Foreman must be so fuckin scary to fight. He's huge, looks like he's sleep walking in there, and is so patient. Not to mention his power, which is just insane.
@@nickfanzo I think Foreman and Liston had the most devastating jabs of any two fighters in HW history. They were both capable of knocking a guy out just throwing that lead hand. It’s scary to even imagine.
I'll always remember Evander Holyfield saying that when he was fighting George he got hit once in the mouth and when he got back to his corner he asked his team if he still had his teeth.
Friend of mine sparred with George before the Everett Martin fight and he said George dug a left to the body and even though he was wearing sparring protection he couldn't breathe for a week. Said his hands were so heavy it was like being hit with a slab of concrete. They went 20 two minute rounds and after 20 rounds he was dying but said George was ready to go for another five more, he said George doesn't get credit for his cardio work as he should have, he says he constantly skips rope while he's training for a fight.
Like a small handful of other boxers, Big George has achieved his own legacy for what he has done inside and outside the ring. His legacy is unlikely to be matched.
remember watching this with my dad . i was 15 we ordered a pizza couple bottles of coke had a guys night watching big george. now im 6 years older than george was in this fight time flies lol
Thanks for these entire broadcast lost my collection of vhs tapes when I got married. Brings back some good memories Do you have Bowe - Golota 1 would love that entire broadcast
Yeah, Tyson avoided George at all cost. Cus told a Mike that swarming fighters like he and Frazier could never beat Foremen because of his tremendous physical strength and nuclear uppercuts would be waiting for swarmers everytime they tried they tried to come from underneath to attack. I grew up watching Iron Mike and love him to death. With that said, not fighting the big man was the best boxing decision Tyson ever made. Mike could take one hell of a punch. But he certainly wouldn't have been able to take many clean uppercuts from Big George. Then again, who the hell ever did. Cheers.
Well cus wouldn’t have said that as foreman had been retired for years tyson was 19 when cus died and foreman didn’t come back until several years after cus died
@@oldironsides4107 what he actually said was while they watched a lot of the old fights when they were watching Foreman Fraser Custom Auto said that foreman ate up small Fighters and that Tyson would never be able to beat a fighter like Foreman he would eat him up for breakfast he didn't of course know that foreman would come out of retirement in 87
@@oldironsides4107 I was also skeptical for a long time about the supposed unwillingness of Tyson to fight Foreman but I was proven otherwise when I actually saw an interview with Tyson after he was defeated by Buster Douglas and the interviewer I think was Letterman said I know that you said that you never wanted to fight Foreman but will you end up fighting him anyways and he said have half-heartedly we'll fight
Big George had such an odd fighting style. He didnt really tire much and just kept those rolling punches going. He would take a huge punch without blinking. He was like a bear.
Alex Garcia was offered this fight against Foreman but he turned down a close to 1 million dollar payday. Garcia's next fight, he got knocked out in 2 of his next 3 fights. Foreman greatest ever!
Big George is the hardest hitting heavyweight ever...He in his 40s still knocking out younger men..In this fight Big George carried Jimmy to keep from hurting him after the second round he didn't know were he was....Just think Big George had just went the distance with a young Holyfield...This just goes to show how great he is just think if Big George was in his prime don't think Holyfield would had stood a chance..
@@TheBatugan77 that are real examples , Jimmy Ellis was a black Boxer WHO lost the title to Joe Frazier He ha the Same Name . But IT blows My mind , what happened to Sammy sosa over the years ... Unreal
I wonder how Ellis is today cognitively. This type of beating had to have lasting damages. George was sitting down on heavy shots and was trying not to finish him. Then instinct kicked in and it’s either kill or be killed
HBO was dying for a big name after Tyson went to jail Foreman fit that bill even though he sometimes fought easy fights although Alex Stewart fight brought him back to earth
I'll say for Ellis - he took that smash hybrid punch from Foreman that short circuited his entire nervous system, probably made him piss/shit himself, and yet Jimmy kept wading in and throwing bombs right after. Tough SOB.
Such a likeable guy. Big George Foreman!. But I wonder why a guy like Ellis ( a doorman type) suddenly is fighting one of the best heavyweight. George will eat 3 Just to land one of his. This is the different because of his power. Few fighters have such power.
Hey take a look at 37:11. Big George could have knocked him out with a powerful right hand punch on the side of his head, but he thought that it would be unfair because Jimmy was not looking at him.
George said je wanted to ne down to 238 for his next fight but he never sniffed the 240s again, he was 258-260 for all his following fights except Moorer, he was 250.
I always loved HBO boxing, but watching these old broadcasts today, it's just sad. There is nothing anywhere with this level of quality, not even close. They dont even show the corners between rounds on PPV anymore, there's ads. And now we get Prime Video coming. Ugh.
very difficult for Richard Steele??! quit feeling sorry for the referee it is his JOB to decide when to stop the fight. if Steele is not up to the job and is gun shy he shoulda got the hell out of the reffing game.
What a joke.. Ellis should’ve never been in there with an all time great like Foreman. He carried him all night. Could’ve put him out cold if he wanted. Lucky this was peaceful old George 😂
Without Howie LongJimmy Ellis would never had gotten a fight with Foreman. Ellis was a scab bum as a professional football player and a bum as a boxer.
I think he did great against George. I love George all the way. But those announcers wall Ellis a cream puff. Those two should get I. The ring with Ellis. Se who is the cream puff then. 🤪
Ali layed on the ropes and hoped he punched himself out. Which Foreman did. He knew he couldn't win any other way. That's a wussy. Not the greatest of all time.
I still maintain that Foreman is the best heavyweight boxer of all time, even better than Ali. He eclipsed Ali when he came back and had a SECOND boxing career.
Hard to say which boxer is better overall. but the matchups go in Ali's favor, i think. Young Ali would beat old George. Too mobile, active and fast. Post layoff Ali ko'd young George. I think post layoff Ali would beat old George because ali was still very athletic and fit before his 3rd bout with frazier ruined him physically... but thats a very interesting one since old George would have the memory of fighting ali already and he would never fall for the same trick twice. Young Ali vs young George would be very interesting too. Young ali made more silly mistakes than he did when he was older, any version of Foreman didnt need to catch you more than once or twice. I lean towards young George in that one... but that being said young ali never had any serious issues with anyone beyond flash knockdowns. Either way, both awesome heavyweights.
@@someguy7842 Great summation. Styles make fights. Matchups matter yes. But Dempsey still gets picked over Tunney even though he lost twice, with Gene winning damn near every round, maybe 19 of 20!
ellis was no better at boxing then he was at football. those 16 fights that he did winwere fringe boxers not pro boxers east wins. ellis should have stayed out of boxing and found another job
Hold on Cory, Big George was TKO'd by Ali in Zaire to lose the HW title (mind you, Foreman beat himself that night by having nothing left then Ali threw those unplanted arm punches).
Ali could take a punch that would TKO nearly everyone else. This may be part of the reason why he ended up with his later motor control issues. If he'd have been TKO'd in some of those brutal fights, he wouldn't have continued to take those crushing blows 'til the end of the matches. Perhaps he could take a punch too well and then the accumulation eventually caught up with him. The same can be said of Jerry Quarry.
I really don't have a problem with Big George fighting a lot of young kids & old shopworn men on his way to a 2nd World's Title. Foreman had a "padded" record in his 1st career as a fighter. No, my "beef" is that after he won the Heavyweight Title, he wanted to continue to fight such poor boxers in order to maintain his winning record. From 1995 on, George fought such weak guys & they looked really good against him, that I wonder if Foreman seriously had anything left after he ko'd Moorer. (A "thirtysomething" Mike Tyson "ate" most of these late foreman opponents up when he fought them!)
George Foreman Well, Mike Tyson was no George Foreman. That's for sure! He was more a Jack Dempsey or Joe Frazier with such a "physical game" that he was bound to decline badly by his early thirties. As far as "padded records", well, that's how the money is made, Pal. Keeping a guy winning big or undefeated so that the promoters can cash in on his big fight or title fight. The greatest of many of the Heavyweight champs you mentioned is the fact that they WERE the "real deal" and beat everyone in front of them, not just the "bums". (The odds makers in Vegas or London wouldn't even cover the odds on bets concerning Foreman the first time he fought Joe Frazier that's how suspect George's pre-championship ring record was! Strange, but true!)
George Foreman Jack Dempsey didn't avoid black fighters. He tired again and again to get Black heavyweight contender Harry Wills into the ring for a big money Madison Square Garden title shot in the mid-20's, but both the powerful fight promoters and the general sporting public didn't wish to see another Jack Johnson "type" holding the title. So, nothing came of it despite the official signing of contracts and Dempsey was never allowed to fight in New York State again. And it's a shame they never met since Jack may have KO'd Wills easily because Harry was big, slow and mechanical--Perfect for Dempsey! When Jack Sharkey fought Wills, he completely beat him up over thirteen rounds and ended the "myth" of Harry Wills as an uncrowned champion. (Plus, one of Dempsey's best sparring partners was Big Bill Tate--a 6'6" black guy!) Irish-American heavyweight champion John L. Sullivan was the white racist who wouldn't even spar with a black man, Pal. Nearly everyone else--Corbitt to Baer--either fought black fighters on the way up and or didn't stick around long enough at the top level to fight a black man in a title bout...Except for Jack Johnson, but that opponent wasn't that good!
James Hash But my friend George Foreman was over 45 years old in a Young mans game.. i know hes fighting guys like ellis, savarese.. but he beat moorer, he beat alex stewart who is a dangerous slugger, i Think he beat briggs who rocked lewis and had a great fight with Holyfield one of the best ever.. so i Think when you are 40 plus you have to get matched in a fair way u know..
+josef karlberg Boxing doesn't handicap for age. Foreman knew he was limited and would likely get beaten by any of the top contenders and/or champs, so he matched himself very carefully, and used his gift for gab to attract attention, which, ultimately, resulted in him getting an undeserved title shot against Holyfield (and later against Moorer). Foreman came back for the money -- and he was masterful at positioning himself for the big-money shots. But he was never a true contender.
It didn't matter how old Foreman was. He knew he could beat Tyson. Didn't matter if Tyson was in or out of his prime. Tyson was always an infighter. And you could not stand in front of Foreman too beat him. Even after Ali stole his sole in Zaire. He still preformed well against other Infighters. Tommy Morrison didn't even chance to stand in front of the big man. That's why he was successful. They were made for Foreman. And as you can see, no matter how underleveled Jimmy Ellis was. He had a style simulator to Mike Tyson, so did Joe Frazier, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and Ken Norton. You could not stand in front of Foreman to beat him
Glad George found peace and made this come back. Legend
Absolutley love watching these old full broadcasts...really brings back the memories.....Thanks for uploading
Can not believe these fights are over 20 years now, same amount of time between his loss to Ali and his KO of Michael Moorer !
Foreman must be so fuckin scary to fight. He's huge, looks like he's sleep walking in there, and is so patient. Not to mention his power, which is just insane.
Heavy hands like concrete
@Ben Rounds He had a great chin . Said only 2 fighters in his career hurt him , Lyle and Cooney
@@SJ-ty5rw Cleveland Williams, too, though he only sparred with him.
@@nickfanzo I think Foreman and Liston had the most devastating jabs of any two fighters in HW history. They were both capable of knocking a guy out just throwing that lead hand. It’s scary to even imagine.
i think his boxing iq is underrated as well
I'll always remember Evander Holyfield saying that when he was fighting George he got hit once in the mouth and when he got back to his corner he asked his team if he still had his teeth.
Yep. They laughed and assured him he was okay.
What a joke!
Holyfield was lightly overrated :Bowe and Lewis were better
@@Shovelhook that man was not overrated. He was a cruiserweight that moved up in weight & won a title at HW with a very punishing style
Holyfield's career better than either one. Outside of Holyfield Bowe faced nobody. Prime Holyfield beats Lewis.
Love George, He didnt want to hurt the guy.. Great legend
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Well at that time he didn’t
Now that's compassion from the rev. George! 😉😁
Friend of mine sparred with George before the Everett Martin fight and he said George dug a left to the body and even though he was wearing sparring protection he couldn't breathe for a week.
Said his hands were so heavy it was like being hit with a slab of concrete.
They went 20 two minute rounds and after 20 rounds he was dying but said George was ready to go for another five more, he said George doesn't get credit for his cardio work as he should have, he says he constantly skips rope while he's training for a fight.
Awesome thanks
Millions of Filipino loves you Mr George Forman. God bless.
George has learned how to relax, not fast but he dosen't expend much energy when punching. But puts his weight into it
Like a small handful of other boxers, Big George has achieved his own legacy for what he has done inside and outside the ring. His legacy is unlikely to be matched.
And with good reason.
We were still beautiful in the 90s
remember watching this with my dad . i was 15 we ordered a pizza couple bottles of coke had a guys night watching big george. now im 6 years older than george was in this fight time flies lol
Holyfield vs Holmes, and Holyfield vs Douglas full broadcast. Thanks again for these sir
Fighters with no tattoos. I like it
A true grown man doesn't have a desire for tattoos .
I forgot how God Bless the usa was Foreman's entrance music in the 90s. before 9/11/01
Old segments are so much better than it is today. :)
George is like the Buddha boxer.. so kind of him to let the other boxer hug him so he can recuperate
Thanx for posting! Loved the show!
How many people were confused by the announcement of this fight and thought that the former heavyweight champ had come out of retirement?
Big George fought with mercy inside his heart but also Jimmy had a solid chin
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Yeah he did. He did it more often. Against Pierre Coetzer you could also see George holding back.
@@Trust-me-I-am-a-dentist I'll watch that fight
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Thanks for these entire broadcast lost my collection of vhs tapes when I got married. Brings back some good memories Do you have Bowe - Golota 1 would love that entire broadcast
Love all of Big George’s fights !
Never a dull moment.
Too bad Mike Tyson ducked him.
That would have been a great fight to enjoy forever.
Cus d‘amato say don’t fight George foreman. I hear
Yeah, Tyson avoided George at all cost. Cus told a Mike that swarming fighters like he and Frazier could never beat Foremen because of his tremendous physical strength and nuclear uppercuts would be waiting for swarmers everytime they tried they tried to come from underneath to attack. I grew up watching Iron Mike and love him to death. With that said, not fighting the big man was the best boxing decision Tyson ever made. Mike could take one hell of a punch. But he certainly wouldn't have been able to take many clean uppercuts from Big George. Then again, who the hell ever did. Cheers.
Well cus wouldn’t have said that as foreman had been retired for years tyson was 19 when cus died and foreman didn’t come back until several years after cus died
@@oldironsides4107 what he actually said was while they watched a lot of the old fights when they were watching Foreman Fraser Custom Auto said that foreman ate up small Fighters and that Tyson would never be able to beat a fighter like Foreman he would eat him up for breakfast he didn't of course know that foreman would come out of retirement in 87
@@oldironsides4107 I was also skeptical for a long time about the supposed unwillingness of Tyson to fight Foreman but I was proven otherwise when I actually saw an interview with Tyson after he was defeated by Buster Douglas and the interviewer I think was Letterman said I know that you said that you never wanted to fight Foreman but will you end up fighting him anyways and he said have half-heartedly we'll fight
"I'm ALL RIGHT man! I'm fine man! What round is it??" -uh...just finished the 2nd Jimmy, LOL. Always loved this one.
what a professional sportsman. I love george.
Big George had such an odd fighting style. He didnt really tire much and just kept those rolling punches going. He would take a huge punch without blinking. He was like a bear.
It must REALLY suck to land your best shot on George, and still he comes forward punching.....HARD!!
No Match to George Foreman..he is true master..
Alex Garcia was offered this fight against Foreman but he turned down a close to 1 million dollar payday. Garcia's next fight, he got knocked out in 2 of his next 3 fights. Foreman greatest ever!
His left cross was his best punch ever. Aside from his jab. The left hook was another punch he could hit you with.
You mean his right cross? I'm not sure that the left cross is even a recognized punch, unless the fighter is a southpaw.
Big George is one of my favorite fighters.
George’s jabs are sending Ellis flying lime most other fighters right hands 😳
Big George is the hardest hitting heavyweight ever...He in his 40s still knocking out younger men..In this fight Big George carried Jimmy to keep from hurting him after the second round he didn't know were he was....Just think Big George had just went the distance with a young Holyfield...This just goes to show how great he is just think if Big George was in his prime don't think Holyfield would had stood a chance..
@Andre McGoo First in foremost if we going to debate let be respectful..Am not an will never be no one's idiot !!!
If George Foreman would've fought any of these guys with his 90s head screwed onto his 70s body, God help all of them........
Jimmy ellis had whitened up since the late sixties
So had Sammy Sosa & Michael Jackson.
@@TheBatugan77 that are real examples , Jimmy Ellis was a black Boxer WHO lost the title to Joe Frazier He ha the Same Name . But IT blows My mind , what happened to Sammy sosa over the years ... Unreal
Forman was joking if he was more serious he would kill that guy in a second
He defiantly took it easy on the guy
He felt bad, he said that he knew he could’ve killed the guy
Forman had become a religious man maybe that's why he didn't want to harm the others more he was just fighting for money not to kill someone
I wonder how Ellis is today cognitively. This type of beating had to have lasting damages. George was sitting down on heavy shots and was trying not to finish him. Then instinct kicked in and it’s either kill or be killed
I like George, he could have destroyed Ellis in the first round, but he gave him time to recover
HBO was dying for a big name after Tyson went to jail Foreman fit that bill even though he sometimes fought easy fights although Alex Stewart fight brought him back to earth
Foreman still won though
Foreman looked like he was beaten with a bat after the Stewart fight
Larry Merchant ALWAYS dissed George. You can't train for George's right hand, when it lands.
You just gotta love big George.....
He carried this guy! What a legend
I'll say for Ellis - he took that smash hybrid punch from Foreman that short circuited his entire nervous system, probably made him piss/shit himself, and yet Jimmy kept wading in and throwing bombs right after. Tough SOB.
Big Georges forman le plus grand poids lourds de tout les temps et loin devant tout les autres.....🍜🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Tout simplement 😌🙌🏾👊🏽
I keep thinking 'he fought Jimmy Ellis?' Then, 'Oh...'
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The other Jimmy Ellis.
I was just thinking that! 😂🤣
@@aiyahuntacheimumbi236 😂🤣
@@prinzdodo I was like "Hold up, I know Jimmy Ellis is not white!"🤔😂
For a guy who never learned how to throw a short left hook, Foreman did pretty well......
I was at this fight a lot of fun
Imagine a immovable object coming forward to you. Jimmy likes pain i guess
George Knocked a lot of people out with glancing blows. Definitely in top 5 power punchers of all time.
The bell rings B4 the time counts down
I've never seen a man use an axe so easily with that much force. It looks like a child's toy in his big ass hands. Cheers.
Jimmy was simply overmatched
The same thing would happen to any football player against George Foreman.
Such a likeable guy. Big George Foreman!. But I wonder why a guy like Ellis ( a doorman type) suddenly is fighting one of the best heavyweight. George will eat 3 Just to land one of his. This is the different because of his power. Few fighters have such power.
Who's the guy on solid white trunk at 00:02 ? Sugar Ray Leonard?
اتمنى من صاحب القناة ان يكتب السنة التي اقيم فيها النزال
Hey take a look at 37:11. Big George could have knocked him out with a powerful right hand punch on the side of his head, but he thought that it would be unfair because Jimmy was not looking at him.
George said je wanted to ne down to 238 for his next fight but he never sniffed the 240s again, he was 258-260 for all his following fights except Moorer, he was 250.
I always loved HBO boxing, but watching these old broadcasts today, it's just sad. There is nothing anywhere with this level of quality, not even close. They dont even show the corners between rounds on PPV anymore, there's ads. And now we get Prime Video coming. Ugh.
200 acre ranch, damn.
Sterling Wainscott for Pres.!
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Red saved his life possibly
I can't believe ellis wasn't an amatuer. he's got balls
34:53 evil bastards rung the bell early so the fight would go on... poor Jimmy
very difficult for Richard Steele??! quit feeling sorry for the referee it is his JOB to decide when to stop the fight. if Steele is not up to the job and is gun shy he shoulda got the hell out of the reffing game.
Just think if foreman didn't quit boxing for 10 years, he would of knocked Holmes out guarantee. It's a fight no one ever talks about.
Have to agree with you Fresh Prince of Gretna
Did HBO gang even say anything about Ellis ko win over Tony Tubbs ?
Good ref 👏 👌 needed him for Tommy Morrison 👏 Morrison was like a client without a lawyer..
This Jimmy Ellis not that 70s jimmy Ellis
Foreman said it don't matter if jimmy Ellis is white or black, im beating his ass lol yell
foreman petinju yang tangguh dan bijaksana
37:10 big George could have destroyed this guy but held back
HBO trying to survive after Tyson went inside
Foreman rakibin pes etmesini ve fazlaca zarar görmemesi için her ihtimali denedi..
Ellis could have continued but he was just getting beaten and not landing anything
HBO was ashamed of this one...
33:43
Nice national anthem.
What a joke.. Ellis should’ve never been in there with an all time great like Foreman. He carried him all night. Could’ve put him out cold if he wanted. Lucky this was peaceful old George 😂
George is a Grizzly Bear with gloves, no speed all torque. And not afraid to use his granite chin to block a punch.
george foremans last fight
He fought 8 more times after this fight.
The wrong Jimmy Ellis
Love George, as does everyone else. But, Steele was the worst if name ref in his era. He blew so many fights.
Without Howie LongJimmy Ellis would never had gotten a fight with Foreman. Ellis was a scab bum as a professional football player and a bum as a boxer.
you're less than that
I think he did great against George. I love George all the way. But those announcers wall Ellis a cream puff. Those two should get I. The ring with Ellis. Se who is the cream puff then. 🤪
Ali beat this guy in his prime
Ali is goat
Ali layed on the ropes and hoped he punched himself out. Which Foreman did. He knew he couldn't win any other way. That's a wussy. Not the greatest of all time.
No but top 5 for sure
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I'm no Ali fan.
But that's as stupid a take I've read in decades.
@@TheBatugan77 you haven't a clue. Apparently you weren't around then. Watch the fight.
I still maintain that Foreman is the best heavyweight boxer of all time, even better than Ali. He eclipsed Ali when he came back and had a SECOND boxing career.
Hard to say which boxer is better overall. but the matchups go in Ali's favor, i think.
Young Ali would beat old George. Too mobile, active and fast.
Post layoff Ali ko'd young George.
I think post layoff Ali would beat old George because ali was still very athletic and fit before his 3rd bout with frazier ruined him physically... but thats a very interesting one since old George would have the memory of fighting ali already and he would never fall for the same trick twice.
Young Ali vs young George would be very interesting too. Young ali made more silly mistakes than he did when he was older, any version of Foreman didnt need to catch you more than once or twice. I lean towards young George in that one... but that being said young ali never had any serious issues with anyone beyond flash knockdowns.
Either way, both awesome heavyweights.
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Great summation. Styles make fights. Matchups matter yes. But Dempsey still gets picked over Tunney even though he lost twice, with Gene winning damn near every round, maybe 19 of 20!
Replacement football player
ellis was no better at boxing then he was at football. those 16 fights that he did winwere fringe boxers not pro boxers east wins. ellis should have stayed out of boxing and found another job
$300,000 was quite an incentive to take Foreman punches.
You go girl
Horrible ref.... shady
George had a way better chin than Ali. But both of them have never been knocked out..so thats a great boxing record.
Cory Anthony not way better, five to five
Hold on Cory, Big George was TKO'd by Ali in Zaire to lose the HW title (mind you, Foreman beat himself that night by having nothing left then Ali threw those unplanted arm punches).
Old foreman did
Ali could take a punch that would TKO nearly everyone else. This may be part of the reason why he ended up with his later motor control issues. If he'd have been TKO'd in some of those brutal fights, he wouldn't have continued to take those crushing blows 'til the end of the matches. Perhaps he could take a punch too well and then the accumulation eventually caught up with him. The same can be said of Jerry Quarry.
Ali had one of the best chins ever.
Foreman picked up 5 million for this farce.
Tyson picked up worse in his prime
I really don't have a problem with Big George fighting a lot of young kids & old shopworn men on his way to a 2nd World's Title. Foreman had a "padded" record in his 1st career as a fighter. No, my "beef" is that after he won the Heavyweight Title, he wanted to continue to fight such poor boxers in order to maintain his winning record. From 1995 on, George fought such weak guys & they looked really good against him, that I wonder if Foreman seriously had anything left after he ko'd Moorer. (A "thirtysomething" Mike Tyson "ate" most of these late foreman opponents up when he fought them!)
George Foreman Well, Mike Tyson was no George Foreman. That's for sure! He was more a Jack Dempsey or Joe Frazier with such a "physical game" that he was bound to decline badly by his early thirties. As far as "padded records", well, that's how the money is made, Pal. Keeping a guy winning big or undefeated so that the promoters can cash in on his big fight or title fight. The greatest of many of the Heavyweight champs you mentioned is the fact that they WERE the "real deal" and beat everyone in front of them, not just the "bums". (The odds makers in Vegas or London wouldn't even cover the odds on bets concerning Foreman the first time he fought Joe Frazier that's how suspect George's pre-championship ring record was! Strange, but true!)
George Foreman Jack Dempsey didn't avoid black fighters. He tired again and again to get Black heavyweight contender Harry Wills into the ring for a big money Madison Square Garden title shot in the mid-20's, but both the powerful fight promoters and the general sporting public didn't wish to see another Jack Johnson "type" holding the title. So, nothing came of it despite the official signing of contracts and Dempsey was never allowed to fight in New York State again. And it's a shame they never met since Jack may have KO'd Wills easily because Harry was big, slow and mechanical--Perfect for Dempsey! When Jack Sharkey fought Wills, he completely beat him up over thirteen rounds and ended the "myth" of Harry Wills as an uncrowned champion. (Plus, one of Dempsey's best sparring partners was Big Bill Tate--a 6'6" black guy!) Irish-American heavyweight champion John L. Sullivan was the white racist who wouldn't even spar with a black man, Pal. Nearly everyone else--Corbitt to Baer--either fought black fighters on the way up and or didn't stick around long enough at the top level to fight a black man in a title bout...Except for Jack Johnson, but that opponent wasn't that good!
James Hash But my friend George Foreman was over 45 years old in a Young mans game.. i know hes fighting guys like ellis, savarese.. but he beat moorer, he beat alex stewart who is a dangerous slugger, i Think he beat briggs who rocked lewis and had a great fight with Holyfield one of the best ever.. so i Think when you are 40 plus you have to get matched in a fair way u know..
+josef karlberg Boxing doesn't handicap for age. Foreman knew he was limited and would likely get beaten by any of the top contenders and/or champs, so he matched himself very carefully, and used his gift for gab to attract attention, which, ultimately, resulted in him getting an undeserved title shot against Holyfield (and later against Moorer). Foreman came back for the money -- and he was masterful at positioning himself for the big-money shots. But he was never a true contender.
It didn't matter how old Foreman was. He knew he could beat Tyson. Didn't matter if Tyson was in or out of his prime. Tyson was always an infighter. And you could not stand in front of Foreman too beat him. Even after Ali stole his sole in Zaire. He still preformed well against other Infighters. Tommy Morrison didn't even chance to stand in front of the big man. That's why he was successful. They were made for Foreman. And as you can see, no matter how underleveled Jimmy Ellis was. He had a style simulator to Mike Tyson, so did Joe Frazier, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and Ken Norton. You could not stand in front of Foreman to beat him
WtF? Since when is Jimmy Ellis white? Obviously a different fighter, and basically just a ham and egger. The fight should have been stopped earlier.
its a different fighter with the same name. Do you understand?
@@abelincoln5698 I already said that, dumbfuck. You really should learn how to read.
@@tommackay7433 Don't get excited , cretin.
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You should SHOVE it.
Hard to enjoy watching these old boxing events knowing Foreman is a pro USA Trump republican.
I'm pro USA.
Deal with it.
When I hear people refer to George’s prime being in the 1970’s I want to laugh. 1990’s George beats 1970’s George every day and twice on Sunday.
Mike Tyson has more 1st round KO's then Foreskin
So what ? Young Foreman would have killed Tyson before the rape or after
That doesn’t matter. George has better heart
Tyson fucked himself over
Tyson's fanboys are usually semi retarded
You should tell him that. You won't get much farther than "Hey, Mr. Foreskin", then you'll wake up wondering wtf just ran over me?
@@milojanis4901 good answer 😁❤️
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