And if you burn with lust get married 1 Cor 7:9 ha what else can you point out when you are hot and horny and looking for a wife who you find out a month into the marriage is more concerned with your bank account than being the receptacle for your lust.
@@thespanielinquisition7167, (Luke 14:26 If any man come to me and hate not his father, and mother and wife and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple). If a man's love for this world and the things of this world including a wife, is greater than his love for God, he is not his. Pray and ask God to change your heart and give you agape love for God and his kingdom. Blessings!
God used this message to help save my marriage. Seven years later our marriage and children are flourishing praise be to God. Marriage is still a constant dying to one’s self. Not something that our flesh enjoys.
I totally agree with you, Bro. John that the Bible teaches no divorce and remarriage while the spouse is still living! If we, as Christians, would be unified on that, how pleasant and peaceful and blessed our lives would be! And what a testimony to the unbelieving world!
many married couples are hypocrites, cheating and resent each other but remained married yet divorced in spirit and body. What a facade what white washed sepulchres .Only people in their ivory towers can be critical of divorced people who suffered immensely with much persecution and were served with divorce papers by the guilty spouse after being caught out for habitual infidelity. I fail to see a Christ who says "you made the bed, you sleep on it." If earthly parents wont want their child to suffer in a terrible marriage i dont think Our Heavenly Father will want any of His children to be abused emotionally by giving them a law as man does to suffer in a marriage . The pharisees added burdens upon people with their opinions and teachings, Jesus brought an easy yoke and a light burden! 1cor 15 says if the spouse wants to go, let them go, for the peace of the child of God! Well it seems some pastors are better than God and st Paul! Ivory Tower advice destroys, Jesus left His Home in Glory and gave us His advice from a cruel suffering Cross! Jesus knows! He knows our grief and suffering, He is well acquainted with it. He is more than able to redeem us from a toxic marriage! And by the way marriage is not eternal as blessed as it aught to be, its only for this earth!!!
@Sheldon Gray will you remain in a marriage if your husband beats you up daily??? Jesus does not say anything about that!!! Ivory tower advice doesnt help the suffering!
The Bible does NOT teach that. The Bible teaches that there ARE GROUNDS FOR A DIVORCE. Stop twisting the Bible the way you want it. Cheating and Abandonment ARE grounds for a DIVORCE. People who don't follow that end up with multiple STD's.
@@leonabanks5591 You have believed a false teaching! If you divorce and get into another sexual relationship, you are in adultery without question! There is no exemption clause! It is a lie from hell! Stop trying to make yourself feel better if you indeed are in adultery! Monogamy rules!
Stand firm in your position , brother! You are a strong beacon of light guiding many through a maze of false teaching. Jesus says many will try to enter but won't be able to
@@zsh.h.6693 Divorce is Not allowed in scripture. This teaching by Piper is correct. Do research if you REALLY want to know the TRUTH on this subject. All early church leaders from the Disciples on taught marriage was for life and a Holy, unbreakable Covenant before God. The reason this so called "exception clause" is only found in Matthew and NOT REPEATED OR CONFIRMED in Luke, Mark, Romans, or Corinthians is bc Matthew is written primarily to Jews who practiced the custom of betrothal (before marriage). That is what Piper points out here and is what JESUS Himself is saying to the Jewish crowd. That if you find out your Betrothed spouse has been unfaithful (Committed fornication) you can break the agreement and NOT go through with the marriage. Fornication is only between single people. Sexual immorality between married people is called ADULTERY which is why the word FORNICATION IS WRONGLY TRANSLATED TO ADULTERY in modern, watered down versions of scripture such as Nlt, Niv, Asv, etc. That is done Purposely to give people that want to divorce an out. It is FALSE. Read the Original Greek or the King James bible. Don't be fooled or misled. ONLY death breaks the marriage Covenant 1 Corinthians 7:39 Romans 7:1-3 Mark 10: 7-9 The Bible is CRYSTAL clear on this subject
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 so you say that Scripture insists that one should remain in a toxic abusive unfaithful marriage ???? Scripture as per many interpret is saying one must SUFFER in the marriage for the rest of ones life? please answer with a yes or no?
@@zsh.h.6693 Yes. That's what scripture says. Please read the verses I provided before for yourself and don't take my word for it. I welcome a conformation of the facts God states. One side note to your question though- while God states marriage is for life, anyone in an abusive, or unsafe situation can, and SHOULD leave and separate until or if it's ever safe to return. 1 Corinthians 7:15 clearly states this situation
@@MarkusGhambari You are incorrect. The Original King James says FORNICATION which is clearly referring to the Jewish betrothal period before marriage in the book of Matthew which is written PRIMARILY to JEWS! It's WRONGLY translated to adultery by modern watered down bibles like niv,nlt, etc to JUSTIFY people getting divorced. Look up church history-ALL early church leaders believed marriage was a Holy Covenant for life!! Educate yourself, you've been misled by modern contemporary FALSE TEACHERS/PASTORS that have caved to the culture of divorce in America led by Hollywood itself. Romans 7:1-3 1 Corinthians 7:39 ONLY DEATH BREAKS THE MARRIAGE COVENANT!!!!
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 oh shut the duck up. I've written a whole article on this debunking your nonsense from scriptures. I've done my own homework instead of blindly believing whatever an idiot says.
Pastor John is a amazing man by the grace of God. I agree with him 100%. I never heard it explained that way. My Marriage was not good. But as a Christian I don’t believe in divorce. My wife was a good wife. But cancer changed her and she became very bitter. She told me to leave her but by the GRACE of God I hung in there. Thank you Pastor Piper for your mini sermons
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s Does it say divorce in the case of abandonment is okay? It just says you are not bound. It doesn't say divorce and remarry as you please. There are different interpretations of what bound means but to read all of the Scriptures on divorce and remarriage, Pastor Piper's interpretation seems to bring it all together in the clearest way, other than the staying in a remarriage. Staying in an adulterous remarriage, although it may seem the easiest smoothest way, is still a sin. What if you left your marriage originally for an adulterous relationship? Does then marrying them make it okay? I think there are many Scriptures that are just very clear about divorce and remarriage not being allowed. It takes a stretch of the other Scriptures that are interpreted as exceptions to the rule to make them the rule. They are interpreted differently by many people. All in all, God's heart is for restoration and not divorce. Why stray away from God's heart and try to find exceptions? Has anyone followed these exceptions to further God's kingdom? Or do they do it out of selfishness? Scriptures don't give "exceptions" for physical abuse, but that seems like it would be a pretty big reason if there was one. 1 Corinthians clearly in the beginning gives separation as a solution to harmful situations, but not divorce. Why later in 1 Corinthians would it say abandonment is okay to divorce? It definitely doesn't say remarriage is okay in that case.
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s Shouldn't a Christian investigate all details and "semantics" before just jumping to conclusions that because you were "abandoned" by a unbelieving spouse that you can just divorce and remarry? You are arguing semantics as well by saying not bound means you can divorce and remarry. Is marriage such an institution that we just always try to find a way out? I have spoken with many people abandoned by their spouses that as they truly seek the Lord and his will they only feel more called to stand and wait, not look for a way out.
you go for it lady, tell the thousands of women who are being beaten to a pulp to not give in, its a loving God's will for them to be abused! Damn Religious nonsense
I don't agree with this 100%. Matthew 19:9 - "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." It's plain as day, people. The consequence for divorce stated here applies to those who divorce for any reason OTHER than adultery. I think some people attach their own emotions/situations to this and twist it around to fit what they want it to mean. HOWEVER, having gotten that out of the way, I do believe as Christians we are to practice forgiveness even in the case of an adulterous spouse. I don't believe that you commit sin if you divorce your spouse for adultery or even remarrying after that. Whats the point of allowing divorce if you can't remarry? If that were true, I'm sure the word "separation" would have been more appropriately used as opposed to "divorce." Divorce means to sever, the covenant is void and therefore no-one is bound to it any longer (in the case of infidelity). BUT again, even though God won't hold you to it, it doesn't mean He wouldn't prefer you had a more forgiving heart. Especially if your cheating spouse is devastated and ashamed and begging your forgiveness. God shows this is possible by the story of Hosea. Remember your own sins, and how would you take it if God divorced you for your unfaithfulness. This is my opinion and I think its true. Please do your own research and pray to God for guidance regarding your own personal situation.
@@philipbuckley759 With all respect, actually, no, you're incorrect. Fornication is consensual sex between two people who are not married (the lover is not her husband). So in this case both fornication and adultery is committed and both accurate. Also, you can't divorce someone who is only guilty of fornication, because the guilty involved are not married. I don't mind engaging in friendly discussion whether we agree or disagree. Being kind and gentle is not an option amongst Christians as we are all called to be so. God Bless you.
@@seeker4569 The Venn Diagram here would have the circle for Fornication completely encapsulating the circle for Adultery. i.e. Adultery is a subset of fornication. I have to agree with you that this is the most natural reading of the verse. It wouldn't make sense to make an exception for a wife that fornicates if it is not possible for a married person to engage in fornication. Also, John Piper's suggestion that fornication in this context means that 'past sexual sin shouldn't prevent marriage' doesn't fit with Matthew 1:19 -- Joseph was a righteous man and was going to divorce Mary quietly. They were already married according to the customs of their day, as the contract was already entered. If they weren't married, why would it be said that he was going to divorce her? Divorce doesn't exist outside of marriage. To me, 19:9 is explicit in saying there is an exception. Piper's interpretation arrives at the result there is NO exception. This is a contradiction of what is plainly written in the text and it seems difficult to see how a wise interpretation could yield such a contradiction. I'm happy to see more discussion on the topic; we are all seeking His truth.
@@bb_bb_bb1515 I take this view. Why did Paul not mention the clause in both his teachings. 1 Cor. And Romans 7. Such a serious Doctrine as this. Why do Mark and Luke not mention this Doctrine while mentioning Divorce and adultery?
One issue surrounding divorce that is often overlooked is the issue of accountability. No one is forced in today's society to marry a particular person so we should be very circumspect in choosing a partner for marriage. Yet, today, when a man or woman is dissatisfied with the choice they made, they rush into divorce. Where is the accountability for the original choice that they made? I have met several women, who against the counsel of their parents, chose a particular man for marriage whom they later regretted marrying.
@@philipbuckley759 I agree with you, Philip. There are many people who have broken up (I won't even call it divorce because it is not a biblically lawful marriage) with their 2nd or 3rd or 4th spouse for this very reason. God will bless obedience like this. If you think the adulterer before a divorce needs to stop, why would you not believe an adulterer after divorce would not need to stop?
He's wrong, the Greek word in the exceptions Matthew 19:9 and Matthew 5:32 can be prostitution, fornication, adultery, promiscuity, homosexuality, incest or bestiality. Old Bibles like the KJV translated it as fornication while modern Bibles like the ESV, NASB and others translate it as sexual immorality. When a spouse commits any of the sins mentioned above people can divorce and marry again, but let them try to save the marriage first talking the sinning spouse into repentance but if they don't want to repent then yeah divorce and marry if they want to.
Better get the marriage thing right!By means of adultery- will hell enlarge itself greatly.We live in a wicked and adulterous generation.The churches are full of deceived church members having their adulterous ears ticked by clever teachers while they comfortably are married to someone elses wife or husband! Serious business!Only death ends the marriage.Adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God.1Cor,6:9.Don't believe that?Hell just got bigger!
I was married 6 years to a continuous adultery wife. Prayers have defanetly gave me the peace to divorce this person. I do believe God will not let you live in turmoil for life.....
@Phillip Hickman Vincent Patton explains his suffering and the result of his praying for guidance. He is now a happy man. You should be happy for him as a christian not cast doubt into his mind . Pharisees just loved loading people with rules and regulation hence the pity of Jesus for them. He said my yoke is easy and burden light. He went around the streets making people happy whilst the pharisees condemned the sinners. Jesus as you know was hated by the phari boys because they made their own law from scripture to burden people and Jesus LIVED out the very same Scripture which made sinners turn to Him and SMILE! Christians make others happy and make sure the modern phari boys do not use his scripture to spread anxiety, doubt and fear. Patton did well to find happiness and praise God for it.
Thank God I'm single! I'm 39 and never married. I'm very lonely, but when I see married people they all seem miserable. It doesn't matter whether they are devout Christians or unbelievers.
My ex husband is still a pastor and was a pastor when we were married. He had several affairs and abandoned me and the kids. He was never remorseful and actually blamed me for his disgusting behavior. He was able to turn two of my children against me and was very skilled in alienating them from me. He actually divorced me after 22 years of marriage and after I had paid for his bachelors, masters and doctorate degree (from Absury seminary), gave birth to all of his children and moved all around the country for him. So I think I had biblical grounds for divorce. The thing is, no matter how hard you try to make a marriage work, you can’t make the other person do the right thing. You are only in control of yourself. Since he decided to break our marriage covenant, I am left with the pain, the shame, and the broken pieces to try and put back together. Basically my life has been a death sentence since my divorce. I hate being divorced and never planned on being divorced. But I am in this situation nonetheless. I look forward to the day when Jesus comes to take me home and He will wipe away my tears. But until then, I am condemned to a life of little hope and full of shame.
Yes, he broke the Covenant, the contract, you are free to live unmarried re-marryng. I know what you talk about, is terrible what some guys do to us. But even so you need to forgive him, but let him behind you, let go.
In the context of the scriptures, specifically within the Jewish tradition, the terms "putting away" and "divorce" often refer to two different concepts. Putting Away is commonly used to describe the act of separating or ceasing to cohabit with a spouse without legally dissolving the marriage. It can imply a physical separation or a temporary break, but the marital bond remains intact. In some cases, "putting away" can refer to a form of separation due to a variety of reasons, such as adultery, abandonment, or irreconcilable differences. The purpose of putting away is to allow for reflection, reconciliation, and potential restoration of the marital relationship. Divorce, on the other hand, refers to the legal dissolution of a marriage. It is the formal process of ending the marital contract and releasing both parties from their marital obligations and rights. Divorce permanently terminates the marriage relationship, allowing both individuals to remarry if they choose to do so. Divorce can be sought for various reasons, including adultery, abuse, desertion, or irreconcilable differences. It's important to note that translations that refer to the word fornication as being the exception of when a man is allowed to 'put away' his wife is infact correct. If there was fornication it is because the couple were betrothed to be married but not yet legally married. In Jewish custom and law, an engagement period was called the 'betrothal period' and it was the first part of the two part process of Jewish marriage, which creates the legal relationship without the mutual obligations. This is why it reminds us that we need to remain faithful until Christ's return as the believer saved and redeemed is also like the betrothed. Beware of idols lest we too fornicate during our salvation and Christ returns and 'put's us away' Pray and seek the wisdom of God on this matter and I hope this helps all those seeking clarification.
Not to be harsh but it seems you're playing the victim role.. Many people feel abortion is ok under certain circumstances such as unwanted timing or even worse such as rape. While I do understand some abortions may seem even the right thing to do in certain situations, I don't believe we should turn from the commandments of God for compelling reasons
I totally understand exactly what you mean I never wanted to divorce but with his sick twisted disrespectful behaviors (totally had no respect for marriage or family) I was left with once choice and that was to file for divorce. It's very cruel for someone to stay in a union with someone who doesn't respect or want the union (apparently mines didn't) and he definitely didn't say he didn't want the divorce he actually told me to go ahead a file for it. And not in a respectable way he cursed me the b word as he said it. And continue the very bad disrespectful behavior so yes I filed for it and I'm at peace about it.
I am going through a possible divorce as my spouse committed adultery. I believe wih all my heart i am not permitted to remarry based upon prayer and the Bible.
I feel for you. What I have learned, is if you were in a covenant marriage where neither one of you were married before, is that the only options are to reconcile or one spouse dies the other is free to marry again. I divorced on the same premise of unfaithfulness and am settled in my heart not to marry again. Then, God opened my eyes when I stumbled across these videos on the fact that there is no reason after marriage that there should be divorce. I read reread the scriptures over and over on the subject. I have concluded that I was in a non-covenant marriage for half my life almost because my husband had been married and divorced before he married me. So, needless to say, I don't really know where I stand. But, I believe that the single life is better for me and that I am more open to a real relationship with Jesus like never before. I have my calling and look forward to what lies ahead for me in God's will for my life. God bless you and praise the Lord, He is returning soon anyway!
Yes , and for your own happiness. God is a loving Father and knows you weakness. You would probably be overly suspicious of your new spouse due to previous betrayal and cause much hurt and pain to yourself again and to your new partner. god does not make rules for His fun and pleasure but for our safety and happiness, neither is He a God who takes pleasure in punishing us when we do mess up. laws in the new Testament are there to make sure his kids dont hurt themselves! We tell our kids dont go too close to the fire b cause of the pain they would have to endure if they did get burnt. Most suicides occur because o relationship problems. he knows what kind o relationship would work a little:) He wants us to be cautious in these matters so that we would be happy NOT that He can PUNISH. He is The Sovereign Ruler and Judge of ALL and EVERYTHING yet a LOVING FATHER. Trust Him always Powerful enough to wash us clean every moment,discipline us and protect us even from ourselves. He designed us he knows about those urges and procreating drives, he didnt intend for those feelings to place us in a situation of an abusive or miserable relationship for the rest of our lives on earth. It is better not to marry deal with the drive than to live in regret everyday. Live everyday with Jesus as the most important Person in your life and tell me if he does not make you happy with a good friend or change your ungodly spouse into a loving one. either way God is a Father to HIS CHILDREN not satans! He cares for His children holistically He proves His Loving Fatherhood to the children of the devil by the way He loves, forgives and nurtures his children without an iron rod that pastors present him to be. HE loves YOU and cares for you enough to bless you with a good loving friend and both will be happy. Divorce is hurtful and disastrous to many ,it scarrs for life at times, He knows all this, Cast ALL your Feelings and Trouble on Papa, He will show you what to do to have a little happiness in this wicked world before we reach our Mansion which He has waiting for us in Glory land! Be Blessed under His caring hand today, Amen
Thanks for standing for the truth in the word. Many Pastors including John MacArthur tickle ears desiring to be congregation relevant to keep more if the flock n of course the money coming in.
His theology is if it were adultery as committed in Old Testament, the penalty was death…. I think today Grace provides for continued life- so why not also extend that same grace we’ve been given and also choose to forgive and choose grace!
I completely 100% agree. ❤ Jesus said if you look at a person with lust, you've committed adultery. So if married people are honest, everyone is guilty of adultery in thought, at some point. Jesus taught me marriage is for life unless a spouse dies, then you're free to marry another, if in the Lord's will. Divorce and remarriage (while the spouse is still living) is sin.
Mathew 19:9 "I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on grounds of sexual immorality, and marries again, commits adultery." Separation may be possible in other cases, such as domestic violence or failure to provide, but only adultery permits re-marriage.
We too often stop there. God hates divorce. A person may divorce because of hardness of heart. To me that means unforgiving. I have forgiven him, I am willing to work through problems. He is on some other thought from very liberal Christians, something he was never before.
I have to disagree...love is long suffering. It endures ALL things. If your safety is at risk, seperate. Pray. Have faith. GOD TRANSFORMED my marriage. He can do that for anyone who humbly seeks his face.
@Drink Water if you so much as lust after someone that is adultery. Sinners sin. Thankfully that is where Gods grace comes in. He restores. He repairs. He can make a heart of stone a heart of flesh.
@Drink Water to say I was never married to my spouse is ridiculous. I kept my vowels. He did not. I chose to forgive. That is love. He is the only man I have ever slept with and loved. His sins do not negate my marriage. Nor does it make my two toddlers bastards. What it does reveal is that he fell into temptation and he was selfish. It does not mean God hates him. It does not mean God will not forgive. It does not mean God does not hear my prayers. Careful there is a fine line between creating boundaries with a spouse and creating bitterness or unforgiveness. *also Jesus was clear moses allowed divorce because of our HARD HEARTS. The unwillingness to forgive or trust. Not because we were not married.
@@abcisneros91 I was hoping someone would address that that was how Jesus regarded adultery and to be honest I’m having a hard time believing that if a man looks another woman she could divorce him.
I started to believe more and more true the years, especially when something amazing happened which proofed god must be real. I am away from my man for 6 years, he has many different girlfriends now, he cheated on me with many women during our marriage. People say I need to move on and get a (read new) man, I'm seeing these single women and mothers drinking alcohol, some doing drugs, party and trying to find another man, I just don't see them succeed. I'm so disgusted by some and the behavior that I really don't wanna be like that. I started reading the bible and realized my last marriage was the only one. I love him so much after so many years but he did terrible things I think he thinks he can never fix again or look me in the eye without enormous guilt. I don't know how to fix this, can only pray and hope for a miracle, it frustrates me to try to be a good person but pull the shorter cord or so it seems, sorry for complaining. I also know he is the person that's not happy and stable, but my son and I want our family back.
Wow. I pray to the Most High Lord God Almighty Elohim Yahweh whose goodness and faithfulness surpasses all understanding, Grant you the serenity to accept the things you can cannot change, courage to change the things you can, and wisdom to know the difference. I pray against those wicked Principalities that keep your husband in strongholds of sexual sin and guilt. I pray he also is granted the serenity to accept the things he cannot change, courage to change the things he can, and wisdom to know the difference. I pray the the wicked Principalities are rebuked by the blood of Christ and your son is protected by his love for as 1 John's 5:18 states, when you are in Christ, the wicked one touches you not. I pray for the removal of those wicked Principalities in your household and in your spirit. I pray the Comforter gives you victory over the wicked principalities and your husband is released from all strongholds and family curses, so that your family can walk in Christ. In the name of Jesus Christ amen. Read Ephesians 6 12 and pray for courage and strength to be the light in this darkness.
@@nicolekinzonzi1832 Hello Nicole, I'm so sorry I didn't see your message before, normally I always check and read and respond right away, somehow I didn't see this message, maybe I was in a hurry? No idea. But I'm so happy that you pray for me, thank you so much and God bless you. It's so kind that a stranger is praying for me and it feels heartwarming. I can not find Ephesians in the bible, maybe my bible isn't having everything in it, but will wright it down and read it when I can! Thank you again for your prayer, I started praying for him and have bad dreams about him (only can't remember what it was about) and when my son prays for him he dreams he can't move or another dream that his father is gigantic and we are in his hands and he killed us. It feels like he is demon-possessed after having those experiences (?) Will keep on praying, who knows what the future will bring for him and me and of course our child. God bless you.
@@nicolekinzonzi1832 sometimes it is tough to be a Christian, and do the right thing, according, to the Bible.....remember that the pleasure, of sin, is for a season.....
Dear Maci I know how you feel the only thing I can tell you to continue to pray for him the enemy always try his best to feed you with lies but deep down he is not happy the more you pray for him and making sure to ask God to help you to forgive him I know it's not easy but you can do it ask the Holy Spirit to convict you about past sins so you can repent them in the name of Jesus please do not give up tell him (God) you are in agreement with him according to 1 Corinthians 7:10 so you are waiting for your marriage restoration. So when you pray have the tendency to say (WE) not (I). Stay focused stay encouraged and be blessed with your family
But what dies Yeshua say on the matter... a persons salvatuon is far greater to save than an earthly marriage thats temporary🤔🤔 Health is at great risk, aids,. Herpes etc..
I think this shows whether or not Jesus is really enough in someone's life. If they are fighting for remarriage even though their spouse is alive, they are pretty much telling you Jesus is not enough for me. I need another spouse! That is the heart of the issue that people don't talk about.
1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. ... Ecclesiastes 4:9-12 ESV Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their toil. For if they fall, one will lift up his fellow. But woe to him who is alone when he falls and has not another to lift him up! Again, if two lie together, they keep warm, but how can one keep warm alone? And though a man might prevail against one who is alone, two will withstand him-a threefold cord is not quickly broken.
Christine When was the last time Jesus gave you a physical hug? How about when was the last time Jesus had a good long talk with you answering questions , posing queries and laughing with you? When was the last time that Jesus stood by your side and peeled potatoes? Maybe by now you have some idea that a spiritual relationship just does not have the same parameters as a good husband or wife does. Sorry , but to be honest with you ,Jesus is not enough in my life to go through life without friends or conversation.
@@bobloblawb2593 I hope when Jesus say 'depart from me, I never knew you', you respond by saying 'you were never enough for me anyway'. For the obedient ones, He is enough, He is Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, and don't forget Lord and Saviour, the Great I Am. Whatever we need Him to be.
@@keishahenry8200 I think you missed the point I was attempting to make. Spiritually , yes Jesus is enough but I challenge you to not have conversation with anyone and do not do things with anyone and see how happy your life becomes on the physical plane. For the obedient ones they will still be subject to the reality of living on this planet and will engage in conversation whilst you do not , and they will laugh and joke about, whilst you do not , and in the kitchen they will prepare food with each other while you in your spiritual state will have no need of help. Just a bit of sarcasm to get the point across. No one should be alone , regardless of how spiritual they think themselves to be.
Even the use of the expression "The exception clause" is utterly misleading, because it presupposes that The Bible/New Testament actually HAS such a clause. However, by reading the actual passage(s), an honest reader, if he or she is not "locked" in the common teaching of our days, will see that our Lord Yeshua does NOT say / tell / teach that divorcing is ok, but that this particular sin, in a spesific circumstance, causes / brings upon another person (the wife) a sin. The premise is that if the wife (already) has done that specific sin, it is not the man / husband that causes / brings upon / imposes it.
@@kenw772 Thank you ever so much for confirming this utterly important truth: All glory to our heavenly Father!! (I was not aware of the Erasmus-syndrome, - it's of gold's worth for me(!!)- but it did actually not surprise me. Could you please mention the excact language / wording?)
Good for John Piper, this is the appropriate and much needed interpretation of these verses. This needs to be taught by every pastor in the Church. Thank you for sharing it
I am very concerned about this. I am just now hearing this teaching. All the while I believed adultery was the exception. My first husband was a horrible adulterer, verbally and physically abusive. I divorced him. I have now been remarried for 19 years. My X remarried 3 times and not long ago divorced his 4th wife. I want to obey God’s word, but this is heart breaking. My current husband and I have 2 daughters together 15 and 18. I wasn’t saved in the first marriage nor was he. My X is still alive and contemplating marrying his 5th wife. Please pray for me and if you have any encouraging words please share. I don’t want to go to hell.
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this is where the emotion takes over....who would want to break up a relationship that you have...and have had, for a long time.....so your dilemma....is do you go with your emotions, or what the Bible says....if you could be convinced that the Bible calls your relationship was adultery, and that would affect your salvation, what course of action, would you take....it is your life and your judgement....so what course of action do you think you need to take.....
@@philipbuckley759 ok BUT my first husband and I weren’t believers at all, so was our covenant recognized by God? I didn’t give my life to the Lord until a year after my current marriage. Yo REAL TALK, why isn’t this message hammered in? I know a ton of pastors that are in their second and third marriages. This is devastating!
@@battleready5890 your spiritual condition, at marriage is not an issue....no one is required to remarry, on conversion, so all legitimate marriages, are considered valid, Biblically...and yes it is devastating, so you have to decide with your emotions, or a Biblical teachings....you may wish to address this issue, when there is a way to deal with it and not wait until judgement day....
God FORGIVES if you repent as king David did & God actually blessed him later with a child, Solomon … God is a merciful God. God is not a strict dictator 🌼
@@philipbuckley759 just for you in the version you people love....Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Fornication is sex before marriage, Jesus was referring to the betrothal period before marriage. You needed a divorce to terminate your betrothal, if you decided not to marry your espoused partner. Joseph and Mary are an example of that situation, but Joseph did not divorce Mary after an angel revealed it to him as to why she was pregnant. According to the Jewish laws he would have needed a certificate of divorce. God bless you John for taking a stand.
I was with my sons dad for 5 years he left me and then came back and married me and left me 2 days later for the same woman claiming he wanted to make this work but then turn around n leave me , I'm not saying I'm all innocent either but it took me some time to try dating but didn't end up with anyone. he walked out first and now wants a divorce a year later didnt bother to try working on the marriage I'm burly getting started with believing n all and now I'm so confused on this topic . I need more understanding on this matter I'm new to reading the bible and yesterday I had a feeling to open the book of Matthew and that what's the first thing I read.
There are no exception clauses for marriage. The exception clauses are for the jewish culture for those who were engaged or bethrothed. Second. Luke 16:18 is very clear NO DIVORCE; NO REMARRIAGE at all for any reason. Divorce is covenant breaking which is a sin unto death Roman 1:29 (KJV).
Many people would not rush to divorce a penitent unfaithful wife, or be willing to try. Having said that, a penitent unfaithful wife not typical. I personally know many examples where the cheater (especially when the cheater is the woman) is defensive, blameshifting, uncooperative, rebellious, etc. Repentance and remorse can take years and often some time later after separation or a divorce. So not only does the husband need to heal from the adultery, but he also has to heal from her hard-heartedness and mis-treatment in the face of it. I can promise you, after adultery that marriage is dead, dead, dead. Divorced or not, it's dead.
I particularly like the part when he said there are no good marriages in the old testament. Then went on to say they just gutted it out. What if its because they cant divorce that makes them all have bad marriages?
NOT UNDER BONDAGE....... Ricky B If the unbelieving depart..... let him depart. A brother or sister is not under the bondage of servitude [Greek word Douloo] because of the separation, but should intercede for the salvation of the departed one, praying for his/her salvation and for reconciliation. A Testimony from a Sister in Christ : Quote : But just to be clear, here is something I recently discovered: I finally looked up the Greek and compared what Paul said about a woman being bound to her husband as long as he lives (1 Corinthians 7:39), and how when the unbelieving spouse leaves, the other spouse is not 'bound' in such circumstances (1 Cor. 7:15). Did you know that 'bound' is two different Greek words in these verses? 1 Corinthians 7:39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. 'bound' is the Greek verb 'deo' deó: to tie, bind Original Word: δέω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: deó Phonetic Spelling: (deh'-o) Short Definition: I bind Definition: I bind, tie, fasten; I impel, compel; I declare to be prohibited and unlawful. NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin a prim. verb Definition to tie, bind NASB Translation bind (7), binding (1), binds (2), bound (23), imprisoned (4), prisoners (1), put...in chains (1), tied (4). Now, in 1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 'bound' is the Greek word 'douloo' 1402. douloó ► Strong's Concordance douloó: to enslave, bring under subjection Original Word: δουλόω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: douloó Phonetic Spelling: (doo-lo'-o) Short Definition: I enslave Definition: I enslave. HELPS Word-studies Cognate: 1402 doulóō - enslave (passive, "become enslaved"), focusing on the status of being a bond-slave. In contrast to the other verb-form of the same root (1398 /douleúō), 1402 (doulóō) stresses the results (effects) of enslavement. That is, what automatically goes with belonging to another. See 1401 (doulos). So there is a difference between the bond between a husband and wife (for life) and this being 'bound' or 'under bondage'. So I am still bound to my husband (married in God's eyes, no matter what man says), but not under bondage to him. He does not rule over me, but I am not free to marry someone else because he is still my husband. It is interesting that Paul says these two things in the same chapter First he says the believer is not 'bound' under the circumstance of their unbelieving spouse leaving them, and then he says that a wife is 'bound' to her husband as long as he is still living. It seems to contradict, but it doesn't. It's a different word.
@@christopherjordan6237 bound and bondage are not the same...one revers to the covenant and one to the individual....you dont need to write a book on this subject to differentiate the two.....
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I stand with God. That's why my pastors don't like me.
"I feel" "I think" "I know the bible says this, but I feel like" I agree with the BIBLE. Thank you brother for putting this video up. It will save souls. I am a millennial. And why does saying I am a black millennial matter? Because in my culture, there are ravenous wolf teachers leading SILLY people to think that divorce is not a sin. I cannot tell you, as a single unmarried dad who yearns for marriage but working on myself so I can serve her, I cannot tell you how upset and furious I become hearing these false teachers promote Adultery. It enfuriates me. John. Your position is not silly. It is sound. It is BIBLICAL. There is no other way to live. Divorce is a sin. I nearly married two divorced woman on separate occasions; before Christ called me. But now that i am called, I will not be yoked to an unbeliever. She must loves the Lord Jesus Christ with all of her heart and soul. We are given a command from on high, from our LORD, to marry well. Marry one who has a meek and quiet spirit, which is of great value to GOD
I’m guessing everyone on here agreeing that divorce is wrong under any circumstance have never had to endure the living nightmare of an unrepentant adulterous spouse.
I believe Pastor Piper is an exceptional Christian and a great bible teacher. He here gets an A+ for seeing how gracious God is and believing we (Christians) should extend forgiveness to a wayward spouse. We who have received mercy should also give it to those who have trespassed against us. Having said that I believe Pastor Piper would also maintain the biblical truth that God is Just and has the right to measure out justice. While love may compel God to forego justice, it does not make God forego justice. It is at His discretion. He has the right to act justly. Adultery could not have required the death penalty if it was not just. Therefore recourse for adultery is not something that can be dismissed because of grace. Pastor Piper fails to represent the twin facts that adultery warrants a recourse far worse than divorce. Retribution for adultery would be just. My point is simply to say that just recourse is not wrong and no Christian should be made to feel that they don't have that option. In most cases repentance of the guilty party is a deciding factor in making that decision.
I might add, in this video Pastor Piper suggest that the meaning of "porneia" (fornication) is premarital sex. But biblically fornication is a comprehensive term for illicit sex. It speaks of all sex except that shared between husband and wife. Although premarital sex is fornication, fornication does not mean premarital sex, see the distinction. Therefore in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9 fornication should be interpreted within context. The context is speaking about the consequence of marital divorce. Thus fornication would refer to marital infidelity. This is something that Pastor Piper himself acknowledges elsewhere. John Piper “I am ready to admit that now and then porneia is used in a sense which can include adultery.”
@@raymondparkerjr.7948 Grace to you Raymond I read Moses and Jesus congruently. Remarriage had been graciously allowed (Deut. 24:2) so there's not a prohibition for remarriage until Paul's restriction for believers married to believers (1 Cor. 7:11).
In the context of the scriptures, specifically within the Jewish tradition, the terms "putting away" and "divorce" often refer to two different concepts. Putting Away is commonly used to describe the act of separating or ceasing to cohabit with a spouse without legally dissolving the marriage. It can imply a physical separation or a temporary break, but the marital bond remains intact. In some cases, "putting away" can refer to a form of separation due to a variety of reasons, such as adultery, abandonment, or irreconcilable differences. The purpose of putting away is to allow for reflection, reconciliation, and potential restoration of the marital relationship. Divorce, on the other hand, refers to the legal dissolution of a marriage. It is the formal process of ending the marital contract and releasing both parties from their marital obligations and rights. Divorce permanently terminates the marriage relationship, allowing both individuals to remarry if they choose to do so. Divorce can be sought for various reasons, including adultery, abuse, desertion, or irreconcilable differences. It's important to note that translations that refer to the word fornication as being the exception of when a man is allowed to 'put away' his wife is infact correct. If there was fornication it is because the couple were betrothed to be married but not yet legally married. In Jewish custom and law, an engagement period was called the 'betrothal period' and it was the first part of the two part process of Jewish marriage, which creates the legal relationship without the mutual obligations. This is why it reminds us that we need to remain faithful until Christ's return as the believer saved and redeemed is also like the betrothed. Beware of idols lest we too fornicate during our salvation and Christ returns and 'put's us away' Pray and seek the wisdom of God on this matter and I hope this helps all those seeking clarification.
I think he's incorrect on many different levels. Though many will agree with him because of his popularity and reputation. He's a devout Calvinist which I disagree with but I won't go into here. He says there was no example of divorce in the Old Testament. Even though he focuses on the patriarchs, there certainly was divorce among God's people in the Old Testament. In the Law of Moses, it permitted divorce for a variety of fundamental violations fo the marriage covenant. There is no question that the Old Testament allows for divorce. In the book of Ezra we have mass divorces, as Ezra commanded the Jewish men and priests to divorce their pagan wives and children. In Ezra chapter 10. there is a huge list of men who are requested to divorce their wives. Not all complied, but most did. Deut. 24:1-4 where divorce occurred (not because of adultery), it was assumed that they would remarry again. And Moses says it's a sin to remarry your first spouse once you've been divorced and remarried and then divorced again. Yet many churches preach that you must go back to your first wife. It certainly sounds like Piper would support that unscriptural view. In the Old Testament, remarriage after divorce was legally permitted for women who had a legal certificate of divorce. And certainly marriages could be dissolved. This goes against the teaching of some who say that a marriage cannot be dissolved. Deut. 22:13-19 gives two other cases that assume the right to divorce. One involves a man who falsely accuses a girl of having not been a virgin at the time of their marriage to him. If his charge is false, he owes a 100 shekels to the father as a penalty but then he forfeits all right to divorce. Plus a man could not divorce his wife if he rape her and she was given to the offender. He was not allowed to divorce. Obviously, this teaches that there were several different reasons one could divorce, but not in these two circumstances. In Ex. 21:10-11 we read of a slave-wife. If the husband is unwilling to take care of her, i. e. and reduces his support for her, "she is free to go, without payment of money." This expression is commonly used for divorce. This law doesn't condone the man's abandoning of his marital duties, but Biblical laws are not utopian. In the real world, people often refuse to do the right thing. In Deut. 21:10-14, also commands divorce. If a Jewish man make a newly captive foreign woman his wife and he is not pleased with her, he must "let her go wherever she wishes." Again, this is a phrase commonly used for divorce. In many of these cases, divorce was allowed to protect the woman from an abusive husband. I could go on and on, but obviously Piper's point about no divorce in the Old Testament is totally inaccurate, but those with little Bible knowledge will esteem his answer as almost god-like and how could he err since he's so popular? Even the well abused passage found in Mal. 2:10-16 is abused by such teachers. We read where God "hates divorce." But this rendering is an impossible translation of the MT, one that can only be retained on the basis of conjectural emendation without any manuscript support. Perhaps the best rendering is, "When he hates so to divorce..." If you read the context what God hates is divorcing the woman of one's youth who has stood by her husband all these years and then marries a daughter of a foreign god. If we read the prohibitions for Levitical priests, they are not allowed to marry prostitutes, divorced women, or even widows. Why these special prohibitions if divorced women weren't allowed to remarry? Plus, prostitutes, divorced women and widows are put into the same mix, so this is not a judgment against these women. This is getting quite lengthy so I will quick with the Old Testament references. But I just wanted scripture to back up my points. Either Piper has ignored these Scriptures or he just doesn't know about them. Also there is a big misunderstanding of the "one-flesh" principle. Many think it's the sexual relationship that establishes a marriage. However, in Ex. 22, there is the case of a man who seduces a virgin, but the marriage only takes place if the father of the woman consents to it. Otherwise the man pays a bride price as a fine, but no marriage takes place. Marriage is defined as a covenant, not a sexual relationship. Can there be an unlawful divorce? Of course! However unlawful, a divorce is still a divorce. It still breaks covenant.
many married couples are hypocrites, cheating and resent each other but remained married yet divorced in spirit and body. What a facade what white washed sepulchres .Only people in their ivory towers can be critical of divorced people who suffered immensely with much persecution and were served with divorce papers by the guilty spouse after being caught out for habitual infidelity. I fail to see a Christ who says "you made the bed, you sleep on it." If earthly parents wont want their child to suffer in a terrible marriage i dont think Our Heavenly Father will want any of His children to be abused emotionally by giving them a law as man does to suffer in a marriage . The pharisees added burdens upon people with their opinions and teachings, Jesus brought an easy yoke and a light burden! 1cor 15 says if the spouse wants to go, let them go, for the peace of the child of God! Well it seems some pastors are better than God and st Paul! Ivory Tower advice destroys, Jesus left His Home in Glory and gave us His advice from a cruel suffering Cross! Jesus knows! He knows our grief and suffering, He is well acquainted with it. He is more than able to redeem us from a toxic marriage! And by the way marriage is not eternal as blessed as it aught to be, its only for this earth!!!
So a person is supposed to take somebody back into their bed who's potentially carrying a disease now? Especially a life threatening one? A person is supposed to stay married to somebody that can no longer trust? This guy has no clue what adultery does to a person.
It's not narrow at all but biblical that God hates divorce and makes the marriage one flesh until death. We are to forgive! 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 says "A husband is not to divorce his wife".
My husband is an unrepentant adulterer who got his girlfriend pregnant and left me along half way around the world with our toddler. I still offered reconciliation and he rejected it. Am I really bound to this man who rejects me and destroyed my life forever? Is that what God had for me? That I’m bound to this man who probably doesn’t believe in God the way he told me he did all our years of marriage? Am I doomed to never know the love of a true, God-fearing man and to wake up each morning torturing myself with what I’ve lost?
youreconfused a woman CANNOT divorce her husband. “And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.” 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 KJV bible.com/1/1co.7.10-11.kjv. She has 2 choices: leave and remain single or be reconciled to her husband. She is bound as long as her husband lives “The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 7:39 KJV bible.com/1/1co.7.39.kjv
youreconfused yes but a WOMAN cannot divorce her husband AND REMARRY. Read the scriptures I posted. This is a serious issue in the Christian Church. Thanks and God bless
youreconfused in 1 Corinthians Paul is giving his opinion in 7:27. He is not giving a commandment . “Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.” 1 Corinthians 7:25-28 KJV bible.com/1/1co.7.25-28.kjv
Constance - in matt 5:32 jesus is never giving us rights to divorce. Think about, can a married woman commit fornication? When jesus says only for fornication, he is talking about cases where someone is betrothed to a man, and she is found to be in fornication, then can the husband put her away. As in the case of Joseph and Mary. Matt1:18-19. Anna the prophetess lived with her husband for 7 years while she was a virgin. If she was found to be unfaithful during that betrothal he could put her away. That's why Paul told men, if they couldn't control themselves around their virgin that they were to get married. The only time a woman is freed from her husband is when he is dead. And that is the Bible truth. Pray and may the Lord give you wisdom in this. We don't accept Christ, and then all of a sudden freed from the wrong choices we made back then. Did you have bills before Jesus, do you stop paying them because you know Christ now?
stand on your belief....and carry it through....and request people, in this to separate.....there is nothing wrong, with following the teaching, of Scripture....
@@nealdoster8556 really.....allowing one to live in adultery is Biblical.....how about same sex marriage or just living together......you, somehow invalidate a valid covenant, and change an act of adultery, into a valid covenant....how does this happen...
@@philipbuckley759 Actually Philip it is you who is changing God's Word. If you followed biblical precedents you would see that those who remarried after divorce were actually married to another as Jesus said. Believe God's Word in context and the way it is stated. You're actually interpreting Jesus by thinking He meant the opposite of what He said.
@@philipbuckley759 Grace to you Philip When Jesus spoke to the subject of divorce He was directly speaking to His covenant people Israel. He revealed to them that divorce caused them to commit adultery when they remarry. It was a multi-factor conclusion based in their history and anyone who abbreviates His teaching by saying “remarriage is adultery” (an equation) totally misconstrues Jesus’ point. In context Jesus gave a retrospective observation of what ensued by Israel insisting on the right to put away their wives (Matthew 19:8). He focused on what accommodating their hard hearts ultimately caused by prematurely ending marriage. The point Jesus was making to those who ask Him about divorce for every cause (Matt. 19:3) was to help them understand that divorce is NOT inconsequential. While there might be other relevant factors that matter when considering a given text we can simplify Jesus' teaching by understanding that He revealed the byproduct of divorce for both parties who remarry. They both transgress an exclusive obligation established by the first marriage and that transgression involves who they remarry. The simple point Jesus made about conceding divorce centered in the fact that God created marriage with certain obligations and those obligations are inadvertently transgressed by ending one marriage and constituting another. Because remarriage was graciously allowed Jesus “cut to the chase” about what they caused (for both parties) by not sustaining their marriage. Jesus staged His counter argument about divorce over against the fact that marriage was created for life in the origin / beginning (Matt. 19:8b). Thereby revealing the reason for the paradox caused by allowing marriage to end before death. By conceding divorce to men who fail to love their wives, intrinsic obligations in marriage are subsequently transgressed. One of the main obligations of marriage is to be sexually exclusive to each the other for life. By conceding divorce the second marriage which was allowed under the law inadvertently violates that exclusivity. Thus the adultery Jesus described and the defilement Moses revealed in verse 4 of Deuteronomy 24. The counter point Jesus made to the Pharisees chastised them for not sustaining their marriage by revealing it’s termination is the first and foremost cause for this way of committing adultery. This is the paradox of accommodating hard hearts. Any view that does not understand the paradox will NOT properly explain why this manner of adultery transpires. For instance other views are trying to explain the adultery as if the first marriage “survived divorce”. Conversely Jesus is directly revealing the byproduct of a marriage that does NOT survive. Both CANNOT be true. Any view that theorizes that the adultery occurs because the first marriage survives causes more confusion for this issue. Unfortunately those views trend towards legalism to fix the situation. That’s what’s wrong with theories like “indissoluble marriage”, “indivisible one-flesh union”, or “the marriage covenant can’t be broken before death”. All of these theories are actually changing Jesus’ contextual argument about why this adultery occurs. They are making the marriage union unbreakable, Jesus on the other hand revealed the consequence of the marriage union being prematurely broken. Worse they are informing their adherents about “what God expects” by making them think they are “still married” to their former spouse. Inversive teaching has been a major source of the confusion for the Church on this issue. Ironically it is postulated by men who can be admired for defending marriage itself. When the chronological facts are properly established in regard to Jesus teaching on this issue we see the concurrency of what He revealed with that which followed the Old Testament divorce concession. Thus the simultaneous reality that God allowed remarriage even though it inadvertently violated an exclusive obligation established by the former. The fact that adultery inadvertently ensued because of divorce is part and parcel of understanding Old Testament history. We MUST realize that remarriage was graciously allowed under the law despite what divorce staged for it. Blessings
Romans 7:1-3 1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 1 Corinthians 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
There is a tendency in each of us to play God, to want to be God. I see a lot of folks in the comment section wanting to play God. Simpletons that are not owning up to their responsibilities. This is so very common. Satan's breeding ground for the self righteousness want of hiding from the flames of hell. With a gospel of grace and not a gospel of works to go hand in hand with God's law, not one title shall be overlooked on the final judgement day. Believe that.
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My ex wife filed for divorce against me, and I granted it because she had a child by someone else. I'm now remarried. Does this mean I'm committing adultery?
@@tonydavisbusiness simply spoken, yes.....Matthew 5.....32, even though it refers to a woman, it seems to be the same, for a man....New International Version But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
@@philipbuckley759 But wouldnt one perhaps assume that the wife cheated and had the child while they were married (sexual immorality), thus at first glance the man followed Matt 19:9? How can he be in adultery then? Though of course we dont know whether the child occurred before their marriage but if not then the above would apply. The other thing of course is whether there was counselling and prayer etc and God's permission to remarry even if it was sexual immorality that occurred within the marriage in terms of infidelity. In, that, God does not automatically permit a divorce because His original desire is for no-one to divorce.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE PIPER'S ANSWER FOR THIS! THANKS....I know of a very difficult situation where a pastor went "crazy".....threatened some of the lives of people in his church and others. The wife finally left for her safety and that of the kids after so much trauma and him landing in jail and in the mental hospital several times. He wouldn't take his medication or get the counseling help he really needed. She had to get a "protection order" for herself and the kids. but the state she was in would only allow "separation" for 2 years and then she would have to get a divorce. She had no money, and the coalition that paid for this would only pay once...so she felt forced to get a divorce. SO MY QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU DO IF THE STATE FORCES YOU TO GET A DIVORCE? It's not right, but what if you really have no choice?
I have always struggled with this. My husband is quite literal; he is adamant that divorce is not acceptable, unless it's for adultery, and that remarriage is out of the question. I think that it's a horrible standard to enforce on people, especially those whose marriages ended in their twenties or thirties. Their spouse may have abused them, fallen out of love with them or something else, and now that person is no longer 'allowed' to have another chance at the intimacy and companionship that comes with marriage. I think that's awful.
Remarriage - An Adulterous Lifestyle 💔 Much as divorce is sinful, remarriage following divorce is yet more sinful. It is a step 🚶♀️ further against the moral laws of God. The Scriptures consistently describe remarriage while a person's partner lives as adultery. Consider the following verses: "And he saith unto them Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery" (Mark 10:11, 12). "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and Whosoever marrieth her who is put away doth commit adultery" (Mathew 19:9). "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and Whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery" ( Luke 16:18). "So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man" (Romans 7:3). These Scriptures consistently describe remarriage as adultery. The Greek verb tense translated "committeth adultery" shows present continuous action, suggesting not simply an act of adultery, but a practice of adultery. The verse in Romans likewise shows that while a person's partner lives, remarriage is not a valid marriage👎, but an adulterous condition. There is an act of adultery- the sin of sexual union while married to another. There is also the condition of adultery - the sin of a marriage relationship with another while one's true 💑 marriage partner is living. With such clear Scriptures, why would professing Christians ✝️ 🤔 attempt to justify divorce and remarriage? One lady who herself married a divorced man and later denounced her situation as an adulterous union described her downfall. REASONING is one of satan's 😈 most effective weapons. How easy 😏 to reason away obedience to the Word of God. The eternal purpose ✨ 💛 of this life is not so much that we should be happy but that we should be holy. Yet there can be no true happiness apart from righteous living... "I fasted and prayed 🙏 a great deal, seeking God for an answer directly from Himself. But, although I sought a word from Him, no word was given. Nothing. Complete 🔕 silence. Only later did it come home to me that it is vanity seek a rhema (utterance) from God when He has already so clearly spoken in the written Word. Yes, a word may come which contradicts what He has said in the Scriptures; but that word 🤔 comes from the wrong source 😈. It is impossible to remarry with integrity while one's partner is still living. The treacherous spirit which leads to divorce is the same spirit which leads one to remarry. It is a betrayal 😔. In marriage , 💑 one can give his commitment to his partner, but in remarriage one can give only his treachery and 💔 broken trust. - Christian Family Living, pgs 173-175, John Coblentz.
Well, you take the homosexuality part pretty literal.. so I guess, it comes and goes? You can't take things that you agree with literal and question the things you disagree with. Thats cherry picking and its pure hypocrisy. You stick to it or don't, there is no middle ground. So even if a wife gets abused by her husband, she can't divorce, because it is adultery.
Yes it is hard living that life. I am living it. Unfortunately the other party did not want to participate and I don't know where they are or anything. But I know what the bible says and I will not remarry unless my ex passes away before me. It's a hard road, but narrow is the way. I'm not throwing away my salvation or walk with God for anything! But yes, it is very very hard. I'm only surviving because of the power of Jesus!
Yes, you can remarry if your spouse has died, a conversation u must have with God first before u do that, remember you are no longer your own.😊 Everyone else must remain single if they have divorced and their spouse is still alive. You break the laws of the spirit and cause other people to sin, God will hold you accountable!
That is actually a great reply! That's how the disciples replied! But, you shall not fornicate either remember that. Sexual activity is for those who are committed in marriage.
Gotta disagree with him on this one. porneia means fornication or idolatry(sexual). Fornication is defined as: 1. voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other. 2. (Bible.) idolatry. 3. voluntary sexual intercourse outside [of a] marriage. 4. (law) voluntary sexual intercourse between two persons of the opposite sex, where one is or both are unmarried. 5. (Bible) sexual immorality in general, esp adultery. Fornication is not defined as just two young people who haven't been married yet having sexual relations. My dad was unrepentantly gay (he lied to her and everyone, even himself, and was repentant at first begging God to change him, but then quit resisting and started cheating a few years into the marriage). He also got abusive, stealing Mom's identity to wrack up debt, and also taking out life insurance on her which made her scared for her life. When my mom found out about his affairs, the divorce proceedings started. He later "married" a man. My mom, though she dated for a while, lost all desire for a husband and stayed single. I think the command is plainly stated: "But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." Divorce is fully within their rights. But my mom went forward with it super carefully, not wanting to do something that contravened God's law; she sought much counsel with godly men in ministry, and they assured her the scriptures upheld her right for divorce. She did not divorce him happily, as if with a cold and hardened heart; she was brokenhearted over the divorce and greatly wounded over it till the day she died. "Don't commit adultery" is a pretty hard word as well; don't do it, otherwise the spouse is within his or her rights. "Apostasy" is also considered the spiritual form of fornication or adultery.
Risa Fey ... I agree with you! It CLEARLY says, as you point out "But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, SAVING FOR THE CAUSE OF FORNICATION, causeth her to commit adultery....(emphasis mine). Notice the word SAVING!!! Jesus gave a exception for a Divorce. Elsewhere the Bible says if an unbeliever leaves...let them leave! I'm not saying run out an file the very day your spouse cheats on you, but if after much prayer and fasting the spouse refuses to stop, I don't believe it is God's heart for someone to continue on for years of such abuse. Have a listen to "Michael Chriswell" on this topic. You can tell how much this man loves the Lord and obeys Him!
You must prove your definition of fornication instead of just making assertions. I can easily claim a word means something without giving any evidence of that meaning and it be wrong. So show from the Bible that fornication includes adultery.
Well my hopefully soon to be ex-wife abandoned me and our two kids for her boyfriend she apparently was having an affair for two months. I gave my life to Christ and everything came to the light. I tried to reconcile with her even though she did that and she wants to party and got into witchcraft and drugs. She filed for divorce and then I learn of abuse towards our kids from her. I don’t see how I am bound to her anymore. She’s been gone 4 months and in those 4 months she’s literally tried abducting our kids even though I have the custody under these temporary orders. Then she paid some drug addicts to try and jump me too. If anyone was free of their marriage I feel like it would be me. I literally fought for our marriage.
I would love to hear your honest opinion. My husband confessed to an affair and admitted to other affairs prior to this one. He asked me for a divorce, I was broken and repentative of all my wrongdoings but he assured me I didn't do anything wrong, It was simply his choice to be with this woman. When I asked him what about our family, his response was "what family", when I told him that he knows I don't believe in divorce, we made a promise and commitment before God and witnesses his response was he might go to hell one day but thats fine with him. I was more than willing to work through our problems (that I didn't even know existed) but he was simply done. Does that make me an adulterer? This has been weighing very heavily on my heart since I believed my husband to be a kind, humble God fearing man when we got married. As I understand because we became one flesh when we married his sins are mine and my sins are his. So because he commitment adultery I'm already seen as an adulterer. That's also why I don't believe in remarriage, because my husband is still alive our covenant is still in force. I will not force him to come back, I always tried to respect and follow my husbands leadership. I have asked God for guidance in this matter and said that if he removed my husband from my life for a reason and wanted me to remarry to show me when He brings the new person into my life. I have cut myself of from the outside world, to limit my exposure to a sinful single life. I only leave my house to go to the shops, our child's school and visit a handful of friends. My husband moved out 9 months ago, got engaged to this woman 7 months ago, but we are not divorced yet.
@@Taniastf Hi, nothing much has changed. Hr still hasn't finalized the divorce he started, tgus has cost me almost a year's wages until now just to defend myself and our child. He has not contributed one cent towards our child in the last year. He is still with this woman, although with our child's last visit his and our child's clothes were packed in a suitcase, when our child asked why, he told her its because they were painting the inside of his wardrobe, but the woman later told my child he wanted to leave and she laughed in his face and waived him goodbye, he stayed when he realized he had nowhere to go. In the interim they are still trying to make my life a living nightmare. He is trying to steel money from me, trying to take my car away, sending mean messages to me and my friends via our child. Driving past my house or following me. I am ignoring everything coming from that side to try and keep the peace, but I know my friends are getting angry and I need to beg them not to react. I am being honest when I say I sometimes wish God will send me someone who will stand by my side and protect me. I don't think I was put on this planet to be someone's bank card or backup plan. But I am still willing to accept and walk the path God has planned for me.
@IcU81 what a life you are living , this is definitely not what God has for you . Could you get any help so far to get rid of this man ? How os your family supporting you ? Or friends? Local church?
@@IcU81 First off, let me say that I am truly sorry for what you are going through. There are really no words that could truly do any justice to what you are feeling and experiencing right now. If I may share the following in line with God's Word: - Your husband is not a Christian. That is ultimately the issue. Based on your description, he is not counting his own cost to follow Christ (Luke 9:23, Luke 14:33, Gal 5:24), is not loving his wife as Christ loved the church (Eph 5:25-33) and has no interest in the glory of Christ within your marriage (1 Cor 10:31). Your husband is/was committing adultery with this woman he is/was "engaged" (big quotes) to. Accordingly to 1 Cor 6:9, he will not enter heaven as all adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God. These are the telltale marks of a "worker of iniquity" that Christ rejects in Matt 7:23. So your prayer should really be focused on his salvation, his need to be reconciled to a holy God, and that the Lord will give him a broken contrite heart that cries out for mercy from the Lord (in repentance and faith in Christ alone). This may be difficult to do in your current circumstances, so ask the Lord to help you forgive your husband and to give you a burden for your husband's soul. - You are NOT an adulterer because of your husband's actions. There is no scripture that says that you are culpable for your husband's sins. Could a spouse have actions that tempts the other spouse to sin (1 Cor 8:9, 1 Cor 7:5)? Possibly. But even then, each person is culpable for their own sins. - You are in a 1 Cor 7:15 situation. You have an unbelieving spouse who wants to depart. In order to maintain peace, let him depart while concurrently praying that your husband will be regenerated by the Holy Spirit of truth (John 16:13) and that you may be reconciled to one another in Christ (1 Cor 7:11) as a testimony. - You really need a faithful church community around you where the Bible is authoritative in doctrine and in application. This is true for any believer, particularly for yourself. Try to form a relationship with a godly woman who is mature in her walk with Christ. Ideally she will encourage you, read the Word of God with you, pray with you and love you as a sister in Christ. In your description of recent events with your husband, I see no mention about how the church is being salt and light to this situation. That is concerning. I regret having to say this, but beware of Pastors that advocate for 2 x exception divorce/remarriage. Long story short, you and your husband are still married in the eyes of the Lord: - Luke 16:18 - Mark 10:11-12 - Rom 7:2-3 - 1 Cor 7:10-11 - 1 Cor 7:39 Matt 5:32 and Matt 19:9 (except for sexual immorality) means except for fornication (porneia - pre marital sexual relations). It is not an exception to divorce/remarry if a spouse commits adultery. This "exception clause" only appears in Matthew (written to a Jewish audience) and it doesn't appear in Mark or Luke (written to a gentile audience). This exception was only for the Jewish believers who practiced betrothal. A betrothed couple could divorce if there was found to be sexual immorality PRIOR to full marriage. As an example, see Matt 1:19 where Joseph was going to divorce Mary quietly when he found out she was pregnant during their betrothal. 1 Cor 7:15 is a reference to when an unbeliever departs, the believing spouse is no longer "bound" (other translations: bondage / enslaved). The word literally means "enslaved". This verse is simply saying that a believing spouse should not have to endure the unbelievers Godless actions and that the Lord would want the believing spouse to live in peace. It is NOT saying that the believing spouse is free to remarry, as that would contradict the verses listed above. With all this said, your husband is obviously lost. Pray for his salvation. In the meantime, get engrained with a gospel centric, sound doctrine church where you can be encouraged, protected, discipled and fed the Word of God. Concurrently, try to seek the Lord regarding your own heart. Last but not least, consider meditating on the following scriptures: - Psalm 3:3 - Psalm 18 - Psalm 23 - Psalm 71 - Psalm 91 - John 6:37 - John 16:33 - Rom 8:28 - Rom 8:35-39 - 1 Cor 10:13 Will be praying for your husband's salvation, as well as God's grace for you and your child.
I believe the when the scripture says that you will be made an adulteress, it means you are being placed in a position where you will be tempted to enter an adulterous relationship or remarriage. You are not an adulteress simply because he left you for another woman.
John, I read your articles and sermons on your position on divorce and remarriage. I dismissed you as wrong. After careful study of dt 22, dt 24, Matt, Mark, Luke, I found myself coming to the same radical conclusion that you hold by the simple studying of all the scriptures. I dismissed your teaching but realize it is the only logical conclusion. Only in this position do the scriptures agree and make sense.
Tin Star I have 100% gone through the same ... disagreement to understanding I struggled in my marriage and wanted my own understanding, but after I carefully studied the word I've come to the same conclusion. The word is way too clear on this, using the Bible to refute it is the only way to argue this point... things like " I feel" etc... point out the problem with the divorce issue. Amen
Only a death frees anyone to marry another, or to be married to another: ua-cam.com/video/1hQvETCgEek/v-deo.html -six part ua-cam.com/video/SpKNBw4j_6o/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/eWqkR_wIDR0/v-deo.html cadz.net/ www.marriagedivorce.com/Have-You-Not-Read.pdf www.danielrjennings.org/except_for_fornication_version_1.pdf www.theologicalfoundations.com/ www.marriagedivorce.com/ cpr-ministries.org/ www.ephrataministries.org/remnant-2008-3Q-divorce-remarriage-early-church.a5w www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?keyword=mecl&keyworddesc&currsection=sermonssource&SourceOnly=true&keywordwithin=Divorce%3A+Meet+Goliath&x=5&y=11 -5 part www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?seriesOnly=true&currSection=sermonstopic&sourceid=mecl&keyword=Divorce+And+Remarriage&keyworddesc=Divorce+And+Remarriage - 4 part genesistwo24.blogspot.com/ walklikechrist.com/sermons.asp?sermonid=83 biblestudying.net/remarriage1 biblestudying.net/topic_audio.html ua-cam.com/video/RlTyx1qIqko/v-deo.html www.anabaptists.org/books/mdr/ ua-cam.com/channels/xN7-jaU4JtzOHTsUrVKCwQ.html ua-cam.com/video/BIcPESLWiyM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/KgpO_llMLWE/v-deo.html -series ua-cam.com/video/eCwTWXna_eQ/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/MJlIxjOwr0k/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/xOHX0lEeVdc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/Z5LyQ8GPDbg/v-deo.html www.jimdragoministries.org/dr-articles/jim-drago-article-1.html
Did this careful study include poorly defined Greek words and articles referencing the same original argument that someone made years ago that no longer holds up today? Most of the internet is saturated with them. My heart goes out to those who have been divorced against their will and have watched their ex spouses move on and sleep with dozens of strangers. Forgiveness is necessary, but reconciliation is not. I see a lot of problems with inviting a spouse like this back in order to reconcile. Disease is a big one on the list. Sometimes we should be left with the consequences of our bad behaviour and poor choices, separate ourselves from the innocent victims we've created, and allow them the option to find someone who doesn't abuse their relationships. I believe in divorce and remarriage.
@@oatneil Although I am convinced that one should not remarry after divorce unless spouse dies, I would rather err on this side if I wasn't convinced. Eternity isn't worth the temporary screwups we make here on the earth during the age of Grace.
@@oatneilmany married couples are hypocrites, cheating and resent each other but remained married yet divorced in spirit and body. What a facade what white washed sepulchres .Only people in their ivory towers can be critical of divorced people who suffered immensely with much persecution and were served with divorce papers by the guilty spouse after being caught out for habitual infidelity. I fail to see a Christ who says "you made the bed, you sleep on it." If earthly parents wont want their child to suffer in a terrible marriage i dont think Our Heavenly Father will want any of His children to be abused emotionally by giving them a law as man does to suffer in a marriage . The pharisees added burdens upon people with their opinions and teachings, Jesus brought an easy yoke and a light burden! 1cor 15 says if the spouse wants to go, let them go, for the peace of the child of God! Well it seems some pastors are better than God and st Paul! Ivory Tower advice destroys, Jesus left His Home in Glory and gave us His advice from a cruel suffering Cross! Jesus knows! He knows our grief and suffering, He is well acquainted with it. He is more than able to redeem us from a toxic marriage! And by the way marriage is not eternal as blessed as it aught to be, its only for this earth!!!
Remarriage - An Adulterous Lifestyle 💔 Much as divorce is sinful, remarriage following divorce is yet more sinful. It is a step 🚶♀️ further against the moral laws of God. The Scriptures consistently describe remarriage while a person's partner lives as adultery. Consider the following verses: "And he saith unto them Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery" (Mark 10:11, 12). "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and Whosoever marrieth her who is put away doth commit adultery" (Mathew 19:9). "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and Whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery" ( Luke 16:18). "So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man" (Romans 7:3). These Scriptures consistently describe remarriage as adultery. The Greek verb tense translated "committeth adultery" shows present continuous action, suggesting not simply an act of adultery, but a practice of adultery. The verse in Romans likewise shows that while a person's partner lives, remarriage is not a valid marriage👎, but an adulterous condition. There is an act of adultery- the sin of sexual union while married to another. There is also the condition of adultery - the sin of a marriage relationship with another while one's true 💑 marriage partner is living. With such clear Scriptures, why would professing Christians ✝️ 🤔 attempt to justify divorce and remarriage? One lady who herself married a divorced man and later denounced her situation as an adulterous union described her downfall. REASONING is one of satan's 😈 most effective weapons. How easy 😏 to reason away obedience to the Word of God. The eternal purpose ✨ 💛 of this life is not so much that we should be happy but that we should be holy. Yet there can be no true happiness apart from righteous living... "I fasted and prayed 🙏 a great deal, seeking God for an answer directly from Himself. But, although I sought a word from Him, no word was given. Nothing. Complete 🔕 silence. Only later did it come home to me that it is vanity seek a rhema (utterance) from God when He has already so clearly spoken in the written Word. Yes, a word may come which contradicts what He has said in the Scriptures; but that word 🤔 comes from the wrong source 😈. It is impossible to remarry with integrity while one's partner is still living. The treacherous spirit which leads to divorce is the same spirit which leads one to remarry. It is a betrayal 😔. In marriage , 💑 one can give his commitment to his partner, but in remarriage one can give only his treachery and 💔 broken trust. - Christian Family Living, pgs 173-175, John Coblentz.
From what I understand unless the spouse is cheating on you you're not supposed to divorce but if you do get divorcedyou're never supposed to remarry again but only if the significant other is cheating on you you get divorced and you can remarry again from what I understand if I'm not mistaken
NOT UNDER BONDAGE....... Ricky B If the unbelieving depart..... let him depart. A brother or sister is not under the bondage of servitude [Greek word Douloo] because of the separation, but should intercede for the salvation of the departed one, praying for his/her salvation and for reconciliation. A Testimony from a Sister in Christ : Quote : But just to be clear, here is something I recently discovered: I finally looked up the Greek and compared what Paul said about a woman being bound to her husband as long as he lives (1 Corinthians 7:39), and how when the unbelieving spouse leaves, the other spouse is not 'bound' in such circumstances (1 Cor. 7:15). Did you know that 'bound' is two different Greek words in these verses? 1 Corinthians 7:39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. 'bound' is the Greek verb 'deo' deó: to tie, bind Original Word: δέω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: deó Phonetic Spelling: (deh'-o) Short Definition: I bind Definition: I bind, tie, fasten; I impel, compel; I declare to be prohibited and unlawful. NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin a prim. verb Definition to tie, bind NASB Translation bind (7), binding (1), binds (2), bound (23), imprisoned (4), prisoners (1), put...in chains (1), tied (4). Now, in 1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 'bound' is the Greek word 'douloo' 1402. douloó ► Strong's Concordance douloó: to enslave, bring under subjection Original Word: δουλόω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: douloó Phonetic Spelling: (doo-lo'-o) Short Definition: I enslave Definition: I enslave. HELPS Word-studies Cognate: 1402 doulóō - enslave (passive, "become enslaved"), focusing on the status of being a bond-slave. In contrast to the other verb-form of the same root (1398 /douleúō), 1402 (doulóō) stresses the results (effects) of enslavement. That is, what automatically goes with belonging to another. See 1401 (doulos). So there is a difference between the bond between a husband and wife (for life) and this being 'bound' or 'under bondage'. So I am still bound to my husband (married in God's eyes, no matter what man says), but not under bondage to him. He does not rule over me, but I am not free to marry someone else because he is still my husband. It is interesting that Paul says these two things in the same chapter First he says the believer is not 'bound' under the circumstance of their unbelieving spouse leaving them, and then he says that a wife is 'bound' to her husband as long as he is still living. It seems to contradict, but it doesn't. It's a different word.
help everyone No, that’s what Piper is trying to explain- there is not exception for divorce- not for adultery or desertion. Marriage is for life. Remarriage is not an option in God’s design. Read His word. This is not what most modern Western churches are teaching, but it was what Jesus spoke directly.
Note how Pastor John admits that most pastors disagree with him on this subject. Also the gospels are not seen as part of the Greek literature but were most likely written in Aramaic, unlike the letters to the early church.
Note that most people thought the earth was flat, and most people thought the Titanic couldn't be sunk, and most people spend more money than they make, and most people live with their partners before marriage, and most people don't accept Christ according to Christ.... You'd be a fool to gauge truth by asking the majority for their opinion rather than reading the Bible with your own eyes. The verse is very simple to understand...we just don't want it to be that way so we invent nonsense reasoning or justifications...just like Eve did, just like Adam did...as it's the root of sin nature...to sin, and then justify sin sinfully (rejecting what God says in preference for having things our way from apathy toward God) "And this is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the Light; for their deeds were evil."
Funny enough the same preacher that stood to help people pounce this, will help them re-pronounce it with another person while the first is still alive.
I listened to your explanation of these "exception" verses starting at 1:40 in the video over and over and I can't fathom how you're getting this interpretation off these verses. You twist the word and add your own stipulation by saying the person has to be repentant, with no biblical verse to back that up. Then you accuse any man of divorcing a repentant adulterer of being unchristian. This is your opinion/teaching, not the Christian God of the bible.
Immortal Pilot I agree with and if I’m wrong correct me but I’m Matthew 19:9 Jesus said whosoever shall put away his “WIFE”, why do people including him say that Jesus was saying if you find out she was sexually immoral before you marry her? If he used the term WIFE then doesn’t that mean they were already married?
@@GregSmith-ne7mw read Deuteronomy 22:23-24. The Jews at the time of Christ called the betrothed husband and wife as soon as they signed the marriage contract.
Gregory & Immortal, keep doing your research. Piper is far from the only one teaching marriage permanence. Also, take a look at the history of when the church started to allow for divorce. Keep digging, Brothers, and God will reveal the truth to you if you allow Him.
The divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32, and Matthew 19:9. However, the wife in Matthew 5:31-32 is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews that Jesus was speaking to were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command. The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death. The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. But when Jesus died on the cross, he caused the Jews to be dead to the law of Moses so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the law of Moses over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the whole law is no longer possible for those in Israel and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15. The phrase "sexual immorality" being used in Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:9, in place of "fornication", creates conflict with what is written about fornication and adultery in Hosea 4:13-14, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, and Galatians 5:19-21. Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife. Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned by the unbeliever, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way they word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not under bondage," which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, when this is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 has the Apostle Paul giving permission to remarry do not understand that the abandoned husband in 1 Corinthians 7:11 is expected to also remain unmarried, in order to be reconciled with his wife. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh in marriage puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, by implying that he has issued an opposing command. Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men, and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16. The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly about virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a father with a virgin daughter who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command to a third party, the father, and not a divorced man who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the father who decides it is better for his daughter not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which means that fathers of virgin daughters in the congregation do well if they choose to allow their betrothed virgin to marry, and fathers, who choose not to allow their virgin daughters to marry do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unlawful unions. The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24. Mark 10:1-12 is the same biblical record of Matthew 19:1-12, which both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel, because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans and Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching.
I disagree Sir. My wife got caught sleeping with another man. She betrayed me and I divorced her cause I could not accept that she cheated. She broke the Covenant. It was not my fault.
The bible does not allow for divorce if there is infedelityThe bible does allow for divorce at death.[for you Mormons out there].There is a Lot of "confusion" out there.Con means "with"---fusion means "a blending of what Gods says with what the world says."Make up your mind and choose one or the other.
This is WRONG. Piper is teaching a false interpretation of Scripture. Insane nonsense. Ignore him folks! There is no requirement for a betrayed spouse to stay single for the rest of their life!
False interpretation of scripture? When you have ZERO evidence for ANY of the supernatural claims made by the bible, why does it matter how someone interprets the stories?
Remain alone or be reconciled. The only two options for as long as first spouses live. And if a marriage is actually adultery in the eyes of God, it should be forsaken in repentance like any other sin. ua-cam.com/video/1hQvETCgEek/v-deo.html -six part ua-cam.com/video/SpKNBw4j_6o/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/eWqkR_wIDR0/v-deo.html cadz.net/ www.marriagedivorce.com/Have-You-Not-Read.pdf www.danielrjennings.org/except_for_fornication_version_1.pdf www.theologicalfoundations.com/ www.marriagedivorce.com/ cpr-ministries.org/ www.ephrataministries.org/remnant-2008-3Q-divorce-remarriage-early-church.a5w www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?keyword=mecl&keyworddesc&currsection=sermonssource&SourceOnly=true&keywordwithin=Divorce%3A+Meet+Goliath&x=5&y=11 -5 part www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?seriesOnly=true&currSection=sermonstopic&sourceid=mecl&keyword=Divorce+And+Remarriage&keyworddesc=Divorce+And+Remarriage - 4 part genesistwo24.blogspot.com/ walklikechrist.com/sermons.asp?sermonid=83 biblestudying.net/remarriage1 biblestudying.net/topic_audio.html ua-cam.com/video/RlTyx1qIqko/v-deo.html www.anabaptists.org/books/mdr/ ua-cam.com/channels/xN7-jaU4JtzOHTsUrVKCwQ.html ua-cam.com/video/BIcPESLWiyM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/KgpO_llMLWE/v-deo.html -series ua-cam.com/video/eCwTWXna_eQ/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/MJlIxjOwr0k/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/xOHX0lEeVdc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/Z5LyQ8GPDbg/v-deo.html www.jimdragoministries.org/dr-articles/jim-drago-article-1.html
All those videos... full of people PRETENDING to know things they do not know... and not one tiny piece of evidence that their invisible god is real...
I certainly respect Dr. piper’s convictions and I agree with him on a lot of things, but I disagree with him on this particular one. One Corinthians 7 I believe talks about if the unbelieving spouse departs, and I’m sure that would go for any spouse, let them depart and the person is not bound. Certainly this would have to include adultery. Forgiveness is one thing. Trust is entirely another. Although I certainly would question the motives of why one would not want to have restoration with a penitent spouse. I also know that when you commit adultery that is the ultimate betrayal. So certainly there can be reconciliation by the miracle power of God, but I do not believe One is obligated to stay in the marriage when a spouse is committing adultery. And I also believe they would be free to marry since the other individual broke the covenant. In saying that, I certainly think God that many marriages are restored and to come back from these things.
That verse obviously dos NOT include adultery...it speaks to an unbelieving spouse leaving a believer...let them go, the believer is now free from God's law of marriage....doesn't say anywhere that if either party commits adultery and DOESN'T leave that then either is then free to divorce.... no grounds for the believer to divorce..no grounds for the unbeliever to divorce.... Keep your finger in the text Ryan....and read it without adding to it...
@@locophoto6881 first of all, one Corinthians is written to believers. The epistles are written to believers. You can find that in the beginning part of chapter 1. Also, Jesus himself taught that if you divorce someone in order to marry someone else, you commit adultery and we are told by some scholars that that is actually how the Greek would read. We have to take the whole of what the word teaches so Jesus did make allowance for divorce if sexual immorality is there. If repentance is not exercised, one is not obligated to stay with someone that is an unrepentant adulterer. No one is advocating divorce. No one is advocating remarriage,. And when Paul in one Corinthians 7 when talking about if the unbelieving spouse departs, let us know that if they depart the other one is not bound and yes that is speaking to the believer. If they are not bound, it would stand to reason that they are not bound. That is what I was attempting to say. Your instruction on how to read is not appropriate and neither are ad hominem attacks. I was graciously pointing out my loving disagreement and I do not need you to be rude. I can tell by your tone that we would never agree on this anyway so I will not respond to anything you say from this point
@@ryandawson2877 Impressive how much Grace you can share to a Brother simply because you "know" we'll disagree..THAT is one classy stance amigo....and I"m sure you've made a great example of God's Grace by telling me off like that. Seventy times seven for the followers of Christ...but Ryan?...ahhh...Ryan thinks he can get offended once and he's outta here on this following Jesus thing. And news flash....God takes a tone in certain circumstances...and is even playful...and other times very challenging...but you're too busy throwing a fit to hear any sound reasoning so I'll just leave this comment here in case you ever grow up a little and manage to figure out that on a public Internet forum you're going to run into Brothers that disagree with you. Life is going to be REAL hard until you can talk to people with differing opinions my man.
God is not guiding me to believe in this teaching. I believe adultery with another person is a choice. The adulterer made a decision to break the covenant or to become one flesh with another person. 1 Corinthians 6:16-19. Man can break a covenant. Jeremiah 34:18-21 I believe the act of adultery violates man's law and God's law. Man's law It is a crime in my state to commit adultery. Class B Misdemeanor Crime maximum penalty up to 3 months imprisonment and a 500.00 fine. If you commit adultery in the military, you might face major penalties! The spouse or lover might be harmed or killed. You never know the mental state of the innocent spouse. God's Law - Thou shalt not commit adultery. Consequences of adultery Loss of honor and strength Proverbs:9-11, a ruined reputation Proverbs 5:14, bondage and death Proverbs 5:22-23, self-destruction Proverbs 6:32, and vengeance of a jealous husband Proverbs 6:34 My other thoughts: Exception clauses are addressing a special kind of a woman: A virgin! I know my wife wasn't a virgin when I married her. I believe things would have been different if I married a virgin. During Biblical times a women's virginity was precious and expected. Deuteronomy 22:13-30 Women were totally depended on men for survival. Matthew 5:32. I actually saw a modern scenario play out in a documentary. A lady with children was living in a country in the Middle East. Her husband went off to fight in a war. He never returned. She was unable to find work. One day she met a man, and he gave her money for sex. Now she works as a prostitute. I know a man whose wife denied sex with him for years. He was a good provider and took care of most of her wants and needs. Well, she cheated with him for 5 years. Opening her legs to another man. This other man is a womanizer. The possibility of a sexual disease is out there. She was caught twice, but never really came clean. There could be other men. He is now seeking a divorce. I know another man who caught his wife in their home with another man. She ended up cheating on the other man, too! He divorced her and is now remarried. I think one must be careful telling a person he's going to hell, because a man divorces his wife for adultery. Some people become traumatized (betrayal trauma) and its best to divorce the cheating partner for mental health reasons. I find it interesting that so many people are confused on this topic. Some say you can't divorce; others say you can, but you have to remain single. The top theologians are split over this issue. These are individuals who spend tons of years reading and interpreting Biblical and Jewish writings. I think it's best to get closer to God, vs listening to people point fingers at one another on youtube. Go to a strong Biblical church, fast and pray, read your Bible and ask for understanding. For those honestly seeking truth with no malice 1 Samuel 16:7 Proverbs 16:1-3 For those pointing fingers John 8:7. God Bless!
But it doesn't mean that it is allowed or permitted, it is encouraged/endorsed. What if the Bible allows divorce in this situation but that doesn't mean the Bible is endorsing it. It's like "Even though you are permitted to divorce your spouse, you should not divorce him/her (yet).
It is the remarriage that is the real danger. You should separate from anyone who is hurting you. But for those who make the Bible the authority over their lives, need to read it and know what it says. Romans 7:2-3
It seems clear to me that a marriage only truly ends in one of 2 ways. One of the partners dies or commits adultery. Divorce is automatic upon death of one of the partners and is allowed upon commission of adultery by one of the partners. You dont have to divorce if one commits adultery, but you are allowed to do so if they do. Because they betrayed their vows to you and to god by committing adultery. Remarrying is alltogether a completely different issue, but the question of divorce to me is quite clearly written out in the scriptures.
Way too extreme like usual. 1 Cor. 7 says divorce stay single, then in 24-28 saying a virgin and divorced or anyone really can marry and not sin alluding to. McArthur has better stuff on this, even though Rom. 11:22-23 neglect like John.
Most Christians are ignorant to the fact of the four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) being Old Testament books, NOT New Testament; they were still under Mosaic Law, thus must be interpreted in light of this fact. Jesus NEVER taught against the Torah (Matt. 5:17-18)(Gal. 4:4) *Supposed Perpetual adultery clause (Luke 16:18)(Matt. 5:31-32): a. Herod Philip married Herodias. When Herod Antipas visited his brother, he wanted Herodias for a wife for himself. So Herod Antipas put away his own wife, and married Herodias. She, of course, had to depart from Herod Philip first. The Jewish law does not permit such behavior (Lev. 18:16; 20:21). John the Baptist continually said this was wrong. When he did this, he made Herodias very angry. So Herod Antipas ordered John's arrest & beheading. (Mark 6:14-28)(Matt. 14:1-11) b. Therefore, the supposed perpetual adultery clause comes from a misunderstanding of Jesus’ words in Luke, who in protest of Herod Antipas, he condemned the relationship as adulterous which means that he rejected the legitimacy of the marriage because he stole his brother’s wife, which violates commandments 6,7, and 9. c. Besides this shameful laxity, the Pharisees had never had the courage to denounce the adulterous marriage and disgraceful divorce of which Herod Antipas had been guilty. d. Jesus was referring to putting/sending away ones wife (Heb.- shalach)(Grk.- apoluo) without the written certificate of divorce (Heb.- sepher kerituth)(Grk.- apostasion) and marrying another causes adultery if one is remarried. God cares more about the needs of people than He does the institution. (Matt. 12:1-8)(1 Cor. 7:1-2, 27-28) *Note, If a person accepts the inspiration and infallibility of the Scriptures, then it cannot stand that what Jesus said in Matthew carries more authority than what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 7 or Moses in Deut. 24 . All men spoke from God (2 Pet. 1:21) and each of them complement each other’s teaching in reflecting the Holy Spirit’s inspiration (2 Tim. 3:16-17).
The marriages in the Old Testament were horrible so is that good? Is that how marriages are suppose to be? I’m really wondering. And at minute 5:00 he says God doesn’t divorce his people but in the bible it says God divorced Israel Jeremiah 3:8-10. Isn’t what he said contradictory? I’m just seeking for answers. What if your heart doesn’t grow warm to somebody and you don’t want them back, should you live in a “miserable marriage” like he stated?
What is love to you? If you are abused and just can stop loving, that is not biblical love. If you think the grass is greener just you because you find someone who doesn't abuse, you are deceiving yourself. Be slow and careful to get married because when you do, you have signed up to be one flesh with that person for your life. Do not keep yourself in harms way, but do not abandon them by divorcing them. Wait and pray for them. That is God's heart.
I have a question please as a single person: ROMANS 7:1-3 reads: "Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law [a]has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man" However, "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree. '' Galatians 3:13.... Why then are we still bound by the law??
So the conclusion is, Does God allow the divorce for adultery and multiple affairs along the marriage ? Or only Death can breaks the marriage ? What if the betrayed insists to divorce and keep blaming and doesnt want to forgive whole life , but the unfaithful spouse willing to repent and save the marriage ?
I agree with a lot of Pastor John’s teaching, especially in regards to marriage and divorce because he desires to please God by not doing what God hates, in this case divorce. But, he never explained what Jesus meant when He said “except for”, meaning that our Lord made an exception which appears to be sexual immorality. Can someone from Desiring God please tell us Pastor John’s interpretation of Jesus saying “except”?
In those days, the engagement period was considered marriage expect you didn't consummate it until the official marriage day. If a man found out his fiance was not a virgin, then he could legally divorce her and not continue with the marital preparations. This is how it relates to Mary and Joseph. They were engaged and committed for marriage but he was going to divorce her because she waa pregnant with Jesus.
If it's not the betrothal period (written in the gospel written to the jews but not seen in the other gospels) the exception clause allows for divorce but is silent on remarriage. Elsewhere it says if a man divorces his wife (no exception given) he causes her to commit adultery. This is because a woman is bound to her husand for as long she lives.
I am coming across the views of marriage permanence. I was a late convert. I have a married a divorced man. I believe this makes me an adultress. However his first (covenant) wife is remarried. Therefore I stumble on this verse: Deuateronomy 24:4 then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the LORD, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance.
this may be true...but 1 Corinthians 7.11 gives us our options.....1 Corinthians 7:11, NASB: "(but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband is not to divorce his wife." the Bible does not say....reconcile, if possible, but reconcile....so if one can not reconcile one can....remain single.....here is where the emotional aspect kicks in....it is considered too great an inconvenience....to be obeyed.....you have to consider if this is a salvation issue....that adulterers shall not inherit the Kingdom, of God....it is an open secret that the majority of Christianity will give you a....pass....but they will not answer, for you, on judgement day....
Grace to you Joy Notice that this Permanence Pastor does NOT advocate divorce for those remarried. It's NOT taught in God's Word so many Permanence Pastors don't teach that theory. They don't follow the deductive suppositions of those who do. You can deduce anything from God's Word if you take it out of context. While Jesus did reveal that ending a marriage causes one to commit adultery when they remarry, He said that in reference to those who were allowed to remarry (Deut. 24:2). After remarriage the former husband was not allowed to remarry his ex-wife (v.4). He is called former because that was what he was, FORMER. The present husband was the current husband and they were to be faithful to one another. There is NO "divorce to repent" instruction in God's Word. The adultery was the inadvertent consequence of not fulfilling an obligation intrinsic to marriage. It was NOT the adultery of being unfaithful while married (which was the adultery that broke the law). There is NO uniform belief among Permanence Pastors about divorcing one's present spouse. So don't get caught up by those who use fear to drive you to their conclusions. There is NO prohibition for remarriage (as presumed) in Jesus’ teaching. It may well be used as a deterrence for divorce (as was Jesus point) but prohibiting remarriage is a false supposition interjected into His teaching by those who think the adultery is the same as that punished under the law. If we place Jesus’ teaching within the history to which He referred we then can see that there is no prohibition for remarriage in either. Remarriage (itself) was not sinful and did not require repentance. In Jesus' teaching on the matter He was emphasizing the importance of staying married because it avoids violating an exclusive obligation set forth by the first marriage. But He NEVER taught the second marriage was illegitimate or for them to forsake their present spouse. This made up repentance causes sin. Thinking Jesus prohibited remarriage is a false supposition imposed into His teaching. Jesus did NOT address the matter of who can remarry. He is NOT speaking dis-favorably about remarriage. In context Jesus is making a counter argument against divorce by establishing what it causes for remarriage. The obvious solution resides in His admonition for them to stop separating the one-flesh union (Matthew 19:6). That’s as far as He took it. He made an argument for sustaining marriage. He changed nothing about divorce being conceded or the fact that remarriage was graciously allowed. By understanding this issue from a chronological perspective we can determine that it was many years later that the Apostle Paul (while addressing questions submitted to him by the church of Corinth / 1 Cor. 7:1) restricted remarriage under one of the circumstances he enumerates (v. 11). This is the only remarriage restriction following divorce and it proves that prohibiting remarriage is unique in God’s Word. That’s why it’s important to understand biblical facts chronologically. That way biblical precedents reveals that keeping people out of marriage was NOT God’s will either. Marriage is the right place for sexual expression and Paul reveals that those formerly married should remarry instead of burn with passion (1 Cor. 7:8, 9). Some Pastors have put the “horse before the cart” (so to speak) chronologically by reading Paul’s prohibition as if Jesus had already prohibited remarriage. Thus they are theorizing that “remarriage was prohibited” by Jesus when in fact it was not. Believing that rearranges the chronology about when and to what extent remarriage was actually prohibited in God’s Word. It subverts a persons perspective by exchanging the uniqueness of prohibiting remarriage with that of a uniform prohibition. In the New Testament we don’t actually have one exception for remarriage (as some suggest), we only have one exception for prohibiting remarriage. While the Church should be fully involved in preserving marriages, we should be very careful about coercing those divorced into a life of perpetual singleness. Formerly married Christians have their struggles and 1 Cor 7:8,9 gives them instruction as to what to do. It is best to read those verses in light of the first 7 verses that precede it.
Be VERY careful who you marry and pray daily for your spouse.
Murder your wife, repent and then legally remarry as a widower - aint legalism fun!!!!
And if you burn with lust get married 1 Cor 7:9 ha what else can you point out when you are hot and horny and looking for a wife who you find out a month into the marriage is more concerned with your bank account than being the receptacle for your lust.
Agree!!
The Spaniel Inquisition it’s not legalism, you can’t remarry. Roman 7:1-3
@@thespanielinquisition7167, (Luke 14:26 If any man come to me and hate not his father, and mother and wife and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple). If a man's love for this world and the things of this world including a wife, is greater than his love for God, he is not his. Pray and ask God to change your heart and give you agape love for God and his kingdom. Blessings!
The second preacher ive ever heard teach this anywhere near correctly. Bravo, Dr Piper. Bravo.
God used this message to help save my marriage. Seven years later our marriage and children are flourishing praise be to God. Marriage is still a constant dying to one’s self. Not something that our flesh enjoys.
Amen, praise God
I totally agree with you, Bro. John that the Bible teaches no divorce and remarriage while the spouse is still living! If we, as Christians, would be unified on that, how pleasant and peaceful and blessed our lives would be! And what a testimony to the unbelieving world!
many married couples are hypocrites, cheating and resent each other but remained married yet divorced in spirit and body.
What a facade what white washed sepulchres .Only people in their ivory towers can be critical of divorced people who suffered immensely with much persecution and were served with divorce papers by the guilty spouse after being caught out for habitual infidelity.
I fail to see a Christ who says "you made the bed, you sleep on it." If earthly parents wont want their child to suffer in a terrible marriage i dont think Our Heavenly Father will want any of His children to be abused emotionally by giving them a law as man does to suffer in a marriage .
The pharisees added burdens upon people with their opinions and teachings, Jesus brought an easy yoke and a light burden!
1cor 15 says if the spouse wants to go, let them go, for the peace of the child of God! Well it seems some pastors are better than God and st Paul!
Ivory Tower advice destroys, Jesus left His Home in Glory and gave us His advice from a cruel suffering Cross!
Jesus knows! He knows our grief and suffering, He is well acquainted with it. He is more than able to redeem us from a toxic marriage! And by the way marriage is not eternal as blessed as it aught to be, its only for this earth!!!
@Sheldon Gray will you remain in a marriage if your husband beats you up daily??? Jesus does not say anything about that!!! Ivory tower advice doesnt help the suffering!
amen!
The Bible does NOT teach that. The Bible teaches that there ARE GROUNDS FOR A DIVORCE. Stop twisting the Bible the way you want it. Cheating and Abandonment ARE grounds for a DIVORCE. People who don't follow that end up with multiple STD's.
@@leonabanks5591 You have believed a false teaching! If you divorce and get into another sexual relationship, you are in adultery without question! There is no exemption clause! It is a lie from hell! Stop trying to make yourself feel better if you indeed are in adultery! Monogamy rules!
Stand firm in your position , brother! You are a strong beacon of light guiding many through a maze of false teaching. Jesus says many will try to enter but won't be able to
but you will? if so is it because you did not divorce?
@@zsh.h.6693 Divorce is Not allowed in scripture. This teaching by Piper is correct. Do research if you REALLY want to know the TRUTH on this subject.
All early church leaders from the Disciples on taught marriage was for life and a Holy, unbreakable Covenant before God. The reason this so called "exception clause" is only found in Matthew and NOT REPEATED OR CONFIRMED in Luke, Mark, Romans, or Corinthians is bc Matthew is written primarily to Jews who practiced the custom of betrothal (before marriage). That is what Piper points out here and is what JESUS Himself is saying to the Jewish crowd. That if you find out your Betrothed spouse has been unfaithful (Committed fornication) you can break the agreement and NOT go through with the marriage. Fornication is only between single people. Sexual immorality between married people is called ADULTERY which is why the word FORNICATION IS WRONGLY TRANSLATED TO ADULTERY in modern, watered down versions of scripture such as Nlt, Niv, Asv, etc. That is done Purposely to give people that want to divorce an out. It is FALSE. Read the Original Greek or the King James bible. Don't be fooled or misled. ONLY death breaks the marriage Covenant
1 Corinthians 7:39
Romans 7:1-3
Mark 10: 7-9
The Bible is CRYSTAL clear on this subject
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 so you say that Scripture insists that one should remain in a toxic abusive unfaithful marriage ???? Scripture as per many interpret is saying one must SUFFER in the marriage for the rest of ones life? please answer with a yes or no?
@@zsh.h.6693 Yes. That's what scripture says. Please read the verses I provided before for yourself and don't take my word for it. I welcome a conformation of the facts God states.
One side note to your question though- while God states marriage is for life, anyone in an abusive, or unsafe situation can, and SHOULD leave and separate until or if it's ever safe to return. 1 Corinthians 7:15 clearly states this situation
Amen !
You are not narrow hard nosed at all!! You are 100 percent right!! You are speaking the truth!!
He's not narrow hard nosed. He's just a false teacher. Simple.
@@MarkusGhambari You are incorrect. The Original King James says FORNICATION which is clearly referring to the Jewish betrothal period before marriage in the book of Matthew which is written PRIMARILY to JEWS! It's WRONGLY translated to adultery by modern watered down bibles like niv,nlt, etc to JUSTIFY people getting divorced. Look up church history-ALL early church leaders believed marriage was a Holy Covenant for life!! Educate yourself, you've been misled by modern contemporary FALSE TEACHERS/PASTORS that have caved to the culture of divorce in America led by Hollywood itself.
Romans 7:1-3
1 Corinthians 7:39
ONLY DEATH BREAKS THE MARRIAGE COVENANT!!!!
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 oh shut the duck up. I've written a whole article on this debunking your nonsense from scriptures. I've done my own homework instead of blindly believing whatever an idiot says.
@@MarkusGhambari go ahead and debunk yourself. Disobedience is blind
@@MarkusGhambari thank you...
Pastor John is a amazing man by the grace of God. I agree with him 100%. I never heard it explained that way. My Marriage was not good. But as a Christian I don’t believe in divorce. My wife was a good wife. But cancer changed her and she became very bitter. She told me to leave her but by the GRACE of God I hung in there. Thank you Pastor Piper for your mini sermons
The Bible gives two clear grounds for divorce: (1) sexual immorality (Matthew 5:32; 19:9) and (2) abandonment by an unbeliever (1 Corinthians 7:15).
@Elder Reano They complete ignore it and act like it doesn't exist. These people would rather preach their beliefs than the words of the book itself
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s Does it say divorce in the case of abandonment is okay? It just says you are not bound. It doesn't say divorce and remarry as you please. There are different interpretations of what bound means but to read all of the Scriptures on divorce and remarriage, Pastor Piper's interpretation seems to bring it all together in the clearest way, other than the staying in a remarriage. Staying in an adulterous remarriage, although it may seem the easiest smoothest way, is still a sin. What if you left your marriage originally for an adulterous relationship? Does then marrying them make it okay? I think there are many Scriptures that are just very clear about divorce and remarriage not being allowed. It takes a stretch of the other Scriptures that are interpreted as exceptions to the rule to make them the rule. They are interpreted differently by many people. All in all, God's heart is for restoration and not divorce. Why stray away from God's heart and try to find exceptions? Has anyone followed these exceptions to further God's kingdom? Or do they do it out of selfishness? Scriptures don't give "exceptions" for physical abuse, but that seems like it would be a pretty big reason if there was one. 1 Corinthians clearly in the beginning gives separation as a solution to harmful situations, but not divorce. Why later in 1 Corinthians would it say abandonment is okay to divorce? It definitely doesn't say remarriage is okay in that case.
@@klooster97 Youre just arguing with semantics at this point
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s Shouldn't a Christian investigate all details and "semantics" before just jumping to conclusions that because you were "abandoned" by a unbelieving spouse that you can just divorce and remarry? You are arguing semantics as well by saying not bound means you can divorce and remarry.
Is marriage such an institution that we just always try to find a way out?
I have spoken with many people abandoned by their spouses that as they truly seek the Lord and his will they only feel more called to stand and wait, not look for a way out.
I agree with this man pray and pray never give up
you go for it lady, tell the thousands of women who are being beaten to a pulp to not give in, its a loving God's will for them to be abused! Damn Religious nonsense
I don't agree with this 100%. Matthew 19:9 - "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." It's plain as day, people. The consequence for divorce stated here applies to those who divorce for any reason OTHER than adultery. I think some people attach their own emotions/situations to this and twist it around to fit what they want it to mean. HOWEVER, having gotten that out of the way, I do believe as Christians we are to practice forgiveness even in the case of an adulterous spouse. I don't believe that you commit sin if you divorce your spouse for adultery or even remarrying after that. Whats the point of allowing divorce if you can't remarry? If that were true, I'm sure the word "separation" would have been more appropriately used as opposed to "divorce." Divorce means to sever, the covenant is void and therefore no-one is bound to it any longer (in the case of infidelity). BUT again, even though God won't hold you to it, it doesn't mean He wouldn't prefer you had a more forgiving heart. Especially if your cheating spouse is devastated and ashamed and begging your forgiveness. God shows this is possible by the story of Hosea. Remember your own sins, and how would you take it if God divorced you for your unfaithfulness. This is my opinion and I think its true. Please do your own research and pray to God for guidance regarding your own personal situation.
why would you jump, from fornication, to adultery....that, in and of itself should be enough to say.....ok, we are done, here...
@@philipbuckley759 With all respect, actually, no, you're incorrect. Fornication is consensual sex between two people who are not married (the lover is not her husband). So in this case both fornication and adultery is committed and both accurate. Also, you can't divorce someone who is only guilty of fornication, because the guilty involved are not married. I don't mind engaging in friendly discussion whether we agree or disagree. Being kind and gentle is not an option amongst Christians as we are all called to be so. God Bless you.
@@seeker4569 The Venn Diagram here would have the circle for Fornication completely encapsulating the circle for Adultery. i.e. Adultery is a subset of fornication. I have to agree with you that this is the most natural reading of the verse. It wouldn't make sense to make an exception for a wife that fornicates if it is not possible for a married person to engage in fornication. Also, John Piper's suggestion that fornication in this context means that 'past sexual sin shouldn't prevent marriage' doesn't fit with Matthew 1:19 -- Joseph was a righteous man and was going to divorce Mary quietly. They were already married according to the customs of their day, as the contract was already entered. If they weren't married, why would it be said that he was going to divorce her? Divorce doesn't exist outside of marriage. To me, 19:9 is explicit in saying there is an exception. Piper's interpretation arrives at the result there is NO exception. This is a contradiction of what is plainly written in the text and it seems difficult to see how a wise interpretation could yield such a contradiction. I'm happy to see more discussion on the topic; we are all seeking His truth.
@@bb_bb_bb1515 I take this view. Why did Paul not mention the clause in both his teachings. 1 Cor. And Romans 7. Such a serious Doctrine as this. Why do Mark and Luke not mention this Doctrine while mentioning Divorce and adultery?
One issue surrounding divorce that is often overlooked is the issue of accountability. No one is forced in today's society to marry a particular person so we should be very circumspect in choosing a partner for marriage. Yet, today, when a man or woman is dissatisfied with the choice they made, they rush into divorce. Where is the accountability for the original choice that they made? I have met several women, who against the counsel of their parents, chose a particular man for marriage whom they later regretted marrying.
100% agree with you John. Thanks for helping set the score straight to those of us who have been bewitched.
so why does he allow the ones in a state of adultery, remain....
@@philipbuckley759 Exactly!
@@philipbuckley759 I agree with you, Philip. There are many people who have broken up (I won't even call it divorce because it is not a biblically lawful marriage) with their 2nd or 3rd or 4th spouse for this very reason. God will bless obedience like this. If you think the adulterer before a divorce needs to stop, why would you not believe an adulterer after divorce would not need to stop?
It is a biblical view John.... it is not a radical view!
amen....
Amen! Don't be a Coward. Stand for the Truth of God's Holy Word!!✝️
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 amen....
He's wrong, the Greek word in the exceptions Matthew 19:9 and Matthew 5:32 can be prostitution, fornication, adultery, promiscuity, homosexuality, incest or bestiality. Old Bibles like the KJV translated it as fornication while modern Bibles like the ESV, NASB and others translate it as sexual immorality. When a spouse commits any of the sins mentioned above people can divorce and marry again, but let them try to save the marriage first talking the sinning spouse into repentance but if they don't want to repent then yeah divorce and marry if they want to.
I am 100% beside the view of Dr john!
Better get the marriage thing right!By means of adultery- will hell enlarge itself greatly.We live in a wicked and adulterous generation.The churches are full of deceived church members having their adulterous ears ticked by clever teachers while they comfortably are married to someone elses wife or husband! Serious business!Only death ends the marriage.Adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God.1Cor,6:9.Don't believe that?Hell just got bigger!
bob frost Amen
bob frost wow brother you are so right.
The churches today are full of false teachers and unbelievers!!!
I know thats right there no 2nd husband remarrige worth my soul salvation its not that serious
I was married 6 years to a continuous adultery wife. Prayers have defanetly gave me the peace to divorce this person. I do believe God will not let you live in turmoil for life.....
@Phillip Hickman YOUR STATEMENT TO PHILIP shows you do all that God requires.hmmm another pharisee!
You did well friend. Enjoy your life with Christ at the helm.
@Phillip Hickman Vincent Patton explains his suffering and the result of his praying for guidance. He is now a happy man. You should be happy for him as a christian not cast doubt into his mind . Pharisees just loved loading people with rules and regulation hence the pity of Jesus for them. He said my yoke is easy and burden light. He went around the streets making people happy whilst the pharisees condemned the sinners. Jesus as you know was hated by the phari boys because they made their own law from scripture to burden people and Jesus LIVED out the very same Scripture which made sinners turn to Him and SMILE! Christians make others happy and make sure the modern phari boys do not use his scripture to spread anxiety, doubt and fear. Patton did well to find happiness and praise God for it.
@Phillip Hickman so does matt 5v18
@Phillip Hickman go read 5v18
Thank God I'm single! I'm 39 and never married. I'm very lonely, but when I see married people they all seem miserable. It doesn't matter whether they are devout Christians or unbelievers.
I wish I noticed that before getting married, I would’ve made the same decision
Go fix yourself up...and go do some things! Don't force needing anyone. Just .make people comfortable with approaching you. You'll be ok.
My ex husband is still a pastor and was a pastor when we were married. He had several affairs and abandoned me and the kids. He was never remorseful and actually blamed me for his disgusting behavior. He was able to turn two of my children against me and was very skilled in alienating them from me. He actually divorced me after 22 years of marriage and after I had paid for his bachelors, masters and doctorate degree (from Absury seminary), gave birth to all of his children and moved all around the country for him. So I think I had biblical grounds for divorce. The thing is, no matter how hard you try to make a marriage work, you can’t make the other person do the right thing. You are only in control of yourself. Since he decided to break our marriage covenant, I am left with the pain, the shame, and the broken pieces to try and put back together. Basically my life has been a death sentence since my divorce. I hate being divorced and never planned on being divorced. But I am in this situation nonetheless. I look forward to the day when Jesus comes to take me home and He will wipe away my tears. But until then, I am condemned to a life of little hope and full of shame.
I'll pray for you. Would love to speak with you if that is possible.
Yes, he broke the Covenant, the contract, you are free to live unmarried re-marryng. I know what you talk about, is terrible what some guys do to us. But even so you need to forgive him, but let him behind you, let go.
In the context of the scriptures, specifically within the Jewish tradition, the terms "putting away" and "divorce" often refer to two different concepts.
Putting Away is commonly used to describe the act of separating or ceasing to cohabit with a spouse without legally dissolving the marriage. It can imply a physical separation or a temporary break, but the marital bond remains intact. In some cases, "putting away" can refer to a form of separation due to a variety of reasons, such as adultery, abandonment, or irreconcilable differences. The purpose of putting away is to allow for reflection, reconciliation, and potential restoration of the marital relationship.
Divorce, on the other hand, refers to the legal dissolution of a marriage. It is the formal process of ending the marital contract and releasing both parties from their marital obligations and rights. Divorce permanently terminates the marriage relationship, allowing both individuals to remarry if they choose to do so. Divorce can be sought for various reasons, including adultery, abuse, desertion, or irreconcilable differences.
It's important to note that translations that refer to the word fornication as being the exception of when a man is allowed to 'put away' his wife is infact correct. If there was fornication it is because the couple were betrothed to be married but not yet legally married. In Jewish custom and law, an engagement period was called the 'betrothal period' and it was the first part of the two part process of Jewish marriage, which creates the legal relationship without the mutual obligations. This is why it reminds us that we need to remain faithful until Christ's return as the believer saved and redeemed is also like the betrothed. Beware of idols lest we too fornicate during our salvation and Christ returns and 'put's us away'
Pray and seek the wisdom of God on this matter and I hope this helps all those seeking clarification.
Not to be harsh but it seems you're playing the victim role.. Many people feel abortion is ok under certain circumstances such as unwanted timing or even worse such as rape. While I do understand some abortions may seem even the right thing to do in certain situations, I don't believe we should turn from the commandments of God for compelling reasons
I totally understand exactly what you mean I never wanted to divorce but with his sick twisted disrespectful behaviors (totally had no respect for marriage or family) I was left with once choice and that was to file for divorce. It's very cruel for someone to stay in a union with someone who doesn't respect or want the union (apparently mines didn't) and he definitely didn't say he didn't want the divorce he actually told me to go ahead a file for it. And not in a respectable way he cursed me the b word as he said it. And continue the very bad disrespectful behavior so yes I filed for it and I'm at peace about it.
Hard but beautiful teaching in Christianity only...
I stand on the word of God and what it tells me amen
You're right; the exception is not for married people, but for those who are engaged, like Joseph and Mary.
I am going through a possible divorce as my spouse committed adultery.
I believe wih all my heart i am not permitted to remarry based upon prayer and the Bible.
I feel for you. What I have learned, is if you were in a covenant marriage where neither one of you were married before, is that the only options are to reconcile or one spouse dies the other is free to marry again. I divorced on the same premise of unfaithfulness and am settled in my heart not to marry again. Then, God opened my eyes when I stumbled across these videos on the fact that there is no reason after marriage that there should be divorce. I read reread the scriptures over and over on the subject. I have concluded that I was in a non-covenant marriage for half my life almost because my husband had been married and divorced before he married me. So, needless to say, I don't really know where I stand. But, I believe that the single life is better for me and that I am more open to a real relationship with Jesus like never before. I have my calling and look forward to what lies ahead for me in God's will for my life.
God bless you and praise the Lord, He is returning soon anyway!
Yes , and for your own happiness. God is a loving Father and knows you weakness. You would probably be overly suspicious of your new spouse due to previous betrayal and cause much hurt and pain to yourself again and to your new partner. god does not make rules for His fun and pleasure but for our safety and happiness, neither is He a God who takes pleasure in punishing us when we do mess up. laws in the new Testament are there to make sure his kids dont hurt themselves! We tell our kids dont go too close to the fire b cause of the pain they would have to endure if they did get burnt. Most suicides occur because o relationship problems. he knows what kind o relationship would work a little:)
He wants us to be cautious in these matters so that we would be happy NOT that He can PUNISH. He is The Sovereign Ruler and Judge of ALL and EVERYTHING yet a LOVING FATHER. Trust Him always Powerful enough to wash us clean every moment,discipline us and protect us even from ourselves.
He designed us he knows about those urges and procreating drives, he didnt intend for those feelings to place us in a situation of an abusive or miserable relationship for the rest of our lives on earth. It is better not to marry deal with the drive than to live in regret everyday.
Live everyday with Jesus as the most important Person in your life and tell me if he does not make you happy with a good friend or change your ungodly spouse into a loving one.
either way God is a Father to HIS CHILDREN not satans! He cares for His children holistically He proves His Loving Fatherhood to the children of the devil by the way He loves, forgives and nurtures his children without an iron rod that pastors present him to be. HE loves YOU and cares for you enough to bless you with a good loving friend and both will be happy.
Divorce is hurtful and disastrous to many ,it scarrs for life at times, He knows all this,
Cast ALL your Feelings and Trouble on Papa, He will show you what to do to have a little happiness in this wicked world before we reach our Mansion which He has waiting for us in Glory land!
Be Blessed under His caring hand today, Amen
Eternity With Jesus biblically you are free to remarry, only in the Lord. Same situation here!! God bless 🙂❤️
Kathy Lingen you are free to remarry after divorce him - he cheated not you
You are correct. Research dr Joseph Webb
Thanks for standing for the truth in the word. Many Pastors including John MacArthur tickle ears desiring to be congregation relevant to keep more if the flock n of course the money coming in.
Wrong about McArthur
He teaches you can divorce
His theology is if it were adultery as committed in Old Testament, the penalty was death…. I think today Grace provides for continued life- so why not also extend that same grace we’ve been given and also choose to forgive and choose grace!
Amen the true will set us free!!!
I completely 100% agree. ❤ Jesus said if you look at a person with lust, you've committed adultery. So if married people are honest, everyone is guilty of adultery in thought, at some point. Jesus taught me marriage is for life unless a spouse dies, then you're free to marry another, if in the Lord's will. Divorce and remarriage (while the spouse is still living) is sin.
Mathew 19:9 "I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on grounds of sexual immorality, and marries again, commits adultery." Separation may be possible in other cases, such as domestic violence or failure to provide, but only adultery permits re-marriage.
We too often stop there. God hates divorce.
A person may divorce because of hardness of heart. To me that means unforgiving.
I have forgiven him, I am willing to work through problems.
He is on some other thought from very liberal Christians, something he was never before.
I have to disagree...love is long suffering. It endures ALL things. If your safety is at risk, seperate. Pray. Have faith. GOD TRANSFORMED my marriage. He can do that for anyone who humbly seeks his face.
@Drink Water if you so much as lust after someone that is adultery. Sinners sin. Thankfully that is where Gods grace comes in. He restores. He repairs. He can make a heart of stone a heart of flesh.
@Drink Water to say I was never married to my spouse is ridiculous. I kept my vowels. He did not. I chose to forgive. That is love. He is the only man I have ever slept with and loved. His sins do not negate my marriage. Nor does it make my two toddlers bastards. What it does reveal is that he fell into temptation and he was selfish. It does not mean God hates him. It does not mean God will not forgive. It does not mean God does not hear my prayers. Careful there is a fine line between creating boundaries with a spouse and creating bitterness or unforgiveness.
*also Jesus was clear moses allowed divorce because of our HARD HEARTS. The unwillingness to forgive or trust. Not because we were not married.
@@abcisneros91 I was hoping someone would address that that was how Jesus regarded adultery and to be honest I’m having a hard time believing that if a man looks another woman she could divorce him.
I started to believe more and more true the years, especially when something amazing happened which proofed god must be real. I am away from my man for 6 years, he has many different girlfriends now, he cheated on me with many women during our marriage. People say I need to move on and get a (read new) man, I'm seeing these single women and mothers drinking alcohol, some doing drugs, party and trying to find another man, I just don't see them succeed. I'm so disgusted by some and the behavior that I really don't wanna be like that. I started reading the bible and realized my last marriage was the only one. I love him so much after so many years but he did terrible things I think he thinks he can never fix again or look me in the eye without enormous guilt. I don't know how to fix this, can only pray and hope for a miracle, it frustrates me to try to be a good person but pull the shorter cord or so it seems, sorry for complaining. I also know he is the person that's not happy and stable, but my son and I want our family back.
Wow. I pray to the Most High Lord God Almighty Elohim Yahweh whose goodness and faithfulness surpasses all understanding, Grant you the serenity to accept the things you can cannot change, courage to change the things you can, and wisdom to know the difference.
I pray against those wicked Principalities that keep your husband in strongholds of sexual sin and guilt. I pray he also is granted the serenity to accept the things he cannot change, courage to change the things he can, and wisdom to know the difference.
I pray the the wicked Principalities are rebuked by the blood of Christ and your son is protected by his love for as 1 John's 5:18 states, when you are in Christ, the wicked one touches you not. I pray for the removal of those wicked Principalities in your household and in your spirit. I pray the Comforter gives you victory over the wicked principalities and your husband is released from all strongholds and family curses, so that your family can walk in Christ.
In the name of Jesus Christ amen.
Read Ephesians 6 12 and pray for courage and strength to be the light in this darkness.
@@nicolekinzonzi1832 Hello Nicole, I'm so sorry I didn't see your message before, normally I always check and read and respond right away, somehow I didn't see this message, maybe I was in a hurry? No idea.
But I'm so happy that you pray for me, thank you so much and God bless you. It's so kind that a stranger is praying for me and it feels heartwarming. I can not find Ephesians in the bible, maybe my bible isn't having everything in it, but will wright it down and read it when I can!
Thank you again for your prayer, I started praying for him and have bad dreams about him (only can't remember what it was about) and when my son prays for him he dreams he can't move or another dream that his father is gigantic and we are in his hands and he killed us. It feels like he is demon-possessed after having those experiences (?) Will keep on praying, who knows what the future will bring for him and me and of course our child.
God bless you.
If he's willing, pray about it and return, keeping the Lord God first in all things.
@@nicolekinzonzi1832 sometimes it is tough to be a Christian, and do the right thing, according, to the Bible.....remember that the pleasure, of sin, is for a season.....
Dear Maci I know how you feel the only thing I can tell you to continue to pray for him the enemy always try his best to feed you with lies but deep down he is not happy the more you pray for him and making sure to ask God to help you to forgive him I know it's not easy but you can do it ask the Holy Spirit to convict you about past sins so you can repent them in the name of Jesus please do not give up tell him (God) you are in agreement with him according to 1 Corinthians 7:10 so you are waiting for your marriage restoration. So when you pray have the tendency to say (WE) not (I). Stay focused stay encouraged and be blessed with your family
But what dies Yeshua say on the matter... a persons salvatuon is far greater to save than an earthly marriage thats temporary🤔🤔
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Amen !
I think this shows whether or not Jesus is really enough in someone's life. If they are fighting for remarriage even though their spouse is alive, they are pretty much telling you Jesus is not enough for me. I need another spouse! That is the heart of the issue that people don't talk about.
1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. ...
Ecclesiastes 4:9-12 ESV Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their toil. For if they fall, one will lift up his fellow. But woe to him who is alone when he falls and has not another to lift him up! Again, if two lie together, they keep warm, but how can one keep warm alone? And though a man might prevail against one who is alone, two will withstand him-a threefold cord is not quickly broken.
Christine When was the last time Jesus gave you a physical hug? How about when was the last time Jesus had a good long talk with you answering questions , posing queries and laughing with you? When was the last time that Jesus stood by your side and peeled potatoes? Maybe by now you have some idea that a spiritual relationship just does not have the same parameters as a good husband or wife does. Sorry , but to be honest with you ,Jesus is not enough in my life to go through life without friends or conversation.
@@bobloblawb2593 I understand your perspective one hundred percent...
@@bobloblawb2593 I hope when Jesus say 'depart from me, I never knew you', you respond by saying 'you were never enough for me anyway'. For the obedient ones, He is enough, He is Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, and don't forget Lord and Saviour, the Great I Am. Whatever we need Him to be.
@@keishahenry8200 I think you missed the point I was attempting to make. Spiritually , yes Jesus is enough but I challenge you to not have conversation with anyone and do not do things with anyone and see how happy your life becomes on the physical plane. For the obedient ones they will still be subject to the reality of living on this planet and will engage in conversation whilst you do not , and they will laugh and joke about, whilst you do not , and in the kitchen they will prepare food with each other while you in your spiritual state will have no need of help. Just a bit of sarcasm to get the point across. No one should be alone , regardless of how spiritual they think themselves to be.
Even the use of the expression "The exception clause" is utterly misleading, because it presupposes that The Bible/New Testament actually HAS such a clause. However, by reading the actual passage(s), an honest reader, if he or she is not "locked" in the common teaching of our days, will see that our Lord Yeshua does NOT say / tell / teach that divorcing is ok, but that this particular sin, in a spesific circumstance, causes / brings upon another person (the wife) a sin. The premise is that if the wife (already) has done that specific sin, it is not the man / husband that causes / brings upon / imposes it.
No is no exception clause. A Greek word was by Erasmus that changed the meaning of what Jesus said.
@@kenw772 Thank you ever so much for confirming this utterly important truth: All glory to our heavenly Father!! (I was not aware of the Erasmus-syndrome, - it's of gold's worth for me(!!)- but it did actually not surprise me. Could you please mention the excact language / wording?)
Good for John Piper, this is the appropriate and much needed interpretation of these verses. This needs to be taught by every pastor in the Church. Thank you for sharing it
Sadly MANY leaders in church dont
what is good about it....it is wrong, but if you are in this situation, remain......huh...
I am very concerned about this. I am just now hearing this teaching. All the while I believed adultery was the exception. My first husband was a horrible adulterer, verbally and physically abusive. I divorced him. I have now been remarried for 19 years. My X remarried 3 times and not long ago divorced his 4th wife. I want to obey God’s word, but this is heart breaking. My current husband and I have 2 daughters together 15 and 18. I wasn’t saved in the first marriage nor was he. My X is still alive and contemplating marrying his 5th wife. Please pray for me and if you have any encouraging words please share. I don’t want to go to hell.
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@@reneekelley4279 man you are like a bad dream.....you dont go away...
this is where the emotion takes over....who would want to break up a relationship that you have...and have had, for a long time.....so your dilemma....is do you go with your emotions, or what the Bible says....if you could be convinced that the Bible calls your relationship was adultery, and that would affect your salvation, what course of action, would you take....it is your life and your judgement....so what course of action do you think you need to take.....
@@philipbuckley759 ok BUT my first husband and I weren’t believers at all, so was our covenant recognized by God? I didn’t give my life to the Lord until a year after my current marriage. Yo REAL TALK, why isn’t this message hammered in? I know a ton of pastors that are in their second and third marriages. This is devastating!
@@battleready5890 your spiritual condition, at marriage is not an issue....no one is required to remarry, on conversion, so all legitimate marriages, are considered valid, Biblically...and yes it is devastating, so you have to decide with your emotions, or a Biblical teachings....you may wish to address this issue, when there is a way to deal with it and not wait until judgement day....
God FORGIVES if you repent as king David did & God actually blessed him later with a child, Solomon …
God is a merciful God.
God is not a strict dictator 🌼
This is what I believe, even though my church doesn't teach this.
Thn get out of your church...
Talk about cherry picking? You don't have to keep the Sabbath, but adultery is a sin.
@@nicolekinzonzi1832 read Colossians 2.16
@Douglas is that the bible St Paul used?
@@philipbuckley759 just for you in the version you people love....Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Fornication is sex before marriage, Jesus was referring to the betrothal period before marriage. You needed a divorce to terminate your betrothal, if you decided not to marry your espoused partner. Joseph and Mary are an example of that situation, but Joseph did not divorce Mary after an angel revealed it to him as to why she was pregnant. According to the Jewish laws he would have needed a certificate of divorce. God bless you John for taking a stand.
I was with my sons dad for 5 years he left me and then came back and married me and left me 2 days later for the same woman claiming he wanted to make this work but then turn around n leave me , I'm not saying I'm all innocent either but it took me some time to try dating but didn't end up with anyone. he walked out first and now wants a divorce a year later didnt bother to try working on the marriage I'm burly getting started with believing n all and now I'm so confused on this topic . I need more understanding on this matter I'm new to reading the bible and yesterday I had a feeling to open the book of Matthew and that what's the first thing I read.
He's very blunt. I respect that in the 1st 30 seconds...
There are no exception clauses for marriage. The exception clauses are for the jewish culture for those who were engaged or bethrothed. Second. Luke 16:18 is very clear NO DIVORCE; NO REMARRIAGE at all for any reason. Divorce is covenant breaking which is a sin unto death Roman 1:29 (KJV).
Frank Edward Amen brother
@Andrew K how do you interpret it....
@elderreano8669everyone knows Matthew is written by Jews to the Jews. Luke was a gentile writing to gentiles.
Many people would not rush to divorce a penitent unfaithful wife, or be willing to try. Having said that, a penitent unfaithful wife not typical. I personally know many examples where the cheater (especially when the cheater is the woman) is defensive, blameshifting, uncooperative, rebellious, etc. Repentance and remorse can take years and often some time later after separation or a divorce. So not only does the husband need to heal from the adultery, but he also has to heal from her hard-heartedness and mis-treatment in the face of it. I can promise you, after adultery that marriage is dead, dead, dead. Divorced or not, it's dead.
I particularly like the part when he said there are no good marriages in the old testament. Then went on to say they just gutted it out. What if its because they cant divorce that makes them all have bad marriages?
This is a hard teaching but this is sound doctrine. The Bible states this. I agree with you
I wish I could speak to you... Im going through such a confusing time and I feel like idk what to do.
NOT UNDER BONDAGE.......
Ricky B
If the unbelieving depart..... let him depart. A brother or sister is not under the bondage of servitude [Greek word Douloo] because of the separation, but should intercede for the salvation of the departed one, praying for his/her salvation and for reconciliation.
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But just to be clear, here is something I recently discovered:
I finally looked up the Greek and compared what Paul said about a woman being bound to her husband as long as he lives (1 Corinthians 7:39), and how when the unbelieving spouse leaves, the other spouse is not 'bound' in such circumstances (1 Cor. 7:15). Did you know that 'bound' is two different Greek words in these verses?
1 Corinthians 7:39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.
'bound' is the Greek verb 'deo'
deó: to tie, bind
Original Word: δέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: deó
Phonetic Spelling: (deh'-o)
Short Definition: I bind
Definition: I bind, tie, fasten; I impel, compel; I declare to be prohibited and unlawful.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. verb
Definition
to tie, bind
NASB Translation
bind (7), binding (1), binds (2), bound (23), imprisoned (4), prisoners (1), put...in chains (1), tied (4).
Now, in 1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.
'bound' is the Greek word 'douloo'
1402. douloó ►
Strong's Concordance
douloó: to enslave, bring under subjection
Original Word: δουλόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: douloó
Phonetic Spelling: (doo-lo'-o)
Short Definition: I enslave
Definition: I enslave.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1402 doulóō - enslave (passive, "become enslaved"), focusing on the status of being a bond-slave. In contrast to the other verb-form of the same root (1398 /douleúō), 1402 (doulóō) stresses the results (effects) of enslavement. That is, what automatically goes with belonging to another. See 1401 (doulos).
So there is a difference between the bond between a husband and wife (for life) and this being 'bound' or 'under bondage'.
So I am still bound to my husband (married in God's eyes, no matter what man says), but not under bondage to him. He does not rule over me, but I am not free to marry someone else because he is still my husband.
It is interesting that Paul says these two things in the same chapter
First he says the believer is not 'bound' under the circumstance of their unbelieving spouse leaving them, and then he says that a wife is 'bound' to her husband as long as he is still living. It seems to contradict, but it doesn't. It's a different word.
@@christopherjordan6237 bound and bondage are not the same...one revers to the covenant and one to the individual....you dont need to write a book on this subject to differentiate the two.....
I stand with God. That's why my pastors don't like me.
"I feel"
"I think"
"I know the bible says this, but I feel like"
I agree with the BIBLE. Thank you brother for putting this video up. It will save souls. I am a millennial. And why does saying I am a black millennial matter? Because in my culture, there are ravenous wolf teachers leading SILLY people to think that divorce is not a sin. I cannot tell you, as a single unmarried dad who yearns for marriage but working on myself so I can serve her, I cannot tell you how upset and furious I become hearing these false teachers promote Adultery. It enfuriates me.
John. Your position is not silly. It is sound. It is BIBLICAL. There is no other way to live. Divorce is a sin. I nearly married two divorced woman on separate occasions; before Christ called me. But now that i am called, I will not be yoked to an unbeliever. She must loves the Lord Jesus Christ with all of her heart and soul. We are given a command from on high, from our LORD, to marry well. Marry one who has a meek and quiet spirit, which is of great value to GOD
VoiceInWilderness Amen brother
Are you divorced?
jay b sounds like he has a blessing out of wedlock, but never got married.
As Pastor John says: "God always has higher standards".
...Ok..well I wait..and wait, and pray 🙏
yes you just keep waiting dear listen to the religious jargon and wait!
I’m guessing everyone on here agreeing that divorce is wrong under any circumstance have never had to endure the living nightmare of an unrepentant adulterous spouse.
I believe Pastor Piper is an exceptional Christian and a great bible teacher. He here gets an A+ for seeing how gracious God is and believing we (Christians) should extend forgiveness to a wayward spouse. We who have received mercy should also give it to those who have trespassed against us. Having said that I believe Pastor Piper would also maintain the biblical truth that God is Just and has the right to measure out justice. While love may compel God to forego justice, it does not make God forego justice. It is at His discretion. He has the right to act justly. Adultery could not have required the death penalty if it was not just. Therefore recourse for adultery is not something that can be dismissed because of grace. Pastor Piper fails to represent the twin facts that adultery warrants a recourse far worse than divorce. Retribution for adultery would be just. My point is simply to say that just recourse is not wrong and no Christian should be made to feel that they don't have that option. In most cases repentance of the guilty party is a deciding factor in making that decision.
I might add, in this video Pastor Piper suggest that the meaning of "porneia" (fornication) is premarital sex. But biblically fornication is a comprehensive term for illicit sex. It speaks of all sex except that shared between husband and wife. Although premarital sex is fornication, fornication does not mean premarital sex, see the distinction. Therefore in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9 fornication should be interpreted within context. The context is speaking about the consequence of marital divorce. Thus fornication would refer to marital infidelity. This is something that Pastor Piper himself acknowledges elsewhere.
John Piper “I am ready to admit that now and then porneia is used in a sense which can include adultery.”
@@nealdoster8556 even so the exception clause is allowancr for divorce but says nothing about remarriage.
@@raymondparkerjr.7948
Grace to you Raymond
I read Moses and Jesus congruently. Remarriage had been graciously allowed (Deut. 24:2) so there's not a prohibition for remarriage until Paul's restriction for believers married to believers (1 Cor. 7:11).
@@nealdoster8556 I'm divorced, single, and not willing to play with fire. Eternity with Jesus isn't worth giving up!
@@eternitywithjesus777
I understand the fear your view holds over you. Grace and peace
In the context of the scriptures, specifically within the Jewish tradition, the terms "putting away" and "divorce" often refer to two different concepts.
Putting Away is commonly used to describe the act of separating or ceasing to cohabit with a spouse without legally dissolving the marriage. It can imply a physical separation or a temporary break, but the marital bond remains intact. In some cases, "putting away" can refer to a form of separation due to a variety of reasons, such as adultery, abandonment, or irreconcilable differences. The purpose of putting away is to allow for reflection, reconciliation, and potential restoration of the marital relationship.
Divorce, on the other hand, refers to the legal dissolution of a marriage. It is the formal process of ending the marital contract and releasing both parties from their marital obligations and rights. Divorce permanently terminates the marriage relationship, allowing both individuals to remarry if they choose to do so. Divorce can be sought for various reasons, including adultery, abuse, desertion, or irreconcilable differences.
It's important to note that translations that refer to the word fornication as being the exception of when a man is allowed to 'put away' his wife is infact correct. If there was fornication it is because the couple were betrothed to be married but not yet legally married. In Jewish custom and law, an engagement period was called the 'betrothal period' and it was the first part of the two part process of Jewish marriage, which creates the legal relationship without the mutual obligations. This is why it reminds us that we need to remain faithful until Christ's return as the believer saved and redeemed is also like the betrothed. Beware of idols lest we too fornicate during our salvation and Christ returns and 'put's us away'
Pray and seek the wisdom of God on this matter and I hope this helps all those seeking clarification.
I think he's incorrect on many different levels. Though many will agree with him because of his popularity and reputation. He's a devout Calvinist which I disagree with but I won't go into here. He says there was no example of divorce in the Old Testament. Even though he focuses on the patriarchs, there certainly was divorce among God's people in the Old Testament. In the Law of Moses, it permitted divorce for a variety of fundamental violations fo the marriage covenant. There is no question that the Old Testament allows for divorce. In the book of Ezra we have mass divorces, as Ezra commanded the Jewish men and priests to divorce their pagan wives and children. In Ezra chapter 10. there is a huge list of men who are requested to divorce their wives. Not all complied, but most did.
Deut. 24:1-4 where divorce occurred (not because of adultery), it was assumed that they would remarry again. And Moses says it's a sin to remarry your first spouse once you've been divorced and remarried and then divorced again. Yet many churches preach that you must go back to your first wife. It certainly sounds like Piper would support that unscriptural view. In the Old Testament, remarriage after divorce was legally permitted for women who had a legal certificate of divorce. And certainly marriages could be dissolved. This goes against the teaching of some who say that a marriage cannot be dissolved. Deut. 22:13-19 gives two other cases that assume the right to divorce. One involves a man who falsely accuses a girl of having not been a virgin at the time of their marriage to him. If his charge is false, he owes a 100 shekels to the father as a penalty but then he forfeits all right to divorce. Plus a man could not divorce his wife if he rape her and she was given to the offender. He was not allowed to divorce. Obviously, this teaches that there were several different reasons one could divorce, but not in these two circumstances.
In Ex. 21:10-11 we read of a slave-wife. If the husband is unwilling to take care of her, i. e. and reduces his support for her, "she is free to go, without payment of money." This expression is commonly used for divorce. This law doesn't condone the man's abandoning of his marital duties, but Biblical laws are not utopian. In the real world, people often refuse to do the right thing. In Deut. 21:10-14, also commands divorce. If a Jewish man make a newly captive foreign woman his wife and he is not pleased with her, he must "let her go wherever she wishes." Again, this is a phrase commonly used for divorce. In many of these cases, divorce was allowed to protect the woman from an abusive husband. I could go on and on, but obviously Piper's point about no divorce in the Old Testament is totally inaccurate, but those with little Bible knowledge will esteem his answer as almost god-like and how could he err since he's so popular?
Even the well abused passage found in Mal. 2:10-16 is abused by such teachers. We read where God "hates divorce." But this rendering is an impossible translation of the MT, one that can only be retained on the basis of conjectural emendation without any manuscript support. Perhaps the best rendering is, "When he hates so to divorce..." If you read the context what God hates is divorcing the woman of one's youth who has stood by her husband all these years and then marries a daughter of a foreign god.
If we read the prohibitions for Levitical priests, they are not allowed to marry prostitutes, divorced women, or even widows. Why these special prohibitions if divorced women weren't allowed to remarry? Plus, prostitutes, divorced women and widows are put into the same mix, so this is not a judgment against these women. This is getting quite lengthy so I will quick with the Old Testament references. But I just wanted scripture to back up my points. Either Piper has ignored these Scriptures or he just doesn't know about them.
Also there is a big misunderstanding of the "one-flesh" principle. Many think it's the sexual relationship that establishes a marriage. However, in Ex. 22, there is the case of a man who seduces a virgin, but the marriage only takes place if the father of the woman consents to it. Otherwise the man pays a bride price as a fine, but no marriage takes place. Marriage is defined as a covenant, not a sexual relationship.
Can there be an unlawful divorce? Of course! However unlawful, a divorce is still a divorce. It still breaks covenant.
many married couples are hypocrites, cheating and resent each other but remained married yet divorced in spirit and body.
What a facade what white washed sepulchres .Only people in their ivory towers can be critical of divorced people who suffered immensely with much persecution and were served with divorce papers by the guilty spouse after being caught out for habitual infidelity.
I fail to see a Christ who says "you made the bed, you sleep on it." If earthly parents wont want their child to suffer in a terrible marriage i dont think Our Heavenly Father will want any of His children to be abused emotionally by giving them a law as man does to suffer in a marriage .
The pharisees added burdens upon people with their opinions and teachings, Jesus brought an easy yoke and a light burden!
1cor 15 says if the spouse wants to go, let them go, for the peace of the child of God! Well it seems some pastors are better than God and st Paul!
Ivory Tower advice destroys, Jesus left His Home in Glory and gave us His advice from a cruel suffering Cross!
Jesus knows! He knows our grief and suffering, He is well acquainted with it. He is more than able to redeem us from a toxic marriage! And by the way marriage is not eternal as blessed as it aught to be, its only for this earth!!!
So is it ever ok to remarry?
@D Thanks for your reply. Totally agree you. I'm sticking to what Jesus said!
Moses gave divorce because their hearts were hardened yet jesus said this was never from the beginning.
@@stevemelton3619 he did say that but then he added "except it be for fornication " too
So a person is supposed to take somebody back into their bed who's potentially carrying a disease now? Especially a life threatening one? A person is supposed to stay married to somebody that can no longer trust? This guy has no clue what adultery does to a person.
If youwould like to see a thorough discussion on this look for david pawson on divorce.
he cuts you....no slack....
It's not narrow at all but biblical that God hates divorce and makes the marriage one flesh until death. We are to forgive! 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 says "A husband is not to divorce his wife".
My husband is an unrepentant adulterer who got his girlfriend pregnant and left me along half way around the world with our toddler. I still offered reconciliation and he rejected it. Am I really bound to this man who rejects me and destroyed my life forever? Is that what God had for me? That I’m bound to this man who probably doesn’t believe in God the way he told me he did all our years of marriage? Am I doomed to never know the love of a true, God-fearing man and to wake up each morning torturing myself with what I’ve lost?
youreconfused a woman CANNOT divorce her husband.
“And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.”
1 Corinthians 7:10-11 KJV
bible.com/1/1co.7.10-11.kjv. She has 2 choices: leave and remain single or be reconciled to her husband. She is bound as long as her husband lives
“The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.”
1 Corinthians 7:39 KJV
bible.com/1/1co.7.39.kjv
youreconfused yes but a WOMAN cannot divorce her husband AND REMARRY. Read the scriptures I posted. This is a serious issue in the Christian Church. Thanks and God bless
youreconfused in 1 Corinthians Paul is giving his opinion in 7:27. He is not giving a commandment .
“Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.”
1 Corinthians 7:25-28 KJV
bible.com/1/1co.7.25-28.kjv
Constance - in matt 5:32 jesus is never giving us rights to divorce. Think about, can a married woman commit fornication? When jesus says only for fornication, he is talking about cases where someone is betrothed to a man, and she is found to be in fornication, then can the husband put her away. As in the case of Joseph and Mary. Matt1:18-19. Anna the prophetess lived with her husband for 7 years while she was a virgin. If she was found to be unfaithful during that betrothal he could put her away. That's why Paul told men, if they couldn't control themselves around their virgin that they were to get married. The only time a woman is freed from her husband is when he is dead. And that is the Bible truth. Pray and may the Lord give you wisdom in this. We don't accept Christ, and then all of a sudden freed from the wrong choices we made back then. Did you have bills before Jesus, do you stop paying them because you know Christ now?
Sorry for your situation. This man is a false teacher though. I debunk him check my comment above.
Thank you for this difficult teaching, Regards South Africa 🇿🇦 🌍
stand on your belief....and carry it through....and request people, in this to separate.....there is nothing wrong, with following the teaching, of Scripture....
Scripture does not request people to separate. You are adding to God's Word and that is indeed wrong.
@@nealdoster8556 really.....allowing one to live in adultery is Biblical.....how about same sex marriage or just living together......you, somehow invalidate a valid covenant, and change an act of adultery, into a valid covenant....how does this happen...
@@philipbuckley759 Actually Philip it is you who is changing God's Word. If you followed biblical precedents you would see that those who remarried after divorce were actually married to another as Jesus said. Believe God's Word in context and the way it is stated.
You're actually interpreting Jesus by thinking He meant the opposite of what He said.
@@nealdoster8556 then why does it say that they commit adultery....eh....
@@philipbuckley759 Grace to you Philip
When Jesus spoke to the subject of divorce He was directly speaking to His covenant people Israel. He revealed to them that divorce caused them to commit adultery when they remarry. It was a multi-factor conclusion based in their history and anyone who abbreviates His teaching by saying “remarriage is adultery” (an equation) totally misconstrues Jesus’ point. In context Jesus gave a retrospective observation of what ensued by Israel insisting on the right to put away their wives (Matthew 19:8). He focused on what accommodating their hard hearts ultimately caused by prematurely ending marriage.
The point Jesus was making to those who ask Him about divorce for every cause (Matt. 19:3) was to help them understand that divorce is NOT inconsequential. While there might be other relevant factors that matter when considering a given text we can simplify Jesus' teaching by understanding that He revealed the byproduct of divorce for both parties who remarry. They both transgress an exclusive obligation established by the first marriage and that transgression involves who they remarry. The simple point Jesus made about conceding divorce centered in the fact that God created marriage with certain obligations and those obligations are inadvertently transgressed by ending one marriage and constituting another.
Because remarriage was graciously allowed Jesus “cut to the chase” about what they caused (for both parties) by not sustaining their marriage. Jesus staged His counter argument about divorce over against the fact that marriage was created for life in the origin / beginning (Matt. 19:8b). Thereby revealing the reason for the paradox caused by allowing marriage to end before death. By conceding divorce to men who fail to love their wives, intrinsic obligations in marriage are subsequently transgressed. One of the main obligations of marriage is to be sexually exclusive to each the other for life. By conceding divorce the second marriage which was allowed under the law inadvertently violates that exclusivity. Thus the adultery Jesus described and the defilement Moses revealed in verse 4 of Deuteronomy 24.
The counter point Jesus made to the Pharisees chastised them for not sustaining their marriage by revealing it’s termination is the first and foremost cause for this way of committing adultery. This is the paradox of accommodating hard hearts. Any view that does not understand the paradox will NOT properly explain why this manner of adultery transpires. For instance other views are trying to explain the adultery as if the first marriage “survived divorce”. Conversely Jesus is directly revealing the byproduct of a marriage that does NOT survive. Both CANNOT be true.
Any view that theorizes that the adultery occurs because the first marriage survives causes more confusion for this issue. Unfortunately those views trend towards legalism to fix the situation. That’s what’s wrong with theories like “indissoluble marriage”, “indivisible one-flesh union”, or “the marriage covenant can’t be broken before death”. All of these theories are actually changing Jesus’ contextual argument about why this adultery occurs. They are making the marriage union unbreakable, Jesus on the other hand revealed the consequence of the marriage union being prematurely broken. Worse they are informing their adherents about “what God expects” by making them think they are “still married” to their former spouse. Inversive teaching has been a major source of the confusion for the Church on this issue. Ironically it is postulated by men who can be admired for defending marriage itself.
When the chronological facts are properly established in regard to Jesus teaching on this issue we see the concurrency of what He revealed with that which followed the Old Testament divorce concession. Thus the simultaneous reality that God allowed remarriage even though it inadvertently violated an exclusive obligation established by the former. The fact that adultery inadvertently ensued because of divorce is part and parcel of understanding Old Testament history. We MUST realize that remarriage was graciously allowed under the law despite what divorce staged for it. Blessings
Stop pandering John, to the liberal church. Stand on the scripture and take the backlash, your reward is in heaven, Brother!
Uffda Pastor John! Right on.
Romans 7:1-3
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
1 Corinthians 7:39
The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
Amen God bless u pastor
There is a tendency in each of us to play God, to want to be God. I see a lot of folks in the comment section wanting to play God. Simpletons that are not owning up to their responsibilities. This is so very common. Satan's breeding ground for the self righteousness want of hiding from the flames of hell. With a gospel of grace and not a gospel of works to go hand in hand with God's law, not one title shall be overlooked on the final judgement day. Believe that.
The Holy Spirit can direct each case himself ... seek answer and directions you and God
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My ex wife filed for divorce against me, and I granted it because she had a child by someone else. I'm now remarried. Does this mean I'm committing adultery?
@@tonydavisbusiness simply spoken, yes.....Matthew 5.....32, even though it refers to a woman, it seems to be the same, for a man....New International Version
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
@@philipbuckley759 But wouldnt one perhaps assume that the wife cheated and had the child while they were married (sexual immorality), thus at first glance the man followed Matt 19:9? How can he be in adultery then? Though of course we dont know whether the child occurred before their marriage but if not then the above would apply. The other thing of course is whether there was counselling and prayer etc and God's permission to remarry even if it was sexual immorality that occurred within the marriage in terms of infidelity. In, that, God does not automatically permit a divorce because His original desire is for no-one to divorce.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE PIPER'S ANSWER FOR THIS! THANKS....I know of a very difficult situation where a pastor went "crazy".....threatened some of the lives of people in his church and others. The wife finally left for her safety and that of the kids after so much trauma and him landing in jail and in the mental hospital several times. He wouldn't take his medication or get the counseling help he really needed. She had to get a "protection order" for herself and the kids. but the state she was in would only allow "separation" for 2 years and then she would have to get a divorce. She had no money, and the coalition that paid for this would only pay once...so she felt forced to get a divorce. SO MY QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU DO IF THE STATE FORCES YOU TO GET A DIVORCE? It's not right, but what if you really have no choice?
I have always struggled with this. My husband is quite literal; he is adamant that divorce is not acceptable, unless it's for adultery, and that remarriage is out of the question. I think that it's a horrible standard to enforce on people, especially those whose marriages ended in their twenties or thirties. Their spouse may have abused them, fallen out of love with them or something else, and now that person is no longer 'allowed' to have another chance at the intimacy and companionship that comes with marriage. I think that's awful.
It definitely is, just kick him/her to the curb and find true love, period. It's biblical. Shalom
Remarriage - An Adulterous Lifestyle 💔
Much as divorce is sinful, remarriage following divorce is yet more sinful. It is a step 🚶♀️ further against the moral laws of God. The Scriptures consistently describe remarriage while a person's partner lives as adultery.
Consider the following verses:
"And he saith unto them Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery" (Mark 10:11, 12).
"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and Whosoever marrieth her who is put away doth commit adultery" (Mathew 19:9).
"Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and Whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery" ( Luke 16:18).
"So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man" (Romans 7:3).
These Scriptures consistently describe remarriage as adultery. The Greek verb tense translated "committeth adultery" shows present continuous action, suggesting not simply an act of adultery, but a practice of adultery. The verse in Romans likewise shows that while a person's partner lives, remarriage is not a valid marriage👎, but an adulterous condition. There is an act of adultery- the sin of sexual union while married to another. There is also the condition of adultery - the sin of a marriage relationship with another while one's true 💑 marriage partner is living.
With such clear Scriptures, why would professing Christians ✝️ 🤔 attempt to justify divorce and remarriage? One lady who herself married a divorced man and later denounced her situation as an adulterous union described her downfall.
REASONING is one of satan's 😈 most effective weapons. How easy 😏 to reason away obedience to the Word of God. The eternal purpose ✨ 💛 of this life is not so much that we should be happy but that we should be holy. Yet there can be no true happiness apart from righteous living...
"I fasted and prayed 🙏 a great deal, seeking God for an answer directly from Himself. But, although I sought a word from Him, no word was given. Nothing. Complete 🔕 silence. Only later did it come home to me that it is vanity seek a rhema (utterance) from God when He has already so clearly spoken in the written Word. Yes, a word may come which contradicts what He has said in the Scriptures; but that word 🤔 comes from the wrong source 😈.
It is impossible to remarry with integrity while one's partner is still living. The treacherous spirit which leads to divorce is the same spirit which leads one to remarry. It is a betrayal 😔. In marriage , 💑 one can give his commitment to his partner, but in remarriage one can give only his treachery and 💔 broken trust.
- Christian Family Living, pgs 173-175, John Coblentz.
Well, you take the homosexuality part pretty literal.. so I guess, it comes and goes? You can't take things that you agree with literal and question the things you disagree with. Thats cherry picking and its pure hypocrisy. You stick to it or don't, there is no middle ground. So even if a wife gets abused by her husband, she can't divorce, because it is adultery.
It’s a hard saying
Yes it is hard living that life. I am living it. Unfortunately the other party did not want to participate and I don't know where they are or anything. But I know what the bible says and I will not remarry unless my ex passes away before me. It's a hard road, but narrow is the way. I'm not throwing away my salvation or walk with God for anything! But yes, it is very very hard. I'm only surviving because of the power of Jesus!
Yes, you can remarry if your spouse has died, a conversation u must have with God first before u do that, remember you are no longer your own.😊
Everyone else must remain single if they have divorced and their spouse is still alive.
You break the laws of the spirit and cause other people to sin, God will hold you accountable!
In Matthew 19:9 says otherwise
@@edelweiss120 Did you not watch this video?
If this is true, I'm not getting married
That is actually a great reply! That's how the disciples replied! But, you shall not fornicate either remember that. Sexual activity is for those who are committed in marriage.
The Bible says that Christians should not divorce on flimsy grounds. However, violence, adultery are grounds for divorce.
Gotta disagree with him on this one. porneia means fornication or idolatry(sexual).
Fornication is defined as:
1. voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other.
2. (Bible.) idolatry.
3. voluntary sexual intercourse outside [of a] marriage.
4. (law) voluntary sexual intercourse between two persons of the opposite sex, where one is or both are unmarried.
5. (Bible) sexual immorality in general, esp adultery.
Fornication is not defined as just two young people who haven't been married yet having sexual relations.
My dad was unrepentantly gay (he lied to her and everyone, even himself, and was repentant at first begging God to change him, but then quit resisting and started cheating a few years into the marriage). He also got abusive, stealing Mom's identity to wrack up debt, and also taking out life insurance on her which made her scared for her life. When my mom found out about his affairs, the divorce proceedings started. He later "married" a man. My mom, though she dated for a while, lost all desire for a husband and stayed single.
I think the command is plainly stated: "But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." Divorce is fully within their rights. But my mom went forward with it super carefully, not wanting to do something that contravened God's law; she sought much counsel with godly men in ministry, and they assured her the scriptures upheld her right for divorce. She did not divorce him happily, as if with a cold and hardened heart; she was brokenhearted over the divorce and greatly wounded over it till the day she died.
"Don't commit adultery" is a pretty hard word as well; don't do it, otherwise the spouse is within his or her rights. "Apostasy" is also considered the spiritual form of fornication or adultery.
I agree. Adultury leaves you with such a broken heart - it is difficult to recover.
Risa Fey ... I agree with you! It CLEARLY says, as you point out "But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, SAVING FOR THE CAUSE OF FORNICATION, causeth her to commit adultery....(emphasis mine). Notice the word SAVING!!! Jesus gave a exception for a Divorce. Elsewhere the Bible says if an unbeliever leaves...let them leave! I'm not saying run out an file the very day your spouse cheats on you, but if after much prayer and fasting the spouse refuses to stop, I don't believe it is God's heart for someone to continue on for years of such abuse. Have a listen to "Michael Chriswell" on this topic. You can tell how much this man loves the Lord and obeys Him!
You must prove your definition of fornication instead of just making assertions. I can easily claim a word means something without giving any evidence of that meaning and it be wrong. So show from the Bible that fornication includes adultery.
Why not take the early Church view on divorce, which is essentially the same as the video?
@@35snarf which of my two wives can I divorce?
Well my hopefully soon to be ex-wife abandoned me and our two kids for her boyfriend she apparently was having an affair for two months. I gave my life to Christ and everything came to the light.
I tried to reconcile with her even though she did that and she wants to party and got into witchcraft and drugs. She filed for divorce and then I learn of abuse towards our kids from her. I don’t see how I am bound to her anymore. She’s been gone 4 months and in those 4 months she’s literally tried abducting our kids even though I have the custody under these temporary orders. Then she paid some drug addicts to try and jump me too. If anyone was free of their marriage I feel like it would be me. I literally fought for our marriage.
People divorce because of selfish “hardness of heart”. God never intended divorce, He hates divorce. I will not be one of the “hardness of heart”.
Richard Cha Amen
I would love to hear your honest opinion. My husband confessed to an affair and admitted to other affairs prior to this one. He asked me for a divorce, I was broken and repentative of all my wrongdoings but he assured me I didn't do anything wrong, It was simply his choice to be with this woman. When I asked him what about our family, his response was "what family", when I told him that he knows I don't believe in divorce, we made a promise and commitment before God and witnesses his response was he might go to hell one day but thats fine with him. I was more than willing to work through our problems (that I didn't even know existed) but he was simply done. Does that make me an adulterer? This has been weighing very heavily on my heart since I believed my husband to be a kind, humble God fearing man when we got married.
As I understand because we became one flesh when we married his sins are mine and my sins are his. So because he commitment adultery I'm already seen as an adulterer. That's also why I don't believe in remarriage, because my husband is still alive our covenant is still in force.
I will not force him to come back, I always tried to respect and follow my husbands leadership.
I have asked God for guidance in this matter and said that if he removed my husband from my life for a reason and wanted me to remarry to show me when He brings the new person into my life. I have cut myself of from the outside world, to limit my exposure to a sinful single life. I only leave my house to go to the shops, our child's school and visit a handful of friends. My husband moved out 9 months ago, got engaged to this woman 7 months ago, but we are not divorced yet.
How are things now ? Would like to know any updates from you . May God be with you and guide you sister 🙏❤️ i know your pain
@@Taniastf Hi, nothing much has changed. Hr still hasn't finalized the divorce he started, tgus has cost me almost a year's wages until now just to defend myself and our child. He has not contributed one cent towards our child in the last year. He is still with this woman, although with our child's last visit his and our child's clothes were packed in a suitcase, when our child asked why, he told her its because they were painting the inside of his wardrobe, but the woman later told my child he wanted to leave and she laughed in his face and waived him goodbye, he stayed when he realized he had nowhere to go. In the interim they are still trying to make my life a living nightmare. He is trying to steel money from me, trying to take my car away, sending mean messages to me and my friends via our child. Driving past my house or following me. I am ignoring everything coming from that side to try and keep the peace, but I know my friends are getting angry and I need to beg them not to react. I am being honest when I say I sometimes wish God will send me someone who will stand by my side and protect me. I don't think I was put on this planet to be someone's bank card or backup plan. But I am still willing to accept and walk the path God has planned for me.
@IcU81 what a life you are living , this is definitely not what God has for you . Could you get any help so far to get rid of this man ? How os your family supporting you ? Or friends? Local church?
@@IcU81 First off, let me say that I am truly sorry for what you are going through. There are really no words that could truly do any justice to what you are feeling and experiencing right now.
If I may share the following in line with God's Word:
- Your husband is not a Christian. That is ultimately the issue. Based on your description, he is not counting his own cost to follow Christ (Luke 9:23, Luke 14:33, Gal 5:24), is not loving his wife as Christ loved the church (Eph 5:25-33) and has no interest in the glory of Christ within your marriage (1 Cor 10:31). Your husband is/was committing adultery with this woman he is/was "engaged" (big quotes) to. Accordingly to 1 Cor 6:9, he will not enter heaven as all adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God. These are the telltale marks of a "worker of iniquity" that Christ rejects in Matt 7:23. So your prayer should really be focused on his salvation, his need to be reconciled to a holy God, and that the Lord will give him a broken contrite heart that cries out for mercy from the Lord (in repentance and faith in Christ alone). This may be difficult to do in your current circumstances, so ask the Lord to help you forgive your husband and to give you a burden for your husband's soul.
- You are NOT an adulterer because of your husband's actions. There is no scripture that says that you are culpable for your husband's sins. Could a spouse have actions that tempts the other spouse to sin (1 Cor 8:9, 1 Cor 7:5)? Possibly. But even then, each person is culpable for their own sins.
- You are in a 1 Cor 7:15 situation. You have an unbelieving spouse who wants to depart. In order to maintain peace, let him depart while concurrently praying that your husband will be regenerated by the Holy Spirit of truth (John 16:13) and that you may be reconciled to one another in Christ (1 Cor 7:11) as a testimony.
- You really need a faithful church community around you where the Bible is authoritative in doctrine and in application. This is true for any believer, particularly for yourself. Try to form a relationship with a godly woman who is mature in her walk with Christ. Ideally she will encourage you, read the Word of God with you, pray with you and love you as a sister in Christ. In your description of recent events with your husband, I see no mention about how the church is being salt and light to this situation. That is concerning.
I regret having to say this, but beware of Pastors that advocate for 2 x exception divorce/remarriage. Long story short, you and your husband are still married in the eyes of the Lord:
- Luke 16:18
- Mark 10:11-12
- Rom 7:2-3
- 1 Cor 7:10-11
- 1 Cor 7:39
Matt 5:32 and Matt 19:9 (except for sexual immorality) means except for fornication (porneia - pre marital sexual relations). It is not an exception to divorce/remarry if a spouse commits adultery. This "exception clause" only appears in Matthew (written to a Jewish audience) and it doesn't appear in Mark or Luke (written to a gentile audience). This exception was only for the Jewish believers who practiced betrothal. A betrothed couple could divorce if there was found to be sexual immorality PRIOR to full marriage. As an example, see Matt 1:19 where Joseph was going to divorce Mary quietly when he found out she was pregnant during their betrothal.
1 Cor 7:15 is a reference to when an unbeliever departs, the believing spouse is no longer "bound" (other translations: bondage / enslaved). The word literally means "enslaved". This verse is simply saying that a believing spouse should not have to endure the unbelievers Godless actions and that the Lord would want the believing spouse to live in peace. It is NOT saying that the believing spouse is free to remarry, as that would contradict the verses listed above.
With all this said, your husband is obviously lost. Pray for his salvation. In the meantime, get engrained with a gospel centric, sound doctrine church where you can be encouraged, protected, discipled and fed the Word of God. Concurrently, try to seek the Lord regarding your own heart.
Last but not least, consider meditating on the following scriptures:
- Psalm 3:3
- Psalm 18
- Psalm 23
- Psalm 71
- Psalm 91
- John 6:37
- John 16:33
- Rom 8:28
- Rom 8:35-39
- 1 Cor 10:13
Will be praying for your husband's salvation, as well as God's grace for you and your child.
I believe the when the scripture says that you will be made an adulteress, it means you are being placed in a position where you will be tempted to enter an adulterous relationship or remarriage. You are not an adulteress simply because he left you for another woman.
John, I read your articles and sermons on your position on divorce and remarriage. I dismissed you as wrong. After careful study of dt 22, dt 24, Matt, Mark, Luke, I found myself coming to the same radical conclusion that you hold by the simple studying of all the scriptures. I dismissed your teaching but realize it is the only logical conclusion. Only in this position do the scriptures agree and make sense.
Tin Star I have 100% gone through the same ... disagreement to understanding I struggled in my marriage and wanted my own understanding, but after I carefully studied the word I've come to the same conclusion. The word is way too clear on this, using the Bible to refute it is the only way to argue this point... things like " I feel" etc... point out the problem with the divorce issue. Amen
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Did this careful study include poorly defined Greek words and articles referencing the same original argument that someone made years ago that no longer holds up today? Most of the internet is saturated with them. My heart goes out to those who have been divorced against their will and have watched their ex spouses move on and sleep with dozens of strangers. Forgiveness is necessary, but reconciliation is not. I see a lot of problems with inviting a spouse like this back in order to reconcile. Disease is a big one on the list. Sometimes we should be left with the consequences of our bad behaviour and poor choices, separate ourselves from the innocent victims we've created, and allow them the option to find someone who doesn't abuse their relationships. I believe in divorce and remarriage.
@@oatneil Although I am convinced that one should not remarry after divorce unless spouse dies, I would rather err on this side if I wasn't convinced. Eternity isn't worth the temporary screwups we make here on the earth during the age of Grace.
@@oatneilmany married couples are hypocrites, cheating and resent each other but remained married yet divorced in spirit and body.
What a facade what white washed sepulchres .Only people in their ivory towers can be critical of divorced people who suffered immensely with much persecution and were served with divorce papers by the guilty spouse after being caught out for habitual infidelity.
I fail to see a Christ who says "you made the bed, you sleep on it." If earthly parents wont want their child to suffer in a terrible marriage i dont think Our Heavenly Father will want any of His children to be abused emotionally by giving them a law as man does to suffer in a marriage .
The pharisees added burdens upon people with their opinions and teachings, Jesus brought an easy yoke and a light burden!
1cor 15 says if the spouse wants to go, let them go, for the peace of the child of God! Well it seems some pastors are better than God and st Paul!
Ivory Tower advice destroys, Jesus left His Home in Glory and gave us His advice from a cruel suffering Cross!
Jesus knows! He knows our grief and suffering, He is well acquainted with it. He is more than able to redeem us from a toxic marriage! And by the way marriage is not eternal as blessed as it aught to be, its only for this earth!!!
Remarriage - An Adulterous Lifestyle 💔
Much as divorce is sinful, remarriage following divorce is yet more sinful. It is a step 🚶♀️ further against the moral laws of God. The Scriptures consistently describe remarriage while a person's partner lives as adultery.
Consider the following verses:
"And he saith unto them Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery" (Mark 10:11, 12).
"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and Whosoever marrieth her who is put away doth commit adultery" (Mathew 19:9).
"Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and Whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery" ( Luke 16:18).
"So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man" (Romans 7:3).
These Scriptures consistently describe remarriage as adultery. The Greek verb tense translated "committeth adultery" shows present continuous action, suggesting not simply an act of adultery, but a practice of adultery. The verse in Romans likewise shows that while a person's partner lives, remarriage is not a valid marriage👎, but an adulterous condition. There is an act of adultery- the sin of sexual union while married to another. There is also the condition of adultery - the sin of a marriage relationship with another while one's true 💑 marriage partner is living.
With such clear Scriptures, why would professing Christians ✝️ 🤔 attempt to justify divorce and remarriage? One lady who herself married a divorced man and later denounced her situation as an adulterous union described her downfall.
REASONING is one of satan's 😈 most effective weapons. How easy 😏 to reason away obedience to the Word of God. The eternal purpose ✨ 💛 of this life is not so much that we should be happy but that we should be holy. Yet there can be no true happiness apart from righteous living...
"I fasted and prayed 🙏 a great deal, seeking God for an answer directly from Himself. But, although I sought a word from Him, no word was given. Nothing. Complete 🔕 silence. Only later did it come home to me that it is vanity seek a rhema (utterance) from God when He has already so clearly spoken in the written Word. Yes, a word may come which contradicts what He has said in the Scriptures; but that word 🤔 comes from the wrong source 😈.
It is impossible to remarry with integrity while one's partner is still living. The treacherous spirit which leads to divorce is the same spirit which leads one to remarry. It is a betrayal 😔. In marriage , 💑 one can give his commitment to his partner, but in remarriage one can give only his treachery and 💔 broken trust.
- Christian Family Living, pgs 173-175, John Coblentz.
From what I understand unless the spouse is cheating on you you're not supposed to divorce but if you do get divorcedyou're never supposed to remarry again but only if the significant other is cheating on you you get divorced and you can remarry again from what I understand if I'm not mistaken
No bound for life remain single or be reconciled!!
NOT UNDER BONDAGE.......
Ricky B
If the unbelieving depart..... let him depart. A brother or sister is not under the bondage of servitude [Greek word Douloo] because of the separation, but should intercede for the salvation of the departed one, praying for his/her salvation and for reconciliation.
A Testimony from a Sister in Christ :
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But just to be clear, here is something I recently discovered:
I finally looked up the Greek and compared what Paul said about a woman being bound to her husband as long as he lives (1 Corinthians 7:39), and how when the unbelieving spouse leaves, the other spouse is not 'bound' in such circumstances (1 Cor. 7:15). Did you know that 'bound' is two different Greek words in these verses?
1 Corinthians 7:39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.
'bound' is the Greek verb 'deo'
deó: to tie, bind
Original Word: δέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: deó
Phonetic Spelling: (deh'-o)
Short Definition: I bind
Definition: I bind, tie, fasten; I impel, compel; I declare to be prohibited and unlawful.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. verb
Definition
to tie, bind
NASB Translation
bind (7), binding (1), binds (2), bound (23), imprisoned (4), prisoners (1), put...in chains (1), tied (4).
Now, in 1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.
'bound' is the Greek word 'douloo'
1402. douloó ►
Strong's Concordance
douloó: to enslave, bring under subjection
Original Word: δουλόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: douloó
Phonetic Spelling: (doo-lo'-o)
Short Definition: I enslave
Definition: I enslave.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1402 doulóō - enslave (passive, "become enslaved"), focusing on the status of being a bond-slave. In contrast to the other verb-form of the same root (1398 /douleúō), 1402 (doulóō) stresses the results (effects) of enslavement. That is, what automatically goes with belonging to another. See 1401 (doulos).
So there is a difference between the bond between a husband and wife (for life) and this being 'bound' or 'under bondage'.
So I am still bound to my husband (married in God's eyes, no matter what man says), but not under bondage to him. He does not rule over me, but I am not free to marry someone else because he is still my husband.
It is interesting that Paul says these two things in the same chapter
First he says the believer is not 'bound' under the circumstance of their unbelieving spouse leaving them, and then he says that a wife is 'bound' to her husband as long as he is still living. It seems to contradict, but it doesn't. It's a different word.
help everyone No, that’s what Piper is trying to explain- there is not exception for divorce- not for adultery or desertion. Marriage is for life. Remarriage is not an option in God’s design. Read His word. This is not what most modern Western churches are teaching, but it was what Jesus spoke directly.
Note how Pastor John admits that most pastors disagree with him on this subject. Also the gospels are not seen as part of the Greek literature but were most likely written in Aramaic, unlike the letters to the early church.
Note that most people thought the earth was flat, and most people thought the Titanic couldn't be sunk, and most people spend more money than they make, and most people live with their partners before marriage, and most people don't accept Christ according to Christ....
You'd be a fool to gauge truth by asking the majority for their opinion rather than reading the Bible with your own eyes. The verse is very simple to understand...we just don't want it to be that way so we invent nonsense reasoning or justifications...just like Eve did, just like Adam did...as it's the root of sin nature...to sin, and then justify sin sinfully (rejecting what God says in preference for having things our way from apathy toward God)
"And this is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the Light; for their deeds were evil."
His argument is hinged on a flawed definition of pornea.
What is the flaw
there is no flaw. They just want things 1 way. Their way
@@montyobrien6345 probably that pornea is sexual immorality, changed by Erasmus, from fornication, a completely different meaning....
To the point he made at the end, none of the marriages ended in divorce BUT so many of them had concubines. So what’s the deal with that Mr Piper
Till death do you part. If said in a vow one should keep it or better never to say it.
Funny enough the same preacher that stood to help people pounce this, will help them re-pronounce it with another person while the first is still alive.
This is why its better to be single, even in the bible it says that its better to be single
I listened to your explanation of these "exception" verses starting at 1:40 in the video over and over and I can't fathom how you're getting this interpretation off these verses. You twist the word and add your own stipulation by saying the person has to be repentant, with no biblical verse to back that up. Then you accuse any man of divorcing a repentant adulterer of being unchristian. This is your opinion/teaching, not the Christian God of the bible.
Immortal Pilot I agree with and if I’m wrong correct me but I’m Matthew 19:9 Jesus said whosoever shall put away his “WIFE”, why do people including him say that Jesus was saying if you find out she was sexually immoral before you marry her? If he used the term WIFE then doesn’t that mean they were already married?
Is till don't understand why commandment 4 is obsolete but adultery is a sin.
@@GregSmith-ne7mw read Deuteronomy 22:23-24. The Jews at the time of Christ called the betrothed husband and wife as soon as they signed the marriage contract.
Gregory & Immortal, keep doing your research. Piper is far from the only one teaching marriage permanence. Also, take a look at the history of when the church started to allow for divorce. Keep digging, Brothers, and God will reveal the truth to you if you allow Him.
The divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32, and Matthew 19:9. However, the wife in Matthew 5:31-32 is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews that Jesus was speaking to were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command.
The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death.
The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. But when Jesus died on the cross, he caused the Jews to be dead to the law of Moses so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the law of Moses over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the whole law is no longer possible for those in Israel and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15.
The phrase "sexual immorality" being used in Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:9, in place of "fornication", creates conflict with what is written about fornication and adultery in Hosea 4:13-14, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, and Galatians 5:19-21.
Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife.
Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned by the unbeliever, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way they word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not under bondage," which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, when this is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 has the Apostle Paul giving permission to remarry do not understand that the abandoned husband in 1 Corinthians 7:11 is expected to also remain unmarried, in order to be reconciled with his wife. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh in marriage puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, by implying that he has issued an opposing command.
Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men, and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16.
The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly about virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a father with a virgin daughter who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command to a third party, the father, and not a divorced man who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the father who decides it is better for his daughter not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which means that fathers of virgin daughters in the congregation do well if they choose to allow their betrothed virgin to marry, and fathers, who choose not to allow their virgin daughters to marry do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unlawful unions.
The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24.
Mark 10:1-12 is the same biblical record of Matthew 19:1-12, which both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel, because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans and Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching.
I disagree Sir. My wife got caught sleeping with another man. She betrayed me and I divorced her cause I could not accept that she cheated. She broke the Covenant. It was not my fault.
The same happened to me. John Piper is Wrong
@@johnbrees22 I'm sorry to hear that. This is a really hard teaching. Remeber even the disciples said it's better to not marry.
The bible does allow for divorce if there is infidelity
No, it does not. Only after your spouses death can you remarry. Marriage is till death
+LADYWILSONEJ audrey sadoval did not mention an allowance for 're-marriage', only the allowance for divorce.
audrey sandoval no
Porneia means incest
Not adultery
That’s why the vows say till death do us part !!!!
The bible does not allow for divorce if there is infedelityThe bible does allow for divorce at death.[for you Mormons out there].There is a Lot of "confusion" out there.Con means "with"---fusion means "a blending of what Gods says with what the world says."Make up your mind and choose one or the other.
I agree with this. Its scriptural
This is WRONG. Piper is teaching a false interpretation of Scripture. Insane nonsense. Ignore him folks! There is no requirement for a betrayed spouse to stay single for the rest of their life!
False interpretation of scripture? When you have ZERO evidence for ANY of the supernatural claims made by the bible, why does it matter how someone interprets the stories?
Remain alone or be reconciled. The only two options for as long as first spouses live. And if a marriage is actually adultery in the eyes of God, it should be forsaken in repentance like any other sin.
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All those videos... full of people PRETENDING to know things they do not know... and not one tiny piece of evidence that their invisible god is real...
Nicholas Flamel what evidence would you accept bc I'd say there's a fair bit of evidence
Ignore Nichoas Flamel.
I certainly respect Dr. piper’s convictions and I agree with him on a lot of things, but I disagree with him on this particular one. One Corinthians 7 I believe talks about if the unbelieving spouse departs, and I’m sure that would go for any spouse, let them depart and the person is not bound. Certainly this would have to include adultery. Forgiveness is one thing. Trust is entirely another. Although I certainly would question the motives of why one would not want to have restoration with a penitent spouse. I also know that when you commit adultery that is the ultimate betrayal. So certainly there can be reconciliation by the miracle power of God, but I do not believe One is obligated to stay in the marriage when a spouse is committing adultery. And I also believe they would be free to marry since the other individual broke the covenant. In saying that, I certainly think God that many marriages are restored and to come back from these things.
That verse obviously dos NOT include adultery...it speaks to an unbelieving spouse leaving a believer...let them go, the believer is now free from God's law of marriage....doesn't say anywhere that if either party commits adultery and DOESN'T leave that then either is then free to divorce.... no grounds for the believer to divorce..no grounds for the unbeliever to divorce....
Keep your finger in the text Ryan....and read it without adding to it...
@@locophoto6881 first of all, one Corinthians is written to believers. The epistles are written to believers. You can find that in the beginning part of chapter 1. Also, Jesus himself taught that if you divorce someone in order to marry someone else, you commit adultery and we are told by some scholars that that is actually how the Greek would read. We have to take the whole of what the word teaches so Jesus did make allowance for divorce if sexual immorality is there. If repentance is not exercised, one is not obligated to stay with someone that is an unrepentant adulterer. No one is advocating divorce. No one is advocating remarriage,. And when Paul in one Corinthians 7 when talking about if the unbelieving spouse departs, let us know that if they depart the other one is not bound and yes that is speaking to the believer. If they are not bound, it would stand to reason that they are not bound. That is what I was attempting to say. Your instruction on how to read is not appropriate and neither are ad hominem attacks. I was graciously pointing out my loving disagreement and I do not need you to be rude. I can tell by your tone that we would never agree on this anyway so I will not respond to anything you say from this point
@@ryandawson2877 Impressive how much Grace you can share to a Brother simply because you "know" we'll disagree..THAT is one classy stance amigo....and I"m sure you've made a great example of God's Grace by telling me off like that. Seventy times seven for the followers of Christ...but Ryan?...ahhh...Ryan thinks he can get offended once and he's outta here on this following Jesus thing. And news flash....God takes a tone in certain circumstances...and is even playful...and other times very challenging...but you're too busy throwing a fit to hear any sound reasoning so I'll just leave this comment here in case you ever grow up a little and manage to figure out that on a public Internet forum you're going to run into Brothers that disagree with you. Life is going to be REAL hard until you can talk to people with differing opinions my man.
God is not guiding me to believe in this teaching. I believe adultery with another person is a choice. The adulterer made a decision to break the covenant or to become one flesh with another person.
1 Corinthians 6:16-19.
Man can break a covenant. Jeremiah 34:18-21
I believe the act of adultery violates man's law and God's law.
Man's law
It is a crime in my state to commit adultery.
Class B Misdemeanor Crime maximum penalty up to 3 months imprisonment and a 500.00 fine.
If you commit adultery in the military, you might face major penalties!
The spouse or lover might be harmed or killed. You never know the mental state of the innocent spouse.
God's Law -
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Consequences of adultery
Loss of honor and strength Proverbs:9-11, a ruined reputation Proverbs 5:14, bondage and death Proverbs 5:22-23, self-destruction Proverbs 6:32, and vengeance of a jealous husband Proverbs 6:34
My other thoughts:
Exception clauses are addressing a special kind of a woman: A virgin!
I know my wife wasn't a virgin when I married her. I believe things would have been different if I married a virgin. During Biblical times a women's virginity was precious and expected. Deuteronomy 22:13-30
Women were totally depended on men for survival. Matthew 5:32.
I actually saw a modern scenario play out in a documentary. A lady with children was living in a country in the Middle East. Her husband went off to fight in a war. He never returned. She was unable to find work. One day she met a man, and he gave her money for sex. Now she works as a prostitute.
I know a man whose wife denied sex with him for years. He was a good provider and took care of most of her wants and needs. Well, she cheated with him for 5 years. Opening her legs to another man. This other man is a womanizer. The possibility of a sexual disease is out there. She was caught twice, but never really came clean. There could be other men.
He is now seeking a divorce.
I know another man who caught his wife in their home with another man. She ended up cheating on the other man, too! He divorced her and is now remarried.
I think one must be careful telling a person he's going to hell, because a man divorces his wife for adultery. Some people become traumatized (betrayal trauma) and its best to divorce the cheating partner for mental health reasons.
I find it interesting that so many people are confused on this topic. Some say you can't divorce; others say you can, but you have to remain single. The top theologians are split over this issue. These are individuals who spend tons of years reading and interpreting Biblical and Jewish writings.
I think it's best to get closer to God, vs listening to people point fingers at one another on youtube.
Go to a strong Biblical church, fast and pray, read your Bible and ask for understanding.
For those honestly seeking truth with no malice 1 Samuel 16:7 Proverbs 16:1-3
For those pointing fingers John 8:7.
God Bless!
But it doesn't mean that it is allowed or permitted, it is encouraged/endorsed. What if the Bible allows divorce in this situation but that doesn't mean the Bible is endorsing it. It's like "Even though you are permitted to divorce your spouse, you should not divorce him/her (yet).
It is the remarriage that is the real danger.
You should separate from anyone who is hurting you.
But for those who make the Bible the authority over their lives, need to read it and know what it says.
Romans 7:2-3
If you need to leave it's ok, but don't divorce or remarry either.
It seems clear to me that a marriage only truly ends in one of 2 ways. One of the partners dies or commits adultery. Divorce is automatic upon death of one of the partners and is allowed upon commission of adultery by one of the partners. You dont have to divorce if one commits adultery, but you are allowed to do so if they do. Because they betrayed their vows to you and to god by committing adultery. Remarrying is alltogether a completely different issue, but the question of divorce to me is quite clearly written out in the scriptures.
the exception is fornication, not adultery.....do a word study.....
@@philipbuckley759 Are you trying to say that fornication is okay? Because its not, what are you saying?
@@user-nj5cl6xs4nwell adultery could be texting, fornication would be the act.
Guys, John 8 was added to the 300 AD Carthage bible in 1200 AD, it's not even part of the Cannon and has parentheses for a reason.
Way too extreme like usual. 1 Cor. 7 says divorce stay single, then in 24-28 saying a virgin and divorced or anyone really can marry and not sin alluding to. McArthur has better stuff on this, even though Rom. 11:22-23 neglect like John.
Most Christians are ignorant to the fact of the four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) being Old Testament books, NOT New Testament; they were still under Mosaic Law, thus must be interpreted in light of this fact. Jesus NEVER taught against the Torah (Matt. 5:17-18)(Gal. 4:4)
*Supposed Perpetual adultery clause (Luke 16:18)(Matt. 5:31-32):
a. Herod Philip married Herodias. When Herod Antipas visited his brother, he wanted Herodias for a wife for himself. So Herod Antipas put away his own wife, and married Herodias. She, of course, had to depart from Herod Philip first. The Jewish law does not permit such behavior (Lev. 18:16; 20:21). John the Baptist
continually said this was wrong. When he did this, he made Herodias very angry. So Herod Antipas ordered John's arrest & beheading. (Mark 6:14-28)(Matt. 14:1-11)
b. Therefore, the supposed perpetual adultery clause comes from a misunderstanding of Jesus’ words in Luke, who in protest of Herod Antipas, he condemned the relationship as adulterous which means that he rejected the legitimacy of the marriage because he stole his brother’s wife, which violates commandments 6,7, and 9.
c. Besides this shameful laxity, the Pharisees had never had the courage to denounce the adulterous marriage and disgraceful divorce of which Herod Antipas had been guilty.
d. Jesus was referring to putting/sending away ones wife (Heb.- shalach)(Grk.- apoluo) without the written certificate of divorce (Heb.- sepher kerituth)(Grk.- apostasion) and marrying another causes adultery if one is remarried. God cares more about the needs of people than He does the institution. (Matt. 12:1-8)(1 Cor. 7:1-2, 27-28)
*Note, If a person accepts the inspiration and infallibility of the Scriptures, then it cannot stand that what Jesus said in Matthew carries more authority than what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 7 or Moses in Deut. 24 . All men spoke from God (2 Pet. 1:21) and each of them complement each other’s teaching in reflecting the Holy Spirit’s inspiration (2 Tim. 3:16-17).
The marriages in the Old Testament were horrible so is that good? Is that how marriages are suppose to be? I’m really wondering. And at minute 5:00 he says God doesn’t divorce his people but in the bible it says God divorced Israel Jeremiah 3:8-10. Isn’t what he said contradictory? I’m just seeking for answers. What if your heart doesn’t grow warm to somebody and you don’t want them back, should you live in a “miserable marriage” like he stated?
yes scripture is clear
What about abusers? I don't think it's fair if you leave an abuser and never get to love again.
What is love to you? If you are abused and just can stop loving, that is not biblical love. If you think the grass is greener just you because you find someone who doesn't abuse, you are deceiving yourself. Be slow and careful to get married because when you do, you have signed up to be one flesh with that person for your life. Do not keep yourself in harms way, but do not abandon them by divorcing them. Wait and pray for them. That is God's heart.
@@klooster97great advice. Holiness over happiness
I have a question please as a single person:
ROMANS 7:1-3 reads:
"Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law [a]has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man"
However,
"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree. '' Galatians 3:13....
Why then are we still bound by the law??
So the conclusion is,
Does God allow the divorce for adultery and multiple affairs along the marriage ?
Or only Death can breaks the marriage ?
What if the betrayed insists to divorce and keep blaming and doesnt want to forgive whole life , but the unfaithful spouse willing to repent and save the marriage ?
Didn’t Jesus forgave the woman who committed adultery?
I agree with a lot of Pastor John’s teaching, especially in regards to marriage and divorce because he desires to please God by not doing what God hates, in this case divorce. But, he never explained what Jesus meant when He said “except for”, meaning that our Lord made an exception which appears to be sexual immorality. Can someone from Desiring God please tell us Pastor John’s interpretation of Jesus saying “except”?
In those days, the engagement period was considered marriage expect you didn't consummate it until the official marriage day. If a man found out his fiance was not a virgin, then he could legally divorce her and not continue with the marital preparations. This is how it relates to Mary and Joseph. They were engaged and committed for marriage but he was going to divorce her because she waa pregnant with Jesus.
If it's not the betrothal period (written in the gospel written to the jews but not seen in the other gospels) the exception clause allows for divorce but is silent on remarriage.
Elsewhere it says if a man divorces his wife (no exception given) he causes her to commit adultery. This is because a woman is bound to her husand for as long she lives.
Yes bc stoning to death isn’t an option today. Adultery is the breaking of a covenant.
Amen sir!
I am coming across the views of marriage permanence. I was a late convert. I have a married a divorced man. I believe this makes me an adultress. However his first (covenant) wife is remarried. Therefore I stumble on this verse:
Deuateronomy 24:4 then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the LORD, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance.
this may be true...but 1 Corinthians 7.11 gives us our options.....1 Corinthians 7:11, NASB: "(but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband is not to divorce his wife." the Bible does not say....reconcile, if possible, but reconcile....so if one can not reconcile one can....remain single.....here is where the emotional aspect kicks in....it is considered too great an inconvenience....to be obeyed.....you have to consider if this is a salvation issue....that adulterers shall not inherit the Kingdom, of God....it is an open secret that the majority of Christianity will give you a....pass....but they will not answer, for you, on judgement day....
Grace to you Joy
Notice that this Permanence Pastor does NOT advocate divorce for those remarried. It's NOT taught in God's Word so many Permanence Pastors don't teach that theory. They don't follow the deductive suppositions of those who do. You can deduce anything from God's Word if you take it out of context. While Jesus did reveal that ending a marriage causes one to commit adultery when they remarry, He said that in reference to those who were allowed to remarry (Deut. 24:2). After remarriage the former husband was not allowed to remarry his ex-wife (v.4). He is called former because that was what he was, FORMER.
The present husband was the current husband and they were to be faithful to one another. There is NO "divorce to repent" instruction in God's Word. The adultery was the inadvertent consequence of not fulfilling an obligation intrinsic to marriage. It was NOT the adultery of being unfaithful while married (which was the adultery that broke the law). There is NO uniform belief among Permanence Pastors about divorcing one's present spouse. So don't get caught up by those who use fear to drive you to their conclusions.
There is NO prohibition for remarriage (as presumed) in Jesus’ teaching. It may well be used as a deterrence for divorce (as was Jesus point) but prohibiting remarriage is a false supposition interjected into His teaching by those who think the adultery is the same as that punished under the law. If we place Jesus’ teaching within the history to which He referred we then can see that there is no prohibition for remarriage in either. Remarriage (itself) was not sinful and did not require repentance. In Jesus' teaching on the matter He was emphasizing the importance of staying married because it avoids violating an exclusive obligation set forth by the first marriage. But He NEVER taught the second marriage was illegitimate or for them to forsake their present spouse. This made up repentance causes sin.
Thinking Jesus prohibited remarriage is a false supposition imposed into His teaching. Jesus did NOT address the matter of who can remarry. He is NOT speaking dis-favorably about remarriage. In context Jesus is making a counter argument against divorce by establishing what it causes for remarriage. The obvious solution resides in His admonition for them to stop separating the one-flesh union (Matthew 19:6). That’s as far as He took it. He made an argument for sustaining marriage. He changed nothing about divorce being conceded or the fact that remarriage was graciously allowed.
By understanding this issue from a chronological perspective we can determine that it was many years later that the Apostle Paul (while addressing questions submitted to him by the church of Corinth / 1 Cor. 7:1) restricted remarriage under one of the circumstances he enumerates (v. 11). This is the only remarriage restriction following divorce and it proves that prohibiting remarriage is unique in God’s Word. That’s why it’s important to understand biblical facts chronologically. That way biblical precedents reveals that keeping people out of marriage was NOT God’s will either. Marriage is the right place for sexual expression and Paul reveals that those formerly married should remarry instead of burn with passion (1 Cor. 7:8, 9).
Some Pastors have put the “horse before the cart” (so to speak) chronologically by reading Paul’s prohibition as if Jesus had already prohibited remarriage. Thus they are theorizing that “remarriage was prohibited” by Jesus when in fact it was not. Believing that rearranges the chronology about when and to what extent remarriage was actually prohibited in God’s Word. It subverts a persons perspective by exchanging the uniqueness of prohibiting remarriage with that of a uniform prohibition. In the New Testament we don’t actually have one exception for remarriage (as some suggest), we only have one exception for prohibiting remarriage.
While the Church should be fully involved in preserving marriages, we should be very careful about coercing those divorced into a life of perpetual singleness. Formerly married Christians have their struggles and 1 Cor 7:8,9 gives them instruction as to what to do. It is best to read those verses in light of the first 7 verses that precede it.
@@nealdoster8556 thank you Neal. You are a very interesting person