@@kuldeepkumarbhat9648 if you opress the one community for just for gain of superiority, they become worse and attract us in many ways !! If you supress the every muslim in the country they flee , bcos of unemployment they join the terrorism and attack on the same country
increase in population of peace loving community with 4 wifes and 25 children is not at all good for India's peace in particular and worlds peace in general
Shekhar is trying so hard to cover the increase in Muslim population percentage relative to Hindu Population Base which sounds like he’s running & gunning to somehow convince his Hindu audience not to give two hoots about their decline in population in contrast to Muslim increase in population. Slick as always 🤔
dumbass people should get basics of life right that...we r humans first...caste religion is a fucked up made up idea...over which people fight...if u don't belive in it...then it cannot hurt u.
I would be proud of if population share of Jains, sikhs, Buddhists, Jains or even Parsi's (very entrepreneurial) was increasing.But Muslim population increasing 43% , this a threat to constitution, democracy, and 1940's experience even territorial integrity. Those having 4 children or more should not receive any welfare like Ration, Free health and bar in govt jobs, contesting elections.
Hindu nationalists are a bigger threat to the Constitution. But I do agree that people who have lots of kids should be punished but not their children.
Quiet Natural.... Andh bhakts will do anything to spread their lies and hindutwa propaganda.. Real patriots will have to post a million posts everyday to keep these andh bakts from misleading the laymen
@@Subhendu_Banerjee Already a lost cause. The report has already become the talk of the town. The whitewash attempts are actually raising more suspicions.
No sheker ji we were also not a Muslim Majority country when India was divided and a religiously motivated country was formed which is harming us still today.
Whatever spin SG may be trying to give to this report, one thing cannot be hidden: Percentage Hindu population is decreasing and comparatively Percentage Muslim population is increasing in gallops.....
When these KAUMI community's population percentage goes near about 20% & above they demand Religious laws & division of country. The same thing happened during partition. When Majority population will learn from their history & past blunders. Dr. BR Ambedkar was right about them. BTW, any of the official data & study doesn't include 2-5 crore illegal immigrants from Bangladesh & Myanmar.
According to Shekhar " Bangladesh Hindu population % decreased due to Hindu migration to India" . If so many Hindus migrated India then Indian Hindu population should increase not decrease. Shekhar please stop adding clutter to data with your biased opinions. Very Disappointing. Please call your program "Add the clutter".
Govt should remove minority if population become 15 or 20 % of population. 2nd microminorty like Jews & parsis must get separated quota to grow population & maintain demography nature correctly
It’s best to not take seriously People who follow selective outrage or who do cherry picking of only certain news n data that only suit their narrative but go maliciously silent on news n research data that goes against their narrative. A lot of people on both right wing n leftwing ideologies do this. Their biased view becomes very obvious n loud with time n people will know it too. They are two sides of the same coin. Hope more neutral people like Nitish Rajput will take their place who will show the facts as it is without manipulation or brainwashing narratives.
The danger of population explosion is due to climate change, agriculture projects and water sources have dried up AI technology & Robotic technology do not require human jobs . These factors will push India into poverty Hindus will also suffer badly for the behaviour of Muslims
Krishna in kurukshetra told supporters of duryodhan that his ahankar comes from their supporters and their ability . Hence krishna had no other choices rather than to eliminate them first
shekhar you looks comfortable in data without looking into what is the impat of 5% of total population increase over hindus of muslims. it is 7 crs. ie from a population of 3.5 cr to almost 22 cr more than 6 times while that of hindus gone up from 30.5 cr to 111 crs roughly only just about 3.6 times. if the same rate is maintained for next 65 years just see what impact it will be😢
The core issue here is that with current rate of percentage of Hindu population decline how many more years it will take for Hindus to be less than 50% of the population.
Would be interesting to see that. But People speak many languages simultaneously but they can’t be following many religions on paper. Personally they might respect many religions or spiritual beliefs but on paper you can call yourself only as a Hindu, or Muslim or Christian or Sikh or an atheist etc etc
The report covers period between 1950 to 2015. But the complaint by liberals is that minorities are under threat after 2014 since BJP took over. Would have been better if we could have covered the changes over one decade to prove the liberals point of view as wrong
Liberals could climb the nearest pole and relax . One wonders as to why the apostles of compulsive political correctness and virulent hypocrisy are uncomfortable with hard facts.
Why does Shekhar Gupta a very senior editor keep interrupting Shamika Ravi when some issues are uncomfortable for Mr Gupta, not done. However one can surmise the following after hearing this interview : 1. The decline of Hindus is disturbing and can lead to social upheavals some of which India is already seeing and could get worse 2. Increase in the largest minority group in India alongwith lower literacy rate in this community is another area of very serious concern again a destabilizing factor Overall the interviewer was sub par and he seemed to be deeply uncomfortable that the Hindu population as a percentage of population is falling - WHY? Let the media and senior editors be mature enough to handle such topics then only will they do justice to their profession and more importantly viewers who spend time to watch such interview only to be disappointed by agenda driven media, journalists and in this case senior editors.
In the end as country gets richer and people's quality of life improves all religions will decline. The simple truth is that all religions were created for agricultural/pastoral societies with small scale conflicts between kings, the modern industrial information age with gigantic states and incomprehensible scale of wars in the nuclear age is beyond the sense making capacity of any religion.
You are so wrong on this and this is the kind of scenario that India has to avoid going through. Getting richer without any purpose, aspiration & fulfillment is what has led USA’s 40% population into Drugs, Family structure broken & world’s highest suicidal country. Religion still has to play in role in people’s life in the near future whereas Spirituality should be the way forward.
I had a similar belief, but when you breakdown reproduction rates in OECD and western european countries based on religion, this notion doesn’t quite hold up.
Muslims follow their religious tenet un-ambigiously, whilst many "so called" sanatana dharmis are secularists and just name sake without following religious tenets diligently. This denouement is bound to happen eventually.
SG’s blindspots - ‘conversion not an issue in India’, ‘Drug overdoes not an issue in Punjab’ he goes on and on to find evidence. Why? cLaSsIcAl eDiToR bAiS
They know but they will consciously ignore any data or factual information that doesn’t suit their ‘persecution of minorities’ narrative. It’s not due to ignorance. It’s a well thought choice. Google ‘ Indian media bias chart’ n ‘ international media bias chart’ n see which media is biased to right or left ideologies n corresponding parties!
NYT will say this is the data upto 2015. Modi came in 2014, hence M population has decreased. Also, just like all the other liberal democracies are dying with the influx of the migrants, it will be the turn of India too.
He is an old chamcha of pappu party which divided India and created two islamic nations giving 1/3 rd land and again created 9 lac acre land to create new Pakistan or Gazwa e hind 2047.
The higher TFR and increase in population means that Muslims are less developed than Hindus. It is common knowdge that poorer people have more children. One cannot take pride in this fact. Northern states have much higher TFR than more developed Southern states. As a percentage the population of Southern states has declined. Will Shamika Ravi take pride in population growth of Northern states. She published data to promote the RSS-BJP narrative against Muslims.
It's a misconception created by librandu brigade. See Kerala is the most literate and developed state muslim birth rate is much higher than hindus and Christians .
Ms Shamika is not a demographer. For a demographer data itself is nothing without proper interpretation. She used the data in a wicked way to fool people. A smaller base always show higher rate of increase. For anyone who has studied Population 43% increase is not alarming as the base population is much smaller than the majority population.
U can lull yourself to sleep once a cut mull take ur daug. .hter or your temple is upsurped and you gets bullied in your area for wearing tikka or rudraksah. People stop selling u groceries etc
@@Chillbaba-1990 It's actually different in our area. In public transport ladies avoid sitting with one with a head scarf. Flat owners in our community call names ( the K ..word) at their backs! Paranoia is bad.... for whatever our religions may be.
@@ujjayiniojha5818 u don't have discriminate keeping a safe distance and keeping a hold on power and staying United as a hindu community is must as we are not far away from be oming a lebanon
@@ujjayiniojha5818 they started the two nation theory and stayed back after taking one 3rd of the country and now asking for exclusive rights even personal.laws and reservation as if it's their right bahut ho gaya ab yeh sab band ho jaana chahiye.
After taking 1/3 rd land over millions of dead bodies, why they stayed back and got 9lac acre as waqf. You can wait till India becomes Afghanistan through population jihad.
Shekhar ji fertility rate per woman is a clever way of masking the reality. Fertility rate should be per couple and not just woman. For every 10 muslim women birthing 26 kids, there might be only 2 or 3 men involved. So thats 26 next gen coming out of 13 current gen people. Whereas for other religions 10 women usually have 10 men involved.
In the words of Dr. Strangelove, the men are performing "prodigious sexual activity." Yet somehow, it is only the women getting pregnant. Strange, don't you think?
"People fallowed family planning promoted by government. Now they are saying who have more numbers will get more benefits then what about family planning !!!!!"
True that states that reduced population gets lesser parliamentary representation...similarly those who have less children don't get anything while u didn't follow a national goal gets scholarship for their daughters to send them abroad.
I would be really interested to see how these figures have changed over the last 10 years....statistics till 2015 is really not relevant in the context of 2024 election
In 1951, Kashmir census not conducted, Muslim population of J&K not included. In 2015 census not conducted, hence 2011 census figure to be taken. Birth rate oh Hindus declined more than Muslims. Birth rate of muslims also declined and declining.
Reservation and any goverment benefits must go to only those who have 2 or fewer children. Also, only 1st or 2nd child should be eligible for government benefits. The critical question is... Would responsible Hindus/Jain parents and children politically support such a move?
I am rather amused that Shamikaji is being naive. Shekar is posing leading questions and she is getting trapped. The elephant in the room is that growth rate ( agreed, it is % Shekar; Don’t take us to elementary classes; We are grown up) of muslims is very high vis a vis Hindus. Don’t digress. What % contribute by birth rate, % due to illegal migration - Debate this. Further what is the % of crypto christians in south esp TN and Andhra as people want to have best of both worlds viz reservation and financial incentives from church. These are unpalatable but need detailed research. Go after that in stead of getting tutored by “ secularists”. Bite the bullet.
As long as we practice democracy where one person has one vote we are doomed to extinction. We should have the guts to ask for removal of democracy as it is practiced now. This is going to be unpalatable for most so till ee find an alternative form of government we must junk parliamentary democracy for a presidential form ( it is de facto but not de jure in India at present) and also get rid of "the winner being the first past the post"
What about secret christians? Most people are using Hindu names and wearing Hindu symbols (biggest example: Raj Shekar Reddy, Ambika Soni, Priyanka Vadra etc.?)
Demographics is destiny & India is destined to face another partition - probably will lose lower Assam, Half of Bengal & probably Kerala, the Kashmir valley. In time, Western UP will also flare up.....this is the great legacy of Lehru & Gandhi, who allowed Muslims to stay on in India despite gifting away half the country....
@@kumarakantirava429no brother all caste population had decline front of muslim population. Muslim are also devied in caste in Bangladesh and Pakistan there population also rised there
If we calculate the Annual Change in Population based on the first and last numbers, we get an average (-)0.125% growth per year for Hindus and an average (+)0.560% annual growth for Muslims. Based on these numbers and adding all other minorities under "others" we are likely to have 69.37% Hindus, 19.52% Muslims and 11.12% Others in the year 2100. The Muslim population could overtake Hindus at 38.83% to become 39.10% in the year 2400. All this is based on current data where Muslim birth rates were well above Hindu birth rates. Of course, this situation has changed quite a bit over the last 3 decades. As the author said, there is a dire need to study this data on a state level too.
Why Librandus fooling themselves and others when we lost 1/3rd land over millions of dead bodies by such useless secular parties which again ready for new Pakistan by creating 9 lac acre waqf from our ancestral land share.
Interesting conversation with SG bringing out the total contrast in approaches to data! SG in his own inimical charming way tries to paint a picture of balance and the lady is trying her best to promote her divisive agenda! The fact remains that Muslims will always be a minority and Hindus a vast majority and population will stabilize around the levels seen now! Active mass conversions don’t happen in India and won’t happen! Hindus themselves don’t realize that Hinduism is a vastly superior religion in terms of its intellectual cultural and social depth than any other religion in the world and it can and has stood the test of time! When it withstood a 1000 years of Muslim rule and india remained a majority Hindu country why are people afraid in the 21st century!
Really appreciate the episode Team Print and SG, insightful and Really interesting, most of us must appreciate that places countries we move or immigrate to also have changes in their composition, makes you think, thank you and very much much appreciate your insights and work, thank you
As per shekahar if consider migration 14% of bangladeshi hindus to India then muslim growth in india is much dangerously higher than considered in study.
Population % pie chart distribution decides the outcome of elections. Abhramics have a superior understanding of this political truth than dhimmi Hindus and Dhimmi exHindus.
What I would suggest that The Print and SG can do, is to do an journalistic investigation into all those cases, where in pockets of, the minority population is actually in majority and how they are creating terror in those places ... e.g. hotspots in India which have apparently called out allegiance to organizations outside our country.
A few discrepancies in the dataset of the paper: 1. Census 2011 figures reveal Hindu % to be 79.8% however here it is 78.06%. 2. Census 2011 figures reveal that % of Muslims was at 14.23% however here it has DECLINED to 14.09% 3. Between 2001 and 2011, % of Sikhs in Punjab DECLINED by 2% points (59.9 to 57.7%) however here it is showing an INCREASE.
Criticism coming from the West towards India as becoming an increasing inhospitable and unwelcome nation is NOT from the last 65 years that this research is covers. Dr. Ravi is missing the point when she talks about rectifying narratives. The criticism pertaining to India becoming intolerant and inhospitable towards its own Muslim and some other population groups is based on observations, policymaking and rhetoric of recent years, specifically after Modi's prime ministership.
Mam, At independence how many people practiced tribal religions and what is the number today. What percentage of tribals have accepted or classified as Hindus. Its the same in Africa. I have worked there, The govt classifies them as per the ruling regime but most practice what they always did.
Conversion is a big issue in Africa and animists has lost ground to organized religions? Or is there any conversion from one major religion to another? Will it give Hindu Mahasabha an opportunity in africa to compete with other religions in gaining new followers?
Data is for 1952 to 2015. During this period BJP ruled only for five years. If you include 2015 to 2024, what will be the result. Is growth in population is a good indicator of how minorities are treated. Are we reading too much in the Data. Conclusion, how minorities are treated by the present dispensation?
Just an increase in numbers does not indicate that the minorities are not facing oppression. Intact if people lack education, are not gainfully employed they tend to have higher TFR. Rohingya Muslims living in refugee camps in Cox bazaar in Bangladesh tend to have a much higher population growth rates
Just playing with numbers... Fact remains it is only 1 community that has grown... We were divided when d community has grown was just 24%... If we will go state wise numbers will be more frightening...
To know actually population data ,we should include language as a head ,to know which language speaking population has more growth irrespective of religion.
Though she says she is a researcher, she still squeezes in the same rhetoric of leaders of today, one of absurd fear and not of healthy courage to live and govern with truth, justice and righteousness and maintain India as a model nation in spite of its diversity. To live that way is why our forebears fought and gave us freedom on decent construct of our constitution.
how long minorities will be provided with etc benefits till they become majority?😢 there should be some way to make them develop NOT by making them majority but inducing them to become developed by giving etc benefits limited to 2 or 3 children and bringing in uniform civil code irrespective of their religions just like criminal laws, also proponed by dr ambedkar
Something is terribly wrong in India. To protect the minority from Majority....such laws were framed that ....minority has become far more dominant in India. This is not Idea of India ..I urge tge govt to correct this wrong.
Print should not give unnecessary publicity to the PMO report. While the contents and arguments are convincing, the timing of the report seems to convince me that it is an excersize to divert the political discussion towards a subject which will polarise the public and get more votes for BJP.
You are right. But as voters are weaklings who xannot take a stand for themselves with their own hands, and then they they feel like such and such party will exclusively protect them if given a place.
SG is trying his best to say that there is nothing to worry, we should be proud, percentages are not important, birth rate is ok etc. At these percentages, the political power will slip into muslims as they tend vote in bulk..this us the biggest worry. SG is very sielent on this in both the episodes.
@ujjayiniojha5818 Ms Shamika is not a demographer. For a demographer data itself is nothing without proper interpretation. She used the data in a wicked way to fool people. A smaller base always show higher rate of increase. For anyone who has studied Population 43% increase is not alarming as the base population is much smaller than the majority population.
Justice sachar was a card holding member of congress when he released his sachar committee report. This researcher has no such affiliation and uses open source data, making her more reliable than a congressi ex judge...
Couldn't help bringing up another movie reference :-) At times, did anyone recall Judy the traffic bunny from Zootopia and the department of motor vehicles sloth scene?
Timing of the report makes the intent clear. Create polarization and get back BJP in power. But what have they done so far or do they have a plan to solve it?
But the data is correct sir, why dont u concentrate on that and if Hindus feel worried why that should worry u and if it effects the outcome of the election.
@Shamika , what does the data say about Muslim majority countries. Has any such country has shown minority population increase or even remained the same?
Shekhar just visit any Garden in India you can see number of black Tents...
He can't see becoz he go blind
Ohh do shut up a**hole, stop being so sick about religion and population.
he came out of the black tent.
exactly!
So caste based population survey is Rahul G's life mission but religion based is worng?
Are u an idiot bro ! Dividing people in religion makes cornering the other religion and making them terrorists and attacking on own country
Who said caste based survey ! Don’t spread with your half knowledge
@@Leonlkkkk
Rahul Gandhi said so and is continuing with his dangerous rhetoric.
@@kuldeepkumarbhat9648 Dividing people based on religion make the country worse !! It is same like you dividing the people based on color !!!
@@kuldeepkumarbhat9648 if you opress the one community for just for gain of superiority, they become worse and attract us in many ways !! If you supress the every muslim in the country they flee , bcos of unemployment they join the terrorism and attack on the same country
increase in population of peace loving community with 4 wifes and 25 children is not at all good for India's peace in particular and worlds peace in general
That used to be in past 😂
Shekhar tried his best to malign Hindus and BJP. But lady Shamika is too strong . We’ll done. .
She says data till 2015, last census done in 2011.. so where did this cooked up data till 2015 come up.
Shekhar is trying so hard to cover the increase in Muslim population percentage relative to Hindu Population Base which sounds like he’s running & gunning to somehow convince his Hindu audience not to give two hoots about their decline in population in contrast to Muslim increase in population. Slick as always 🤔
Why compain about it when it's not like Hindu are allowed to have 2 or more babies
dumbass people should get basics of life right that...we r humans first...caste religion is a fucked up made up idea...over which people fight...if u don't belive in it...then it cannot hurt u.
lol! True. He is trying to frame questions so that she answers in his favour but she didn’t fall for it 😅
He even try to protect Pakistan
He is anti hindu and soft gihadi
Just walk on delhi road... u will find many black tents
Better than open chests....
we need 100 more Shamika Ravis
I would be proud of if population share of Jains, sikhs, Buddhists, Jains or even Parsi's (very entrepreneurial) was increasing.But Muslim population increasing 43% , this a threat to constitution, democracy, and 1940's experience even territorial integrity.
Those having 4 children or more should not receive any welfare like Ration, Free health and bar in govt jobs, contesting elections.
We shud now support Modi until he does smthng concrete in this direction
Hindu nationalists are a bigger threat to the Constitution.
But I do agree that people who have lots of kids should be punished but not their children.
Two posts in a span of single day?
Sure signs of panic and attempts to cover up and to push the issue below carpet.
Yep
Or perhaps, to prevent IT cells from cutting clips, morphing actual report and justifying their own agenda.
Quiet Natural.... Andh bhakts will do anything to spread their lies and hindutwa propaganda.. Real patriots will have to post a million posts everyday to keep these andh bakts from misleading the laymen
@@Subhendu_Banerjee Already a lost cause. The report has already become the talk of the town. The whitewash attempts are actually raising more suspicions.
😂😂 Sir, posts are made to cover up a thing or showcase more of that thing
No sheker ji we were also not a Muslim Majority country when India was divided and a religiously motivated country was formed which is harming us still today.
Whatever spin SG may be trying to give to this report, one thing cannot be hidden: Percentage Hindu population is decreasing and comparatively Percentage Muslim population is increasing in gallops.....
A simple Google search on Indian census tells that
When these KAUMI community's population percentage goes near about 20% & above they demand Religious laws & division of country. The same thing happened during partition. When Majority population will learn from their history & past blunders. Dr. BR Ambedkar was right about them.
BTW, any of the official data & study doesn't include 2-5 crore illegal immigrants from Bangladesh & Myanmar.
The birth rate is propoetional to female literacy . so if you really want them to stop then you should give muslim free education
@@greenrico10Right to Education should be free to all sections
@@loveindia9559edu.cant help this kom..
never.
According to Shekhar " Bangladesh Hindu population % decreased due to Hindu migration to India" . If so many Hindus migrated India then Indian Hindu population should increase not decrease. Shekhar please stop adding clutter to data with your biased opinions. Very Disappointing. Please call your program "Add the clutter".
Govt should remove minority if population become 15 or 20 % of population.
2nd microminorty like Jews & parsis must get separated quota to grow population & maintain demography nature correctly
So Hindus won't be a minority in Kashmir?
It is 2-2.5% in other countries.
Agreed minority status needs to be removed...
Shekarji, you don't want to accept the growth reported, we understand😉
Trends in last 2 decades in public -
The number of mobile black tents have increased almost exponentially.
I wonder how the hell do they survive during the summer. I'm here in my undies and dying from the heat😂😂
@@conflictedthought1 Allah personally comes to blow cool air in their vagina under the burkha
Shekhar is over board in justifying the finding ..haha..the survey answers state of minority in India narrative. You can try to give a different twist
What is the opinion of German Shepherd
German shepherd need not reply gobar bhakth
German Shepherd is a very good breed. Any comparison is highly insulting to the German Shepherd
It’s best to not take seriously People who follow selective outrage or who do cherry picking of only certain news n data that only suit their narrative but go maliciously silent on news n research data that goes against their narrative.
A lot of people on both right wing n leftwing ideologies do this. Their biased view becomes very obvious n loud with time n people will know it too. They are two sides of the same coin. Hope more neutral people like Nitish Rajput will take their place who will show the facts as it is without manipulation or brainwashing narratives.
Please don’t disrespect the German Shepherd a good breed of dog. 😂😂
@@lifecome8695 cuz he is enjoying with your wife.
The danger of population explosion is due to climate change, agriculture projects and water sources have dried up
AI technology & Robotic technology do not require human jobs .
These factors will push India into poverty Hindus will also suffer badly for the behaviour of Muslims
Krishna in kurukshetra told supporters of duryodhan that his ahankar comes from their supporters and their ability . Hence krishna had no other choices rather than to eliminate them first
shekhar you looks comfortable in data without looking into what is the impat of 5% of total population increase over hindus of muslims. it is 7 crs. ie from a population of 3.5 cr to almost 22 cr more than 6 times while that of hindus gone up from 30.5 cr to 111 crs roughly only just about 3.6 times. if the same rate is maintained for next 65 years just see what impact it will be😢
The core issue here is that with current rate of percentage of Hindu population decline how many more years it will take for Hindus to be less than 50% of the population.
I request Dr. Shamika Ravi to conduct a similar study based on Linguistic majority / minorities all over the world.
Would be interesting to see that. But People speak many languages simultaneously but they can’t be following many religions on paper. Personally they might respect many religions or spiritual beliefs but on paper you can call yourself only as a Hindu, or Muslim or Christian or Sikh or an atheist etc etc
Anglophile are growing!
@@hims01 Oh, so a concern for 191 endangered Indian languages is Anglophilia now? Wow!
Demography is destiny
The report covers period between 1950 to 2015. But the complaint by liberals is that minorities are under threat after 2014 since BJP took over. Would have been better if we could have covered the changes over one decade to prove the liberals point of view as wrong
They don’t have the data for the period after 2015
Liberals could climb the nearest pole and relax . One wonders as to why the apostles of compulsive political correctness and virulent hypocrisy are uncomfortable with hard facts.
Give us the Statewise data also on same parameters & same period.
Let's force the government to conduct a census. They can't keep cancelling it indefinitely
Why does Shekhar Gupta a very senior editor keep interrupting Shamika Ravi when some issues are uncomfortable for Mr Gupta, not done. However one can surmise the following after hearing this interview :
1. The decline of Hindus is disturbing and can lead to social upheavals some of which India is already seeing and could get worse
2. Increase in the largest minority group in India alongwith lower literacy rate in this community is another area of very serious concern again a destabilizing factor
Overall the interviewer was sub par and he seemed to be deeply uncomfortable that the Hindu population as a percentage of population is falling - WHY? Let the media and senior editors be mature enough to handle such topics then only will they do justice to their profession and more importantly viewers who spend time to watch such interview only to be disappointed by agenda driven media, journalists and in this case senior editors.
Why would you not let her talk. Why is your interpretation so important. You want a secular shroud on the truth?
This is the beauty of our liberal and republic of our nation. We give all the support to Minorities in our nation Bharath.
In the end as country gets richer and people's quality of life improves all religions will decline. The simple truth is that all religions were created for agricultural/pastoral societies with small scale conflicts between kings, the modern industrial information age with gigantic states and incomprehensible scale of wars in the nuclear age is beyond the sense making capacity of any religion.
You are so wrong on this and this is the kind of scenario that India has to avoid going through. Getting richer without any purpose, aspiration & fulfillment is what has led USA’s 40% population into Drugs, Family structure broken & world’s highest suicidal country. Religion still has to play in role in people’s life in the near future whereas Spirituality should be the way forward.
I had a similar belief, but when you breakdown reproduction rates in OECD and western european countries based on religion, this notion doesn’t quite hold up.
Muslims follow their religious tenet un-ambigiously, whilst many "so called" sanatana dharmis are secularists and just name sake without following religious tenets diligently. This denouement is bound to happen eventually.
Muslims population in Bangladesh reduced drastically vis a vis 1971 census of which majority have illegally migrated to India . A dangerous trend
If we take these figures into consideration muslim rate of growth is dangerously high moving towards Gazwa e hind 2047.
SG’s blindspots - ‘conversion not an issue in India’, ‘Drug overdoes not an issue in Punjab’ he goes on and on to find evidence. Why? cLaSsIcAl eDiToR bAiS
Dear Gupta
I suggest you should contact Newyork times,bbc etc and request them to show this information
They know but they will consciously ignore any data or factual information that doesn’t suit their ‘persecution of minorities’ narrative. It’s not due to ignorance. It’s a well thought choice.
Google ‘ Indian media bias chart’ n ‘ international media bias chart’ n see which media is biased to right or left ideologies n corresponding parties!
NYT will say this is the data upto 2015. Modi came in 2014, hence M population has decreased. Also, just like all the other liberal democracies are dying with the influx of the migrants, it will be the turn of India too.
Shekhar speaks language of congress.
He is an old chamcha of pappu party which divided India and created two islamic nations giving 1/3 rd land and again created 9 lac acre land to create new Pakistan or Gazwa e hind 2047.
The higher TFR and increase in population means that Muslims are less developed than Hindus. It is common knowdge that poorer people have more children. One cannot take pride in this fact.
Northern states have much higher TFR than more developed Southern states. As a percentage the population of Southern states has declined. Will Shamika Ravi take pride in population growth of Northern states.
She published data to promote the RSS-BJP narrative against Muslims.
It's a misconception created by librandu brigade. See Kerala is the most literate and developed state muslim birth rate is much higher than hindus and Christians .
Ms Shamika is not a demographer. For a demographer data itself is nothing without proper interpretation. She used the data in a wicked way to fool people. A smaller base always show higher rate of increase. For anyone who has studied Population 43% increase is not alarming as the base population is much smaller than the majority population.
U can lull yourself to sleep once a cut mull take ur daug. .hter or your temple is upsurped and you gets bullied in your area for wearing tikka or rudraksah. People stop selling u groceries etc
@@Chillbaba-1990 It's actually different in our area. In public transport ladies avoid sitting with one with a head scarf. Flat owners in our community call names ( the K ..word) at their backs! Paranoia is bad.... for whatever our religions may be.
@@ujjayiniojha5818 u don't have discriminate keeping a safe distance and keeping a hold on power and staying United as a hindu community is must as we are not far away from be oming a lebanon
@@ujjayiniojha5818 they started the two nation theory and stayed back after taking one 3rd of the country and now asking for exclusive rights even personal.laws and reservation as if it's their right bahut ho gaya ab yeh sab band ho jaana chahiye.
After taking 1/3 rd land over millions of dead bodies, why they stayed back and got 9lac acre as waqf. You can wait till India becomes Afghanistan through population jihad.
Shekhar ji fertility rate per woman is a clever way of masking the reality. Fertility rate should be per couple and not just woman. For every 10 muslim women birthing 26 kids, there might be only 2 or 3 men involved. So thats 26 next gen coming out of 13 current gen people. Whereas for other religions 10 women usually have 10 men involved.
In the words of Dr. Strangelove, the men are performing "prodigious sexual activity." Yet somehow, it is only the women getting pregnant. Strange, don't you think?
"People fallowed family planning promoted by government. Now they are saying who have more numbers will get more benefits then what about family planning !!!!!"
True that states that reduced population gets lesser parliamentary representation...similarly those who have less children don't get anything while u didn't follow a national goal gets scholarship for their daughters to send them abroad.
I would be really interested to see how these figures have changed over the last 10 years....statistics till 2015 is really not relevant in the context of 2024 election
In 1951, Kashmir census not conducted, Muslim population of J&K not included. In 2015 census not conducted, hence 2011 census figure to be taken. Birth rate oh Hindus declined more than Muslims. Birth rate of muslims also declined and declining.
Reservation and any goverment benefits must go to only those who have 2 or fewer children. Also, only 1st or 2nd child should be eligible for government benefits. The critical question is... Would responsible Hindus/Jain parents and children politically support such a move?
I am rather amused that Shamikaji is being naive. Shekar is posing leading questions and she is getting trapped. The elephant in the room is that growth rate ( agreed, it is % Shekar; Don’t take us to elementary classes; We are grown up) of muslims is very high vis a vis Hindus. Don’t digress. What % contribute by birth rate, % due to illegal migration - Debate this. Further what is the % of crypto christians in south esp TN and Andhra as people want to have best of both worlds viz reservation and financial incentives from church. These are unpalatable but need detailed research. Go after that in stead of getting tutored by “ secularists”. Bite the bullet.
As long as we practice democracy where one person has one vote we are doomed to extinction. We should have the guts to ask for removal of democracy as it is practiced now. This is going to be unpalatable for most so till ee find an alternative form of government we must junk parliamentary democracy for a presidential form ( it is de facto but not de jure in India at present) and also get rid of "the winner being the first past the post"
This is an example how Shekhar Gupta misguides Hindus.
12:01 - SG is fearing that BJP will get more stronger votes because of this report.
So this report was brought to provide validity to implement caa and nrc after this election. This seemed to be its main purpose.
26:46- SG is hellbent on making this issue political!
Kudos to The Print for bringing the details of the paper through Shamika Ravi. Very interesting insights
He's anti Hindu and soft gihadi
He is anti hindu and soft gihadi
He is anti hindu and soft gihadi
He is anti hindu and soft gihadi
He is anti hindu and soft gihadi
What about secret christians? Most people are using Hindu names and wearing Hindu symbols (biggest example: Raj Shekar Reddy, Ambika Soni, Priyanka Vadra etc.?)
Gupta must have used the three fingers first time in his life. Trying to observe where the lady can go wrong.
An interview where the interviewer spoke twice as much as the interviewee.
He got anxious too often.
How shame lessly both trying to prove that there is no forcible religious conversions in Pakistan and in Bangladesh.
No census has been done. Why?
Demographics is destiny & India is destined to face another partition - probably will lose lower Assam, Half of Bengal & probably Kerala, the Kashmir valley.
In time, Western UP will also flare up.....this is the great legacy of Lehru & Gandhi, who allowed Muslims to stay on in India despite gifting away half the country....
caste is not helping us unite. dont blame others
@@kumarakantirava429no brother all caste population had decline front of muslim population. Muslim are also devied in caste in Bangladesh and Pakistan there population also rised there
If I had a rupee for every time Shekhar Gupta confuses causation and correlation I would be giving strong compete to Mukeshbhai.
If we calculate the Annual Change in Population based on the first and last numbers, we get an average (-)0.125% growth per year for Hindus and an average (+)0.560% annual growth for Muslims. Based on these numbers and adding all other minorities under "others" we are likely to have 69.37% Hindus, 19.52% Muslims and 11.12% Others in the year 2100. The Muslim population could overtake Hindus at 38.83% to become 39.10% in the year 2400. All this is based on current data where Muslim birth rates were well above Hindu birth rates. Of course, this situation has changed quite a bit over the last 3 decades. As the author said, there is a dire need to study this data on a state level too.
Why Librandus fooling themselves and others when we lost 1/3rd land over millions of dead bodies by such useless secular parties which again ready for new Pakistan by creating 9 lac acre waqf from our ancestral land share.
Time has already called this report biased 😂
Great Shekhar Gupta ji ! you caught her on the Pakistan's minority population drop from 13.5% being an erroneous (perhaps deliberate) calculation !!
Interesting conversation with SG bringing out the total contrast in approaches to data! SG in his own inimical charming way tries to paint a picture of balance and the lady is trying her best to promote her divisive agenda! The fact remains that Muslims will always be a minority and Hindus a vast majority and population will stabilize around the levels seen now! Active mass conversions don’t happen in India and won’t happen! Hindus themselves don’t realize that Hinduism is a vastly superior religion in terms of its intellectual cultural and social depth than any other religion in the world and it can and has stood the test of time! When it withstood a 1000 years of Muslim rule and india remained a majority Hindu country why are people afraid in the 21st century!
Really appreciate the episode Team Print and SG, insightful and Really interesting, most of us must appreciate that places countries we move or immigrate to also have changes in their composition, makes you think, thank you and very much much appreciate your insights and work, thank you
Excellent analysis and interview.
As per shekahar if consider migration 14% of bangladeshi hindus to India then muslim growth in india is much dangerously higher than considered in study.
Santhya Ravi- Daughter of TN governor RN Ravi
Population % pie chart distribution decides the outcome of elections. Abhramics have a superior understanding of this political truth than dhimmi Hindus and Dhimmi exHindus.
This is a alarming situation for Hindus.
Shekhar wants to put his words in her mouth about the Muslims and trying to polarise the coming phase of elections .This is really biased journalism
What I would suggest that The Print and SG can do, is to do an journalistic investigation into all those cases, where in pockets of, the minority population is actually in majority and how they are creating terror in those places ... e.g. hotspots in India which have apparently called out allegiance to organizations outside our country.
But why did it have to be released in the middle of elections?
A few discrepancies in the dataset of the paper:
1. Census 2011 figures reveal Hindu % to be 79.8% however here it is 78.06%.
2. Census 2011 figures reveal that % of Muslims was at 14.23% however here it has DECLINED to 14.09%
3. Between 2001 and 2011, % of Sikhs in Punjab DECLINED by 2% points (59.9 to 57.7%) however here it is showing an INCREASE.
Exactly . It might be 79.2percent as per 2021 there are something propaganda on the report we have to looks government data
Criticism coming from the West towards India as becoming an increasing inhospitable and unwelcome nation is NOT from the last 65 years that this research is covers. Dr. Ravi is missing the point when she talks about rectifying narratives. The criticism pertaining to India becoming intolerant and inhospitable towards its own Muslim and some other population groups is based on observations, policymaking and rhetoric of recent years, specifically after Modi's prime ministership.
Well before modi was India that great for some communities, you say.
Mam, At independence how many people practiced tribal religions and what is the number today. What percentage of tribals have accepted or classified as Hindus. Its the same in Africa. I have worked there, The govt classifies them as per the ruling regime but most practice what they always did.
The govtResearch seems to diverge from real experience of Muslims in India.
Conversion is a big issue in Africa and animists has lost ground to organized religions? Or is there any conversion from one major religion to another? Will it give Hindu Mahasabha an opportunity in africa to compete with other religions in gaining new followers?
Data is for 1952 to 2015. During this period BJP ruled only for five years. If you include 2015 to 2024, what will be the result. Is growth in population is a good indicator of how minorities are treated. Are we reading too much in the Data. Conclusion, how minorities are treated by the present dispensation?
@jishnunk9070 true, + they have a better diet than compared to Hindus.
Yes it is an indicator that they are not discriminated against, it clearly shows special status and Muslim appeasement.
Shri Gupta was doing the 'white man's overbite' in face of Dr. Ravi's cogent arguments. Any movie buffs who got the reference?
Just an increase in numbers does not indicate that the minorities are not facing oppression.
Intact if people lack education, are not gainfully employed they tend to have higher TFR. Rohingya Muslims living in refugee camps in Cox bazaar in Bangladesh tend to have a much higher population growth rates
Those who advance arguments of birth rate are chaturmurgs
Modi ji zindabad
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Just playing with numbers...
Fact remains it is only 1 community that has grown...
We were divided when d community has grown was just 24%...
If we will go state wise numbers will be more frightening...
brilliant analysis....
Does the study account for people who have given up religion?
To know actually population data ,we should include language
as a head ,to know which language speaking population has
more growth irrespective of
religion.
Though she says she is a researcher, she still squeezes in the same rhetoric of leaders of today, one of absurd fear and not of healthy courage to live and govern with truth, justice and righteousness and maintain India as a model nation in spite of its diversity. To live that way is why our forebears fought and gave us freedom on decent construct of our constitution.
Freedom to convert remaining Hindus with foreign money?
No facts...only nebulous opinions
how long minorities will be provided with etc benefits till they become majority?😢 there should be some way to make them develop NOT by making them majority but inducing them to become developed by giving etc benefits limited to 2 or 3 children and bringing in uniform civil code irrespective of their religions just like criminal laws, also proponed by dr ambedkar
Something is terribly wrong in India.
To protect the minority from Majority....such laws were framed that ....minority has become far more dominant in India.
This is not Idea of India ..I urge tge govt to correct this wrong.
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So you r saying there are 45% more cockroaches and 7% less Sanghis now
WTF.
Print should not give unnecessary publicity to the PMO report.
While the contents and arguments are convincing, the timing of the report seems to convince me that it is an excersize to divert the political discussion towards a subject which will polarise the public and get more votes for BJP.
2Rs credited to blind hater's account 😂😂
You are right. But as voters are weaklings who xannot take a stand for themselves with their own hands, and then they they feel like such and such party will exclusively protect them if given a place.
SG is trying his best to say that there is nothing to worry, we should be proud, percentages are not important, birth rate is ok etc. At these percentages, the political power will slip into muslims as they tend vote in bulk..this us the biggest worry. SG is very sielent on this in both the episodes.
@ujjayiniojha5818
Ms Shamika is not a demographer. For a demographer data itself is nothing without proper interpretation. She used the data in a wicked way to fool people. A smaller base always show higher rate of increase. For anyone who has studied Population 43% increase is not alarming as the base population is much smaller than the majority population.
shamika is daughter of tamilnadu governer(known for speaking hindu pride) and the timing brings many question on the report
Justice sachar was a card holding member of congress when he released his sachar committee report. This researcher has no such affiliation and uses open source data, making her more reliable than a congressi ex judge...
You seem to be a dynast
@@kuldeepkumarbhat9648you seems to be sanghi
@@lifecome8695 Still an accurate report.
What are those “many questions”? Mention three, for sample.
Islam is alrmingli expanding all over the world.
And also demographic invasion.
Does it not pull down the general performance and a demographic change with religio-political consequences.
Couldn't help bringing up another movie reference :-) At times, did anyone recall Judy the traffic bunny from Zootopia and the department of motor vehicles sloth scene?
My takeaway is "hindus population is going to be in danger sooner"
Timing of the report makes the intent clear. Create polarization and get back BJP in power. But what have they done so far or do they have a plan to solve it?
But the data is correct sir, why dont u concentrate on that and if Hindus feel worried why that should worry u and if it effects the outcome of the election.
@Shamika , what does the data say about Muslim majority countries. Has any such country has shown minority population increase or even remained the same?
Liberandus downplaying more than 5 times increase in the Muslim population whereas Hindus population only increased by 3 times since 1950.
India should not be proud of reducing Hindu percentage. It is am alarm.