Dr. White Tells Mormon That He's Wrong
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- Опубліковано 2 вер 2018
- Jeff Durbin and James White tell mormon Kwaku El why he is wrong. You can get more at apologiastudios.com. Be sure to like, share, and comment on this video.
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Which changed version of the word do u lawless pagans use to push your will as gods on men? U can't even keep the basic commandments and set your selves up as gods to have men bow to your devils!!! U r no judge of the Hebrew faith to teach any if it's precepts!!! U r the synagogue of satan, the blind leading the blind led by the blind!!! I won't guide you, you can die in your ways, as the law dictates for liars!! The Mormons are the prophecied Ephraim and Israel is the prophecied Judah and they need to be intertwined through authority, as prophecied by a son of David as their mediator to correct their paths and bring the law in this dispensation to it's fullness. The rest of you are just shit left over from 2000 years of corrupting truth!! You know two prophecies of hundreds and u call yourselves prophets and gods above the will of HaShem!!! I died because of you!!! You will suffer that death if I judge it is the only way to save your children!!! Jebus never saved you, u obey each other's partial teachings and lies. You practice two of thousands of precepts!! Your god is men!!
@Titus Robertson won't break mine to burn you in perdition for thousands of years
@cindybin2001Amen to your words!
These two vipers usually pick the young and unprepared, and then try to overwhelm them with the scriptures they have rehearsed to impress their audience. They would never do this with someone who's experienced and prepared with reasons they believe the way they do. I'm sure if they come up with someone who can answer their rehearsed scriptural pomposity then they would edit them or just not show it.
I liken these two to modern day Pharisees. Unwilling to allow God out of the confines of the bible.
Even if Christ Himself came today and introduced doctrine not covered in the confines of the bible they would reject it because it isn't in the bible. And even in the confines of the bible they interpret the bible according to their agenda not according to what is actually true. God isn't confined by man's limitations on Him. In all actuality we know relatively very little about Him who governs all things.
Matt13:11
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
What would all those Mysteries of the kingdom of heaven be?
Is all to be known about God confined in the canon we call the bible? We know the answer to that since the bible speaks many times of the mysteries of God.
So how can anyone cut down anothers doctrine because very little is said about it in the bible.
Isa55:8-9
8 ¶ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
God is the Giver of all truth, and to trust man's interpretation of any scripture is foolishness.
All people who worship, Desire to worship the true and living God.
So why not allow all men the same privilege let them worship how where or what they may.
This is why I go back to the advice of Gamaliel in Acts5:38-39.
SelfAccountable you’re joking right? I guess you’re just worshipping the devil and professing to be a Christian, I’ve already seen Jeff use the devil horns multiple times and have pictures, so live in your self-denial all you want, you’ll be judged at the end of everything and be cast away
Let him go. He has heard the truth and has rejected it. God is clear on this: many will be called but few will follow truth. No reason to beat him over the head with repetition.
Exactly GB USA. There is no use witnessing to someone like that. "Don't cast pearls before swine". We are encouraged to give an answer for the hope that we have, but not to those who have no desire to hear it. Paul reasoned many times with people; some believed, some didn't. But he never said, just pray and then see if there's a burning in your bosom. Psychological trickery.
Yeah he has no interest in hearing the truth or anything that contradicts what he believes, he’s very closed minded.
Yes let Dr White go off and Nash his truth and the moderator resighn for interfearing
@@bryanm64 let Dr White do his rebutal. Let the other guy shut up.
This is spiritual blindness at its full height and depth ladies and gentlemen.
Unpopular Opinion you know I would say it is willful ignorance.
Sadly, yes
You mean the part where James White acted completely blind to the evidence of the Egyptian god, Ra, claiming to be the creator of all things is nothing different than his God, El?
@@shuai83 where is Ra these days?
Haven't seen him around lately
@@kathyheavner3585 He's hanging out with El and Yahweh in the land of make believe... ya gotta believe to see him! Repeat this phrase "open the eyes of my heart lord... open the eyes of my heart. I wanna see you. I wanna see you" until you reach trance like hypnosis... then you'll see Ra and probably Yahweh too!
So Kwaku doesn't believe the biblical text is literal and then argues that the Egyptian God is example is literal? You cannot make this stuff up.
Not all of the scripture is literal! His point is if you read ancient texts, they have similar writing styles. If you study Ugartic, Canaanite, and Mesopotamian texts, there are similarities with the Old Testament texts. He’s using scholarship.
What’s more confusing is that he’s using agnostic thought to prove his points. Strange indeed. For example, almost all religious people, ancient and modern, will write and sing that that their god is the greatest. It makes sense right. So this Mormon guy is applying this to the Old Testament prophets. King David writes in the Psalms, “there is no one like you!” But other kings from other lands would say the same thing about their gods. So...... who’s right? The agnostic would say they are all wrong. Dr. White makes a distinction about the god of the Bible not being created. As if that really matters. In the eyes of an agnostic, the originator of the god of the Bible made that god have no creational origin. One says they were born from a seed, one from cosmic milk. Another from the dead carcass of another deity. One says here god was never created. But again, they are all stories. This Mormon was dipping into the agnostics bags of tricks. Once again, confusing.
@@Keliiyamashita yeah absolutely with you on literal context. This biblical text is literal and pretty sure there isn't any wriggle room here to argue when looking at the original Hebrew. Right?
He uses these other texts to support that other gods also used infinite existence. In both examples there is no explanation the original language so it's a weak point in any event but let's pray the holy spirit can show him the truth.
Not to mention Ra is the son of Nut (sky goddess) who was created out of the thoughts of Ptah (a primordial demiurge god)... so unless Ra created his own grandfather and mother, Ra isn't even the creator of all things according to the Egyptians themselves... :-\ But Egyptian mythology changed so much based on who's local area was in power and what god was primarily worshiped there. Whereas, the Israelites didn't have such quibbles/issues... "My YHWH is more powerful than... Your YHWH?"
This isn't to say that Ra didn't BECOME the supreme powerful god in Egyptian mythology, but he certainly didn't start that way... maybe some cults thought of him in such a way, but they'd have to deny what was previously said about Ra in order to rectify what they believe... hey... that sounds precisely like what Kwaku was doing... Hmmm...
I think the point that James White and Jeff Durbin may have been trying to make is that even if the Egyptian or Canaanite or whatever ancient near eastern religion you look to make claims or use phrases similar to the Bible, that doesn't mean those claims are compatible with each respective religion (i.e. gods created or coming to being while the rest of the universe/creation is already here are quite different than YHWY). The case of Ra is easily refuted by what I brought up, above. I'm sure James White has done more research than I have (or Kwaku has), given his level of scholarship. However, even my cursory understanding of the topic makes me pretty sure of Kwaku's bias.
P.S. I don't think Kwaku was taking the Egyptian texts as literal. I believe his point was "phrases like that were the 'in' thing to say, back then, about your god(s). However, that didn't mean that it WAS literal, in terms of how we English speakers understand such statements." He was arguing against the literal interpretation of the Bible, for that passage, because the Egyptian texts aren't to be taken literally, but I think he got lost in trying to disagree with everything James and Jeff had to say. smh
@@TheMe0wsCat :)
Bradley, I am not a fan Kwaku but he did not argue that the Egyptian verse about Ra was literal.
He argued that both the Isaiah verse and the Ra verse are poetic "smack talk".
I disagree with him, but let's not put words into his mouth.
What a sad example of how a cult can close the ears, eyes, and minds of its members. Kwaku is a lost soul. Dear God please open their eyes so that they can see your glory.
The young man is a lot closser to the truth than these other two phonies.
@@uncatila nope. Hes farther
@@uncatila You need to study the early Mormon church history. Joseph Smith was a con man, a liar, a fraud, a racists, an occultist and a sexual predator.
@@phoenixarcher7383 *no, he is even further from the truth
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@@UrMomsFavSnack no, your the one further from the truth
That young mormon is fullllllllll of pride!
work salvation at its finest? i duno lol
That young Mormon rocks.
He's not a girl like the other 2 guys.
@@uncatila Geese man. way to represent mormonism
@@nebulicdisaster3351 mormonism has theological problembs but it is a hybrid spin off of a deeper form of unbelief
It's a religion based on pride, imagine being so prideful that you believe through works you get to be a God lol.
A black Mormon , does he knows what Mormons think about the color of skin or Cain curse .
That curs was colored greatly in gods er not gods Talmud.
Doctor white sitting and chilling for the vid.
obadiah7771 he check out and had enough of this kid.
Actually, Jeff Durbin I believe was supposed to be the moderator of this debate. Certainly, all of the info provided by Dr. White and Durbin is excellent, but I am disappointed that Jeff Durbin departed from his role as moderator. What Durbin contributed is excellent, but Dr. White is fully capable of debating anyone in a fair and scholarly fashion. Again, I believe what Durbin stated is all correct. It's just that it was unfair of Durbin to abandon his role as moderator.
Wow!! Prayers for all Mormon. Very lost 🙏🏽
You watching better call Saul? Asking because I saw your picture
prayers for mormons?? Try prayers for all people worldwide, the state of mankind is sad indeed
@cindybin2001 Yes we should pray for those who are going to hell. This man is going to hell if he dies believing the lies he does. He will never be like God, neither will you. You are of the Devil and seek after the devil's will.
Your father the devil: "'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'" Isaiah 14:14
Ottis, Mormons have living prophet where Christ can talk to them. But they dont. Now who is lost?
Didn't you see the prophet is more important than the bible.
Which one is first? The Bible or the prophet?
@Hubris
Jesus Christ has revealed the truth, and restored His church through the young farmer boy, Joseph Smith.
Kwaku isn't even listening to try to understand the point that Jeff is trying to make.
Misty Tarlton yeah it’s really frustrating on how much he interrupts throughout the entire 2 hours of the debate. 🙄
Should have a different Mormon instead of Kwaku he is not paying attention just going with his feelings and opinions.
Shown multiple Scriptures showing that the God of the Bible is the only, uncreated God from all eternity past. Responds by appealing to pagan beliefs in an attempt to disprove the book he claims to believe in (a book which outrightly condemns all forms of paganism).
No falsely falsely falsely tries to appeal to sign he doesn't know about pagan beliefs which are equally as much as the biblical text when he break one if not more so. Which is funny because I've heard other Moe's say that the idea of a God as he is as Eternal and uncreated which was what a God is is from Pagan beliefs which is amazingly hilarious because that is true but it also refutes what this idiot the saying which contradicts witches are and are lying and lying the truth is that God/Gods uncreated and eternal and least and so on is both Pagans of the area and Hebraics biblical so. And I'll just put the softly without going hard they're the same both but I stated.
This apostate Satanist kid who doesn't know anything of anything who can't read Internet articles even superficially correctly but now he has a twisted.
The patience you guys have is admirable
When witnessing to Mormons I usually begin with Genesis in the garden of eden where God tells Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I then take them to the very next chapter where Satan comes and speaks to Eve and Eve tells the serpent that God said not to eat of that tree for the day they do they will surely die. And then i ask them, what did the serpent respond? And I have them read where the serpent answers "you shall not die". And I say. So what did God say and what did Satan say? God said, you shall surely die (Gen 2:18) yet Satan said "you shall surely not die" (Gen 3:4).
And I ask them, what is that called what Satan did there? God said yes you shall surely die and Satan said no you surely wont die? What is that called?
A contradiction.
And then i say, from here on out, that has been the devil's plan: to contradict God's word. And Satan wants ppl not to trust God's word. He wants them to trust his word.
And that's exactly what you see in mormonism. You see them not trusting God's word, but Satan's word which is a fabrication of God's word.
And that's also exactly what every other religion/cult/belief system that has their own book does. They contradict God's word.
Modern Vintage Lifestyles Love this point!! Thank you for sharing!
preach it brotha. Stay strong in the faith, God is going to complete in you the work he began (Phillipians 1:6)
Very well said. I want to remember that next time I talk to mormon!
Wow, that is such a terrible argument. For example, it can prove Islam is true, and you’re just not trusting Gods word (as revealed in the holy Quran). See how that works? Might as well just say, “I assert that I’m correct, therefore you’re wrong.”
@@Applest2oApples Islam and the Koran is not God's word though. So no, that's not an argument that can be used for Islam or any other religion.
J-Dubs laying it down!
Long live apologetics on UA-cam!
This is so tragically painful. This young man is so prideful. He is blind to his ignorance of so many deep biblical theological topics. He knows “soundbite” theology, but has no true understanding of the topics being discussed.
Sad to say, but this is the product of the LDS system. I struggle with the same issues with my entire family.
Only God can change their hearts to make them see the Truth. I pray He does!
Awesome job Jeff and Dr. White!!
That was painful to watch but gracefully handled!
9:14
"2 men who have studied far more extensively", "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools".
Excruciating is the word I'd use.
We need to pray for kwaku that one day he can be saved and regenerated by the Holy Spirit
The mormon hasn't commited the unforgivable sin that the other two have
@@uncatila Boy, you are really brainwashed. Time to think for yourself instead of the old, senile, racists Mormon leaders. Stop being a puppet to the cult Mormon Church.
don't worry ... he's saved.
@@grayman7208 Not even. He will burn
@@markkrispin6944 complete nonsense.
"The person that can give serious testimony as to believing scripture,is not the person that seeks to get around the text,but the person that seeks to be founded upon the text."
Protestant proof texts are pretexts.
I love this video. Thank you, Dr. James White.
Im a Christian & I appreciate a lot of what Dr. White does. I'm in a extensive time of witnessing & sowing seed & watering the true Gospel to 3 mormons right now. I totally disagree with mormonism but one thing I must say, @ the 2 hour mark the conversation is about predestination, on this point I disagree with Dr. Whites perspective concerning predestination. In the book of Romans it says we are predestined "to be conformed to the image of Christ", this doesn't mean the holocaust was predestined by God, holocaust was foreknown by God, & man Is a free will being & man carried it out but it wasn't preplanned/predestined by God, neither was any other utterly detestable sin you can name including sex trafficking & all the others. God is able to use the sins committed by mans free will & satans manipulation to lead a person to a place of ripe & willing submission to him and then the person still has to choose to reach out & receive the free gift. Even the hardening of pharaohs heart was after he continued to harden his own heart multiple times, God only hardened his heart after he continued to harden his own. God knew by foreknowledge that pharaoh would harden his heart. God didnt predestine child molestation but he knew it would come into the world through mans free will choice of disobeying him.
God declares the END from the begining, that doesnt mean that he plans the evil in between, it only means that the evil in between wont stop his ultimate goal from being accomplished.
It seems to me like Kwaku is unwilling to admit that he is wrong on anything. He always changes the subject or claims he was "misunderstood" when he's proven wrong.
I agree but they are so far apart on what they believe, there will never be anything they will agree on. Mormonism is a cult.
Hypocrite you won't admit that Calvinism is wrong and not Christian. I'm not Mormon i'm a true born again Christian an unworthy servant to the Lord Jesus Christ. But James White and Jeff are not born again Christians. Use your discernment and read the word of God. They don;t even teach turning away from your sins. Jesus himself said repent or perish. They would rather listen to men like John Calvin then Jesus Christ. It's sad you think that's real Christianity. Oh i promise you it;s so much more then that and you will be so happy when you really come to know Christ. Noway you know Christ and think these men are Christians.
Yes he's the champion of gaslighting and goal posting shifting and ad homonyms.
Clearly he wasn’t really ready for this dr White and Jeff know the truth Kwaku doesn’t he never showed anything to back up what he is talking about.
Wow ? Such disrespect . The kid doesn't know what humble is. I think he has the spirit of disension.
I've tried for many years to convince my mother in law to come out of Mormonism.......like quaku. She's right. God is wrong. Joseph Smith will greet her at the gates of heaven she says. Soooooo sad
More like the gates of Hell.
The young man from 3 Mormons couldnt see that he never used the Bible to prove Joseph Smith, like the Scriptures say to do. Or the absolute contradicitons of his interpretation of the Scriptures. He tried to use ancient context to discredit the very thing that he said he believed in too. Extremely convenient.
Fallon JohnsonAgreed, because it is not Gods word he is using.
Fallon Johnson Nimrod would have loved you Mormons.
@@graysonlopez3030 im not a mormon sir.
Yes, and i can't believe he thinks its ok to use ancient pagan context for defining what scripture means smh He's just following his master John Smith whom used the Egyption scroll and made up stories. Im guessing thats why he thinks its ok. Smh
Ye are gods, you children of the most high and I can make you fall like me!!! You are all under severe judgement for preverting the Hebrew faith and u will pay!!! Judgement day is well into play!!! This is not a fucking game!! U r lawless as your savior testified of you and I am not forgiving you and 7 times 70 is gone!!! Time to know the ancient way!!!
It's nice to see a young Mormon (oops, sorry Mr Nelson) who holds firm to Mormon (sorry again) doctrine. Good on Jeff and Dr. White for the extreme patience with such a snide millennial. .
Dr White desperately trying to take specks out of other peoples eyes
He relies on his interpretation of ancient cultures to apply to ancient Israel (when God specifically set them apart to be different) as his lens. I wonder what Kwaku's argument would be if he hypothetically set aside that idea to be wrong and what the logical conclusion would be.
I wish they would have asked him that.
I Love my guy Marcus Pitman but also wanted to give a shout out to whoever is managing the channel, you are doing a great job!!!
Pride makes him refuse the truth.he goes by feelings,not facts,not evidence
Dr. White is amazing! Love learning from this brother.
Dr White is hell bound
@@uncatila And so are you Patrick. Shut up you troll.
He is NOT amazing ! He believes that God is behind all the evils of our world. He is a Calvinist. He teaches that murders, rapes and all serious crimes were predestined by God to happen. He believes that we human beings do not have a free will. God predestines us to do evil and then He holds us accountable for the bad things that He has made us do.
Kwaku argues that “eternity from eternity” does not literally mean all of eternity, and that we’re wrong for assuming so, but then he does not say what it actually means
PROTESTANTS are the biggest Pontificators of all time.
I noticed this Mormon tactic. They not only reject sufficiency but the infallibility of scripture however they try to hide the second part.
Do you have an office in U.K, if so, I'm joining Apologia Studios :D ... bless you channel guys :D
Wow.. When a morman has to reference Egyptian religion to try and give credit to their false religion..
I love the mormons. They are way nicer than crewel and wicked Dr White.
@@uncatila ask them for all their money. ur welcome
That's utter desperation he's doing antithesis to his own Creek and cold even worse than regular Christianity needs Christianity to survive Bae uses things outside of it that is against Christianity that is better theology that is alien to both Far Far So and recent more dishonest.
@@uncatilaWhat a pathetic commrnt.
I pray that God bestows mercy and grace on Kwaku if it is His will, and leads him to turn from his denial of the true God, the true Christ, and the true Bible. I have spoken to mormons before, and i give them credit for their zeal. I pray that God would turn them from their denial of the truth, give them eyes to see and ears to hear the truth, and would help them to use that zeal for His glory. In Jesus' name, amen.
BenNocella: Kwaku hasn't turned from God, Jesus, or the Bible. What makes you think that? Why is it that Dr. White and Pastor Jeff have to gang up on him?
I also pray that God saves you from whatever it is that you believe and leads you to His truth so you can be granted repentance and faith in Him and His son. In Jesus' name, amen.
what makes me think what?
@@BenNocella your prayers can't save you
no they cannot but Jesus Christ CAN save you if you repent of your sin and denial of His Lordship and ask Him to be your Savior and Lord. I pray that you do that in Jesus' name, amen.
I wish Dr. White would have focused less on comparisons of age / time spent researching, and more on the content of the arguments.
But that would make him look like the phony jackass he is.
Well unfortunately when dealing with his kid the points can't matter cuz you got to go to the menial quick before you go back to the main points. This kid is high level gaslighter and derailer and cherry picker.
I don’t think he did focus on that very much. He made one statement about it, and probably in response to Kwaku’s snark.
Good debate cant wait for more.
they gave him a really nice bible , where can I purchase one ? PLease link me any info . Also, great conversation!
This kid reminds me of myself... but I listen when wisdom is spoken.
@Loonytoones85 his fade fresh tho
hahah... you right, and no I would never want that hair cut! I got waves.
its coo... I guess
Loonytoones85 nah bro, it’s much more cleaner with just a low fade and some waves... it’s simpler.
@@darrylwills1062 simple is more. Waves 🌊 + fade = girls digits haha
1 Corinthians 4:6 KJV
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
In all honesty, I comment the fella that came onto a show to debate against two Christians, at least he had the conviction to do so.
However, it was great to see a more direct conversation to see more of Mormon doctrine.
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Great debate.
This is a very contentious conversation. But I appreciate the points. Love you Kwaku! Don't ever feel ashamed for defending your beliefs. I wish we could all just get along. Love your neighbor right?(:
Can't love him because he's deceived because love him but not his views his views are full of Darkness and Show Your Love Pam by saving him from this evil.
This young chap is brainwashed. He is delusional. Poor thing. Hope he wakes up
Watching Dr. White get comfortable and then speak is hilarious to me. Because he had time to think about every single thing that he was about to say. And then he drops a BOMB. I love this guy😂
I also like Dr. White as a personality in general. He does turn me off when he starts speaking in Greek, or uses his age as if that strengthens his arguments. I've seen a lot of his material, and over the years he consistently misrepresents or misunderstands the Mormon perspective.
Mormons and traditional creedal Christianity differ in our beliefs of the creation. Mormons do not believe that the creation came from nothing. That is impossible since matter can not be created or destroyed. We don't believe God was created, or that He was derived from the creation as Dr. White claimed around the 11:00 minute mark.. We believe God has always been. We also believe that when God created, it is to be understood that He formed, and organized matter. He did not create matter out of nothing. Matter also has always been. Dr. White argues that God pre-exists matter, and Mormons would say, that is impossible since matter can not be created from nothing, therefore it has always been. God is the same age as matter - without beginning or end.
I don't want to throw a wrench in, or confuse the argument, but another truth that seems it must be said at this point is that God is also made of matter. There is no such thing as immateriality. Matter is the only thing that exists. The absence of matter is space or nothingness. Mormons would say Dr. White believes in a God of nothing - which isn't that far from what a lot of Christians say themselves. A genderless God, without body, without passion, without parts, without form. They basically describe nothing, and then assign that description to God.
Dr. White is just following the Nicene, Athanasian, and Apostles creeds - which he uses to incorrectly interpret the bible. Thanks for reading, hopefully I didn't offend too much, which of course is always a risk.
I don't see how they can reconcile "have no other gods before me". It's simple.
That’s the definition of twisting scripture. I love how Kwaku asks “What does eternity mean?” You have to be kidding me.
My heart aches for members of the Mormon church. They follow a wolf in sheep’s clothing
Is that why mormons are way more charitable than bible thumpers are?
@@uncatila Wow, boastful aren’t we? You’re using how charitable the Mormon church is to defend your argument? How does that prove that the Mormon church is true? I pray for you all. I’d rather have a pastor preach the TRUE word of God and true gospel while raising his voice and “Bible thumping” (which you think disproves the Bible) than a bishop being soft spoken, preaching a false gospel in a “The church is true because I had a burning in my bosom and I had a amazing experience last week, I prayed about this and that so the church must be true” sacrament meeting every week.
@@uncatila If you want to talk charitable, what’s more charitable than what Mormons do is us Christians spreading the true Gospel. That’s love right there and demolishes every work your church has ever done.
Very interesting…You have two presuppositionalists using evidentialist apologetics to convince a Mormon that his position is false.
Maybe it’s just me but all the mormons I have seen or talked to always have a big smile. No one is that happy all the time.
It’s an act. I was baptized as a Mormon and they’re under a lot of pressure from the church.
They’re one of the happiest and friendliest people you’ll ever meet in your life. It’s the pressure on them.
@@kimberlyr5858pressured facade. Pray for thrm.💔🙏
Jeff is an excellent apologist because of his loving manner. Articulation, and knowledge
I came away thinking the same thing. He really grasps with his arguments but his demeanor is worthy to emulate. I have always felt akin to Mormons even if I think they worship a different Jesus then I do and I think they follow a false religion. I think they love God nonetheless.
April D: You mean the way Dr. White and pastor Jeff ganged up on him?
How do you love a god who had sex with his own spirit daughter Mary to conceive Jesus and then had sex with another woman to have Lucifer, making Jesus and Lucifer half brothers, unless it was Mary again?
David Burns I listened to the entire debate and I didn’t at any point see Jeff gang up on him. I’m not confusing Jeff’s approach with Dr White’s approach. I’m merely speaking about Jeff. What I notice with him is that he doesn’t talk over people and he listens and responds to what he hears the other person says. This is how he gets people to listen to him. It is a gifted skill that many do not have including Dr White nor kwaku.
April D: Proper debates follow a certain pattern. Each person or team is given a certain amount of time. Then the other person or team is allowed the same amount of time to respond. It continues that way until the debate is finished. Dr. White's comments were an interruption to the debate. Kuwaku did not have anyone else to present the case. He was interupted and had to debate two instead of one.
Eternity doesn't mean eternity? Kwaku you need to study, open your heart and mind to truth.
The irony:
He attempted to use Webster's dictionary to appeal to the definition of "person" and "being" but never once did for that word or "spirit."
Eternity is now!! It is always here, u r not a soul to recognize it!! U don't go to heaven it is always within, if u don't know this perdition will have one more soul no matter how many seals u make in a "temple"!! Probation does not change your nature, false teachings do!!
Eternity is not a never ending stretch of time but rather is an existence outside of the constraints of time. Thus when there was an existence of God when He was inside the constraints of time He was not God, but ever since He progressed to a existence outside of time He has always been God. It's a difficult concept for people to grasp, especially if they don't understand the nature and patterns of God.
But that means God has a beginning. He began to be God when he went outside time. Not to mention, the only eternal things in Latter Day Saint theology are intelligences and matter. They preexisted without ever having been created.
No! This means that, like God, we did not have a beginning either. We are not ex nihilo created beings. Our bodies were formed from the dust of the Earth, the Earth was formed from eternally existence elements. Our spirits were formed from the spiritual material the spiritual world was formed from and the spiritual world was formed from eternally existent spiritual elements. thus no matter how from back in our formation you go we were always existent in one form or another. the process of our "creation" as mentioned in the scripture is that God provided the pattern and process and aid as to how eternal elements con combine to make spirits and bodies that eventually become a self existent eternally perfect spirit and resurrected immortal body, just as Jesus Christ was the example for us to follow. God's title as God may have had a beginning, but God as the elements that make up His being had no beginning. and if you go even deeper than that you could ask what are those inteligences and elemental matter. They are the yin and yang of energy they are that which acts and that which is acted upon. they are the elements that make up both material things as will as the information embedded withing those things. In short intelligence is the eternal laws of Godliness and the matter is the storage for that information to be put to use.
Our spirit and our body are nothing more than a collection of eternally existent particles all embedded with the eternal laws of Godliness in such a manner that they all work together to collectively achieve a more exalted degree of existence than the they could have attained separately. This is an underlying theme in the gospel of Christ, that we must all work together in harmony that all may be edified and uplifted together. Christ personified this pattern when He took upon Himself the responsibility of all of us and that is what exalted Him to the status of He is at now, which essentially is equality with the Father. The Father has achieved the highest degree of unity and harmony and obedience to eternal laws possible, and in doing so has perfectly embodied what it means to be godly, which means He now is 'self' existent. God relies on no other entity for His glory or power or salvation or progression. Through His agency He, as a collection of eternally existent particles, has learned how to perfectly obey and embody all eternal laws without fail, and this is what makes the collection of eternally existent particles 'self' existent. Jesus understood this completely and in subjecting Himself to those perfect eternal laws likewise became a self existent God like unto the Father and that is what it means to be one, in perfect harmony such that not one particle is out of step, or out of obedience to those eternal laws.
5:40 welp you heard it here first folks. Eternity doesnt actually mean eternity. Its pretty ambiguous. Funny how hard hes trying to make the bible conform to mormon doctrine yet at the end of this interview he slams the bible because of the talking serpent in genesis. Just admit you don't care what the bible says.
It's extraordinary how brainwashed a Mormon can be.
Oooooooh boy they're going to carve out 20 videos from this one livestream aren't they?
So that is easier for people to watch the important moments. Yes. Absolutely. :)
Very sad. When mormons come face to face with truth, like in this video, they reject it immediately and say that we have incorrectly interpreted the Bible. I think that these kinds of clips demonstrate that salvation can only come from God alone. God knows those who are His. #Calvinism
Loch Fred
Yea, it's too bad that people couldn't read the Bible in it's obviously correct way until the 16th century, albeit by a rich man who wanted an excuse to show why the poor are going to hell, so that he didn't have to give charity with his money.
I mean, it's not like Calvinism relies upon taking poorly interpreted verses (whose concepts are separated from the Greek text), and completely ignoring those passages that contradict it as "descriptive", and therefore not mattering in what they clearly say...
Such a shame.
Pray they be freed from Mind Control and Religious Pride. Those are the 2 main demonic strongholds in Salt Lake City, the headquarters of the Mormons.
Miss Kim I'm moving out to Utah soon I pray the Lord Yahweh uses me to speak real simple humble Loving Truth to anyone and everyone The Holy Spirit moves me to speak with. I pray I can be a righteous vessel for the Lord Jesus and his will and purpose - Amen
Loonytoones85
You misinterpreted what I said. I believe the Bible is the word of God. I'm saying that the Calvinists misinterpret the Bible, especially when the Greek text is taken into consideration.
Just about all of their misinterpretations can be summed up as not taking into account the tense of the Greek verbs in those respective verses.
Also, the misinterpretation of scripture from them is also shown when they have to preform eisegesis when the text (either in Greek or any language for that matter) is clearly going against the very principals of TULIP.
Gapkid5 My encouragement to you is to stay in the truth and to not move an inch from what the true Bible says. Blessings to you
This guy is so blinded this Quaker whatever his name is he's so blinded it's sickening and he just he's stubborn he doesn't want to know the actual truth he"s so close-minded
Complete sentence are very hard to make. I recommend making them complete so your point can be respected more.
Here's my translation/interpretation:
"This guy is so [blind]. [T]his [Kwaku] [or] what ever his name is. [H]e's so [blind] it's sickening and he's just [so] stubborn. He doesn't want to know the actual truth. He's so close[d] minded."
How about that? :)
@cindybin2001 the problem is your Worship in a fake Jesus that's the truth, everything the Pastor Jeff said and also dr. White said is the truth straight from the Bible you guys are going to find out the hard way okay Jesus and God make Jesus Is God just so you know it's at the three and one they created everything everything including the devil who used to be Lucifer, they're not Brothers he created him this quakoo guy or whatever his name is he okay Mormons deny the real actual truth of Jesus you believe Joseph Smith over Jesus himself in Jesus is the truth you guys are Worship in a cult and you don't you don't even know it
@cindybin2001 and that's where you're wrong Dr White and Pastor Jeff Durbin also they definitely know what Mormonism so about they do get it and what you don't you're the one that doesn't get it you and this this Mormon guy on here they don't you guys don't get it cuz you're lost you guys are so blind and deceived to see what does Colt that pretends to be something special when it's not because it's not preaching the truth it is not preaching the truth at all the preaching into a cold your Worship in a false Jesus you're not worth going to Jesus of the Bible I can guarantee it you obviously didn't listen to the video you listen to what the Mormon guy said but you didn't even pay attention to what Jeff Pastor Jeff and dr. White said there preaching right from the truth of Jesus the truth the real truth
@cindybin2001 I got news for you this might be is a news flash for you because you don't know me, my sister my sister and brother-in-law were Mormons for like 25 to 30 years okay to live in California and the only difference with that is there they're cooler out there but anyways, they were Mormons for 25 to 30 years and then they got saved Born Again saved the Bible makes it really clear you must be born again to inherit his kingdom you worship the wrong Jesus you don't worship the Jews of the Bible it's obvious clearly obvious, that you did not pay attention to the video and for your information, I know a lot about Mormonism trust me my sister was Mormon for 30 years until she got saved and born again and so did my brother-in-law so I know enough to know it is not of God it is not not at all it denies it totally different Theology and if it does not the Bible alone is the word of God I'm going to find out the hard way when you're burning in hell
1 kid vs 2 professionals
Ooh he is getting mad.
You guys were too nice to him! But most likely because you guys want him back. This kid has a blind confidence in protecting the ever changing mormon faith, he's like moving the goal posts and not even answering any question directly. He's good at dodging questions and speaking persuasive. The mormons are probably going to deem him a hero now smh
@Loonytoones85 true! Lol i hate the way he avoided all the questions lol he's good at dodging questions
I've spoken to mormons a few times and they always avoided the tough questions. They're programmed to stay on script and not answer anything and they're brainwashed to believe texts that are proven to be made up. They don't question anything they're taught 😐
@Charlie Nava tough questions as far as Mormon doctrine is concerned vs the Bible. Like Isaiah 43:10-11 or Coloassians 1:15
A tougher question is on a clear contradiction from Joseph Smith in Doctrine and Covenants 130:22 where he says God the Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangle as man's. But we know in John 4:21-24, Jesus discredits that claim about God the Father that he is (according to King James Bible which works for the sake of this argument too) "a spirit." Spirits are not material beings. In fact, in Luke 24:35-39, we see Jesus appearing to his disciples. They freak out. Jesus responds by saying, "“Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for *a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have*.”
So we now have a truth claim by the Lord Jesus Christ regarding what a spirit does not have: flesh and bones. It's Jesus' words against Joseph Smith's words. Jesus wins 100% of the time.
Beyond Peril it I’m sure YOU weren’t indoctrinated and came up with all your opinions about various passages of scripture totally independently, right?
had a mormon ad before this video. thought that was interesting.
Let the man speak!! If he is wrong, let him reveal his error.
Watching this debate/discussion makes my blood boil I have disingenuous the LDS individual is and how he pretends that he has a love for the truth.
Anyone that has a love for the truth and believes they really have the troop or not intimidated by those who challenge it.
I feel bad for this young man, he walked into a staged den of vipers. When witnessing to pagan protestants, a testimony of two should be followed.
Listening to these guys I am reminded why I escaped protestantism. Now I know that I am saved by Jesus. Now I understand what the Prophets and Apostles were talking about opening up the windows of Grace, salvation and Eternal life through Jesus Christ and His church upon our fallen world. Now I know that the false non biblical, un-Apostolic definition of the nature of God is the Nicene Creed. The fictitious fantasy of an ethereal, formless, genderless, immaterial God is incompatible with holy writ. When listening to protestants defend their views on what God is, I am reminded of what Paul read regarding the inscription on an altar in Athens at Mars Hill , 'To the Unknown God". Growing up a Methodist and having Baptist friends, an unknown God is all that is known on the nature of God. Among protestants in my personal experience, I haven't known of a more consistent bunch of self righteous, judgement declaring, damning sensationalists, follow the leader, hypocritical followers. All these so called "lovingly witnesses to", charades do nothing more than give food and fodder to the agnostics ,atheists and the endless variety of secularists to spread their cause while you piously shred and devour any common ground between the sundry Christian faiths. Among protestants, there is no unity of faith, no "one baptism", (some of the protestant sects don't even believe in baptism as essential let alone perform it the same), no perfecting of the saints. You all repetitively proclaim the scriptures are easily understood, clear, perfect without error and complete yet there is at least 30 thousand different versions of you all worshipping with little in common. Protestants love showing their sanctimonious relationship with the Bible declaring "the Bible says!!" Yet i see churches all across America who claim to take every single precept from The Holy Bible fill their marquee boards with unbiblical church names, or names after saints or prophets. Isn't it Jesus Christ's church? Shouldn't it be named after the master and author of the Gospel and our salvation?
Protestants have no structure, no authority and no priesthood. But declare they will dividing and conquering all of Christianity wearing sheep's clothing.
How do the protestants define the Bible to be complete? How many references to lost scriptures are there in the Bible that the Catholics put together? Hint: several. Can't add or take away from the Bible? Protestants already did away with Deuterocanonical books. If there is one branch of Christianity that walked closer to that line of idolatry, it would be these protestants, seemingly worshipping the Bible, Biblia-dolatry. The Bible says this and the Bible says that. Don't pay any mind that it's actually written by Prophets and Apostles, individuals, as moved upon by the Holy Ghost to teach a specific audience. Protestants, not anyone inspired within the Bible that declared holy writ closed and that God's word to his children is finished. Protestants, self appointed representatives of God , are modern day doctrinal defining Sadducees.
I will continue to witness to protestants and thank my Heavenly Father for breaking me loose from the clutches of modern day, watered down Christainity. Calling me and leading me to His Holy Son and saving me From a brand of Christianity that doesn't know what the correct nature of God is, or what our relationship is to our Father in Heaven and what He has planned for us as Co-inheritors with Christ who created all, even worlds without number.
Just saying... Your making a lot of negative judgments on a group of people for being negatively judgmental... just saying.
The Bible has quite different things to say about priesthood. First, the Aaronic priesthood was limited to Jewish male members from the tribe of Levi who were descendants from Aaron (Ex. 28:1; Num. 3:5-13; Heb. 7:5). The priesthood was inherited by descent from Aaron, not received through ordination. It was never supposed to be practiced by Gentiles (non-Jews). There is absolutely no teaching about this doctrine of the Aaronic priesthood being practiced by Gentiles in the Old or New Testaments.
Furthermore, the Aaronic priesthood was done away with through Christ as the final priest (Heb. 7:11-12) who fulfilled the Law as the eternal Priest (Heb. 7:11-28; 8:6-7ff). The Old Testament priests were mediators, but now Jesus is the only Mediator between men and God (1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 7:24-25; Jn. 14:6). Therefore, there is no need for this Aaronic priesthood authority today. Finally, the High Priest in the Old Testament would enter the holy of holies once a year to make a sacrifice for sins of himself and others (Ex. 30:10; Heb. 9:7, 19-22). However, Jesus completed the work of salvation by being the High Priest and the sacrifice (Heb. 3:1; 9:11-12, 25-26)! Since Christ's work is finished (John 19:30), there is no need for a High Priest on this earth. Christ is the only mediator and High Priest in heaven (1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 8:1-6).
Melchizedek Priesthood
Second, there is absolutely no mention in the entire Bible about a special class of Melchizedek priests. Melchizedek is mentioned briefly in the Old Testament in two places (Gen. 14:18-20 and Ps. 110:1). In Genesis 14, Melchizedek is a king and priest who blesses Abraham and to whom Abraham gives tithes. Psalm 110, a royal Messianic Psalm, applies this priesthood of Melchizedek to Jesus who is also a priest and king (cf. Matthew 22:44; 26:64; Mark 16:19; Heb. 5:5-6). However, nowhere in the Old or New Testaments do we see the practice of ordaining males to the office of the Melchizedek priesthood. Jesus alone is mentioned in the New Testament as a priest after the order of Melchizedek (Heb. 5:1-4ff).
The Priesthood of All Believers
Instead, the Bible teaches that all believers have priesthood authority (1 Peter 2:5, 9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6). Even in the Old Testament, the nation of Israel was to be a kingdom of priests (Ex. 19:5-6). However, Jesus is the unique High Priest (Heb. 7:23-8:13). Each believer has the authority to preach the Gospel, baptize, and govern the kingdom of God on this earth. It is not something that is limited to males who are above the age of 12 or 18.
Spot on!
So Many Words
Kwaku is absolutely brainwashed and I pray for his soul.
though AWESOME!!!
this could start troubles....
This kid is arrogant
Very arrogant!!!... that just shows that he doesn't have the truth.
Really? Interesting how you don’t find Dr. White’s constant appeal to his own authority... how many years he has studied, his “extensive” education, and on and on... arrogant.
Did you watch the full video?? I’ll give you a few highlights. He references thirty years of studying mormonism... tells Kwaku that he knows much more about Mormonism than he could possibly know about Mainstream Christianity. He references his formal theological education. He tells Kwaku that he was been writing books on the discussed topics before he was born. Shall I go on? It was literally cringe-worthy.
Noooo... Just pointing out the examples that you asked for. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you didn’t watch the whole 2.5 hour discussion because if you had, you would know what I was referring to.
The truth behind Jeff Durbin and James White :
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Mr lds eternity means eternity, you have the same lying spirit I have found in many lds.
Kwaku must had been reading reformed Egyptian version.
What a well spoken young man. It's sad that he's blinded by Mormonism. I've been in their chapels and even to the temple as a kid and my problem was I felt.... hollow. I didn't feel Jesus there. Something is there but it made my skin crawl. I thought it was in my head but no longer. I do believe it's a false religion. Jesus helped me to be brave and to walk away and I'm so grateful
Debating with a blasphemer? Share with him the gospel and let him decide, there is no reason to hear anything about the doctrine of demons that came from Joseph Smith and his ilk.
You guys got p-owned on the divine determinism = sovereignty mistake. That kid whooped on you so bad... that's why Dr. W had to say "I have studied this more than you" (and that means I am correct) fallacy. Even a child could see this as false. You also totally did not let him speak and then accused him of not listening, which is about as classy as sin. I loved Dr. Flowers video that showed how awful this kid made you guys look. You may want to delete all these videos. The "no purpose" if God didn't cause/ordain all evil is so utterly stupid, I can't believe you can get away with it.
8:50 "what do words mean" at this point hed be better off just repeating "hath God really said". Personally Id find the honesty refreshing.
The title says it All.
How is it that this video had a mormon ad?
Haha Latter-day Saint ads in this video. Dope!
Where's the rest of the debate?
Wow. Well the issue definitely with cults and false gospels is that they do not see scripture (Genesis-Revelation) as a closed canon. And they neglect the understanding as to why its so important to understand it as such. Even within the church this is issue in charismatic groups.
What is the symbol on the mic ???
It's a triquetra.
where is the rest ?
Kwaku is a smart dude but it seems there is some humility that is lacking here in this segment on his part
In the beginning he's all grumbling and groaning over this absolutely undeniable argument Jeff is expounding
That blindness in Kwaku thinking he understands text that he has never read himself. Lost individual. Fake smile, fake sincerity, real lust for power.
Jeff done his homework and has shown Kwaku the error in Joseph Smith teachings of the Book of Mormon and his church and Kwaku dont want to admit it’s true the real God of the Bible is the real truth Kwaku is also being very rude and disrespectful that’s not the spirit of love sadly most Mormons are like that you show them the truth and get very defensive so sad.
It’s so frustrating how he rejects the truth even though it’s right in front of his face
Thank God we're not created beings then, but actual children of a loving Father.
We are created beings.we only become His children via adoption thru our faith in Christ,those who reject Him are not His children.
no matter what,he will never agree,Mormons are like that.
Never seen James white quiet for so long...dang near 6 minutes
Jeff has an Alienware laptop, my man... nice!
I was really curious to see what the kid had to say. It’s unfortunate that the 2 gentleman on the left were too afraid to let him get more than a couple words in before they cut him off
Is it 2 vs 1?
6:23 just proof that this kid doesn't want to believe the lie he is caught up in, so he is going argue around it
i have tried to listen to quackoo 6 times. this time at .52 seconds into the video i stopped and could not continue. when he says the god of mormonism and christianity are the same god. it's just too much.
As much as I love Dr. White and Jeff I think that it is fruitless to argue with non believers in this way because it is trying to showing a logical arguement showing Christ as Truth when we know by scripture it is foolishness to the unbeliever and it is only the preaching of the WORD that can change the heart of someone like this young Mormon you cannot out think him or present him with an arguement that will make enough sense that it will win him to faith in the true Christ. It says we are to give a defense for the hope that is in us and I applaud you both because you did another masterful job of being humble and giving a sobering logical response to Kwaku but it is the fragrance of death to those who are not saved.
Must the WORD be quoted, or explained?
The end, "polytheistic system where gods are born from other gods" and kwaiku still insists on the thing he is saying, hahahaha come on broooo
Every time I watch this young Mormon kid debate, he tries to steam roll everyone he's talking to as soon as he's backed into a corner as if him not allowing someone else to talk will equal victory in his defense..
There is a major area Kwaku is having trouble understanding. Yes hyperbole was used in writings during that prior in Middle Eastern regions. However here is a good example of what he is missing.
Each of the plagues in Exodus was an attack on specific Egyptian gods (Hapi, Heket, Geb, etc.). Each plague challenged what Egyptians believed each god had control over. What the plagues showed was the mighty power of God over all 10 plagues. As each plague happens, each plague is countered with a minute amount of power compared to God’s almighty power, with final plagues having no response from Egyptian gods. Pretty much he is showing they worship 10 gods that can barely do what you worship them to do, while God can do all 10 with incredibly more power.
Kwaku, you fail to see who God is. God often challenged other peoples gods through his prophets to show his infinite power. That he can do anything for why a different god was being worshiped to the ultimate. He wasn’t even created like these gods. So he showed time and time again he is a God of infinite power, the ultimate creator, has no beginning or end. While other near eastern cultures spoke in hyperbole to build up their gods, similar hyperbole was used in the Hebrew Old Testament to show that He actually is the hyperbole. This is what your missing.
I watched the whole debate and although interesting i found it so painful listening to Kwaku. He was trying to be like Dr James and Jeff with his dialogue but without the Grace and knowledge and unfortunately didn't answer the questions most of the time. His tactics were very much smoke and mirrors and evade the answers, this he did very well. For such a young man I found him very disrespectful of both Jeff and Dr White. It was like listening to an ill informed student trying to correct his lecturers on a subject that he didn't know much about.
If you ever watch the Three Mormons, This kid is the loudest and talks the most. The Mormon Hierarchy loves him and funds the program they are on! Over a $100,000 a year. Does it look as if his mind is controlled? No doubt in my mind!
Right so I’m a Christian and I don’t have time to be eloquent. A bunch of people in these comments are completely dismissive and seem to be the kind of Christians who don’t have their views tested as often as enforced. That’s fine. But don’t blame the kid for having doubts. If he met anyone in this comment section, he’d have a reason to doubt. Telling lies and insulting or outright belittling this guy is not the way to help people find God. He made a good point: after a 3-5 minutes rant from the first Christian, he opened his mouth for 5 seconds. In fact, they didn’t ever let him finish a point and wouldn’t stop talking until each point they made was finished entirely. It’s hypocrisy, it’s rude, it’s the opposite of grace, and it might get clicks here but I doubt our father is looking down saying “yeah, that was handled well”
You should do a little researching on that triangular symbol that’s on your wall there. If you know where it comes from and what it symbolizes, you might not want it on your wall.
It’s a shame that White and Durbin don’t use a presuppositional defense of the faith and an exposing of the internal foolishness of his worldview. When you debate text you’re stooping down to exegetical evidentialism. Each side is simply going to reinterpret the texts of their opponents according to their worldview and presuppositions and ultimately it goes nowhere. You must expose their presuppositions
What would you have said?
What would you have said? Like who created the universe?
This kwaku guy really can't read Scripture for what it actually says.
He's actually mire well read than both the Bible thumpers are.