So we've got lawyers that can't lawer ,doctors that can't doctor ,teachers that can't teach, and last but not least, politicians that don't represent anyone but their own ideology. I know these professions have a tendency towards arrogance, but this professor takes the biscuit, coughing, and splutter at your questions as if you shouldn't be so dim . With this interview, I think we all know who is the dim one .
The fact that Paterson seemed so uncomfortable offering a full explanation and defense of these developments makes me wonder if he and others faced with similar situations are simply taking what they feel is the path of least resistance in the face of racial activism rather than exercising the independent thought and leadership that the public expect of them.
Yes , that would be my suspicion . Actually abnegating the responsibility to consider and reach an informed standpoint . And yet this is what should be expected of an experienced lawyer in a position of some influence .
Yes and they should bring together all their knowledge and power and fight on behalf of all NZ and put an end to these dangerous and divisive racial policies. We are suppose to be a democratic country of equal citizens... the legal minds of NZ have a duty to the people of our country to see our laws are not abused... this is total abuse by activists of the meaning of the treaty which called for us to be one nation of equal people and a democracy. The Maori tribal elite are the wealthiest people in NZ and their tribes are worth multi millions yet they see their own people sleeping in cars, going hungry and without medical care. All treaty settlements should be made to be accounted for so that all Maori benefit not just the fat cats on top.... they are all known by Maori themselves and they are not respected... the treaty gravy train affords them a great life style and a massive amount of wealth and until we draw a line under the treaty and move forward or tear it up completely these greedy grabbers will continue doing what they are doing..
Guy shouldn't have gone to "those" parties and snorted "those" lines... the impression that comes across. Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't but to be stuttering through a messy situation like that is certainly suspect. Treason's a slippery slope, just ask Hunter Biden about the laptop. Paterson comes across as having put himself over a barrel, between a rock and a hard place. Can't be fun to be so compromised. Kinda feel for the goon, feathered his nest with barbs and bullshit.
This is appalling. The majority of law was not written in the context of "The Treaty of Waitangi". To re-interpret laws within this 'new context' is in many ways changing or altering many laws e.g., property rights, to an application not as originally intended. Changing the law through re-interpretation is not within the capacity of lawyers; this is political activism. It is up to the elected Legislators to revise and/or change laws. None of these lawyers are elected and are largely unaccountable to the voters. They are literally acting as a law unto themselves.
The Crown have been reinterpreting laws for a thousand years and more. The Treaty of Waitangi has been in effect since 1840, prior to many provinces even establishing proper relations ie the West Coast of te Waipounamu circa 1860. The Crown 👑 have all the power naturally, or rather ultimately, so if the average New Zealander is upset, gang up on Maori and let them be the gun fodder for public ire.
Your comment is typical of those in the woke right trying to push a possible conspiracy theory to protect their perfect 'white' only judo-christian fantastical utopia.
@@jackiedouglas4483 I do not disagree that the Crown has been reinterpreting law for yonks... but in this case it is not the Crown, or even the Supreme Court, but rather a group of unelected (by the constituency) self-appointed activist lawyers i.e., making the situation more confused, more contradictory and therefore worse. They should wait and let legislators do their job before inserting themselves... as Sean points out, there is not yet a new regulator, rather this is being pushed before the cart by activists.
@@jackiedouglas4483 Hasn't been in effect since 1840, was nullified by the courts a couple decades later and only re-introduced into use in the 1960/70s
@Michael Schmidt thank you. A small minority of loud activists have sought to influence Crown -Iwi relationships. Influence is one thing, but it is the Crown who legislate with their agent, the government of the day.
Start with the result you wish to achieve, then create a discussion on whether the current mechanism is appropriate, then encourage a review of ‘qualified’ (note that one was a ‘notable’ Maori academic), drive a report that strongly recommends the required changes to achieve the result. The Supreme Court is not the Law Maker.. that’s Parliament. This is the tail wagging the dog.
Good comments.. with the current government in power the situation has become quite dangerous.. we need to vote them out as they will continue down this road there seems no stopping them!
Valerie, quite so. This government has to go.. my fear is replaced with what. I listened to the Plunket-Saymore discussion this morning and just didn’t feel the love. I see a major event post GE.. Luxon will be removed as PM leaving their coalition partner ACT in limbo pending a renegotiation of conditions. Three years of a Left leaning National party continuing to embrace the existing social reformation and ACT regardless of their stated centrist views along for the ride. Crisis will follow crisis. This is approaching a ‘big bang’ event for the nation.
People like Ron have a vested interest in this.. The more convoluted it is, the more he's needed as an 'independent' reviewer.. 🤔 This 'principles of the Treaty' thing will create more roles in corporates hand government the same way DEI & ESG regulations create fluff positions.. 🤔
well done Shaun, you were so sharp on this guys woolley thinking rubbish, one rule for all, all equal under the law. The principles of the treaty of Waitangi were not signed on by anyone, they are a derivative and not binding on anyone, and very dangerous thing
Twenty five years ago I started a social work degree in NZ. Tikanga was one of the models. During this we were taught that it was perfectly acceptable for any Maori to object to being seen by a non Maori staff member and request anti be seen by a Maori staff member. That’s tikanga. Imagine a non Maori objecting to being served by a Maori 😮 Surely this goes against the treaty principle that we are all equal subjects under the crown.
@@tjhawe-cm1lg Most Maori couldn’t string two words together in Maori back then and the majority of Maori have no desire to be fluent today. If they did , they could easily enroll on any of the tax payer funded te reo courses.
As a lawyer, I hope he would never advise some-one to sign something that has clauses that are not defined, yet he seems quite happy to head a group that is proposing just that. The mind boggles
Wow.....they are wanting a point of reference that isn't clear or specific or written down to justify any court action that may take place at any time.
Colonisation was bad for Maoris. In one bold stroke the Treaty of Waitangi freed all the chiefs’ slaves (about 10,000 of them). They were then free to take work on things like road building contracts, thus earning money and being able to spend it how they liked. The Treaty brought an end to tribal warfare and cannibalism, thus giving individual Maoris a right to life that they had not had before. For a society that had not even invented the wheel or writing, colonisation brought all the advanced inventions, comforts and contemporary medicine of the Western world. In 1840 the average life expectancy of a Maori was less than 30 years. In 2012 it was 72.8 years for men and 76.5 years for women.
It should be one law for all in this day and age. New Zealand is an amazing melting pot of many cultures and peoples. Isn't it high time to stop segregation at any level no matter what the rationale is claimed to be? Or perhaps, if we're gonna cling to the days that have gone by, why not just go back to the New Zealand Declaration of Independence signed in 1835, 5 years before the treaty? The treaty is supposed to be akin to a contract, but with any contract, all signatures need to be on all papers. This did not happen. There are tribes that signed one and not the other, some tribes that signed both and because of the food shortage, some didn't even do that. However, the declaration had it done from all parties and was far more fair and just than the treaty was initially.
These people arguing to stop Maori selling land to foreigners? Thats the only non belligerent part the document. To stop the fighting they had to have an agreement. Are they still declaring terroristic ideology towards the current government and citizens? Why would we care about this treaty unless someones planning a race based civil war? We never hear about our signing up for the UN or ANZUS agreements which actually are current treaties being breached! The UN mandates specifically say to stop fascism and.... Funding Ukraine is a direct breach and immediate removal from all UN meetings. Check the documents. You will find my family name right there on the dotted line! But this gov has breached that treaty amd now is an invalid member along with anyone else help Ukraine
The review committee seems to have been a bunch of woke individuals. "Tikanga is the first law." God help us! This committee is recommending co-governance! Interesting that the learned professor cannot define the "principles of the Treaty of Waitangi!" How can the rest of us have a clue!
@@NA-sj9jy ah no. What the Supreme Court actually said was that there was a significant difference between New Zealand and other countries that warranted not stopping the Peter Ellis case after he died. Very basically the concept of mana and mana continuing after a person dies is consistent with tikangi and with how the majority of New Zealanders think. This approach allowed them to quash Ellis' convictions in what was so obviously a complete travesty of justice. The biggest negative response to this approach actually came from the Maori world. The view of many Maori was that what is and isn't tikangi shouldn't be decided by the Judiciary. There's probably a very fine line that needs to be drawn. New Zealand common law should not just be a direct copy of other similiar jurisdictions, and part of that will be a recognition of aspects of tikangi. At the end day that should be normative values that we as a society all agree on.
@@RobertSingers a flaw in your argument/discussion is that the rift that this government has created means that any chance of "we as a society" agreeing on, has left port.
Tikanga's origins included eating each other. The Supreme Court is blinken mad, evil, and not to be taken seriously. As are these mad academics, white and brown. Parliament the same. The system has lost the plot totally.
Tikanga means to be culturally appropriate, it's talking about culture not law....acting in a cultural manner. It doesn't mean it overrides our current laws, correct me if I'm wrong. Please.
@@andreatodd3095 - I have no idea what applying the law in a culturally appropriate way means. It suggests that we apply it differently depending on some person's (not sure whose) culture, which doesn't seem appropriate at all.
@@ChrisBNisbet maybe it means greeting the judge in maori, saying a prayer in maori before court procedures ??? Any way you look at it, it's making one racial preference in a legal system in a multicultural country.....that I have an issue with.
So the argument for codifying the need for cultural competence in lawyers is a desire to replicate a medical system that has been forced into failure. I wish that was the weirdest thing I'd heard all week.
There are principles of the Treaty. No, the Treaty was a very simple document of only three Articles, none of which mentions “principles” or “partnership.” Since the Treaty gave equality for the first time to all the people of New Zealand, the grievance industry of the late twentieth century knew that they could not get special race based privileges from the Treaty itself and so, 150 years after the event, they invented for the first time the fictions of “principles” and “partnership” to give them what the Treaty does not.
A great source of income for the "gravy train" fat who have milked the NZ tax payers of zillions of dollars over a large number of years... time to tear up the treaty and be the the one nation of equal people it called for! in 1840.. A true democratic country... Maori do not like democracy!
It's not headed by the Crown. It's a contract between the Crown and Maori. The people sit below the Crown. Maori leadership sit side by side with the King 🤴.
Are they trying to create division based on race. We are told retirement age maybe going up, but also that's unfair because Polynesian and Maori life expectancy is less. Does this mean jail sentences will be race based as well
Face it, that Treaty is now read to suit a seperatist, Apartheid style, future. Burn the thing. Suddenly, the aim of the Treaty is supposed to keep Kiwis separated. It thus does harm, and it is most harmful to Part-Maori. These people are compelled to denounce generally 50% plus of their own whakapapa so they can qualify as beneficiaries.
I love the treaty, is garantees us all equality under the law, it is the new "principles of the treaty of waitangi" which no one signed on for, that is the problem, burn that along with the degrees of those who thought of it
@@J.Smith-rc6wh If only those thinking they will get freebies because of all this separatism on account of some ancestor, would realize the tune is up. The Treaty was about unity and equality, not separatism and equity.
Yes and no. I think for the medium term it'll mean another heaping mountain of compliance bureaucracy to scale if anything is to be resolved in the courts. The woke agenda is geared towards growing and merging the corporate and state apparatus and stealing more agency away from public life.
AS a 77yr old I wish I had the money to relocate to Australia and get away from all these new BS ideas. good on you Sean for bringing things like this to attention
Mate it's the same here our socialist (read WEF) government is proposing an indigenous governing body called the voice, ultimately it would give a privileged small minority of indigenous people incredible powers over the majority of Australians. Our PM won't go into the details of 1, Their role and 2, how this will actually work. At best it's devisive and at worst it will ultimately remove legitimate ownership of property and land. Currently aborigines have 33 billion allocated to improve their lives, at the bottom of the rung it isn't but it's certainly improving the lives of those who administer the money.
Well you immigrants in my country been doing quite well living off the interest of the maori bank plungers and visitors ur governments got no constitution.
At 80 I can identify with you... family being in NZ since 1812...so I am a real European native of NZ... after 200 years where else I am native of??? Anyway, this Government needs to be got rid of and quick their WEF racist policies have divided us like never before ... then we can do what countries all around the world are doing against the WEF policies (transgender extremism etc.) we will PUSH BACK the nonsense! We can do it!
@@valeriehughes1008 use are immigrants its indigenous that are aboriginal natives of this country Europeans committed genocide and slavery no ur history
I,m off to Scotland, 96 per cent white people, think about that 96 per cent white people,no iwi ,no treaty,no moari tattooed bikers, .007 per cent are black people,mostly indian or Caribbean, so that,s only 3000 black people in a population of 5 and a half million ,also l can buy two bedroom house for 52,000 thousands pounds which is about 110,000 kiwi dollars ,tell were could you buy a house for that in New Zealand ,it,s also on the doorstep of Europe,two hours to Copenhagen,40 minutes to Paris, going to live my" Doc Martian" lifestyle ,lived in the UK from 91-95 so know what's what over there
@@NA-sj9jy have cousins there that own two farms, one in Strathavan and one in Hamilton,have been to both on a number of occasion,s when l lived there in the 90,s, Scotland,s lock Lomond is just beautiful,match anything here in new Zealand,the costswold,s ,peak district ,had a house in Northampton shire ,so been there done it all
If enabled would place the regulation of Lawyers under a statutory quasi governmental body and under this Liebour Government would support this bullshit. And the good Law Professor was rather evasive. So where are these principals defined?
Ron is dangerous men. I think its time for the treaty to be dropped as its only creating issue now. This doesn't help Maori or any NZ er as this feels like WEF shit to me.
I really ENJOY this interview, RESPECT SEAN!! Questions were quality :) You got the truth from Ron, You speak the truth Sean, Having treaty principals in Lawyer is just rubbish and toxic!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! All certain maori ideology needs to go from our everyday life, you should have a choice to learn it or not, not solve down our throats, all media funded by government to preach this ideology will be abolished!! New government of National and ACT. We have a referendum on the treaty concepts by ACT Party, Democracy for 2024 :)
You want to check out what the MoE is cramming down teachers throats with the new NCEA. There is hardly a standard where a Maori world view is not the dominant overreaching theme. Think the government is overrun with radicals now .. just give it 10 years when the current round are out of university .. oh boy.
The Treaty of Waitangi lie is a marvellous con. Swallowed hook, line, sinker, and boat. If the lawyers charge like a wounded bull for all the beautiful work to come from it then good on them.
This guy is a professor of law? God help us - he and all his profession should put their heads together and end all this extreme nonsense they would do a great service to the country, instead of giggling about it.... time to tear up the treaty, put an end to the gravy train elite and reclaim our country as a democratic country with equal rights for all its citizens irrespective of skin colour!
we need a referendum on the principles of the treaty rubbish before any more law is made based on it, or any more consultants like Ron get paid to waffle bullshit like this then go on holiday
Firstly the treaty was not a partnership it was a ceeding of sovereignty and then he can't even say what the principles of the treaty are so how can he act in alignment with them. Be he can't say what a woman is either.
Hi Sean love your work mate. Just on the "cultural competence " topic. I have a plumbing business in Rotorua and I do work for the Tuhoe . I am a European Nz er and I find in my daily duties having some of the above mentioned ( not much but enough to be dangerous) I find it is helpful as to avoid some occasional embarrassing situations. Only on a basic level and in the" at the coal face" setting. Purely to give my example Just thought I'd put my 2 cents worth in. Keep up the good fight mate Regards Jonathan
Would love to know what sort of embarrassing situations a plumber could get into regarding cultural issues? They either want their plumbing fixed or not! Its pandering to this sort of stuff thats got NZ to where it is today ??
@@NA-sj9jy it will be a minority of Maori. It's the gang connected and the political activists that will be seen as scum. Much like during the land wars many Maori are on the right side.
Ron you need to stay in Australia!! Join the VOICE Movement with Ozzy Labour Party, do not come back to New Zealand!! There is no partnership with maori in treaty!!
Woke culture is a breach of tikanga Maori. Identity politics is a breach of tikanga Maori. Abortion is a direct breach of the Treaty. Stripping away the rights of a biological women is a direct breach of the Treaty of Waitangi.
This coming election is our last chance to avoid a Zimbabwe disaster . As a tribal labor supporter since Walter Nash . I urge all to follow me. Swallow a dead rat and vote.ACT. thank you.
Totaly agree Shawn it is shite . It’s all throughout the caring profession and it is unbearable. You are Totaly correct staying when you want a lawyer you want them to know about the law not about culture the principles of the treaty I think are in partnership protection and participation . I would love the answer to your question of who is going to be the regulatory body well at a guess I would say M a. O. R I may be and don’t forget who our J u s t I c e minister is another radical m a o r i . Who want to take back this country by any means possible
If you don't name it, you can't fight it. Always be suspicious of Pakeha in authority "cherry picking" Maori 'tika,' and 'tikanga' to fit atheist marxist ideology. Kiwi's forget tikanga Maori is spiritual and has been in direct conflict with this world since the beginning of time and always will.
Amazing to hear very good chat thanks 😂🎉 cultural competence... can't we all agree on what a kiwi is maybe... Maybe a constitution could define that imagine what a mess drawing one of those up would be. The publics really annoyed by the confusion lately...
I wonder if their will be a robust discussion among the law profession. I think that many lawyers will be afraid to speak out as they will be branded as 'racist'. If they wanted true balance on this issue, then they would bring in a notable Maori academic like Dr Elizabeth Rata to argue the other side of the question. The activists who push this agenda never want to give a platform to anyone who disagrees with their agenda.
She's not Maori. She was married to a Maori and has retained his surname after divorce. Get your facts straight. She's white, with no Maori DNA what so ever.
Go Sean! Lawyers organise and manipulate the law to suit and benefit lawyers and 'the system'. The idea that they are doing what they do in the interest of the people and fairness, and who charge $400 PLUS per hour while their clients are barely earning enough to live on, is ridiculous!
His true answer is no principles exist therefore I do not know what they are. If you talk with iwi the principles change everyday to meet whatever it is they want that day.
When the treaty was signed back in 1840, maori were the majority with a population of over 100,000 and the population of Europeans was at 2,000 and at that time maori chose to share our country.The New Zealand of today is founded on the treaty of waiting, don't be scared pakeha!! HONOUR THE TREATY
I’d love to know the money tree behind this guy. How he got to where he is and how he’s ‘funded’ moving forward. He comes across as thick but I kinda doubt he is…my guess, he’s funded to get this installed
I always considered the law society to be merely a front to divert bad press. This guy is a lawyer. He must know what he is saying. This is clearly not an independent organisation.
The Treaty of Waitangi was a “partnership” between the Crown and Maori. No. Full sovereignty was ceded to Britain in 1840 as Britain, at the time the greatest empire in the history of the world, did not go in for “partnership” agreements with Stone Age chiefs who had been unable to bring peace and order to their own lands. Indeed, one of the instructions of Colonial Secretary, Lord Normanby, to Captain Hobson, was to walk away if full sovereignty could not be ceded as, without it, Britain would have no legal basis for bringing order and peace to the islands. No special concessions or “partnership” were mentioned in the Treaty for the simple reason that there was no partnership. This was clearly understood by all parties until the Maori radical movement got off the ground in the 1980s. Realising that by the words of the Treaty they could not get superior rights over other New Zealanders, they invented the “partnership” concept for that very purpose. For reasons of cowardice, treason or self-interest, others, politicians, judges, bureaucrats - have bought into this lie. It is also being taught in our schools in an effort to soften up the next generation for a whole new tranche of tribal demands.
No entity or business outside of the Govt has any damn obligation to the Treaty and this included Councils. It is this ideologist Govt. that has pushed all this through. And Maori ceded sovereignty as the Treaty was not legally ratified. (Source: The Law of Business and Govt.)
Rad 1cal l3ft tactics worldwide have been to; 1. infiltrate institutions beginning with universities then spreading to teachers training colleges, schools, journalism schools, the media, human resources departments, the rest of the company by only hiring woke people and firing anyone who is openly and defiantly conservative, the law profession.....the list goes on and becomes ever more frightening. 2. Carry out radical changes which are headed by 'independent panels' which are almost 100% stacked in their favor. 3. Present their findings to a clueless governing class that are unaware of how deep these institutions have been radicalized. 4. Brand any media outlet that challenges what they are doing of being 'right wing extremists'. This also goes for any member of the public that disagrees with the agenda openly. 5. Change the law of the land and hope that most people are unaware of the implications because they have been 'gas lit' by a fawning media. 6. Accuse the few people who openly oppose the changes of being racist. The deeper this infiltration of institutions becomes, more and more middle of the road people go along with it for their own self benefit and survival. This is exactly what happened in every country in which the c0mmun1sts seized power.
I have read the Treaty time and again, no mention of Principles. I expect that Mr Radical from a marae will leap to his feet and say that the English Treaty and the Maori version are not the same. Of course the Maori one is right. Be that as it may, PRINCIPLES are NOT mentioned. The Treaty is between Maori and The Crown, as signed by The Crowns Representatives and the Leaders of the many and varied Iwi (Tribes) The guts of which GARUANTEE all, equality and the rights and responsibilities of citizenship. In return, we all get the protection of that Crown. Such is my understanding. Principles indeed!! Such a loose term that can be used and misused at a speakers whim. Does NOT apply to The Treaty. Three articles are laid out in quite simple terms. THEY are the Treaty
Yes, I've read them also. Moreover the vast majority of chiefs at the 1860 Kohimarama Conference spoke approving of the Treaty as it was understood at the time - equality under British rule. Nothing whatsoever even hinting at partnership or co-governance, which are recent complete and utter lies.
Thank you so much for trying to get to the bottom of this crazy stuff Sean.
Well I suppose we should thought about it before we educated them most genuine Maori don't abide by these radical actavists time will erase them
This is exactly what happened in Africa and we’re heading down the same path so everyone better wake up NOW
so last one leaving nz turn out the lights then,be just like SA
Go work for pennie then stop running away
So we've got lawyers that can't lawer ,doctors that can't doctor ,teachers that can't teach, and last but not least, politicians that don't represent anyone but their own ideology. I know these professions have a tendency towards arrogance, but this professor takes the biscuit, coughing, and splutter at your questions as if you shouldn't be so dim . With this interview, I think we all know who is the dim one .
Omg this is sickening. Ron is dangerous.
Brain Washed alright,he has lost the plot on what it is to be a democratic NZer.
The fact that Paterson seemed so uncomfortable offering a full explanation and defense of these developments makes me wonder if he and others faced with similar situations are simply taking what they feel is the path of least resistance in the face of racial activism rather than exercising the independent thought and leadership that the public expect of them.
Yes , that would be my suspicion . Actually abnegating the responsibility to consider and reach an informed standpoint . And yet this is what should be expected of an experienced lawyer in a position of some influence .
Yes and they should bring together all their knowledge and power and fight on behalf of all NZ and put an end to these dangerous and divisive racial policies. We are suppose to be a democratic country of equal citizens... the legal minds of NZ have a duty to the people of our country to see our laws are not abused... this is total abuse by activists of the meaning of the treaty which called for us to be one nation of equal people and a democracy. The Maori tribal elite are the wealthiest people in NZ and their tribes are worth multi millions yet they see their own people sleeping in cars, going hungry and without medical care. All treaty settlements should be made to be accounted for so that all Maori benefit not just the fat cats on top.... they are all known by Maori themselves and they are not respected... the treaty gravy train affords them a great life style and a massive amount of wealth and until we draw a line under the treaty and move forward or tear it up completely these greedy grabbers will continue doing what they are doing..
Guy shouldn't have gone to "those" parties and snorted "those" lines... the impression that comes across. Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't but to be stuttering through a messy situation like that is certainly suspect. Treason's a slippery slope, just ask Hunter Biden about the laptop. Paterson comes across as having put himself over a barrel, between a rock and a hard place. Can't be fun to be so compromised. Kinda feel for the goon, feathered his nest with barbs and bullshit.
This is appalling. The majority of law was not written in the context of "The Treaty of Waitangi". To re-interpret laws within this 'new context' is in many ways changing or altering many laws e.g., property rights, to an application not as originally intended. Changing the law through re-interpretation is not within the capacity of lawyers; this is political activism. It is up to the elected Legislators to revise and/or change laws. None of these lawyers are elected and are largely unaccountable to the voters. They are literally acting as a law unto themselves.
The Crown have been reinterpreting laws for a thousand years and more.
The Treaty of Waitangi has been in effect since 1840, prior to many provinces even establishing proper relations ie the West Coast of te Waipounamu circa 1860.
The Crown 👑 have all the power naturally, or rather ultimately, so if the average New Zealander is upset, gang up on Maori and let them be the gun fodder for public ire.
Your comment is typical of those in the woke right trying to push a possible conspiracy theory to protect their perfect 'white' only judo-christian fantastical utopia.
@@jackiedouglas4483 I do not disagree that the Crown has been reinterpreting law for yonks... but in this case it is not the Crown, or even the Supreme Court, but rather a group of unelected (by the constituency) self-appointed activist lawyers i.e., making the situation more confused, more contradictory and therefore worse. They should wait and let legislators do their job before inserting themselves... as Sean points out, there is not yet a new regulator, rather this is being pushed before the cart by activists.
@@jackiedouglas4483 Hasn't been in effect since 1840, was nullified by the courts a couple decades later and only re-introduced into use in the 1960/70s
@Michael Schmidt thank you.
A small minority of loud activists have sought to influence Crown -Iwi relationships. Influence is one thing, but it is the Crown who legislate with their agent, the government of the day.
Brilliant Sean. A professor of law cannot explain a most basic thing.
It was amazing. You could hear Ron's silly giggling when Sean got right into the heart of it.
Sean don't understand that's y he's frustrated
Sean thinks he knows it all
Start with the result you wish to achieve, then create a discussion on whether the current mechanism is appropriate, then encourage a review of ‘qualified’ (note that one was a ‘notable’ Maori academic), drive a report that strongly recommends the required changes to achieve the result. The Supreme Court is not the Law Maker.. that’s Parliament. This is the tail wagging the dog.
Good comments.. with the current government in power the situation has become quite dangerous.. we need to vote them out as they will continue down this road there seems no stopping them!
Valerie, quite so. This government has to go.. my fear is replaced with what. I listened to the Plunket-Saymore discussion this morning and just didn’t feel the love. I see a major event post GE.. Luxon will be removed as PM leaving their coalition partner ACT in limbo pending a renegotiation of conditions. Three years of a Left leaning National party continuing to embrace the existing social reformation and ACT regardless of their stated centrist views along for the ride. Crisis will follow crisis. This is approaching a ‘big bang’ event for the nation.
Thank you Sean. You’ve brought up many valid questions. Ron needs to be more honest! No thanks to Ron Patterson.
People like Ron have a vested interest in this.. The more convoluted it is, the more he's needed as an 'independent' reviewer.. 🤔
This 'principles of the Treaty' thing will create more roles in corporates hand government the same way DEI & ESG regulations create fluff positions.. 🤔
Just remember, we were never asked.
well done Shaun, you were so sharp on this guys woolley thinking rubbish, one rule for all, all equal under the law. The principles of the treaty of Waitangi were not signed on by anyone, they are a derivative and not binding on anyone, and very dangerous thing
I do not want my lawyer to understand my culture, I just want him to understand the law, this guy is lost in a world of his own perceived cleverness
😮 This is journalism. Bravo and thank you
Twenty five years ago I started a social work degree in NZ. Tikanga was one of the models.
During this we were taught that it was perfectly acceptable for any Maori to object to being seen by a non Maori staff member and request anti be seen by a Maori staff member.
That’s tikanga.
Imagine a non Maori objecting to being served by a Maori 😮
Surely this goes against the treaty principle that we are all equal subjects under the crown.
exactly
Well pointed out... it is pure racism and if we tried to apply the same sentiments the sky would fall in!!!
where does it say we are equal. it says rhw queen governs european immigrants. and the chiefs govern Maori
May be because they wanted to speak in maori
@@tjhawe-cm1lg Most Maori couldn’t string two words together in Maori back then and the majority of Maori have no desire to be fluent today.
If they did , they could easily enroll on any of the tax payer funded te reo courses.
Awesome interview
What a load of bull manure
Just making up crap and terms as they go
Unbelievable
As a lawyer, I hope he would never advise some-one to sign something that has clauses that are not defined, yet he seems quite happy to head a group that is proposing just that.
The mind boggles
Exactly..... so dangerous and everyone needs to know about his like!
Wow.....they are wanting a point of reference that isn't clear or specific or written down to justify any court action that may take place at any time.
Colonisation was bad for Maoris.
In one bold stroke the Treaty of Waitangi freed all the chiefs’ slaves (about 10,000 of them). They were then free to take work on things like road building contracts, thus earning money and being able to spend it how they liked.
The Treaty brought an end to tribal warfare and cannibalism, thus giving individual Maoris a right to life that they had not had before. For a society that had not even invented the wheel or writing, colonisation brought all the advanced inventions, comforts and contemporary medicine of the Western world. In 1840 the average life expectancy of a Maori was less than 30 years. In 2012 it was 72.8 years for men and 76.5 years for women.
Racist white supremacist right there
It should be one law for all in this day and age. New Zealand is an amazing melting pot of many cultures and peoples. Isn't it high time to stop segregation at any level no matter what the rationale is claimed to be? Or perhaps, if we're gonna cling to the days that have gone by, why not just go back to the New Zealand Declaration of Independence signed in 1835, 5 years before the treaty? The treaty is supposed to be akin to a contract, but with any contract, all signatures need to be on all papers. This did not happen. There are tribes that signed one and not the other, some tribes that signed both and because of the food shortage, some didn't even do that. However, the declaration had it done from all parties and was far more fair and just than the treaty was initially.
These people arguing to stop Maori selling land to foreigners?
Thats the only non belligerent part the document.
To stop the fighting they had to have an agreement.
Are they still declaring terroristic ideology towards the current government and citizens?
Why would we care about this treaty unless someones planning a race based civil war?
We never hear about our signing up for the UN or ANZUS agreements which actually are current treaties being breached!
The UN mandates specifically say to stop fascism and....
Funding Ukraine is a direct breach and immediate removal from all UN meetings.
Check the documents.
You will find my family name right there on the dotted line!
But this gov has breached that treaty amd now is an invalid member along with anyone else help Ukraine
One law for all under the crown is effectively what the Treaty says in respect to Maori. Not co-governance which is a total lie.
The review committee seems to have been a bunch of woke individuals. "Tikanga is the first law." God help us! This committee is recommending co-governance! Interesting that the learned professor cannot define the "principles of the Treaty of Waitangi!" How can the rest of us have a clue!
@@NA-sj9jy ah no. What the Supreme Court actually said was that there was a significant difference between New Zealand and other countries that warranted not stopping the Peter Ellis case after he died. Very basically the concept of mana and mana continuing after a person dies is consistent with tikangi and with how the majority of New Zealanders think. This approach allowed them to quash Ellis' convictions in what was so obviously a complete travesty of justice.
The biggest negative response to this approach actually came from the Maori world. The view of many Maori was that what is and isn't tikangi shouldn't be decided by the Judiciary. There's probably a very fine line that needs to be drawn. New Zealand common law should not just be a direct copy of other similiar jurisdictions, and part of that will be a recognition of aspects of tikangi. At the end day that should be normative values that we as a society all agree on.
@@RobertSingers a flaw in your argument/discussion is that the rift that this government has created means that any chance of "we as a society" agreeing on, has left port.
Tikanga's origins included eating each other.
The Supreme Court is blinken mad, evil, and not to be taken seriously. As are these mad academics, white and brown. Parliament the same. The system has lost the plot totally.
Supreme court says Tikanga is the supreme law?
How many NZers know this?
Not in my books..
I guess you have learnt something new.
Tikanga means to be culturally appropriate, it's talking about culture not law....acting in a cultural manner. It doesn't mean it overrides our current laws, correct me if I'm wrong. Please.
@@andreatodd3095 - I have no idea what applying the law in a culturally appropriate way means. It suggests that we apply it differently depending on some person's (not sure whose) culture, which doesn't seem appropriate at all.
@@ChrisBNisbet maybe it means greeting the judge in maori, saying a prayer in maori before court procedures ??? Any way you look at it, it's making one racial preference in a legal system in a multicultural country.....that I have an issue with.
The treaty is a “cheaty” for a majority of New Zealanders
Yea which one that one use created
Its theft from immigrants of indigenous natives
That stuff got nothing to do with law. This is totally ridiculous.
Time for South Island independence is rapidly approaching.
Fuck yeah bring it on
So the argument for codifying the need for cultural competence in lawyers is a desire to replicate a medical system that has been forced into failure. I wish that was the weirdest thing I'd heard all week.
Ron is not fit to hold this position in the answers he gives. What about the new regulator upholds the law for all New Zealander's.
My thoughts are that we all should be equal under the law, regardless of race
There are principles of the Treaty.
No, the Treaty was a very simple document of only three Articles, none of which mentions “principles” or “partnership.” Since the Treaty gave equality for the first time to all the people of New Zealand, the grievance industry of the late twentieth century knew that they could not get special race based privileges from the Treaty itself and so, 150 years after the event, they invented for the first time the fictions of “principles” and “partnership” to give them what the Treaty does not.
Ron should resign from that position, how can someone so educated not see the damage he is imposing, or is he just corrupt?
Think of the avalanche of legal fees!
The Treaty of Waitangi appears to be owned by the Maori elite not the headed by the Crown.
Nah it's owned by all the Maori ppl the elites are jus servants of their ppl who tells them what to do
A great source of income for the "gravy train" fat who have milked the NZ tax payers of zillions of dollars over a large number of years... time to tear up the treaty and be the the one nation of equal people it called for! in 1840.. A true democratic country... Maori do not like democracy!
It's not headed by the Crown.
It's a contract between the Crown and Maori.
The people sit below the Crown.
Maori leadership sit side by side with the King 🤴.
who are the maori elite. Name one person.
@@djhemirukahemisphere8893ko tāua e hoa 😂😂🎉🎉 elite banter elite on the gat 😮💨👌🏾
Apartheid - the principles the treaty
hit it on the head , this shit is evil to the core
What principles?
3 simple, straightforward articles, that's it.
Are they trying to create division based on race. We are told retirement age maybe going up, but also that's unfair because Polynesian and Maori life expectancy is less. Does this mean jail sentences will be race based as well
Ron is getting ready for full blown Communism 😂
Face it, that Treaty is now read to suit a seperatist, Apartheid style, future. Burn the thing. Suddenly, the aim of the Treaty is supposed to keep Kiwis separated. It thus does harm, and it is most harmful to Part-Maori. These people are compelled to denounce generally 50% plus of their own whakapapa so they can qualify as beneficiaries.
Look into the Maori king movement and there racial beliefs. It was harboured on Maraes and is now funded by the taxpayer.
I love the treaty, is garantees us all equality under the law, it is the new "principles of the treaty of waitangi" which no one signed on for, that is the problem, burn that along with the degrees of those who thought of it
@@J.Smith-rc6wh agreed !!!
@@J.Smith-rc6wh If only those thinking they will get freebies because of all this separatism on account of some ancestor, would realize the tune is up. The Treaty was about unity and equality, not separatism and equity.
Yes and no. I think for the medium term it'll mean another heaping mountain of compliance bureaucracy to scale if anything is to be resolved in the courts. The woke agenda is geared towards growing and merging the corporate and state apparatus and stealing more agency away from public life.
AS a 77yr old I wish I had the money to relocate to Australia and get away from all these new BS ideas. good on you Sean for bringing things like this to attention
Mate it's the same here our socialist (read WEF) government is proposing an indigenous governing body called the voice, ultimately it would give a privileged small minority of indigenous people incredible powers over the majority of Australians. Our PM won't go into the details of 1, Their role and 2, how this will actually work. At best it's devisive and at worst it will ultimately remove legitimate ownership of property and land. Currently aborigines have 33 billion allocated to improve their lives, at the bottom of the rung it isn't but it's certainly improving the lives of those who administer the money.
Well you immigrants in my country been doing quite well living off the interest of the maori bank plungers and visitors ur governments got no constitution.
At 80 I can identify with you... family being in NZ since 1812...so I am a real European native of NZ... after 200 years where else I am native of??? Anyway, this Government needs to be got rid of and quick their WEF racist policies have divided us like never before ... then we can do what countries all around the world are doing against the WEF policies (transgender extremism etc.) we will PUSH BACK the nonsense! We can do it!
@@valeriehughes1008 i go back to antarctica b4 1100 n 1200
@@valeriehughes1008 use are immigrants its indigenous that are aboriginal natives of this country Europeans committed genocide and slavery no ur history
Time to think about leaving NZ...
Wait till the election at least first the wokes and apartheid promoting parties may get voted out
@@lifeliver9000 Yep true true. Hope so.
I,m off to Scotland, 96 per cent white people, think about that 96 per cent white people,no iwi ,no treaty,no moari tattooed bikers, .007 per cent are black people,mostly indian or Caribbean, so that,s only 3000 black people in a population of 5 and a half million ,also l can buy two bedroom house for 52,000 thousands pounds which is about 110,000 kiwi dollars ,tell were could you buy a house for that in New Zealand ,it,s also on the doorstep of Europe,two hours to Copenhagen,40 minutes to Paris, going to live my" Doc Martian" lifestyle ,lived in the UK from 91-95 so know what's what over there
@@robdykes3659I'd probably go Hungary or Italy
@@NA-sj9jy have cousins there that own two farms, one in Strathavan and one in Hamilton,have been to both on a number of occasion,s when l lived there in the 90,s, Scotland,s lock Lomond is just beautiful,match anything here in new Zealand,the costswold,s ,peak district ,had a house in Northampton shire ,so been there done it all
Sounds like a way of being able to pick and choose people that match your beliefs.
OMG that little laugh whenever he is asked a question. This guy is a snake.
For the first time I fully support Sean's constant interrupting and overtalking. "But why, Ron. WHY?"
Just when you think it couldnt get any worse than Kella , this doolally wonk comes along😂😂😂😂
Surely the actions and the clearly stated intentions of this renegade bunch of shysters must come VERY close to actual Treason ?
If enabled would place the regulation of Lawyers under a statutory quasi governmental body and under this Liebour Government would support this bullshit. And the good Law Professor was rather evasive. So where are these principals defined?
An example of why We are going down the gurgler.
Ron is dangerous men.
I think its time for the treaty to be dropped as its only creating issue now.
This doesn't help Maori or any NZ er as this feels like WEF shit to me.
Yip divide and conquer.
Civil war.
I really ENJOY this interview, RESPECT SEAN!! Questions were quality :) You got the truth from Ron, You speak the truth Sean, Having treaty principals in Lawyer is just rubbish and toxic!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! All certain maori ideology needs to go from our everyday life, you should have a choice to learn it or not, not solve down our throats, all media funded by government to preach this ideology will be abolished!! New government of National and ACT. We have a referendum on the treaty concepts by ACT Party, Democracy for 2024 :)
You want to check out what the MoE is cramming down teachers throats with the new NCEA. There is hardly a standard where a Maori world view is not the dominant overreaching theme. Think the government is overrun with radicals now .. just give it 10 years when the current round are out of university .. oh boy.
The Treaty of Waitangi lie is a marvellous con. Swallowed hook, line, sinker, and boat. If the lawyers charge like a wounded bull for all the beautiful work to come from it then good on them.
Ron Paterson stands to personally make far too luch lonely for him to admit a damned thing and back down from it
It is time to scrap the Treaty of Waitangi and remove it totally from the legislative framework.
When Ron Peterson relaxes he likes nothing more than having a light read , The Communist Manifesto springs to mind !
A very good interview
This guy is a professor of law? God help us - he and all his profession should put their heads together and end all this extreme nonsense they would do a great service to the country, instead of giggling about it.... time to tear up the treaty, put an end to the gravy train elite and reclaim our country as a democratic country with equal rights for all its citizens irrespective of skin colour!
This puppet should be lunch for the crocodiles in Katherine!
How about a referendum? Are they within the principles of the treaty?
we need a referendum on the principles of the treaty rubbish before any more law is made based on it, or any more consultants like Ron get paid to waffle bullshit like this then go on holiday
Only if written in Te Reo Chris... so EVERYONE can understand!!
Firstly the treaty was not a partnership it was a ceeding of sovereignty and then he can't even say what the principles of the treaty are so how can he act in alignment with them. Be he can't say what a woman is either.
Just another step towards Co Gov wake up Nz kick this lot out real quick Ma0ri takeover
We missed out decades ago we should have bought them to heel when we had the chance
Hi Sean love your work mate.
Just on the "cultural competence " topic.
I have a plumbing business in Rotorua and I do work for the Tuhoe . I am a European Nz er and I find in my daily duties having some of the above mentioned ( not much but enough to be dangerous) I find it is helpful as to avoid some occasional embarrassing situations.
Only on a basic level and in the" at the coal face" setting.
Purely to give my example
Just thought I'd put my 2 cents worth in.
Keep up the good fight mate
Regards Jonathan
Would love to know what sort of embarrassing situations a plumber could get into regarding cultural issues? They either want their plumbing fixed or not! Its pandering to this sort of stuff thats got NZ to where it is today ??
This is something that only goes in one direction and is making you subject to a power play
@@KiwiSkipper Exactly... They just probably want their plumbing fixed for nothing or the bill sent to the taxpayer!
So now we can't trust lawyers....
I will put them on the list of the people l no longer trust ....the page is getting full..
@@lindamckenzie6500 yes I agree 👍
Laughing 😂
The concerning part of all this power, is that maori will be blamed for this radicalism.
You never could
@@NA-sj9jy it will be a minority of Maori.
It's the gang connected and the political activists that will be seen as scum. Much like during the land wars many Maori are on the right side.
What’s next every Jury needs to have a Maori on it, and their single vote will account for 50%.
Ron you need to stay in Australia!! Join the VOICE Movement with Ozzy Labour Party, do not come back to New Zealand!! There is no partnership with maori in treaty!!
Woke culture is a breach of tikanga Maori. Identity politics is a breach of tikanga Maori. Abortion is a direct breach of the Treaty. Stripping away the rights of a biological women is a direct breach of the Treaty of Waitangi.
Incorrect.
Ask him what is a woman. I think it is important to check.
I was born and lived in a country with a codified cultural race framework. The outcome was not good!!
@@JohanThiart south Africa by chance? it turned to ship once the savages stole Rhodesia. Why would we want to follow suit.
Why is there a non elected Maori on every local council....????
This is not a principal of the treaty
This coming election is our last chance to avoid a Zimbabwe disaster . As a tribal labor supporter since Walter Nash . I urge all to follow me. Swallow a dead rat and vote.ACT. thank you.
Lawyer was awesome we all know now that tikanga SUPER seeds common law😂😂
That guy has been brainwashed
Totaly agree Shawn it is shite . It’s all throughout the caring profession and it is unbearable. You are Totaly correct staying when you want a lawyer you want them to know about the law not about culture the principles of the treaty I think are in partnership protection and participation . I would love the answer to your question of who is going to be the regulatory body well at a guess I would say M a. O. R I may be and don’t forget who our J u s t I c e minister is another radical m a o r i . Who want to take back this country by any means possible
If you don't name it, you can't fight it. Always be suspicious of Pakeha in authority "cherry picking" Maori 'tika,' and 'tikanga' to fit atheist marxist ideology. Kiwi's forget tikanga Maori is spiritual and has been in direct conflict with this world since the beginning of time and always will.
Need to follow Ugandas lead.
Cor blimey, this guy is "paid per word".
Amazing to hear very good chat thanks 😂🎉 cultural competence... can't we all agree on what a kiwi is maybe... Maybe a constitution could define that imagine what a mess drawing one of those up would be. The publics really annoyed by the confusion lately...
The PM can’t even define what a woman is
It's all in the he pua pua report
I wonder if their will be a robust discussion among the law profession. I think that many lawyers will be afraid to speak out as they will be branded as 'racist'.
If they wanted true balance on this issue, then they would bring in a notable Maori academic like Dr Elizabeth Rata to argue the other side of the question. The activists who push this agenda never want to give a platform to anyone who disagrees with their agenda.
She's not Maori. She was married to a Maori and has retained his surname after divorce. Get your facts straight. She's white, with no Maori DNA what so ever.
This report seems like a load of rubbish, this man has got a different view of law
What has the treaty got to do with the law
Good on you Sean. That guy's attitude typifies the past cultural productivity fog that has been stuffing up the country. Thank God/voters for Seymour.
@Pete Thecurious100
following acoupla racist blowbacks all they are, seems like you're the master of them😆
Go Sean! Lawyers organise and manipulate the law to suit and benefit lawyers and 'the system'. The idea that they are doing what they do in the interest of the people and fairness, and who charge $400 PLUS per hour while their clients are barely earning enough to live on, is ridiculous!
Absolutely nothing too do with the treaty of Waitangi
Sounds woke to me. Māori has nothing to do with law or anything to do with law. Stop this bollocks now.
A lot to do with breaking laws hence 40% of the prison population!
Dismantle the treaty now.
its time mari businesses paid tax
It's just fair
His true answer is no principles exist therefore I do not know what they are. If you talk with iwi the principles change everyday to meet whatever it is they want that day.
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Sounds very much like the Crown 👑 ...
What was the quote about the nearing of the collapse of the state being predictable due to the increasingly nutty laws it makes...
You can not add things to the whantangi treaty far out
CRAZINESS PURE AND SIMPLE, THAT WILL NOW SIT WHERE IT SHOULD, NOWHERE
When the treaty was signed back in 1840, maori were the majority with a population of over 100,000 and the population of Europeans was at 2,000 and at that time maori chose to share our country.The New Zealand of today is founded on the treaty of waiting, don't be scared pakeha!! HONOUR THE TREATY
Make AOTEAROA great again
And of course the double dipping Finlayson is involved. Thank you Lord Cooke of Thorndon and Palmer.
I’d love to know the money tree behind this guy. How he got to where he is and how he’s ‘funded’ moving forward. He comes across as thick but I kinda doubt he is…my guess, he’s funded to get this installed
Treaty of Waitangi is some real nonsense.
Its like the Minsk agreement.
Signed for a ceasefire.
Are they wanting to reengage in skirmishing?
I always considered the law society to be merely a front to divert bad press. This guy is a lawyer. He must know what he is saying. This is clearly not an independent organisation.
Ron is dangerous
A snake..
Why is Ron dangerous?
He hates hard working generational New Zealanders
The Treaty of Waitangi was a “partnership” between the Crown and Maori.
No. Full sovereignty was ceded to Britain in 1840 as Britain, at the time the greatest empire in the history of the world, did not go in for “partnership” agreements with Stone Age chiefs who had been unable to bring peace and order to their own lands. Indeed, one of the instructions of Colonial Secretary, Lord Normanby, to Captain Hobson, was to walk away if full sovereignty could not be ceded as, without it, Britain would have no legal basis for bringing order and peace to the islands. No special concessions or “partnership” were mentioned in the Treaty for the simple reason that there was no partnership.
This was clearly understood by all parties until the Maori radical movement got off the ground in the 1980s. Realising that by the words of the Treaty they could not get superior rights over other New Zealanders, they invented the “partnership” concept for that very purpose. For reasons of cowardice, treason or self-interest, others, politicians, judges, bureaucrats - have bought into this lie. It is also being taught in our schools in an effort to soften up the next generation for a whole new tranche of tribal demands.
More people will be leaving NZ..🙄
Great. When are you going?
@@chrismckellar9350 haha haha, I'm might just hang around just to piss you off..🤣 have a nice day , won't you. 👅
Yep 700,000 make it another 700,000.
@@bronwynsearle2117 - That is up to you but if you stay, you will have to put up with the woke lefties and Maoridom.
@Bronwyn Searle emojis. The language of the idiot.
Turns out Ron Paterson (a lawyer) is a bit of a snake .... "I'm not getting into it with you"
Why do these people always try and hide their true intentions and refuse to address questions directly.
No entity or business outside of the Govt has any damn obligation to the Treaty and this included Councils. It is this ideologist Govt. that has pushed all this through. And Maori ceded sovereignty as the Treaty was not legally ratified. (Source: The Law of Business and Govt.)
good on you he had no idea that is why he couldn't answer your question
My cuzn bcame a lawyer during their studies they studied the treaty for approximately 1hr
Rad 1cal l3ft tactics worldwide have been to;
1. infiltrate institutions beginning with universities then spreading to teachers training colleges, schools, journalism schools, the media, human resources departments, the rest of the company by only hiring woke people and firing anyone who is openly and defiantly conservative, the law profession.....the list goes on and becomes ever more frightening.
2. Carry out radical changes which are headed by 'independent panels' which are almost 100% stacked in their favor.
3. Present their findings to a clueless governing class that are unaware of how deep these institutions have been radicalized.
4. Brand any media outlet that challenges what they are doing of being 'right wing extremists'. This also goes for any member of the public that disagrees with the agenda openly.
5. Change the law of the land and hope that most people are unaware of the implications because they have been 'gas lit' by a fawning media.
6. Accuse the few people who openly oppose the changes of being racist.
The deeper this infiltration of institutions becomes, more and more middle of the road people go along with it for their own self benefit and survival. This is exactly what happened in every country in which the c0mmun1sts seized power.
With all the money the New Zealand government is paying Australians to come over and decide to make legal laws in the treaty
I have read the Treaty time and again, no mention of Principles. I expect that Mr Radical from a marae will leap to his feet and say that the English Treaty and the Maori version are not the same. Of course the Maori one is right. Be that as it may, PRINCIPLES are NOT mentioned. The Treaty is between Maori and The Crown, as signed by The Crowns Representatives and the Leaders of the many and varied Iwi (Tribes) The guts of which GARUANTEE all, equality and the rights and responsibilities of citizenship. In return, we all get the protection of that Crown. Such is my understanding.
Principles indeed!! Such a loose term that can be used and misused at a speakers whim. Does NOT apply to The Treaty. Three articles are laid out in quite simple terms. THEY are the Treaty
Yes, I've read them also. Moreover the vast majority of chiefs at the 1860 Kohimarama Conference spoke approving of the Treaty as it was understood at the time - equality under British rule. Nothing whatsoever even hinting at partnership or co-governance, which are recent complete and utter lies.
Shuddup sean faa