I was married for 20 years had to leave my husband due to DV and cheating. We are now divorced, his married again. I am single and choose to be single it's almost 9 years now. I choose to serve God and take care my children and grandchildren. ❤
I am what some have called "the innocent party" (but some others call me the guilty party), because in 2011 my Christian wife of 17 years cheated on me. Prior to marrying me (we dated for two years before marriage) she told me that she was a virgin (she was), and had never even kissed a man, or dated, until she met me. I believed her. It was a first marriage for both of us. We had no premarital sex for two years prior to the marriage, but kissed only. We were both Christians, involved in the church. Later, we had four beautiful children together. On Cinco de Mayo of 2011, she cheated with another man in a motel room, and afterward she felt guilty and confessed it to me a month or so later, after abandoning me with four children at home and moving 330 miles to Los Angeles, first. She called me, and wanted to come back home, from the other guy's bedroom. Thinking about Matthew 19:9 at the time, I told her "no." After she lived with him for two years, in 2013 I filed for divorce, again thinking about Matthew 19:9 and Matthew chapter five verse 32. Since then, she has lived with five different men in sin. I have never dated anyone since she left me. I am not perfect, but I have morals and children to raise (but I have had opportunities to remarry, obviously). Now people are telling me that Matthew 19:9 does not mean what it says, and I sinned by divorcing her ten years ago, and I cannot date or remarry. What is that all about?
Where do you get the idea that one can't remarry after divorce? That's just not taught in the Bible. This doesn't take away from the fact that divorce is a sin, in certain instances, and should be avoided if possible.
I want so much to understand how the Bible would encourage those considering legitimizing their adultery by marrying to believe that later repentance will consecrate that marriage. My wayward husband is likely contemplating marrying his mistress, a friend of mine, and I just can't bring myself to swallow that the Lord will consecrate that marriage but not permit me to find a new partner after they do get married. I hear you that Paul suggests we are better off single, but we are also taught "it is not good for man to be alone". Right now I'm not interested at all in dating. But if my husband chooses to marry his mistress.. how is it that his sin puts me in shackles the rest of my life? I'm not saying I was a perfect wife, but I am the one working hard to take my thoughts captive and to stay ready for reconciliation until he marries her. How is it his new marriage will be anointed and that will be impossible for me despite my so wanting to align with God's will? What constitutes sin for me is held in the hands of these two?
Your husband is in adultery if he has a mistress. If he marries her, it is continual sin. If then a man marries you, it will also be adultery. If you remain alone, it is ok.
@@lucindam.gabriel754Lucinda, if my husband repents after he is married to his mistress, don't you believe God will forgive and Jesus' blood will cleanse them and make them holy? Piper specifically says that in this UA-cam message and he offers scriptural support. I'm just questioning that, once that happens, how is it that _I_, the betrayed wife, must now go my whole life single and not be open to a new marriage? Right now I can't even imagine it, mainly because I am so very strongly looking to serve the Lord in continuing to hope that my husband will wake up and repent BEFORE marrying his mistress and want to serve God by reconciling to me and our son so we can work toward the marriage the Lord wants for us. But what Piper is saying is that if my husband doesn't repent and marries his mistress, and 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙣 they repent and Jesus cleanses them, their marriage can be consecrated while I am relegated to steering clear of any future marriage. That just seems harsh that the betrayed will go through life without a consecrated partner but the unfaithful spouse can marry and repent and end his days in the arms of his "new beloved". Maybe I'm just being like Israel saying "give us a king" when they had the Lord himself as their leader... Maybe I am to recognize I am the lucky one with the Lord himself as my partner in life. Just wish God would manifest a body and give me a physical hug now and then. 🤣 >sigh
@@lucindam.gabriel754 I agree it is continual sin. If it were not, everyone could leave an unwanted marriage and simply remarry and repent. I believe the only way to produce fruit in keeping with repentance is to end the unlawful marriage. When ancient Israelites married unlawfully (in this case to pagan women) they put away/divorced those women. Ezra 10:18-19 NKJV And among the sons of the priests who had taken pagan wives the following were found of the sons of Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brothers: Maaseiah, Eliezer, Jarib, and Gedaliah. [19] And they gave their promise that they would put away their wives; and being guilty, they presented a ram of the flock as their trespass offering.
@@robertomontanez1163 Please show where it is written that God only recognizes the original marriage. Be specific for you are claiming it is written, I want you to prove it actual is.
Please explain to me how king david took his best mans wife and had him killed and was "a man after Gods own heart"....pharisees do know the law but leave out the mercy, forgiveness and compassion....
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 Grace to you I’m familiar with all those verses and they don’t say “God only recognizes the original marriage” as you suggest. You are creating an argument from the false supposition of the first marriage surviving divorce (a self contradiction) which in turn creates a false narrative about Jesus’ teaching. Jesus explained to Israel what transpired by them ending their original marriage, you on the other hand are claiming the first marriage didn’t end supposedly in God’s eyes, see the difference? Jesus explains “In the beginning” there was no divorce. Later (in time) divorce was conceded because of hard hearts (Mark 10:4,5) and remarriage allowed (Deut. 24:2). This is the historic explanation for the adultery to which Jesus describes, it was the inadvertent consequence of divorce and remarriage allowed. Just as Moses revealed an ensuing defilement in remarriage following divorce (Deut. 24:4), Jesus reveals an ensuing adultery. You are not following the chronological facts if you don’t understand that this way of committing adultery immediately followed divorce and remarriage allowed, understand? There are two predicates (base points) in Jesus’ dialogue with the Pharisees (Mark 10). Their question to Jesus was asked from the base point of the law of Moses (v.2). Jesus did not answer them from the law (the first predicate). He instead answered them from the base point of creation “the beginning” (the second predicate) (Genesis 2:24). It was from the second predicate Jesus revealed an ensuing transgression for Israel. To put it simple, if you believe God created marriage with an inherent obligation of exclusive intimacy, you will understand that exclusivity is transgressed by divorce and remarriage. Jesus reminded the Pharisees that from the origin of creation marriage carries the obligation to “cleave” - the idea of staying together (v.7). In other words marriage has inherent obligations from the very beginning. After the Fall in Genesis 3 man becomes a sinner and his foolish heart is darkened (Romans 1:21). Domestic conflict is one of the many consequences of the Fall. In time divorce was conceded because of hard hearts which dealt with spousal hatred toward one another. The Apostle Paul similarly allows divorce for peace sake (1 Cor. 7:15). Divorce became a reality because of hard hearts which in turn separated what God had joined (Mark 10:9). By ending their marriages prematurely, they were NOT observing God’s lifelong design for marriage. Because remarriage was allowed (Deut.24:2), this way of committing adultery ensued. Again it was not a transgression of the law of Moses, it was an transgression of God’s creative design for marriage. God’s design for marriage carries an obligation of faithfulness to each the other for life. Divorcing one spouse and marring another violates that principle, that standard, which in turn causes the adultery against the former spouse as described by Jesus (Mark 10:11,12). Jesus’ conclusions were in agreement with and derived from the Pentateuch (the writings of Moses) which includes Genesis 2:24.
@@nealdoster8556 that's a nice elaborate placing of suppositions but it doesn't change God's point of marriage is for life and only death breaks the marital Covenant. Keep believing what you will. We'll all face the Truth in the end and no fancy word soliloquy or convenient rearrangement of scripture will impress The Mighty Lord or His instructions and design. May The Spirit lead you to Truth.
He lost me.....Malachi 2:14 everyone! You can not sin, repent and continue to live in that sin! If a man kill someone for whatever reason.... ask God to forgive him....is it okay for him to kill again? NO!!! Paul makes it clear in his writing when God spoke vs what he suggested! But his suggestions clearly didn't contradict Gods covenant about marriage!
That is just one of eight interpretations of the meaning of the fornication exception and by far the most popular. A through study of scripture and history will reveal that remarriage was not accepted for 1500 years.
Trollaukinn then why did jesus even bother teaching that remarriage is adultrey. cause once the 2nd marriage takes place the adultrey will cancel out the first marraige. which is circular reasoning argument and there is no remarriage today that is in adultrey.
Thanks for this study. We must return to understanding marriage as a "death do you part" relationship bound. We cannot be pro divorce and use exemption clauses which are a total misinterpretation of scripture. We must stand for the truth of Jesus Christ no matter what the cost. If your in adultery, stop and correct the sin. Do not let sin reign in your mortal bodies
Most are not being "pro divorce." They are merely trying to understand God's Word as a whole on the subject. When you mention, "death do you part," it's actually, "till death do depart." That vow is derived from the Sarum rite of medieval England, which was originally translated in the earliest versions of the Book of Common Prayer. It was later changed to "till death do us part," by Thomas Cranmer, Archbishop of Canterbury. God's ideal is one man, one woman, for life. Sadly, this is not always the case. And it's not about "exemption clauses." I don't know...maybe we're saying the same things, just using different ways to say it.
@@martin9410 Indeed, anything less is sin. And sin always bring about pain. Unspeakable pain when it ruins families in the adulterated tradition. You would agree?
This episode is a great demonstration of the importance of reading for meaning and not just reading for explicit instruction. Just because something "isn't in the Bible" doesn't mean it isn't covered by the Bible.
@@trappedcat3615 I wouldn't say I agree with any particular meaning. My comment is highlighting the importance of being able to extrapolate information.
I had no choice but leave the father of my daughter. He was very abusive. He also suffered from depression and I was literally his punching bag. I tried for 6 years to help him and be there, but I also dont want him killing me or kids
God would not want you to stay in such a relationship that puts you and your daughter in danger. Don't listen to the critics who have a weak understanding of Scripture. God loves you and approves of your decision to leave. You have a responsibility to not only yourself but the children which God has placed under your care.
@@robertomontanez1163 You have to look at all the passages on this issue in the Scripture and not cherry-pick. It's also in that same chapter where it says if you've been released or divorced from a wife not to marry, but if you do "marry, you have not sinned." The idea behind your passage is to give it some time and prayer. Also another key is in the phrase that you quoted, "let her remain unmarried." Paul considers her unmarried at this point, but the first choice is to give it some time, because once you marry someone else, it's too late for reconciliation.
I divorced the fathers of my kids two years ago. I was catholic so since I was a kid they teach me that the civil ceremony means nothing. I will only be married if I get married at the church and the priest has to do the ceremony. That was what I believe until two years ago. When I met a wonderful Christian guy. My ex when to jail and we were separated because he was on drugs so I decided to be happy. I started to date this guy and he told me that he could not be with me because I was married to my ex still. so I filled for divorce and I started a relationship with him. I always thought that my ex cheated on my because I find out that he was going to his ex girlfriend house. I don’t know why I don’t know what he was doing there. So I told my boyfriend that my ex cheated on my because for me that was cheating. The four years that we were together he always leave me and go to his mom house to used drugs he always manipulate me saying that he will kill him self. It was a night mare being with him just think if one day he will be death or he will hurt me. He faked that he was sleeping and started to punch me and kick me. ( but I never really knew if he cheats on me; he never admit it) I know that I was the one that decided to marry him I choose to have kids with him but he never wanted to change I was always helping him to recover from his addictions. I was happy because I thought that I had the right to get married again. Now that I read the Bible I know I was wrong and we have a daughter together he wants to married me but I am scared to send him to hell. I don’t want to go to hell neither. I had had a lot of stress for months were I cannot sleep or eat right. Some people say it’s ok and I star to feel better but then I see videos about how all that are remarried are going to hell and I started to have those thought again.
Pilla Rodriguez don’t listen to all the trolls on UA-cam. There is an excellent book on the subject by Rubel Shelly (www.amazon.com/Divorce-Remarriage-Redemptive-Rubel-Shelly-ebook/dp/B007FU7BH8/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1U87DR06UGDG8&keywords=rubel+shelly+books&qid=1572280080&sprefix=rubel+sh%2Caps%2C182&sr=8-2). He studies the subject from the Old Testament to the New Testament. You’ll be blessed. He's never been divorced and been with his one wife all of his life, so he's not trying to justify his own marital status. Your ex broke covenant with you in so many different ways. Don’t hurt your child by breaking another union. Read the above book rather than listen to everyone's opinion. I realize of course that mine is one of those opinions. I used to take an extreme view on this issue but then after studying all the passages from both the Old and New Testament on the subject, my thoughts were changed. You'll notice that a lot of the comments you'll get will just be extracting two verses from here, one verse from there, etc. The bible needs to be understood as a whole on the subject. When Jesus was in the flesh on the earth, He was still living under the Old Testament and is speaking to Jewish citizens, He explained the intent behind the Law. The Law allowed for divorce for different reasons. In fact, the Jewish priests were not allowed to marry a "widow," or a "divorced woman," but the non-priest was allowed to. God's intent as always been one man, one woman, for life. But because of sin, God intercedes with grace, love and forgiveness. One thing you'll notice about the legalists who respond to you is that usually there is very little love shown. That's because legalism stuffs out compassion and love. It's just the nature of the beast. With the woman at the well in John 4, Jesus had tremendous love and compassion for her, even though she had been married five times (the Lord recognized these as husbands and marriages), and she was now living with a guy outside of marriage. With this sixth man, Jesus says, "the one whom you now have is not your husband." This doesn't mean that Jesus approved the past five marriages but He recognized them as marriages. One more book that I might also suggest, but it's much more in-depth and scholarly than the first so it might be difficult to tackle is: Divorce & Re-Marriage, Recovering The Biblical View, by William F. Luck, Sr. Oftentimes Jesus was attacking those Pharisees and religious leaders who were divorcing their wives for any reason, but the primarily reason was that these Jewish leaders knew that adultery was a sin, so they thought if they just divorced their wives in order to marry whom they wanted, they could avoid that sin. Jesus tells them that even if they divorce their wives in order to marry someone else, that still constitutes adultery. Please notice what's missing from the Biblical text. There is not one mention of a marriage that is called an "adulterous marriage," that term doesn't exist in the Bible. Also there is no biblical account where new believers to the faith or older believers were told to leave the current wife. It's just not there. If it did happen, it would have been a hotbed topic that would have made it into our New Testaments. It was certainly mentioned in the Old Testament when Ezra commanded over a 100 Jewish men to divorce their wives. God bless.
@@pillarodriguez2235 you shouldn't be with a abusive person. Abuse is a sin . And when you allow someone to abuse you you are allowing them to sin. Again, there is only one unforgivable sin in the bible . And it is "blasphemy against the holy spirit" . Don't listen to people who say you will go to hell if you remarry. I am not saying,you should remarry or something. I don't know your situation. If your ex husband marries someone else ,he broke the oath himself. There is no longer any oath or connection between you. You are free to remarry. However,you should always seek God's wisdom and discernment instead of always relying on human's advice. Ask God yourself. Rely on God. Is your ex husband married to someone else?
Ok, you remarried and repented, but are not continuing to get divorced and remarried, so where is the "keep doing" part? Is breaking two covenants better than breaking one?
The moment the Christian church decides that divorce is no longer an option, we will actually begin to look differently than the world. Divorce can be "justified" within 5 minutes of marriage, but God HATES divorce. God makes TWO covenants in His Word: between Him and us after the flood, and marriage. I'm amazed by how worldly the church has become. If we actually dig into the scripture, Jesus was not talking about marriage, but modern day engagement when referring to leaving a spouse due to adultery. Either God hates divorce and it is never permissible (separation IS WISE sometimes, safety can be had without divorce) or He's happy with the rate of divorce in His church. 😱 I'm not a perfect wife, and I will be held accountable for that. As will we all be held accountable for our character in our "marriages," "divorces," and to our covenant spouses. I would much rather be very conservative and be wrong than believe divorce/"remarriage" is permissible as most Christians believe, and be wrong. Satan has infected the church deeply with his lies about marriage and divorce. I'm sure the Lord weeps at our mockery of the beautiful covenant He created (NOT US).
Actually it's not that God hates divorce. Relook at that passage in the last book in the Old Testament. What God hated was the putting away of a wife of one's youth to marry a young pagan wife. In the Old Testament, God through Ezra the prophet commanded that the Jewish men divorce their pagan wives. So divorce was certainly permissible in some cases. I agree with you that Satan has infected the church, but I believe it's more with the message that some legalists are teaching on the subject. If you study the Law of Moses even, divorce was sanctified by the Lord.
That text about God hating divorce has been such an abused passage over the years. In the context, He's addressing Jewish priests who have left the "wife of their youth," to be married to younger women and in some instances, pagan wives. In the Hebrew language it doesn't say that God hates divorce, He hates the "putting away." He despised the practice of those Jewish priests. God even commanded that men divorce their pagan wives through the prophet Ezra. He would never command something that He hated. Just wanted to get the Biblical passage right. So many teachers and pastors fail to consider the context and the ancient languages in their study of this passage. This doesn't mean that God is please with divorce. He would much prefer that a couple stay together and serve Him. But I'm a stickler for getting the Scripture right.
I believe Satan is going to Christian church. He is in our everyday life. There is a lot of hypocrite Pastor and Christian. Pointing fingers to others but doing the same Sin themselves.
@@martin9410 we have a new covenant with Jesus and He only gave one reason for divorce and stepped up the standard on the other laws as well, i.e. hating your brother is murder and looking at a woman with lust is adultery!
@@lizajean8333 Abuse of this kind was certainly one reason for divorce under the Law of Moses. Don't listen to the naysayers who have just a thimble of knowledge of this subject and just quote to you well-worn verses taken out of context without considering the whole counsel of God on the subject.
@@orion7741 being....forgiven.....changes an adulterous relationship, into a covenant relationship......after having nullified the first covenant.....that is quite the action.....
At the age of 20, I decided to marry an elderly woman. At that time, I got married for the wrong reasons. I only married out of loneliness at that time. We didn't have any vows at all. Loneliness and adulterous thoughts were why i married her. I'm 24 now, she's currently 56. 2 months of marriage and after praying to God to save me from my abusive and psychotic wife, He saved me by having her arrested and condemned to mental psychiatric hospital. This happened all in 2016. I made a horrible circumstantial decision and choice, now I'm divorcing her. Been separated since May 26, 2016 at 1:03pm. Right now, I'm planning my future wedding with my 35 year old fiance and soon to be bride. God answered my prayer and I listened to Him as He brought me out of the darkness I was in. I prayed for a way out and He guided me. She was so abusive and suicidal and I feared for my life and the life of my pets and my dad. My soon to be bride has never been married. I now thank God for bringing me out of that mistake in my life. I don't see this situation as adultery as I was in the right circumstances per the eyes of God. Only He can righteously judge me for this.
If the first wife was a divorced woman then once you were divorced from her you were still never married according to God's word, so marrying your new wife would be considered your actual marriage in God's view because both you and her would be each other's first spouses. Since the previous wife may have been married before which for that time made you in the act of adultery, but since that marriage is no more, you were free to find your own bride who had never been married, making you completely repented of the sin of adultery.
if she had been married and divorced....you were not in a marriage.....if she had been widowed, you were married and any remarriage would be adultery...
you are making plans to enter into an adulterous relationship....as the motives, and conseqences of a bad marriage are not Biblical grounds for divorce and remarriage.....
Also David wrongfully married Bathsheba... Divorce is always wrong, though bible doesn't tell us David divorced any of his many wives, he did commit adultery with bathsheba and there will always be consequences for sin as he did lose his child with her, but there is forgiveness when there is genuine repentance and the legitimacy of his marriage with bathsheba is seen after in that God blessed them with Solomon. 2 samuel 12:24 "Then David comforted his wife, Bathsheba, and went in to her and lay with her, and she bore a son, and he called his name Solomon. And the Lord loved him" Of course sin is never okay and we should be careful to not turn the grace of God into lasciviousness. But it does happen as Christians we sin and mess up horribly like even David a man after Gods own heart did, and there is restoration and a second marriage can be legitimized by God
@@philipbuckley759 The Old Testament is our tutor that teaches right from wrong. You're missing the point of what they were saying. There is restoration and forgiveness for all sinners. Not only that, when Jesus gave the Sermon on the Mount, He was still living under the Law of Moses and said that He hadn't come to abolish it but to fulfill it. He wasn't all of a sudden changing the Law of Moses. And certainly, the Old Testament allows us to see God's responses and attitude toward sin, restoration and forgiveness.
Roberto Montañez Jesus was still under the Old Law addressing those under the Law of Moses. Regarding David, by your approach, better to murder the one in your way, so that you can have who you desire.
@@robertomontanez1163 I see that you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole. I had to chuckle at some of your comments. You said, "try to go ahead and kill your now wife's husband..." You obviously haven't lived in California. lol. Also you mentioned my "now wife's husband." I don't know what to make of those words. If she is my wife, she is not someone else's wife. This makes no sense. You make the remark that basically David was given a free pass because he was so special to the Lord, and yet in Acts 10, Peter says that God plays no favorites when it comes to salvation. God is "no respecter of persons." You say, "Don't think you and I are at the same level as David." Please don't diminish and demean our Lord's sacrifice on the cross for all those who will believe. God paid a horrific price to forgive us, please don't cheapen it! And then you go back, apparently, to your favorite statement of all time: "DIVORCE=UNFORGIVENESS." It almost makes me think you were really burned by a wife who left you, to be so stuck on this record. Again, ALL sin is forgivable. The writer of Hebrews is extremely clear that Jesus paid for all of our sin, past, present and future. If sin were not forgivable, you wouldn't even be saved. So let's get off this kick that some sin isn't forgivable. Please don't slam Jesus' sacrifice and tremendous love.
Married 20 years. Conservative Christians, 9 children. Missionaries. Husband began to believe multiple wives were biblically acceptable. He felt he had capacity to love more than one woman and wanted me to accept it. I divorced him. Raised 9 kids and still single after 12 years very little help from him. $540 in child support total for all 9 and he feels the victim because I divorced him. Hes been through 4 other women. I never dreamed our marriage would end, nor did everyone who knew us. Devastated many and all still shake heads as to how he changed so drastically.
Lust of the eyes, flesh and the pride of life. More importantly lacking Love (Love the neighbor as thyself). This is such a hood example for Why the keeping of the Commandments is so important. When we lose sight of all that, we stray!!! Bless you sister 🙏
You are a strong christian woman who is leaving an example of dignity to your children. May the Lord sustain you and help you overcome this great injustice.
Abandonment. No longer bound to the spouse who left. God has called us to live in peace. But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 1 Corinthians 7:15
My Greek priest read this passage with me, after I was divorced and he said if you can be single and happy then stay that way. If not get married you are not bound ie it's not your fault if you do.
try using the correct terms.....not under bondage, or not enslaved is not akin to ....not being bound.....these words will put you straight into an adulterous remarriage....
@@DreaPark You can't truly repent & stay in the situation. God hates divorce but there's no commandment that says "do not divorce" but there is a commandment that says "do not commit adultery".
Everyone trying to figure out God's view on this... Dont be too arogan to think you are right in your view... Dont judge those who lives in 2nd marriage... Keep your own marriage until death do you part... Dont take any risk... Pastor John wont allow you to remarry, he made clear view on this.. no divorce too... But he is answering those who lives in 2nd marriage already...
@@philipbuckley759 ask for forgiveness... Do what He wants... I know where you are going with this... You are trying to say repentance means stop sinning (in this case is adultery), but the bible never say to divorce 2nd wife and back to the first... John Piper also state the same and i agree with his view on 2nd marriage...
No John Piper! The words of Jesus are clear. No sactification of what He says is adultery. Matthew 19:9, Mark 10:10-11, Luke 16:14-18, Romans 7:2-3, 1 Corinthians 7:10.
Remarriage is and adulterous act that we can all agree on, but if the couple realizes that fact after their marriage and repents and asks for forgiveness, then they are forgiven by Gods grace and should not ever again divorce and remarry. Then the new marriage is sanctified, and the cycle of sin is stopped by not divorcing.
@@mikehart1798 the divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32, and Matthew 19:9. However, the wife in Matthew 5:31-32 is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews that Jesus was speaking to were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39. Unlike the synoptic gospels of Mark and Luke, which were written to evangelize the Gentiles, Matthew was written to the Jews, and has of 24 characteristics that identify it as intended for the house of Israel. The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death. The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. But when Jesus died on the cross, he caused the Jews to be dead to the law of Moses so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the law of Moses over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the whole law is no longer possible for those in Israel and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15. Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife. Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned by the unbeliever, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way some translations word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not enslaved" which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, which is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 shows the Apostle Paul giving permission to remarry do not understand the command, that Christ gives is to an abandoned husband, in 1 Corinthians 7:11, is that he "must not divorce" his wife, and his wife is commanded to "remain unmarried or else be reconciled" to her husband. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh in marriage puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, by implying that Paul has issued an opposing command. Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16. The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly in regard to virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a virgin who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command, to a single man, who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the single man who decides it is better not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which again means single men, in the congregation, who have betrothed a wife, do well if they marry, and those who choose not to marry their virgin brides do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unscriptural unions. The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24. Mark 10:1-12 and Matthew 19:1-12 both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel, because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans and Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command.
But he said he 'could be' wrong 🙄😩I cannot base my salvation on a Pastor saying I 'could be wrong'..Saints etc...consulting God in these last days are pivotal!!!
Sis Mimi Once divorced we are not allowed to remarry again that is considered adulterous acts! Mathew 19:9 so every time u lay with ur second or third or so on wife u are committing adultery!!!
So if you steal money but you confess and repent do you still get to keep the money. No you have to make things right. The second marriage is not even acknowledged by God so you won’t be breaking any Vow.
If a man vows a vow to the Lord, or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word. He shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth. Numbers 30:2 "A" broke one oath when he divorced his wife "E" . He married his second wife "G". Is it morally right to break his second oath? U don't take an oath when you steal money. However you take an oath when you marry someone.
@@b.8846if I make an oath to perform an abortion every week for the rest of my life, should I honor that vow or break it? When you enter a marriage in adultery, you make a vow to commit adultery for as long as you live. Do you really think god wants you to continue in it?
With all due respect Dr Piper, you spiked this football, I think it is fair to say you must see it through to completion. Stay strong to the end. We are with you and a huge growing number totally agree. Do not capitulate now and try sugar coat it. Nothing is easy about defending the gospel. It should be NO Surprise all remarried/adulterated families are in sin! We are all sinners by nature and by choice! This is just a somewhat disturbing perpetual sin which reaches deep to the nature of a man or woman to reap turmoil on their own family by the carnal act of remarriage adultery. It is what it is. I matters not what spin we put on it, or how reasonable of an excuse we can come up with to try and justify it. God is perfect, we are sinners. Remarriage while the other spouse is still alive, IS NOT marriage. It is adultery, even as one thinks and terms it as marriage. It is some frustrated, man made perverted partnership/relationship arrangement at best. It is no more marriage that 2 sodomites showcasing their government stamped certificate in the PC tradition.
I agree, however why did Jesus say that a man who divorces his wife for anything other than adultery is guilty of causing her to commit adultery? He didn't say the "divorcee" was guilty but the "divorcer". He also said that Moses allowed for divorce because of hardness of their hearts. Also, Paul permits an abandoned spouse to remarry. Perhaps we can all agree that in a perfect world, there would be no need for this discussion. But God knows we are not in a perfect world and remarriage at times is permissible by God because we are called to live in peace.
@@gmac8586 Can you please help me? 5 years ago my unbelieving abusive ex husband left me divorce me and married someone else. I want to get remarried again but I was told I have to wait until he dies first. I do not want to go to HELL🔥🔥🔥. Am I allowed to get remarried because he abandoned me? I thought the scriptures said that I had to remain single until he dies. Please comment. Thanks Gina🙏🙏🙏
@Gina Gregg; I'm not sure how I can help you, but I can give you my opinion. I'm not sure why you were told you have to wait till he dies? Your union is over. He has married another. He broke the marriage covenant. He wanted to leave and you are called to live in peace and let him go. (1 Cor 7:15) You are not under bondage. You then are free to remarry, but as long as it's to another believer. Pray about it and read 1 Cor 7 and Mark 10. Don't forget though, that being single allows freedoms that married people don't have. Spend time alone with God and let Him fill you, heal you and love you. He will direct your path. God bless.
@@gmac8586 Thank you for replying. Yes I know that He left and broke the Union and I'm not called to bondage but to live in peace..... But I've had people say that.... The bondage part means that I don't have to live with him in a marriage Union...... That I'm free to leave and be on my own. So many people have said The Bible doesn't mention anything about remarriage at all. It just States That if adultery or fornication has been committed that you are free to get divorced. It doesn't say anything about remarriage. I want to get remarried so much. I'm just so afraid of going to HELL 🔥😟 If you can shed any more light on this subject I would really appreciate it. Maybe I'm way off base. Thank you Gina
@@gmac8586 Oh wow ! I just read your reply to someone else and you said that it's not the Divorcee that causes the wife to commit adultery If she marries another it's the divorcer. I think I may have answered my own question. So does that mean that if a person gets a divorce for any other reason then..... The one exception of adultery or fornication.....then if they marry another after the divorce.....they are committing adultery ?? So that kind of tells me that remarriage is OK in only one circumstance if your spouse cheated on you. Correct?
Whattt....Since when do you rob a bank, then make a vow to spend the money. Furthermore if you repent of robbing the bank, that means you give the money back. Now if you spent the money, before you repented, you'll still have to make restitution. Even more than that, it's a poor comparison, robbing a bank, and divorcing. What if you had poor knowledge of divorce and remarriage as a Christian, then you remarried, a Christian woman, then you realize, by new teaching, you had sinned.....don't tell me you divorce this new wife. THIS IS MY VIEW, IT IS A VERY PERSONAL MATTER, between the Christian divorcee, and God....I'm sure there is an infinite number of circumstances, yes the Spiritual man is to judge all things.....but not the heart of another, as we know not our own heart.
Nice! Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Mar 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. Mar 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. Luk 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. Rom 7:1 KNOW ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Jesus says only fornication is grounds for divorce and remarriage, but the fornicator may not remarry. 1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. notice that fornication and adultery are listed separately because they are not the same, fornication is sexual relations before marriage while adultery is sexual relations with someone other than your wife or husband. Heb 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. Jesus told us exactly what constitutes Adultery as well as Paul, and that Adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God both in 1 Cor 6:9 and Gal 5:19 but that God will judge adulterers as in Heb 13:4 those who are flesh minded and want what the flesh wants can run and try to find loopholes because they refuse to be under What God says about this issue. those who hunt for loopholes have no love for God, they are just in this way for the Fire insurance!!! when you love God you also love His Word even when it says hard things. and because you love God, you do not run to this preacher and that pastor trying to find loopholes that supposedly allow you to stay in an adulterous marriage. those who love God already know that this way is very much about self-denial, taking up our cross and following Jesus.
@@dennishagans6339 God Bless you!!! You took so much time to clarify through Scripture...I perfectly agree with you...I don't know how much time the speaker used to prepare this response but this shows his belief is a doctrine of the devil, which is misleading others who Do want to justify their sinful desires...or who simply depend so much on pastors or teachers for understanding of the Bible. God bless you and thanks for your loving investment of time!!!
Pastor John Hagee is on his SECOND marriage ~ he divorced his first wife in 1975. NOTE:--- "Christians don't steal or lie, they don't get divorced or have abortions." That is a DIRECT QUOTE from Pastor John Hagee in "The Fish Gate" sermon, September 2nd, 2007. John Hagee married his first wife (Martha Downing) in 1960; he DIVORCED her in 1975, and married a member of his congregation (Diana Castro) a year later. Here's the full info: John Hagee married Martha Downing in 1960, and the couple had two children together. Hagee was the pastor at Trinity Church in San Antonio, but criticism from his divorce caused him to resign. Hagee has three children with Castro, named Matthew, Christina and Sandy. Hagee and his children with Castro are also musicians, who performed together as The Hagees. On May 11, 1975, Hagee started a new church, called The Church at Castle Hills. Although it only had 25 members to start, it quickly grew in size, leading to two expansions. The first was a sanctuary with 1,600 seats, and the second was a sanctuary with 5,000 seats. Hagee named the second sanctuary Cornerstone Church. His son, Matthew, later took over as executive pastor of the church. John Hagee has written books, and numerous religious television stations broadcast his sermons. He has also founded religious organizations. John Hagee wrote in a 1975 letter to his congregation that he was guilty of immorality, after which he divorced his wife, Martha Downing. The exact immorality is unknown. Some claim that Hagee had an extra-marital affair with Diana Castro, who had been a member of his former church congregation. He married Diana Castro, on April 12, 1976. The remarriage immediately following his divorce led to allegations that he had an affair during his marriage. John Hagee was the founder and senior pastor of Trinity Church. The news of his impending divorce surprised his congregation. Martha gained the custody of their two children in the divorce. We never hear about his two children with his first wife, do we? #
@Elder Jacob Its clear no remarriage it all says the same thing the disciples got what Jesus teached that is why they said better not to get married and the church for 1600 all taught remarriage is adultery it was hard hearts that wanted divorce and its hard hearts that try to read it into the scriptures
@Elder Jacob No people just pick and choose. The Bible doesn't contradict itself when texts and taken in context. I used to believe in remarriage until I got more educated on the subject.
Genesis 2:18 KJV 18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. Genesis 2:24 KJV 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Ephesians 5:27 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 KJV 1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. 3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; 4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. Matthew 5:31-32 KJV 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Matthew 19:6-9 KJV 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Mark 10:2-12 KJV 2 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. 3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? 4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. 5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. 6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. 7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; 8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. 9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. 11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. 1 Corinthians 7:39 KJV 39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. Luke 16:18 KJV 18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. Romans 7:2-3 KJV 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Hebrews 13:4 KJV 4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 KJV 8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
Bologne! He's wrong. To repent means to TURN away from sin and reconcile. You could be wrong you say?? You are 150 % wrong. Doesn't matter what you believe. Matters what the Word says. Says they are in an ADULTEROUS affair if they divorced and remarried. Don't listen to this guy people. "Christians" (say that loosely because they aren't) actually CHOOSE to divorce and then repent saying grace covers them. Hogwash!
Perhaps I can say the same thing about you. Perhaps people shouldn't listen to you either. If your spouse is spiritually dead you are allowed in God's eyes to remarry but only in the Lord hmmm. Perhaps this is just my opinion? Let's see what the scripture say. There is scriptures in here that you need to look up and read for yourself the author of this message I'm about to share does not quote every scripture. It is your responsibility to look them up and to learn then teach God's word. Copy paste..Not all marriages are put together by God (Joshua 23:12-13, Ezra Ch. 9:13-14, & 10:2-3, 10-13)...not to mention “David and Bathsheba or Samson and Delilah” 2. There are many unequally yoked marriages that God Hates even MORE than divorce (Exodus 34:14,16, Deut 7:3-4, Deut 13:6-10, 1 Kings 11:1-4) 3. Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today, and forever (Heb 13:8) 4. This means that God STILL commands us to separate from the disobedient and wicked...Ps 1:1, 26:5, Psa 101:4, 7-8, 119:113, 115, 118, Pro 13:20, 19:19, 22:10, 22:24-25, 23:9, Mat 7:6, 10:34-38, 18:17, Mark 3:25, 8:22, 10:14, 12:30, Rom 1:32, Rom 16:17, 1 Cor 5:11-12, 1 Cor 15:33, 2 Cor 6:14-17, Eph 5:3-7, 5:11-14, 2 Tim 3:1-5, Tit 3:10-11, Heb 1:8-9, 1 Tim 5:22, 2 John 1:11, Rev 18:4) 5. NONE of the above commands are abolished by the temporary institution called “marriage” 6. Jesus’ teaching on divorce was specifically to a Jewish audience (Just as each of His messages to the 7 churches in Revelation 2-3 were specific to each church in accordance to THEIR unique issues and sins, so too was His teaching in the Gospels on divorce specific to Jews who were in a divorce crisis, divorcing for any foolish reason, because their hearts were hard. (Matthew 19:8) 7. Even still, Jesus did not fail to give this concession to those Jews who were quick to divorce, saying, “Except for Adultery” regarding remarriage in Matthew 19:9 8. Jesus intentionally chose a woman who was divorced and remarried FIVE times to evangelize an entire town. Never once did he say to her, “God Hates divorce or you can never marry again, or you are going to hell because you remarried FIVE TIMES!” (John 4:1-25) 9. The same word used in 1 Corinthians 7:39 to describe the widow who is no longer “bound”, and thus free to remarry is the exact same word used in the phrase “no longer bound” in 1 Corinthians 7:15, to describe the new condition of the believing spouse who has been left by a believing spouse. 10. The greater principle in the NEW Covenant than “physical death” which can separate a marriage, is “spiritual death”. Many people are indeed in marriages, living with spiritually dead people who have once and for all rejected Christ and that death is slowly spreading to the “living spouse”, which is EXACTLY why God placed all the commands listed above to SEPARATE from the disobedient...He is trying to preserve a Holy uncontaminated remnant. This cannot be done when a person is living with a “dead body” yoking their light to the darkness. Passages showing Spiritual death in Scripture: (Mat 8:22, 23:27, John 5:24, 6:63, 12:40, Rom 7:10, 8:2, 8:6, Eph 2:1, 2:5, Col 2:13, Jam 1:15, 2:26, 1 Timothy 5:6, Rev 3:1) 11. Anyone who has doubts about divorce or remarriage should NOT move forward in either, until you have heard clearly from the Lord and can move forward by faith. Anything not done in faith (with doubt) is sin. Romans 14:23 12. Only God, by His Holy Spirit can give Revelation on the deep things and matters of His heart on subjects like this. God reveals them to Babes but hides them from the clever, the proud, the legalistic and the “wise and learned”. Matthew 11:25-26 Luke 7:33-35 NIV [33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' [34] The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' [[Michael Chriswell came and remarried after his first wife had an affair and then years later divorced him for serving God rather than money, and you say, 'Here is a lawbreaker and adulterer.']] [35] But wisdom is proved right by all her children." In this part of the book we look into the principle of spiritual death in the new covenant and the role it plays in some divorce and remarriage situations. Also, we talk about remarriage and finding God's specific will for your life. May the Lord bless you as you listen!
@@martin9410 Yeah, it's a painful process to be rejected, cheated on, the lies, the deception and betrayal. It's gut wrenching. I eagerly search the scriptures for answers. It's as if God is silent in all of this. I believed that God purposed for us to be married and minister to others. I stood on the Word and lost everything.
@@blackbutterfly6914 I was cheated upon too, I understand your pain. The Good News is that the Bible does give us answers! I like how Paul puts it in 1 Cor. 7, "Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be released. Are you released from a wife? Do not seek a wife. But if you marry, you have not sinned..." You can apply this counsel to the wife as well. And even when we stand "on the Word," we can;t direct the moral compass of another person. They have their own free will and that is something we just can't control. However God is pleased with your devotion to Him
Bc JM is dead wrong on this issue. Beware!! This is a Salvation Issue 🔥🔥 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 Romans 7:1-3 Luke 16:18 Mark 10:2-12 1 Corinthians 7:39 1Corintians 6:9-10 Galatians 5:19-21
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 it is not a salvation issue to remarry and you should be very careful in teaching other brothers and sisters in the faith that they’re salvation is at risk if they remarry. What a grave error.
@@abby_stewart I suggest you read the scriptures I posted before making erroneous attacks. Scripture is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that Adulterers WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of God (hence-Salvation) In addition to the passages I posted above read Ephesians 5:5 and Revelation 21:8 for confirmation. True Believers are to WARN others in love which is Exactly what I've done.
Where Piper sees the leaving of a second 'spouse' (to return to the legitimate one) as 'breaking a vow', many see the same situation as actually KEEPING the original / legitimate vow. No amount of 'repentance', apart from leaving the remarriage, is going to sanctify it.
charis74Him exactly. How can we truly repent if we don't truly turn from the sin? That's where I differ from John. If it's a sinful marriage, then leaving it to return to the covenant spouse will essentially bring God more glory than remaining in a wrong marriage!
Wow this is message is wrong... You are saying repent from adultery but keep doing adultery.....this is am abomination to God. The couple needs to separate....the only covenant is with the first spouse.....the second pact in the second marriage os not valid before God because it is adultery. Please pastor teach the truth do not lies..because you are leading people to hell.
So what if they have a monstrous first marriage and God sends them a new Godly spouse and they divorce and everything is beautiful and they've repented?
@@sarahlynnbaxter2225 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. Matthew 12:31-32. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!! Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. I Corinthians 6:9-10
I find the comments I've read here commendable for taking the commandments of Christ seriously, and you're right that our Churches today often don't, particularly in this area. However I think a few points are worth considering. Jesus Commandment in Matthew 19 clearly states that in case of "sexual immorality" (also translated as "fornication") the party that has been victim of this infidelity has the right to divorce and remarry. As for the party that is guilty of "sexual immorality", a strict interpretation could suggest that this person however has not the right to remarry. In 1. Corinthians 7, Paul states that anyone married to an unbeliever should stay married if the other side agrees. _"But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not _*_bound_*_ in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace."_ (1 Cor 7:15) Compare this to verse 39: _"A woman is _*_bound_*_ to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord."_ (1 Cor 7:39) The use of the word "bound" in both cases could be interpreted thusly that also the divorce from an unbeliever, under the conditions given by Paul, allows for re-marriage. --- Now, my last point is more of a question. Jesus says in Matthew 19: _"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."_ My question would be this: If adultery is a reason for divorce and justification for remarriage, i.e. if the partner that is victim of adultery is no longer bound to this husband or wife, then why doesn't this also apply to an unjustified divorce and remarriage when this also constitutes adultery according to this verse. To put it differently: If adultery in a marriage allows the damaged party to divorce and remarry, i.e. the damaged party is no longer "bound" to their husband or wife, why is it different if the act of adultery is one of unjustified divorce and remarriage?
You are hurting the legalists feelings. Don't exegete and have scripture interpret scripture. It contradicts their reasoning and feelings on the matter. They add to the law of God... They make the same mistake they would accuse others of... Adding to the text and leaning on their own understanding. Their legalistic mindset does not allow them to see these truths in scripture. Great job by the way. I agree. I just get carried away with sarcasm at times.
Well first off it is "except for fornication", not sexual immorality. Get the verse right first. Now ask yourself what is the difference between fornication and adultery. So in Mat:19 what it says to simpletons who don't understand Hebrew marriage is this, "And I say to you, whoever cancels the one year marriage contract due to the bride having sex before the marriage ceremony may take another woman as his bride". Taking a divorced person as a spouse is adultery. In todays terms it would be cancelling the engagement due to the bride sleeping around, but once the marriage is consumated you must forgive. I hope that clears up your misunderstanding.
@dominic schofield Oh you think I'm angry because you don't like the truth, and you insult me because I have given you the LORD's word. The Bible tells us all about your kind, I would reckon my salvation with fear and trembling if I were you.
Here's some more verses to consider: Gal. 3:15 Brothers, let me put this in human terms. Even a human covenant, once it is ratified, cannot be canceled or amended. 17What I mean is this: The law ... does not revoke the covenant previously established by God, so as to nullify the promise. (So any other "covenants/vows" are illegitimate while the "husband is still alive" it says in Rom 7:1-4. 1 Cor. 5:1 - Didn't Paul expect the man to abandon the relationship with his father's wife? Mark 6:18 For John had been telling Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother’s wife!” (didn't John the Baptist expect them to abandon the relationship vs. stay in it?).
This seems to contradict, your prior view to remain single after becoming a divorcee. So frustratingly confusing to find peace and concrete biblical truth on divorce and remarriage! My ex wife cheats, divorces me, and remarries another, and I'M stuck being single 🤷♂️🤦♂️? That was nearly 10 years ago and I'm still wrestling in this. Maybe, do a podcast on the torture that your hardliner view, puts on sincere wounded truth-seeking lonely sexually frustrated divorcee Christians. Yeah, Idk here Mr. Piper. No, disrespect. Sincerely, idk. #seekingpeace #seekingtruth
no...it is the torture that the Scripture puts on you....tell it to God, or Jesus, when you see him on judgement day.....did not Paul speak on this...the suffering, that we encounter is not worthy to be mentioned, compared to the rewards that we will receive....and you can take that up with him, as well....
Your wife broke covenant and is now married to another. You are no longer bound to her. If you decide to stay single that's up to you, nothing wrong with that. However biblically you don't have to.
hello Dan J please don't let it lead to mind sex cause then u sinning.....Just guard ur thoughts and heart from temptation...just advicing from love....YESHUA THE MESSIAH Bless you
That is true, but it's more than that. John told Herod that he had "his brother's wife." Under the Law of Moses which Herod said he was still observing, it was a sin to have a brother's wife while he is still living. The Law of Moses called this "incest." Just wanted to clarify.
The point is interesting doesn't disagree with Piper. According to John Piper's message, they should confess it as sin, genuinely repent and stay in the marriage. Herodias did not repent; she held a grudge against John the Baptist and schemed his death.
@@orion7741 I think this commenter was being sarcastic. Paul’s advice to not get married wasn’t a command, but a concession and it says that plainly in scripture and most people are aware of that.
YOU ARE IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE. YOU BETTER GET IT RIGHT AND KNOW I RIGHT. BECAUSE HE'S WRONG. HEBREWS13:4 GOD WILL JUDGE THEM BOTH AND HIM AND YOU FOR NOT REBUKING IT.
Wow..it is so disheartening to hear these words from John Piper regarding staying in a second marriage and justifying it by using other scripture that clearly has nothing at all to do with marriage and adultery. You can’t repent of something and REMAIN IN IT knowing full well it is wrong in GOD’S EYES! And just because Jesus said to the woman at the well that she had 5 “husbands” doesn’t mean he approved of it and doesn’t mean it was a marriage recognized by God this simply cannot be used to justify one or several or multiple remarriages. This is so sad
Mr. John Piper, you have vascillated in your position on marriage through the years, and you have lost my respect. Are you afraid of telling the truth, as you may lose congregants, and therefore tithe money? Prayerfully you can study and know exactly how you stand.
I really don't think Dr. John Piper has had any issues with his congregants (Which he is no longer pastor of at the time of your post)--but even if he did, it proves why Humanity has not been left the duty to forgive sins--your stance proves we humans are inept to do so, Praise God, He forgives when humanity will not. Those who walk away have their own troubles, and it's best for the health of the Church that they do.
If Jesus taught that a man with an adulterous eye should pluck it out or an adulterous hand should cut it off...HOW MUCH MORE should he put away the woman he is committing adultery with in a false second marriage!!
@@womanatwellworshiptheFather Sure would make sense if everyone else in the world lived a perfect life and could judge others but no one can except God so we should leave other people's marriages to them and God
Jon has been very helpful with his discussion on a host of biblical topics. Like him I leave room to be incorrect and for the Spirit to show me differently. I disagree with Jon because of the definition of repentance 2 Corinthians 7:10-11. As well as what Jesus says about sin Mark 9. In response to the topic I would like to offer up Ezra 10:10 thru the end for discussion
You are wrong, Virgin- Pastor piper is right in this- 17 Only, as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this way let him walk. And so I direct in all the churches.” Should you, once you understand it was adultery, then break the promises you made to your new spouse? Of course not.
@@michaelmakinney20 Well, I left room to be incorrect, so did Jon Piper humbly. You may want to do the same since your explanation has not convinced me ( and many others in this section) from what I see clearly in the scriptures. We will have to agree to disagree. All the best.
@@virdinbarzey3805 Well, brother, I accept your gentle correction. I would simply point out that the Law that regulates divorce in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 assumes remarriage after divorce- please see for yourself: 24 “When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens [a]that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house, 2 and she leaves his house and goes and becomes another man’s wife, 3 and if the latter husband [b]turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife, 4 then her former husband who sent her away is not allowed to take her again to be his wife, since she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance.” Now, I understand that in Christ we’re not under the Law, but the assumption of remarriage should be noted. Moreover, if I may, Ezra is speaking of marriage to women committed to foreign gods, which, as we know, is what turned Solomon’s heart away from serving God w all his heart. Israelite men committed to God are never commended for divorcing Israelite women equally committed. And it’s interesting, too, that the very Scripture that says that through the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus we’ve been freed from the condemnation inherent in the Law goes on to say that this freedom allows us to walk in the Law. See for yourself: 8 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life [a]in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, [b]weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of [c]sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us,” The idea, then, that After divorce AND remarriage to a believer, one should divorce again to, somehow, please God, is nowhere supported in Scripture, is it? 🤔
I am catholic as was my ex-wife. In May 1993 we married in a beautiful Catholic wedding. I thought it was the start of a long and happy life together with the love of my life. I was looking forward to starting a family and being a father to a son or daughter. But 42 days after we married, my wife abandoned the marriage because of my refusal to allow her grandmother who had raised her to move in permanently with us. I did not want that because her grandmother was very controlling and we frequently clashed over how I was doing things she didnt agree with, plus she wanted to take control of our finances. My ex-wife told me that unless I changed my mind, allowed her to move in, and allow her to take her "rightful place" as head of our household, she would not live with me. I tried fir almost a year to save the marriage but in the end, divorce was the only thing left for me to do. So how does my situation fit into The Lord's injunction to not put away your spouse? Am I now required to remain spouse-less for the rest of my life, or until my ex-wife dies? I would really appreciate an answer.
I don’t think you have to wait for your ex to die so that you can re marry. That sounds like it is from the Old Testament… and legalistic. We are living in the New Testament and God has grace for us, even when we may have done the wrong thing… also love does not force someone to do something so if your ex was saying either do this or we will Not be together than that is not love. ..
@@user12383 believe it or not, I have had people, obviously strictly intertpreting it, saying that if I am 90 years old and living in a nursing home and want to marry my dear friend who lives tehre with me, and my ex-wife is still alive....sorry, no can do, you know that the Bible says. I have also been told that I didn't have a valid reason to divorce my wife (what more reason did I need???) and that I have a duty to try and be reconciled with her. Sorry but after 28 years, there is no chance of that ever happening.
@@nursesteve2004 I'm sorry to hear about your terrible situation but Marriage is still for life , yes one can leave but the only exception for remarriage is death, under the rules of new covenant. Remarriage for any other reason is adultery. No adulterer can enter heaven. Your soul is too precious and this life is passing away.
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s so basically you are telling me that although she abandoned the marriage, and has since remarried, I am obligated to remain single and celibate for the rest of my, or her, life? This does not sound right, and why would God want me to remain alone?
Is divorce for other than the reasons that are allowed (5:31-32 ) a sin, the bible is very clear, yes, be it first, second, third, fourth, fifth, as with the women at the well (John 4:18). Note, no where does Jesus instruct the women to go back to here first husband, or second, in fact there is nothing said about the unmarried relationship because right relationship with Christ is first and foremost always the matter that has to be taken care of, that then will bring the Holy Spirits conviction of action. So for a person to divorce his current wife, be it first, second, ...would be a sin, and one can't repair a past sin with a current one. The act of divorce was a sin, but continuing in marriage, be it a second, or third is not continuing to sin. To have a child out of wedlock is a sin but one doesn't continue to sinning by being a father to that child.
Remember, follow Christ at all times. No o e ever said its going to be easy to be a believer. It get REAL hard sometimes. We will always fall down, but through Christ, we will allways get back up.
I'd rather follow the Words of Jesus (EXACTLY what came out of His mouth) and take my chances on That. Because at least I can say to the Father, I did what Your Son said to do, Not what man, said to do!!! Remember...that person giving you Bad advice will not be standing there with you at the judgement seat, Nor will they be able to stand IN for your eternal sentence! Something to ponder!
i was divorced twice in 2016, born again 2021, married my husband 1 month later and KNEW we were unequally yoked. but i did it thinking i was going to pull one over. my husband is a narcissist. we separated 8 months later after my conversion, 7 months after marriage. im still married, and will be until he dies or the LORD reconciles his heart to CHRIST and us together. I sinned my way right into it AFTER CONVERSION. I will live growing in Christ until otherwise.
@@patrickhamilton7849 where does the promise of forgiveness of sin and your sin being cast as far from you as east is to west come in here? If the divorce happened years before conversion, are those sins not forgiven? Wouldn’t Fruit of repentance be to sin no more? Would it be that we need to go back and perform the “work” of trying to undo our own sins? The blood of Jesus covers the sins of our past and our sinful nature in the present.. and provides our righteousness, our responsibility is that once we are in Him we would go and sin no more.
I thank John Piper for his initial teaching and red flags on this issue. I have learned to love and appreciate Dr Piper. I heard John on his points here, and considered them carefully, but this position he is talking is away from goodness. Let me explain. When you dig for excuses to justify divorced and remarried people as being in sound, good moral plights because “they made a promise to commit adultery” it does not add up. It is adultery or it is not. Period. Hold the battle lines John! Do not waver. Remember God is perfect and holy. With the above teaching, you just opened up the flood doors for divorce and remarriage once again! Some people thinking of switching up partners may have paused at your initial teaching, then proceeded to divorce and remarry when they got to your position here. “Oh yes John tickle my ears more, I just commit adultery once, can get grace, and be totally acceptable and not adulterated.” I will keep my promise to be in adultery? An adulterous remarriage could be nullified as sin, in order to seek to obey, and please the Lord is my take. I mean think of the scandalous drive though weddings, adulterers can get in a Las Vagus chapel in less than 5 minutes or the like. Would Piper say, a man should maintain that marriage instead of going back to his faithful wife and 5 kids who are waiting and praying he comes home? God forbid! From a biblical point of view, remarriage is not “Marriage” at all even as we term it as such. It is 100% sinful, vain adultery. It is not certifiable and is totally illegitimate as Jesus confirmed. So a couple can take liberty to go ahead and get “remarried,“ but they hit a brick wall and dead end in the process. The brick-wall called adultery. The Lord Jesus is warning his followers to not get into remarriage situations or they will indeed be committing adultery. No Christian in their right mind would want a marriage that has the title of adultery on it. So Jesus is basically saying do not do it. It is mainly to PREVENT people from entertaining this sick pathway in the first place. Notice He is talking it future tense seemingly as well? The countless sinners who live in this plight would be best to not hold their heads high and say “ I am Ok with this and without sin.” They are best to assume they are sinners, stuck with an adulterated relationship and can teach others not to follow their example. They should have humility as they seek grace and mercy. This is a much safer position. Those in bondage to adultery could include adulterated marriages who have produced babies and other serious obligations. Understand sexual sin; When your go so far with sin, there is a “point of no return.” A virgin cannot get her virginity back once she makes a sinful choice to give in to a male who is advancing. So Sin, like cancer, can get to a point where surgical interventions, or treatments are not practical. And there are no clear answers! So with remarriage adultery. Some cases we have no clear answers, but to see it as sin. It has invaded the whole body and there is no longer hope. There is the prospect to get ready to face pain and death for these patients. It is too late. Intervention was not done soon enough. Can we see the parallel? Where is the hope for an adulterated family? For kids and children who are defiled by th adultery their proud parents chose? But as believers, nothing is impossible. We fear not and trust in the Lord. I have a verse since Piper has difficulty grasping at some....”God will judge the whore-monger and the adulterer.” That verse is found in the NT, age of grace, not the OT. I have studied this issue for about a year and have lost friends in the process of taking this no divorce remarriage position. But I am perfectly OK with that. I will always choose the Gospel over any union or religious sect. My own marriage has thrived over taking this no divorce and remarriage position as we now see ourselves as inseparable, in mutually agreed bounds l, but by death. Our marriage thrives with laughter and the kids are happy too! Those in remarriage adultery are not necessarily going to the fires of hell, God grace is amazing. But they are in adultery. We must make that clear, because that is what the Bible says.
Your example does not show a covenant marriage which is only broken by death. Only God can end the marriage. and if they stay in that marriage what about the spouse that is waiting on reconciliation. And read In Hossa and Malachi. He says leave the foreigner. Please pray about this more and read this scriptures' and explain them. Your position means if a man or women wants to get a new wife or husband they can and once they get in that relationship all they have to do is repent and honor the new marriage and it's okay. I think not by the leading of the Holy Spirit and scriptures. So... if two men enter unto a marriage wrongly but once they are married they can now just repent and honor their marriage and it is okay? Their marriage was not ordained by God. When two people of the same sex marry and make a promise before God it does not constitute a marriage, a second marriage is not ordain by God.
You might be "married" for the second time to another, but you are still bound to the first as long as he or she lives. Therefore you shall be called an adulterer as long as your first spouse is alive (Romans 7:2&3). You cannot sin against sin. So leaving the second marriage which was a sinful marriage, would mean you are turning away (repent) from that sin. God only honors the first marriage as long as your spouse is alive.
DSEN : to clear this up......yes divorce is sin, and is and goes directly against the command of Jesus Christ himself... 1 Corinthians 7 10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. A divorce is not sin when when you are in adultery or homosexual so called marriage. God doesn’t recognize them as marriages, God recognize them as sin and must be forsaken.......
@@unitedt21 The Bible nowhere says that one is bound to the first "as long as he or she lives. Certainly Romans 7 doesn't apply. First, Paul is only addressing one aspect of marriage in comparing it to the Law. He's not teaching about marriage, he's teaching about the Law. Secondly, there is a different Greek word used in verse 3, it is not being "married" to a second man, but being "joined." Paul purposely uses a different Greek word. In other words we have an affair being described here. Thirdly, in the days of Jesus, only the Jewish man was allowed to divorce his wife freely. The wife was not free to divorce. In addition, to suggest such an interpretation clearly contradicts what both Jesus and Paul taught in other passages. Also the Law of Moses explicitly identifies a number of situations under which divorce might and should occur. Paul knew the Torah and the Prophets and was aware of these. The Bible is extremely clear that a dissolution of marriage has the same effect that death has to end the relationship between the persons involved.
So, by this logic, homosexual marriages should also stay intact. I do not agree with this logic. If the homosexual must stop their sin, so must those who are remarried while their original husband/wife remains alive (as "remarriage" in such cases are adultery according to God's Word).
You can't compare apples to oranges. A relationship between a man and a woman (which is how we were created), is different than with a man lying with a man or a woman with a woman. According to the Bible a homosexual relationship is wrong whether or not it has the stamp of marriage on it or not.
I fully agree with you Julene. Been the point I've made for 5 years already. If divorce and remarriage is okay, what's wrong with gays? How is it any different whatsoever.
I don't think you are right in this area. The reason is sin is sin and the deterrent to not get divorced is if remarried you are in a lifestyle of sin because God does not accept the marriage ever . Repentance is turning from the sin. Asking God to call sin not a sin is false teaching. You don't have scripture backing your claim. The reason is the trespass and hurt it can cause the kids or the ex that was divorced for any causes other than abandonment or sexual relationship outside of the marriage. To go on hurting others daily is sin and creates a lifestyle of sin. False teaching. As a teacher you are held accountable for this. Don't teach on feelings or others sensitive to sin. Call it out be true to his word and not scriptures that don't pertain to marriage.
What about Ezra 10? In that story God required the Israelites to divorce their Heathen spouses. God had previouisly forbidden the Isrelites to marry them. But they went ahead and married them in disobedience, and against the will of God. So did God say? "oh well, you disobeyed.... i guess just keep the vows you have made"? No He didn't. God required a divorce. Even tho people had already been married and many had already had children. God did not considered those marriages as valid and required a divorce. .. So why would God not expect a divorce from a relationship He views as adultery? Same thing applies to Homosexual marriages. Would God not require a divorce then? The example of the Samaritan woman is semantics. She was probably having an affair with a married man. (premarital sex or boy-friend / girlfriend did not exist in that culture). That is why Jesus said "the one you are with is not your husband"... He didn't mean, the previous 5 were valid husband. He obviously didn't want to make things unnecessarily complicated by starting a theological discussion with the Samaritan woman. Especially when the main "sin" she had to deal with, at that present moment, was that she was having an affair with a married man.
Interesting examples that require a host of assumptions. First, there is no evidence that God didn't consider their marriages valid in Ezra's day. When a man and a woman are bound in marriage, they are married! The two become one flesh. It wasn't physical adultery that was the problem in these marriages, but rather a spiritual adultery. The example that you cited is actually proof that I use that there are times that God did command a divorce from a marriage that didn't involve physical adultery. Also your assumption that the woman at the well was having an affair with a married man has no proof in Scripture to support it. And certainly Jesus did show a difference between an actual marriage and one in which two people are just living together. Jesus certainly did state that she had had five previous husbands. To say that, "...she was having an affair with a married man," is a dangerous statement. It's never wise to add something to God's Word that isn't said. However, I understand where you're coming from. You have to approach these passages the way you did to counter the other arguments used regarding these two passages. However, neither text supports your assumptions.
If you can repent on a 2-marriage...Why not a 3,4,5....That position just weakens Gods institution on marriage all together...It means that a mans covenant is not honored...The Gibeonites covenant is not based on Marriage and breaking an original covenant. It’s a spiritual trickery he is doing here. Romans 7:1-3
We need to look at the whole picture. Can one repent and be forgiven multiple times, sure. As Peter asked Jesus, "How many times must I forgive my brother, seven times?" Jesus said, "seventy times seven." Jesus wasn't making allowance for more sin, but that grace knows no bounds. When one truly repents in whatever marriage they are in, they make a stand that they will never commit the sin of divorce again and to remain faithful...to change the way they've been living and live right. It's like in Romans 6, "Should we keep on sining so that God's grace may increase? May it never be!" Paul wasn't correcting their theology and understanding of grace, but urged them to follow the Spirit. Romans 7 doesn't apply because Paul is just speaking to one aspect of the marriage as an illustration regarding the Law and the newness of the Spirit. And even if it were to apply, there is a different Greek word used in verse 3 as compared to verse 2. In verse 2 the normal Greek word for "married," is used. In verse 3, Paul employees a different Greek word rather than "married," which means to "join oneself," Paul's point is that when you're married to one man and living with another man, that is adultery, and you're still obligated to the marriage, which is true. Just because someone is having an affair with someone doesn't make them married to them. There is no "spiritual trickery," here, just the facts. God bless!
D. L. Starkey Your position doesn’t align with Kingdom principles, and side steps the topic completely. Marriage and Divorce.... 1. A marriage is a covenant and not a contract...A covenant can only be broken by death..Romans 7:1-3 2. Forgiveness is never a pathway for staying in a non-covenant marriage...Forgiveness is better expressed when the first covenant husband and wife exercise forgiveness and return to the covenant that was expressed before God and Congregation. 3. A marriage is a type and shadow of Christ and his bride. Christ never divorced his bride and married another. Ephesians 5:22-32 4. When a husband and wife make a vow. It’s recorded and sealed in Heaven. God hears that marriage vow and binds the two together until death departs..If one breaks a vow God is not pleased.. Ecclesiastes 5-6 6. Whoever divorces his wife is a fool, and shame and disgrace are his and will never be wiped away..Proverbs 6:32-33 7. Jesus said, Whoever divorces their spouse and marries another commits Adultery. Matthew 19:9 KJV. The early Christian church never taught divorce and remarriage. It was only when Erasmus and Martin Luther presented Humanism as part of scripture, and the pure institution of marriage began to weaken. 8. God made clear his position on divorce in Malachi 2:16...”I hate Divorce” when one divorces his/her spouse, this is exactly the opposite of forgiveness....Separation may be warranted for a season, but never divorce. 9. No man on earth has the authority or power to grant a divorce....Mark 10:9 states that What God has joined together, let no man put asunder...No 2-3-4th marriage with the covenant spouse alive is blessed by God.... 10. It’s stated we can’t unscramble eggs...Problem with that statement is, We are not eggs...We are people who have made right and wrong decisions...When you steal a car, you must return that which is stolen..When you marry someone else’s spouse, you have committed adultery and must leave the adulterous situation. The woman caught in the act, was told to Go and Sin no more... 11. There is no scripture that changes a remarriage into a legitimate marriage, forgiveness requires true repentance. That means you turn from the sinful situation. Why ask for forgiveness for something and remain in the same state? It shows that that the heart was never in the right place. 12. God made his position clear in Exodus 20-14...”Thou shall not commit Adultery”...He made a law...That law was to protect us from his judgement side, but also to spare us from hurt..When you commit adultery, you are creating collateral damage along the way: a. Hurting your covenant spouse. b. Dividing the home c. Confusing the kids, and bringing harm on the next generation. d. Causing the new spouse to enter adultery. e. Removing one self farther from Gods law. In order for you to return to God he is required to repair the collateral damage you cause...This repair will hurt, because the people-children-family members who were wrongfully brought into the situation may be harmed emotionally or even physically. So, to avoid creating further sin, he made his position clear...”THOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.” God is also hurt by the situation, because he will never change his law to suit people or situations. In Psalms 89:34, he stated: My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone from my lips. You see God is bound by his own word, and he states that no adulterers will enter the Kingdom. So when your covenant spouse sins against you, forgiveness is required of you ....How many times? 70 * 7.... The Apostle Paul never veered or added to Gods Marriage Laws..Acts 24:14. ‘Abut this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing ALL things which are written in the law and in the prophets”.... So if you are a believer, don’t be persuaded that it’s okay to violate Kingdom principles and asking for forgiveness and not repenting will make you safe. Romans 12:2 encourages people not to conform to the world, but be TRANSFORMED by the RENEWING of your mind. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 To the married I give this command ( Not I but the Lord). A wife must not separate from her husband, but if she does, she must remain UN-MARRIED OR BE RECONCILED. A husband MUST NOT DIVORCE HIS WIFE. The scripture is clear, don’t compromise your salvation for so called pleasure here on earth or mere man approval...GOD IS THE FINAL JUDGE...
The two shall become ONE FLESH...You can never DIVIDE ONE..YOU CAN ONLY CUT IT IN HALF...So if you are remarried, you have a half that will only fit with the original covenant spouse.
D. L. Starkey after examining scripture as required , line upon line, and precept upon precept..This is definitely spiritual trickery...ROMANS 3:4 Let GOD be true and let every man be a liar.
@@walkertb01 Considering the whole counsel of God on a subject is not "spiritual trickery." You quote Romans 3:4. What is the context that that verse is taken from? Earlier in verse 3, Paul says, "...If some did not believe, will their unbelief cancel God's faithfulness?" Then, "absolutely not! God must be true, even if everyone is a liar, as it is written: that you may be justified in your words..." This is speaking in regard to salvation and in either rejecting or accepting Christ. This has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. This is the problem: people will just grab a verse here or there without understanding the context from where they plucked it from. But I do agree with you that it's vital that we need to study the Scripture "line upon line, and precept upon precept." Something that apparently, you fail to do. Sadly, some folks just don't have to ability to discern God's word.
How his telling you to stop after the mistake ? You left one marriage ? God forgives u, u go For it again repent stay in that relationship n respect that oath . How many times have u sinned repeatedly? His telling u to stop 🛑 at 2nd. Remind there not continue !
Love this ministry, and maybe I'm wrong God will have to show me, but this is literally the first time I have strongly disagreed with Jon piper, how can I repent and stay in the same adulterous marriage, ??? Doesnt work that way for other sins?????? I am very confused and grieved by this message . He is wiggling, I believe around " breaking up homes" better to be broken than condemmed.
Easy if you ever heard of spiritual death.. you don't have to repent for a sin you never committed. Remarriage is very legal in God's eyes you just have to know the scriptures to understand his l aw.. Copy paste..Not all marriages are put together by God (Joshua 23:12-13, Ezra Ch. 9:13-14, & 10:2-3, 10-13)...not to mention “David and Bathsheba or Samson and Delilah” 2. There are many unequally yoked marriages that God Hates even MORE than divorce (Exodus 34:14,16, Deut 7:3-4, Deut 13:6-10, 1 Kings 11:1-4) 3. Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today, and forever (Heb 13:8) 4. This means that God STILL commands us to separate from the disobedient and wicked...Ps 1:1, 26:5, Psa 101:4, 7-8, 119:113, 115, 118, Pro 13:20, 19:19, 22:10, 22:24-25, 23:9, Mat 7:6, 10:34-38, 18:17, Mark 3:25, 8:22, 10:14, 12:30, Rom 1:32, Rom 16:17, 1 Cor 5:11-12, 1 Cor 15:33, 2 Cor 6:14-17, Eph 5:3-7, 5:11-14, 2 Tim 3:1-5, Tit 3:10-11, Heb 1:8-9, 1 Tim 5:22, 2 John 1:11, Rev 18:4) 5. NONE of the above commands are abolished by the temporary institution called “marriage” 6. Jesus’ teaching on divorce was specifically to a Jewish audience (Just as each of His messages to the 7 churches in Revelation 2-3 were specific to each church in accordance to THEIR unique issues and sins, so too was His teaching in the Gospels on divorce specific to Jews who were in a divorce crisis, divorcing for any foolish reason, because their hearts were hard. (Matthew 19:8) 7. Even still, Jesus did not fail to give this concession to those Jews who were quick to divorce, saying, “Except for Adultery” regarding remarriage in Matthew 19:9 8. Jesus intentionally chose a woman who was divorced and remarried FIVE times to evangelize an entire town. Never once did he say to her, “God Hates divorce or you can never marry again, or you are going to hell because you remarried FIVE TIMES!” (John 4:1-25) 9. The same word used in 1 Corinthians 7:39 to describe the widow who is no longer “bound”, and thus free to remarry is the exact same word used in the phrase “no longer bound” in 1 Corinthians 7:15, to describe the new condition of the believing spouse who has been left by a believing spouse. 10. The greater principle in the NEW Covenant than “physical death” which can separate a marriage, is “spiritual death”. Many people are indeed in marriages, living with spiritually dead people who have once and for all rejected Christ and that death is slowly spreading to the “living spouse”, which is EXACTLY why God placed all the commands listed above to SEPARATE from the disobedient...He is trying to preserve a Holy uncontaminated remnant. This cannot be done when a person is living with a “dead body” yoking their light to the darkness. Passages showing Spiritual death in Scripture: (Mat 8:22, 23:27, John 5:24, 6:63, 12:40, Rom 7:10, 8:2, 8:6, Eph 2:1, 2:5, Col 2:13, Jam 1:15, 2:26, 1 Timothy 5:6, Rev 3:1) 11. Anyone who has doubts about divorce or remarriage should NOT move forward in either, until you have heard clearly from the Lord and can move forward by faith. Anything not done in faith (with doubt) is sin. Romans 14:23 12. Only God, by His Holy Spirit can give Revelation on the deep things and matters of His heart on subjects like this. God reveals them to Babes but hides them from the clever, the proud, the legalistic and the “wise and learned”. Matthew 11:25-26 Luke 7:33-35 NIV [33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' [34] The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' [[Michael Chriswell came and remarried after his first wife had an affair and then years later divorced him for serving God rather than money, and you say, 'Here is a lawbreaker and adulterer.']] [35] But wisdom is proved right by all her children." In this part of the book we look into the principle of spiritual death in the new covenant and the role it plays in some divorce and remarriage situations. Also, we talk about remarriage and finding God's specific will for your life. May the Lord bless you as you listen!
Mr. Piper none of those verses you used explains why a person should stay in an adulterous marriage. When we look at God's mercy it involves confession and forsaking....Ps.28:13, I believe. So how can I confess something is saying and then remain in it without forsaken it thinking that I'm going to receive God's mercy. That makes no sense. That mean that I can continue in any sin just as long as I asked for forgiveness with tears and crying. Because of this this is why the church can't say anything to those that are in these same-sex marriages. Because we've compromise the truth come one man for one woman for life. How can someone steal my wife and then God forgives them for stealing my wife. That's definitely not loving your neighbor as you love yourself. That's being a thief, continuously. What about 1st Corinthians 7:10 it says that that woman that leaves her husband she's to remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband if she wants a man and then verse 11 concludes with and the husband should not divorce his wife which is a command. Normally the person will remarry. But it's saying don't divorce. I think he began to feel the pressure love his original stance on MDR.
Also Pastor John I think it would be good to add the passage about unbelieving husbands and wives. If they don’t want to stay then the believer is permitted to let them go as we are called to peace. And if we do get divorced Pal says it is better for the woman (don’t think he mentions the man) to remain unmarried or return to her previous husband. He says she’s happier if she doesn’t find another husband in his opinion. But if the widows (I guess this includes the divorcees) cannot stay sexually pure then they should remarry.
God bless you for your stand Pastor John. Nothing brings out the Christian Pharisees like this topic. Long may love and mercy stand firm over condemnation and judgement for those who try their best to repent and live in renewed obedience despite past sins/errors. All sin is hateful and none more than a judgemental heart.
oh really....standing up for the Word of God....go ahead....I will look forward to seeing what happens to you, and your followers, on judgement day....
@@julietten7527 Believe whatever your want in your brainwashed mind. Divorce and remarriage remain adultery no matter what world pleasing pastors say so they do not get fired by their board of directors! I will teach and preach this with intensity for the rest of my life! Wise up woman!
I was married to a pastor. Divorce was sin. Remarriage was sin. I thought this marriage from him was okay. He's not cheating on me if he's married and we may not even remarry, but now she left. Jesus comes back so soon. I asked Him what I had to do. I read so much preachings on it. This one says this. That one says that. I said: God I don't know. Do I have to go back to my first ex, second ex or can I marry someone else? He said: Marry Me. Time is short. They were marrying and giving into marriage. I said if that's really what You want, I want to see Your Face and that night I saw Jesus and me on a sail ship. He was the Captain.
You also cannot continue in slander and achieve salvation. Gossip, anger, hate, false witnessing, sloth, jealousy all disqualifies you from God's Kingdom. But all these sins are accepted by the churches and rarely repented of!
@@philipbuckley759 my point is that if unrepentant adultery keeps you from the Kingdom then any other unrepentant sin will too. But the focus seems to be on adultery and not the others!
You can't repent for sin and continue in that sin, that's not true repentance. The marriage covenant stands and w/out the death of a spouse remarriage is not supported by God's word.
Everyone is still in sin. Irregardless of you trying aka repenting you will never cease to sin. You sin when you think, act, or do anything sinful. This world is sin Jesus is the cure. Also if Jesus does not have the power by his Grace through his blood sacrifice to cover our sins, past, present, future … we are absolutely screwed and 90% of ppl will burn in hell for simply thinking with lust in within themselves. Why not cut our hands off from sinning our legs from walking us to get to that sin and our eyes because we look with impurity. We are screwed if Jesus cannot complete what he said he clearly did in romans, Ephesians ect he states it everywhere !! Stop being theologians
@@philipbuckley759 a distinction manufactured by legalists. 1 John 1 teaches that God is continually cleansing us from our continual sin. The verbs are in the present tense. You sin every day. Call it "living" in sin, or don't. Either way you are continually sinning and only Christ can save you.
Continuing in sin would be continuing to divorce and remarry. This is the pattern that God wants one to break. To, yet again, break another covenant and marriage is continuing to do the same sin over and over again.
@@martin9410 nope. Twisting scripture is also a sin. That legalistic view is absent among reputable theologians, most notably Jesus, who acknowledgement that the woman at the well had been married five times.
People who add to what Jesus said in the Bible for the "exception", putting the innocent party under a yolk that they themselves have not even proven to be able to live up to, are themselves as "hardened" as the spouse who betrayed you. I am 57 and has been Christian since age 12, lived in different countries, and practiced social work over 30 yrs in the US. I have never seen any pastor or church leader who would put their own sister or son/daughter under such a yolk, when they firsthand saw this most important covenant in one's life being chattered, after reasonable/repeated efforts to amend failed. They firsthand witnessed the pain of their loved ones and had to assist in their day-to-day recovery. The "truth" of what Jesus taught about divorce and remarriage automatically revealed in ALL of them without need to debate, no matter what country, era or ethnicity they came from. They absolutely have no doubt and no mood to add or subtract from what God repeatedly taught clearly in both old and new Testaments about these cases of "exceptions".
@@philipbuckley759 I mean the pastors in most churches say one thing but does exactly the opposite when it comes to their own children getting divorced. They immediately found their loves ones a good partner and immediately help them move on. However, if you are a totally unrelated church member, the pastor and church leaders would tell you the most conservative answer, would totally avoid the subject of dating and marriage in divorcees the best they can. They don't really care how much you are suffering the rest of your life in reality.
So everyone divorced needs to pray for the death of their previous spouse. Great! Got it. Lets say Hypothetically your spouse is dead because you killed him or her, well then are you free to remarry?
Sad but it does seem that way...actually, if you remarried, according to the strict law believers, the marriage isn’t valid anyway. So, ask forgiveness and mean it, live as devoted companions, and give up sex, and you will be you will be lawful.
Right ? That’s what I’m seeing over and over again on this topic. I divorced over 5 years ago. My ex husband is in a new relationship and that’s not a relationship I would re-enter anyway. But I’m supposed to remain single for the rest of my life because he’s still alive? How are we operating under grace but having this unusually strict rule? I understand how God sees marriage. But many women desire marriage, especially where children are concerned. Single motherhood is especially challenging. I don’t understand the strictness on this topic.
@@maunder01 I believe our Savior Jesus is a redeemer. Would you not attempt to have children ever again just because maybe you had an abortion in the past at one point? The Bible doesn’t speak on this because it wasn’t something I think many in biblical times could even fathom, but today it’s a very definite possibility with modern medicine. So now what? Is grace no longer grace? Do our pasts all of a sudden now define us even though God says to forget the former things and focus on the NEW thing He is doing?! I am convinced that a hard and fast rule needs a deeper back story and context understanding before we jump on the “it says what it says” train. I am not against remarriage. Even the “unbiblical” ones. If our hearts are repentant and turned toward Jesus Christ, then we stand in freedom and newness of life and should fear NO ONE or NO THING who speaks out against us. Amen.
I'm sooo confused 🤔 I am a divorcee since 2010 but also afraid to date or to get married again, since I know what I have read in the Holy Scripture. Lord have mercy, I'm only 39 yrs young......
What the Bible says.... Many of you are wondering what are the grounds of divorce and remarriage... Moses gave the certificate of divorce for the hardness of man's heart but individuals were not permitted to remarry. Divorce and remarriage is only permitted through death or fornication Not adultery/sexual immorality( Read the most accurate translation KJV). These are two different words(definitions). Fornication is sex before marriage, Adultery is sex outside your marriage. In those days a man was under the assumption that he was marrying a virgin. A nurse would stand outside the tent with a towel as they consummated(had sex) the marriage, if blood was not present and the female hymen was not broken she was found not to be a virgin. Because he married her under false pretense he was allowed to divorce her and remarry. Anyone else who divorces there spouse is to remain single or reconciled back to there spouse if they haven't remarried. If they enter into another relationship they are living in Adultery... Matt 5:32-But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Matt 19:9- And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Mark 10-12-And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. Luke 16:18-Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery. 1Cor 7:39-The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
how do a theif repent? how do a homosexuality marriage repent? why would God honor vows on a union that he calls adultrey? should a homosexuality honor his vows? is there any biblical characters that did divorce and remarriage that God has joined?
ben parks but according to pipers video even though its not the vows still bind it. if its not then a 2nd marraige called adultrey isn't a marriage either
Chris Ewalt yes but even Jesus said to the Samaritan woman in john 4 that she had 5 husband's...I hear what your saying but I also understand that there are 2nd marriages and I do believe it would be wrong to divorce
What advice did he give her. Go back to husband number 1 2 or 5 stay with 6. He didn't give any instructions to her so its a bad biblical example to justify remarriage today
The scripture is clear on many ocations that remarriage is sin and it's an ongoing sin. To repent is to stop what you are doing and turn away from it, you can not repent on a second marriage and stay in it. That's impossible. It's like stealing a car and repent on stealing while still driving the car, it just doesnt make any sense. Repent turn from their wicked way! Luk 16:18 is a good start. 1 Corinth 7:10-11 is the most highlighted one. 1 Corinth 7:39 ( also Romans 7 :2-3 ) is also very clear on this and also explains what God ment by 1 flesh. About keeping your vows is described in Bible both in new and Old testament: Numbers 30:1-3 Showcases what the Bible means Deuteronomy 23:21-23 Is another example and a pretty good one too. Ecclesiastes 5:4-6 also showcases that if breaking a vow make you commit sin. NT: Matt 5:33.37 In v32 it's pointed out again: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. And Desiring Gods own lecure about 1 Tessaloniians 3:3-8 just puts marriage in a totally new perspective. Yes you can divorce if you are in a brutal and damaging marriage, but 1 Corinth shows us how we can Honor and serve God the best way. The Gibeonites were cursed for their falsehood, how can you suggest this to be good? Saul honor Gods wish to exterminate the Gibeonites and David Honor Joshua's vow with 7 sons of Saul to be hanged. 2 Samuel 21. So no, you can not suggest this to be an excuse for remarrige due to a false vow. The woman at the well is again not an indicator that she was married, as Jesus say. We do not know the conditions of the arangement other than that the woman was an outcast, which indicates she had no marriage relationship to this man she was living with. Saying that this is an "excuse" for remarriage will contradict 1 Corinth 7:39 and the Bible does not contradict itself. It's been said ( by this channel )that marriage is a symbol of the marriage we have to Jesus, we cannot exchange Jesus with a new or different Jesus. THAT does not make any sense at all and is quite frankly impossible. I'm so shocked with pastors, preacher that tries to find loopholes in the Bible to get around to justify a new marriage when the previous one broke. Life is not fair, Honoring God is not easy in this matter. 1 Corinth 7:39-40 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God. You can not get around this Bible verse without contradicting the Bible. Ephhesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. ESV: For you may be sure of this, that ueveryone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God
Once divorced we are not allowed to remarry again that is considered adulterous acts! Mathew 19:9 so every time u lay with ur second or third or so on wife u are committing adultery!!! The only exception is if ur partner commits adultery while you still married to that person
Pastor John Hagee is on his SECOND marriage ~ he divorced his first wife in 1975. NOTE:--- "Christians don't steal or lie, they don't get divorced or have abortions." That is a DIRECT QUOTE from Pastor John Hagee in "The Fish Gate" sermon, September 2nd, 2007. John Hagee married his first wife (Martha Downing) in 1960; he DIVORCED her in 1975, and married a member of his congregation (Diana Castro) a year later. Here's the full info: John Hagee married Martha Downing in 1960, and the couple had two children together. Hagee was the pastor at Trinity Church in San Antonio, but criticism from his divorce caused him to resign. Hagee has three children with Castro, named Matthew, Christina and Sandy. Hagee and his children with Castro are also musicians, who performed together as The Hagees. On May 11, 1975, Hagee started a new church, called The Church at Castle Hills. Although it only had 25 members to start, it quickly grew in size, leading to two expansions. The first was a sanctuary with 1,600 seats, and the second was a sanctuary with 5,000 seats. Hagee named the second sanctuary Cornerstone Church. His son, Matthew, later took over as executive pastor of the church. John Hagee has written books, and numerous religious television stations broadcast his sermons. He has also founded religious organizations. John Hagee wrote in a 1975 letter to his congregation that he was guilty of immorality, after which he divorced his wife, Martha Downing. The exact immorality is unknown. Some claim that Hagee had an extra-marital affair with Diana Castro, who had been a member of his former church congregation. He married Diana Castro, on April 12, 1976. The remarriage immediately following his divorce led to allegations that he had an affair during his marriage. John Hagee was the founder and senior pastor of Trinity Church. The news of his impending divorce surprised his congregation. Martha gained the custody of their two children in the divorce. We never hear about his two children with his first wife, do we? #
Adultery is not an exception that allows for divorce. The word used is fornication. It didn't say adultery or sexual immorality. The new versions changed the original term from fornication to "sexual immorality." Now anyone can claim "sexual immorality" and then subsequently divorce. It is too much of a broad term and was NOT the original term used in scripture. The original term was specifically fornication.
Here's the thing: 1. I had a messy and sexless marriage 2. He didn't want me, but was very into porn 3. Then once I found text in his phone to another woman. I don't know the extent of their affair 4. I was extremely lonely and the whole circumstance of the marriage was affecting my mental health 5. I tried marriage counseling, I tried talking to him, I tried seeking intervention of family and friends but things only got worse 6. I've now been on medication for depression and anxiety for almost 5 years Given all of the above, is my divorce biblically justified? I've been single for almost 8 years since the divorce. But if I ever find a godly man, would it be sin if I remarried?
I’d say no. It’s not justified. I’d say you should focus on yourself first. Get right with the Lord if you’re not saved. Turn to Christ and repent and turn from your sins. Read the Bible, be obedient to God. Love him by getting to know him and read the Bible. I’d recommend a KJV. But after all that. Forgiveness is key. And praying for his salvation is key. Then you’d two work towards God and bringing glory to him. Will you go to hell for a divorce? I’d say no. It’s something that makes God mad. But maybe not worthy of hell. BUT remarriage is a sin and getting remarried you commit adultery. And then you are LIVING in sin. And that’s not the works of a saved soul. The Bible gives two cases for divorce but NO reason except one for remarriage and that’s if your spouse dies. This applies to everything but God chastises his children, so if you’re married while being divorced and don’t feel bad every day. Then I’d say God isn’t chastising you. That’s a key for not being his child. Proverbs 10:22. Forgive him, pray for him. But don’t feel life is revolves around being married. That’s causes fleshly needs and desires that cause us to sin and not stay obedient to God. Life without a spouse isn’t lonely, strive to do Gods work and he’s always with you. No matter how depressing it may sound at first. I’ll pray for you and your ex husband. But God hates divorce. Try to reconcile...Hope this helped.
@@Texasguy316 thanks... Yes all my attention has been on God and my son... I'm not desperate for a spouse.... I just wondered... My spouse has remarried and moved on... So there's no possibility of getting back together... Thank you for your response
There is only one prohibition for remarriage in the bible and that is when a Christians is divorced from a Christian (1 Cor.7:11). They are expected to reconcile. Your former husband's behavior doesn't speak of him being a Christian. In 1 Cor. 7:8,9 the unmarried (divorced) and widows are instructed to marry rather than burn with passion or as Paul said earlier to avoid fornication (v.2). "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." If you follow biblical history from Moses to Jesus to Paul (chronology) you will see that remarriage was not prohibited until Paul did so for believers married to believers. Has your former husband been born again sense the divorce? Is he already remarried? Blessings
Don't you listen to Texas guy. God does not expect us to stay in an abusive or harmful marriage. Re marrying is not adultery. Your spouse made the choice of breaking covenants.
If the two of you were never married before you met each other, then you're still married(one flesh for life) in God's eyes. Notice in scripture, Jesus said to either remain single or RECONCILE not REMARRY. Why reconcile? Because you're still married. Going to divorce court & signing papers doesn't break the marriage covenant. God prefers reconciliation, if possible or otherwise remain single.
@@sheranda77 , amen, we were both single before we got married, but she divorced me, but thanks for the encouragement, I never stop loving her though her heart is hard and loved another man, I just look to Samson and Hosea as my examples to get through a life of betrayal and adultery with Gods grace.. So should I keep praying for her repentance to return? Thanks..
@@Yulowirri Of course, keep praying for her because ultimately she's committing adultery against you & causing another man to commit adultery & most importantly broke her vow to God. God can change the hardest of hearts. I wish society would realize how serious & how permanent the marriage covenant is. Most ppl think it's the same as dating.
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@@sheranda77 amen, thank you in the Lord, I will keep pray for her day and night, which is what the heart of God is, to love, I will have a look, if you could pray for my wife as well, my englisg name is Darran Williams and my Wife goes by Ngaire Micheals now, your prayers would be a blesing knowing there are other believers that follow God's command of 'He hates divorce' - Malachi.... God bless and praise the Lord for your fellowship.
I have a girlfriend right now for the first time in nearly 5 years and I'm 30. So one of her best friends is dating a divorced guy, he knocked her up, and she's planning to move in with him and marrying him next year sometime. Crazy part is, about a month ago, i went to a baptism service for this young lady at the behest of my girlfriend, and I'm utterly confused as to how that is even the slightest reflection of a Christian relationship, and also find it concerning that my girlfriend is super excited about the whole thing and is hoping to be a bridesmaid. It's just given me a strong sense of unease that if she sees nothing wrong with that situation, if we were to continue dating and get married, if I make a mistake (or numerous ones, because I'm a fleshbound sinful creature) will she eventually just throw her hands up and leave? Doesn't a man who is married commit adultery in his heart even by looking at a woman lustfully?
But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for a single stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law. Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. Now there was a rich man dressed in purple and fine linen, who lived each day in joyous splendor. Luke 16:17-19 There is no dispute! A person cannot stay in a marriage that is NOT a marriage to begin with because it is ADULTERY! Matthew gives an "exception" which is not an exception in modern day society anywhere. That exception is the cause of fornication. Matthew is written to a "Jewish" audience! The cause of fornication as found in Deuteronomy 22:20 is where a woman has been found to have lied in her vows on the night of her wedding claiming to be a virgin yet alas there's no blood on the sheets!
What if my husband Byron Andrew Hassell chooses sin and doesn't want to stay in a marriage because he believes that he has no need for marriage but yet I want to stay in the marriage but my husband is being selfish choosing sins over staying in the marriage should I pray and if so can you pray with me
People are getting confused between the act of remarriage and the state of remarriage, and thus missing his argument. His argument is as follows. The act of remarriage is a sin. The state of being remarried is not sinful. This is seen in how a relationship wrongly entered can be sanctified, as seen throughout scripture. As such, if you are remarried then what God expects from you is the same as for anyone in a first marriage, plus repentance of the wrong you did in starting this marriage. If you are divorced and unmarried, getting married again is a sin, so don't do it. This is all in his clip above. Note also the careful consideration he gives it in his article, because there is more to it than this, but the article is there to be read.
Not all marriages are put together by God (Joshua 23:12-13, Ezra Ch. 9:13-14, & 10:2-3, 10-13)...not to mention “David and Bathsheba or Samson and Delilah” 2. There are many unequally yoked marriages that God Hates even MORE than divorce (Exodus 34:14,16, Deut 7:3-4, Deut 13:6-10, 1 Kings 11:1-4) 3. Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today, and forever (Heb 13:8) 4. This means that God STILL commands us to separate from the disobedient and wicked...Ps 1:1, 26:5, Psa 101:4, 7-8, 119:113, 115, 118, Pro 13:20, 19:19, 22:10, 22:24-25, 23:9, Mat 7:6, 10:34-38, 18:17, Mark 3:25, 8:22, 10:14, 12:30, Rom 1:32, Rom 16:17, 1 Cor 5:11-12, 1 Cor 15:33, 2 Cor 6:14-17, Eph 5:3-7, 5:11-14, 2 Tim 3:1-5, Tit 3:10-11, Heb 1:8-9, 1 Tim 5:22, 2 John 1:11, Rev 18:4) 5. NONE of the above commands are abolished by the temporary institution called “marriage” 6. Jesus’ teaching on divorce was specifically to a Jewish audience (Just as each of His messages to the 7 churches in Revelation 2-3 were specific to each church in accordance to THEIR unique issues and sins, so too was His teaching in the Gospels on divorce specific to Jews who were in a divorce crisis, divorcing for any foolish reason, because their hearts were hard. (Matthew 19:8) 7. Even still, Jesus did not fail to give this concession to those Jews who were quick to divorce, saying, “Except for Adultery” regarding remarriage in Matthew 19:9 8. Jesus intentionally chose a woman who was divorced and remarried FIVE times to evangelize an entire town. Never once did he say to her, “God Hates divorce or you can never marry again, or you are going to hell because you remarried FIVE TIMES!” (John 4:1-25) 9. The same word used in 1 Corinthians 7:39 to describe the widow who is no longer “bound”, and thus free to remarry is the exact same word used in the phrase “no longer bound” in 1 Corinthians 7:15, to describe the new condition of the believing spouse who has been left by a believing spouse. 10. The greater principle in the NEW Covenant than “physical death” which can separate a marriage, is “spiritual death”. Many people are indeed in marriages, living with spiritually dead people who have once and for all rejected Christ and that death is slowly spreading to the “living spouse”, which is EXACTLY why God placed all the commands listed above to SEPARATE from the disobedient...He is trying to preserve a Holy uncontaminated remnant. This cannot be done when a person is living with a “dead body” yoking their light to the darkness. Passages showing Spiritual death in Scripture: (Mat 8:22, 23:27, John 5:24, 6:63, 12:40, Rom 7:10, 8:2, 8:6, Eph 2:1, 2:5, Col 2:13, Jam 1:15, 2:26, 1 Timothy 5:6, Rev 3:1) 11. Anyone who has doubts about divorce or remarriage should NOT move forward in either, until you have heard clearly from the Lord and can move forward by faith. Anything not done in faith (with doubt) is sin. Romans 14:23 12. Only God, by His Holy Spirit can give Revelation on the deep things and matters of His heart on subjects like this. God reveals them to Babes but hides them from the clever, the proud, the legalistic and the “wise and learned”. Matthew 11:25-26 Luke 7:33-35 NIV [33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' [34] The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' [[Michael Chriswell came and remarried after his first wife had an affair and then years later divorced him for serving God rather than money, and you say, 'Here is a lawbreaker and adulterer.']] [35] But wisdom is proved right by all her children." In this part of the book we look into the principle of spiritual death in the new covenant and the role it plays in some divorce and remarriage situations. Also, we talk about remarriage and finding God's specific will for your life. May the Lord bless you as you listen!
Wisely said. This has created much confusion. I'm remarried but my ex-husband cheated on me a few times, filed for divorce, cancelled it, then I filed because of everything, found someone else, then divorce finalized. It was so messed up. But now remarried, I've learned and repented for my part in not honoring God in what he'd told me to do. My ex was abusive and cheated, but I should have remained still. I cried, begged, pleaded, and retaliated for things to stop for a long time. He finally paused when I found someone else. I remarried three years after my divorce, but I was not healed and had no idea of anything different. Now my eyes are opened. My ex is still alive, thank God, but God said "go and sin no more." If I were divorce my current husband that would be committing another willful sin against God to break a vow I made. Besides my first husband cheated multiple times giving me the out. However, now that I know the importance of marriage, I would pray for my husband's heart and his salvation.
@@flyhigh6591 Unequally yoked marriages are bad, but even worse are adulterous marriages. Read 1 Corinthians 7 and Romans 7. There is no excuse to divorce and remarry if the partner is still alive.
@@patrickhamilton7849 probably not a good idea to remarry in this generation . But fortunately for those who dare to tie the knot a second time there is no scripture anywhere written in the King James version that says you cannot remarry if your spouse is physically or spiritually dead. No not one. The biggest issue concerning marriage divorce and remarriage is most people like to read a couple scriptures that says if you remarry while you're a spouse is alive then you're going to hell. Well that's not exactly a quote but that's the point isn't it? I have challenged multiple people and some who know the bible really well and no one can show me even (one) scripture in which God clearly distinguishes the difference between physical and spiritual death. HOWEVER I get a lot of opinions concerning the topic. opinions are extremely dangerous. . I challenge anyone on UA-cam to show me where God clearly separates the difference between physical and spiritual death. It must be 100% scripture and zero opinion, anyone?? Well there is no such scripture but there are several scriptures God clearly does not define the difference between the two. they're both one in the same to him . If you like I can send you these scriptures ? Here's one scripture that has a lot to do with remarriage( indirectly) In Matthew 8:21, one of the disciples of Jesus said unto Him: “Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. Jesus said unto him in Matthew 8:22: “Follow me: and let the dead bury their dead.”
There is no forgiveness if there is no true repentance .... True repentance means that you repent and abandon the sim, if you keep in sim there is no forgiveness! Proverbs 28:13
I was married and my wife was married. We were rank backsliders, of course we practiced backsliding as we were both raised Pentecostal. Neither of us truly knew the truth until somewhere around 2006. We began listening to Alistair Begg, John Piper, JMac, etc. We have been married 31 years and our families are really encouraging us to pastor in our small community that is either hard core Pentecostal/charismatic, Over the top Independent Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, and Catholic. Our family has watched our growth and I have been performing weddings and other duties of a minister. I am struggling because I desire to teach God's Word and help our family members come to the truth about the Doctrines of Grace. They are open to hearing the Truth over the junk they learned in the Pentecostal/charismatic movement the past 80 years. We could have a small congregation if we started a small church. I became very serious about the Lord in 2006 and He done great things in our family. Our children and grandchildren love for Him. Are there sins we committed before we came to the knowledge of the truth in a more excellent way counted against me and do they prevent me from being a Pastor? Prayerful answers please.
Very Respectfully With All Due Respect Good Gods Day, Praying for anyone who is experiencing these non-Scriptural marriages that become a great hard-ship once Scriptural Truth Has Been Truly Taught , ●Scripturally in order to be right with God you both must either go back to your very first spouses or remain single and as of right now strictly according to Gods Holy Scriptures you 2two must get a divorce on paper because Scripturally God does not even see this marriage at all, ●Scripturally you can not be a minister being in the state of "Adultery" which is what you both are in right now, ●And as you seem very sincere about being in some type of compacity participating in congregation leadership, Scripturally and Spiritually you may need to first get in order your divorce that needs to take place with this current Un-Scriptural marriage and then maybe serve in the church in other ways, you are Scripturally not qualified to be in leadership, not at all, not until you go back to your first spouse and live a working Faithful life to God and then qualify after being proven to God per your Obediance To Gods Commands, ●"IF" you have ever been married before and that spouse is still living you are Sctipturally "ONLY" allowed to "GO BACK" to that very first spouse; ●1st Scripturally you both must be each other's first spouse ever, If you happen to be a 2nd, 3rd spouse Scripturally God does not even see the marriage because no divorced person is Scripturally they "CAN NOT" re-marry no one new, they Scripturally "MUST" go back to their very first spouse, Separation is "THE ONLY" authorized resolve that God The Heavenly Father Scripturally allows for marital problems that exist within a marriage that Scripturally consist of the marriage being the "VERY FIRST" marriage for both parties, Scripturally God "DOES NOT" authorize divorce "NOT AT ALL" but Sctipturally God The Heavenly Father Authorizes A separation "BUT!!!!" Scripturally the separation has to be for the purpose of "RECONCILLING THE MARRIAGE", while you both are seperated you both are Scripturally Commanded to be "WORKING ON RESOLVING YOUR MARITAL PEOBLEMS TO THEN EVENTUALLY YOU BOTH COMING BACK TOGETHER, THE LORD KNOWS THAT SOME THINGS DO TAKE TIME BUT GOD COMMANDS RECONVILIATION OF THE MARRIAGE, BOTTOM-LINE!! May Gods Holy Scriptures In Gods Love Enlighten all, ●●●●●●●●●●●●● Since God Is The Authority* *Over All Scripturual Marriages* *Let's us see what The* *Authority God Himself says* *about Marriage* ●●●●●●●●●●●●●●● DIVORCE IS SCRIPTURALLY NEVER EVER APPROVED BY GOD, NEVER! ●●●●●●●●●●●●●●● *MATTHEW 5:31-32 NKJV* “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery. *LUKE 16:18 NKJV* 18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery. ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ *1 CORINTHIANS 7:10-16 NKJV* 10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife. 12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. 13 And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife? *1 CORINTHIANS 7:39 NKJV* 39 A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord. *MALACHI **2:16** NKJV* 16 "For the Lord God of Israel says That He hates divorce, For it covers one's garment with violence," Says the Lord of hosts. "Therefore take heed to your spirit, That you do not deal treacherously. *MATTHEW 19:1-9 NKJV* Jesus' Teaching on Divorce 19 1 Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these sayings, that He departed from Galilee and came to the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. 2 And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them there. 3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" 4 And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' 5 and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate." 7 They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" 8 He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery." ●●●●●●●●●●●●●●● These Scriptures apply to 1. a male and female marriage only 2. those who are married to their very first spouse ☆Only a spouse that is deceased from the one living spouse is Scripturally allowed to remarry, no one else is allowed to be remarried according to Scripture ●●●●●●●●●●●●●●● God does not Scripturally authorize nor does God even acknowledge 2nd-second 3rd-third and 4th-fourth spouses V/R
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Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. *ACTS 2:38 NKJV* Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. ●*LIVE A WORKING FAITHFUL* *LIFE UNTIL DEATH:* *REVELATION 2:10 (NKJV)* 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. 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Good audio. I needed this. I'm about to marry a woman who got a divorce because her ex was unfaithful and physically abusive. He also completely abandoned their 2 year old daughter, so I'm adopting her too.
Dustin Layton Once divorced we are not allowed to remarry again that is considered adulterous acts! Mathew 19:9 so every time u lay with ur second or third or so on wife u are committing adultery!!! That applies to her also now when it comes to abuse she needs to ask God for help not leave the marriage!!
Despite what she has been through, you are not allowed to marry her if her first spouse is still alive, because she remains one flesh with him till one of them dies. If you marry her, you would be causing her to commit adultery, based on what the Bible says. She must remain unmarried or reconcile to her first husband. She should also seek God and become born-again, after which the understanding becomes much clearer. If you have married already to her at the time of this comment, you must leave her and she should remain unmarried or be reconciled to her first husband.
Matthew 5.32, later part of the verse on the marrying a divorced woman...But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and pwhoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Again, this guys is looking, and trying to analyze any and every other passage in the bible that will somehow make it ok for divorce and remarriage. Your not going to ever get peace about it because its Not Okay, Jesus had the final word. It is amazing that people will continue to find a way around it.
Paul said if he/she leaves then you’re free because they have left. You can’t be held to a covenant that your spouse has abandoned (1 Corinthians 7). So what if your spouse says they hate you and they will never be a wife/husband to you? They have abandoned the marriage but refuse to leave. This brings us back to what Jesus said about divorce. He said that He gave laws concerning divorce because of the hard hearts of people. It is not the way He wants it, but some people refuse to be a spouse and trap the other person in a relationship that can drive a person to despair. Does a person have to stay in a marriage with a hard hearted spouse who drives them into depression because they are trapped, bound to an unloving, hateful, spiteful person? Would you tell a person to stay year after year for 20, 30 years or more with a satan led evil person?
People who add to what Jesus said in the Bible for the "exception", putting the innocent party under a yolk that they themselves have not even proven to be able to live up to, are themselves as "hardened" as the spouse who betrayed you. I am 57 and has been Christian since age 12, lived in different countries, and practiced social work over 30 yrs in the US. I have never seen any pastor or church leader who would put their own sister or son/daughter under such a yolk, when they firsthand saw this most important covenant in one's life being chattered, after reasonable/repeated efforts to amend failed. They firsthand witnessed the pain of their loved ones and had to assist in their day-to-day recovery. The "truth" of what Jesus taught about divorce and remarriage automatically revealed in ALL of them without need to debate, no matter what country, era or ethnicity they came from. They absolutely have no doubt and no mood to add or subtract from what God repeatedly taught clearly in both old and new Testaments about these cases of "exceptions".
Conservative evangelical Christianity is a joke - and not a very funny one. Others on this thread have already pointed this out but I will put it in my own words. If a man divorces his wife for anything other than adultery or desertion and then meets another woman and hoodwinks a minister or pastor to carry out a new 'wedding' then that man and his new 'wife' are adulterers. Jesus says it in Mark's Gospel and this echoes what is in Malachi. John Piper says that this adulterous relationship is blessed by God if the couple sit down and confess and repent. Really? Are you sure? (a) Which other sin works like that where you can continue in the same behaviour only it is miraculously a sin no more? (b) What would repentance look like here? I thought repentance meant a change of direction and not staying in the sin. This teaching is un-Biblical and quite disgraceful. David
First of all you said, "Jesus says it in Mark's Gospel and this echoes what is in Malachi." What Jesus said in Mark's Gospel is it was a sin to divorce someone with the intent of marrying someone else. That is an act of adultery. However it says nothing about it being an "adulterous marriage," once the marriage takes place. Secondly, in Malachi, God is addressing priests who are divorcing the wife "of their youth," in order to marry again, often to a pagan wife. You say, "(a) Which other sin works like that where you can continue in the same behaviour only it is miraculously a sin no more? (b) What would repentance look like here? I thought repentance meant a change of direction and not staying in the sin. This teaching is un-Biblical and quite disgraceful." Let's look at your point (a) first. In answer to your question, none. However, if someone makes a commitment to stop breaking their vows and stop divorcing, it does show a change. Your point (b) goes with the previous answer. repentance does mean "a change of direction and not staying in the sin." By refusing to break covenant again, there is a change of direction. And you don't stay "in a sin," when you're not in one.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Mar 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. 1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Mar 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Mar 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. Mar 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. Mar 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. Luk 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. Heb 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. The only things that end a marriage are death and the only caveat I have seen is fornication, where a man or woman marries in good faith then finds out that their spouse had relations before they were married. as relations before marriage is fornication. it kinda goes back to the law when a man went to the elders and said my wife is not a maid, Deu 22:13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, Deu 22:14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Deu 22:15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: Deu 22:16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; Deu 22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. Deu 22:18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; Deu 22:19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. Deu 22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Deu 22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. there is your fornication clause, but thankfully we are no longer under that, but we are under some of the same things from a New Testament perspective, like when there is adultery or even fornication we don't stone people anymore. God has given us His word, and in that word, He has set forth those things that He calls sin, and Just because we have Jesus and forgiveness, does not mean we can do as we very well please, there is a cross to be taken up and bourn, a life of self-denial, of esteeming others better than yourself. there are those who love God enough to want to be brought under the things of His word, while others hunt and peck the word of God for any possible loophole they can try to find, why because they do not love God, they love themselves they are all about themselves, basically, all they want is fire insurance, just enough salvation so that they think they are going to heaven, but not enough to be bound by the word. those people will be horrified when they die, they will miss Heaven and have no chance to change, Ecc 11:3 If the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth: and if the tree fall toward the south, or toward the north, in the place where the tree falleth, there it shall be. when you leave this world, it is a very rare thing for a person to die and come back, we are talking clinically dead for minutes and coming back, that does not happen often when you leave, whichever direction your tree fell that is where it stays. if you die saved amen happy and blessed you are, if you die lost, you will have eternity to ask yourself why didn't I listen why didn't I change, why didn't I believe the right way. if you have a living spouse and you are remarried to someone else unless you got divorced on grounds of fornication, then you are in adultery and will be judged by God, that is what the word says matter of factly if you believe differently just wait till ya die, and you will find out for sure, and if you were wrong, well then you are now eternally wrong with no recourse to make it right. I am going to believe the word of God over any pastor/preacher/teacher if they teach contrary to sound biblical doctrine I am gonna run the opposite direction away from them not wanting any part of their error.
There are several free bible programs out there, my favorite is E-sword, it even blows the paid bible software away, I paid 198.00 some years back for quick verse. E-sword made quick verse obsolete before I bought quick verse had I known about E-sword. I have well over 100 English bibles for e-sword, most free some I bought, E-sword has study notes and a built-in Step reader. the stuff that is available for free for e-sword is mind-boggling there is so much free content available. the acts of the apostles, the early church fathers, maps, John Bunyan, Johnathan Edwards, I am only running 16 Bibles in E-sword but have run right at 100 a while back. two of the features are a search function, you can search in any bible you have installed, all words, any words, exact phrase, or regular expression. all words, in the search it will look for all of the words you typed, I.E, "let him that" it will search the bible you selected for all three of those words to be found in any verse, returning a list of verses that have all three words. any words will search for any of your words, returning all verses that have any of the words you searched for. exact phrase, "it is written" it will return a list of verses that have only that exact phrase. regular expression, this is handy for searching for only a part of a word "know" this will return know, knoweth, knows, knowing, every form of the word know. the search function is very handy, as I love to do word searches, "adultery" fornication" "cross" the other function I love to use is the compare tab, it is with all of the bibles each bible having its own tab. I will look up my verse in the KJV, say Phil 2:6 click on that verse in the KJV then click the compare tab and it will show me all of the bibles I have which have that verse. I can then see for myself how each translation has that verse, very handy for defending the KJV. because you are comparing apples to apples and posting such a comparison shows the corruption in the modern perversions.
What about the first vow that you’ve made? To the first husband or wife? I hear pastor John say that you should stay in a second marriage so not to break the vow that you’ve made to the second spouse. But what about the first husband or wife. Isn’t it better to guide listeners to repent and go back to the first “love”? The examples and bible references given by pastor John here are so out of context. I’m truly shocked. And to compare the relationship between Israel and the Lord is so flawed in this way and instance because it stated so so often in the Bible that God asks Israel to turn and repent from adultery. God is and always will be truth en loyal to His chosen. This says nothing about Israel and their lack of loyalty though. I’m so saddened by this explanation by pastor John. I can imagine an instance where remarriage is an option. If a person is a young widow or widower. Maybe with kids. It is till death do us part isn’t it? Or if the divorce was with a non believer and they were not converted yet... it is a difficult topic.
Repenting is not going back to your "first love.' In fact, this very practice was condemned in Deut. 24. God said it was an abomination to go back to a former spouse. Are you suggesting that one do something that God considered an abomination in times past? And to continue the practicing of breaking another vow and family, how is this bringing more glory to God? God does provide healing, restoration and forgiveness to those who have sinned.
Ok my 1st marriage i got married at 15 years old. I was forced into it. I did not know God and neither did he. He abused me for 12 horrible years and ripped me aoart. I left him and met a man who lives God who loves me and we have grown in our faith anf plan to marry as soon as the divirce is done. We now understand the sanctity of marriage and we comprehend how much God lives and values us and i know God was not ok with what i went through. We dont make alot of money so weve had a hard time paying for the divorce but its coming and we wilk be right by God. This is a very complicated matter and theres no doubt in my mind that God hates divorce. He also loves marriage and it is sacres i did not know God when i got married but i know him now. I know hes not ok with where im at right now but im beleiving he will bless me marrying the man i truly beleive i was created for.
There is no justification in any way shape or form for you to marry another man while you worked up in its house yet lives. You shall be an adulteress and he an adulterer he being the man that you choose to marry outside of the will of God.
Yes, with lust and pride and selfishness and worry and doubt and lying and the list goes on, but those who remarry they say are hell bound. It’s interesting.
I was married for 20 years had to leave my husband due to DV and cheating. We are now divorced, his married again. I am single and choose to be single it's almost 9 years now. I choose to serve God and take care my children and grandchildren. ❤
Amen, there’s a reward for you in heaven. There’s no justification for sin. We’ll all gonna account before God one day especially those that teach…
and what a blessing to walk in obedience & faith!! ❤
I really do believe that you are following the scriptures. If I understand right.
I feel sorry to you and your familly.
Wish you luck.
me too. single and celibate for 20 years now as i'm divorced.
Devastating to find out after divorce you can't remarry. This needs to be taught way more clearly to people especially those who marry young
Yeah, but sometimes you'll find that being single is for the best. Especially if you grew up in a certain household.
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You can under certain circumstances without committing adultery. I encourage you to spend some time reading the Bible to understand.
I am what some have called "the innocent party" (but some others call me the guilty party), because in 2011 my Christian wife of 17 years cheated on me. Prior to marrying me (we dated for two years before marriage) she told me that she was a virgin (she was), and had never even kissed a man, or dated, until she met me. I believed her. It was a first marriage for both of us. We had no premarital sex for two years prior to the marriage, but kissed only. We were both Christians, involved in the church. Later, we had four beautiful children together. On Cinco de Mayo of 2011, she cheated with another man in a motel room, and afterward she felt guilty and confessed it to me a month or so later, after abandoning me with four children at home and moving 330 miles to Los Angeles, first. She called me, and wanted to come back home, from the other guy's bedroom. Thinking about Matthew 19:9 at the time, I told her "no." After she lived with him for two years, in 2013 I filed for divorce, again thinking about Matthew 19:9 and Matthew chapter five verse 32. Since then, she has lived with five different men in sin. I have never dated anyone since she left me. I am not perfect, but I have morals and children to raise (but I have had opportunities to remarry, obviously). Now people are telling me that Matthew 19:9 does not mean what it says, and I sinned by divorcing her ten years ago, and I cannot date or remarry. What is that all about?
Where do you get the idea that one can't remarry after divorce? That's just not taught in the Bible. This doesn't take away from the fact that divorce is a sin, in certain instances, and should be avoided if possible.
I want so much to understand how the Bible would encourage those considering legitimizing their adultery by marrying to believe that later repentance will consecrate that marriage. My wayward husband is likely contemplating marrying his mistress, a friend of mine, and I just can't bring myself to swallow that the Lord will consecrate that marriage but not permit me to find a new partner after they do get married. I hear you that Paul suggests we are better off single, but we are also taught "it is not good for man to be alone". Right now I'm not interested at all in dating. But if my husband chooses to marry his mistress.. how is it that his sin puts me in shackles the rest of my life? I'm not saying I was a perfect wife, but I am the one working hard to take my thoughts captive and to stay ready for reconciliation until he marries her. How is it his new marriage will be anointed and that will be impossible for me despite my so wanting to align with God's will? What constitutes sin for me is held in the hands of these two?
Your husband is in adultery if he has a mistress. If he marries her, it is continual sin. If then a man marries you, it will also be adultery. If you remain alone, it is ok.
@@lucindam.gabriel754Lucinda, if my husband repents after he is married to his mistress, don't you believe God will forgive and Jesus' blood will cleanse them and make them holy? Piper specifically says that in this UA-cam message and he offers scriptural support. I'm just questioning that, once that happens, how is it that _I_, the betrayed wife, must now go my whole life single and not be open to a new marriage? Right now I can't even imagine it, mainly because I am so very strongly looking to serve the Lord in continuing to hope that my husband will wake up and repent BEFORE marrying his mistress and want to serve God by reconciling to me and our son so we can work toward the marriage the Lord wants for us. But what Piper is saying is that if my husband doesn't repent and marries his mistress, and 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙣 they repent and Jesus cleanses them, their marriage can be consecrated while I am relegated to steering clear of any future marriage. That just seems harsh that the betrayed will go through life without a consecrated partner but the unfaithful spouse can marry and repent and end his days in the arms of his "new beloved".
Maybe I'm just being like Israel saying "give us a king" when they had the Lord himself as their leader... Maybe I am to recognize I am the lucky one with the Lord himself as my partner in life. Just wish God would manifest a body and give me a physical hug now and then. 🤣 >sigh
@@lucindam.gabriel754 I agree it is continual sin. If it were not, everyone could leave an unwanted marriage and simply remarry and repent. I believe the only way to produce fruit in keeping with repentance is to end the unlawful marriage. When ancient Israelites married unlawfully (in this case to pagan women) they put away/divorced those women.
Ezra 10:18-19 NKJV
And among the sons of the priests who had taken pagan wives the following were found of the sons of Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brothers: Maaseiah, Eliezer, Jarib, and Gedaliah. [19] And they gave their promise that they would put away their wives; and being guilty, they presented a ram of the flock as their trespass offering.
@@questor3119 the Word doesn’t say that… it says marriage is until death
“Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”
Matthew 7:14 NKJV
Pastor John I believe the original Marriage is the only one recognized by God, as long as both spouses are alive. You taught me that
@@robertomontanez1163 Please show where it is written that God only recognizes the original marriage. Be specific for you are claiming it is written, I want you to prove it actual is.
Please explain to me how king david took his best mans wife and had him killed and was "a man after Gods own heart"....pharisees do know the law but leave out the mercy, forgiveness and compassion....
@@nealdoster8556 start with Genesis 2:24-25, then go to 1 Corinthians 7:39
Mark 10:9
and Romans 7:1-3.
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 Grace to you
I’m familiar with all those verses and they don’t say “God only recognizes the original marriage” as you suggest. You are creating an argument from the false supposition of the first marriage surviving divorce (a self contradiction) which in turn creates a false narrative about Jesus’ teaching. Jesus explained to Israel what transpired by them ending their original marriage, you on the other hand are claiming the first marriage didn’t end supposedly in God’s eyes, see the difference?
Jesus explains “In the beginning” there was no divorce. Later (in time) divorce was conceded because of hard hearts (Mark 10:4,5) and remarriage allowed (Deut. 24:2). This is the historic explanation for the adultery to which Jesus describes, it was the inadvertent consequence of divorce and remarriage allowed.
Just as Moses revealed an ensuing defilement in remarriage following divorce (Deut. 24:4), Jesus reveals an ensuing adultery. You are not following the chronological facts if you don’t understand that this way of committing adultery immediately followed divorce and remarriage allowed, understand?
There are two predicates (base points) in Jesus’ dialogue with the Pharisees (Mark 10). Their question to Jesus was asked from the base point of the law of Moses (v.2). Jesus did not answer them from the law (the first predicate). He instead answered them from the base point of creation “the beginning” (the second predicate) (Genesis 2:24). It was from the second predicate Jesus revealed an ensuing transgression for Israel. To put it simple, if you believe God created marriage with an inherent obligation of exclusive intimacy, you will understand that exclusivity is transgressed by divorce and remarriage.
Jesus reminded the Pharisees that from the origin of creation marriage carries the obligation to “cleave” - the idea of staying together (v.7). In other words marriage has inherent obligations from the very beginning. After the Fall in Genesis 3 man becomes a sinner and his foolish heart is darkened (Romans 1:21). Domestic conflict is one of the many consequences of the Fall. In time divorce was conceded because of hard hearts which dealt with spousal hatred toward one another. The Apostle Paul similarly allows divorce for peace sake (1 Cor. 7:15). Divorce became a reality because of hard hearts which in turn separated what God had joined (Mark 10:9).
By ending their marriages prematurely, they were NOT observing God’s lifelong design for marriage. Because remarriage was allowed (Deut.24:2), this way of committing adultery ensued.
Again it was not a transgression of the law of Moses, it was an transgression of God’s creative design for marriage. God’s design for marriage carries an obligation of faithfulness to each the other for life. Divorcing one spouse and marring another violates that principle, that standard, which in turn causes the adultery against the former spouse as described by Jesus (Mark 10:11,12). Jesus’ conclusions were in agreement with and derived from the Pentateuch (the writings of Moses) which includes Genesis 2:24.
@@nealdoster8556 that's a nice elaborate placing of suppositions but it doesn't change God's point of marriage is for life and only death breaks the marital Covenant. Keep believing what you will. We'll all face the Truth in the end and no fancy word soliloquy or convenient rearrangement of scripture will impress The Mighty Lord or His instructions and design. May The Spirit lead you to Truth.
He lost me.....Malachi 2:14 everyone! You can not sin, repent and continue to live in that sin! If a man kill someone for whatever reason.... ask God to forgive him....is it okay for him to kill again? NO!!! Paul makes it clear in his writing when God spoke vs what he suggested! But his suggestions clearly didn't contradict Gods covenant about marriage!
Name any other sin where I can “repent honestly before God”, and continue in the same circumstance.
If the clear scriptures will not convince you that it is always adultery to divorce and marry another then nothing I say will matter.
That is just one of eight interpretations of the meaning of the fornication exception and by far the most popular. A through study of scripture and history will reveal that remarriage was not accepted for 1500 years.
Adultrey is not the exception. fornication is
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then why did jesus even bother teaching that remarriage is adultrey. cause once the 2nd marriage takes place the adultrey will cancel out the first marraige.
which is circular reasoning argument and there is no remarriage today that is in adultrey.
check to see what church history taught on this
Thanks for this study. We must return to understanding marriage as a "death do you part" relationship bound. We cannot be pro divorce and use exemption clauses which are a total misinterpretation of scripture. We must stand for the truth of Jesus Christ no matter what the cost. If your in adultery, stop and correct the sin. Do not let sin reign in your mortal bodies
Most are not being "pro divorce." They are merely trying to understand God's Word as a whole on the subject. When you mention, "death do you part," it's actually, "till death do depart." That vow is derived from the Sarum rite of medieval England, which was originally translated in the earliest versions of the Book of Common Prayer. It was later changed to "till death do us part," by Thomas Cranmer, Archbishop of Canterbury.
God's ideal is one man, one woman, for life. Sadly, this is not always the case. And it's not about "exemption clauses."
I don't know...maybe we're saying the same things, just using different ways to say it.
@@martin9410 Indeed, anything less is sin. And sin always bring about pain. Unspeakable pain when it ruins families in the adulterated tradition. You would agree?
@@SaanichtonMinistries What is the "adulterated tradition." Never heard that phrase before.
Find this weird Dave?
@@martin9410 except means one reason....
This episode is a great demonstration of the importance of reading for meaning and not just reading for explicit instruction. Just because something "isn't in the Bible" doesn't mean it isn't covered by the Bible.
What meaning are you agreeing with and why?
@@trappedcat3615 I wouldn't say I agree with any particular meaning. My comment is highlighting the importance of being able to extrapolate information.
I had no choice but leave the father of my daughter. He was very abusive. He also suffered from depression and I was literally his punching bag. I tried for 6 years to help him and be there, but I also dont want him killing me or kids
God would not want you to stay in such a relationship that puts you and your daughter in danger. Don't listen to the critics who have a weak understanding of Scripture. God loves you and approves of your decision to leave. You have a responsibility to not only yourself but the children which God has placed under your care.
@@robertomontanez1163 You have to look at all the passages on this issue in the Scripture and not cherry-pick. It's also in that same chapter where it says if you've been released or divorced from a wife not to marry, but if you do "marry, you have not sinned." The idea behind your passage is to give it some time and prayer. Also another key is in the phrase that you quoted, "let her remain unmarried." Paul considers her unmarried at this point, but the first choice is to give it some time, because once you marry someone else, it's too late for reconciliation.
I divorced the fathers of my kids two years ago. I was catholic so since I was a kid they teach me that the civil ceremony means nothing. I will only be married if I get married at the church and the priest has to do the ceremony. That was what I believe until two years ago. When I met a wonderful Christian guy. My ex when to jail and we were separated because he was on drugs so I decided to be happy. I started to date this guy and he told me that he could not be with me because I was married to my ex still. so I filled for divorce and I started a relationship with him. I always thought that my ex cheated on my because I find out that he was going to his ex girlfriend house. I don’t know why I don’t know what he was doing there. So I told my boyfriend that my ex cheated on my because for me that was cheating. The four years that we were together he always leave me and go to his mom house to used drugs he always manipulate me saying that he will kill him self. It was a night mare being with him just think if one day he will be death or he will hurt me. He faked that he was sleeping and started to punch me and kick me. ( but I never really knew if he cheats on me; he never admit it) I know that I was the one that decided to marry him I choose to have kids with him but he never wanted to change I was always helping him to recover from his addictions. I was happy because I thought that I had the right to get married again. Now that I read the Bible I know I was wrong and we have a daughter together he wants to married me but I am scared to send him to hell. I don’t want to go to hell neither. I had had a lot of stress for months were I cannot sleep or eat right. Some people say it’s ok and I star to feel better but then I see videos about how all that are remarried are going to hell and I started to have those thought again.
Pilla Rodriguez don’t listen to all the trolls on UA-cam. There is an excellent book on the subject by Rubel Shelly
(www.amazon.com/Divorce-Remarriage-Redemptive-Rubel-Shelly-ebook/dp/B007FU7BH8/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1U87DR06UGDG8&keywords=rubel+shelly+books&qid=1572280080&sprefix=rubel+sh%2Caps%2C182&sr=8-2).
He studies the subject from the Old Testament to the New Testament. You’ll be blessed. He's never been divorced and been with his one wife all of his life, so he's not trying to justify his own marital status.
Your ex broke covenant with you in so many different ways. Don’t hurt your child by breaking another union. Read the above book rather than listen to everyone's opinion. I realize of course that mine is one of those opinions. I used to take an extreme view on this issue but then after studying all the passages from both the Old and New Testament on the subject, my thoughts were changed. You'll notice that a lot of the comments you'll get will just be extracting two verses from here, one verse from there, etc. The bible needs to be understood as a whole on the subject. When Jesus was in the flesh on the earth, He was still living under the Old Testament and is speaking to Jewish citizens, He explained the intent behind the Law. The Law allowed for divorce for different reasons. In fact, the Jewish priests were not allowed to marry a "widow," or a "divorced woman," but the non-priest was allowed to. God's intent as always been one man, one woman, for life. But because of sin, God intercedes with grace, love and forgiveness. One thing you'll notice about the legalists who respond to you is that usually there is very little love shown. That's because legalism stuffs out compassion and love. It's just the nature of the beast.
With the woman at the well in John 4, Jesus had tremendous love and compassion for her, even though she had been married five times (the Lord recognized these as husbands and marriages), and she was now living with a guy outside of marriage. With this sixth man, Jesus says, "the one whom you now have is not your husband." This doesn't mean that Jesus approved the past five marriages but He recognized them as marriages.
One more book that I might also suggest, but it's much more in-depth and scholarly than the first so it might be difficult to tackle is: Divorce & Re-Marriage, Recovering The Biblical View, by William F. Luck, Sr.
Oftentimes Jesus was attacking those Pharisees and religious leaders who were divorcing their wives for any reason, but the primarily reason was that these Jewish leaders knew that adultery was a sin, so they thought if they just divorced their wives in order to marry whom they wanted, they could avoid that sin. Jesus tells them that even if they divorce their wives in order to marry someone else, that still constitutes adultery.
Please notice what's missing from the Biblical text. There is not one mention of a marriage that is called an "adulterous marriage," that term doesn't exist in the Bible. Also there is no biblical account where new believers to the faith or older believers were told to leave the current wife. It's just not there. If it did happen, it would have been a hotbed topic that would have made it into our New Testaments. It was certainly mentioned in the Old Testament when Ezra commanded over a 100 Jewish men to divorce their wives. God bless.
@@pillarodriguez2235 you shouldn't be with a abusive person. Abuse is a sin . And when you allow someone to abuse you you are allowing them to sin.
Again, there is only one unforgivable sin in the bible . And it is "blasphemy against the holy spirit" .
Don't listen to people who say you will go to hell if you remarry.
I am not saying,you should remarry or something. I don't know your situation.
If your ex husband marries someone else ,he broke the oath himself. There is no longer any oath or connection between you.
You are free to remarry. However,you should always seek God's wisdom and discernment instead of always relying on human's advice. Ask God yourself. Rely on God.
Is your ex husband married to someone else?
1.Well what is repentance. U cannot repent and keep doing the wrong thing u repented off.
Ok, you remarried and repented, but are not continuing to get divorced and remarried, so where is the "keep doing" part? Is breaking two covenants better than breaking one?
We're born in sin and die in sin. Also, we have fallen short of the glory of God
@@mikehart1798 that's the problem with your unrenewed mind sir, there is but one Covenant.
@@mcnielentertainment you have well said, if you remain in that particular state you will suffer the second death.
@@Face_Reality God is not the minister of sin, and to whom you yield yourself servant of, it is your master.
The moment the Christian church decides that divorce is no longer an option, we will actually begin to look differently than the world. Divorce can be "justified" within 5 minutes of marriage, but God HATES divorce. God makes TWO covenants in His Word: between Him and us after the flood, and marriage. I'm amazed by how worldly the church has become. If we actually dig into the scripture, Jesus was not talking about marriage, but modern day engagement when referring to leaving a spouse due to adultery.
Either God hates divorce and it is never permissible (separation IS WISE sometimes, safety can be had without divorce) or He's happy with the rate of divorce in His church. 😱 I'm not a perfect wife, and I will be held accountable for that. As will we all be held accountable for our character in our "marriages," "divorces," and to our covenant spouses. I would much rather be very conservative and be wrong than believe divorce/"remarriage" is permissible as most Christians believe, and be wrong.
Satan has infected the church deeply with his lies about marriage and divorce. I'm sure the Lord weeps at our mockery of the beautiful covenant He created (NOT US).
Actually it's not that God hates divorce. Relook at that passage in the last book in the Old Testament. What God hated was the putting away of a wife of one's youth to marry a young pagan wife. In the Old Testament, God through Ezra the prophet commanded that the Jewish men divorce their pagan wives. So divorce was certainly permissible in some cases. I agree with you that Satan has infected the church, but I believe it's more with the message that some legalists are teaching on the subject. If you study the Law of Moses even, divorce was sanctified by the Lord.
That text about God hating divorce has been such an abused passage over the years. In the context, He's addressing Jewish priests who have left the "wife of their youth," to be married to younger women and in some instances, pagan wives. In the Hebrew language it doesn't say that God hates divorce, He hates the "putting away." He despised the practice of those Jewish priests. God even commanded that men divorce their pagan wives through the prophet Ezra. He would never command something that He hated. Just wanted to get the Biblical passage right. So many teachers and pastors fail to consider the context and the ancient languages in their study of this passage.
This doesn't mean that God is please with divorce. He would much prefer that a couple stay together and serve Him. But I'm a stickler for getting the Scripture right.
I believe Satan is going to Christian church. He is in our everyday life. There is a lot of hypocrite Pastor and Christian. Pointing fingers to others but doing the same Sin themselves.
@@martin9410 we have a new covenant with Jesus and He only gave one reason for divorce and stepped up the standard on the other laws as well, i.e. hating your brother is murder and looking at a woman with lust is adultery!
@@lizajean8333 Abuse of this kind was certainly one reason for divorce under the Law of Moses. Don't listen to the naysayers who have just a thimble of knowledge of this subject and just quote to you well-worn verses taken out of context without considering the whole counsel of God on the subject.
Piper is very wrong about remarriage.
Lost me completely.
no, he is actually 100% right. being forgiven, is being FORGIVEN. no need to take it in any other direction.
@@orion7741 being....forgiven.....changes an adulterous relationship, into a covenant relationship......after having nullified the first covenant.....that is quite the action.....
At the age of 20, I decided to marry an elderly woman. At that time, I got married for the wrong reasons. I only married out of loneliness at that time. We didn't have any vows at all. Loneliness and adulterous thoughts were why i married her.
I'm 24 now, she's currently 56. 2 months of marriage and after praying to God to save me from my abusive and psychotic wife, He saved me by having her arrested and condemned to mental psychiatric hospital. This happened all in 2016.
I made a horrible circumstantial decision and choice, now I'm divorcing her. Been separated since May 26, 2016 at 1:03pm.
Right now, I'm planning my future wedding with my 35 year old fiance and soon to be bride.
God answered my prayer and I listened to Him as He brought me out of the darkness I was in. I prayed for a way out and He guided me. She was so abusive and suicidal and I feared for my life and the life of my pets and my dad.
My soon to be bride has never been married. I now thank God for bringing me out of that mistake in my life.
I don't see this situation as adultery as I was in the right circumstances per the eyes of God. Only He can righteously judge me for this.
Amen brother. I wish you and your future bride well.
@@tammynewton-malone4288 thank you
If the first wife was a divorced woman then once you were divorced from her you were still never married according to God's word, so marrying your new wife would be considered your actual marriage in God's view because both you and her would be each other's first spouses. Since the previous wife may have been married before which for that time made you in the act of adultery, but since that marriage is no more, you were free to find your own bride who had never been married, making you completely repented of the sin of adultery.
if she had been married and divorced....you were not in a marriage.....if she had been widowed, you were married and any remarriage would be adultery...
you are making plans to enter into an adulterous relationship....as the motives, and conseqences of a bad marriage are not Biblical grounds for divorce and remarriage.....
Also David wrongfully married Bathsheba... Divorce is always wrong, though bible doesn't tell us David divorced any of his many wives, he did commit adultery with bathsheba and there will always be consequences for sin as he did lose his child with her, but there is forgiveness when there is genuine repentance and the legitimacy of his marriage with bathsheba is seen after in that God blessed them with Solomon.
2 samuel 12:24
"Then David comforted his wife, Bathsheba, and went in to her and lay with her, and she bore a son, and he called his name Solomon. And the Lord loved him"
Of course sin is never okay and we should be careful to not turn the grace of God into lasciviousness. But it does happen as Christians we sin and mess up horribly like even David a man after Gods own heart did, and there is restoration and a second marriage can be legitimized by God
Old Testament.....
@@philipbuckley759 The Old Testament is our tutor that teaches right from wrong. You're missing the point of what they were saying. There is restoration and forgiveness for all sinners. Not only that, when Jesus gave the Sermon on the Mount, He was still living under the Law of Moses and said that He hadn't come to abolish it but to fulfill it. He wasn't all of a sudden changing the Law of Moses. And certainly, the Old Testament allows us to see God's responses and attitude toward sin, restoration and forgiveness.
@@martin9410
Spot on brother
Roberto Montañez Jesus was still under the Old Law addressing those under the Law of Moses. Regarding David, by your approach, better to murder the one in your way, so that you can have who you desire.
@@robertomontanez1163 I see that you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole. I had to chuckle at some of your comments. You said, "try to go ahead and kill your now wife's husband..." You obviously haven't lived in California. lol. Also you mentioned my "now wife's husband." I don't know what to make of those words. If she is my wife, she is not someone else's wife. This makes no sense. You make the remark that basically David was given a free pass because he was so special to the Lord, and yet in Acts 10, Peter says that God plays no favorites when it comes to salvation. God is "no respecter of persons." You say, "Don't think you and I are at the same level as David." Please don't diminish and demean our Lord's sacrifice on the cross for all those who will believe. God paid a horrific price to forgive us, please don't cheapen it! And then you go back, apparently, to your favorite statement of all time: "DIVORCE=UNFORGIVENESS." It almost makes me think you were really burned by a wife who left you, to be so stuck on this record. Again, ALL sin is forgivable. The writer of Hebrews is extremely clear that Jesus paid for all of our sin, past, present and future. If sin were not forgivable, you wouldn't even be saved. So let's get off this kick that some sin isn't forgivable. Please don't slam Jesus' sacrifice and tremendous love.
Married 20 years. Conservative Christians, 9 children. Missionaries. Husband began to believe multiple wives were biblically acceptable. He felt he had capacity to love more than one woman and wanted me to accept it. I divorced him. Raised 9 kids and still single after 12 years very little help from him. $540 in child support total for all 9 and he feels the victim because I divorced him. Hes been through 4 other women. I never dreamed our marriage would end, nor did everyone who knew us. Devastated many and all still shake heads as to how he changed so drastically.
Lust of the eyes, flesh and the pride of life. More importantly lacking Love (Love the neighbor as thyself). This is such a hood example for Why the keeping of the Commandments is so important. When we lose sight of all that, we stray!!! Bless you sister 🙏
that is a great mystery......
You are a strong christian woman who is leaving an example of dignity to your children. May the Lord sustain you and help you overcome this great injustice.
On the grounds of adultery you can remarry sister another person if you will
God will bless you for being faithful! Praying for you sister!
Abandonment. No longer bound to the spouse who left. God has called us to live in peace.
But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.
1 Corinthians 7:15
Abandonment confused me because the verse seems to allow the abandoned spouse to remarry.
My Greek priest read this passage with me, after I was divorced and he said if you can be single and happy then stay that way. If not get married you are not bound ie it's not your fault if you do.
@@andreasgeorgiou1901 personally, I would trust the Words of Christ WAY MORE than a priest. This is a salvation issue😭
try using the correct terms.....not under bondage, or not enslaved is not akin to ....not being bound.....these words will put you straight into an adulterous remarriage....
the foundation to a false teaching, wrong use of terms....the term is under bondage or enslaved, not....bound.....
Honor God and His commandment
Inquirybased247 @ yahoocom
Repentance is turning from your sin
Dave Williams so after the realization you’ve sinned you should commit another sin by divorcing again?
@@DreaPark You can't truly repent & stay in the situation. God hates divorce but there's no commandment that says "do not divorce" but there is a commandment that says "do not commit adultery".
Everyone trying to figure out God's view on this... Dont be too arogan to think you are right in your view... Dont judge those who lives in 2nd marriage... Keep your own marriage until death do you part... Dont take any risk...
Pastor John wont allow you to remarry, he made clear view on this.. no divorce too... But he is answering those who lives in 2nd marriage already...
@@lakilakisorong8204 what do you do with sin, in your life.....
@@philipbuckley759 ask for forgiveness... Do what He wants...
I know where you are going with this... You are trying to say repentance means stop sinning (in this case is adultery), but the bible never say to divorce 2nd wife and back to the first... John Piper also state the same and i agree with his view on 2nd marriage...
Definitely, these messages are not from the word of God. Do not be deceived!
No John Piper! The words of Jesus are clear. No sactification of what He says is adultery. Matthew 19:9, Mark 10:10-11, Luke 16:14-18, Romans 7:2-3, 1 Corinthians 7:10.
Remarriage is and adulterous act that we can all agree on, but if the couple realizes that fact after their marriage and repents and asks for forgiveness, then they are forgiven by Gods grace and should not ever again divorce and remarry. Then the new marriage is sanctified, and the cycle of sin is stopped by not divorcing.
@@mikehart1798 the divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32, and Matthew 19:9. However, the wife in Matthew 5:31-32 is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews that Jesus was speaking to were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39.
Unlike the synoptic gospels of Mark and Luke, which were written to evangelize the Gentiles, Matthew was written to the Jews, and has of 24 characteristics that identify it as intended for the house of Israel.
The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death.
The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. But when Jesus died on the cross, he caused the Jews to be dead to the law of Moses so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the law of Moses over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the whole law is no longer possible for those in Israel and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15.
Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife.
Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned by the unbeliever, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way some translations word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not enslaved" which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, which is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 shows the Apostle Paul giving permission to remarry do not understand the command, that Christ gives is to an abandoned husband, in 1 Corinthians 7:11, is that he "must not divorce" his wife, and his wife is commanded to "remain unmarried or else be reconciled" to her husband. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh in marriage puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, by implying that Paul has issued an opposing command.
Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16.
The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly in regard to virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a virgin who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command, to a single man, who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the single man who decides it is better not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which again means single men, in the congregation, who have betrothed a wife, do well if they marry, and those who choose not to marry their virgin brides do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unscriptural unions.
The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24.
Mark 10:1-12 and Matthew 19:1-12 both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel, because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans and Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command.
@@mikehart1798 how is this so.....and why not apply to a same sex marriage.....repentence does not change a sin, into a non sin....
But he said he 'could be' wrong 🙄😩I cannot base my salvation on a Pastor saying I 'could be wrong'..Saints etc...consulting God in these last days are pivotal!!!
Mrs Mimi Well I guess it's a good thing we can't earn our salvation.
@@dustinakabob07 😒
Sis Mimi Once divorced we are not allowed to remarry again that is considered adulterous acts! Mathew 19:9 so every time u lay with ur second or third or so on wife u are committing adultery!!!
@@dustinakabob07 the question is....can we lose our salvation...
That’s what scared me too
So if you steal money but you confess and repent do you still get to keep the money. No you have to make things right. The second marriage is not even acknowledged by God so you won’t be breaking any Vow.
Every oath is acknowledged by God.
If a man vows a vow to the Lord, or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word. He shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth.
Numbers 30:2
"A" broke one oath when he divorced his wife "E" . He married his second wife "G". Is it morally right to break his second oath?
U don't take an oath when you steal money. However you take an oath when you marry someone.
@@b.8846if I make an oath to perform an abortion every week for the rest of my life, should I honor that vow or break it?
When you enter a marriage in adultery, you make a vow to commit adultery for as long as you live. Do you really think god wants you to continue in it?
With all due respect Dr Piper, you spiked this football, I think it is fair to say you must see it through to completion. Stay strong to the end. We are with you and a huge growing number totally agree. Do not capitulate now and try sugar coat it. Nothing is easy about defending the gospel. It should be NO Surprise all remarried/adulterated families are in sin! We are all sinners by nature and by choice! This is just a somewhat disturbing perpetual sin which reaches deep to the nature of a man or woman to reap turmoil on their own family by the carnal act of remarriage adultery. It is what it is. I matters not what spin we put on it, or how reasonable of an excuse we can come up with to try and justify it. God is perfect, we are sinners. Remarriage while the other spouse is still alive, IS NOT marriage. It is adultery, even as one thinks and terms it as marriage. It is some frustrated, man made perverted partnership/relationship arrangement at best. It is no more marriage that 2 sodomites showcasing their government stamped certificate in the PC tradition.
I agree, however why did Jesus say that a man who divorces his wife for anything other than adultery is guilty of causing her to commit adultery? He didn't say the "divorcee" was guilty but the "divorcer". He also said that Moses allowed for divorce because of hardness of their hearts. Also, Paul permits an abandoned spouse to remarry. Perhaps we can all agree that in a perfect world, there would be no need for this discussion. But God knows we are not in a perfect world and remarriage at times is permissible by God because we are called to live in peace.
@@gmac8586 Can you please help me? 5 years ago my unbelieving abusive ex husband left me divorce me and married someone else. I want to get remarried again but I was told I have to wait until he dies first. I do not want to go to HELL🔥🔥🔥. Am I allowed to get remarried because he abandoned me? I thought the scriptures said that I had to remain single until he dies. Please comment. Thanks Gina🙏🙏🙏
@Gina Gregg; I'm not sure how I can help you, but I can give you my opinion. I'm not sure why you were told you have to wait till he dies? Your union is over. He has married another. He broke the marriage covenant. He wanted to leave and you are called to live in peace and let him go. (1 Cor 7:15) You are not under bondage. You then are free to remarry, but as long as it's to another believer. Pray about it and read 1 Cor 7 and Mark 10. Don't forget though, that being single allows freedoms that married people don't have. Spend time alone with God and let Him fill you, heal you and love you. He will direct your path. God bless.
@@gmac8586 Thank you for replying. Yes I know that He left and broke the Union and I'm not called to bondage but to live in peace..... But I've had people say that.... The bondage part means that I don't have to live with him in a marriage Union...... That I'm free to leave and be on my own. So many people have said The Bible doesn't mention anything about remarriage at all. It just States That if adultery or fornication has been committed that you are free to get divorced. It doesn't say anything about remarriage. I want to get remarried so much. I'm just so afraid of going to HELL 🔥😟
If you can shed any more light on this subject I would really appreciate it. Maybe I'm way off base. Thank you Gina
@@gmac8586 Oh wow ! I just read your reply to someone else and you said that it's not the Divorcee that causes the wife to commit adultery If she marries another it's the divorcer. I think I may have answered my own question. So does that mean that if a person gets a divorce for any other reason then..... The one exception of adultery or fornication.....then if they marry another after the divorce.....they are committing adultery ?? So that kind of tells me that remarriage is OK in only one circumstance if your spouse cheated on you. Correct?
Wow!! Talk out of both sides of your mouth much. If remarriage after divorce is adultery, then there is only one way to truly repent.
To divorce someone in order to marry someone else is adultery. The way to repent is to stop divorcing regardless of what marriage you're in.
@@martin9410 if you are in a non covenant marriage....what is your suggestion.....
@@philipbuckley759 A marriage is a covenant marriage regardless of how it was formed. So not sure what you're wanting to know.
Divorce the 2nd spouse and repent or die in sin
@@martin9410 once again....what does one say to the same sex couple....God hates divorce.....or maybe you cant unscramble eggs....
Rob a bank, repent and go out and spend the money and say you'll never do it again it was a mistake. Uhhh no
Whattt....Since when do you rob a bank, then make a vow to spend the money. Furthermore if you repent of robbing the bank, that means you give the money back. Now if you spent the money, before you repented, you'll still have to make restitution. Even more than that, it's a poor comparison, robbing a bank, and divorcing. What if you had poor knowledge of divorce and remarriage as a Christian, then you remarried, a Christian woman, then you realize, by new teaching, you had sinned.....don't tell me you divorce this new wife.
THIS IS MY VIEW, IT IS A VERY PERSONAL MATTER, between the Christian divorcee, and God....I'm sure there is an infinite number of circumstances, yes the Spiritual man is to judge all things.....but not the heart of another, as we know not our own heart.
Pied Piper
when finding loopholes by jumping through scripture theology you will end with in the enemy loop around your neck
There are no loopholes on this one
Nice!
Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Mar 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Mar 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Luk 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Rom 7:1 KNOW ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Jesus says only fornication is grounds for divorce and remarriage, but the fornicator may not remarry.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
notice that fornication and adultery are listed separately because they are not the same, fornication is sexual relations before marriage while adultery is sexual relations with someone other than your wife or husband.
Heb 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Jesus told us exactly what constitutes Adultery as well as Paul, and that Adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God both in 1 Cor 6:9 and Gal 5:19 but that God will judge adulterers as in Heb 13:4
those who are flesh minded and want what the flesh wants can run and try to find loopholes because they refuse to be under What God says about this issue.
those who hunt for loopholes have no love for God, they are just in this way for the Fire insurance!!!
when you love God you also love His Word even when it says hard things. and because you love God, you do not run to this preacher and that pastor trying to find loopholes that supposedly allow you to stay in an adulterous marriage.
those who love God already know that this way is very much about self-denial, taking up our cross and following Jesus.
@@dennishagans6339 very good word, you was on point, I heard so many pastor justify divorce and remarry, it's a shame and God is going to judge them.
@@bornagaincurtis
It is sad that man wanting to please himself and or others will change Gods word to suit what they desire, which is a big no-no.
@@dennishagans6339
God Bless you!!! You took so much time to clarify through Scripture...I perfectly agree with you...I don't know how much time the speaker used to prepare this response but this shows his belief is a doctrine of the devil, which is misleading others who Do want to justify their sinful desires...or who simply depend so much on pastors or teachers for understanding of the Bible. God bless you and thanks for your loving investment of time!!!
Pastor you are confusing your listeners! The question is " is remarriage after divorce (unless the death of a partner) is correct?
and he says yes, unless....which is the worst possible response....
@@philipbuckley759lol. We need to be circumspect about who we marry
it funny Jesus clearly says its a sin to remarry then the church try to find a way around it ever since
Totally agrees with you!
Pastor John Hagee is on his SECOND marriage ~ he divorced his first wife in 1975. NOTE:--- "Christians don't steal or lie, they don't get divorced or have abortions."
That is a DIRECT QUOTE from Pastor John Hagee in "The Fish Gate" sermon, September 2nd, 2007. John Hagee married his first wife (Martha Downing) in 1960; he DIVORCED her in 1975, and married a member of his congregation (Diana Castro) a year later.
Here's the full info:
John Hagee married Martha Downing in 1960, and the couple had two children together. Hagee was the pastor at Trinity Church in San Antonio, but criticism from his divorce caused him to resign. Hagee has three children with Castro, named Matthew, Christina and Sandy. Hagee and his children with Castro are also musicians, who performed together as The Hagees.
On May 11, 1975, Hagee started a new church, called The Church at Castle Hills. Although it only had 25 members to start, it quickly grew in size, leading to two expansions. The first was a sanctuary with 1,600 seats, and the second was a sanctuary with 5,000 seats. Hagee named the second sanctuary Cornerstone Church. His son, Matthew, later took over as executive pastor of the church. John Hagee has written books, and numerous religious television stations broadcast his sermons. He has also founded religious organizations.
John Hagee wrote in a 1975 letter to his congregation that he was guilty of immorality, after which he divorced his wife, Martha Downing. The exact immorality is unknown. Some claim that Hagee had an extra-marital affair with Diana Castro, who had been a member of his former church congregation. He married Diana Castro, on April 12, 1976. The remarriage immediately following his divorce led to allegations that he had an affair during his marriage.
John Hagee was the founder and senior pastor of Trinity Church. The news of his impending divorce surprised his congregation. Martha gained the custody of their two children in the divorce. We never hear about his two children with his first wife, do we?
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Thank you so much for that comment that was what I was looking for 2 married is a sin and wrong period
@Elder Jacob Its clear no remarriage it all says the same thing the disciples got what Jesus teached that is why they said better not to get married and the church for 1600 all taught remarriage is adultery it was hard hearts that wanted divorce and its hard hearts that try to read it into the scriptures
@Elder Jacob No people just pick and choose. The Bible doesn't contradict itself when texts and taken in context. I used to believe in remarriage until I got more educated on the subject.
Sad so many don't truly repent of the sins. This needs to be the main focus of Christians.
Speaking the truth has shattered most marriages today
Genesis 2:18 KJV
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Genesis 2:24 KJV
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Ephesians 5:27
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 KJV
1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
Matthew 5:31-32 KJV
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Matthew 19:6-9 KJV
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Mark 10:2-12 KJV
2 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.
3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:39 KJV
39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
Luke 16:18 KJV
18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Romans 7:2-3 KJV
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Hebrews 13:4 KJV
4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
1 Corinthians 7:8-9 KJV
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
Bologne! He's wrong. To repent means to TURN away from sin and reconcile. You could be wrong you say?? You are 150 % wrong. Doesn't matter what you believe. Matters what the Word says. Says they are in an ADULTEROUS affair if they divorced and remarried. Don't listen to this guy people. "Christians" (say that loosely because they aren't) actually CHOOSE to divorce and then repent saying grace covers them. Hogwash!
I assume you mean baloney? Bologne is a place in France lol
Perhaps I can say the same thing about you. Perhaps people shouldn't listen to you either. If your spouse is spiritually dead you are allowed in God's eyes to remarry but only in the Lord hmmm. Perhaps this is just my opinion? Let's see what the scripture say. There is scriptures in here that you need to look up and read for yourself the author of this message I'm about to share does not quote every scripture. It is your responsibility to look them up and to learn then teach God's word. Copy paste..Not all marriages are put together by God (Joshua 23:12-13, Ezra Ch. 9:13-14, & 10:2-3, 10-13)...not to mention “David and Bathsheba or Samson and Delilah”
2. There are many unequally yoked marriages that God Hates even MORE than divorce (Exodus 34:14,16, Deut 7:3-4, Deut 13:6-10, 1 Kings 11:1-4)
3. Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today, and forever (Heb 13:8)
4. This means that God STILL commands us to separate from the disobedient and wicked...Ps 1:1, 26:5, Psa 101:4, 7-8, 119:113, 115, 118, Pro 13:20, 19:19, 22:10, 22:24-25, 23:9, Mat 7:6, 10:34-38, 18:17, Mark 3:25, 8:22, 10:14, 12:30, Rom 1:32, Rom 16:17, 1 Cor 5:11-12, 1 Cor 15:33, 2 Cor 6:14-17, Eph 5:3-7, 5:11-14, 2 Tim 3:1-5, Tit 3:10-11, Heb 1:8-9, 1 Tim 5:22, 2 John 1:11, Rev 18:4)
5. NONE of the above commands are abolished by the temporary institution called “marriage”
6. Jesus’ teaching on divorce was specifically to a Jewish audience (Just as each of His messages to the 7 churches in Revelation 2-3 were specific to each church in accordance to THEIR unique issues and sins, so too was His teaching in the Gospels on divorce specific to Jews who were in a divorce crisis, divorcing for any foolish reason, because their hearts were hard. (Matthew 19:8)
7. Even still, Jesus did not fail to give this concession to those Jews who were quick to divorce, saying, “Except for Adultery” regarding remarriage in Matthew 19:9
8. Jesus intentionally chose a woman who was divorced and remarried FIVE times to evangelize an entire town. Never once did he say to her, “God Hates divorce or you can never marry again, or you are going to hell because you remarried FIVE TIMES!” (John 4:1-25)
9. The same word used in 1 Corinthians 7:39 to describe the widow who is no longer “bound”, and thus free to remarry is the exact same word used in the phrase “no longer bound” in 1 Corinthians 7:15, to describe the new condition of the believing spouse who has been left by a believing spouse.
10. The greater principle in the NEW Covenant than “physical death” which can separate a marriage, is “spiritual death”. Many people are indeed in marriages, living with spiritually dead people who have once and for all rejected Christ and that death is slowly spreading to the “living spouse”, which is EXACTLY why God placed all the commands listed above to SEPARATE from the disobedient...He is trying to preserve a Holy uncontaminated remnant. This cannot be done when a person is living with a “dead body” yoking their light to the darkness. Passages showing Spiritual death in Scripture: (Mat 8:22, 23:27, John 5:24, 6:63, 12:40, Rom 7:10, 8:2, 8:6, Eph 2:1, 2:5, Col 2:13, Jam 1:15, 2:26, 1 Timothy 5:6, Rev 3:1)
11. Anyone who has doubts about divorce or remarriage should NOT move forward in either, until you have heard clearly from the Lord and can move forward by faith. Anything not done in faith (with doubt) is sin. Romans 14:23
12. Only God, by His Holy Spirit can give Revelation on the deep things and matters of His heart on subjects like this. God reveals them to Babes but hides them from the clever, the proud, the legalistic and the “wise and learned”. Matthew 11:25-26
Luke 7:33-35 NIV
[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' [34] The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' [[Michael Chriswell came and remarried after his first wife had an affair and then years later divorced him for serving God rather than money, and you say, 'Here is a lawbreaker and adulterer.']]
[35] But wisdom is proved right by all her children."
In this part of the book we look into the principle of spiritual death in the new covenant and the role it plays in some divorce and remarriage situations. Also, we talk about remarriage and finding God's specific will for your life. May the Lord bless you as you listen!
@@flyhigh6591 after the certificate of divorce is given another marriage still becomes adultery.
@@flyhigh6591 this source seems interesting - can you cite it?
@@flyhigh6591 you write a lot, but it seems to be wrong.....marriage is until physical death.....end of story....
I don't believe in divorce Unfortunately, my husband has moved on with someone else and asked for a divorce. This is horrible.
well yeah...and as such it is why that there are so many comments on this subjects...
He has broken covenant with you. Of course you're free to marry again in the future biblically, but not if it violates your conscience.
@@martin9410 Yeah, it's a painful process to be rejected, cheated on, the lies, the deception and betrayal. It's gut wrenching. I eagerly search the scriptures for answers. It's as if God is silent in all of this. I believed that God purposed for us to be married and minister to others. I stood on the Word and lost everything.
@@blackbutterfly6914 I was cheated upon too, I understand your pain. The Good News is that the Bible does give us answers! I like how Paul puts it in 1 Cor. 7, "Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be released. Are you released from a wife? Do not seek a wife. But if you marry, you have not sinned..." You can apply this counsel to the wife as well. And even when we stand "on the Word," we can;t direct the moral compass of another person. They have their own free will and that is something we just can't control. However God is pleased with your devotion to Him
@@martin9410 have you read Mt 5......there is no innocent party.....
Thanks for leaving the comments section open and not being afraid of free speech. Dr John MacArthur does not allow comments on his UA-cam channel.
you can be a....Doctor, and still be wrong....
Bc JM is dead wrong on this issue. Beware!! This is a Salvation Issue 🔥🔥
1 Corinthians 7:10-11
Romans 7:1-3
Luke 16:18
Mark 10:2-12
1 Corinthians 7:39
1Corintians 6:9-10
Galatians 5:19-21
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 it is not a salvation issue to remarry and you should be very careful in teaching other brothers and sisters in the faith that they’re salvation is at risk if they remarry. What a grave error.
@@abby_stewart I suggest you read the scriptures I posted before making erroneous attacks. Scripture is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that Adulterers WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of God (hence-Salvation)
In addition to the passages I posted above read Ephesians 5:5 and Revelation 21:8 for confirmation. True Believers are to WARN others in love which is Exactly what I've done.
He's a MAGA Trump supporter..
Marriage ends only at death.
Where Piper sees the leaving of a second 'spouse' (to return to the legitimate one) as 'breaking a vow', many see the same situation as actually KEEPING the original / legitimate vow. No amount of 'repentance', apart from leaving the remarriage, is going to sanctify it.
charis74Him exactly. How can we truly repent if we don't truly turn from the sin? That's where I differ from John. If it's a sinful marriage, then leaving it to return to the covenant spouse will essentially bring God more glory than remaining in a wrong marriage!
charis74Him
amen.
@@cassielindeberg5702 How long have you been married to your husband? Is he your first?
The Bible says that you can’t return to the first marriage if you married the second time.
@@harriettwells2344 where does it say that?
Wow this is message is wrong...
You are saying repent from adultery but keep doing adultery.....this is am abomination to God. The couple needs to separate....the only covenant is with the first spouse.....the second pact in the second marriage os not valid before God because it is adultery. Please pastor teach the truth do not lies..because you are leading people to hell.
I AGREE! This is indeed a wrong message
So what if they have a monstrous first marriage and God sends them a new Godly spouse and they divorce and everything is beautiful and they've repented?
@@sarahlynnbaxter2225 God is NOT a man that He should lie. If God did that, He would be contradicting His own Word.
@@TERI-B but God forgives all sins.
@@sarahlynnbaxter2225 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Matthew 12:31-32.
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!! Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Corinthians 6:9-10
I find the comments I've read here commendable for taking the commandments of Christ seriously, and you're right that our Churches today often don't, particularly in this area. However I think a few points are worth considering.
Jesus Commandment in Matthew 19 clearly states that in case of "sexual immorality" (also translated as "fornication") the party that has been victim of this infidelity has the right to divorce and remarry. As for the party that is guilty of "sexual immorality", a strict interpretation could suggest that this person however has not the right to remarry.
In 1. Corinthians 7, Paul states that anyone married to an unbeliever should stay married if the other side agrees. _"But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not _*_bound_*_ in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace."_ (1 Cor 7:15)
Compare this to verse 39: _"A woman is _*_bound_*_ to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord."_ (1 Cor 7:39)
The use of the word "bound" in both cases could be interpreted thusly that also the divorce from an unbeliever, under the conditions given by Paul, allows for re-marriage.
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Now, my last point is more of a question. Jesus says in Matthew 19: _"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."_
My question would be this: If adultery is a reason for divorce and justification for remarriage, i.e. if the partner that is victim of adultery is no longer bound to this husband or wife, then why doesn't this also apply to an unjustified divorce and remarriage when this also constitutes adultery according to this verse. To put it differently: If adultery in a marriage allows the damaged party to divorce and remarry, i.e. the damaged party is no longer "bound" to their husband or wife, why is it different if the act of adultery is one of unjustified divorce and remarriage?
You are hurting the legalists feelings. Don't exegete and have scripture interpret scripture. It contradicts their reasoning and feelings on the matter. They add to the law of God... They make the same mistake they would accuse others of... Adding to the text and leaning on their own understanding. Their legalistic mindset does not allow them to see these truths in scripture.
Great job by the way. I agree. I just get carried away with sarcasm at times.
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Well first off it is "except for fornication", not sexual immorality. Get the verse right first. Now ask yourself what is the difference between fornication and adultery.
So in Mat:19 what it says to simpletons who don't understand Hebrew marriage is this, "And I say to you, whoever cancels the one year marriage contract due to the bride having sex before the marriage ceremony may take another woman as his bride". Taking a divorced person as a spouse is adultery.
In todays terms it would be cancelling the engagement due to the bride sleeping around, but once the marriage is consumated you must forgive.
I hope that clears up your misunderstanding.
@dominic schofield Oh you think I'm angry because you don't like the truth, and you insult me because I have given you the LORD's word. The Bible tells us all about your kind, I would reckon my salvation with fear and trembling if I were you.
Here's some more verses to consider: Gal. 3:15 Brothers, let me put this in human terms. Even a human covenant, once it is ratified, cannot be canceled or amended. 17What I mean is this: The law ... does not revoke the covenant previously established by God, so as to nullify the promise. (So any other "covenants/vows" are illegitimate while the "husband is still alive" it says in Rom 7:1-4. 1 Cor. 5:1 - Didn't Paul expect the man to abandon the relationship with his father's wife? Mark 6:18 For John had been telling Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother’s wife!” (didn't John the Baptist expect them to abandon the relationship vs. stay in it?).
This seems to contradict, your prior view to remain single after becoming a divorcee. So frustratingly confusing to find peace and concrete biblical truth on divorce and remarriage!
My ex wife cheats, divorces me, and remarries another, and I'M stuck being single 🤷♂️🤦♂️? That was nearly 10 years ago and I'm still wrestling in this. Maybe, do a podcast on the torture that your hardliner view, puts on sincere wounded truth-seeking lonely sexually frustrated divorcee Christians. Yeah, Idk here Mr. Piper. No, disrespect.
Sincerely, idk. #seekingpeace #seekingtruth
no...it is the torture that the Scripture puts on you....tell it to God, or Jesus, when you see him on judgement day.....did not Paul speak on this...the suffering, that we encounter is not worthy to be mentioned, compared to the rewards that we will receive....and you can take that up with him, as well....
Your wife broke covenant and is now married to another. You are no longer bound to her. If you decide to stay single that's up to you, nothing wrong with that. However biblically you don't have to.
Dan J Dan I believe you have biblical grounds to remarry in this case because of abandonment/ sexual immorality that was unrepentant.
SHE broke the vow. You are no longer married to her in God's sight. See 1Cor 7:15-.
hello Dan J please don't let it lead to mind sex cause then u sinning.....Just guard ur thoughts and heart from temptation...just advicing from love....YESHUA THE MESSIAH Bless you
John the baptist lost his head because the told a couple it was wrong to stay in their marriage.
That is true, but it's more than that. John told Herod that he had "his brother's wife." Under the Law of Moses which Herod said he was still observing, it was a sin to have a brother's wife while he is still living. The Law of Moses called this "incest." Just wanted to clarify.
@@martin9410 you are right. They purposely divorced their spouses to marry each other.
@@ronpolson6981 That is true, but I was addressing the incest aspect to their situation. But thanks for that clarification.
The point is interesting doesn't disagree with Piper. According to John Piper's message, they should confess it as sin, genuinely repent and stay in the marriage. Herodias did not repent; she held a grudge against John the Baptist and schemed his death.
We are talking about Christians here, not unbelievers.
Guys, just follow Paul's advice and don't get married.
you are taking pauls words out of context though....
@@orion7741 I think this commenter was being sarcastic. Paul’s advice to not get married wasn’t a command, but a concession and it says that plainly in scripture and most people are aware of that.
I love pastor John, he never claims to know it all or gets it all right although he is so sound in doctrine and wisdom
YOU ARE IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE. YOU BETTER GET IT RIGHT AND KNOW I RIGHT. BECAUSE HE'S WRONG. HEBREWS13:4 GOD WILL JUDGE THEM BOTH AND HIM AND YOU FOR NOT REBUKING IT.
@@kingdomofholiness678 amen....
As a teacher of God, he is to be blameless and righteous.
Wow..it is so disheartening to hear these words from John Piper regarding staying in a second marriage and justifying it by using other scripture that clearly has nothing at all to do with marriage and adultery. You can’t repent of something and REMAIN IN IT knowing full well it is wrong in GOD’S EYES! And just because Jesus said to the woman at the well that she had 5 “husbands” doesn’t mean he approved of it and doesn’t mean it was a marriage recognized by God this simply cannot be used to justify one or several or multiple remarriages. This is so sad
It's painful to hear him speak on this matter. I respect John Piper, but I feel he missed the mark on this one.
Virginia Rush agree 💯 percent
amen....
Mr. John Piper, you have vascillated in your position on marriage through the years, and you have lost my respect. Are you afraid of telling the truth, as you may lose congregants, and therefore tithe money? Prayerfully you can study and know exactly how you stand.
I really don't think Dr. John Piper has had any issues with his congregants (Which he is no longer pastor of at the time of your post)--but even if he did, it proves why Humanity has not been left the duty to forgive sins--your stance proves we humans are inept to do so, Praise God, He forgives when humanity will not. Those who walk away have their own troubles, and it's best for the health of the Church that they do.
If Jesus taught that a man with an adulterous eye should pluck it out or an adulterous hand should cut it off...HOW MUCH MORE should he put away the woman he is committing adultery with in a false second marriage!!
@@womanatwellworshiptheFather Yeah makes total sense to destroy another marriage
Destroy a what? God does not call adultery marriage, He calls it adultery
@@womanatwellworshiptheFather Sure would make sense if everyone else in the world lived a perfect life and could judge others but no one can except God so we should leave other people's marriages to them and God
Jon has been very helpful with his discussion on a host of biblical topics. Like him I leave room to be incorrect and for the Spirit to show me differently.
I disagree with Jon because of the definition of repentance 2 Corinthians 7:10-11. As well as what Jesus says about sin Mark 9.
In response to the topic I would like to offer up Ezra 10:10 thru the end for discussion
You are wrong, Virgin-
Pastor piper is right in this- 17 Only, as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this way let him walk. And so I direct in all the churches.”
Should you, once you understand it was adultery, then break the promises you made to your new spouse? Of course not.
@@michaelmakinney20 Well, I left room to be incorrect, so did Jon Piper humbly. You may want to do the same since your explanation has not convinced me ( and many others in this section) from what I see clearly in the scriptures. We will have to agree to disagree. All the best.
@@virdinbarzey3805 Well, brother, I accept your gentle correction. I would simply point out that the Law that regulates divorce in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 assumes remarriage after divorce- please see for yourself:
24 “When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens [a]that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house, 2 and she leaves his house and goes and becomes another man’s wife, 3 and if the latter husband [b]turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife, 4 then her former husband who sent her away is not allowed to take her again to be his wife, since she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance.”
Now, I understand that in Christ we’re not under the Law, but the assumption of remarriage should be noted. Moreover, if I may, Ezra is speaking of marriage to women committed to foreign gods, which, as we know, is what turned Solomon’s heart away from serving God w all his heart. Israelite men committed to God are never commended for divorcing Israelite women equally committed.
And it’s interesting, too, that the very Scripture that says that through the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus we’ve been freed from the condemnation inherent in the Law goes on to say that this freedom allows us to walk in the Law.
See for yourself:
8 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life [a]in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, [b]weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of [c]sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us,”
The idea, then, that After divorce AND remarriage to a believer, one should divorce again to, somehow, please God, is nowhere supported in Scripture, is it? 🤔
Yes paul stay in the situation in wich you were called if married stay married...
I am catholic as was my ex-wife. In May 1993 we married in a beautiful Catholic wedding. I thought it was the start of a long and happy life together with the love of my life. I was looking forward to starting a family and being a father to a son or daughter. But 42 days after we married, my wife abandoned the marriage because of my refusal to allow her grandmother who had raised her to move in permanently with us. I did not want that because her grandmother was very controlling and we frequently clashed over how I was doing things she didnt agree with, plus she wanted to take control of our finances. My ex-wife told me that unless I changed my mind, allowed her to move in, and allow her to take her "rightful place" as head of our household, she would not live with me. I tried fir almost a year to save the marriage but in the end, divorce was the only thing left for me to do. So how does my situation fit into The Lord's injunction to not put away your spouse? Am I now required to remain spouse-less for the rest of my life, or until my ex-wife dies? I would really appreciate an answer.
I don’t think you have to wait for your ex to die so that you can re marry. That sounds like it is from the Old Testament… and legalistic. We are living in the New Testament and God has grace for us, even when we may have done the wrong thing… also love does not force someone to do something so if your ex was saying either do this or we will Not be together than that is not love.
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@@user12383 believe it or not, I have had people, obviously strictly intertpreting it, saying that if I am 90 years old and living in a nursing home and want to marry my dear friend who lives tehre with me, and my ex-wife is still alive....sorry, no can do, you know that the Bible says. I have also been told that I didn't have a valid reason to divorce my wife (what more reason did I need???) and that I have a duty to try and be reconciled with her. Sorry but after 28 years, there is no chance of that ever happening.
@@nursesteve2004 I'm sorry to hear about your terrible situation but Marriage is still for life , yes one can leave but the only exception for remarriage is death, under the rules of new covenant. Remarriage for any other reason is adultery. No adulterer can enter heaven. Your soul is too precious and this life is passing away.
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s so basically you are telling me that although she abandoned the marriage, and has since remarried, I am obligated to remain single and celibate for the rest of my, or her, life? This does not sound right, and why would God want me to remain alone?
@@nursesteve2004 I'm not saying it. This is saying it 1Corinthians 7:11
Is divorce for other than the reasons that are allowed (5:31-32 ) a sin, the bible is very clear, yes, be it first, second, third, fourth, fifth, as with the women at the well (John 4:18). Note, no where does Jesus instruct the women to go back to here first husband, or second, in fact there is nothing said about the unmarried relationship because right relationship with Christ is first and foremost always the matter that has to be taken care of, that then will bring the Holy Spirits conviction of action. So for a person to divorce his current wife, be it first, second, ...would be a sin, and one can't repair a past sin with a current one. The act of divorce was a sin, but continuing in marriage, be it a second, or third is not continuing to sin. To have a child out of wedlock is a sin but one doesn't continue to sinning by being a father to that child.
Remember, follow Christ at all times. No o e ever said its going to be easy to be a believer. It get REAL hard sometimes. We will always fall down, but through Christ, we will allways get back up.
Not sure of how this relates to the topic, but nice point.
I'd rather follow the Words of Jesus (EXACTLY what came out of His mouth) and take my chances on That. Because at least I can say to the Father, I did what Your Son said to do, Not what man, said to do!!! Remember...that person giving you Bad advice will not be standing there with you at the judgement seat, Nor will they be able to stand IN for your eternal sentence! Something to ponder!
i was divorced twice in 2016, born again 2021, married my husband 1 month later and KNEW we were unequally yoked. but i did it thinking i was going to pull one over. my husband is a narcissist. we separated 8 months later after my conversion, 7 months after marriage. im still married, and will be until he dies or the LORD reconciles his heart to CHRIST and us together. I sinned my way right into it AFTER CONVERSION. I will live growing in Christ until otherwise.
Did you reunite with your covenant husband?
@@patrickhamilton7849 where does the promise of forgiveness of sin and your sin being cast as far from you as east is to west come in here? If the divorce happened years before conversion, are those sins not forgiven? Wouldn’t Fruit of repentance be to sin no more? Would it be that we need to go back and perform the “work” of trying to undo our own sins? The blood of Jesus covers the sins of our past and our sinful nature in the present.. and provides our righteousness, our responsibility is that once we are in Him we would go and sin no more.
I thank John Piper for his initial teaching and red flags on this issue. I have learned to love and appreciate Dr Piper. I heard John on his points here, and considered them carefully, but this position he is talking is away from goodness. Let me explain. When you dig for excuses to justify divorced and remarried people as being in sound, good moral plights because “they made a promise to commit adultery” it does not add up. It is adultery or it is not. Period. Hold the battle lines John! Do not waver. Remember God is perfect and holy. With the above teaching, you just opened up the flood doors for divorce and remarriage once again! Some people thinking of switching up partners may have paused at your initial teaching, then proceeded to divorce and remarry when they got to your position here. “Oh yes John tickle my ears more, I just commit adultery once, can get grace, and be totally acceptable and not adulterated.” I will keep my promise to be in adultery?
An adulterous remarriage could be nullified as sin, in order to seek to obey, and please the Lord is my take. I mean think of the scandalous drive though weddings, adulterers can get in a Las Vagus chapel in less than 5 minutes or the like. Would Piper say, a man should maintain that marriage instead of going back to his faithful wife and 5 kids who are waiting and praying he comes home? God forbid! From a biblical point of view, remarriage is not “Marriage” at all even as we term it as such. It is 100% sinful, vain adultery. It is not certifiable and is totally illegitimate as Jesus confirmed.
So a couple can take liberty to go ahead and get “remarried,“ but they hit a brick wall and dead end in the process. The brick-wall called adultery. The Lord Jesus is warning his followers to not get into remarriage situations or they will indeed be committing adultery. No Christian in their right mind would want a marriage that has the title of adultery on it. So Jesus is basically saying do not do it. It is mainly to PREVENT people from entertaining this sick pathway in the first place. Notice He is talking it future tense seemingly as well? The countless sinners who live in this plight would be best to not hold their heads high and say “ I am Ok with this and without sin.” They are best to assume they are sinners, stuck with an adulterated relationship and can teach others not to follow their example.
They should have humility as they seek grace and mercy. This is a much safer position. Those in bondage to adultery could include adulterated marriages who have produced babies and other serious obligations. Understand sexual sin; When your go so far with sin, there is a “point of no return.” A virgin cannot get her virginity back once she makes a sinful choice to give in to a male who is advancing. So Sin, like cancer, can get to a point where surgical interventions, or treatments are not practical. And there are no clear answers! So with remarriage adultery. Some cases we have no clear answers, but to see it as sin.
It has invaded the whole body and there is no longer hope. There is the prospect to get ready to face pain and death for these patients. It is too late. Intervention was not done soon enough. Can we see the parallel? Where is the hope for an adulterated family? For kids and children who are defiled by th adultery their proud parents chose? But as believers, nothing is impossible. We fear not and trust in the Lord.
I have a verse since Piper has difficulty grasping at some....”God will judge the whore-monger and the adulterer.” That verse is found in the NT, age of grace, not the OT. I have studied this issue for about a year and have lost friends in the process of taking this no divorce remarriage position. But I am perfectly OK with that. I will always choose the Gospel over any union or religious sect. My own marriage has thrived over taking this no divorce and remarriage position as we now see ourselves as inseparable, in mutually agreed bounds l, but by death. Our marriage thrives with laughter and the kids are happy too! Those in remarriage adultery are not necessarily going to the fires of hell, God grace is amazing. But they are in adultery. We must make that clear, because that is what the Bible says.
amen...
Your example does not show a covenant marriage which is only broken by death. Only God can end the marriage. and if they stay in that marriage what about the spouse that is waiting on reconciliation. And read In Hossa and Malachi. He says leave the foreigner. Please pray about this more and read this scriptures' and explain them. Your position means if a man or women wants to get a new wife or husband they can and once they get in that relationship all they have to do is repent and honor the new marriage and it's okay. I think not by the leading of the Holy Spirit and scriptures. So... if two men enter unto a marriage wrongly but once they are married they can now just repent and honor their marriage and it is okay? Their marriage was not ordained by God. When two people of the same sex marry and make a promise before God it does not constitute a marriage, a second marriage is not ordain by God.
Divorce is a sin. Remarried is a sin.
And to repent from a sinful remarriage is to divorce, which is a sin, correct?
DSEN that's what I want to know...but if the 2 ND marriage wasn't valid then is it really a sin to divorce?🤷🏽♀️I'm confused as well.
You might be "married" for the second time to another, but you are still bound to the first as long as he or she lives. Therefore you shall be called an adulterer as long as your first spouse is alive (Romans 7:2&3).
You cannot sin against sin. So leaving the second marriage which was a sinful marriage, would mean you are turning away (repent) from that sin. God only honors the first marriage as long as your spouse is alive.
DSEN : to clear this up......yes divorce is sin, and is and goes directly against the command of Jesus Christ himself...
1 Corinthians 7
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
A divorce is not sin when when you are in adultery or homosexual so called marriage. God doesn’t recognize them as marriages, God recognize them as sin and must be forsaken.......
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@@unitedt21 The Bible nowhere says that one is bound to the first "as long as he or she lives. Certainly Romans 7 doesn't apply. First, Paul is only addressing one aspect of marriage in comparing it to the Law. He's not teaching about marriage, he's teaching about the Law. Secondly, there is a different Greek word used in verse 3, it is not being "married" to a second man, but being "joined." Paul purposely uses a different Greek word. In other words we have an affair being described here. Thirdly, in the days of Jesus, only the Jewish man was allowed to divorce his wife freely. The wife was not free to divorce.
In addition, to suggest such an interpretation clearly contradicts what both Jesus and Paul taught in other passages. Also the Law of Moses explicitly identifies a number of situations under which divorce might and should occur. Paul knew the Torah and the Prophets and was aware of these. The Bible is extremely clear that a dissolution of marriage has the same effect that death has to end the relationship between the persons involved.
God let David keep Bathsheba. He committed murder and adultery. He repents and still stays married to her.
So, by this logic, homosexual marriages should also stay intact. I do not agree with this logic. If the homosexual must stop their sin, so must those who are remarried while their original husband/wife remains alive (as "remarriage" in such cases are adultery according to God's Word).
You can't compare apples to oranges. A relationship between a man and a woman (which is how we were created), is different than with a man lying with a man or a woman with a woman. According to the Bible a homosexual relationship is wrong whether or not it has the stamp of marriage on it or not.
I fully agree with you Julene. Been the point I've made for 5 years already. If divorce and remarriage is okay, what's wrong with gays? How is it any different whatsoever.
@@martin9410 adultery is wrong as well, according to the Bible.
Justin K agreed
@@martin9410 neither is a remarriage, when a covenant is in effect...
I believe Gods word is solid on marriage and divorce. True repentance is turning away from the sin, how can I repent and stay in that new marriage?
This is why Im not in a hurry to get married I love being single less work and accountability for me.
I don't think you are right in this area. The reason is sin is sin and the deterrent to not get divorced is if remarried you are in a lifestyle of sin because God does not accept the marriage ever . Repentance is turning from the sin. Asking God to call sin not a sin is false teaching. You don't have scripture backing your claim. The reason is the trespass and hurt it can cause the kids or the ex that was divorced for any causes other than abandonment or sexual relationship outside of the marriage. To go on hurting others daily is sin and creates a lifestyle of sin. False teaching. As a teacher you are held accountable for this. Don't teach on feelings or others sensitive to sin. Call it out be true to his word and not scriptures that don't pertain to marriage.
What about Ezra 10? In that story God required the Israelites to divorce their Heathen spouses. God had previouisly forbidden the Isrelites to marry them. But they went ahead and married them in disobedience, and against the will of God. So did God say? "oh well, you disobeyed.... i guess just keep the vows you have made"? No He didn't. God required a divorce. Even tho people had already been married and many had already had children. God did not considered those marriages as valid and required a divorce. .. So why would God not expect a divorce from a relationship He views as adultery? Same thing applies to Homosexual marriages. Would God not require a divorce then? The example of the Samaritan woman is semantics. She was probably having an affair with a married man. (premarital sex or boy-friend / girlfriend did not exist in that culture). That is why Jesus said "the one you are with is not your husband"... He didn't mean, the previous 5 were valid husband. He obviously didn't want to make things unnecessarily complicated by starting a theological discussion with the Samaritan woman. Especially when the main "sin" she had to deal with, at that present moment, was that she was having an affair with a married man.
Interesting examples that require a host of assumptions. First, there is no evidence that God didn't consider their marriages valid in Ezra's day. When a man and a woman are bound in marriage, they are married! The two become one flesh. It wasn't physical adultery that was the problem in these marriages, but rather a spiritual adultery. The example that you cited is actually proof that I use that there are times that God did command a divorce from a marriage that didn't involve physical adultery. Also your assumption that the woman at the well was having an affair with a married man has no proof in Scripture to support it. And certainly Jesus did show a difference between an actual marriage and one in which two people are just living together. Jesus certainly did state that she had had five previous husbands. To say that, "...she was having an affair with a married man," is a dangerous statement. It's never wise to add something to God's Word that isn't said. However, I understand where you're coming from. You have to approach these passages the way you did to counter the other arguments used regarding these two passages. However, neither text supports your assumptions.
If you can repent on a 2-marriage...Why not a 3,4,5....That position just weakens Gods institution on marriage all together...It means that a mans covenant is not honored...The Gibeonites covenant is not based on Marriage and breaking an original covenant. It’s a spiritual trickery he is doing here. Romans 7:1-3
We need to look at the whole picture. Can one repent and be forgiven multiple times, sure. As Peter asked Jesus, "How many times must I forgive my brother, seven times?" Jesus said, "seventy times seven." Jesus wasn't making allowance for more sin, but that grace knows no bounds. When one truly repents in whatever marriage they are in, they make a stand that they will never commit the sin of divorce again and to remain faithful...to change the way they've been living and live right. It's like in Romans 6, "Should we keep on sining so that God's grace may increase? May it never be!" Paul wasn't correcting their theology and understanding of grace, but urged them to follow the Spirit. Romans 7 doesn't apply because Paul is just speaking to one aspect of the marriage as an illustration regarding the Law and the newness of the Spirit. And even if it were to apply, there is a different Greek word used in verse 3 as compared to verse 2. In verse 2 the normal Greek word for "married," is used. In verse 3, Paul employees a different Greek word rather than "married," which means to "join oneself," Paul's point is that when you're married to one man and living with another man, that is adultery, and you're still obligated to the marriage, which is true. Just because someone is having an affair with someone doesn't make them married to them. There is no "spiritual trickery," here, just the facts. God bless!
D. L. Starkey Your position doesn’t align with Kingdom principles, and side steps the topic completely.
Marriage and Divorce....
1. A marriage is a covenant and not a contract...A covenant can only be broken by death..Romans 7:1-3
2. Forgiveness is never a pathway for staying in a non-covenant marriage...Forgiveness is better expressed when the first covenant husband and wife exercise forgiveness and return to the covenant that was expressed before God and Congregation.
3. A marriage is a type and shadow of Christ and his bride. Christ never divorced his bride and married another. Ephesians 5:22-32
4. When a husband and wife make a vow. It’s recorded and sealed in Heaven. God hears that marriage vow and binds the two together until death departs..If one breaks a vow God is not pleased.. Ecclesiastes 5-6
6. Whoever divorces his wife is a fool, and shame and disgrace are his and will never be wiped away..Proverbs 6:32-33
7. Jesus said, Whoever divorces their spouse and marries another commits Adultery. Matthew 19:9 KJV.
The early Christian church never taught divorce and remarriage. It was only when Erasmus and Martin Luther presented Humanism as part of scripture, and the pure institution of marriage began to weaken.
8. God made clear his position on divorce in Malachi 2:16...”I hate Divorce” when one divorces his/her spouse, this is exactly the opposite of forgiveness....Separation may be warranted for a season, but never divorce.
9. No man on earth has the authority or power to grant a divorce....Mark 10:9 states that What God has joined together, let no man put asunder...No 2-3-4th marriage with the covenant spouse alive is blessed by God....
10. It’s stated we can’t unscramble eggs...Problem with that statement is, We are not eggs...We are people who have made right and wrong decisions...When you steal a car, you must return that which is stolen..When you marry someone else’s spouse, you have committed adultery and must leave the adulterous situation. The woman caught in the act, was told to Go and Sin no more...
11. There is no scripture that changes a remarriage into a legitimate marriage, forgiveness requires true repentance. That means you turn from the sinful situation. Why ask for forgiveness for something and remain in the same state? It shows that that the heart was never in the right place.
12. God made his position clear in Exodus 20-14...”Thou shall not commit Adultery”...He made a law...That law was to protect us from his judgement side, but also to spare us from hurt..When you commit adultery, you are creating collateral damage along the way:
a. Hurting your covenant spouse.
b. Dividing the home
c. Confusing the kids, and bringing harm on the next generation.
d. Causing the new spouse to enter adultery.
e. Removing one self farther from Gods law.
In order for you to return to God he is required to repair the collateral damage you cause...This repair will hurt, because the people-children-family members who were wrongfully brought into the situation may be harmed emotionally or even physically. So, to avoid creating further sin, he made his position clear...”THOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.”
God is also hurt by the situation, because he will never change his law to suit people or situations. In Psalms 89:34, he stated: My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone from my lips. You see God is bound by his own word, and he states that no adulterers will enter the Kingdom. So when your covenant spouse sins against you, forgiveness is required of you ....How many times? 70 * 7....
The Apostle Paul never veered or added to Gods Marriage Laws..Acts 24:14.
‘Abut this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing ALL things which are written in the law and in the prophets”....
So if you are a believer, don’t be persuaded that it’s okay to violate Kingdom principles and asking for forgiveness and not repenting will make you safe. Romans 12:2 encourages people not to conform to the world, but be TRANSFORMED by the RENEWING of your mind.
1 Corinthians 7:10-11
To the married I give this command ( Not I but the Lord). A wife must not separate from her husband, but if she does, she must remain UN-MARRIED OR BE RECONCILED. A husband MUST NOT DIVORCE HIS WIFE.
The scripture is clear, don’t compromise your salvation for so called pleasure here on earth or mere man approval...GOD IS THE FINAL JUDGE...
The two shall become ONE FLESH...You can never DIVIDE ONE..YOU CAN ONLY CUT IT IN HALF...So if you are remarried, you have a half that will only fit with the original covenant spouse.
D. L. Starkey after examining scripture as required , line upon line, and precept upon precept..This is definitely spiritual trickery...ROMANS 3:4 Let GOD be true and let every man be a liar.
@@walkertb01 Considering the whole counsel of God on a subject is not "spiritual trickery." You quote Romans 3:4. What is the context that that verse is taken from? Earlier in verse 3, Paul says, "...If some did not believe, will their unbelief cancel God's faithfulness?" Then, "absolutely not! God must be true, even if everyone is a liar, as it is written: that you may be justified in your words..." This is speaking in regard to salvation and in either rejecting or accepting Christ. This has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. This is the problem: people will just grab a verse here or there without understanding the context from where they plucked it from. But I do agree with you that it's vital that we need to study the Scripture "line upon line, and precept upon precept." Something that apparently, you fail to do. Sadly, some folks just don't have to ability to discern God's word.
this guy is a false teacher....how many is he leading to perdiction.....who knows....just dont let yourself be one of them...
I agree. Incredibly disappointing
How his telling you to stop after the mistake ?
You left one marriage ?
God forgives u, u go For it again repent stay in that relationship n respect that oath . How many times have u sinned repeatedly?
His telling u to stop 🛑 at 2nd. Remind there not continue !
I think the title in itself is wrong......Christians getting a divorce will never honour God!
Excatly
To repent means to turn from so wouldn’t you turn from the second marriage
No, you can't repent from sin by choosing to do that same sin again. That would mean you've sinned twice, and the second time you knew better.
Love this ministry, and maybe I'm wrong God will have to show me, but this is literally the first time I have strongly disagreed with Jon piper, how can I repent and stay in the same adulterous marriage, ??? Doesnt work that way for other sins?????? I am very confused and grieved by this message . He is wiggling, I believe around " breaking up homes" better to be broken than condemmed.
I agree with you totally. Piper is wrong. No othere sin gets this privilege or remaining in it yet simply saying futile words of repentance.
you almost have to laugh......this one goes so much against scripture......how does adultery become a legitimate marriage....
Easy if you ever heard of spiritual death.. you don't have to repent for a sin you never committed. Remarriage is very legal in God's eyes you just have to know the scriptures to understand his l aw..
Copy paste..Not all marriages are put together by God (Joshua 23:12-13, Ezra Ch. 9:13-14, & 10:2-3, 10-13)...not to mention “David and Bathsheba or Samson and Delilah”
2. There are many unequally yoked marriages that God Hates even MORE than divorce (Exodus 34:14,16, Deut 7:3-4, Deut 13:6-10, 1 Kings 11:1-4)
3. Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today, and forever (Heb 13:8)
4. This means that God STILL commands us to separate from the disobedient and wicked...Ps 1:1, 26:5, Psa 101:4, 7-8, 119:113, 115, 118, Pro 13:20, 19:19, 22:10, 22:24-25, 23:9, Mat 7:6, 10:34-38, 18:17, Mark 3:25, 8:22, 10:14, 12:30, Rom 1:32, Rom 16:17, 1 Cor 5:11-12, 1 Cor 15:33, 2 Cor 6:14-17, Eph 5:3-7, 5:11-14, 2 Tim 3:1-5, Tit 3:10-11, Heb 1:8-9, 1 Tim 5:22, 2 John 1:11, Rev 18:4)
5. NONE of the above commands are abolished by the temporary institution called “marriage”
6. Jesus’ teaching on divorce was specifically to a Jewish audience (Just as each of His messages to the 7 churches in Revelation 2-3 were specific to each church in accordance to THEIR unique issues and sins, so too was His teaching in the Gospels on divorce specific to Jews who were in a divorce crisis, divorcing for any foolish reason, because their hearts were hard. (Matthew 19:8)
7. Even still, Jesus did not fail to give this concession to those Jews who were quick to divorce, saying, “Except for Adultery” regarding remarriage in Matthew 19:9
8. Jesus intentionally chose a woman who was divorced and remarried FIVE times to evangelize an entire town. Never once did he say to her, “God Hates divorce or you can never marry again, or you are going to hell because you remarried FIVE TIMES!” (John 4:1-25)
9. The same word used in 1 Corinthians 7:39 to describe the widow who is no longer “bound”, and thus free to remarry is the exact same word used in the phrase “no longer bound” in 1 Corinthians 7:15, to describe the new condition of the believing spouse who has been left by a believing spouse.
10. The greater principle in the NEW Covenant than “physical death” which can separate a marriage, is “spiritual death”. Many people are indeed in marriages, living with spiritually dead people who have once and for all rejected Christ and that death is slowly spreading to the “living spouse”, which is EXACTLY why God placed all the commands listed above to SEPARATE from the disobedient...He is trying to preserve a Holy uncontaminated remnant. This cannot be done when a person is living with a “dead body” yoking their light to the darkness. Passages showing Spiritual death in Scripture: (Mat 8:22, 23:27, John 5:24, 6:63, 12:40, Rom 7:10, 8:2, 8:6, Eph 2:1, 2:5, Col 2:13, Jam 1:15, 2:26, 1 Timothy 5:6, Rev 3:1)
11. Anyone who has doubts about divorce or remarriage should NOT move forward in either, until you have heard clearly from the Lord and can move forward by faith. Anything not done in faith (with doubt) is sin. Romans 14:23
12. Only God, by His Holy Spirit can give Revelation on the deep things and matters of His heart on subjects like this. God reveals them to Babes but hides them from the clever, the proud, the legalistic and the “wise and learned”. Matthew 11:25-26
Luke 7:33-35 NIV
[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' [34] The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' [[Michael Chriswell came and remarried after his first wife had an affair and then years later divorced him for serving God rather than money, and you say, 'Here is a lawbreaker and adulterer.']]
[35] But wisdom is proved right by all her children."
In this part of the book we look into the principle of spiritual death in the new covenant and the role it plays in some divorce and remarriage situations. Also, we talk about remarriage and finding God's specific will for your life. May the Lord bless you as you listen!
@@flyhigh6591 You can tell you are remarried. Stop justifying! DON'T BE DECEIVED!!! GOD IS NOT MOCKED
I'm not sure how many times to get remarried unless it's a sin.
@@flyhigh6591 physical death....dead, and burried....
@@flyhigh6591 er no.......
Mr. Piper none of those verses you used explains why a person should stay in an adulterous marriage. When we look at God's mercy it involves confession and forsaking....Ps.28:13, I believe. So how can I confess something is saying and then remain in it without forsaken it thinking that I'm going to receive God's mercy. That makes no sense. That mean that I can continue in any sin just as long as I asked for forgiveness with tears and crying. Because of this this is why the church can't say anything to those that are in these same-sex marriages. Because we've compromise the truth come one man for one woman for life. How can someone steal my wife and then God forgives them for stealing my wife. That's definitely not loving your neighbor as you love yourself. That's being a thief, continuously. What about 1st Corinthians 7:10 it says that that woman that leaves her husband she's to remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband if she wants a man and then verse 11 concludes with and the husband should not divorce his wife which is a command. Normally the person will remarry. But it's saying don't divorce. I think he began to feel the pressure love his original stance on MDR.
Also Pastor John I think it would be good to add the passage about unbelieving husbands and wives. If they don’t want to stay then the believer is permitted to let them go as we are called to peace. And if we do get divorced Pal says it is better for the woman (don’t think he mentions the man) to remain unmarried or return to her previous husband. He says she’s happier if she doesn’t find another husband in his opinion. But if the widows (I guess this includes the divorcees) cannot stay sexually pure then they should remarry.
not under bondage is not akin to not being bound, which had just been written.....it is a different word and a different meaning....
God will lead you in your circumstances
@@maunder01 yeah, by following the teaching of the Scripture...
@@philipbuckley759 and through prayer and fasting. The LORD directs our paths.
God bless you for your stand Pastor John. Nothing brings out the Christian Pharisees like this topic. Long may love and mercy stand firm over condemnation and judgement for those who try their best to repent and live in renewed obedience despite past sins/errors. All sin is hateful and none more than a judgemental heart.
oh really....standing up for the Word of God....go ahead....I will look forward to seeing what happens to you, and your followers, on judgement day....
@@philipbuckley759 and yours too Philip
@@rutherglenroad8109 amen.....
you have an attack on the person, not the argument...
I have great respect for pastor piper but I disagree about this.
Are you pro divorce or pro marriage? There are only 2 sides!
I deeply disagree with that teaching
@@julietten7527 Believe whatever your want in your brainwashed mind. Divorce and remarriage remain adultery no matter what world pleasing pastors say so they do not get fired by their board of directors! I will teach and preach this with intensity for the rest of my life! Wise up woman!
I was married to a pastor. Divorce was sin. Remarriage was sin. I thought this marriage from him was okay. He's not cheating on me if he's married and we may not even remarry, but now she left. Jesus comes back so soon. I asked Him what I had to do. I read so much preachings on it. This one says this. That one says that. I said: God I don't know. Do I have to go back to my first ex, second ex or can I marry someone else? He said: Marry Me. Time is short. They were marrying and giving into marriage. I said if that's really what You want, I want to see Your Face and that night I saw Jesus and me on a sail ship. He was the Captain.
@@renskedj wow this is deep
Though circumstances may force a Christian to separate, the sacred marriage bond can only be broken by death (Romans 7:1-3; 1 Corinthians 7:39).
You cannot continue in adultery and attain salvation. "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish"
You also cannot continue in slander and achieve salvation. Gossip, anger, hate, false witnessing, sloth, jealousy all disqualifies you from God's Kingdom. But all these sins are accepted by the churches and rarely repented of!
@@Anthony-yy3kc that is another issue....important and need to be addressed.....so what is your point....
@@philipbuckley759 my point is that if unrepentant adultery keeps you from the Kingdom then any other unrepentant sin will too. But the focus seems to be on adultery and not the others!
You don't attain salvation. It is a free gift from God. Until you understand this, no further instruction can edify you.
@@Anthony-yy3kc What you are proclaiming is works based salvation which in fact heretical.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🌏✝️ Thank God I will always honor my marriage and family.
You can't repent for sin and continue in that sin, that's not true repentance. The marriage covenant stands and w/out the death of a spouse remarriage is not supported by God's word.
Everyone is still in sin. Irregardless of you trying aka repenting you will never cease to sin. You sin when you think, act, or do anything sinful. This world is sin Jesus is the cure. Also if Jesus does not have the power by his Grace through his blood sacrifice to cover our sins, past, present, future … we are absolutely screwed and 90% of ppl will burn in hell for simply thinking with lust in within themselves. Why not cut our hands off from sinning our legs from walking us to get to that sin and our eyes because we look with impurity. We are screwed if Jesus cannot complete what he said he clearly did in romans, Ephesians ect he states it everywhere !! Stop being theologians
@@tekkielite sinning, and....living in sin, are different things.....
@@philipbuckley759 a distinction manufactured by legalists. 1 John 1 teaches that God is continually cleansing us from our continual sin. The verbs are in the present tense. You sin every day. Call it "living" in sin, or don't. Either way you are continually sinning and only Christ can save you.
Continuing in sin would be continuing to divorce and remarry. This is the pattern that God wants one to break. To, yet again, break another covenant and marriage is continuing to do the same sin over and over again.
@@martin9410 nope. Twisting scripture is also a sin. That legalistic view is absent among reputable theologians, most notably Jesus, who acknowledgement that the woman at the well had been married five times.
People who add to what Jesus said in the Bible for the "exception", putting the innocent party under a yolk that they themselves have not even proven to be able to live up to, are themselves as "hardened" as the spouse who betrayed you. I am 57 and has been Christian since age 12, lived in different countries, and practiced social work over 30 yrs in the US. I have never seen any pastor or church leader who would put their own sister or son/daughter under such a yolk, when they firsthand saw this most important covenant in one's life being chattered, after reasonable/repeated efforts to amend failed. They firsthand witnessed the pain of their loved ones and had to assist in their day-to-day recovery. The "truth" of what Jesus taught about divorce and remarriage automatically revealed in ALL of them without need to debate, no matter what country, era or ethnicity they came from. They absolutely have no doubt and no mood to add or subtract from what God repeatedly taught clearly in both old and new Testaments about these cases of "exceptions".
huh......you lost me.....so what is your message, concerning this topic....
@@philipbuckley759 I mean the pastors in most churches say one thing but does exactly the opposite when it comes to their own children getting divorced. They immediately found their loves ones a good partner and immediately help them move on. However, if you are a totally unrelated church member, the pastor and church leaders would tell you the most conservative answer, would totally avoid the subject of dating and marriage in divorcees the best they can. They don't really care how much you are suffering the rest of your life in reality.
So everyone divorced needs to pray for the death of their previous spouse. Great! Got it. Lets say Hypothetically your spouse is dead because you killed him or her, well then are you free to remarry?
Sad but it does seem that way...actually, if you remarried, according to the strict law believers, the marriage isn’t valid anyway. So, ask forgiveness and mean it, live as devoted companions, and give up sex, and you will be you will be lawful.
Right ? That’s what I’m seeing over and over again on this topic. I divorced over 5 years ago. My ex husband is in a new relationship and that’s not a relationship I would re-enter anyway. But I’m supposed to remain single for the rest of my life because he’s still alive? How are we operating under grace but having this unusually strict rule? I understand how God sees marriage. But many women desire marriage, especially where children are concerned. Single motherhood is especially challenging. I don’t understand the strictness on this topic.
@@abby_stewart l'm on this journey too. What is your understanding now?
@@maunder01 I believe our Savior Jesus is a redeemer. Would you not attempt to have children ever again just because maybe you had an abortion in the past at one point? The Bible doesn’t speak on this because it wasn’t something I think many in biblical times could even fathom, but today it’s a very definite possibility with modern medicine. So now what? Is grace no longer grace? Do our pasts all of a sudden now define us even though God says to forget the former things and focus on the NEW thing He is doing?! I am convinced that a hard and fast rule needs a deeper back story and context understanding before we jump on the “it says what it says” train. I am not against remarriage. Even the “unbiblical” ones. If our hearts are repentant and turned toward Jesus Christ, then we stand in freedom and newness of life and should fear NO ONE or NO THING who speaks out against us. Amen.
I'm sooo confused 🤔 I am a divorcee since 2010 but also afraid to date or to get married again, since I know what I have read in the Holy Scripture. Lord have mercy, I'm only 39 yrs young......
What the Bible says....
Many of you are wondering what are the grounds of divorce and remarriage...
Moses gave the certificate of divorce for the hardness of man's heart but individuals were not permitted to remarry. Divorce and remarriage is only permitted through death or fornication Not adultery/sexual immorality( Read the most accurate translation KJV). These are two different words(definitions). Fornication is sex before marriage, Adultery is sex outside your marriage.
In those days a man was under the assumption that he was marrying a virgin. A nurse would stand outside the tent with a towel as they consummated(had sex) the marriage, if blood was not present and the female hymen was not broken she was found not to be a virgin. Because he married her under false pretense he was allowed to divorce her and remarry. Anyone else who divorces there spouse is to remain single or reconciled back to there spouse if they haven't remarried. If they enter into another relationship they are living in Adultery...
Matt 5:32-But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Matt 19:9- And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Mark 10-12-And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Luke 16:18-Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.
1Cor 7:39-The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
how do a theif repent?
how do a homosexuality marriage repent?
why would God honor vows on a union that he calls adultrey?
should a homosexuality honor his vows?
is there any biblical characters that did divorce and remarriage that God has joined?
Chris Ewalt homosexuality is not a marriages
ben parks
but according to pipers video even though its not the vows still bind it.
if its not then a 2nd marraige called adultrey isn't a marriage either
Chris Ewalt yes but even Jesus said to the Samaritan woman in john 4 that she had 5 husband's...I hear what your saying but I also understand that there are 2nd marriages and I do believe it would be wrong to divorce
What advice did he give her.
Go back to husband number 1 2 or 5 stay with 6.
He didn't give any instructions to her so its a bad biblical example to justify remarriage today
Chris Ewalt I was just saying they were her husbands meaning it is a marriage still
The scripture is clear on many ocations that remarriage is sin and it's an ongoing sin. To repent is to stop what you are doing and turn away from it, you can not repent on a second marriage and stay in it. That's impossible. It's like stealing a car and repent on stealing while still driving the car, it just doesnt make any sense.
Repent turn from their wicked way!
Luk 16:18 is a good start. 1 Corinth 7:10-11 is the most highlighted one. 1 Corinth 7:39 ( also Romans 7 :2-3 ) is also very clear on this and also explains what God ment by 1 flesh.
About keeping your vows is described in Bible both in new and Old testament:
Numbers 30:1-3 Showcases what the Bible means
Deuteronomy 23:21-23 Is another example and a pretty good one too.
Ecclesiastes 5:4-6 also showcases that if breaking a vow make you commit sin.
NT:
Matt 5:33.37
In v32 it's pointed out again: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
And Desiring Gods own lecure about 1 Tessaloniians 3:3-8 just puts marriage in a totally new perspective.
Yes you can divorce if you are in a brutal and damaging marriage, but 1 Corinth shows us how we can Honor and serve God the best way.
The Gibeonites were cursed for their falsehood, how can you suggest this to be good? Saul honor Gods wish to exterminate the Gibeonites and David Honor Joshua's vow with 7 sons of Saul to be hanged. 2 Samuel 21.
So no, you can not suggest this to be an excuse for remarrige due to a false vow.
The woman at the well is again not an indicator that she was married, as Jesus say. We do not know the conditions of the arangement other than that the woman was an outcast, which indicates she had no marriage relationship to this man she was living with. Saying that this is an "excuse" for remarriage will contradict 1 Corinth 7:39 and the Bible does not contradict itself.
It's been said ( by this channel )that marriage is a symbol of the marriage we have to Jesus, we cannot exchange Jesus with a new or different Jesus. THAT does not make any sense at all and is quite frankly impossible.
I'm so shocked with pastors, preacher that tries to find loopholes in the Bible to get around to justify a new marriage when the previous one broke. Life is not fair, Honoring God is not easy in this matter.
1 Corinth 7:39-40
The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
You can not get around this Bible verse without contradicting the Bible.
Ephhesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
ESV:
For you may be sure of this, that ueveryone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God
Once divorced we are not allowed to remarry again that is considered adulterous acts! Mathew 19:9 so every time u lay with ur second or third or so on wife u are committing adultery!!! The only exception is if ur partner commits adultery while you still married to that person
This is false.
Pastor John Hagee is on his SECOND marriage ~ he divorced his first wife in 1975. NOTE:--- "Christians don't steal or lie, they don't get divorced or have abortions."
That is a DIRECT QUOTE from Pastor John Hagee in "The Fish Gate" sermon, September 2nd, 2007. John Hagee married his first wife (Martha Downing) in 1960; he DIVORCED her in 1975, and married a member of his congregation (Diana Castro) a year later.
Here's the full info:
John Hagee married Martha Downing in 1960, and the couple had two children together. Hagee was the pastor at Trinity Church in San Antonio, but criticism from his divorce caused him to resign. Hagee has three children with Castro, named Matthew, Christina and Sandy. Hagee and his children with Castro are also musicians, who performed together as The Hagees.
On May 11, 1975, Hagee started a new church, called The Church at Castle Hills. Although it only had 25 members to start, it quickly grew in size, leading to two expansions. The first was a sanctuary with 1,600 seats, and the second was a sanctuary with 5,000 seats. Hagee named the second sanctuary Cornerstone Church. His son, Matthew, later took over as executive pastor of the church. John Hagee has written books, and numerous religious television stations broadcast his sermons. He has also founded religious organizations.
John Hagee wrote in a 1975 letter to his congregation that he was guilty of immorality, after which he divorced his wife, Martha Downing. The exact immorality is unknown. Some claim that Hagee had an extra-marital affair with Diana Castro, who had been a member of his former church congregation. He married Diana Castro, on April 12, 1976. The remarriage immediately following his divorce led to allegations that he had an affair during his marriage.
John Hagee was the founder and senior pastor of Trinity Church. The news of his impending divorce surprised his congregation. Martha gained the custody of their two children in the divorce. We never hear about his two children with his first wife, do we?
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Frank The Tank exactly wat I meant . Unless adulterous acts are involved. You are not to remarry anyone else. Adultery is the only exception!
Adultery is not an exception that allows for divorce. The word used is fornication. It didn't say adultery or sexual immorality. The new versions changed the original term from fornication to "sexual immorality." Now anyone can claim "sexual immorality" and then subsequently divorce. It is too much of a broad term and was NOT the original term used in scripture. The original term was specifically fornication.
@@drspaseebo410 what is the point of this information...
Here's the thing:
1. I had a messy and sexless marriage
2. He didn't want me, but was very into porn
3. Then once I found text in his phone to another woman. I don't know the extent of their affair
4. I was extremely lonely and the whole circumstance of the marriage was affecting my mental health
5. I tried marriage counseling, I tried talking to him, I tried seeking intervention of family and friends but things only got worse
6. I've now been on medication for depression and anxiety for almost 5 years
Given all of the above, is my divorce biblically justified?
I've been single for almost 8 years since the divorce. But if I ever find a godly man, would it be sin if I remarried?
I’d say no. It’s not justified.
I’d say you should focus on yourself first. Get right with the Lord if you’re not saved. Turn to Christ and repent and turn from your sins. Read the Bible, be obedient to God. Love him by getting to know him and read the Bible. I’d recommend a KJV. But after all that. Forgiveness is key. And praying for his salvation is key. Then you’d two work towards God and bringing glory to him.
Will you go to hell for a divorce? I’d say no. It’s something that makes God mad. But maybe not worthy of hell. BUT remarriage is a sin and getting remarried you commit adultery. And then you are LIVING in sin. And that’s not the works of a saved soul. The Bible gives two cases for divorce but NO reason except one for remarriage and that’s if your spouse dies. This applies to everything but God chastises his children, so if you’re married while being divorced and don’t feel bad every day. Then I’d say God isn’t chastising you. That’s a key for not being his child. Proverbs 10:22. Forgive him, pray for him. But don’t feel life is revolves around being married. That’s causes fleshly needs and desires that cause us to sin and not stay obedient to God. Life without a spouse isn’t lonely, strive to do Gods work and he’s always with you. No matter how depressing it may sound at first. I’ll pray for you and your ex husband. But God hates divorce. Try to reconcile...Hope this helped.
@@Texasguy316 thanks... Yes all my attention has been on God and my son... I'm not desperate for a spouse.... I just wondered...
My spouse has remarried and moved on... So there's no possibility of getting back together...
Thank you for your response
There is only one prohibition for remarriage in the bible and that is when a Christians is divorced from a Christian (1 Cor.7:11). They are expected to reconcile. Your former husband's behavior doesn't speak of him being a Christian. In 1 Cor. 7:8,9 the unmarried (divorced) and widows are instructed to marry rather than burn with passion or as Paul said earlier to avoid fornication (v.2). "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."
If you follow biblical history from Moses to Jesus to Paul (chronology) you will see that remarriage was not prohibited until Paul did so for believers married to believers.
Has your former husband been born again sense the divorce?
Is he already remarried?
Blessings
@@nealdoster8556 he is not a Christian. He has remarried and moved on...
Don't you listen to Texas guy. God does not expect us to stay in an abusive or harmful marriage. Re marrying is not adultery. Your spouse made the choice of breaking covenants.
So should my ex wife remain single? I believe God says to remain single like Hosea? Can I take back my ex wife? God willing..
If the two of you were never married before you met each other, then you're still married(one flesh for life) in God's eyes. Notice in scripture, Jesus said to either remain single or RECONCILE not REMARRY. Why reconcile? Because you're still married. Going to divorce court & signing papers doesn't break the marriage covenant. God prefers reconciliation, if possible or otherwise remain single.
@@sheranda77 , amen, we were both single before we got married, but she divorced me, but thanks for the encouragement, I never stop loving her though her heart is hard and loved another man, I just look to Samson and Hosea as my examples to get through a life of betrayal and adultery with Gods grace.. So should I keep praying for her repentance to return? Thanks..
@@Yulowirri Of course, keep praying for her because ultimately she's committing adultery against you & causing another man to commit adultery & most importantly broke her vow to God. God can change the hardest of hearts.
I wish society would realize how serious & how permanent the marriage covenant is. Most ppl think it's the same as dating.
@@Yulowirri This sista right here speaks about the marriage covenant alot. She has tons of videos about it. She's raw and very passionate about the restoration of covenant marriages ua-cam.com/video/pn-qnSVS-LI/v-deo.html
@@sheranda77 amen, thank you in the Lord, I will keep pray for her day and night, which is what the heart of God is, to love, I will have a look, if you could pray for my wife as well, my englisg name is Darran Williams and my Wife goes by Ngaire Micheals now, your prayers would be a blesing knowing there are other believers that follow God's command of 'He hates divorce' - Malachi....
God bless and praise the Lord for your fellowship.
1 Sam 14:24-45 gives reference to an oath Saul made that he didn’t not keep once realized it was a foolish oath
men do not get married.we live in a time where marriage is against u.stay single.
I have a girlfriend right now for the first time in nearly 5 years and I'm 30. So one of her best friends is dating a divorced guy, he knocked her up, and she's planning to move in with him and marrying him next year sometime. Crazy part is, about a month ago, i went to a baptism service for this young lady at the behest of my girlfriend, and I'm utterly confused as to how that is even the slightest reflection of a Christian relationship, and also find it concerning that my girlfriend is super excited about the whole thing and is hoping to be a bridesmaid. It's just given me a strong sense of unease that if she sees nothing wrong with that situation, if we were to continue dating and get married, if I make a mistake (or numerous ones, because I'm a fleshbound sinful creature) will she eventually just throw her hands up and leave? Doesn't a man who is married commit adultery in his heart even by looking at a woman lustfully?
I agree. I got married 4 years ago. I have regretted my decision every day for 4 years. Don't do it.
But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for a single stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law. Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. Now there was a rich man dressed in purple and fine linen, who lived each day in joyous splendor.
Luke 16:17-19
There is no dispute! A person cannot stay in a marriage that is NOT a marriage to begin with because it is ADULTERY!
Matthew gives an "exception" which is not an exception in modern day society anywhere. That exception is the cause of fornication. Matthew is written to a "Jewish" audience! The cause of fornication as found in Deuteronomy 22:20 is where a woman has been found to have lied in her vows on the night of her wedding claiming to be a virgin yet alas there's no blood on the sheets!
AMEN!!! Fornication, not adultery
Whatever. Whoever is without sin cast the first stone!
@@Foxygrandpa2131 this is not revelant to this topic.....
What if my husband Byron Andrew Hassell chooses sin and doesn't want to stay in a marriage because he believes that he has no need for marriage but yet I want to stay in the marriage but my husband is being selfish choosing sins over staying in the marriage should I pray and if so can you pray with me
I THINK in this case, you can divorce him (if both of you want) and be free to marry again (only you)
this is not a Biblical reason for her to divorce him....
People are getting confused between the act of remarriage and the state of remarriage, and thus missing his argument. His argument is as follows.
The act of remarriage is a sin.
The state of being remarried is not sinful.
This is seen in how a relationship wrongly entered can be sanctified, as seen throughout scripture.
As such, if you are remarried then what God expects from you is the same as for anyone in a first marriage, plus repentance of the wrong you did in starting this marriage.
If you are divorced and unmarried, getting married again is a sin, so don't do it.
This is all in his clip above. Note also the careful consideration he gives it in his article, because there is more to it than this, but the article is there to be read.
Not all marriages are put together by God (Joshua 23:12-13, Ezra Ch. 9:13-14, & 10:2-3, 10-13)...not to mention “David and Bathsheba or Samson and Delilah”
2. There are many unequally yoked marriages that God Hates even MORE than divorce (Exodus 34:14,16, Deut 7:3-4, Deut 13:6-10, 1 Kings 11:1-4)
3. Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today, and forever (Heb 13:8)
4. This means that God STILL commands us to separate from the disobedient and wicked...Ps 1:1, 26:5, Psa 101:4, 7-8, 119:113, 115, 118, Pro 13:20, 19:19, 22:10, 22:24-25, 23:9, Mat 7:6, 10:34-38, 18:17, Mark 3:25, 8:22, 10:14, 12:30, Rom 1:32, Rom 16:17, 1 Cor 5:11-12, 1 Cor 15:33, 2 Cor 6:14-17, Eph 5:3-7, 5:11-14, 2 Tim 3:1-5, Tit 3:10-11, Heb 1:8-9, 1 Tim 5:22, 2 John 1:11, Rev 18:4)
5. NONE of the above commands are abolished by the temporary institution called “marriage”
6. Jesus’ teaching on divorce was specifically to a Jewish audience (Just as each of His messages to the 7 churches in Revelation 2-3 were specific to each church in accordance to THEIR unique issues and sins, so too was His teaching in the Gospels on divorce specific to Jews who were in a divorce crisis, divorcing for any foolish reason, because their hearts were hard. (Matthew 19:8)
7. Even still, Jesus did not fail to give this concession to those Jews who were quick to divorce, saying, “Except for Adultery” regarding remarriage in Matthew 19:9
8. Jesus intentionally chose a woman who was divorced and remarried FIVE times to evangelize an entire town. Never once did he say to her, “God Hates divorce or you can never marry again, or you are going to hell because you remarried FIVE TIMES!” (John 4:1-25)
9. The same word used in 1 Corinthians 7:39 to describe the widow who is no longer “bound”, and thus free to remarry is the exact same word used in the phrase “no longer bound” in 1 Corinthians 7:15, to describe the new condition of the believing spouse who has been left by a believing spouse.
10. The greater principle in the NEW Covenant than “physical death” which can separate a marriage, is “spiritual death”. Many people are indeed in marriages, living with spiritually dead people who have once and for all rejected Christ and that death is slowly spreading to the “living spouse”, which is EXACTLY why God placed all the commands listed above to SEPARATE from the disobedient...He is trying to preserve a Holy uncontaminated remnant. This cannot be done when a person is living with a “dead body” yoking their light to the darkness. Passages showing Spiritual death in Scripture: (Mat 8:22, 23:27, John 5:24, 6:63, 12:40, Rom 7:10, 8:2, 8:6, Eph 2:1, 2:5, Col 2:13, Jam 1:15, 2:26, 1 Timothy 5:6, Rev 3:1)
11. Anyone who has doubts about divorce or remarriage should NOT move forward in either, until you have heard clearly from the Lord and can move forward by faith. Anything not done in faith (with doubt) is sin. Romans 14:23
12. Only God, by His Holy Spirit can give Revelation on the deep things and matters of His heart on subjects like this. God reveals them to Babes but hides them from the clever, the proud, the legalistic and the “wise and learned”. Matthew 11:25-26
Luke 7:33-35 NIV
[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' [34] The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' [[Michael Chriswell came and remarried after his first wife had an affair and then years later divorced him for serving God rather than money, and you say, 'Here is a lawbreaker and adulterer.']]
[35] But wisdom is proved right by all her children."
In this part of the book we look into the principle of spiritual death in the new covenant and the role it plays in some divorce and remarriage situations. Also, we talk about remarriage and finding God's specific will for your life. May the Lord bless you as you listen!
Wisely said. This has created much confusion. I'm remarried but my ex-husband cheated on me a few times, filed for divorce, cancelled it, then I filed because of everything, found someone else, then divorce finalized. It was so messed up. But now remarried, I've learned and repented for my part in not honoring God in what he'd told me to do. My ex was abusive and cheated, but I should have remained still. I cried, begged, pleaded, and retaliated for things to stop for a long time. He finally paused when I found someone else. I remarried three years after my divorce, but I was not healed and had no idea of anything different. Now my eyes are opened. My ex is still alive, thank God, but God said "go and sin no more." If I were divorce my current husband that would be committing another willful sin against God to break a vow I made. Besides my first husband cheated multiple times giving me the out. However, now that I know the importance of marriage, I would pray for my husband's heart and his salvation.
it says to the woman you will be called an adulteress.....ergo an ongoing sin....
@@flyhigh6591 Unequally yoked marriages are bad, but even worse are adulterous marriages. Read 1 Corinthians 7 and Romans 7. There is no excuse to divorce and remarry if the partner is still alive.
@@patrickhamilton7849 probably not a good idea to remarry in this generation . But fortunately for those who dare to tie the knot a second time there is no scripture anywhere written in the King James version that says you cannot remarry if your spouse is physically or spiritually dead. No not one. The biggest issue concerning marriage divorce and remarriage is most people like to read a couple scriptures that says if you remarry while you're a spouse is alive then you're going to hell. Well that's not exactly a quote but that's the point isn't it? I have challenged multiple people and some who know the bible really well and no one can show me even (one) scripture in which God clearly distinguishes the difference between physical and spiritual death. HOWEVER I get a lot of opinions concerning the topic. opinions are extremely dangerous. . I challenge anyone on UA-cam to show me where God clearly separates the difference between physical and spiritual death. It must be 100% scripture and zero opinion, anyone?? Well there is no such scripture but there are several scriptures God clearly does not define the difference between the two. they're both one in the same to him . If you like I can send you these scriptures ? Here's one scripture that has a lot to do with remarriage( indirectly) In Matthew 8:21, one of the disciples of Jesus said unto Him: “Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. Jesus said unto him in Matthew 8:22: “Follow me: and let the dead bury their dead.”
All marriage is covenant until the covenant is broken by sin.
There is no forgiveness if there is no true repentance .... True repentance means that you repent and abandon the sim, if you keep in sim there is no forgiveness!
Proverbs 28:13
this is true. You plan to not divorce again and repeat that sin.
I was married and my wife was married. We were rank backsliders, of course we practiced backsliding as we were both raised Pentecostal. Neither of us truly knew the truth until somewhere around 2006. We began listening to Alistair Begg, John Piper, JMac, etc. We have been married 31 years and our families are really encouraging us to pastor in our small community that is either hard core Pentecostal/charismatic, Over the top Independent Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, and Catholic. Our family has watched our growth and I have been performing weddings and other duties of a minister. I am struggling because I desire to teach God's Word and help our family members come to the truth about the Doctrines of Grace. They are open to hearing the Truth over the junk they learned in the Pentecostal/charismatic movement the past 80 years. We could have a small congregation if we started a small church. I became very serious about the Lord in 2006 and He done great things in our family. Our children and grandchildren love for Him. Are there sins we committed before we came to the knowledge of the truth in a more excellent way counted against me and do they prevent me from being a Pastor? Prayerful answers please.
Very Respectfully With All Due Respect Good Gods Day, Praying for anyone who is experiencing these non-Scriptural marriages that become a great hard-ship once Scriptural Truth Has Been Truly Taught ,
●Scripturally in order to be right with God you both must either go back to your very first spouses or remain single and as of right now strictly according to Gods Holy Scriptures you 2two must get a divorce on paper because Scripturally God does not even see this marriage at all,
●Scripturally you can not be a minister being in the state of "Adultery" which is what you both are in right now,
●And as you seem very sincere about being in some type of compacity participating in congregation leadership, Scripturally and Spiritually you may need to first get in order your divorce that needs to take place with this current Un-Scriptural marriage and then maybe serve in the church in other ways, you are Scripturally not qualified to be in leadership, not at all, not until you go back to your first spouse and live a working Faithful life to God and then qualify after being proven to God per your Obediance To Gods Commands,
●"IF" you have ever been married before and that spouse is still living you are Sctipturally "ONLY" allowed to "GO BACK" to that very first spouse;
●1st Scripturally you both must be each other's first spouse ever, If you happen to be a 2nd, 3rd spouse Scripturally God does not even see the marriage because no divorced person is Scripturally they "CAN NOT" re-marry no one new, they Scripturally "MUST" go back to their very first spouse,
Separation is "THE ONLY" authorized resolve that God The Heavenly Father Scripturally allows for marital problems that exist within a marriage that Scripturally consist of the marriage being the "VERY FIRST" marriage for both parties, Scripturally God "DOES NOT" authorize divorce "NOT AT ALL" but Sctipturally God The Heavenly Father Authorizes A separation "BUT!!!!" Scripturally the separation has to be for the purpose of "RECONCILLING THE MARRIAGE", while you both are seperated you both are Scripturally Commanded to be "WORKING ON RESOLVING YOUR MARITAL PEOBLEMS TO THEN EVENTUALLY YOU BOTH COMING BACK TOGETHER, THE LORD KNOWS THAT SOME THINGS DO TAKE TIME BUT GOD COMMANDS RECONVILIATION OF THE MARRIAGE, BOTTOM-LINE!!
May Gods Holy Scriptures In Gods Love Enlighten all,
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Since God Is The Authority* *Over All Scripturual Marriages* *Let's us see what The* *Authority God Himself says* *about Marriage*
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DIVORCE IS SCRIPTURALLY NEVER EVER APPROVED BY GOD, NEVER!
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*MATTHEW 5:31-32 NKJV*
“Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
*LUKE 16:18 NKJV*
18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.
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*1 CORINTHIANS 7:10-16 NKJV*
10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband.
11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her.
13 And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.
15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace.
16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
*1 CORINTHIANS 7:39 NKJV*
39 A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.
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16 "For the Lord God of Israel says That He hates divorce, For it covers one's garment with violence," Says the Lord of hosts. "Therefore take heed to your spirit, That you do not deal treacherously.
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Jesus' Teaching on Divorce
19 1 Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these sayings, that He departed from Galilee and came to the region of Judea beyond the Jordan.
2 And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them there.
3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?"
4 And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,'
5 and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?
6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."
7 They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" 8 He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
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2. those who are married to their very first spouse
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If u want the truth ask jESUS. We all have sinned and fallen short. I say this u can't keep doing it over and over
If someone can't stop but wants to and tried so hard but still then they need Deliverance not scripture qoated at them!
@@Campcrystal1 none of this justifies.....divorce and remarriage...
Good audio. I needed this. I'm about to marry a woman who got a divorce because her ex was unfaithful and physically abusive. He also completely abandoned their 2 year old daughter, so I'm adopting her too.
Dustin Layton Once divorced we are not allowed to remarry again that is considered adulterous acts! Mathew 19:9 so every time u lay with ur second or third or so on wife u are committing adultery!!! That applies to her also now when it comes to abuse she needs to ask God for help not leave the marriage!!
Despite what she has been through, you are not allowed to marry her if her first spouse is still alive, because she remains one flesh with him till one of them dies. If you marry her, you would be causing her to commit adultery, based on what the Bible says. She must remain unmarried or reconcile to her first husband. She should also seek God and become born-again, after which the understanding becomes much clearer. If you have married already to her at the time of this comment, you must leave her and she should remain unmarried or be reconciled to her first husband.
Matthew 5.32, later part of the verse on the marrying a divorced woman...But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and pwhoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Again, this guys is looking, and trying to analyze any and every other passage in the bible that will somehow make it ok for divorce and remarriage. Your not going to ever get peace about it because its Not Okay, Jesus had the final word. It is amazing that people will continue to find a way around it.
Paul said if he/she leaves then you’re free because they have left. You can’t be held to a covenant that your spouse has abandoned (1 Corinthians 7). So what if your spouse says they hate you and they will never be a wife/husband to you? They have abandoned the marriage but refuse to leave. This brings us back to what Jesus said about divorce. He said that He gave laws concerning divorce because of the hard hearts of people. It is not the way He wants it, but some people refuse to be a spouse and trap the other person in a relationship that can drive a person to despair. Does a person have to stay in a marriage with a hard hearted spouse who drives them into depression because they are trapped, bound to an unloving, hateful, spiteful person? Would you tell a person to stay year after year for 20, 30 years or more with a satan led evil person?
People who add to what Jesus said in the Bible for the "exception", putting the innocent party under a yolk that they themselves have not even proven to be able to live up to, are themselves as "hardened" as the spouse who betrayed you. I am 57 and has been Christian since age 12, lived in different countries, and practiced social work over 30 yrs in the US. I have never seen any pastor or church leader who would put their own sister or son/daughter under such a yolk, when they firsthand saw this most important covenant in one's life being chattered, after reasonable/repeated efforts to amend failed. They firsthand witnessed the pain of their loved ones and had to assist in their day-to-day recovery. The "truth" of what Jesus taught about divorce and remarriage automatically revealed in ALL of them without need to debate, no matter what country, era or ethnicity they came from. They absolutely have no doubt and no mood to add or subtract from what God repeatedly taught clearly in both old and new Testaments about these cases of "exceptions".
not being under bondage is not akin to not being bound...
Conservative evangelical Christianity is a joke - and not a very funny one.
Others on this thread have already pointed this out but I will put it in my own words. If a man divorces his wife for anything other than adultery or desertion and then meets another woman and hoodwinks a minister or pastor to carry out a new 'wedding' then that man and his new 'wife' are adulterers. Jesus says it in Mark's Gospel and this echoes what is in Malachi.
John Piper says that this adulterous relationship is blessed by God if the couple sit down and confess and repent. Really? Are you sure?
(a) Which other sin works like that where you can continue in the same behaviour only it is miraculously a sin no more?
(b) What would repentance look like here? I thought repentance meant a change of direction and not staying in the sin.
This teaching is un-Biblical and quite disgraceful.
David
Amen, David!!
First of all you said, "Jesus says it in Mark's Gospel and this echoes what is in Malachi." What Jesus said in Mark's Gospel is it was a sin to divorce someone with the intent of marrying someone else. That is an act of adultery. However it says nothing about it being an "adulterous marriage," once the marriage takes place. Secondly, in Malachi, God is addressing priests who are divorcing the wife "of their youth," in order to marry again, often to a pagan wife.
You say, "(a) Which other sin works like that where you can continue in the same behaviour only it is miraculously a sin no more?
(b) What would repentance look like here? I thought repentance meant a change of direction and not staying in the sin.
This teaching is un-Biblical and quite disgraceful."
Let's look at your point (a) first. In answer to your question, none. However, if someone makes a commitment to stop breaking their vows and stop divorcing, it does show a change.
Your point (b) goes with the previous answer. repentance does mean "a change of direction and not staying in the sin." By refusing to break covenant again, there is a change of direction. And you don't stay "in a sin," when you're not in one.
fornication.....there is another word, for adultery.....
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mar 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mar 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mar 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Mar 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Mar 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Luk 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Heb 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
The only things that end a marriage are death and the only caveat I have seen is fornication, where a man or woman marries in good faith then finds out that their spouse had relations before they were married. as relations before marriage is fornication.
it kinda goes back to the law when a man went to the elders and said my wife is not a maid,
Deu 22:13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
Deu 22:14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
Deu 22:15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
Deu 22:16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
Deu 22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
Deu 22:18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
Deu 22:19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
Deu 22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
Deu 22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
there is your fornication clause, but thankfully we are no longer under that, but we are under some of the same things from a New Testament perspective, like when there is adultery or even fornication we don't stone people anymore.
God has given us His word, and in that word, He has set forth those things that He calls sin, and Just because we have Jesus and forgiveness, does not mean we can do as we very well please, there is a cross to be taken up and bourn, a life of self-denial, of esteeming others better than yourself.
there are those who love God enough to want to be brought under the things of His word, while others hunt and peck the word of God for any possible loophole they can try to find, why because they do not love God, they love themselves they are all about themselves, basically, all they want is fire insurance, just enough salvation so that they think they are going to heaven, but not enough to be bound by the word.
those people will be horrified when they die, they will miss Heaven and have no chance to change,
Ecc 11:3 If the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth: and if the tree fall toward the south, or toward the north, in the place where the tree falleth, there it shall be.
when you leave this world, it is a very rare thing for a person to die and come back, we are talking clinically dead for minutes and coming back, that does not happen often when you leave, whichever direction your tree fell that is where it stays.
if you die saved amen happy and blessed you are, if you die lost, you will have eternity to ask yourself why didn't I listen why didn't I change, why didn't I believe the right way.
if you have a living spouse and you are remarried to someone else unless you got divorced on grounds of fornication, then you are in adultery and will be judged by God, that is what the word says matter of factly if you believe differently just wait till ya die, and you will find out for sure, and if you were wrong, well then you are now eternally wrong with no recourse to make it right.
I am going to believe the word of God over any pastor/preacher/teacher if they teach contrary to sound biblical doctrine I am gonna run the opposite direction away from them not wanting any part of their error.
There are several free bible programs out there, my favorite is E-sword, it even blows the paid bible software away, I paid 198.00 some years back for quick verse.
E-sword made quick verse obsolete before I bought quick verse had I known about E-sword.
I have well over 100 English bibles for e-sword, most free some I bought, E-sword has study notes and a built-in Step reader.
the stuff that is available for free for e-sword is mind-boggling there is so much free content available.
the acts of the apostles, the early church fathers, maps, John Bunyan, Johnathan Edwards,
I am only running 16 Bibles in E-sword but have run right at 100 a while back.
two of the features are a search function, you can search in any bible you have installed, all words, any words, exact phrase, or regular expression.
all words, in the search it will look for all of the words you typed, I.E, "let him that" it will search the bible you selected for all three of those words to be found in any verse, returning a list of verses that have all three words.
any words will search for any of your words, returning all verses that have any of the words you searched for.
exact phrase, "it is written" it will return a list of verses that have only that exact phrase.
regular expression, this is handy for searching for only a part of a word "know" this will return know, knoweth, knows, knowing, every form of the word know.
the search function is very handy, as I love to do word searches, "adultery" fornication" "cross"
the other function I love to use is the compare tab, it is with all of the bibles each bible having its own tab.
I will look up my verse in the KJV, say Phil 2:6 click on that verse in the KJV then click the compare tab and it will show me all of the bibles I have which have that verse.
I can then see for myself how each translation has that verse, very handy for defending the KJV.
because you are comparing apples to apples and posting such a comparison shows the corruption in the modern perversions.
@@dennishagans6339 AMEN
What about the first vow that you’ve made? To the first husband or wife? I hear pastor John say that you should stay in a second marriage so not to break the vow that you’ve made to the second spouse. But what about the first husband or wife. Isn’t it better to guide listeners to repent and go back to the first “love”?
The examples and bible references given by pastor John here are so out of context. I’m truly shocked.
And to compare the relationship between Israel and the Lord is so flawed in this way and instance because it stated so so often in the Bible that God asks Israel to turn and repent from adultery.
God is and always will be truth en loyal to His chosen. This says nothing about Israel and their lack of loyalty though.
I’m so saddened by this explanation by pastor John.
I can imagine an instance where remarriage is an option. If a person is a young widow or widower. Maybe with kids. It is till death do us part isn’t it? Or if the divorce was with a non believer and they were not converted yet... it is a difficult topic.
Repenting is not going back to your "first love.' In fact, this very practice was condemned in Deut. 24. God said it was an abomination to go back to a former spouse. Are you suggesting that one do something that God considered an abomination in times past? And to continue the practicing of breaking another vow and family, how is this bringing more glory to God? God does provide healing, restoration and forgiveness to those who have sinned.
@@martin9410 forgiveness does not change adultery to a valid covenant relationship....ergo get out of it....
Ok my 1st marriage i got married at 15 years old. I was forced into it. I did not know God and neither did he. He abused me for 12 horrible years and ripped me aoart. I left him and met a man who lives God who loves me and we have grown in our faith anf plan to marry as soon as the divirce is done. We now understand the sanctity of marriage and we comprehend how much God lives and values us and i know God was not ok with what i went through. We dont make alot of money so weve had a hard time paying for the divorce but its coming and we wilk be right by God. This is a very complicated matter and theres no doubt in my mind that God hates divorce. He also loves marriage and it is sacres i did not know God when i got married but i know him now. I know hes not ok with where im at right now but im beleiving he will bless me marrying the man i truly beleive i was created for.
There is no justification in any way shape or form for you to marry another man while you worked up in its house yet lives. You shall be an adulteress and he an adulterer he being the man that you choose to marry outside of the will of God.
my englisch is very bad so i hope you can understand, but people are so strickt on not divorcing but jet sin in a diffrent way
Yes, with lust and pride and selfishness and worry and doubt and lying and the list goes on, but those who remarry they say are hell bound. It’s interesting.
@@abby_stewart who is to say the first part of your statement is Biblical.....it sounds like a basic fallacy.....