Whole lotta grammarians on here criticizing a non-native speaker. Dude, your English is great. I've lived in a foreign country half my life and still don't speak the local tongue as well as you speak English. (That's on me for being lazy.) Keep the content coming. I always enjoy the videos, even if the content is old hat to me.
I own a Tarmac 2021 with 11speed with 105 11speed and precisely just a few days ago I was meditating about not wanting to worry about charging batteries and software and all of that and literally nobody talks about this groupset, finally you did😊 thanks and this reinforces my thoughts of this groupset from last week. Also the blippers and controllers of Ultegra are not present here on this 105 but I can live without it. Thanks
Just upgrade this groupset with the ultegra cassette and chain and then you get the smooth up and down hyperglide+ shifting without breaking the bank nor having to worry about batteries
Such a great looking groupset. Im riding an absolute superbike of a trek emonda with really good wheels, cranks, everything carbon, ultegra cassette/chain. but still on the 105 11spd mech shifters and derailleurs. My gravelbike has a sram rival axs. Altho that group is really really nice and works really good. My 105 shifts better. Is cheaper to replace parts and i NEVER had a single issue on the roadside riding almost 8k km every year
Over the last years i taken advantage of the technical incompatible inflation. So get a Cannondale Synapse Disc Carbon frame, old stock for 350€ because it uses 135mm hubs but QR. So a short period into the transition to through axle. The second Synapse Carbon frame barly used for 150€ because it is rim brake but get the round seatpost back. But the deflation goes on as i bought two old stock carbon framesets with direct mount rim brakes, they gone for 75€ each. The BR-R7020R is still on discount sell for third of the list price. The brake pressure point with the direct rim brakes is close to hydraulic without making cat sounds. Anyway there are also improvements. For instance the switch to 3x10 4700 Tiagra give much more precise shiting than the old 3x10 6503. This cable pull ratio change was nice as you now can have a very wide range GRX with the RD400 used in a 2x11 setup.
I've had issues with shifter cables fraying (not snapping) with Shimano 105 (11sp mechanical) twice, both on tours after having packed the bike. Once was with an Evoc bag (handlebars removed) and once with an Ostrich padded bag (handlebars not removed but turned until nearly parallel with the top tube). The cable was not snapped, but it was frayed, resulting in reduced shifting range on the rear derailleur. I am not discounting the possibility of user error in either case. But it was enough to motivate me to upgrade to GRX Di2. (To be honest, I was looking for an excuse to do this anyway.) I recently traveled for a tour using the Evoc bag with the GRX Di2 set-up, and there was no issue at all (despite the Evoc's frame being bent owing to rough handling by the airline). You mentioned that shifter cable snapping is not an issue with 105. If you have a method for avoiding what I've experienced, I'd very much enjoy watching your video on that.
I bought Jagwires best wireset (do not remember the name now) for all my bikes, and since then not even my Sora has any problems with gears. (just cause I write this, my cables will probably snap tomorrow :P
Coincidently my 105 mechanical shifting went to hell on my last ride so I took it in. The LBS figured out it was a frayed shifting cable which was fixed that day for only $27 CDN + tx (including cable). I rode 70km this morning with excellent shifting, so at that expense I'd find it as a poor excuse to upgrade to anything else. The bike is 2.5 years old.
This helped me decide. I will go 105 mechanical and ultegra cassette and rotors. Just, how difficult is to route shifters and brake housings through integrated handlebars?
With this 105 12s mechanical, I think the best combination will be buy the shifters and both derailleurs, then go for ultegra crank, cassette and chain or any other brand weight weenie parts. I think from r2-bike the whole group sets only cost under 800eur.
I'm running xt 12 speed 10-45 cassette with xt 2x 12 speed rear deraulluer, xt t8000 3x front derailluer with grx 810 crankset and flat bar shifters. Made possible with a derailluer hanger extension and larger jockey wheels and a beefier b screw. Eventually planning on converting my hybrid to a drop bar gravel bike. Eventually with grx 12 speed, hopefully di2. Its something like 700 an something % range. Eventually fitting either a 28/46 if it will shift, failing that 28/44 for a maximum of 739%. No 1 by in existence comes close.
@@jasonrodwell5316 To lower to 28 or lower the FD need to lowered enough, that conflict with bold on. Some modify the frame specific hanger. I simply use a trecking frame with a rigid fork geometry, old enough for braze on FD with pull-down.
I am still on Ultegra 6800 and feel no need to upgrade if I look at functionality. I had some nice expensive light weight chain, but its the first chain I have ever snapped in 25 years.. so I guess lightweight means also less durable in some cases.
I have that groupset but changed the rear derailleur to R7000 as there were issues with the original one. The new rear derailleur is so much smoother and quicker when shifting gears than I ever remembered the 6800 to be
There were shifting issues which only went away when I replaced the rear derailleur. I have never crashed the bike and can only speculate that at some point it was dropped by someone, e.g. at a cafe, and that this damaged the rear derailleur. I replaced everything (chainrings, cassette, chain) and it was only the replacement derailleur that caused the shifting issues to go away. I also ensured that the derailleur hanger was straight but this didn't resolve the shifting problem either. Yes, the R7000 rear derailleur works with the 6800 shifters. The lever throw to change to an easier gear is shorter compared to the 6800 and in many cogs the rear derailleur will now shift into a smaller cog when the lever is pressed rather than when it is released. I believe this is called instant shift although it doesn't seem to work on the larger cogs
Got an 11 speed hydraulic + mechanical Ultegra groupset for 730 EUR recently, which I think is a better deal overall. Personally don't care about the extra sprocket.
Use Ultegra crank and either 11 speed Ultegra or Grx as other post said rear mech. Look like not 105 to the casual eye then, if that should matter to anyone
Yeap, simple and efficient. Won't deceive you. I Saw two racer at the last tour de France wrongly stucked with their rear mech in security mode!! No more computer geeks on my sprockets. Ok? Ok.
In fact you don't need ultegra cassette to have HG+. 105 cassette has all the shifting structures on the cogs except 17t cog, making it effectively the same as ultegra cassette but being a lot cheaper. I could not tell the difference between a 11-34 ultegra cassette and 11-34 105 cassette whether using an 105 or an ultegra derailleur. HG+ is only avail starting from ultegra, is pure marketing BS from Shimano trying to upsell you ultegra.
The main purpose for Di2 is getting rid of cables sure mechanical groupsets are easy to repair and might last longer but it depends on usage the R7100’s price to the Di2 isnt that far if you find a good shop not a too known shop that sells stuff 40% more from the original price
Yes, clean headset cable mean no space for non-bendable gear cables. Some day they start to put rigid brake hoses into the frame. For cars there is a reason to have them visible and accesable below the car floor.
Well, you can 'force' it with some zip ties outside the frame. Even old steel frame could install electronic groupset if you're creative enough to use zip ties 😂
Turning a bike in to a child toy by stuffing it up with cheap electronics and demanding reparations instead of normal pricing is what made me stop looking at the offerings of this company altogether. I don't need the hassle and planned predetermined obsolescence of that. I expect my bikes to be good for more than just the warranty time of a lithium battery and support time of some donkey app.
There was a shop in Toronto, Canada selling Ekar take off groups for $900 CDN. Great deal. 13 speed un-necessary though. Would have been better if they just stuck with 12 speed for some interesting cross compat with Chorus.
I asked our dear friend AI. "Yes, "absolutely unique" is grammatically correct. It is an adverb-adjective phrase where "absolutely" modifies the adjective "unique."" (and I asked what the defination of unique was, and it told me.. that something can only be unique... not very unique" :D and companys actually wants to invest money into this :D
Whole lotta grammarians on here criticizing a non-native speaker. Dude, your English is great. I've lived in a foreign country half my life and still don't speak the local tongue as well as you speak English. (That's on me for being lazy.)
Keep the content coming. I always enjoy the videos, even if the content is old hat to me.
I love my r7100 groupset with 165mm cranks was under $800 CDN on Merlin. I wish I had bought a couple more when they had the 165mm in stock.
I own a Tarmac 2021 with 11speed with 105 11speed and precisely just a few days ago I was meditating about not wanting to worry about charging batteries and software and all of that and literally nobody talks about this groupset, finally you did😊 thanks and this reinforces my thoughts of this groupset from last week.
Also the blippers and controllers of Ultegra are not present here on this 105 but I can live without it.
Thanks
Just upgrade this groupset with the ultegra cassette and chain and then you get the smooth up and down hyperglide+ shifting without breaking the bank nor having to worry about batteries
Id much rather have the x2 mechanical, rim brake 105 groupset, by far, no question
Sure it's good but while 12 is awesome for 1x, mtbs, i feel the appeal for road is limited. Shimano 2x11 are hard to fault.
the most important fact is that 105 cranks are not glued together, that makes them the top tier shimano groupset.
Woah the ultegra and dura ace are glued. That's crazy.
105 cranks are about a kilo. It’s much lighter to buy the previous generation cranks. The old 105 is lighter than the new dura ace.
Such a great looking groupset. Im riding an absolute superbike of a trek emonda with really good wheels, cranks, everything carbon, ultegra cassette/chain. but still on the 105 11spd mech shifters and derailleurs. My gravelbike has a sram rival axs. Altho that group is really really nice and works really good. My 105 shifts better. Is cheaper to replace parts and i NEVER had a single issue on the roadside riding almost 8k km every year
Over the last years i taken advantage of the technical incompatible inflation. So get a Cannondale Synapse Disc Carbon frame, old stock for 350€ because it uses 135mm hubs but QR. So a short period into the transition to through axle. The second Synapse Carbon frame barly used for 150€ because it is rim brake but get the round seatpost back. But the deflation goes on as i bought two old stock carbon framesets with direct mount rim brakes, they gone for 75€ each. The BR-R7020R is still on discount sell for third of the list price. The brake pressure point with the direct rim brakes is close to hydraulic without making cat sounds.
Anyway there are also improvements. For instance the switch to 3x10 4700 Tiagra give much more precise shiting than the old 3x10 6503. This cable pull ratio change was nice as you now can have a very wide range GRX with the RD400 used in a 2x11 setup.
I got a complete 7100 105 groupset including bottom bracket and rotors for 500€ new. It was a steal. All ancillaries included.
How about the SHIMANO GRX 12 speed mechanical?😅
I've had issues with shifter cables fraying (not snapping) with Shimano 105 (11sp mechanical) twice, both on tours after having packed the bike. Once was with an Evoc bag (handlebars removed) and once with an Ostrich padded bag (handlebars not removed but turned until nearly parallel with the top tube). The cable was not snapped, but it was frayed, resulting in reduced shifting range on the rear derailleur. I am not discounting the possibility of user error in either case. But it was enough to motivate me to upgrade to GRX Di2. (To be honest, I was looking for an excuse to do this anyway.) I recently traveled for a tour using the Evoc bag with the GRX Di2 set-up, and there was no issue at all (despite the Evoc's frame being bent owing to rough handling by the airline).
You mentioned that shifter cable snapping is not an issue with 105. If you have a method for avoiding what I've experienced, I'd very much enjoy watching your video on that.
I bought Jagwires best wireset (do not remember the name now) for all my bikes, and since then not even my Sora has any problems with gears. (just cause I write this, my cables will probably snap tomorrow :P
Coincidently my 105 mechanical shifting went to hell on my last ride so I took it in. The LBS figured out it was a frayed shifting cable which was fixed that day for only $27 CDN + tx (including cable). I rode 70km this morning with excellent shifting, so at that expense I'd find it as a poor excuse to upgrade to anything else. The bike is 2.5 years old.
@@AndrewTSq😂
A known issue with shimano mechanical cables fraying due to the routing within the shifter
@@AndrewTSq Yes, you've jinxed it now!
This helped me decide. I will go 105 mechanical and ultegra cassette and rotors. Just, how difficult is to route shifters and brake housings through integrated handlebars?
105 has always been unique,even way back in 1990 when 105SC was first introduced.
good, you used unique properly without a modifier.
With this 105 12s mechanical, I think the best combination will be buy the shifters and both derailleurs, then go for ultegra crank, cassette and chain or any other brand weight weenie parts.
I think from r2-bike the whole group sets only cost under 800eur.
why go for a glued together crank waiting for recall.
GRX 810 mech or DI2 - (11 speed) run an XT 11 - 42 cassette in the rear - for the non athlete riders - the way forward 👍🏻
That’s what I do on my endurance bike, except GRX 812 mech for 1x11.
On my gravel i use the RD400 with 11-40 and 46/30. For the monster gravel (55mm) the same RD400 but with the CUES 36/22.
@@kentjoosten8149 Enough range? Thats why many switch to SRAM for 1x11 range.
I'm running xt 12 speed 10-45 cassette with xt 2x 12 speed rear deraulluer, xt t8000 3x front derailluer with grx 810 crankset and flat bar shifters. Made possible with a derailluer hanger extension and larger jockey wheels and a beefier b screw. Eventually planning on converting my hybrid to a drop bar gravel bike. Eventually with grx 12 speed, hopefully di2. Its something like 700 an something % range. Eventually fitting either a 28/46 if it will shift, failing that 28/44 for a maximum of 739%. No 1 by in existence comes close.
@@jasonrodwell5316 To lower to 28 or lower the FD need to lowered enough, that conflict with bold on. Some modify the frame specific hanger. I simply use a trecking frame with a rigid fork geometry, old enough for braze on FD with pull-down.
What is the name if your german channel?
I am still on Ultegra 6800 and feel no need to upgrade if I look at functionality. I had some nice expensive light weight chain, but its the first chain I have ever snapped in 25 years.. so I guess lightweight means also less durable in some cases.
I have that groupset but changed the rear derailleur to R7000 as there were issues with the original one. The new rear derailleur is so much smoother and quicker when shifting gears than I ever remembered the 6800 to be
@@Nick-lm9hg what was the problems with your 6800 RD? So you run R7000 with 6800 shifters?
There were shifting issues which only went away when I replaced the rear derailleur. I have never crashed the bike and can only speculate that at some point it was dropped by someone, e.g. at a cafe, and that this damaged the rear derailleur. I replaced everything (chainrings, cassette, chain) and it was only the replacement derailleur that caused the shifting issues to go away. I also ensured that the derailleur hanger was straight but this didn't resolve the shifting problem either.
Yes, the R7000 rear derailleur works with the 6800 shifters. The lever throw to change to an easier gear is shorter compared to the 6800 and in many cogs the rear derailleur will now shift into a smaller cog when the lever is pressed rather than when it is released. I believe this is called instant shift although it doesn't seem to work on the larger cogs
@@Nick-lm9hg I use r6800 and R8000 parallel on 2-3 bikes, and R6800 is just as good or better.
@@Gianniz27 thank you for the insightful comment. Oh wait
I'm a bike mechanic and I will continue to use mechanical parts. Not interested in charging batteries or updating software. Its not worth the hassle
So how can I find your German channel?
Got an 11 speed hydraulic + mechanical Ultegra groupset for 730 EUR recently, which I think is a better deal overall. Personally don't care about the extra sprocket.
Use Ultegra crank and either 11 speed Ultegra or Grx as other post said rear mech. Look like not 105 to the casual eye then, if that should matter to anyone
could you post links to your other yt channels?
I'm still waiting for the 105 12 speed mechanical rim brake. Ultegra and Dura Ace 12 speed already have rim brakes.
Isnt GRX 810 2x 12spd mechanical shifting groupset?
820 is, also 610
Yeap, simple and efficient. Won't deceive you. I Saw two racer at the last tour de France wrongly stucked with their rear mech in security mode!! No more computer geeks on my sprockets. Ok? Ok.
What is your opinion of the tiagra 4700 groupset? Thanks for sharing
And about 300 used on FB marketplace and usually in good condition ❤❤❤❤
What is the price of the group?
In fact you don't need ultegra cassette to have HG+. 105 cassette has all the shifting structures on the cogs except 17t cog, making it effectively the same as ultegra cassette but being a lot cheaper.
I could not tell the difference between a 11-34 ultegra cassette and 11-34 105 cassette whether using an 105 or an ultegra derailleur.
HG+ is only avail starting from ultegra, is pure marketing BS from Shimano trying to upsell you ultegra.
What a great take. Thank you! What is your German channel?
What bike frame is in the background? It looks really nice
Looks to be a winspace slc 3.0 or an OG Evkin frame
Are there with rim break?
The main purpose for Di2 is getting rid of cables sure mechanical groupsets are easy to repair and might last longer but it depends on usage the R7100’s price to the Di2 isnt that far if you find a good shop not a too known shop that sells stuff 40% more from the original price
Not true about the prices in the Netherlands. 105di2 12speed complete groupset is €899 Ultegra Di2 12speed €1399
Same in Germany. But those are discounted prices.
@@AndresGarcia-hu8ij yes but who is paying full retail prices these days. No one
I have no intension of going electronic!Bike industry is out of control!
Amen!
some frames do not accept mechanical groupsets.
Yes, clean headset cable mean no space for non-bendable gear cables. Some day they start to put rigid brake hoses into the frame. For cars there is a reason to have them visible and accesable below the car floor.
Well, you can 'force' it with some zip ties outside the frame. Even old steel frame could install electronic groupset if you're creative enough to use zip ties 😂
👍👍👍
grx is 12x 🤓
Turning a bike in to a child toy by stuffing it up with cheap electronics and demanding reparations instead of normal pricing is what made me stop looking at the offerings of this company altogether. I don't need the hassle and planned predetermined obsolescence of that. I expect my bikes to be good for more than just the warranty time of a lithium battery and support time of some donkey app.
I've snapped gear cables before, it's not a myth, but its also not a common issue.
campagnolo ekar is just "few" EURO more...
There was a shop in Toronto, Canada selling Ekar take off groups for $900 CDN. Great deal. 13 speed un-necessary though. Would have been better if they just stuck with 12 speed for some interesting cross compat with Chorus.
The plastic cover of 105 Di2 is broken easily, there are lots of failure, it's better to use the front derailleur of UT.
Which part?
7:30 well to be fair, sram has the most terrible braking performance gs
"absolutely unique"
Very unique would sound better.
@@reinholdachleitner2069 VERY unique is actually the commonest of all the UNIQUE devils. It's also bad!
@@reinholdachleitner2069 yes, SOUND better, but . . .
I asked our dear friend AI. "Yes, "absolutely unique" is grammatically correct. It is an adverb-adjective phrase where "absolutely" modifies the adjective "unique."" (and I asked what the defination of unique was, and it told me.. that something can only be unique... not very unique" :D and companys actually wants to invest money into this :D
'Electronical' is not a word. It's 'electronic' or 'electrical'. In this case, it's 'electronic shifting'.
he is obviously not an english speaker. as long as you understand what he means that is ok.
@@xd1be9nb7v true, but his English is actually very good, so I was just pointing out a correction for a word he uses alot. No malice at all.
I am not native english speaker either, and thought it was a word for electro-(mecha)nical, since the gears are both electric and mechanical :)
@@AndrewTSq yes, strictly speaking they are! Just not widely know as that.