Xpeng P7 Performance Wing Edition driving impressions & summary
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2022
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you're right... all the alerts and sound effects are super annoying!
I am Korean, but I totally agree with you about ding-dong sound. Anyway, ride quality looks very solid and comfortable. Quite impressive! I want Tesla to take softer suspention setting.
same happened in (some of) asian car lol.
Agree, suspension is so underrated. I love my model 3, but the suspension is poor and harsh.
I live in China, and I am scared of local "self driving" software written by people who have no idea how to drive! You make good points Bjorn.
If the autonomys driving sofware can survive that enviroment, it shall work anywhere. I am one of thise have no idea how to drive, but I behave most of the time. That is until someone want to take my spot when I have been in traffic for hours, I will show them my true colour.
Tesla autopilot doesn't even work that well in places in the US where driver discipline is lacking compared to Europe
But is it possible for it to be worse at driving than the Chinese? I mean, at least it might indicate, stay in lane and stop automatically when the driver tries to wipe out a cyclist/pedestrian/another driver.
We chinese people drive 60 in 80 zone and 75 in 120 zone for safety reason, and we also drive in left lane and dont use indicators for safety reason. remember, the chinese enginneers drive like that.
@@MOCAR_ON_EARTH drive 20 kph slower than speed limit and it works.
I agree with you Bjorn about the annoying ding dong and voiceovers. I also want the car to remember my preferred settings, I don't want to change half a dozen settings every time I get in a car.
NIOs can detect the driver's preferences and adjust automatically. Most of the sounds can also be turned off. NIO is the best :)
Bjorn is so correct that it's painfully obvious. Please hire him.
Bjorn maybe you can score all the cars in total so we can compare them all overall.
the amount of sounds and hints this car makes is infuriating
Chinese Hans Zimmer designed it after the star wars arcade games 😄
@@KevKlopper Hanseng Zim-Zon-Zimereng is my favorite
Try a Mach E. Bloody sound for everything
Actually most tones are able to be turned off or turned down
Those chimes and voices would drive me mad. I already wish Tesla's chimes were configurable and they're more subtle.
I totally agree. I always turn off every sound on my phones, and I would do the same for a car.
Xpeng should listen to Bjorn’s advice, I agree!
Hi Bjørn, thanks for the informative and entertaining video. I've owned a BYD Tang EV for 6 months now, it also chimed and gave me verbal warnings for different things at the beginning, however, I was able to disable the verbal warnings and chimes and now the car is just fine.
BYD basically is an Android tablet with an Android OS skin , very customizable
Hey Bjørn, great video 👍 I think it would be awesome if you could make dedicated infotainment videos to test how good they work
Definitely agree with Bjørn. Guess most of us don't want unnecessary system sounds.
On most fronts, this looks like an excellent car - handling, noise levels, interior quality, even external looks, seem very good.
Annoying software bongs are a nuisance (though they sound exactly like all the useless chimes and bongs on my smartphone, so maybe they let some IT geek go a bit too far…), though eminently fixable with a software update.
The rapid charging speed does seem a bit low. In everyday driving that’s probably irrelevant, but on the occasions you do longer trips it could be a bit annoying.
Agree that the doors are a bit gimmicky, just like the falcon wing doors on the Model X.
Takk for turen, Bjørn! Har sittet noen måneder og vurdert elbiler under 400k, og Xpeng har nylig begynt å komme ned under den terskelen, så dette hjalp mye :)
Jeg tenkte det samme, men de biler som ligger ute på Finn blir jo nesten aldri solgt. Priser faller bare, hvor selger folk bilen etter 1 år?
@@Mrback2k9 Godt spørsmål. Hvor og hvorfor. Er du forresten oppdatert på konflikten mellom Tesla og EU? Hva tenker du om konsekvensen for norske eiere som følge av den?
Another good review video. Thanks for dropping this one.
They should make cars that have a comfort option for the suspension. Not everyone wants a spoty suspension for daily driving. At least this car seems super comfy compared to the others out there
Xpingpongdingdong
Cars should come with a shut-up-button, just as phones.
In regards to the chimes, I think the Chinese don’t have a problem with it. So why would they need to “fix” it? However, they are now importing to Europe and they should look into localization to adapt to what Europeans want.
How is the UI? Is it simple and easy to use? You brought up a legitimate point about switching the control when using assisted driving. But I seem to get the idea about not liking the software due to xpilot’s annoying chimes and control more than the actual user interface
Furthermore, you should base your review NOT only on X pilot and assisted driving but on other factors too.
Just my 2 cents. Cheers
Yes I agree with Tesla Bjorn.
What about their Safety rating?
Agree with you, Bjorn. All the Ding-Dongs and software inconsistencies are a no-go, over here in Europe. Also i dont get it why chinese manufacturer can't build a sedan with a hatch, all of them have that small opening. It would be so much more practical. It won't affect any body-stiffness, just copy the BMW i4. 😉
Hope u drive safe
It won’t be difficult to turn off some
of the alert sounds like we do in cellphones
Yes agree with Björn, turn off the sound for the win
Why, doesn't it have blind spot monitoring ? Mazda MX-5 has small headrest with bose speakers
Yes, we agree with bing-bong-Bjorn ... Joe Mode please !!!
On the bright side, the software is just as easy to improve as it is hard to. As long as they get a software team as good as those ones in the Silicon Valley. The hard part is that it is not easy to put up a good team.
Yes I'm also agree with you! 🙏
I'm a European/ Chinees/ Dutch man and I also don't prefer a pinball machine car experience all the time while driving.
My daily Drive is a Hyundai Ionic 28 kWh EV car. So it's beeping some what, but it's not annoying like hell!
We like driving self the car and if the car give assistant to the driver when we wish for,then it's good! Of course on the highway I prefer the car driving itself, it's more comfortable....
amazing car, i like all the tech and crazy features they put it. Looks very fun and at the end of the day not many offer this. hope they will come to UK too
Not gonna happen soon for right hand drive countries, very sad
Chinese cars will never be allowed in the US market right? Like the phones? 18:03
Beautiful car.
I agree
As German I don't like these ding-dong sounds from the car, too. Only as warnings or car-problems there should be a sound signal
What is most annoying - the sounds when you change drive modes or the touch screen that doesn´t work properly?
1 TB = 2 people, I agree.
Totally agree! Those Chinese ding-dongs are close to a show stopper for me, there are other cars without all those ding-dongs.
The ride is controlled by the damping in the shock. High(sharp bumps not car speed) and low speed(wallowing) compression damping while compressing. And rebound damping while pushing the wheel back with the spring force. The one thunk BMW has much better controlled rebound damping valving. It's not that complex although there are complex electronic and magnetic control systems.
I noticed there is no sound when turning on the two lamps above the driver. If it had not been for the light it would have impossible to know if they where on or off ! Just eat the camel Xpeng
the only voice missing :
- "Ze bluetooth dewise iz connected-uh succesfoullay"
omg is that lady in all chinese devices?
@@slavko321 that's right
25:09 😂😂
Wow, my driving instructor took pains to drill into me not to move my shoulders for a blind spot check, just turn my head. Can’t believe someone would design a car to prevent that working (or that it would even be allowed!)
Listen to Bjorn!
Tip to car manufacturers:
1. Listen to Bjorn
2. Port on the left side which is the right side!
That plane has already sailed. More manufacturers are using the right side and some like Hyundai have switched from left to right.
Tesla are going to have to put longer cables on their chargers!
The chime for (de-)activating the cruise control and also the missing ability to steer with the autopilot is so annoying. Even in Joe Mode the chimes are still to loud.
That refers to the Tesla Model 3 as well as the Xpeng P7.
Agree, Tesla 3 and Y can be almost as annoying. Looks like autopilot on Tesla works better than this P7 at least. Future versions of Xpeng’s NGP should be better. Especially on G9.
Those doors are nice idea if we are parking in tight area
Chargeport on the left? you really think that is a good idea! First I wasn't sure if you meant it ironic or not. Why?
Because it is closer to the drivers door? For me front, rear or right is a better option than the left side.
There is a video about this. Where Björn explains why he thinks the right side is the wrong side.
In what sense would all other options be better than the left side?
@@tobiasforsberg2497 I know that the most relevant argument I remember is that Tesla is doing it and they don't do misstakes 😉 Just kidding.
The most relevant reason why to have it on the right side is that if you park sideways next to the road to charge your car the powercord has to be long enough to reach the other side of the car and you will stay on the street to plugin the charger. Not a good idea Imagine there is a lot of traffic.
Thats an security issue and that is for me the most important reason above any other possible convenient reasons.
@@tobiasforsberg2497 Btw. best idea ever, have a charge port on each side. 😉
Except ! Charge point on the right side not left
100% correct Bjorn, because its easy to copy a wheel or a body panel or a motor but its not so easy to reverse-engineer a UI system, and also its definitely a cultural thing where Asian manufacturers unless they have design experience from Western markets they will put the fancy lighting patterns and the silly sound effects etc etc because thats what their domestic markets like
If US can sanction HUAWEI, it can also sanction BYD, XPENG or any other Chinese company.
So if you buy a Chinese car and the maker gets sanctioned, how will you get spare parts or servicing?
Also, what will happen if you try to sell your used, but sanctioned car - is that a violation of sanctions?
Interesting point
Another great review mate 😊
I think maybe they forget to hire some sound effect designer. This is totally fixable with OTA update
Introducing the car.
In the dark.
:D
What do you have with Toyota drivers all the time? In case you don't know, you can disable slowing in curves in Toyotas!
100% right, even my bmw makes too much beeps in my opinion
This XPeng looks pretty awesome from the outside, seems to have impressive noise insulation, built quality, drive, but the software should definitely be improved.
But damn, the chinese are up there in taking over the EV world.
Looking forward to seeing these doors perform in Norwegian winter. #TeslaModelXshitshow
There are definitely cultural differences but in this day and age chinese manufacturers have to know what western customers expect and dislike - Xpeng even operates partially from California. They are either not capable, which would be baffling or they don't care. And if they don't care it could be because they don't think western markets will be signifficant for them. But it could also be, and this goes back to the cultural aspect, that it is deeply engrained in them not to adapt to western ways.
Actually, them operating in California would make perfect sense. Lots of dings and electronic sounds for functions sounds exactly like what Silicon Valley software engineers would add to a car, just like they do to smartphones - it’s why I always keep my smartphone on silent mode to stop those maddening sounds.
Navi speaker‘s voice sounds like TM3‘s speaker‘s voice. So, this car cannot be better than a TM3.
Agreed, I really don't like these artificial voices and sounds, especially in electric car
They actually sell it on Aliexpress.
As a great philosopher once said: ASMR then tub
I think XPeng neglected the GUI in China because its Chinese voice assistant is so superior that users don't need to touch the screen unnecessarily.
6:22 Dam you scared me 😅
I agree. In European cars I think, people think when there are dings and dongs the car is trying to say something is wrong with the car, we have to stop the car by the side of the road immediately and call services for help. People are not pilots and easily distracted. More dings and dongs will not help people assess the situation and frankly in the long run be desensitised to danger, because we just don't listen to the dings and domgs amymore, because they distract from focus. Based on this one could argue that so many dings and dongs are dangerous and dysfunctional, thus should be illegal.That's how cars sounds have been implemented in the past. With all the dings and dings people are actually confronted with information overload which only aggravates the situation. I think it has nothing to to with Chinese EVs being cheaper and that we must accept this orchestra of nonsense sounds. But its a trend I see in general with companies and sofywar. People want to cater design and sound for people, curate. But I think the dilemma with software and increasing induvidualism people want to design their layout and data dashboard themselves. This conflict with quality of software I think is what is fueling the dissatisfaction in current computer tecnologies in car dashboard/infotainment and compters, tablets and computers in general. Apple who had for the longest time kept their home screen exactly the same for years is also letting go and allowing a higher tier of personal customization/personalization of the home screen. Android could do it already more advanced for decades. Microsft is trying to find that balance, but recently thinking they want tighter control of the desktop and tablet mode deign by curating the software more tightly than previous editions of windows. For me the company that allows for the highest degrees of freedom with eventually provide the best software experience in the vehicle. Even Tesla has sgown people are dissatisfied that the layout has changed wothout the user veimg able to persinalize the layout they want on the center screen. To me ot is not a surprise this dissatisfaction of a more curated design with the end user having no control of the end user experience. It is in fact a downgrade in essence, because we all know we can do far more with software to cater for the individuel friver/owner. I think in a way the Chinese are doing the same, copied or not. I can understand this behavior of automakers to a degree, because they want to cater for what they think is best for us, preferably through data driven evidence. But I think when it comes to the sofyware experience is where we lose the individual customers wishes to the trying to set the average by skewing buyers to the average, letting peoples preferences in software get lost in translation to the averages. I personally think the big companies want too much control of the software experience. In the long run I think big companies are going to shoot themselves in the foot for this, because a growing part of society is growing up to be more literate with software and customizability. We already have over a decade of experiemce with this with the current smartphone and tablet technologies. That automakers, even Tesla and Chinese automakers want to cater for that too os getting to feel old, fast, frankly since the first Tesla with a big screen hit the market. I think the future of EV software is to simply cater for options of customizability. Options, options options (this also means the option to literally rurn a feature on or off (even turn off the infotainment screen!!!) it should be childsplay by now). I think this will greatly improve the software experience in any EV, from the cheapest to the most expensive EV on the market, today.
Have you ever considered splitting in different paragraphs?
@@bjornnyland Thank you for your response. I have, but I am limited by the constraints of limited editing options of the textboxes in the comments section. Secondly, I assumed people would divide the text into sections themselves as the comments section is open source, is my basic understanding. So I can be asked to consider, but I figure people would do it themselves as they see fit to make it readable for themselves. I mostly comment from a smartphone, but do not have the workflow of preediting in a textveditor, because the participation is spontaneous in the spur of the monent with sharing, not commenting professionally. Then I would consider using a different platform of communication than the comments section.
As for the irritating dingdons and chimes: Most Asian / Japanese cars have them too. And they are a real cock blocker for me. I don't need a chime to tell me that my door is open. I can see it. I don't need a chime to know that my key is still in the keyslot, I can see it. And so forth...
For me the bmw i4 with Tesla engineering, would be the perfect car. With this in mind, the things that are wrong with chinese cars (often); Software (as Bjørn says), No Hitch and no Hatch, and often no Frunk either. Edit: Chinese automakers apparently have some of the fastest charging EVs, however i think almost all EVs sold in norway top out at 120kw and many wont get past 80 even. Thats just not good enough
@@biddie868 yes but im not hating 😅 i look forward to see cars like the 001, Seal and g9 as well. As I said they know their shit but we have not got the good stuff yet 😅 but i Hope all manufacturers ditch the sedan opening . I mean imagine model 3 with y hatch for example 🙈
I wonder what you mean by "Tesla engineering"? Is it always being in beta? :P
@@patrickf2386 😅 the experience traveling long distance is pretty ace though. And the grip and performance and low consumption is awesome
@@egil-andrenessmortensen3037 Actually, long-distance travelling in an i4 is a much more comfortable experience (sound insulation, air suspension, seats). Consumption is also almost on par, at least for the RWD variant. Literally the only advantage I see, is Teslas own SC network. I have driven both and imo the i4 is a much better vehicle overall. But then it also has to be for the extra you pay ;-)
@@patrickf2386 yes 😅 i own a m3p and have ordered i4. But the i4 is far from perfect sadly
why does it open 'both' doors???
If you pay 10,000 extra, you reallly want the whole world to know.
So both seats get wet when it rains. Fairness etc.
I would love to get one in Germany. Model 3 owner
I guess the annoying chimes/sounds are required by the Chinese laws? (Many Chinese EVs have them.)
And, yes, the Chinese EV makers should remove them or can disable them in the EU-spec (and global-spec) cars.
Don’t think so. My NIO didn’t make many sounds.
Can a Chinese speaker explain how the English word "gear" ended up being used as a measure of distance?
Tesla software team mindset is "how do we make the experience fun and delightful?"; Chinese software team mindset is "how do we avoid getting sued?"
makes sense, China is even more litigious than the US funnily enough
We agree with whatever funny nonsense Björn says on his media outlets of choice!
...and also all the feedback and criticisms he expresses because he knows what to pay attention to!
P7 is a great car, but as a Chinese I also think those ding dong / activation sounds / sound effects are truly stupid. Like in most other places, it's always the most vocal (and often less smart) people who are making demands, and those demands may not reflect true general public desire, let alone the culture.
hmm it has the kia wheel
Yes, chinese people are different from the rest of the world and yes, they do want and need all these chimes and lights. It's to prevent them from sueing companies out of business and required by law (afaik).
I confirm, about the chimes. 😑. We're all loyal to you Bjorn. 😎. a Toyota driver following you is impossible Bjorn. They're old ladies. 😎. Thanks for the attempt. 🤒
Hahaha still blinking left in the roundabout for a 270 degree exit :-)
That's how you drive in Norway.
www.vegvesen.no/trafikkinformasjon/langs-veien/trafikkregler/kjoring-i-rundkjoringer/
Hopefully P5 will be better..and cheaper ! ..and 480kW charging.. that will kick ass for the lorrrrd 😋
Maybe there is a secret here, since Chinese cars sounds like toy's they sell to children, then maybe the Chinese car owners play more and that way keep their inner child longer. Can this be the secret explanation for why Asian people looks younger than they actually are ??? Asking for a friend ?
Believe me, some Chinese car manufacturers will hire you soon ;)
Chinese are used to being under surveillance and being told what to do. Every house has monitors that dings different sounds. Ding - get up.Ding - eat. Ding - defecate. it is normal.
All those sounds and the voice alerts is annoying.
Dang not gona hate but that shit is pretty sick ass .
Tesla makes the same dings and chimes but not quite so much. Still drives me nuts not being able to turn them off.
Joe mode helps slightly. Also turned of the dings for ACC. Only Autopilot now dings at me.
We need Chinese evs if the masses are to get one 😊
maybe some Russian firmware hackers can fix the problems like they did for my Canon camera.
Im looking forward to test the MG4 - new platform, and competitive pricing 😅
No wonder stock dropping like hot rock
The car sounds at the beginning of this video reminds me of the Jackie Chan car in Cannonball Run: ua-cam.com/video/6634oSEHk-E/v-deo.html
Nio cars don’t make that much sound. So they’re copying the Europeans? Seems that either way the Chinese are at fault. Not happy.
Probably there is more people that like chimes than don't, as this is made for Chinese. Is not a problem, but adaptation to other markets is a must in this case, or at least give the options to deactivate them. One thing for sure is Bjorn don't like them.
I don't think most chinese people like that sound, but probably won't notice that as much. As an automotive electronic engineer, I have discussed this issue with my collegue, I think at least we can offer some options to mute it.
@@yzchen6758 is not an issue or problem. Is matter of taste and I've never seen a complaint in any Chinese EV car review lately.
@@valanz_ Yeah, but still better to have a switch to turn it off. I have no idea why they designed the sound effect that way, android phones from china doesn't have that awful taste in notification sound choice, so I think it's not the prefrence of most chinese people.
the bottom of the door is too pointy someone could get stabbed :P
It schould be "The problem with chinese cars and volkswagen" ;-)
These sounds are simply a total no-go. Car has declassified itself already. And then on top the slow charging.... They need to do their homework again... Disaster car, especially because of the price.
And then these super annoying doors... WTF.
haha I would never pay 100 K for those, but then again you dont have to get the doors thankfully :)
Bejorn, just start reviewing Ariya already, no need to waste time on a 2 year old model.
Maybe they dont do their own development... maybe they contracted that to some engineering company... thats why it hasnt changed at all
This car would drive me crazy...shut up !!!!!... After a few days I get my hammer out the garage...
lcc deactivated, shieeet! that ding-dong party is even worse than my BJEV EU5 R550, which is annoying enough saying the name.
When your software is based on an ancient version of stolen Tesla software...
Veel harde rijgeluiden in de auto. Dat elk knopje wat je indrukt geluid maakt, haalt de hele auto erg naar beneden. Erg jammer. Niets voor Nederland.
Personally, the software or auto driving is the last thing I care for in an EV. The hardware such as chassis, suspension, fit and finish are the things that can’t be changed after purchase and they have to be good.
I agree. I think there is too much attention paid to software with EVs. It shouldn't be a hindrance but the primary part of a car is the chassis/suspension and build quality. The software is frosting on the cake, not the cake.
"The problem with Chinese cars" and the video is 52 minutes long... That's way too long... Anyone willing to explain what it is about?