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Got my bed time video sorted. Thanks Empire-Builders. Love from the UK, keep up the great work. Can’t wait for more videos from you. Also I loved your series on the Akkadian Empire, got me reading about it. Thanks for videos.
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Voltaire wrote this quote at a time were the Empire was basically over. Judging Empires by their downfall is such a stupid idea. Ancient Rome wasn't just some unstable Warlord state in Italy, but thats how it fell.
Rome was ALWAYS unstable, this is the lie of empires. When the last king was kicked out of Rome there were the plebeian wars, the social wars, the servile wars. Sulla marched on Rome and Marcus took up arms against his fellow Roman. Julius crossed the Rubicon, dealt with Pompey in the east. His son Octavius, now named Augustus, fought off the former Caeserian Antony. Sicily rebelled, and was made tame again. Syria was subdued, and then not, and then was, and then not. Cisalpine gaul, the largest territorial gain since Rome took Carthage, broke off, and then not. The infamous battle of the Teutoburg was avenged and Germania finally put to heel under the yoke of ‘civilization’. Indeed they even built a permanent garrison along the Rhine in case any of the new citizens would like to join them from the, well, less subdued side of the river. Boudicca saw more Roman blood spill on Britannia than when it was once called Briton. Rome left two walls on that island, and drew it in their maps, but it unlike other provinces in years past ended on freedom rather than the fate other ‘amicus Romæ’, that is to say ‘friends of Rome’ had before. Aye, so when Odoacer threw out the last king from Rome, was it weaker than when it all began? Or was the illusion of unity the only thing that faded?
@@SkyeSage17It's called Roman Catholic Church because it's the universal church and it's based in Rome. Holy Roman Empire, or Sacred Roman Empire was called that because of how the Pope proclaimed emperors
" you roman" becoming an insult is hilarious considering " vandal" is considered a derogatory term for someone who destroys property 🤣 can tell which side won out culturally and which one was subsumed
I want to watch this right right now, but I am busy. So I am commenting and liking early to possibly help with the algo and coming back that is all this comment is for and I had nothing meaningful to say or add, so I typed out exactly what I was doing... oh and I am going to like this too.
Excellent video on an oft-neglected subject for English-speaking history-focused UA-camrs! Thanks for filling in many gaps in my knowledge about this period!
Although it might not have been holy Roman or an Empire the HRE helped put the building blocks in place for modern Germany and Italy and I believe after the fall of the western empire the Germanic and the Italic played a major role in shaping eachothers historical destiny
Italy as we understand it formed sometime during the early to mid Roman Republic when the consolidation efforts of the legions finally paid off: the Sicilians, the Romans, the Etruscans… would forever see themselves as one and new groups as alien. Vandals, Goths, Celts, Lombards, Normans, Greeks, Arabs- they would stay for centuries as ‘occupiers’ and never seen as natives. German identity predates the HRE by quite a bit. The mid to late era of the Roman Republic saw many Germanic tribes cross the Rhine, and yet they always remained distinct from the Celts and Gauls who inhabited the region now known as France.
@mueezadam8438 lmfao no. Italy as we understand it was formed during the mid 19th century when the consolidation efforts of King Victor Emmanuel II, Cavour, Girabaldi, and Mazzini finally paid off and even still the result was a nation divided by intense regional loyalties being influenced by the likes of Austria France etc. Everything you just wrote is complete and utter garbage. Italians still to this day remain divided by regional loyalties and the influences of a European North and a Mediterranean south remain strong as ever. fOreVer sEe nOo grOnPs aS aLiEn. Really now? What's the region of Italy called where Milan is located? 😂😂😂 is it... l-l-Lombardy? BUT AH THAWT YEW SAID THEY WOULD FOREVER SEE THEMSELVES AS ONE AND NEW GROOPS AS ALIEN Yeaaaaah, try telling that shit to Sicilians and Milanistas. Trying telling someone from Genoa or Turin he sees himself as part of a single national identity with Naples 😂😂😂
@mueezadam8438 Yeah, No! Lots of Arab & North African DNA in modern Sicilians and Southern Italians while Northern Italians are basically Germans and Celts. Stop believing in fairy tales.
I must disagree with your timeline saying that Germany was founded in 962. I personally prefer the date 911. But considering that Germany at that time was pretty much just the state of the Franks, Saxons, Swabians and Bavarians, I would start German history with the Carolingian Conquests of Saxony. Duke Widukind may have rebelled a few times but until 800, Charlemagne pretty much gained the upper hand in all of Germany. With the unification of every German tribe under the same kingdom that the “German” Kingdom would later split off from, I count Charles I as the first German monarch, even if he ruled what would later be called France, too
You would be right in line with German scholars in the medieval and early modern period. They were pretty keen on Charlemagne and always counted him among the German kings and emperors. idk about 911 though. Conrad I really brought nothing to the table aside from not being of the Carolingian family. Henry I is certainly a better candidate for being the first proper German king. But I wouldn't necessarily count his coronation as some founding date since by that time the split of the Carolingian empire wasn't set in stone. When he and Charles the Simple met on the Rhine river in 921 they would recognize each other as sovereigns in their respective kingdoms. Personally I like that date.
@@Siegbert85 yeah I mostly agree with you. But from a modern understanding of international and state law, regardless of how unfitting it may seem in the Middle Ages, the election of Conrad I is a major constitutive event for the German Kingdom. Or to compare his kingship to the “reign” of Emperor Napoleon II: Napoleon III certainly had less of a right to style himself “The Third” than I have the right to call Conrad a King of Germany.
@@deutschermichel5807 Not sure I get your point. The way I see it both the election of Conrad I and the designation of Henry I could be seen as merely a potential shift from the Carolingian dynasty to a new one within a persisting Frankish kingdom, same as the Carolingians took over from the Merovingians. Plus, Henry was actually a maternal descendant of Charlemagne which was very important for legitimacy. But tbf, the treaty of Bonn, which I mentioned, didn't explicitely say that both realms are henceforth not to be reunited. It's just something we can get from reading between the lines.
I don’t think you can count Charlemagne as a German monarch (nor a French one for that matter) because Charlemagne predates the crystallisation of those identities, hell he predates their first mention or formation. Saying that he was a German monarch is anachronistic and has more to so with modern nationalism than actual history. Even though you can say he is a sort of proto-monarch for both states
@@sebe2255 It is anachronistic, but far from modern. As I said earlier medieval scholars made a point of him being the first German to claim the Roman empire and every German king since would count him among them.
It seems that a lot of people keep clinging to the fantasies of "lazy" and "merrit" because they need to be able to look down on other people in order to convince themselves that anything they have and anything they can do isn't just possible because they were incredibly lucky for having been born with certain abilities.
The HRE was the European Union of its age, it was basically multicultural, though there usually was just one single culture on the local level. About six European nation states have their common origin in the HRE, yet all emperors were of German ethnicity, which was starting to develop out the undoubtedly common language among the Bavarians, Ripuarians, Swabians, Thuringians and others, despite occasional vicious antagonism, a sense of unity (in language only) was acknowledged, at last. But the German people are not of a single ethnic stock, only modern hermeticists have deluded part of the German language community as share kindred blood while some clearly German language speaking peoples/nations want to distance themselves way more than is actually justified, Luxembourg wants to be French so fucking bad, but it is just not happening, just as the discovery of linguistically sound evidence of Niedersächsisch on the German side and Nedersaksisch on the Dutch side, being two completely seperate languages, never existed, and there is no reason to assume it ever will as it had to be be self-contradicting to superficially have any merit at all.
To paraphrase a famous saying in linguistics: there is only dialects, they belong to thing called ‘language’ when politics gets involved. social phenomena live on a continuum, while politics requires categories. Why is Africa stated to be the most ethnically and linguistically diverse continent in the world? There was no Rome to drive out the Celts, to reduce the Germans. There was no Han to build walls. There was no Tsar to allot serfdom. I reckon America was once the same too before disease and war ravaged the majority and the leftovers mingled under one or the other’s name. So yes the HRE was multicultural, but that was in spite of its nature as an empire. I wonder how many cultures we’ve lost simply to the act of some bureaucrat ensuring conformity in a small region.
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Corrections/clarifications regarding the timeline:
-The royal foundations of Germany are up for debate, probably a better date would be 843 (Treaty of Verdun) or 911 (election of Conrad I, the first non-Carolingian king of East Francia/Germany)
-1198 was the year that Bohemia became a kingdom (the start of the Third Crusade was 1189)
Got my bed time video sorted. Thanks Empire-Builders. Love from the UK, keep up the great work. Can’t wait for more videos from you. Also I loved your series on the Akkadian Empire, got me reading about it. Thanks for videos.
Really glad to hear it. Would love to return to the Bronze Age at some point, maybe with the Assyrians.
A rainy day, I'm sick and in bed. 2 hours of empire-builders? PLEASE
your channel is criminally underrated.
Outstanding! Please upload more videos in this series! Many Thanks!
Only hoping for more. Every time it’s a magical adventure, love the reality, storytelling, music, carefully curated visuals, details… splendid work really
Thanks!
That is very kind. Thank you!
Voltaire wrote this quote at a time were the Empire was basically over. Judging Empires by their downfall is such a stupid idea. Ancient Rome wasn't just some unstable Warlord state in Italy, but thats how it fell.
Didnt fall they are the hre of the Catholic Church now.
Rome was ALWAYS unstable, this is the lie of empires. When the last king was kicked out of Rome there were the plebeian wars, the social wars, the servile wars. Sulla marched on Rome and Marcus took up arms against his fellow Roman. Julius crossed the Rubicon, dealt with Pompey in the east. His son Octavius, now named Augustus, fought off the former Caeserian Antony. Sicily rebelled, and was made tame again. Syria was subdued, and then not, and then was, and then not. Cisalpine gaul, the largest territorial gain since Rome took Carthage, broke off, and then not.
The infamous battle of the Teutoburg was avenged and Germania finally put to heel under the yoke of ‘civilization’. Indeed they even built a permanent garrison along the Rhine in case any of the new citizens would like to join them from the, well, less subdued side of the river.
Boudicca saw more Roman blood spill on Britannia than when it was once called Briton. Rome left two walls on that island, and drew it in their maps, but it unlike other provinces in years past ended on freedom rather than the fate other ‘amicus Romæ’, that is to say ‘friends of Rome’ had before.
Aye, so when Odoacer threw out the last king from Rome, was it weaker than when it all began? Or was the illusion of unity the only thing that faded?
@@SkyeSage17It's called Roman Catholic Church because it's the universal church and it's based in Rome.
Holy Roman Empire, or Sacred Roman Empire was called that because of how the Pope proclaimed emperors
Empires live by the sword……the Neanderthal hotheads……then….civilizations must endure the empires and rebuild the world when the empire implodes……
Voltaire was basically like Brian from Family guy of his time
Leaving a comment to boost the channel
Will you do a documentary on the Capetians?
Hands down, pound for pound, the BEST history channel on the Internet!!!!
" you roman" becoming an insult is hilarious considering " vandal" is considered a derogatory term for someone who destroys property 🤣 can tell which side won out culturally and which one was subsumed
Yeah, Rome is pretty lame.
This is absolutely fantastic looking forward to part 2 and hopefully more theres many you can talk about
Another banger.
Really, great work. Thank you!
Voltaire is overrated.
Was he ever rated highly?
Voltaire was a proto fascist and legendary hater of the amazing Leibniz, a man who saw the future in a positive light unlike his hateful ass.
I want to watch this right right now, but I am busy. So I am commenting and liking early to possibly help with the algo and coming back that is all this comment is for and I had nothing meaningful to say or add, so I typed out exactly what I was doing... oh and I am going to like this too.
This guy gets it
the effects and sound are very vivid
Would you consider ever doing a video about the Normans?
Definitely
@@Empire-Builders this is so huge, I love the Normans. Funny cos I’m primarily of french and English descent. God bless, love the videos
The Normans would be fantastic.
@@Empire-BuildersNormans are rhe reason why England stayed more Viking than even the Scandinavians
cant wait for more. truly peak content.
LOVE This
TWO HOURS
This is epic!
Thanks Dragon!
Truly an empire of its time.
Thank you
Another masterpiece
looking forward to part 2
Yayyyy! 2 hours 😊
I hope you will continue with the history of the HRE
Great video, Sir. 💯👍😉
Dude where do you get your images from?
Why did you have to include the sound effect at 15:45, I was playing eu4 and it made me so confused.
Thanks for making such interesting videos..
Excellent video on an oft-neglected subject for English-speaking history-focused UA-camrs!
Thanks for filling in many gaps in my knowledge about this period!
Is that the CK2 soundtrack? If so, great choice 💯💯
Why didn't you mention Empress Matilda Henry v wife
Although it might not have been holy Roman or an Empire the HRE helped put the building blocks in place for modern Germany and Italy and I believe after the fall of the western empire the Germanic and the Italic played a major role in shaping eachothers historical destiny
The HRE.. are now the holey roman Catholic Church.
They never lost.. just changed their names. 🫥
Italy as we understand it formed sometime during the early to mid Roman Republic when the consolidation efforts of the legions finally paid off: the Sicilians, the Romans, the Etruscans… would forever see themselves as one and new groups as alien. Vandals, Goths, Celts, Lombards, Normans, Greeks, Arabs- they would stay for centuries as ‘occupiers’ and never seen as natives.
German identity predates the HRE by quite a bit. The mid to late era of the Roman Republic saw many Germanic tribes cross the Rhine, and yet they always remained distinct from the Celts and Gauls who inhabited the region now known as France.
@mueezadam8438 lmfao no. Italy as we understand it was formed during the mid 19th century when the consolidation efforts of King Victor Emmanuel II, Cavour, Girabaldi, and Mazzini finally paid off and even still the result was a nation divided by intense regional loyalties being influenced by the likes of Austria France etc. Everything you just wrote is complete and utter garbage. Italians still to this day remain divided by regional loyalties and the influences of a European North and a Mediterranean south remain strong as ever. fOreVer sEe nOo grOnPs aS aLiEn.
Really now? What's the region of Italy called where Milan is located? 😂😂😂 is it... l-l-Lombardy? BUT AH THAWT YEW SAID THEY WOULD FOREVER SEE THEMSELVES AS ONE AND NEW GROOPS AS ALIEN
Yeaaaaah, try telling that shit to Sicilians and Milanistas. Trying telling someone from Genoa or Turin he sees himself as part of a single national identity with Naples 😂😂😂
@@mueezadam8438Good answer
@mueezadam8438 Yeah, No! Lots of Arab & North African DNA in modern Sicilians and Southern Italians while Northern Italians are basically Germans and Celts. Stop believing in fairy tales.
Just commenting to get this recommended to people.
You forgot to mention the OG, Ermunaz son of Segimeraz chieftain of the Herūski.
What’s important is that they kept the peace and Germany never ever waged war ever ever.
If your comment is meant sarcastically.. then i have to disappoint you but every nation in history did that 😅
I must disagree with your timeline saying that Germany was founded in 962.
I personally prefer the date 911. But considering that Germany at that time was pretty much just the state of the Franks, Saxons, Swabians and Bavarians, I would start German history with the Carolingian Conquests of Saxony. Duke Widukind may have rebelled a few times but until 800, Charlemagne pretty much gained the upper hand in all of Germany. With the unification of every German tribe under the same kingdom that the “German” Kingdom would later split off from, I count Charles I as the first German monarch, even if he ruled what would later be called France, too
You would be right in line with German scholars in the medieval and early modern period. They were pretty keen on Charlemagne and always counted him among the German kings and emperors.
idk about 911 though. Conrad I really brought nothing to the table aside from not being of the Carolingian family. Henry I is certainly a better candidate for being the first proper German king. But I wouldn't necessarily count his coronation as some founding date since by that time the split of the Carolingian empire wasn't set in stone.
When he and Charles the Simple met on the Rhine river in 921 they would recognize each other as sovereigns in their respective kingdoms. Personally I like that date.
@@Siegbert85 yeah I mostly agree with you. But from a modern understanding of international and state law, regardless of how unfitting it may seem in the Middle Ages, the election of Conrad I is a major constitutive event for the German Kingdom.
Or to compare his kingship to the “reign” of Emperor Napoleon II: Napoleon III certainly had less of a right to style himself “The Third” than I have the right to call Conrad a King of Germany.
@@deutschermichel5807 Not sure I get your point.
The way I see it both the election of Conrad I and the designation of Henry I could be seen as merely a potential shift from the Carolingian dynasty to a new one within a persisting Frankish kingdom, same as the Carolingians took over from the Merovingians.
Plus, Henry was actually a maternal descendant of Charlemagne which was very important for legitimacy.
But tbf, the treaty of Bonn, which I mentioned, didn't explicitely say that both realms are henceforth not to be reunited. It's just something we can get from reading between the lines.
I don’t think you can count Charlemagne as a German monarch (nor a French one for that matter) because Charlemagne predates the crystallisation of those identities, hell he predates their first mention or formation. Saying that he was a German monarch is anachronistic and has more to so with modern nationalism than actual history. Even though you can say he is a sort of proto-monarch for both states
@@sebe2255 It is anachronistic, but far from modern. As I said earlier medieval scholars made a point of him being the first German to claim the Roman empire and every German king since would count him among them.
It seems that a lot of people keep clinging to the fantasies of "lazy" and "merrit" because they need to be able to look down on other people in order to convince themselves that anything they have and anything they can do isn't just possible because they were incredibly lucky for having been born with certain abilities.
We don't stream and don't have TV, thanks for this!!! I've been doing alot of genealogy, and historical research. Very informative!!!
Why King Otto change their name? Little more truth,less drama.
*"Hur dur bu-but no holy cringe no empires rome more based ur hur ur dur"*
*Voltaire quote, after having dismantled the HRE in EU4*
Henry and the Super Friends
You used the phrase "begs the question" incorrectly.
This comment gives me the ick
@@colin3424 why?
@@joeldiemoz9027
Because he's gay.
Hre Prime Germany
Sacred Germany!
Restauriert das Heilige Römische Reich!
Charlemagne vive la france 🇫🇷
+SANCTE IMPERATOR HENRICE, ORA PRO NOBIS
HRE is best E
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most heretic Germanic Emperor
Nah eastern Rome was better
Okay pedo
Heh "Roman" what an irony. The only Romans that existed during that time were the Eastern Romans, not the descendants of Germanicc tribes...
The HRE was the European Union of its age, it was basically multicultural, though there usually was just one single culture on the local level. About six European nation states have their common origin in the HRE, yet all emperors were of German ethnicity, which was starting to develop out the undoubtedly common language among the Bavarians, Ripuarians, Swabians, Thuringians and others, despite occasional vicious antagonism, a sense of unity (in language only) was acknowledged, at last. But the German people are not of a single ethnic stock, only modern hermeticists have deluded part of the German language community as share kindred blood while some clearly German language speaking peoples/nations want to distance themselves way more than is actually justified, Luxembourg wants to be French so fucking bad, but it is just not happening, just as the discovery of linguistically sound evidence of Niedersächsisch on the German side and Nedersaksisch on the Dutch side, being two completely seperate languages, never existed, and there is no reason to assume it ever will as it had to be be self-contradicting to superficially have any merit at all.
To paraphrase a famous saying in linguistics: there is only dialects, they belong to thing called ‘language’ when politics gets involved.
social phenomena live on a continuum, while politics requires categories. Why is Africa stated to be the most ethnically and linguistically diverse continent in the world? There was no Rome to drive out the Celts, to reduce the Germans. There was no Han to build walls. There was no Tsar to allot serfdom.
I reckon America was once the same too before disease and war ravaged the majority and the leftovers mingled under one or the other’s name.
So yes the HRE was multicultural, but that was in spite of its nature as an empire. I wonder how many cultures we’ve lost simply to the act of some bureaucrat ensuring conformity in a small region.
Germany was a mistake.
Why
I live in Germany, its a pretty nice place to live
@@whyismyricewet1986he’s a polish
Rome *