget are not shared fairly. Brexit is already set to hit the Netherlands’ economy hard,” Mr Rutte said.
Sebastian Kurz, Austria’s chancellor, also rejected the spending plans, saying they placed too large a burden on rich countries.
“A smaller EU should mean a smaller budget,” tweeted Lars Løkke Rasmussen, Denmark's prime minister.
But Jean-Claude Juncker, commission president, defended the plans, saying the rebates had to disappear “along with the UK”.
“The calculation basis for the other rebates will disappear too,” said Mr Juncker."
www.ft.com/content/5ce33318-4e1e-11e8-a7a9-37318e776bab
Fingers crossed for a no deal.
The whole notion that the UK has the strongest bargaining position striking a deal BEFORE exit, is nonsense. Right now, both among Remainers at home and among EU negotiators in Brussels, the process is going forward, not to maximize trade, BUT TO SCUTTLE THE REFERENDUM RESULT. Exiting first, but staying at the table will delete the Remain schemers from the equation, and get the focus of the talks solely on trade.
Get out first, but stay firmly at the table. That's the only way to change the substance of any UK/EU trade deal for the better.
- exiting
- staying at the table
Pick one.
When the UK has exited, it is no longer at the table. Of course it wants to have a trade deal with the EU, on which the EU is going to reply: fine, pay your debt, secure the rights of EU citizens in the UK, and agree to the backstop. No you say? Okay, thanks, bye.
And the USA? Same story: _"The Democratic speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, has said that a US-UK trade deal has “no chance whatsoever” of passing in Congress."_ Why? In the US is a very powerful Irish lobby group influencing congress, and anything that might harm the Good Friday Agreement will get blocked, if needed for decades.
So good luck with that.
@@GuusJanssen ... Except for 'remain, remain, remain', who knows what it is exactly you are trying to say?
For reference, I did not mention the Good Friday Agreement, the backstop, or future US/UK trade deals. Apparently you take the position that the EU leaves the table if the UK exits first. Also...something about Irish lobbyists in the US Congress. Whatever.
Have a good day. If at some point you respond in an understandable way, I'll be happy to reply.
@@frankhoffman3566 If you leave without a deal and try to stay at the table, the wait staff will ignore you BECAUSE BY LEAVING YOU HAVE ACCEPTED THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT. It's part of the exit fine print.
The only way to stay at the table is to agree not to leave. If you can't understand that, I can only assume it is because you have some misguided belief that the UK is still some sort of mercantile superpower.
How often do you feed your unicorns? The EU is not only a trading bloc, they never lied about this but the UK lied to its people. Even if only about trade, in order to get a free trade deal both parts have to agree and follow common rules to meet quality standards, for instance. There will always a loss of complete unilateral decisions in any agreement. This is the part that idiots miss.
@@stephenlitten1789... I agree with this much -- to most, leaving with a deal means remaining. It's why there is such desperate language of ''over the cliff'' and ''crash out''. You are trying to create alarm and panic, not because you believe it will occur, but instead because YOU HOPE TO SNATCH A REMAIN VICTORY FROM THE JAWS OF DEFEAT.
The notion that the EU will not talk to any possible trading partner, is a notion I find preposterous. The EU bureaucrats love to talk. They get paid quite a lot just to talk. It's what useless bureaucrats mostly do.
Boris thought threats and a sort of mexican standoff are a good negotiation tactic with the EU. The EU doesn't work like that.
thats because the EU is stupid!!
EU doesn't work at all, that's the point.
@@clivevale The EU actually helped fund me through my college years via the European Social Fund Grant so I beg to differ. :)
@@Firefoxfifty So, they bought you.
@@lesigh1749 No, they funded him through his college years.
The EU WON'T NEGOTIATE period. Time to go. It's Briton first, not the EU first.
The EU did negotiate and a deal was agreed knob head - Britain has done the dirty and Welshed on the deal it agreed to - so Europe is done and , as no deal is much worse for the UK ( for the short period it will continue to exist) than for the EU . It is far from Britain first it is a act of self harm and demonstration of untrustworthiness that is hardly positive for future trust
Briton? Heh heh heh.
I went to buy a car last week. Test drove it and agreed a price with dealer. We signed some forms.
I returned this week demanding the dealer now throw in paying the first year of my tax and insurance for the agreed price. The dealer told me he can't do that. The dealer is being inflexible. How dare they not bend to my demands!
Yes... Better to haggle first... But seeing as May didn't...
@@benmonson8655 well they you must walk away. Luckily for me, I still have my old car to go back to. The UK will have to thumb a lift I fear!
@@rivolinho Really? Why? May decided the date.
That could be changed. Negotiated even. Maybe make a plan.
(Good luck your car, whatever that has to do with anything... I hope it's not a diesel lying about its fitness)
@@benmonson8655 the date will be changed. Because it's going to be another extension
I am shocked by the UK, this incompetence makes my face red. Who elects people like this to power🤣🤣🙈🙈
the uk ppl voted to leave so we leave what dont u git ? !!
@@ryanwighton944 That has nothing to do with my comment
ask the Americans about that first!
All the places with "united" in the name.
The Americans do it.
EU doesn’t want to talk? They don’t want to negotiate the backstop? This is old news. 🙄
Michael, the EU negotiated in 2018 and the UK government accepted it. Look it up in the history books, mate.
The UK Government might have accepted it but it has to be passed by Parliament & it has failed 3 times to do that even when Boris voted for it. That is how our democracy works. Where do you live..China ?
parliament rejected it three times
Irrelevant, the deal was never made binding.
@@jwadaow The point was that the EU participated in, and finished, negotiating, in contrast to Gove's claim about the EU: "They don't write, they don't call..." The EU was probably amazed when the UK negotiated a deal and then came back knocking on the door again a few days later.
Why on earth would the EU negotiate when they can see the Remain dominated parliament will do everything they can to thwart Brexit?
That is the whole purpose of taking no deal of the table. It is not to stop no deal it is just a cynical and underhand way of thwarting Brexit.
What is the point of having a monarchy, if the monarch cannot do anything to help the country in times of crisis?
Erm, Michael - they can only refuse to negotiate if you actually asked them first...
Exactly. What do they want to negotiate on? They don't even know themselves
@Simon John do you Brexiteer even ask what people in Northern Ireland wants about undemocratic backstop?
Child 1: I want to stay up all night and eat all my sweeties and play Fortnite with my virtual buddies around the world
Friends: Ok, but your on your own.
Child 1: Now I want you to jump up and down, serve me my din-dins and dress how I say.
Friends: No
Child 1: That’s really naughty and unfair and cruel of you all.
UK Leaders, get a grip.
We all knew who was going to get the blame, the EU for staying with the same planes for the last two and a half years, having got 27 other countries to agree , yet these clowns can't even agree between themselves, but all of a sudden it's the fault of the EU because we want to leave but have a better arrangement that the other 27 , unbelievable.
(staying with the same plans)
"Take our relationship with Canada to the next level" say maybe with a trade deal? Like the one we already had within the EU?
Sigh. Raab is so stupid.
Thank god for our Free trade with the Canada, the uk will just throw themselves to a cliff, and mark my words, they will blame the EU.
There’s no freedom of movement with Canada though is there?
no, but there isnt a GFA to muddy things either.
What part of "We give you an extension to October but the deal is not re-negotiable" is the one they did not understand in April 2019?
....and they were sure thay could sort everything out before June...they are ridiculous
Sorted!!!!!
The referendum has spoken... let the will of the people happen.
Referendums do not speak. Silly post!
The EU are not refusing to negotiate - they simply do not see the point in reopening negotiations with the UK current red lines. And yes this EU stance could very well lead to a no-deal Brexit which is not good for anyone, but any future trading agreements that the UK are hoping to arrange with the EU will be stalled until the Irish border situation is resolved satisfactorily for both ireland and the EU. So this is going to roll on and on for many more years by the looks of it lol.
or the UK will simply learn to live without the EU and migrate trade to other countries or *gasp* revert back to selling local produce in the UK instead of exporting it. Most of the UKs economic power comes from financial and tech sectors, and the Eu has no control over those, as dearly as it years to remove finance from London to Berlin. And then there is the USA, Canada. Australia, already preparing free trade agreements to come into effect 9AM day one post Brexit. We will manage. Because there is no alternative.
The Backstop is dead. That deal will never pass the UK parliament, and if the Eu insist on making that deal the price of future trade, then so be it. We cant oblige, so no more german cars for us. no more French food. No more Eu imports at all I guess. Germany may already be in recession. What do you think cutting off all trade to the second biggest economy in Europe will do to help that?
In your own words "lol"
@@lesigh1749 you just to stupid to understand how stupid you are!!!
@@tuga9999 So stupid that I know that the EU deal is not going to pass the UK parliament because it has been rejected three times now. Where as you are so smart you think there is some reality in which the EU glares hard enough and the Uk rolls over. Enjoy that delusion.
@@lesigh1749 it is not the EU's fault that the current deal which was 3 years in the making with representatives of the British government will not pass the House. Again this is a UK problem - not a EU problem. The EU have been clear for sometime that the current deal is the only deal - they are more than happy to open talks with Johnson about changing some of the wording of the current deal but the structure,including the backstop,will not be altered.
Citizen rights, the financial settlement and the Irish border - all of these will need to addressed before any future trading arrangement can be negotiated. Again this is nothing new for this has always been the situation - a no-deal exit will not change these requirements.
Why do the UK believe that the EU will suddenly change their stance? Both sides are too entrenched and neither seem to interest in talks to resolve the current impasse.
@@arthurgoodness7865 Errr.....Under Article 50 a 'Withdrawal Deal' is not required. Neither is what May negotiated a 'deal' - it is a Treaty between the UK and the EU - not mandated by the UK Parliament and not agreed to under the 2016 Referendum. Unfortunately this IS an EU problem - for three years the EU and its compliant media partners in the main European countries have been convincing everyone that a 'deal' favouring the EU will be negotiated. It won't. 'The EU have been clear for some time that the current deal is the only deal' - and that is how 'partners' negotiate, is it? One side dictates the terms and the other has no choice? Citizen's 'rights' have already been agreed, the 'financial settlement' - which the UK is under no obligation to pay - MIGHT be negotiated, the Irish 'backstop' is a nonsense confected by May, Barnier, and their compliant puppet Varadkar to stop Brexit. Varadkar is already coming under increasing pressure from his own electorate to alter his stance... DO keep up.....!
But... but... but... the German car industry will call... Merkel... They need us more... BLUE PASSPORTS!!!
Albert Pike If 5% is a majority in your mind then okay go on
@Albert Pike "The Islamic Republic of Germany. haha"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
Germany: 5.4% - 6%
UK: 6.3%
@Albert Pike You have to stop confusing "fact" and "fiction". I know both words start with an f, but other than that they're very different.
Nope they don't! Germany is a stronger country than the UK. You wish to be as good and efficient as the Germans but unfortunately you are not...Then Brexit happened.
@Albert Pike seems way better than United Kingdom of Nazi Britain and Colony of Nothern Ireland
Britain is so screwed. The EU has little to no reason to negotiate except for Ireland. So long as the Republic of Ireland is relatively happy, Britain has virtually no leverage. So Britain's economy will go into a tailspin, and with that, and issues with Ireland, Northern Ireland and Scotland will each seek to break away.
yeah so screwed. it's not like we have the whole world to trade with. it's not like the USA are already lining up to make deals as soon as we leave.
we have a huge amount of leverage, and no, the economy won't tailspin.
you are utterly deluded and seem to believe everything the media and other """Experts"""" spew, even though they've been wrong on almost everything for the past 4 years.
The EU is better off without the British.
chris .... this British is better of without 52% of British people....
@@teslatrev5764 They are only 48% British on average, that includes the so called "real" British.
@@teslatrev5764 literally fascistic. disgusting.
If the shoe was on the other foot we would say no as well you cannot blame the EU for saying no
The EU don't seem to understand how our democracy works. Teresa May might have agreed to the deal but it has to be passed by parliament & it has failed 3 times to do that even when it was supported by Boris. The main problem being the backstop. Labour could have supported it if they really were concerned about a No Deal but they are only interested in bringing down the government. So unless the EU move there doesn't seem any way of avoiding No Deal apart from asking the EU for endless extensions which will keep us in limbo for the rest of time.
You fail to grasp the role of the backstop. A no deal exit means a hard border there.
"So unless the EU move" It's not just the EU, is it? Or do you genuinely not understand the backstop?
Please tell us more about how these new border posts will magically spring up out of the ground.
If a manufacturer opens in Germany's that's Project Fear. If Rees-Mogg opens a fund in Dublin that's okay ..... the UK is diminished either way of course, but the public-schoolboy Brexiteers don't care.
The Queen will have to sack him. 😂😁 Then brexit season 4 will begin.
May negotiated already. Either the UK is in or out. Defecate already or get off the pot. My suspicion though it's if the UK opts for a 'no deal', they'll come crawling back to the EU or disassociate itself into one lonely island. Wales, Ireland, and Scotland will leave the Union, join the EU, and say good riddance.
The EU is falling apart at the seams, there soon won't be an EU to rejoin.
1. We gave them a deal, their government said yes to that deal, the next steps are an internal matter of the UK; 2. When your entire campaign was: the EU is enslaving us and we will break free from the tyranny of the EU... to talk about "friendly relations" is delusional... Last, but not least: "it's not in Europe's interest?" We decide what's in our interest, we are free and independent and we're not colonies to have Gove decide for us. Maybe someone forgot to tell him and his master Boris that this isn't the 19th century. And someone please tell Rees-Mogg that... he still looks and talks like the Crimean War is still on :)
So unless I’ve misunderstood some aspects of current English sentiments, being a foreigner after all, the EU should be thankful for the brexiteers wanting to have their cake and eat it and letting the EU pick up the crumbs? After all if the brexit is hard enough queen Victoria will come back! Who wouldn’t want that?
@Fhjthnl Lol Iuyo there is an deal both negotiating parties agreed to...
Fhjthnl Lol Iuyo
I see your point. You decided to leave and get rid of the EU shackles and yet expect the EU to offer conditions you can reject until the offer is acceptable. Elementary! Hey what about this, after you leave you can demand royalties for every occasion English is spoken by an EU citizen?
Britain should stand strong, be brave to Brexit without any deal, why let the EU to dictate Britain and its future, especially in terms of its economics, legal and immigration policies. It is better to walk the path of short term infinity, and possible long term gain.
15:20 “He’s been very, very careful in making sure that he represents as many viewpoints as he possibly can”
LOL
I don't understand how the Majority who voted to leave are not having there votes respected, this is not democracy, 3years wasted, just leave on the 31st of October this year & get on with, this waffling is getting is nowhere🙄😥
Let’s get out of the EUSSR ASAP !
Let's get into the USSSR ASAP !
Majority of Brits want a WTO Brexit.
Beatrice Sayers shutup and bore off lol
What a logistical feat....you have checked with 60 million people?....another Leave cretin talk babble
Any relevant sources for this claim then?
You gov poll @@wooo771
Minister for no deal. Has there ever been a more perfect political title in history?